Budget & Finance Committee - Regular Meeting

Okay, it is June the 17th, 5:00. This is budget and finance. Uh, call the meeting to order. We have taken role in recorded attendance. Uh, before we approve the agenda, I have somebody who wants to move the budget amendments up under public comments. I'd like to make that motion. Okay, I'll second. Okay, a motion and a second. All those in favor for uh the agenda change. I Okay. All right. With that change, I'd take a motion to approve the agenda. Motion to approve agenda as amended. Jones as amended. Second. Second by Roger. Any discussion? All those in favor by I. I. Okay. And public comment. and they want you at the podium. All right. I'm try to keep the comments down about two minutes. Okay. So, seven minutes, right? All right. First, I'm not here in any capacity as Manchester Police Department. I'm just still on duty and I can't get off till 6. So, this starts at 5. Um, I've watched the budget and finance committee at home uh live stream after I got off work and the sheriff and his came in and made a very compelling argument that they need to be paid. I don't think anybody at this table believes that they shouldn't be. Um, and that we're going to do everything we can to get them paid. After the 10 or 10 cent property tax was agreed and was to be sent to the full commission, I'm sure we all got phone calls or emails or something like that. We don't want property taxes this, that, and the other. Am I for property tax increase? Absolutely not. However, Carl 515. I can tell you as a police officer and for the city, again, I'm not representing the city. I'm representing me as a as a citizen of the county. What I make with the city is it it pays my

bills, but I still have to have a second job also. And to hear the sheriff's guys say that they have to have three and four jobs and they're delivering groceries and and whatever to make ends meet, that hits home. I've also missed ball games and anniversaries and Christmas and stuff trying to to work to feed my kids. So, I did a little bit of rough math. Uh, and I've talked to others and the sheriff has 17 road deputies. That's no rank, just a road guy making 1931 an hour. To make put them comparable to what Manchester or Taho makes, they need a 20% raise. Period. They need 20%. That would put them at $23.17 an hour. That would keep them competitive with Manchester and Toma. That way, once the budget's passed, he's not going to have 19 guys, 17 guys going looking for other jobs because the county is not going to support them. They're not going to pay him. Um, so that's $393,89. $890. That's a 20% raise that they've got to have. Nobody wants property tax. So, this is my proposal. Take it, leave it, laugh me out of the room. I'm This is my proposal. I hate to use the word tax, but let's implement a will tax per vehicle. The Tennessee Department of Revenue says Coffee County has 55,000 registered cars in this county. At $20 a car, that generates $1.1 million. that gives the sheriff the raises he needs and any other county employee that is behind the times. Mr. Hirschman brought up a point in the last county commission when I said take money out of the out of the the the fund. We can't sustain it and we can.

But if you do a will tax and you put a time limit on it, that sustains the raises plus a little bit extra more money until the commission can find a revenue stream to take the take the place of it. My proposal is a fiveyear wheel tax, $20 per car. That's and if this is based on 55,000. I got a number today that says there's 70,487 cars registered in Coffee County. If you do a $10 wheel tax on that, that's 74,000. If you do a $20 wheel tax, that's 1.4 million. That's plenty of money for raises. It doesn't put us in the red. We don't have to dip into the fund balance to pay for raises, and we're good. That's that's my opinion. However, they need raises. Everybody in here wants to take care of their county employees. I ran on the fact that I wanted to get raises for the guys. I was tired of seeing Coffee County being around Robin with employees. Perfect. I'm a police officer. Obviously, I'm wearing the uniform. I work for the city. I get the fact that the sheriff hires them. He trains them. He sends them to school. Teleoma calls or Manchester calls and says, "Hey, we're going to give you $23 an hour to come work for us." And now he's back to round one trying to find somebody either in the jail or a 19 or 20 year old kid, 21 year old trying to find a job. And then he has to send them back to school. I get it. I campaigned on it. We get We hire them, we train them, and then we send them somewhere else to make more money. When When is it going to stop? At this rate, it's going to. It's got to. I don't even want to bring up benefits. We can attack benefits later. Right now, we're worried about payraises. So, as I said, my proposal, y'all do whatever you want with it. I'm basing this on 55,000 cars. There are some stipulations. I talked to the

mayor. I'm going to throw you out of the bus here. He owns nine cars. Do I think that that is fair to him to have to pay $20 for all nine of his cars a piece? Absolutely not. My proposal would be the $20 per car and limit it to four cars per household. That way, the mayor's not paying an extra $20 per car. the farmer who has maybe 15 or 20 registered vehicles from semiis to farm trucks. It's not fair to them either. Y'all work it out. If you, like I said, if you want to laugh me out of the room, that's fine. But my proposal would be for five years, $20 a car, limit it to four cars per household. It's a fairest tax. It hits every single body in the county. Every person that has a registered vehicle in Coffee County will pay this. Most people live in rented homes. They don't pay property taxes. The homeowner pays property taxes, but the person living in that home does not. In this particular case, if they live in a rented home, they're still paying a tax for better term in Coffee County. You can go to other counties and beat it. I'm sure you can. Lake County, beat the property tax. Okay. property taxes forever. This is a five-year term and it disappears. A will tax has to be approved by the twothirds county commission on two regular county commission meetings. Twothirds vote. It can pass this month and fail next month and then we're right back to square one. If you pass a 20% pre uh 20 cent property tax increase, it's here until your great grandkids take it and then whatever increase comes after that. Mr. Hirshman wanted a 10 a 10 cent. I understood today that there was a 20 cent idea fixing to be floated around. There's a 10 cents is 10 cents. Get property taxes in Coffee County hadn't went up in 14 years. Are we do? Sure.

