Mayor and Board of Aldermen - Regular Meeting

This meeting of the mayor and the board of Baltimore for the city of Cleveland is now in you have any business before this board come forward and we will be heard. Uh instead of prayer tonight, we're going to have a moment of silence in remembering of remmitance of Randy Townsen, police officer with Cleveland PD for 31 years. You would just bow your head. Thank you. Amen.

Good evening board. I want to thank you uh for allowing me to come back uh tonight and speak with you all regarding the fall fest we have scheduled at Delta State. Uh based upon the recommendation of the board, the last time uh we were before you, uh I had a meeting with uh Mr. Graves Jackson and um Wes Williffford to discuss the the bonfire and the fireworks. And uh I I thought what we had was a really good productive meeting that uh has been long coming and uh it really was a good experience. Um we we had a discussion, the three of us and Wes went back and spoke with the firefighters and the firefighters agreed to do the um bonfire to to midnight. Um and uh we look forward to holding that event and thanks to the city for all your help uh that we've had over the last uh several months. As you all know, it's been a trying time at Delta State and you know, my role as vice president of student affairs is try to find ways to have our students stay engaged and here in the community and events like this is one of the special ways that we do that. And uh I want to thank you all um for your support and also to Chief Trible for he and his staff support uh as we've gone through uh quite an ordeal and just appreciate all the city's done for us. We thank you for what the uh Del State's doing for our firefighters in return. Thank you.

Thank you. We need a motion of any type for this. I don't think we do. Agreed. Been agreed. Y'all have anything to want to thank him because of the line of communication that he produced. We haven't seen that in a while. Rearview mirror small and windshield big. We see a really good relationship moving forward with Del State and uh thanks to Dr. Loen and what he did and uh it's just it's good stuff. That's what concentrate on. Don't worry about the other stuff. Thank you. We appreciate you. Appreciate you very much. Have a good night. Thank

you. Jonathan Adam of Retail Strategies. Y'all on? Yes, sir. How you doing, Mayor? How are you? Good to see you. I can't can't quite hear y'all. We can't hear you. See, try to get is not loud. Yeah. Is that a little bit better? It is. Silent. Not very much. You're there. It's just kind of quiet. Let's speak up. Okay. I apologize. We're My colleague got bad here. Here. Yeah.

I don't know if that's going to help. Oh, yeah. Is that any better? Yeah, we got it. Okay.

Okay. Sorry about that. Um, well, good evening, mayor and board. Thank you'all so much for having us uh this evening. It's great to be in front of you. Um, for those who don't know me, I'm Jonathan Ross. I'm the portfolio director here at retail strategies main point of contact for our partnership with the city of Cleveland and I've got my partner here Adam. Um we are going to go through um a brief uh slide deck high level as I understand we've got some some new uh board members uh probably since the last time our teams rolled through this and so just wanted to speak high level to get things going. Um we're going to highlight um previous success, uh current success, and what we've got ongoing. And um also want to leave plenty of time to answer any questions that uh any of y'all might have. So um with that, I'm going to share my screen. Um and no one go. I'm not sure they can see it. Can y'all see that?

Not yet. Not. But they have actually um y'all have a hard copy have it. They're they're looking on their iPads. But there you go. There we go. All right. Can y'all see that? Yeah, I can see it. Okay, perfect. All right,

there we go. All right. Sorry about that. So, we'll get started. So, um, like I said, Adam and I were were in the market, uh, in September of this year and, um, I I believe February of 25 as well. Um, so had two visits, uh, in Cleveland this year. Again, we're going to just, uh, briefly go over high level for those that maybe aren't familiar with our process. Again, um, I'm Jonathan Ross, uh, your main point of contact along here with Adam. Uh the folks you see here are who support us in our efforts, our our leadership team and marketing team. Uh we work uh every day uh with this bunch uh advocating for Cleveland. Um and this slide is is focusing on um kind of the the way that we go through our process. So, uh, it's a combination of a lot of data and demographic, uh, analytics as as well as our own eyes, uh, and feet on the ground in Cleveland looking at, um, specific real estate assets in the market. And where our value ad is uh the outreach and the what we like to call pleasant persistence day in day out putting Cleveland at the top of the inbox of these groups that represent these national retailers. So there's a lot of ways that we do that. It's a lot of uh relationship building. Um it's a lot of trade show representation. Uh, matter of fact, uh, our team just got back from Atlanta from an IC show a couple weeks ago. And, um, through all of that, um, we were able to, uh, identify opportunities that might otherwise go between the cracks, if you will, uh, you know, with these groups, uh, looking for

