Budget & Finance Committee - Regular Meeting

All right, it is 4 o'clock. It is May the 14th. This is budget and finance. We're in room one. Uh I call this meeting to order and uh we're going to have budget presentations, but I would like to open the meeting to we've done the roll call. I would like to approve the agenda. Um I have a need to change the on 7A. I need to move that to the 28th. Okay, we're going to move 7A to May the 28th

and then we need to under budget presentations after the sheriff's budget. We're going to do EMA with Chad back there. Wade, sorry. Sorry, Wade. Well, you could have said All in the Okay. Any more additions or deletions on the agenda? I make a motion we approve the modified agenda. Okay, we got a motion and a second. Second. Okay. All those in favor by I. I. Any opposed? And I'll go ahead with public comments. We'll get down to the minutes. Any public comments for today for the meetings? Agenda. Commissioner Malone will be here within the minute. Okay. Just checking.

We'll just slip. Okay. No public comments. And you have the minutes from the 14th of April. Do we have extra copies of I don't have another copy of the minutes? You need a motion on that? Oh, right here. Never mind. And then Todd will be up there too. You need a motion. Minutes from the 23rd. Sorry. I'll make a motion. Got a motion by Stfield. Second. Second by Roger Chambers. Any discussion? Okay. All those in favor by I. I.

Any opposed? Okay. First thing up would be the sheriff's budget. Afternoon, Sheriff Parton. Honor to be here again. Has everybody got a copy of the sheriff's budget? I would have thought you might have been I would Is it in our book?

Thank you, sir. Thank you. We'll be turning to page 214. We'll be singing the first, second, and fourth verses.

What's wrong with the third verse? time constraint. Okay.

Um the nut and bolts of our budget this year is basically ditto of last year. Um other than um I think there was a addition to vehicles and we can have a conversation on that. But um due to the promise I've made to the chair and others, I will not get into a long uh in-depth process. We've been here, we've done this, you've looked at the numbers for a very long time, but if you want to go through line item to line item and have questions, I will do my best to answer them. And if I can't answer them, the mass staff is sitting in the audience here to assist in those answers. No, we did not apply for raises. I've learned to uh um I'm at your mercy. Um, I wasn't here to thank you last year when you voted for the budget. Um, and what you did for the men and women of the Coff County Sheriff's Office last year. I commend you. I appreciate you. Um, we're seeing we're we're seeing the rewards to that going on a year later and I hope we can continue with that process of being competitive uh in our pay and um you accomplished something last year that has not been done since 1980.

So, how many openings do you still have? Are they all filled or They're not all filled and and full transparency, I've not really been on that till after the election because I might have not been the one present today, right?

Um and I would have left that to whoever else to to fill those, but we are um now going to be moving forward to to filling some positions that we've got open. Um there's always turnover in the jail. I'm, you know, I'm just convinced that no matter what you pay, um it's it's a problem statewide. It's a problem nationwide and corrections. I'm want I'd like to ask you a question. Yes. If you don't mind. Um have we slowed turnover down any at all? Yes. Did that help us on on the postcertified side? Yeah. Yes.

Okay. Yes. We we filled the police departments up and Okay. Um we you did your job. I was I was tired. I was I was getting tired of seeing you train. Yeah. I was getting I was getting tired of seeing you train them and then they go somewhere else. Training 57,000. Yes sir. There will be the occasional um you know they're the cities are very good at recruiting. They're very good in um offering things that that I don't the sheriff's office doesn't offer. And um you know, a lot of times life at the city is a lot easier than the sheriff's office

um because of the responsibilities the sheriff's constitutionally designated to do. We're a rural setting and sometimes you just folks just like the city setting and the street lights at night and having, you know, five or six officers to back them up on a speeding ticket. Uh, compared to being a deputy sheriff in the middle of nowhere in Coffee County and you're on your own in the dark, there's a big difference. Uh that's just, you know, difference in wanting to be a city fireman or a rural fireman. I guess that's the only analogy I can put to you today. But uh but yes, we've uh we've got a dedicated a dedicated group of men and women. And um since last year, I've had u a conversation with some a lot that's uh asked about coming back

and I'm I'm taking care of those that have started with us and to build them up and run them. They deserve to go because they stuck with you, the county government. They stuck with me, this the current sheriff. And um I tell them if they want to go somewhere else, highway patrol is hiring every day.

It looks like the budget's pretty much the same. It's other than I think Commissioner Nettles, other than requests for vehicles that we've talked about last time. Um, if Miss Mariana wants to indulge in that conversation, we've, you know, we're in that lease program, which is called lease, but it's more or less a um a loan. And it was great. It's, it's been great in the beginning, but I know there's a lot of administrative duties with with that program. We're coming to the end. I think next year

is the end of that program. And if the county wants to say, "Oh, well, this been great." and decides to opt out of that program and go back to um the um county buying direct. I have no problem with that. Interest has gone up since that time. So um we um that that program got us on our feet, got things going. It was great. But just like everything else in society, it's it's changed. ran its course has it's ran its course. So the five vehicles is that through enterprise or is that us buying them? That's you buying us buying them at 65.

Okay. Is that that line item 718? That would be so that would be like the expeditions. Well, it'll be whatever we can get our hands on. Okay. Okay. I see it's a little different here than it's Yeah, it's just kind of a It's still not bad. Well, and not really much difference between the Ford Explorers and the Expedition.

And I won't I'm going to try not to be buying the Expeditions. Um, but I'm not happy with nothing that the Big Three is putting out right now. They've all got I've got three or four brand new Explorers with 40,000 miles on them with transmissions out on them under warranty. at the Ford dealership right now. Chevrolet is kicking pistons out the side of their blocks right now. Dodge just really doesn't have anything going. Um, the market for police package vehicles in today's society is just trash, poor quality products. And um, nothing against my Ford dealer over here, but um, it's not their fault. It's just, you know, the 10-speed transmission that General Motors and Ford went in together and engineered is overengineered and it's

it's a mess. But, um, so if we can come up with a 325, you're just about a flat budget.

Just about a flat budget. And like I said, we're we're at your mercy. I'm not We can make it. Um, but making it is sometimes I I just want to I don't want to have to come back, but um I also know that there's other needs in the county and I'm a realist, but um we we are the ones putting the most miles on vehicles and I'm I'm trying to take care of the patrol division, Chief Watkins, and down in the plane close administrative investigations. we we survive. Um it's that uniform patrol division that we've got to keep moving um out here and we want to keep a a good product under under their feet.