I'll be the first one to tell you that. I don't care if I get reelected or not. I got elected from this one by the skin of my teeth. Doesn't bother me at all if I don't get reelected. And that's if I decide to run again. But I'm going to tell you this. I stand behind it now and I'll stand behind it tomorrow. Every county employee deserves a fair living wage. In 1931 an hour, working for the sheriff's department, working 10 and 12 hours a day with a gun in your face. I wouldn't do it. Respect Chad to death. Respect Frank to death. But I'd go in their office and put my stuff on their desk and tell you I'm going somewhere else because I know I can make more money somewhere else. Thank you. I'm done. Okay. Uh if you've looked at the minutes, I entertain a motion to Approve the minutes. Motion to approve. Motion by Miss Jones. Second. Second by Stubblefield. Okay. Any kind of changes or updates? Okay. All those in favor by I. I. Okay. Mariana's not here, but budget amendments. I think April has some. Oh yeah. All right. Well, we still need one over here, though. Okay. I skip you. Well, we thought there was two, but it really would.

budget amendment 141 202521. This is a required entry that we make for the state department. um state department pays for our juvenile detention center students and our ACT testing. So this is just an entry that's required um to make both the revenue and expenditure side. This is for to um suffice the controllers's office and it does not affect fund balance. Do you want me to do them individually or Yeah, we'll just There's three of them. Correct. That's correct. Do you want to vote on or do them all together and then vote or do you want to do them separately? We can just vote on this one if anybody has any discussion or first of all I need approval. I'll make a motion. Stofield makes a motion. Second. Hman makes a second. Any questions or discussion? All those in favor by I. I. Chair abstains. 22. Yes ma'am. 141 202522. This is just some cleanup items um to um for our budget. We need to increase our retirey dental vision line. Um, we purchased some software and then we need to increase our capital projects for the summer. Um, this does not affect fund balance. Okay, I'll make a motion to approve. Tina makes a motion. Second. Second by Stelfield. Any questions or discussions? This is on 22-22. All those in favor by I. Chair. Chair abstains. 141 2022 25523. This is the budget amendment for our new um salary and benefits for our new director of schools. Um this also does not um affect fund balance. Okay. This is just for June should add for one

month. Okay. Salary. This is for who? The new director of schools. The new director Mr. Hark. Motion approve. Motion to approve by St. Phil. I second the motion. Got a second by Lauren Nettles. Any discussion? All those in favor by I. I. Any opposed? No chair abstains. Okay. Thank you. All right. You're here. Oh, we have Alan Ley. Yep. He's the first one, I guess. Sorry. Actually don't have a handout. I'm sorry. Oh. Do you guys have my budget amendment? Was it sent too? Anyway, um so we are $1,200 over on overtime. We're $200 over on part-time. So, we're asking to move $1,200 from one of our other line items, uh, I believe it's travel, if I'm thinking correctly, uh, to that overtime line item, and we're asking to move $200, I believe, from maintenance and repair up to that part-time line item, which should even

us out. Okay, I'm gonna read it. I have the numbers here. Good. Uh the request increase is for 54410-169 of $270 to increase that line item. The decrease is going to 54410-338 reduced reduction of $270. So that's even there. The next one is the $1,200 of overtime uh being increased which is 54410-187 and it is being transferred out of 54410 355 and they both are equal. So entertain that sounds correct. Anybody wants to do that? I'll make a motion. Okay. By Tim Brown second. Second by Stfield. Any discussion? All those in favor by I. Any opposed? Okay. Squared. Thank you. Yes, sir. Thank you. Give me time. That's all right. Top one is I just revised the Sorry. Not really. Okay. The top one we I added uh the matching share to it. That one for the ambulance fund because I got a 10 care request in or we have to make a payment to get some money back. So I went ahead and added it in so I could go ahead and pay it this year because they take forever to process it. So, I added the third one down where it says matching share 16,792.

So, that brought the um fund balance. Yes. Let's see. Increase at 60,223. the new adjusted fund balance 2,27,850. So that lowered it a little bit for that payment. Those don't always they're on a different time period than we are and they don't always match the revenue and the expenditure. So the next one this is the general fund the long four page The first section is um in um reductions in expenditures and then increases to fund balance andor uh committed funds. At the bottom of the second page, you can see all of those add 59916. Um just most of it just trying to get the a lot of the benefits you know I have to budget transfers now it's involves anything that's a salary item which is 101 to 210 I have to do a formal budget amendment that's why Allan needed to come and do his because he was transferring salary lines so that's what all those are you know Um, let's see here. And then just the general, but those, like I said, the top the two

pages on the top are decreases to expenditures and then the last two are increases. So, they're just like transfers. Okay. I'm not trying to think if I have anything odd. The third page as usual, you know, county buildings, we always worry about maintenance and repair of the jail. Mostly that's HBAC. Let's see here. So, by doing all this, by cleaning up, you there's $386,000 going over to the fund balance. Yes, that is the increase. Okay. To the fund balance. See, something unusual. What? I can't remember. Nothing really nothing jumps out there. Nothing jumps big. County buildings maintenance repair 20,000. That's just always be safe just in case, you know, we may not spend it. Anybody questions on that one? You want us to vote on all three of them together, y'all? There's one more at the end. Okay. Capital projects. This one is

This is for the animal shelter. I went ahead and did this one because when I close out the year, this fund balance is going to be higher, but I wanted it noted that we were going to use this, it was noted somewhere in one of our meetings, we were going to use the sale of our museum property to fund the rest of the ambulance uh animal shelter. So, I wanted to go ahead and just put that, you know, formal amendment in writing. Um, so that's 1,442,000. Yes. Okay. That's that's everything. The contractor, the engineer, everything. Okay. I've entertained a motion to approve all three of them. I'll make a motion. Motion by Brown. I'll second it. Second by Mr. Reid. Any discussions, questions, or comments? I got a question. Marian, you got animal shelter at a million 442. Yes, it's actually the contract is actually like 1.8, but I had already 1,794 before extra. That's the uh addendum. There's one addendum that was added in. Um, it's like 70. Brought it up to like one 18 something 1.8. I went ahead and added in the addendum in case we didn't need it. So, it was there. And then I already had like 475,000 budgeted originally, so I just added that to it because at the time we weren't sure what it was going to be. I would like take the opportunity to uh

say that the uh private donors that we were waiting on did uh we did re receive a check Monday. So the uh the way I remember it, we have $1,250,000 right now assigned to that project. Right? So just so everybody knows. Okay. This was an anonymous donor. The 250,000 like 500 was anonymous. That's nice. Okay. Any more discussion on the three amendments? All those in favor by I. I. All right. Now, any new news on the budget? I got to add any more asked for this. So everybody in it keepbody have a copy. It's the same one. Different than the other one you had. This should be dated June 17th. You want the one 17th? It's got some different numbers on it, but this does not have the pay increase with it. Okay. So still have the estimated fund balance