opportunities, um, for, uh, expansion with their brands. So, here's a brief kind of what we'd call a retail recruitment ladder. Now, obviously, you're familiar with all these brands. Some of them already in the market, which is which is great news. Um, and what we like to talk about in our world, in our industry, is is national retail kind of begets more national retail. um in in markets uh you see uh one domino to fall and uh the next one just falls right after it. And so um you see this baseline um kind of uh retail group that begets the next group and the next group. So over the years, we've been proud to be a part of a lot of uh the [clears throat] success success and growth within Cleveland without, you know, without your partnership and the incredible leadership that is in the community, we we wouldn't have that success. And um we're really excited about u just building on that momentum, which we're going to speak to more specifically here shortly. Um, so here is some specific data that we'd like to share and it gives you kind of a snapshot about kind of how we think as a team and specifically how these national retailers think. So what this slide and this data is providing is the overall performance of your Walmart there in Cleveland based on the number of uh yearly visits. Uh please keep in mind this is number of visits not based on sales. That that data is privy to the city specifically from a tax uh standpoint and then obviously Walmart as well. But through our data provider which we uh which is called calibrate

and proprietary to us we're able to track mobile insights specifically through uh mobile pings um as as we all know now our our phones are tracked and so um while we don't know who individually specifically is is uh visiting these these retailers we can we can get an idea of uh how many people are visiting. So with all that said, uh the Walmart in Cleveland is uh one of the best performing Walmarts not only in the DMA but also within the country, the top third in the country uh based on uh unique uh data from uh visits. Now the reason why this is important and the reason why we why we use this data is again to my point earlier is that national retail wants to be next to national retail specifically successful national retail. And so if if you're a group looking to expand and you're looking at Cleveland and maybe you didn't know how the Walmart was performing, well, uh, the group at Retail Strategies was able to give you a very specific example of how the the Walmart is performing and why that would be valuable information for you to know. So again, this is this is a unique um data set um that we actively use um because it shows um how well the Walmart is doing um and specifically how well uh not only the community but also the greater uh CTA uh around Cleveland supports uh this particular uh retailer. So, another example, we wanted to kind of share a snapshot of a different type of retailer. Obviously, Mallister's Deli

um great brand um within Cleveland um you know, restaurant as opposed to um obviously like a Walmart, but does equally as well within its category. ranks again within the top third of the country and number two within the DMA. So this is another opportunity for us to uh highlight um how well a specific uh restaurant is doing within the market which is um very useful when attracting new tomarket brands. And then to kind of show how we can take um maybe not so great performance and use it to our advantage is um the Kroner there in in Cleveland, which um it unfortunately uh is is in the bottom third of of the national uh market uh and ranks last within the DMA. And while on the face of it is um concerning, how we can use this to our advantage is to attract new tomarket um grocery brands that feel like they could outperform at Kroger. And so that is how we um tell the narrative for the city of Cleveland um that uh they need in fact uh a new tomarket grocery store. And uh when we get to the end of this presentation, we're going to give even more specific data examples of uh why that is. And then uh kind of last uh last piece about performance uh on brands within within the market. McDonald's is

extremely successful in uh with visits. We're talking about top 11% in the country. It's the best McDonald's within the entire DMA. McDonald's obviously is a brand that uh it goes without saying is uh kind of the king of the quick service restaurant groups and most importantly does their due diligence before entering a market. And why that is important is that uh these other brands are aware of that acutely and uh if McDonald's is doing well in a certain market then it it is fair to say that another QSR brand quick service brand should uh should at least take a look at uh Cleveland as well. So, these are all just quick snapshots um and specific examples of how we at retail strategies use our pro uh proprietary data um to our advantage in telling uh the story uh of Cleveland uh and the advocacy for Cleveland um moving forward. So, um, with that, I'm going to turn it over to Adam to run through what we call the retail timeline and, uh, kind of get into the meat and potatoes of of the presentation.