So ladies and gentlemen that drive across our county every night and day, they need to be in some Yeah. The ones that's driving ambulance to the hospital as we speak. And once a vehicle gets 150 160,000 miles on it, you can pay in maintenance to death and it's still it's going to cost you money. And we we work really hard in our maintenance program. Lieutenant Mullins um and Mr. Street down there have been phenomenal. That maintenance program and having that facility, I am the envy of the state

because of that. We buy good oil. Uh we buy good tires. We buy good brakes. And uh having that out on there and then us seeing the vehicle. I mean, I'm down there every morning nearly. I if they've got the morning vehicle in there, I personally go and inspect them. If we've got a deputy that's a little harder on rotors than he needs to be, we have a conversation. But, uh, you can tell the ones that are answering the calls the most because they go through the breaks the most. But, uh, um, yeah, it's it's been great. Having that facility is um has really saved us in the long run. And and I think that people, if you've not don't know what he's talking about, it's at the old bus garage and the sheriff's department has turned that into a maintenance facility for the sheriff's department's vehicles, all the coffee county vehicles there. and they do that daily down there and that is saving a ton of money in labor and cost that way. So, it's being put back into our budget. So, I very much appreciate that. And we're doing a lot of body work when needed. My assistant down there is a career body and paint man, so that's that's helped a lot. We we have a good working relationship with our salvage yards. Um, we we know how to use zer screws, bondo, and white paint.

Okay, that's a good thing. How is the rise in gas prices affecting the rising gas prices are uh affecting all of us? Uh, I know you patrol. my my truck, for example, uses is designated um for Flex Fuel, which is the there's really only one place in Manchester, and that's the store up here on the corner that sells it.

But I'm 50 to 60 cents a gallon cheaper than everybody else for that. Um it it is going to affect us down the road. I'm just praying that we get through this crisis. We've been here before. Um, I think in our previous budgets, we've we've been really good with our fuel budget. Um, there's there's I I just hate to have to go to the patrol guys and say, "Hey, yeah." Pretail. Yeah. Right. And uh that's not selling safety in the county

when we have to start doubling up or we have to start parking and and I remember those days early and I know Chief Watkins does too where that was one of the first things that would happen when the budgets would start getting this time of year start getting tight. They would park everybody in and that's not that's not service. That's not service. And um we look at we'll look at it somewhere else. If I've got an opening I just won't fill it. You know we We'll we'll look at it in that manner. But um um but yeah, that that fuel at 429 a gallon

and you got a that's reason it's good to have those good, you know, fairly newer modern vehicles because in the old days we'd work run those 200 300,000 milei units. They get the worst gas mileage of anything out there. plus your dollar they're dollaring and dying you to death on cracks and breaks and fatigue and and failure. But um we are going to be we are going to be watching this fuel moving forward and I'm like I said I'm just hoping that we can get some relief on that. I know there some states and talking about relief of fuel tax. Well, that's not going to help none of us either. That's just going to keep the That's just going to put the potholes in the road that's going to knock your front end out because they're not going to have the money to fix the roads. So, that's neither here or there. But, like I said, there's as you're scrolling through there, I'll answer.

I got one. Go ahead. Uh, this may sound like I'm looking a gift horse in the mouth, but last year I do remember that you came forward with some um resources that helped us get to the budget process last year that you identified and gave back to us. Are there other areas this year for instance for instance looking at uh the handout that you provided to us and going comparing the 25 audited amount and then going across it looks like that

you know I know we went up so that we could get your deputies up not talking about that. Are there other areas that perhaps there could be some savings? We're We try. I'm just asking.

Yes, ma'am. We try in every manner we can. I have to budget for potentially the 400 inmates. I have to budget for the 140 employees. I have to budget for the uh maintenance of the building. If we get through like this time of year, Miss Jennifer will start looking. So will Miss Mariana and they'll start seeing it's every it seems like every year and I just happen to have this sheet with me that I posted on the internet the other day. But last year or the 2024 closing

that that was one of my lower years 36 $367,08 returned back to the general fund. I don't know, Jennifer, do you have a have you looked at any percentages that where we're at right now looking at the end of June? So, it's kind of too early. It's a little early. Too early. But I I have a feeling I have a feeling you're going to get a little bit, but I can't. Sure. I can't It's getting tighter and tighter every year because my 10-year plan, we're in the eight years of the 10-year plan. That gap is closing

quick. And at the 10-year mark with our growth and with the things that are coming to Coffee County and cost to service, probably in this term, that's when I'll be coming back into this room going, "Well, ladies and gentlemen, we've survived this long. I'm going to need right three deputies. I'm going to need because we've got more things to go do. We've got more going on in court. We've got more going on with transports. Um those I've really held the reinss on those things, but it it's starting to get pulling on me. Sure.

I mean, we we went to Miami the other day to pick one up. We're we're starting to see our travel pick back up a little bit because of the nature of crime, the types of crime we're dealing with. uh particularly these ladies and gentlemen, these these frauditors, these scam artists that are picking on y'all. We're going after them. And and if you believe it or not, I'm getting sidetracked, but you need to hear this of what your dollars are going to. We had a a Cuban in Miami that the Miami PD helped us with and tracked this low life down that had scammed $200 and something thousand dollars out of a local couple here. We found him and we went and snatched him and he's living at at the Chad Parton little house right now. So, um, we we want we're going after those folks and, um, it's it's some travel in it. And then then there's just some people that that flee off out in the wild yunders that think we'll never find them and the big satellites in the sky find them and we go get them. But, uh, comes with the signs in the calendar sometimes. Yeah. And and and we can't we want to stay cautioned on that.

Sure.

Because as you watch the general assembly every year, the school voucher stuff is really tightening and tightening and tightening and tightening up all other aspects. So, we've been getting free tuition at the training academy, the state training academy for training our cadetses. I was just left Nashville from a meeting looking at a computer and that's tightening and tightening and tightening. So, fortunately, your sheriff's office is prepared because we already had the SRO's in the schools. Some of your sister agencies are just leaning on that. And I have cautioned and cautioned for the last three years. I've told some of the other governments in Coffee County, you need to start budgeting for that because you're going to get that call one day. This money's done and over and you're going to have these SRO's hanging out here that you're not paying for. So, u yes, we've been able to supplant money that's helped off that really helped last year for the raises and um but as our salaries go up that that sucks into that.

And then one other item looking at um the uniforms. That's for y'all's new uniforms that you did. That's that's just Yes. And and part of that is going to be the the vest. Oh, good. Yes, we

we have to pay for that in the beginning. Okay. About every five years. I don't know what's tearing me up, but excuse me. Every five years, we go through and get new vest and that grant reimbures the county, but we have to pay for it out of pocket at first. So that's the reason you're seeing that large increase in that 451 line item of $58,000. Okay. Where it was generally 134, right? Good. I I just noticed that, John. Yes. Thank you very much. I got I got one more question. Yes, sir.