June 30th 2025 the 10 million 983 915 and then this adds in the 10 cents tax increase that was added at the last meeting. So that brings revenues up to 30,443,028 and then expenditures um 31,52 31 million52,889. So that brings the fund balance to $69,861 as a um still negative. So what that was, it only has the 5% uh salary increase in there. took out the two took out the 50,000 of the sheriff's budget capital projects. Um some larger items took out the um enterprise lease payments. I can make those over in the general debt service. added back the 450 for the um deputies because when he was talking about the SRO, there's a different way of funding that not reducing salaries like that. And then um [Music] I think it may still be in there. What's that? What's that? the volunteer fire department CO pro smoke detector program 250,000 that's over in rural capital projects that won't help though it's not in the it's not in the general fund so the only thing that's in there is the

normal contribution to the volunteer fire departments the 500,000 and I can tell you where that's at in a minute So believe that's everything. So that's what I had. That leaves the fund balance are restricted and committed and are unassigned detailed down there in the bottom. 2,374,054. And I went ahead and left the salary increases things in there. Okay. So at 609 that's got 5% in it already. Yes. Okay. I have a question, Mariana. The estimated revenues for 2026. Did I hear you say that includes the 10 cent property tax? It's on revenues. Yes. 30 million 443. Yes. You you used the 10 cent increase to come up with that number. Okay. He has a question that I don't have an answer for and a sort of interesting question. the uh current property tax of $755,000 paid to general debt service. Does that have to go in there every year? Sorry. You talking about the five cents or whatever it is, right? Because of the current property tax. No,

you can reduce it. Well, he was just saying that there's $14 million down here. I know. Yeah, I give it. No, you just make that zero and you take the whatever. Could it be used for the general fund for a year? That's all in the uniform tax rate. Any of those we can use for one year or something. The $14 million, what do we we pay down debt with that the bonds and stuff? Yes. I think I think I added I'm going to add in the enterprise leases. So that'll be a little bit of a So that would drop it a little bit. Yeah. $300,000. I'm not sure off the off of the general debt service. Yes. Okay. And the expenditure side, I added it. I don't think I brought a new copy, but Yeah, you can you can reduce any of those. Mr. Chambers, would you please share that information with I do want to say your fellow commissioners? Yeah. Uh we we can use what we pay for debt as a credit when we pay for the tiff program, the new one that's going to be starting in a couple years. I don't think it be well that I don't think it's going to be starting right next year, is it? Okay. So, I don't think they're planning on starting until fall. So, if you put it zero, you can't use that. Oh, okay. So, you'd have you'd have to have money there to pay for the tiff money coming back. What you pay on debt service is a credit from what that actual check we write and pay to the um area, whatever it's called. That's what I'm saying. Whatever your

pennies are, use that accredit in the calculation as to what you pay back on the tiff. What it is is um the uh line 151 fund 151 in our packet that Marian has given us. It is the uh revenues and expenditures that are available. Um we're putting in 755 uh,000 into it. It already has a balance of 14 million in it. And I was just making a suggestion of what line item you first It's page 31. It's 40110. Page 31. 31 book. 31 in our book. Yes. You with me? Almost nearly $14 million. I'm getting balance in that category. And uh what I'm looking at is the uh input that we're putting into it of 755 and to reduce that number for a year or two, whatever might come recommended by our so you want to reduce it. Where do you want to put it at? and to take care of put it in the general fund to knock down this amount that we have

four and a half cents general debt pennies uniform tax rate make that zero and move it down to $755,000. Yeah, that's a good fine. But you would have to have money there next year also to help pay that tip back. Correct. That's correct. You don't have to, but that is a credit you can take on your on the tip because you're going to take the growth and then whatever the growth is from the year you started to the year goes up to pay them the difference. You write a check back to the P AEDC. Every year you write a check back I'm just saying though, but there is a credit allowed for any debt that you pay. So, you get that four and a half cents. I just want to note that that we just wouldn't get it. Probably be able to use the credit next year if you put it at zero. Obviously, it's at zero then can't use the credit. So, would we lose there or you just have to pay the tiff out of something else? No, you still pay the tiff out of general fund, but you get a credit for whatever you pay in um debt service. Okay, that four and a half cents on whatever property we're looking at. I just want to point that out. Um so when it we don't have it, then we do have it, whatever. But yeah, you can move it, but it wouldn't cost us any more money. No, no. No, you would just want to have the current taxes going in there. You don't only have the delinquent and all that. That's a suggestion. But anyway,

okay. To me, I'm on this worksheet. She handed out this one right here. It already has the 10 cent tax increase in it as the revenue side. This is the sheet that ran that is handed out. It already states and this is with a 5% increase for our employees. We would be 6,000 $69,861 in the red. If you jump it to 7% straight across it would be we would be in the deficit of 917,492 and that's 7% on a 10-cent tax increase. And if you take Mr. Chambers 755,000 and drop that out of there, you're under 200,000 in the hole. You're 162,492. Uh the 10 cents off of it. Yeah. You write this down. 162 492 30 430

Uh, right at 2 5 million in the hole without the 10 seats. 136. I'd like to say something. I know um we've been talking about the the raises and and everything and I know nobody nobody wants property tax. Nobody wants tax increases at all. But um and everybody I wish everybody could get raises, but I I do want to say that I I think that the certified deputies, the certified officers, I'd like to see them go to a $3 raise along with a 5% for everybody else to get them where they need to be. like just, you know, just the certified officers. Is that the 17 of them? 72. Uh, no. I think there's more than 17 that are certified. How uh how much are they? 52. 52. Oh, I didn't know there was 52 officers saying 17. No, we're just talking about deputies. Mr. Chairman, could we ask the sheriff or his representative to tell us exactly what it would take? Yep. For parody with

the city police departments, what do we need to What do we need to do that will bring you even? Well, to bring them, can I say something real quick before you start, Frank? Yes, sir. just to bring them even with um Bedford County is at $25 an hour starting pay and we're at 194 40 starting out. So that's I think that's unrealistic. Okay. Manchester City Police is 2333. Franklin County is 2386. Um and is at 20. Let's see. I've got that here. 2304. 2304. Yes. Thank you. 2304. If If we gave them $3 an hour and and I'm talking about um all the deputies, the ones that in that line item. Yeah. That'll put them at 2240. Is that quite kind of right? That would be a starting deputy. That'd be a starting deputy. If you're going to have a starting deputy at 2240, I I think it that's doable. But if they're going to leave for a dollar, they're going to leave for a dollar. Um I don't think they're going to leave very far, but it's then it gets down to, you know, if they if they want to work in Coffee County, they want to work in Coffee County. If they don't want to work in Coffee County, they're going to leave for whatever they reason they want to leave. But I agree with the $3 an hour for the the the ones that are running the the roads. And I know there's more, Frank, that do run that. And you go ahead and speak. Sorry, I didn't want to interrupt you. No, you're fine. And you're based on road deputies. Yes. Which is 22 spots. Is that correct? We