Yeah, thanks, Sean. And, uh, thanks everybody there in Cleveland. Um, I'm I'm a Mississippi native, so I'm uh, need needless to say, Cleveland's one of my favorite markets. um be being from the state it means a lot to me to see the success of of a community uh that I'm very familiar with um just growing up and and and playing sports in the area. So um so I'm Adam Shackleford uh from Mississippi originally went to Mississippi State and um this is going to be kind of a snapshot of my day-to-day job. Um, my my title is retail development coordinator. Um, and and basically everything that Jonathan has mentioned before, um, is are things that I utilize on my daily outreach to these national retailers. And I'm going to spend a minute or two on this slide right here just to show kind of the the timeline that it takes for a retail deal to get to get done through completion um, with the cash registers uh, open and ringing. So, um, you know, our niche is the national retailers because that is where our relationships lie in the industry. Um, all the trade shows that we go to and we represent Cleveland uh in person. It it it's strictly for the national retail sector. Um, the local regional groups and brands, we're happy to to go down those paths as well. Um, and we lean on our our local points of contact for uh for for that. But so in the world of national retailers, it it all really starts on Wall Street. And before I get into it, the green bubbles that you see are are where or where that we at retail strategies can really have a an influence on a deal. And I'll I'll get into those specifics as we go through this timeline. But um Wall Street every year comes out with, you know, growth numbers for a specific retailer. You know, let's use McDonald's

for for an example. Uh McDonald's might say that we need to do 500 stores in the next 5 years. So that breaks down to 100 new stores each year over the next 5 years. And that's across the country. So the real estate director uh in the next bubble, his job is then dictated to him uh he or she that they need to go out and find uh sites for, you know, 100 new stores uh uh this year. and the real estate director, their fiduciary that they're paid salary by by McDonald's or whatever group they represent and that is their sole fiduciary. There might be four or five real estate directors across the country for one brand. So each each real estate director has a territory of four, five, six states, sometimes even um you know east of the Mississippi, the entire eastern seabboard or maybe just California. Um, and that's a lot of municipalities as you can imagine. Just think about how many municipalities are in the state of Mississippi. Um, so you're not competing with nearby markets for for additional sites for these brands. You're really competing against, you know, Arkansas, Louisiana, Tennessee, Alabama, Georgia, uh, as well as Mississippi. And you know, kind of where our influence at retail strategies comes into is that real estate director might have, you know, 25 stores in his in his territory to look for. And our job is to be putting Cleveland in front of him uh as often as possible because he there's no way that that that real estate director can go through 10,000 municipalities and do their due diligence. So they rely heavily on us uh to put them on markets uh with local knowledge on infrastructure changes, law changes or anything that might uh not really be open to the you know to the greater uh world in the commercial real estate world. Uh we can give those insights uh

and and kind of help them do their jobs and hit their their growth numbers and their goals. And and really the local tenant rep is a 1099 broker. they work strictly off of commission and their job is to find sites uh wi within that the territory of that real estate director and present those sites back to the real estate director. So, our main influence through a a real estate deal is really heavily focused on the relationship with the real estate director as well as the relationship with the local tenant rep because the local tenant rep might be submitting 10 sites to that real estate director over the course of, you know, maybe two or three different states. Um, so we we're really here to influence those opinions, influence those u decisions that um, you know, might otherwise the real estate director might not otherwise even be aware about or even the tenant rep might not be aware about uh, that somebody just bought a shopping center or this uh, p this uh, building is being demolished. So, it's going to create an opportunity for a a new deal. So, let's use a perfect world scenario where the the tenant rep presents one of the sites back to the real estate director and it it's intriguing enough to that real estate director to start doing some due diligence um to see if it's going to be worth actually going after. Uh and the reason that we don't have a ton of influence on this part of a deal, the the financial analysis piece of it is, you know, we're not property owners, we're not uh we aren't licensed real estate agents, but we're not brokers. We work on behalf of Cleveland. So, we can't control the price of the property. We can't control if the property owner wants to either sell it or lease it or just sit on it and and and keep it in the family for the next generation to have. So, um we we do not have a ton of influence on the financial piece of it.

Um but we do have a lot of influence on on the front end of a deal. So, uh, once they go through the financial analysis and it it seems to make a little bit of sense that they might be able to to to go after this, they submit a letter of intent, um, which is a non-binding document that basically gives the retailer the rights to this piece of property, um, uh, if all the the boxes are checked. Um, so at any given time during their due diligence, it's usually either 90 days or 180 days through that letter of intent. Uh, the retailer has uh rights to back out of that deal. Um, which does happen quite often for many, many different reasons. Um, but we're going to stay in the perfect world and say that, you know, the site in Cleveland that we presented to the real estate director and the tenant rep made it through the the proforma and the financial analysis. um it made it through the letter of intent and they're they have all intentions on uh going forward with the deal. Uh really the biggest piece is is the next piece here, the real estate committee. Um this is where the rubber really meets the road. Um the real estate committee is a room kind of like what you're sitting in right now, a boardroom, and it's it's comprised of every real estate director. So those four or five real estate directors for that brand uh that represent the entire country, they all come in usually once a quarter and they'll have a long meeting where all the real estate directors will submit their sites uh in front of their other real estate directors, in front of their peers. um kind of like uh the TV show the TV show Shark Tank where they get up in front of them and they go through uh the site, they go through all the financials and and really try to sell it to uh the brand uh the other real estate directors as well as the CEO and usually the CFO are in that room and their job