Maybe one more. Um, so what's what's your average or do you have an average of what a officer drives per day? Shift, we'll say shift. 250 to 300 miles. Okay. Would that re here's where I'm going. Have you Has any place looked any of the sheriff's departments looked at EVs at all? Are they doable? I've drove I'll tell I'll answer that question for you, Mr. Hman. We're in rural southern middle Tennessee. And I drive right by it. I drive right by them. And let me tell you why. Now, for the city of Manchester City Tele, it's probably doable. Yeah. But you think about just out where you live. I know.

And you think about that deputy that's running from Rutled Hill to Lakewood Park two or three times a night. I'm with you. And I'll give you another example. My daughter's working for a company. She's the only person uh in her company that has not been forced into a EV. Come the 1 of July. I think she told me they're she's going to be the last one they're going to put her in EV Mustang. She's got from Winchester to Chattanooga. She's got all Squatchy Valley, Grundy County, Marian County, and all that area. Now, how many electrical plug ups do you think she's going to have in Okay, I just want to ask that question. I know we have a big county and then and then what do you do to get rid of them? Mhm. See, everybody wants it in the beginning, but they're not looking at the endg game. Yeah.

And the endgame with EVs is nobody wants to deal with the the four-wheel rolling hazardous material plant that's there. And then I worry about if we have the wrecks that we have and then you our insurance and the and the fire department's having to deal with those big battery plants. City a city municipality is but I I I just wanted the folks that are I I just want to throw that out. Other people are asking me the hi the hybrid and it is it's it in the forthall it's like well it's a no-brainer now the hybrid program gas slash you know the the Lauren Nettles daily driver is

love it we we we don't have a problem with those for like detectives and things of that nature because you're getting 60 miles to a gallon and and we have some semi-hybrid cars for plane clothes that are getting high mileages Um, but te, you know, if I'm out here with a marked up Tesla with a cage in it, you're probably going to you're probably going to catch more grief than I'm good with you. If I just kept running the Ford Plain Jane F-150 with rubber mat. Yeah. I hope the people that ask me those questions are actually listening. So, maybe they are.

Well, and and and and that's it. I mean, we're we're still, thank goodness, in a solid hardcore rural setting in Coffee County to where Yes. And and you know, but the Tesla and the EVs don't bounce through Lakewood Park very well either. No. Anybody else? Any questions about roads? Thank you. Thank you. Thank you, sir. Appreciate Appreciate that. World record. I do want to point out that the handout Frank gave you doesn't look like the payroll taxes and benefits are there. So you need to look for one of your books. Okay. Yeah. Okay.

Frank Frank don't have that M. He don't have that nuclear computer. It's on page 25 in your book. I only have one thing last year. We transferred over the main budget. I think I inadvertently left one slot out. So that's why my budget looks a little different in the deputies. I know ours is always a little off between us, but I missed a slot last year. Oh,

you gave them everything except the benefits. Taxes and benefits. That's all I was saying because we have a position from the courthouse passed the budget last year and I done everything. I had a slot that was not Yeah. So, we I just wanted to make that But you already sent it to me that way, right? No, ma'am. I did this time. Yeah, this time. Okay, we're good. We're good. I just wanted them to see that the benefits in there waiting to hand it out, right? Do you understand what he's saying? We we used to be under three budgets. It's kind of weird. And we condensed it to two. We put the courthouse under sheriff's office, which makes sense. That and the jail separated. All right.

Thank y'all. Appreciate it. Thank you. I'm sorry. All right. Next one is EMA with Wade.

Thank you, Mr. David. Thank you, sir. calls, please. Okay, y'all have a good day. I'm not gonna sit here. Thank you guys. Thank you. Well, thanks. See, this is it. See, when I send it to them, they send it back. A lot of times I haven't sent it back with the benefits in there. Trying to say I've got it. So, which is page 32. if you want to see it in your I do. Thank you.

The ones that haven't met me, my name is Wade Evans. I was deputy director for Alen retired. Um Mr. Hunt um moved me up to interim director in December when he retired. Um since December, I've kind of had the reigns. So this is my first budget cycle. Um I didn't increase much. I increased my part-time line item. Um, when I started, we had four personnel, two part-time, two full-time. Um, we're now down to one part-time, and one full-time. It's a lot on two people. Um, I'd like to eventually get back to that fourperson office. Um, and also my part-time that I have now only makes $12.60 an hour. Um, he has a lot of certifications, is asked to go out on the middle of or in the middle of the night on the side interstate. Um, I would like to bring him up to $15 an hour. And then I would also like to get more of a administrative row instead of having a responder row, bring them in at $13 an hour. And I figured that on $13 an hour for 24 hours a week for the administrative row part. And then for the responder part, it was $15 an hour, 24 hours a week. Um, sometimes he may get 10 hours one week and he may get the rest the next week. It just depends on how it works out. Um, overtime I increased by $10,000. Um, we are in uh May and I'm got $1,000 left in my overtime budget. So, I'm just trying to be prepared to where I don't have to come ask for money in this next budget cycle if if overtime stays the same as it is this year. Um,

if you look on down to the 307, I added $10,500 into that. Um, that is for one radio for the EOC office. Um the the new radio systems that we use, our EOC radio was never completely upgraded to the new system. Um if we do have to activate the EOC during an emergency, um we need to be able to have a dispatcher on site with us at the EOC, this would give us the capabilities. Um hazardous materials, which is $4.99, I raised it by 5,000. Um, the only reason I raised it is we last year got both hazmat trailers back from both city fire departments. They are now housed at the office. We condensed it down to one trailer. Um, but we're going to have to start slowly replacing soups, meters, and other equipment. And anytime you say anything that has to do with emergency services, it costs money. Um, with that being said, right now I'm about $17,000 still in my $499 account, and I'm probably going to end the year and still give back about 15,000 in that account. But we have to plan for the worst case scenario and hope for the best case. Anybody have any questions that I can answer? the radio. Is that because it's all digital and stuff now that they're doing all the updates for the federal government?

It's on the tacking system that we went to four years ago, five years ago. Um, we have them in all of our vehicles and we have handhelds. Okay.

And we have one for the mobile ELC that we can take in and out. We really need one that we can have in the mobile EOCC and then also in our office if we have to open the EOC because you could have the mobile sitting on a scene at a school and then you could have a alternate EOC at the office and that's state contract price on the radio. I know you're down to one full-time and one part-time and you were two full-time, two part-time. I was.