don't have them all filled right now, but 26 if you count the road sergeants. Yeah, if you count the road sergeants would be 26, but I was just counting. So, if you give $3 a raise, that means you're going to have a couple of road sergeants that's going to make $30 and a couple make $28. My detectives range anywhere from 2205 Yeah. to $26. So, you're going to have road sergeants. Our positions are based on tiers, basically a rank. And if you just give $3 to the road people, you're gonna have you're gonna have investigators who's going to say, "I want to go back to the road. I don't want to put up with a case load for $23 an hour. I'll just go answer calls and hand them off. You can get somebody else to do it." These are tiered based on responsibility and or seniority. So if you mess up those tiers, you're going to overshadow the lower guys to the guys who've been there a while because you don't make detective one year out of the academy. You've got years of experience. Yeah. You've got things like that that that tenure you to become a detective. You you don't just get somebody a year out of the academy and say, "Here's a detective." Not in our not in our department anyway. You might some rinky dinking town, but not ours. So, if you don't tear it up, and let me tell y'all something. I don't care about me. I I don't I I don't care. Sheriff can argue about that, but I'm not going to sit here and argue about it. Those guys that go out here and work every day. Look, I started at 425 an hour in 1993, and I was grateful to get it, and I'm grateful for every penny y'all give us. But to ask somebody this day and time to go out here and put on this badge and uniform and go answer calls and knock on a door and don't know

if you're going to come in to your family or not for less than $25 an hour. To me, that's horse crap. And I don't care what town. If I got a teacher who says that, hey, legislation says they've got to make $50,000 a year. They ain't no better than us. That might get some booze, but they're not. We do a job, too. And for $25 an hour, I would I, you know, I'm thankful to do it and I'm grateful to have a job. But if we did, if you don't if you don't three it up, you're going to have some folks that's going to be well out of line. If you How many people would it have to be to be three to keep your tier steps? There's 52 certified slots. And if you did $3, now this is raw numbers. Mariana does all the taxes and stuff, but you would go up $289,914 off of what year last year's payroll would be. Are you saying 289,000 fixes it? $289,000 gives you a $3 raise across the board for every certified go out and answer a call deputy that has the potential to go out and answer a call. All tiers. All tiers. All tiers. And does that does the tiered positions uh equal in the two municipalities? Are you looking at all of those? If you want tele I did not get Manchester now. You won't tell a homeless tier. If you want to tier, that is uh $396,300.94 to the equitable tiers of what they have compared to what we have. Say again. Tahas, if you did it off

their salary schedule, which I have a copy of, based on our tiers, you're looking at $396,300.94 of raw numbers before taxes and benefits are tacked on. Their their patrolman as of July 1 will start out at $24.7 an hour. Their SRO's 2314. Sergeants on patrol will make 2851 an hour. Investigations start out at 2151 an hour. Their lieutenant 3513 an hour. The assistant chief 4040 an hour. and the chief will go up to $4646 an hour if he made if the first three the lieutenants and above are exempt from overtime. The lieutenant salary will be $73,75 assists assistant chief $84,36 and the chief will make $96,642. So, in your opinion, 350 400,000 will fix this revolving door problem that we have right now. Our problem, Mayor, yes, it would. And I say that because ours is, we all know what's going to happen, mayor, is we're eating oursel. We're the picture of the snake eating its own tail. As one department gets a raise, the next department fights and gets a raise, and then the next department fights and gets a raise, and it keeps going over and over and over again. There's going to have to be a limit to where law enforcement in Coffee County reaches a threshold. We can't keep beating oursel against

each other to try to compete. It's one thing to compete for a new officer coming in, but it's another thing to compete for a seasoned officer and drag them with all the time, seniority, and training that you put into it over to another department because guess what? They go over to a new department, you don't have to pay for that. You didn't pay for it. We did if they come from us. If they go to Manchester home and tell home and Manchester citizens didn't have to pay for that, all that training and experience, they got it for free. I personally would like to see this issue fixed. Uh the 10 cent proposal raises $1.6 million. Correct, crew? He's saying a fourth of that could fix the problem. I would like to state while I got everybody's attention, wheel tax is not a bad idea. What I don't like about it is it takes two commission meetings to do it. And people uh they have a problem with that. The people that don't own a house that are renting it, they're paying property tax. Sure. The the uh the land owner, the landlord owns the property. He's paying the property tax. It's figured into the rent. So, as Benton said, you know, I I it expires in five years. I Googled it. There's only been one Tennessee county that ever ended a wheel tax. Once it's in place, it's there. It's really no different than the property tax in my opinion. So, uh, having said that, uh, the 10 cents that was proposed does a lot of good fixing the problems. Um, we just got to address them. That's what I think.

When you look at the revenue for this this snapshot, she sent It brings us up to $30,44328. Still puts us in the hole. 609,000. And that's just 5% across the board right there. To recoup that back, you would have to cut out everybody's pay raise. And then well, you'd have 300 400,000. You'd have 20 $9,000 to spend on employee raises. You'd still be 600,000 in the hole if it takes 400,000 to fix his. Not if we took Roger 755,000. Y'all have any more questions? I don't. I mean, I'll keep handing up. I think I got a question. So the the 609 861, but this is also a 10% property tax increase, too. This is still including a 10% property tax. 10 cents. 10 cents. Excuse me. 10 pennies. And if you give 5% raise right now that we're doing and he needs $400,000, which is going to make it a million dollar and you take Roger $755 off of there, that's $245,000 will be in after a 10 cent property tax increase and taking the 755 from the general debt service. Am I right? Yes. Okay. But that eventually that's going to have to go back in there

because that's paying down bonds. This is like a a band-aid with a life preserver wipers one time thing or two. Well, you might be able to do it two years, but I mean you've got to keep that debt service up there because the jail's got to be paid off. Uh there'll be payments on this building probably. What else will we owe on bonds? There's bonds out older than I'll be here. None of us will be here when somebody's bonds paid off. There's 14 million in here outside is the train which pay that off by the way next year. Okay. That's something that needs to be considered next year to pay that train off. Yeah. Yeah. That's in my notes. That'll be just something to come up next year during discussion. Yeah. Well, there's some other debts that's being paid off too. Ain't that being paid off eventually? You can't pay it all at once. They have to be in rotation so many months and then you can pay it. The older ones it's so they don't need to be anymore. let them cycle out and as they become where you can pay out whatever the balance is, you can do that. It'll take a couple years though. Frank, one more question. $400,000 should cover that. 393 393 64400,000. No. Well, that includes you said 56 $3 an hour, right? 56 you might as well take that number 25%. So no, the first number Mariana was just