is to sell that uh deal to their peers and it's really just it's an internal accountability uh way for them to open u because again at the beginning of this and Wall Street, they have to open these stores to keep their investors happy uh and and profitable and keep the, you know, the stock prices up. Um, however, they don't want to open stores that might close within a year or two. They they want to make sure that they're going to be there doing business for, you know, 10, 15, 20 years. Um, and if the real estate director opens five or six bad stores, then, you know, his job is on the line. So, there's a lot of pieces in this that um can can can have a perfect deal, get to this this point around 80% of the deal being done and um you know, that deal can die at the real estate committee. Um based on factors of either a better deal in another market, pricing or you know, factors out of our control. So, you know, again, at at retail strategies, we're we don't have a seat at the table at the real estate committee. Um I I personally wish that we did because I think we could we could really, you know, help those move along. So going back to the perfect world, um let's say it makes it through real estate committee and we get to the lease u agreement or the purchase sale agreement kind of depending on how the the deal is structured if it's a ground lease or an outright purchase of a of a piece of property. Um and then they bring in the developer to start the construction phase and you know the community gets really excited and uh shortly thereafter u the construction uh you know if it's a a QSR it might be six months if it's a hotel it might be 18 months um you you have the opening there the grand opening and the the ribbon cutting and everybody's excited and um you know the developer piece and why that's highlighted is many of times a developer will buy a piece of property um and and tie that piece of property up, uh, create a site plan for it. Um,

or they might work with several retailers where they're the preferred developer and, um, they try to get ahead of it. So, a lot of times we have in influence on the beginning with the real estate director and the tenant rep um putting them on site from Cleveland, but we'll also have a great amount of influence with, you know, either regional developers, local developers, statewide developers, or kind of the the Hutton Group out of Nashville, kind of those big southeastern um developers where we can put pieces of property, large tracks of land in front of them and have them tied up and then help then the developer recruit the retail to that site um and and help the developer get a deal done. And so I know that was a lot u that usually takes about three years um on average for uh from Wall Street to the revenue cutting um and there's a lot of different um opinions in that timeline and people involved in that timeline uh that that complicate the course of a deal. So, um, kind of getting into the meat and potatoes of, you know, what I'm sure a lot of people are are wanting to hear from us today is kind of what we've done more locally, hyperfocus on Cleveland itself. And and here's some some of the the histories of some wins and successes that we've had in the market since we've been working with Cleveland for for several years now. And and Cleveland's gone through a few different iterations of our team at Retail Strategies. And um you know that that to me shows a great partnership where you have a long-term uh people grow out of their role with it, stay within the company and I can still rely on those people uh for some history because they're just right down the hallway from me. So the Arby's deal is one that really reflects um kind of the timing situation when it comes to this.

A question from an alderman if you don't mind.

Yeah, go ahead. Uh I I've been on the board since we hired y'all six or seven years ago and I I appreciate everything y'all done. But in in looking at this report, kind of getting into the meat and potatoes so everybody else that is not familiar with y'all understands. One of the things y'all told us from day one is that we had a substantial food shortage uh in terms of sales and that was the first time we ever met y'all. we still have that same problem. And and Kroger is sitting here, I hope they're listening. They're ranked at the the bottom of the Kroger uh chain. So, I think that's kind of one of the things we're interested about is where we're going with that. I we know y'all do a great process, and I didn't mean to interrupt you, but uh we've been pleased with everything y'all have done, but I'm really interested in what you got to say about the grocery situation.

Yes, sir. Most definitely. and and anybody feel free to interrupt at any time. It's it's it's not a problem. We're we're you know, we work on y'all's behalf. So, um you know, we're y'all are our fiduciary, but we're we're definitely going to dive into the grocery uh sector. I'll give a little bit of quick insight on it. I mean, you know, the grocery uh sector right now is is is really tough and it's always been tough because um you know, it's you can get a deal done with an Arby's or Mallisters a lot quicker than a grocery store. you know, Arby's Mallisters, they look at, you know, um the the McDonald's in the market, see how well they're doing. Where the grocery stores, they they're looking at so many different types of demographics. They want to make sure that the population in the town is young enough to where you have, you know, uh families there that, you know, people that are going to be shopping for families of four or five and spend more dollars per per trip and and things like that. But really kind of where we're going with grocery and and and we kind of re we re recently got a site in town that I think is going to be great for grocery. Um grocery is extremely expensive to build. Everything is right now. We all know that. Luckily interest rates u got a little changed here recently and we're we're hoping and expecting by the end of the year that'll happen again. Um there's a lot of dollars on the sideline across the country right now that people are kind of developers are sitting and waiting uh for a better uh rate before they really work on the deals and start breaking ground on some of these projects so they can save 500,000 or a million or whatever it might be. But uh you know that that's the reason you don't see grocery stores opening at the same rate that you see coffee shops and u you know inline spaces is because a lot of times they either need a second generation box uh former grocery store because the the cooling the freezer sections and and everything that goes into building a a