And what what kind of uh calls do you do y'all go on uh that would cause, you know, overtime to be So any wreck that involves 18-wheeler? Okay. So, anything on the interstate that interstate, Taho, Manchester, anywhere in the county. Y'all respond to those? We do because one reporting to the state for the hazmat and then we either stop the hazmat leak hatchet plug it. Do you only go if there's a hazmat leak or most of the time we get notified when the wreck happens

and then I have to make a call if it's rolled over. More than likely we're going to respond because 99% of the time it's going to be leaking. Um so it's kind of a justification call. Um, I do get calls at 3:00 in the morning that says, "Hey, they bumped two mirrors together on the interstate." I do not respond to them and I do not charge the county for working home. Um, so I try to be very fruitful with money. Um, a lot of the overtime this year is pushed up a lot higher because it's been one person since December. Um, I've worked a ton of hours since December. Um Brandon is able to help me

his part time. Okay. Um he's my part-time guy, but every third day he's at the base.

Um we have tons of meetings that we go to on a daily basis. Try to get them during work hours. Some it just happens to be after work hours. Um but that that eats up most of our overtime. Um we do we assist the fire departments for fire investigations. Um that was started I think about the time Chad started as sheriff. Um I basically kept everything in the office going that was going when I started. Um because I didn't think it was right for me to change really change anything as interim position. Um and I also help EMS with death investigations. That is some overtime. Okay.

Um, and this was all started prior to me. Um, and I've and me and mayor had a discussion whenever I got the interim that I'd keep the office running the same and that's what I've tried to do. Thank you. So line 189 I seen in 2025 it was 1720. be budgeted for 5,026. It's been amended to 18514. That's a question. I can answer that. Okay. That's because Alan Lley retired and he had comp time and vacation time he had to pay out.

Okay. Do you have possibilities for another person to come on board or uh we're waiting I'm waiting um on a official decision? Okay. The the director spot and then the ability to be able to hire. So that's why the deputy and everything I left the same and also I didn't get increase either one of them. Um I was just mainly trying to get the part time up.

What's the qualifications for people? So, they need to have the same um because they should be able to do the exact same thing with us.

Um in the absence of us being tied up on two different scenes or if we have a tornado or anything come through the town or county, one of one of the full-time people is going to be at the EOC. One's probably going to be incident command somewhere on a secondary location. And then the other one's going to have to be working the actual tornado scene itself. So, um, so I think right now they're set basically the same thing as the deputy director. Um, but not quite the exact same. And did I understand you correctly that one person makes $15 an hour and the other makes $13 per hour?

No, ma'am. No. So, right now at my office, I have one part-time person, right? He makes $12.60 an hour. Okay.

He made 12 up until last year. We did the so much of a percentage which pushed him up to the 1260. My request for this year, that's the where it went from 16,500 to the 34944, is to have one that is more of a responder and then one more of administrative role to help keep up with the hazard mitigation plan that we have to redo every five years. The EOP that has to be redone. And then if we're in a meeting teaching a class or anything that three days a week somebody can call the office and it's not me having to step out of a meeting or me having to step out of a classroom to answer the office phone because when I'm not at the office the office phone to my cell phone. So

but this department is just a total of three people. We right now it's two two people plus that director whatever that and then the supervisor director

when I started no we just have right now it's just myself and one part-time personnel um when I started four and a half years ago we were four personnel two part-time and two full-time director deputy ops and a planning But, um, all throughout my budget, I've I've not spent a ton of money. Um, since I took over in December, I've tried to save what I could. Um, but the biggest one was the 499. 17,000 still in it. Anybody else any questions?

No. Okay.

I would like to say that uh Wade served as deputy director for many many years and uh the the normal progression in a department like that. Uh historically a deputy any position basically deputy clerk, deputy uh director, they their their actual job is to fill in in the absence of the director. So they have to have the experience and the qualifications to do so. So, it sort of seemed a natural uh progression for me to name his him interim director and let him operate in that position for a certain length of time before I made the decision to uh appoint full director position. Um, having said that, he and I are going to sit down and talk about some of the some of the um duties that I feel like were um self-imposed by this former directory uh are not necessarily falls under the umbrella of the EMA. Therefore, I will have the conversation to uh be sure that our EMA is actually doing only EMA services. Uh I have had talks with CATAS. I have the uh CATAS attorneys regarding EMA's duties and what they are required and should be doing and what they should not be doing. So, having

said that, uh, Wade and I will be sitting down and talking about that before I'm actually announced the director assignment. And, uh, I do feel like we'll come to an agreement on that. So, I just wanted to throw that out. Thank you, sir. Anybody else comments? Okay. Thank you, sir. Thank you. Thank you. I appreciate your time. Thank you, Wade. Okay, we are down to budget amendments and I can't remember if April had any or not. She she doesn't, but she will

next time. Okay, I just have one. Okay. just

um this is another amendment for the animal control shelter. Um they built a carport which I didn't have in the last one and then I was talking to the mayor yesterday. They're going to need some fencing. This figure is probably high, but um want to make sure since it's already made and fiscal year is ending next month, we have enough in there to finish that project. So, there's another project that looks like we won't spend this 50,000 that was appropriated for it. So, I'm just transferring it from the 91

9403 down to the 9141, which is the animal shelter project. So, this is for the the carport for the for the animal and some fencing. Okay. Cover up some HVAC, I think. So the HVAC system which is on the side of the building which is also when you're looking at the building now that you can actually see it from the road. Everything on the right hand side is all HVAC equipment. So we're going to put that it's kind of like these uh blinder fences that they have up here. Club car wash club.

That's exactly what they are. And it's going to be about 16 ft long, six foot high. It'll cover up most of it. won't cover it all, but it'll cover up a lot of it and it'll look a whole lot better than what we see right now. So, um the carport uh the drive the canopy that we put in for the u drop off uh animals was uh we put it out to bid uh through budget and finance and got back uh a local contractor was the cheapest on it and we used him on it. Did a good job. He actually went back and fixed some stuff on it I did not like as far as where it was making a birdhouse and he fixed those third Tuesday. So, um yeah, that's this ought to wrap it up though. Getting very close to it.

All right, I need a motion to approve this. I'll make a motion to approve. Got a motion by Tim. Second. Second by Tim Stfield. Any discussion? Any more questions? Okay. All those in favor by I. I. I. Okay. All right. That's all our budget amendments. We're moving the property law general liability to May the 28th.