given $3 when mayor asked about Toma to fixing it and getting us because right now you know Toma there's only a few cents difference and since I could not get Manchester's the raw number between last year's budget and the budget that would have the step in tears there's a difference of $396,300. 396. What? 300. Yeah. The first number of 289 was just a $3 raise across the board. But this was adjusting for this the positions and everything. What tele's got how theirs is broke down, which some of ours are lacking. I've got a comment. We've got other problems. Other departments got problems other than the sheriff's department. We got clerks. I got some numbers here. We got clerks that still make 1568 an hour. And the janitor I asked about the other day. Everybody thought they made 18. They make 1581. There's two there's two others. And then the convenience center workers is still at 1573. So, I think we still got a lot of problems to fix. I have a comment as well. We're working forward with these numbers that we're getting, assuming that the full commission is going to vote for a 10 cent property. So, we in my opinion need to have probably a contingency plan as backup. Either way, let let her figure up what this is going to cost and we'll go. Oh, I'm sorry.

446, 432. 446. Yes. 432. Okay. 446 432. And I've got a question. A lot of people ask, how much money does the county actually have? a total number in CDs and general fund. No, all those CDs, investments, they all belong funds of the county. Yeah. But look at a point in time. If you look at cash versus budgetary, you're not looking at the same thing. That's what gets confusing. When I give y'all that cash flow that I put in the agenda packet for the commission, that's cash. And you have to remember you're budgeting all this. So that's two separate things. But whatever, you know, whatever the cash balances actually are, that's not what your fund balance is. Yeah, I know that. But I want to make that clear because there's no rainy day. You can't cash out CDs and put it in a fund because they all belong to a fund. Yeah. But people's ask what amounts do we have? End of May you have about $87 million. Okay. A fund that belongs to city property taxes goes to schools. Some of it goes to sales tax that goes back to the schools. You got to Manchester in there that is paid back when that monthly check comes in from the So those are all kept in a separate fund, you know, so you can see the in and out. So that's and yes, so we and I'm not arguing with you. I'm just so everybody understand they keep

saying we have so questions I've been asked. So we don't have the money to pay the 7% pay raise and a 0 cent tax and still come out all okay general fun 200 million in a hole. Yeah. In a way will be 200 million in a hole. And you'll be 200 million plus in the hole. I don't I I can't figure that out. Well, so if if we if we give everybody a 7% pay raise and and zero on the taxes, we're going to be 200 million in the hole. You're going to be over 200 million in the hole. Am I not correct? Yep. Thank you. I in well when you add somebody I didn't see that the snapshot from two or three weeks ago we were 2002 2,85,219 and that does that does not include the pay raise 2 million okay two million you said 200 million 2 million I meant 2 million but that does not have the pay raise when you add when you add the pay raise if you want to give them 7% that play with no tax increase. Okay. You're going to be at a at 3 million 150. Yeah. If you do that, if you want the 7%, it'll go up to 3 million. Okay. What she did a while ago, what Frank did talked about and everything else. I added those together. It came up to a million dollar1,56,000. I took away Roger 755,000. left us with 301 still in the hole with a 10 cent tax increase. Still leaves us 301 in the hole. So is that what you're recommending? A 10 cent tax increase. So you say no like I do. Okay. So I think we can go 300 million in the red because we'll come up with the money in the

three million. Three million in the red. We tried 2.1 last year and we're still $952,000 in ho. But with the growth in Coffee County, I just I just can't see it. Okay. You figure up a house is probably going to generate $2,000 on property taxes at the most. Pretty good size. So that's 500 houses to generate a million. Am I right? That would be correct. All right. To generate three million. They're just in the county. Are you saying city? No, it would be county property taxes. You'd have to sell 00 new homes. Yeah. And to get to 3 million, you're going to have 1,500 houses. And I don't see that happening here for a I hope I'm dead. If they generate that many houses, how many houses we had built this year so far? I think it's close to 500. I don't think it's that many. I think two 300 at the most. I don't think it's that much, D. Yes, sir. Those houses don't come without cost. Yeah. Oh, yeah. And that's, you know, I've looked and looked and I have tried so hard to figure out a way to solve this problem and there's not. I don't think grown into it like some people say that growth is going to pay for it because growth does not cover the infrastructure that we have to pay for. Schools, roads, ambulances, police chiefs, the sheriff's department. All that comes at a cost to us. Marches had the idea of the impact fee that has to be set by the state of Tennessee. Rush Bricken and Senator Janice Bowlan would have to introduce that. And another thing about that is that's a one-time deal. It's not a reoccurring expense uh reoccurring revenue. You get that check one time from them and then to duty they're gone. You ask about another way besides this. Here's Mim again. Leave it at last year's budget. Add $500,000 to it.

Let me do some toodling again. Y'all go ahead. While you're doing your ciphering um some information from the trustee, there is there is uh an account with about $35 million in it. That's a fluid account. Our county spends $10 million per month. That's all departments. $10 million a month. That money has to be ready to be spent every month. But when it's not being spent, he has it in an account drawing 4.28% interest. So, it's it's a money that that that if you want to call it a fund balance or if you want to call there's many names you can put on it, whatever it is, it's a revenue generator the way it is right now. But it has to be there to pay the bills when the bills are due. And that's that's just one aspect that everybody has to think about if they hear these huge numbers sitting there. It's just not available to take. There's a reason. It sounds like we've crapped in our nest and ain't no way out of it. Well, here's county employees got to be paid. But here, everybody has to You can't go to the grocery store with $10 in your pocket now and come out with $12 worth of groceries. Everybody, including county government, county government is having to spend more on everything they do, just like all of our individual citizens. So, you know, it's it's just it's a reality, but we're not paying the county employees to catch up with the cost of living. I mean, the other ones suffered. Dwight

had a thing on the CPI index, didn't you? I Okay, we are up to cost of living for the past two years. Correct. We're above cost of living since I've been on the commission. Okay. And how long have you been on the commission? Is that state? Is that a state uh survey on that? Federal survey. Okay. Cost of living. Federal employees probably get a cost of living, but the county employees don't. Yeah. From the state. But not the low paid people. I know. The low paid people's got to be paid. They're not being paid. We got We got clerks been here for 20, 30 years. Still way underpaid. Probably new clerks make more than they do starting out. So this is how we take away the 52. My highest paid office and she should be She's dedicated her life to her to the service to the community. I just put that back. She's also dedicated.