grocery store is extremely expensive. Um so you don't see a lot of ground up grocery. Now it is happening uh but there's not a ton of ground up grocery right now. Um so we'll get into the grocery uh here in a little bit as well. But that's just a little bit of the insight there is that

and then that's kind of why you don't see as many grocery stores popping up on a on a annual basis as you do these other groups is it's expensive. I can give you an example uh for a town that we work in in in Alabama where uh Publix has been on the market, interested in the market for about seven or eight years and they've done uh you know years and years of due diligence. Um they they've had some sites before that they were potentially going to open up on and those deals ultimately die. But um you know a grocery store's due diligence is going to be three years whereas Mallisters might be six months. Um, so yeah, again, we we have some updated uh gap analysis on grocery store. It's still a huge need. We're we're keeping an eye on the Kroger. I know everybody locally is is frustrated with that Kroger. Um, you know, they were going through some changes with Albertson's recently. They got turned down. So there's a lot kind of shaking up with the Kroger brand and we honestly expect them to be making a move and in the future um that could be a net positive for the community uh in Cleveland. U because again uh back filling a second generation space is a lot cheaper than ground up although we still have some opportunities for ground up that we can get into. Um

gentlemen I'm going to stop y'all for a minute and see if the alderman have any questions. We've got a very long agenda tonight. Uh, we've gone about as far as we can go with this tonight. I want see if they have any questions for y'all. I think. Yes, sir. Danny Abraham, one one name I didn't see up there and you can explain to me why. Whole Foods Market. I saw Alb's Alb's or whatever. What about the Whole Foods Market?

Yeah. So, Whole Foods, what they their kind of demographic plan is they need a certain amount of MBAs within a a region. Um, and they need typically uh the the 15minute drive time needs about 100,000 people in that trade area. Um, which you know ultimately right off the bat is going to be no just with the population demand there. Um, they look at a lot of psycho demographics like Trader Joe's and Whole Foods. They have a they're very targeted on their consumer base. They've done a lot of, you know, the science part of getting a deal done. They've done a lot of that over the years. So, you see those in more of the primary markets. Um, you know, and Sprouts is one that we had on there. That's a great example of a a similar concept that could be a potential.

But two things always to remember. Uh, Cleveland, of course, Ba County is the second largest land mass in Mississippi. So, we don't look just at Cleveland. Number one. Number two, Clarksdale has nothing. uh that Kroger's shut down. So all the Clarksdale comes over here and shops with us too. So when you're considering it, please take those two things in consideration. Uh but I think we all know where Kroger's headed. So but I'll turn back over to you. Thank you. Uh it's I'm glad I'm glad to see this. Thank you very much. Yes, sir. Yes, sir. Thank you. Anyone else with any questions?

Gentlemen, we appreciate your time. We do. And I'm sorry to cut y'all off, but we have a lot of other folks waiting to speak. Yeah, that's that's our totally understand. We're happy to jump right on jump back on another time any time. So, just let us know. Yeah, we're always available. Mayor, thank you so much. Michelle, it's great to see you as always. And board, thank you all so much for your time. Uh really enjoyed being with you all this evening. We still have a we're in the process. We still have contract on that. Correct. Correct. Okay. We're still ongoing. Thank you. Thank you so much. Appreciate it. All righty. Thanks everybody. Y'all have a great evening. Thank you.

Uh Ebony Williams. What do you think?

Please state your address. My business address and my personal.