Uh, next thing up is Commissioner Roger Chambers and the employee medical cost proposal. want about Thank you, ma'am.

Thank you. I had I was sharing m

this is what you wanted me to look at. I just asked Mariana to take a look at us pos possibly eating the insurance increase on the employees from we gave them that 5% raise back in last budget year and then in January it increased um 7% was it 7.7 7.7% to take away from the pay that he had given them

and so I asked her to look into it to get us some figures to take a look at. She's also included in the projected increase coming from January, I mean July to this coming January. And she's added that in there too to give us something to look at. And that's where we are with this. There's like eight different plans an employee can pick. So the combined increase was 7.7. It just depends on which plan you need. But our average is 7.7 right now,

right? We pay up to $650 for employees and anything over that for whatever plan they choose, they pay for. Is that total down there the 231,000?

Yeah. Yes. Um I have it split out between the three payroll funds. 101 is almost 200,000 and then rule solutt,000. But that's that's including what it has increased and what we're estimating it to increase to. Yes. For the new year and the year end, right? Which is a pretty good estimation.

So a percentage how many employees actually carry our insurance? 265. all 365.

So 100 people wouldn't be affected if we did it. No, unless they decide open enrollment in October for the new year if they decide to and now some of these are have family plans and some have just themselves just an employee. You have the employee, you have employee plus spouse, employee plus child, and then the family. So the the most we pay right now per month is $650. That's the highest. Yeah, that's a total of $7,800 annually for each employee.

How much is it for just an employee say without the extra the family and the you know well the the high dollar plan is about 900 a month that's the premium PDL with that's the lower deductible lower out of pockets but you paid more obviously and then the limited um is one that if you pick that there it's just for the employee there's no cost okay so if it's employee there's no cost. Yeah, if they pick that plan, they want the higher one. Let's say they need the the better coverage depending on what their circumstances are,

then they would want it would be probably beneficial to them to have the higher one even though they would pay some out, you know, out of their check. Depending on how many times doctors or what kind of illness they have, maybe what kind of prescriptions they have to take. They just have to look at all that. And we're paying 600. We're paying up to 650. 650.

Is that what the bottom tier cost us? The entry level for the employee only. If they pick the limited PO. Yes, that's what it cost the county, the 650. Yeah. Okay. It's slightly less than that, but that's Did I understand you correctly when you said I thought I heard you say this that the most an employee would have to pay out of pocket would be $50 a month.

Um, no. Let me regroup. It's It's the HSA is the one that's if they take that, that's the one that if you take that, it will won't cost you anything. Uh the limited has gone up a little bit more over the years, but right now the county will pay $650 a month up to 650 to whatever whichever one you pick. And then anything over that they will have to pay their paycheck. It'll be a deduction.

And the most expensive one is $900. Um, I've got it here. One of these spreadsheets. Would this be just for the ones who are getting insurance?

I think it's they could take it in open. I didn't know if this was considering I think all employees whether they get the insurance or not

this way it looks actual is a different figure but that's to increase that 7.7 that amount right there.

Why do we think that the premiums will increase by 12.75%. We what I did was 7.7 is for for this year. That's what they went up average 7.7. So and then the rest is I added 5% because um in January our new year starts our new calendar year. So you only have six months. Okay. So it went up to 10. You're only going to pay five from January to June. Have we ever have we ever looked at a comparison between

what the industry standard is that being county governments within the state of Tennessee or other states for that matter but specifically Tennessee? Have we ever looked and compared to what is the standard? How many governments what does government typically in the state of Tennessee uh cover for employees health health insurance? What seems to be the average amount or percentage of that cost do they cover?

It varies. I mean, we're in the state of Tennessee plan. So, the I don't want to give out a percentage, but there is an overwhelming amount of public employees in Tennessee that are in the state plan just because um you know, you have more in the pool, right? You know, so this is a state insurance plan. Yes. That we are. Okay. Yes, I got it. Of the people participating in the state insurance plan, how many of those governments provide 100% coverage? I can't tell you. Don't know. I mean, it's I'd be curious. I can ask somebody else.

This won't make me popular, but um I've worked for municipal governments. I've worked for state governments and I've worked for the federal government and I have never had 100% of my insurance coverage. I'll probably hear about that. I think the only person that I don't know who has Yeah. The only person that's getting their whole insurance, but really in truth, the only person that's getting their insurance paid for is the person the employee on the lower tier. On the lowest tier. Correct. Okay. but they're not paying the family plan and we're we're only kicking in 650 per person. So if you and that would cover the employee alone

on a low tier plan. Okay, that's yeah on the lower tier whatever that is. And is that up to 650? Is that or is that non 650? Too many questions. I'm trying to find the the highest cost. I didn't bring my little one that I think I need it. I can go grab it.

Got a nice spreadsheet that I do that has all that information on it. I didn't know where we're going to get into Let me just Yeah, let's do that. I don't want to say okay there's like four you said eight actually almost 16 plans 16 plans instead of combination available oh yeah of what they can pay I what they choose okay and it might sound great having this lower plan that don't cost anything but if they're a person see need some specialized care they're in trouble

they're in trouble so They need to look at that and that's normally what they do. I don't know what somebody's situation is. You know, I have to Nobody does. No. Right. Just because it's free doesn't mean it's great. Right. Right. Right. Anybody else? All right. So what she said was that's about 260 something of our employees that take the insurance, right? About a hundred don't. Right. So if we do this raise like this, some people are going to get left out. Maybe going to get what? Get left out. The 100. Yeah.

Would they still have their total though? I mean there's they're not out any Oh yeah. They're not out any money or anything, but we're just putting They're just not going to benefit the insurance the They would not benefit, right? They won't lose anything, but they won't gain anything. They would not. Yeah. Where these people have lost. Yeah. And if you do this in le of a raise though, then those people would come out on the short end of the stick. My making sense. I do like paying insurance, but if if everybody's not in, then you're going to have some people that don't get because I don't know. Exactly. You can't do both.

And they and they and they have a tendency to get upset and do stuff. And we did do a study what two years ago, Tim, which you you were on it. We did the ad hoc with the insurance and the longevity, right? You know, we did stuff talked about stuff like giving gift cards if they would go get their medical check for the year and stuff like that, but there's only certain things you can do. So, if we did this, we couldn't like give them 12% as a one time check or anything like that. You would just have to cut down their cost. Yeah, you would just have to cut the cost down.

I don't see a way of making both sides. I believe before that didn't you didn't we give them $50? No, you didn't. You made you made a motion. Was that last year before? Okay.