Hey, she's answering y'all. She is paid higher than my starting. Thank you for clarifying that. Yes, ma'am. So, am I wrong on clerks making 15 something an hour? Not in my office. My starting pay is at 18. So, we I guess you're happy with the pay. I need to keep my mouth shut then. I I mean I do believe I believe that we do need to keep moving forward but in what I've done in the past years and what the commission has done for my office we've covered a lot of ground the past years so but I do believe we need to keep moving forward not backwards if insurance is going up then I do feel like backwards That's why I got to do that revenue without it's either you do that, it's either you do this, but the county health insurance for a family is $522 every two weeks. Yeah, you can afford a family. So, it takes half we the employee themselves benefit but the family, right? Sorry, I found it. And I will say I am also competing against attorney's offices, state offices, um you know, sometimes judges for employees. So, it it's a struggle because I can't compete with those type of basically that All right, Miss Dial. Yes, sir. I'm gonna give you this. Yes, sir.

All right. This is going back to last year's budget, adding a 7%, no, adding 5% pay raise straight across the board. And I'm gonna give you both ways. I'll give you both ways. 5% across the board. $400,000 to fix the sheriff's department pay, $500,000 added for extra expenses because we don't know what's coming due that will go up like contracts and everything else. Okay. Maintenance agreements and everything else. and I come up with 30,000 30 excuse me God I'm mighty 30 million 341,686 now going back to my sheet from two weeks ago with no tax increase our revenue is supposed to be 28 million49,000 yes sir okay So you're somewhere and you take you take Roger 755. Let me go back and do it again. 30 28 686 minus 28049 946. Okay. $2,291,000 is what you're short. So you're saying the revenue is 2800? Yes. Last year last year's this is this is projected revenue projected revenue for this year with no tax increase. This is what's projected to come in. I used the old sheet from

the other night. 280494. That's no tax increase. All right. It just seems like I thought that would be higher than that. Is that being conservative, Mar? Yes, it's conservative. Okay, that's a lot. Then you take Rogers. You take Roger $755,000. I give up. You take Rogers $755,000. It brings it to a million5 that we're short. Yeah. That's with no tax increase. goes back to last year's budget, gives the sheriff's what he needs, and it gives all employees 5%. And I know everybody needs more money, but you also have mom and dads out there, grandmas and grandpas who are living on a limited income who have no increase coming to them or maybe just the CPI who are taking care of grandchildren and everything else and their costs have gone up too. And I know they probably only live on a lot, but those are the other people that we have to think about, too. If this takes care of the sheriff's department, it stops the bleeding in one department. Then next year, we're going to have to stop the bleeding in another department because somebody's going to come up with a comparison with, okay, this is what Rutherford County is doing. I use Jenny as an example. What's Rutherford County doing down there or Bedford County or Tahoe City? It shouldn't be that we three compete, Manchester Teleah home and Coffee County for employees, but we do. Uh, but that's just something to throw out there. I mean, it's we're still a million5 short, but that's and that's also taking $755,000

out of this general debt service for a year or two until we could figure something else back out. That's just something that I mean, you ask for alternative to a tax. won't be short if you you won't be short if you keep the 10 cent. No, you won't be short if I I just don't know if there's enough ump in the commission to do a 10-centent property tax increase. We've got to have several choices until you show the people that we need this tax increase, and that's going to be with cuts to services and stuff. I mean, our federal government's cutting stuff right now. The national parks are closing down campsites. That's a repercussion of cutting money. Uh we could have repercussions here. I don't know what it could be, but it could be less services times that aren't open all the time. I mean, everybody just asked her what's a different alternative than other way. No, 800. Yes, sir. I'd like to see them. Yes, sir. Let Dwight Hey, let Dwight come speak at the podium. I'd like to see. Very smart man, sir. I don't know about that. Someone that's going to cut it in half, but that's close. That's doable. I like your idea, Roger. It sounds good. But when I came on the commission in 18, we owed about $82 million in debt. We worked real hard and we got it down to 60s something million pretty quickly. That interest will eat you up. Don't set it off and say we'll pay it later. And what happened in one big case was the commission a number of years ago put out a bond for 40 40 years for schools and they only wanted to pay principal the

last 10 years. They wanted to go 30 years or less, some close to that without paying any principal. That's just crazy. my my input and I'm not part of this committee but I'm going to vote and I think a 10 cent increase is kind of like a slap in the face and you either need it or you don't and I'm thinking maybe if we can do what we need to do and not do a increase this year and see what happens And and if it goes into uh fund balance, I say next year we hit it. That's just my two cents. Yeah, I agree. Mariana, when you say you were conservative, were you 20% conservative, 10%? I mean, we're down to that right now. We will not put a number on it. I promise. But we know it's conservative. Yes, ma'am. And she has been honest with us about that. I forgot I wasn't quite through. Commissioner Brown mentioned 12 tax. I'm greatly opposed. The other Brown, not me, against that. I lived in Der County for 20 years and they came along and they said, "We need money. The schools need it badly. If you'll give us $5 wheel tax, that'll take care of it. You know what's costing now? $155 instead of 50. Because once you do that, your legislature can do whatever they want without

twoirds or anything else. So I'm like Dennis, I got 12 cars and a motorcycle and a bunch of other stuff. That's That's not right. And it's like Dennis said, everybody's going to pay property tax whether you're renting or not. You can't get out of that, but you can get out of the wheel tax. You can go to another county. Exactly. Miss D, you were asking about was she conservative? She brought a budget amendment tonight to the table. Yes, sir. That puts $386,000 back into the general fund. So instead of it being $952,000 short at the end of the year, now it's already down to 500 something. So yeah, there is I mean it's some good good. Okay. Not quite. Good. Good. Good. Okay. In there. Okay. I was wrong. Thank you. It was just I'd like for them to have it. Well, I'd say if I would I would say if you had if you receive phone calls on the property tax at 10 cents. You think you you you haven't received phone calls until you do a wheel tax. Did we not do that? Yes, you did. We put on a referendum. And it and it and it and it got it got soundly defeated like three to one. That's what the tax that's what the voters say. Three to one. I didn't say it. I'm just the other Brown. That other Brown guy. Not me. John, did you get the other brown? and he wants to limit it to four per house when you got uh