Your personal. 481 St. Pete Road Mississippi 387. My name is Edney Williams and I would like to say thank you for allowing me to speak you all today. I am here um I am the owner of Serenity. I opened up in Cleveland, Mississippi 5 years ago in November. So, um, you all recently passed an ordinance in Congress and the ordinance stated that hemp products were illegal and not approved by the FDA. And

no, ma'am, the ordinance restricts sale of hemp products in Cleveland, Mississippi for human consumption that have not been approved by the FDA. And even so, according to the attorney general's office, that would be required in a medical dispensary and it would be required somebody with a medical cannabis license. Okay. So, um, so you're see I'm sorry the misunderstanding. That's our ordinance is not what you said. Okay. But your words were that it is not FDA approved and therefore illegal. Those were your exact words. And and is the Mississippi Attorney General's office. Ma'am, he gave a statement of opinion and we all have

he and her opinion is the sale of products derived from hemp plants designed for human consumption is not approved by the United States FDA and is prohibited under the Mississippi uniform control substances law. Yes, sir. And so are the products at dispensaries. They are not approved by the FDA. And also regular teas. I'm just showing you other products that are not because you made that statement about notable. So, we all consume vitamins and supplements that are not approved by the FDA energy drinks. Okay? And like I said, the ones that are in the dispensaries

as the attorney for board, what is your request of this? My request is that I want to present to you all clarification because what you said is not true. No, ma'am. I I've given the board the AG's opinion. I'm litigating this in Chickasaw County with the attorney general's office. I I'm I'm very sure what your words were. It's not FDA approved and it is illegal. Would you like to That's the AG's office. Ma'am, that that's that's what the AG's office has found. Say what you said. What the hell? Clarify. No, ma'am. Oh,

they're not going to take your questions. You're here to make your few comments as a matter of public speech and and and that's it. [clears throat] Well, you out. Okay. So, what I have here are just some handout because I would just like to inform the board about what hemp is. Okay. Hemp and marijuana come from the same plant. They come from the exact same plants. The only difference is the concentration of THC. So, my question to you 3% THC even with the hemp is illegal and the FDA has not approved that for human. They have They have approved it to be sold. They have approved hemp to be sold.

Are you actually selling chicken infused with THC at things like the Shaw Homecoming? Is that what you want us to allow? Chicken? Yeah, I can see. I looked at your advertisements. Cookies and cupcakes, things that children would like. Okay. And so when you go to dispensary, they sell gummies. Don't children eat gummies? So they sell gummies to people with a card that have been referred by a physician is subject to the HIPPA law

years old and that's who I sell to and as an act of good faith I also have my products tested. So this is um a certificate of analysis that just one that I get. So every product that I have has been tested. It is 0.3 is federally legal and is legal in the state of Mississippi. How much of the other kinds of uh THC and other derivatives do your products have? All of them have 0.3. They're all legal. And I believe that the FBA have they they screened your products? They have not screened mine, nor the vitamins that we consume, nor the products in the dispensers. The city didn't do a ordinance dealing with vitamins.

Exactly. Energy. Tell me what the difference is. If anybody at the board can clarify why are dispensaries allowed to sell something that come from the same plant under the opinion of the Mississippi Attorney General is lawful by law is an opinion law. If you disagree litigate it I'm already doing that county AG's office will join and we will deal with it. I understand. Is it is your argument that somehow the farm bill allows Yes, sir. That's what it is. Yes, sir. The farm bill doesn't allow it for human consumption, does it? Neither does the Listen, ma'am. My question though, does the 2018 Farm Bill allow hemp sold does not for human consumption?

It does not not allow it. Okay. No. My question to you, does the 2018 Farm Bill allow hemp to be sold for human consumption? It allows all products that are hemp derived under 0.3 to be sold. That's not what the law says, ma'am. Okay. Well, I had Can you read it to us? No, ma'am. I'm not going to read it to you. I'm going to brief the board on it. We're just here to let you make your comment.

Well, I'm just I mean, you let me talk, but anyway, as I stated, the 2018 Farm Bill states that hemp products are legal, the state of Mississippi. And also, the same thing was proposed in the House. If you look at number nine, if y'all look at number nine on page three, they did two proposals. won in 2024 to propose the regulation, but it died. It passed in the House, but it died in the conference. Okay. In 2025, they came back again and they proposed licensing testing, but it passed in the House and it died on the calendar.

Have you reviewed House Bill 916 this year from the Mississippi Legislature, passed by unanimous approval of the Mississippi House and Senate, 48 in the Senate, 120 in the House of Representatives. The only people who did not vote were not there. And they all voted exactly to do to address the sale of these vapes that have the flavors on it that the kids like. Yes. And you still selling those? No, sir. I don't see anything. Um, but that tells you what the Mississippi legislaturator is doing. They're not going to approve what you're asking them to do. Well, we can I mean, we have to wait until, you know, that time comes, but they right now the state of Mississippi says that it's legal and

No, ma'am. It does not. They all have the AG's opinion in front of them. That is not what it says. Sorry. In other towns and I've never had a problem. I understand they let you set up a trailer at a Shaw homecoming to sell Oh, these items. Okay. Really? Really? Is anybody considering the way I want to change your ruling? What was What was your question? You want to change? Y I've already voted on this. We voted to pass that pass. Anybody want change the ordinance based on what we were given by legal?