Because a lot of times this is what they bring forward. You are giving us x% increase but our insurance is x%. So in in effect, we're getting nothing. So this is a good way to look at it so we can at least be informed of how how much because they think a 5% increase here and take five% increase on that it zeros them out and it does not. They do not understand that. A 5% increase on your income on your salary is a larger increase than a 5% increase on your insurance. Yes. Yes. And we because insurance comes out pre-tax

and your insurance is going to be less than your salary. Yeah. It's going to be less. But we hear that when they come forward that, oh, we're not getting anything because you're giving us 5% increase, but our insurance is 5%. So, they think that zeros out. There's no way you're going to There's no way you're going to be able to sit there and pay. It's on a bigger amount. Totally. No. Rather do what benefits the most people. Yes. Coffee. No, there's no way. But this is good information. It's very good. And there going to be a lot of people in our community this year that get nothing period.

Right. With gasoline going to $4 or $5 a gallon. Uh there are going to be a lot of people out in our community that are taxpayers that are going to be hurting. Period. Uh so it's one of those this year is going to be a tough year. Plus the appraisal is coming out. Yep. With the economy. True. God,

but your tax appraisal should be a wash. Yes. Your your property value may go up, but your tax rate will be brought back down. And I I I don't understand that when I read about what what's the point then it's not going to mean any more taxes for us. There's no it's not a windfall for county. It's just reappraising your home value I guess for future I don't know right it's just the value of your home but when that happens we have to lower our tax rate right down. So it does go down. Yeah, it's dropped. But that makes no sense to me.

But there are going to be some people whose homes who double in value. You can be taxed out of your own home. In that case, eventually you could eventually. I saw it happen in other areas where someone can't afford the tax to live. Wilson County is doing that right now. Yeah. All right. So, we're back. So right around 11 12,000 this makes it easier to understand. Yeah. See what I mean by how many plans you can pick. Thank you, Miss Mariana.

You're welcome. So that's the monthly cost. It's got total of the employee share and the county share. You see where it says 650. That's what it is now. So um you can see real quick what the highest play in it. Excuse me. Keep yawning. Highest plan is okay.

Good night. Employee and family. This looks like Blue Cross Blue Shield. So, if you do the limited PO, you're having to pay $25 a month. Correct. Okay. And if you go up to the standard PO, you're paying 82. Okay. And like I said, those out of pockets and deductibles are higher the lower you go.

Yes. Okay. Okay. And that HH the HSA is the health savings account. Correct. Pre-tax money. Consumerdriven health plan. That one we also give the employee $1,000 a year. $83 to put into their HSA as an incentive because it has a higher higher deductible. Yes. and out of pocket. That was whenever they started that plan. God, it's probably been five, six, seven years ago. So, the advantage of that is you're paying your own money to a higher deductible, but you're not paying income taxes on it,

right? That's correct. So, your bet is you better not get sick or better have that money in that health savings account. You better have HSA. Yeah. So, you have to be disciplined and put that money in that account. So if you don't, you're stuck. Yes. Okay. All right. So for us to meet the needs or whatever the increase from last year and the increase for this year would cost us 231 or 231,000 in this year's budget.

So can I and y'all can read me. I'm just uh the the amount that would go on top of what the county pays the 650. It would go so it would go to pay more pay the 7.7% increase. It would it wouldn't like go it wouldn't show as a um a raise on their on their check. It would be toward their insurance. It would be on top of the 650 making that say 600 or say 550. They have more take-home pay. Yeah, they would have more take-home pay. That but it wouldn't show us that they got a raise. It would just show that that amount would is going strictly toward insurance.

But that would only be employees that are using this plan and the employees that aren't using this plan don't see any difference. But we have taken away in a odd way from the employees that do have insurance. They're paying

something to consider. Okay. You want to just leave that on the table to consider? I I would propose that we leave that on the table. All right. Next thing down is C, and that's the budget discussion. Okay. I have a spreadsheet that Miss Dao wanted. Oh, good. I love it. I love it. I have to see it, Miss Marian. I have to see it. Visual. I've got it dated at the top. Thank you. Yes, I have that matches.

Thank you. like a little snapshot of where we started as we go through the process and where we end up at. We actually approve it. So started with an estimated the June 30th, 2025 at the top. That's actual that's what when the books were closed. That's what the fund balance was.

Okay. And then it's estimated right now with the packet that you have in your notebooks will have a desk deficit of 66,000 329 and then the estimated fund balance will be 11,53517 budget estimated revenues for next year expenditures increase decrease fund balance looking at 2.7 Um, I hate to call it a deficit. Um, you can look at it two or three different ways.

The estimated expenditures, the 32 million, is that everybody's wish list in here? Whatever they ask for is in here. That's that's the proposed right now. Yes. Okay. Plus the benefits is what I trying to tell Frank. Yeah. Yeah, you won't argue with me, but most of the time I send it back to them. Okay. Okay. I do have a question. I know they don't figure them. I do. I know some of the people put in a percentage for rates. So, did you include that or not? Whatever they gave you, whatever they put in the book because I know some didn't give a percentage, y'all. There's no way. So,

uh, some did a a very large one, some did. But honestly, I know y'all decide what is going to go in there and I go and adjust everything anyway. But since that's what they asked for, that's what I put in there. Last year you told us that there was this side amount that was guaranteed that was going to go up. Electricity is like 400 something thousand dollars. Electricity, things like that. Mhm. Do we know how much that would be this year? Not yet. Um I mean there was three items. Okay. Electricity was really surprising this year with the utility company.

Expensive. You saw I had him in jail about $100,000. Yep. Um, of course we're in this situation gas, but I mean that's just um I kind of in the budget I've budgeted on the high side for the utilities. Um, and a lot of times, you know, I don't have an accurate, but I mean I'll I mean I'm going to look at it again obviously.

Do we have any more people coming to present that we know of? Not right now. uh the register of deeds and the trustee, but that I mean if their stuff's already in here, right? Yes. I mean, no, nobody else has asked me about being on because they had asked, but I don't know if we can get them in here on the 28th or not. As for I mean, theirs are just salaries and benefits mostly, but they've asked for increases. Well, where I didn't bring my Laura, where they at? Well, I came straight from work. I didn't go home, so I didn't have I went my book. You know what page that's on?

Do you want to Do you want to start going down and looking at the department? So, what I just I was just I just like to know those two what they I know John Marone needed some equipment. Um for what? Did we put that in there for this year? He needed he had to have a SQL server now, right? And then he needs the computers and the rest of it, a server for next year. And it's in there and you can see his leases. We approved his leases. Well, we gave him a new server, too. Yeah, he the server is in next year. The SQL server is your database. Okay.