10 10 guys living in the same house. That don't work. Okay. Anybody more questions or proposals? I would like to see this with the proposal you just said and the one so that we could see them side by side. All right. And take a look. I think Okay, we're going to do it right here. Okay. Can you make a snapshot like this with last year's budget? I know. saying you're not. I just want to put that up. You got you got too much. Yeah. Okay. It's not once you add in all the salary. Okay. I'm just saying. Okay. I think you would just end up put it all back in is what I'm trying to say. But I'm not y'all do well. I agree with you. And then back and then back on the original one when we when we were recapping it, Tim, I had made a note that said the grants are not even included in those numbers. Yes, that's everything. everything. I got that. It's all in there proposed as revenues because see if you look at the way in revenues how it's it'll say local taxes and it says fees and then you go there and it's got what comes in court system. Then there's some other fees in there and then you've got your state grant to the federal grant. So it's all tightened out but that's everything. I think she's talking about the fire department, the donations that

we make, the senior citizen. What? Whatever. That's what that is. She's talking because then we said that we expect grants from family court of $600,000. Yes. I mean, I'm just saying a note that's already in there. No one does. That's already in there in revenue. Okay. So, it's kind of um don't I won't that's comes in but that one I do know because it's five years and then got some other things. Yes, ma'am. Recurring I guess I should say which changes. So I put everything in there but it changes What I did was you add Is that all right? Yeah, I'm fine with the centies in there. Add in the 446 432 deputies. So my question is for the deputies, is that also including the 5% on top of that? Okay. Okay. I just want I just want to make sure. Okay. So, if you do all that, you end up balance 9,472 572. That's with the 10 cent taken out of general debt. Four and a half cents in. Okay. So, how much are we robbing out of the general the debt? 1.5 something

be doing that every year. on how much last year? 2.1 July. Yes, ma'am. So that would be we would be if we do no taxes gave the sheriff his money to do his deputies up to equalize the pay close to not equal but close. Everybody gets a 5% pay increase across correct every employee. And then Rogers 755,000 were taken out would be 1.9 in a hole somewhere in that area and we would stipulate that the 5% is had yes as previously discussed would go to the department head more than 5% hopefully less it would be split amongst their employees with the evaluation by the department head to be turned into the mayor of what they did. That won't be across the board. That's not across the board then. That just be well the 5% pay increase. Okay. Sorry. Yeah. 5% like last year. Sorry. Okay. To be distributed. Yes. What you said there. Can we just make that a motion? I will say this. I'm like Dwight. Okay. There's a disclaimer. Yeah. And there's always a disclaimer.

1.9 million balance but would be 9 million2600 million. That's what it is. And I'm going to be like Mr. Miller said a while ago, if this doesn't work next year, we're going to have to write department. I mean, it's just next year is going to be twice as hard. Reappraisal season. So, at least we've shown the citizenship that we've tried to do it and find it. I mean, if somebody else would like to run and and do the other way, I'm, you know, that's we can send anything to the floor you want to. So, the motion is no tax increase. This is off of no tax, no property tax increase. 446 or whatever that figure is to the sheriff's department to make them right. um 5% raise on um what we discussed employees employees with the department head doing the evaluations and 755 from general debt. Yes. Um to go to tack on to that and I wouldn't think that one year would be all I would really be have the stomach for. That's all I'm in for. Yeah. Yeah. That way we know if we Yeah. Cuz this is going to compound if it don't. Right. Oh yeah. It'll have to stop next year. Everybody has to go bleeding. The bleeding is that have to stop because when we get to 9 million that everybody's going to have to realize and and not last year's budget. Nope. This year's budget. This year's budget. Okay. Mhm. All right. That that's my motion. If you can get all that. Okay. This year. Got a motion by Stubblefield. I'll second it. And a second by Hman. Discussions. Anybody discussions? I think this is the right thing to do. I think we can go into the full commission next Tuesday night and like Tim said, we

can show that we have worked diligently to be fair and do what uh the best that we can with what we have and and I feel good about it. Thank you, Miss Mariana, for your hard work. I hope so. I'm sorry. Thank you, Tim, for pulling it together. on these same conversations. All right, we'll vote on this for the mayor speaks unless you got discussion on this. Yes, I would u I'd like to point out that uh I feel like we would probably got 10 votes to approve it with a 10 cent tax increase, but I think everybody is aware of what city is proposed. They're proposing a 20 cent property tax increase and I really feel sorry for those guys had we passed this. That means 30 cents on them. But I felt like it needed to be done to be fiscally responsible. But shoot everybody says it eat up that fund balance. Go ahead and eat it up. Then we'll figure out how to put it back later. Well, I think there needs to be a limit on what you do eat. I don't think it needs if we see next year that it doesn't it's not going to work. We can't keep I mean people that keep doing that wind up in jail because they write bad checks. Mhm. We're not physically taking care of business here. So, we're running down the fund balance until there's nothing left. That's not right. Uh especially for the kids who come after us. Uh, so that's my thing is next year if this doesn't if we can't figure out another way to to do the money, I I'll be you'll have my vote because we everybody's had a year to look. Uh, when you hear people out there say, "Hey, you ought to go back and look at the budget." That budget is online. It is online and there's there there's

if you can find fat in there. I would love to see it because it's like she said, we do have the money, but it's set in different parcels to be used different ways. Uh I just use the school budget as one. We have federal money, state money, special ed money, cafeteria money that four different parties go different ways. And you can't rob Peter to pay Paul. And the same thing for her. You can't take money from certain fund balances to pay down general fund stuff here. And uh when you see that we do have that money, but when we're spending $10 million a month, I mean, that's a lot of money that which I can imagine what Davidson County does. But for Coffee County, I think we get pretty good bang for the buck. I think this will take care of the sheriff's department's departures, which over time cut down training, also retain good employees. and you get customer service from your good employees. And the 5% is more than the state mandated for elected officials. And I know that does not bring our county employees up to where there ought to be in in the real in if you went out into the industrial world, but everywhere I've met people here in this building or any other building, they are courteous, polite, and they appear to love their job. and they know who I am and I don't think that I have met one person who does not like their job here. If they do, I'm sorry. I wish they would tell me. But I'm very proud of our employees. I'm see people in here that smile and wave and talk to me. They're happy. And if they meet the general public that way, we have great workforce. And I'll be quiet. I just want to make sure I got the motion right. Uh,