That's correct. If I'm wrong, I'm wrong. But I'm not. You said illegal. It's not illegal. Those were your words and that would correct me. Ma'am, you're entitled to that. I am. Yes, sir. We're going to be arguing that in Chasaw County. Then we're going to go to the state supreme court. We're going to be done with all this. Why don't we yall going make a decision after it goes to spring then? Thank you for your time. Thank you.

Nice to meet you. Thank you. [clears throat] told me a momentar. You ready? I'm good. Public hearings.

Public hearing. We have a good number of them that have been removed and I have that list. I may read duplicates. 607 Rosemary Road, Southern Villas of Cleveland. 1205 Avery Street, Gavin Lee and Carly Williams Jennings. 712 Cross Street, Lamar Ray Chase Jr. 1509 Daring Street. Um, Mallayia Le Masky, uh, pronunciation, I'm sorry. 625 Pearl is listed, but it has been taken off the list for community development. 702 Jackson Street Ronald O' Meyers 709 Daring Street Mike Baker 809 Farmer Street Cox and Ward Properties LLC 701 Daring Street Jordan Reynold Properties LLC 1220 South Brisman Avenue Percy Johnston 508 South Court Street Charles T and Rachel Geri Salazar 401 South Sharp Avenue, Serview Petroleum. I believe that's been taken off,

too. See some progress.

No, not [clears throat] yet. Uh 325 Shoemate Circle, Margaret V. Floyd, 811 Oak Street, College Heights Real Estate LLC, 905 West Sunflower Road, Terry M. Bird 206 North Victoria Avenue YC Kamarina 2011 North Bolivar Avenue Dawn and Sul 631 North B Avenue Melanie A Jordan 629 North Bow Avenue Jordan Properties Limited 701 North Davis Avenue Alvin C. Edwards 623 Ruby Street HNS Development Inc. 601 Ruby Street Allied Financial Investment Systems 511 Lee Street Anthony White 715 Cross Street Thelma Matthews Estate of Willie Matthews Jr. 501 South Sharp Avenue, Elma J. Now Nell, Care Jäger, 503 South Davis Avenue, Crystal Y. Seals, 410 South Street, Sundown Land Company. Oh, no, that's removed. Excuse me. 8:15 Beach Street, Yolanda Eatman, 1300 West Sunflower Road, Bruce E. Falgo, 501 North Chrisman Avenue D. Whiting 508 College Street Cox and Ward Properties LLC 608 Lee Street William J. Simmons and S Development Inc. 606 Lee Street William J. Simmons and S development LLC 604 Lee Street Percy El Trotder 602 Lee Street Percy Trotder 624 Pearl Avenue Properties LLC 419 South Street

2nd Street of Saluga LLC 315 M Kain Avenue Philip Cooper Jennings 312 Bowling Avenue uh Zang Juan and Zen Sun 426 North Davis Avenue, West Mainland Corporation, 505 First Street, Crossroads Laundry, and 604 South Core Street, Jeffrey Springer and Robert L. Springer. Now, we have a list here that are ones that have asked to be removed, and this was supplemented later in the day. And that would be 625 Pearl, 508 South Court, 631 North Bio, 419 South Street, 312 Bowling Avenue, 604 South Court Street, and 315 McCain Avenue. Uh 315 is requesting a 30-day extension. The others are removed. Um, with that said, unless there's is there anyone here to address

anybody to face Bruce Phil? Mr. Phil, which one is it now? It may be this 1300 on you. Okay. I add that I think what you see. What street? 1300 West. West Sunflower. Yeah. Yeah. It's It's so long. It's Mage 57. First of all, I'd like to say thank y'all uh just taking this time. Uh I'm asking for a little more time. Some of that property is not mine. Called the man, I think it was,

and told him what part was not mine. Uh asked for a little more time to get the wood up, but got the weeds down. Sir, would 30 days give you time? Yes. And if it were longer than that, what we would do for some reason to, you would take pictures and deal with Mr. Trotter, but um 30 days would I believe that this is Does this property face highway 8? This the back of the property the 1300 Sunflower one. There's a truck back there. There's a truck back there. We explain what he mean. Now, Mr. Atinson owns part of that property.