He had to have that down. And then he's he's going to have to get a new server with this new year. And What's in there? Register. I don't think register is anything. I can recall. She said 50,000. Is his under the county trustee? 52400 400 52400. I don't know what page

I've got. He is on page 15. That's where I'm at. Register is eight. Trustee is 15. Are you looking at the register or the trustee? The trustee is up by I'm looking at trustee right now. That's John Marc.

Can anybody tell me what that percentage is? Oh, he's 15. No percentage. register of deans right now. No, I'm looking at trustee county 15 is register. Can we look at one? Hey, let's everybody go to 15. Uhhuh. Page 15. We're there. Okay.

Who is that? So,000 budgeted for it came in at what percentage is he running right there

between what I'm talking about is deputies from last year to what he's asking for now. He's what 12%. It actually Yeah. came in and then he wants to go to 185. That's what I The data processing equipment's went up. That's the server and stuff. Yes. Okay. And is that on state bid? Yeah. Big time. 2010. He has to have No, it wasn't. Okay. He has to have it though.

Yes. Is there another question?

I'm still on 15. 10% deputies on trusting 10 10.

Yeah. And he did around a 3%. He got around three on his right as far as what the state.

Yes. Yes. Well, now if they give us what the um officials increase, don't they, Miss Mariana? Isn't that passed to us? Whatever the department those get officials, the state gives us that information. They already have. Yeah. What is that right at 3%? 3%. Okay. cost was at what was it 3.8 this year? Is that what they figured? 3.7 2.8. Wasn't that what I heard?

Because that's what they base his off of the head department. Is that kind of what they do when they give that raise right there to the department? We everybody done looking at this one?

Let's go to register. Which number is that one on? Eight. Eight. Page eight. 10% too. They pretty well follow each other. Does the data equipment on the trustee have to come out of the general fund or can it come out of

that is a restricted account it's on the revenue side data processing fees and revenue that line offset each other30 Hey guys,

you're the next. Come on in. Is that got a door on it? Yeah, that one. Yeah, it's because they're not swings. Okay. Anybody want to look at any other They want to make a discussion on this one. You can look at mine.

Yours is flat, isn't it? Where's yours at? Um, mine is It's like two or three pages down 2100. It's on page 12. Excuse me. You got a three. What page is that on? 12. 12.

What's the count and the bookkeepers? Are they okay? What percentage is that? Okay. So, if you might recall in October 2024, purchasing was not in my office, right? That position. Okay. That got moved back to my office. Um, one of my staff wanted that position, so he was promoted.

Okay. So, that left his position open. Well, I did not fill it until March of this year because purchasing required a lot of catchup work and I I tried to hire one and work out. So for the last I don't know nine months I've just been doing it and trying to go through and clean up and

straighten things out then will let go. So now I have hired the p the person that will was learning to do part of what Jonathan was doing and I've kind of done some rearranging that makes more sense in the office with the flow better than it was before. So that's why you see my estimated is so low because I had about seven months of nobody was in that position. So that's why looks a little odd but now I'm fully staffed. That's line item 119.

Yes. Because I have one, two, three, four, five, six, nine employees. But then you have to remember we also do the ambulance billing. I've got two people that just do the ambulance billing. Now, do you get that back from them? Talk to me. No, that is all paid out of the general fund. Okay. So, but the work they do saves. Oh, I understand. I'm just looking at where the money. Yeah, I understand. I agree. It has worked out very well since 2011. You're recouping a lot of money. Yeah. Since we did all that.

Okay. I counted myself. Me and

I have to count this forget. Now the 606 that for this running budget year that was pulled out in December. Correct. On this sheet that you made for Miss Dao, sheet you made for her says estimated December to fund balance. That's the estimated Yeah. difference. Okay. Fallout made in April this year. Fallout. Yes.

Okay. Well, I'm gonna throw something out there and just see if it sticks or not. Throw it out because

there's an elephant in the room. Can you could you show us and you know in an email in the next however many days it takes you to do it what it would look like if we stayed with last year's budget estimated whatever our increases could be like you threw at us last year for 400 and something that was the power gas and all that stuff and a 2% raise for the employees and that be I don't know what it would be, but I don't know. I'm not going to guess. Oh, no. I'm not asking you to. No, ma'am. I'm not asking you to guess at all. Leave it at last year's budget. But the obvious cause

But the obvious Yes. that you know, we're going to go up because you hit us with that last year because, right, we couldn't freeze the budget because there because I whatever that would be. Uh so 2% on salary. Yes. And then leave the the operating costs that we know are going up. Did that take a lot of time? I know it takes a lot of time. Um well, beat me. It won't be done tomorrow. Oh, I'm not asking that. No, ma'am. I'm asking about sometime next week. Maybe next Friday. Two and a three. I could have I mean I y'all throw out what you want to

maybe a 2% a 3% just to have something to compare with three do a two and a three and our continuing the make sure I'm right on this. Our continuing contributions to the volunteer fire department with the smoke detectors is rule money only. Okay. Are you talking about the 250 capital project? Yes. Yes. Okay. Is there enough in there to fund for another year? Well, look in your book there. Look under capital projects. I'm just show you where all this stuff at.

I don't know what tab that is. It should hit a capital. There it is. Okay. You have one that's general capital projects and then you have another sheet. Capital projects. Yeah. Okay. General C. Is it general capital projects? And then flip the page. Okay. Gotcha. Because there's actually three capital projects funds. Okay. See there's one at the top, one at the bottom. Yep. One top, one at the bottom. Okay. The one at the bottom is the R capital projects. rule sales section. Okay. That has the $4 million. Okay.

Has a $4 million. Okay. So, that's what they have to No, that's our balance. Oh, okay. Okay. I would also I would also like to see what that looks like with that contribution again for the fire for the for the fire. We gave them we gave them this. It's increasing. So, deduct this from this and that's the But it's still increasing. And these are the people that run into the house when I'm running out and they're putting in smoke detectors. And those smoke detectors are paid for by the state

and that would be rule money helping rule people. I'll tell you right now, they're going to be putting a new roof on the library. Fire department. Okay. Yeah, I heard that from 400. Okay, but that's general rescue. That's not rule. Correct. Yeah. I just wanted to let you know that would that wouldn't be coming. You got a mandate on it right now. That wouldn't be coming out of this fund though. What are you talking about now? The roof. I just wanted to remind them all we're going to be putting a roof on the Manchester library. This is approximately where it was going to run. When y'all did this before, this helped him. so much. And if you look at what they're buying with it, the fire department,

I agree. They're buying so much equipment that it is bringing their resources up to top-notch fire departments in the rule. And that's what we need because people are going to continue to build here and come here and these men and women need the help and support of us. That's just Tim asking. And doesn't that lower homeowners insurance to

get their certific but we go back to the water problem that a 4 inch water line will not suffice a fire hydrant. So that kills the ISO of fire department. You don't have the water available. You can be right across the road and it's not going to help. Uh so that's one of the things that we need to think of. Mariana, is that Can I ask you is that that's not counting any of the um nonprofit stuff that budget that is all in the general fund and it's already in there. It's already in there. That one sheet, okay, that I showed y'all that it's it's the last page in the general fund tab. That all of that is in there.