so a motion was made to a no tax increase. Can you speak up? No tax increase. No tax. I'm I'm just making sure the motion was correct. Uh, a motion incre to no tax increase. The sheriff's department uh raise for uh certified deputies. A 5% raise for county employees um for the department head to divide but not exceed 5% for themselves. 7 um 55 078 for debt services for one year only. Is that correct? And that can be pulled again next year. And then there was a plus 500,000 for extra expenses. No, no, no, no. Nope. That's all gone. That's what I wrote down. That's all all gone cuz we're going to this year's budget. That budget that was presented to you. This will be 2026 budgets as presented with all the uh nominal increases budget. Okay. Okay. Okay. All right. Everybody ready to vote? All those in favor by I. Okay. All right. Is everybody good for this going to the floor? Do we do we need to go to uh do we need to review this one more time before before do you want to meet Thursday? I know we have. I don't think you're good. Okay. Hang on. Let me ask her first. She's good right now. Okay. I don't know how many people show up. Okay. I'll be wise to do it on I'm not I'm going to go around the room here. Tina, so we have a work session Monday. Yes, ma'am. We'll be able to have those papers ready for Monday to discuss at that with the zero time increase with the new budget. What would you like? Whatever whatever you represent. Well, I guess what she's talking about is a new one of these. Well, no. They'll go for that. They will go for that at some point. Probably this

sheet that just shows the final. What would you like me? Cuz I That might be eas. What do you want? This is what works for me because we can track where we started. Okay. Where we have worked through and where we have gotten to. Is everybody good with that? Tim Brown, you good with that? Just whatever Mariana presents. I mean, that's what we need. That's all. Well, she won't be there Monday night. Okay. It's just a work. Are you just talking about you want me to update the one page? Yes. Okay. Yes. Okay. So, y'all are going to have your other pages. All right. Lauren Nettles, anything. Stella, anything. Mr. Hman, anything. Mr. Brown? Yeah. This is what she asked. Mariana, take it to the floor. Anything. Mr. Chambers, Mr. Mayor, uh, this may require amending the agenda, but I need you guys to vote on something tonight. Okay. The, uh, Tennessee State Legislature, Governor Lee signed on April the 24th of 2025 our ability to increase the severance tax on minerals. And I think we need to adopt that uh for the tax period that begins on or after July 1, 2025, which will be the 26 budget. As we're talking the uh we have the ability to raise that to 20 cents per ton. Do you know what that is right now, Mariana? We don't get a whole lot. It ain't a big amount of money, but 20 cents a ton as opposed I don't know if we're at 10 cents or 15 cents. Uh, but anyway, we

need to adopt it. Okay. So, if you would somebody make a motion to adopt public chapter 285, House Bill 695. Motion to amend the agenda. I'll make a motion. Motion. Second. Second to amend the agenda. All right. All those in favor by amending the agenda? I All right. What you want to add to that? I want you to add the uh increase of the severance tax paid to C County government from motion to add that stouble field. I'll second it. Second by HMAN to add it to the agenda. Okay. All those in favor by I. All right. Now we're to the severance tax on the amended agenda for the second time. All right. Any discussion or anything on that on the severance tax? I need a motion to approve the severance tax raise. Motion and a second to raise the severance tax to 20 cents because the state of Tennessee says you can. All right. Any discussion? Do you have to do a resolution? I would think so. Yeah. It's got to go to the Are you going to do that for next Tuesday? For Tuesday. Yes. Okay. All right. The amount that's in the budget for this year is 60,000. Goes the highway. Goes the highway. Let me read this. Okay. Uh, this is Tennessee code 677212 is amended by adding the following new subsection lowercase D. A county legislative body that has authorized a tax under this part may increase the tax rate in accordance with 67-7-203 little lowercase A by adopting a resolution by 23 majority vote. The presiding offices county legislative body shall deliver a certified copy of the resolution increding the tax rate to the department of revenue. So we have to

do this by twothirds vote. I'm going to have the attorney draw up the resolution so we can go ahead and get it on there next week hopefully. And at in the year 2030, we can up that from 20 cents to 25 cents. In 2035, we can increase it to 30 cent. So every five years we have the ability by resolution to increase. That's not a lot of money though. It is a little money, but it's not tax. Severance tax mineral severance tax per ton gra go up again. Not that bad. All right. All those in favor by I Any opposed? Okay. The school board is going to do a new budget. Correct. April meeting. Yeah. That's where to adopt a new budget. Oh yeah. that were recommended from us. Does that need to be brought back? Excuse me. That does that need to be brought before us? I can just Are you Are you going to change expenditures? It will because I took the debt service out and I made one little change. Okay. I just need to do the budget appropriation resolution. You know how it's got all the lines, all the major categories listed? So, you just It's the one that's in the budget book. You know that I present next week and then they amend it. And then it got to be presented next week. All right. While she's doing that, do you want to meet Thursday? This one I put in there. No, I think we I think we're ready for this major. I don't need the I think it's ready to go. Okay. my revenue change too because of the

changes you guys make. Okay. I heard you the first. Okay. I'm just making that change. Okay. Yeah. Just tell me what you're gonna what you do Thursday night. You tell me Friday morning. Okay. Okay. I don't need to bring it back here. No. All right. Any more discussion about anything that's going to the floor? I think that would work. Thursday night will be cancelled. Uh, we'll call Laura in the morning and cancel Thursday night's meeting. Okay. Uhuh. Okay. Okay. If this Well, yeah, it will be later on. If it is the 26th, I won't be here. If this goes If this goes there, there's not going to be budget amendments or anything by the 26th. I'm done. Okay. So, you want to cancel the 26? I don't see us need having because there's no s wasting that money. I don't see us need to have it on. No, I think we're good. Well, I added it cuz I didn't know where this was going. If it passes, we're good. If it don't pass, we'll meet again. Okay. I entertain a mot. Yes, sir. Wait a minute. What if we don't pass? If it don't pass, then we need we have to put it back on. Yeah. Which we have time though. Well, he told me it only takes 48 hours to do that. To do that and I will be out of the county all next week. So, okay. Entertain a motion to adjurnn. Motion to adjurnn. Okay. All those in favor by I I make sure you turn your microphone off. We'll see how