But that's what they requested. That doesn't mean that you have not voted what you're going to give them, but that's what they requested. I meant when you do the when you do the numbers that doesn't include that. Okay. All right.

It's the last page under I just want to make sure that she said no. I believe I believe I

senior citizens and stuff. So this is not in that the That's a different Okay. All right. Okay.

And we've raised the donations or the contributions to Manchester and then that's for mutual aid, isn't it? The fire department. Fire departments. Yes. The payments to the city. Yes. Yes. The down here at the bottom. Yes. Yes. That's for y'all to come help. That's for them to come help us. And they do come help. Yep.

That needs to go away. It did go away. South Central Tourism. You got a band-aid right now.

Yeah. Yeah.

The decorations for the Christmas decorations for the courthouse. that the tourist

and Miss Man, grants are not in this, correct? Grants. Oh, grants are all over the place, but they're not in our numbers. Yes, they are in our numbers. There's existing grants that I know about right now. They're in that. They're already in that budget. That's the senior citizens. Yes. Yeah. Okay. And that helps. I think it the senior citizens assistant too for the meals on wheels and stuff. Doesn't that provide the meals too? The assistance. Yeah. So that's that's food for them.

And then I agree with that one. That's Okay,

I don't know about y'all, but I'm at that threshold if I am number bummed out. NBA, you know, we cover. Yeah. The mutual aid. Yeah. Yeah. That's why we y'all come. Yeah. Y'all come. I mean, all right. Do we need to meet before the 28th? I'm gonna leave that to you. You won't be here next week. Okay, that's good. Have a good time.

I don't blame you. You're going to be gone. 528. Last week. Next week. Next week. Yes. She's going to be gone. So, you know, we're going to ask her for information. All right. Do you want to meet at four or five on the 28th? Uh, let's Can we do four? Yeah. Y'all okay with four? Is everybody okay with four o'clock? I will not be here at all. You won't be here at all. Okay. I'll be in Florida. I'll be here. Okay. Who won't be here? We'd be here. You can't be here either. Okay. We've got to be here. We got to get Tim Brown. He probably be here. We got to come up with $2.7 million to balance the budget. Balance the budget. Not that much.

Not that much. Okay. waiting on the reappraisal and the ADA average schools. I know they got it finally. It's really late. People ask you if how much you know how can we can't get more money asking can we raise your taxes? Okay. I'm I'm really worried about the school voucher program in the next 10 years senate so much money off the public killing. But that's something to be decided down there by those people. Yeah. All right. So, the 28th at 4 o'clock. All right. Let me ask you this.

We could continue on into June though, right? I mean, we if we have to meet, we could meet two times a week if we had to get in there. Okay. Because really and truthfully, the longer we can wait, the more numbers you have, the closer we get. The big thing I'm waiting for, like I said, the ADA sales tax. Okay. Distributions and so I'm not as scared as what I was when I walked in here. We can keep going through June because by the end of June is when we have to have the budget approved. We need to have commissioners get a preliminary. Yes. Whatever the second Tuesday is in June

and that is the 9th. Yes. That is June the 9th. So they we need to have it have a preliminary budget by at least June the 2nd because that would be the Tuesday after the Thursday that we meet. So So why don't we why don't you just plan on that Tuesday meeting again? I'd rather set all the meetings we were going to have until then now and then that way nothing gets planned. All right. Or 28th. Hang on. momentum May 28th possible June the 2nd I think you need to and possible June the 4th okay

that's two in one week but that gives you a possibility of three meetings Marian is that enough I think talking about June did you say the fourth June the 2nd and June the 4th that's a Tuesday and a third I have capital outlay it seems are we keeping and get at 4:00 yes at four o'clock it seems to work better for everybody I have capital outlay in 4:00 in the second. Okay. You can't do it on the second. All right. I can How about June? How about June the 1st? And then how about June the 5th? That's a Monday and a Friday. I can't take you people on Friday. I'm sorry.

Can we not do it at five o'clock on Thursday? Because we're usually done by five o'clock. Yeah, we're Yeah, we can. Can we Why don't we just go to five o'clock on the June the 1st at 4une do a double and June the 4th at five. Will you be here then, Mariana, on the fourth? Okay, say that again. June June the 1st at 4 o'clock. Okay. June the 4th at 5:00. Why are we changing that time? Because he has a meeting at 4:00. I believe this president first at

we could probably move it up to 4:30 really unless you got a lot on that schedule. Did you say June the 5th? I really don't have a lot of office are already on the budget and finance that's going to be there. I I mean I don't have a whole lot. We don't have a whole I mean we're wrapping up. We have a little discussion to talk about at 4:30. We'll hit on the 28th and then hit on the All right. So, we're gonna do this one more time. All right. May the 28th. Yep. Yes. That's a Thursday. Four o'clock. At four o'clock. Yes. June the 1st, which is a Monday, at 4 o'clock. Okay.

Then June the 4th, which is a Thursday, at 4:30, right after y'all get done, we roll in here. Okay. And if we can, we'll cancel the 4th of June. Okay. Okay. If we're done, we not coming. We're not spending that hunt. What? What of June? Oh, you talking about the fourth? Yeah, that's right. After your going to be here, might have on the 28th. Does it Does this system have any ability to I know I can listen wherever I'm at? But do I have any ability to interact? No. No. No, you cannot. We put you in on the phone. You can call and text us. Yeah. Terry and

FaceTime.

I just can't. Yeah, you can put your two cents in now. So, by the 28th, I'll make sure my meeting done. Well, if you're going to be gone next week, you can't work on that 2% anyway. Oh, well I ain't to the same. She can knock that 2% two and 3%. Okay. Two and three. She just want to commit those two. Yeah. Oh, I don't want her to either. I don't think I could remember them right now. I'm going to make a motion to adjurnn. All right. We have second. We have a motion to adjurnn. Second byman. All those in favor by I Please turn off your microphones.