No, not him. He that's who had signed the letter I got from y'all. May be out of board. Okay, you're right. I said the wrong name. That's okay. [laughter] I'm trying to just Okay. Yeah. 30 days. Give me enough time. Yes. All right. I move motion extension 30 days. Abraham second. All in favor? Thank you, sir. Thank you for waiting on us. Thank you. Y'all have sir make sure as to the others with the request for removal in the 30-day extension needs nobody else here for this command reflect 629 by requesting 30day extension was y'all asking sir

oh I don't have that on there did you did you have a yeah come on up and have a second thank you I don't know which one this is yeah sir Thank you for the opportunity to talk. What address? It's a 1509. And I probably did a terrible job pronouncing your name. 1509 during better than me. Sir, how can we help you? How can we help you, sir? Yeah, we still have like some kind of cleaning stuff. What we did from our He wants to know about the cleaning. Yeah.

Uh you're asking what needs to be cleaned. Yeah. Do we do any rules? Any rules? Millie, what? Can you look at this? That's really 80 drop. Okay. Yeah. Or what we do is they all the board all has pictures on it, but I'm not sure how clear yours is. Yeah. This is like cleaning 312 botties something actually like having do you live there with two properties?

Is it 1509 daring? It says 1509 daring on this letter. Can we find it? There's the picture. I have it's just kind of shaded. He's not that different. It's on the first page. On the first page. I can't see it. Well, see that? What age? He's asking what grass on grass? Yeah. On the property. On the property. Yes, sir. Cut the grass. Yeah, we did. Yeah, we did a couple of times, but it just needs to be done on a regular basis. Okay, sir. Okay. Don't let it Don't let it get up high. Yeah.

Okay. Okay, sir. Are we Thank you. Any other question? Was that all you were asking? Yeah. Yeah, that's okay. Thank you. Thank you. Do we need to give him a few days to It wouldn't uh go ahead. 30 days. Do we need to give him or is it I can't hear. We are clean now. Actually, what is clean now? Yeah. Okay. They they have not seen it. It wasn't as earlier. He said today. Okay. Go check it in the morning. Okay. All right. Thank you, sir. Thank you very much. Thanks for waiting on it. Thank you. 30-day extension or

it'll help been done. It said it's been cut been done. So, as up to So, we've either got to give an extension or adjudicate. Yeah. Give them an extension 15 days at the most. Okay. She made a motion 15 days. Give you 15 days to finish. All those in favor? Yes. Got two weeks to finish. Thank you, Mayor Abraham. [laughter]

She was asking, you must feel. Yeah. All those in fact, I was waiting for everybody to get through. I'm glad you my friend. [laughter]

Brian, I got that. I just I think they all I need the motion for adjudication. Okay. Need a motion for adjudication for all other property. Yes. So move back by G Danny. Second by Getty. All in favor? That guy could go to work for retail strategies. [laughter] Okay. Josh got lost, sir. Be brief. Uh, first up, be the first person.

Requesting approval of the lowest quote for the boardroom table. We he's got it antic nighting gale cabinets at Leland and he's got a December 19th anticipated completion. We have called I thought we had already approved it. We haven't. We have motion to approve. Second motion by Gary, second by which one of y'all down there? Abraham. All in favor? Abraham. It's hard to find a cabinet builder. Yeah, it is way more difficult than I ever thought it would be. Get closer, Lint, and we'll be out of here. Yeah. Real quick update, Bishop Road, uh, November 25th, we're going to try to have all the concrete completed and opened up. And just a reminder, gosh,

all the work we're doing is because we were so far under budget, we were able to add several hundred,000 of pavement work. So, keep that in mind. But November 25th, what we're shooting for, uh, we're taking bids on the airport north industrial flood mitigation project next week, November 14th or two weeks. And street project we're still working on first. Then we're going to move back to Maple South Street on concrete work. And then City Hall, our current contract time is November 12th. South Street for Maple when?

They're working on South now. They're going to be on South Street for another three I mean, I'm sorry, they're working on First Avenue now. They're going to be there for three more weeks. Maple Street two weeks and then South Street. It'll take them three or four weeks to finish. So, we are five weeks out from moving back to South Street. Wow. I have B Street's in a whole lot worse shape than Maple Street.

We can talk to them about this. It's in a whole lot worse shape. I mean, up blockades all over it. Trying to dodge them with holes. uh if possible if they can that would be my opinion that I'll be glad when they finish that sewer work and they got screws tore up everywhere. I'm steady getting a phone call if I need to talk tomorrow sewer we are actively working all the base repair or all the point repairs have been done in the Shelby sewer basin and they're working on getting concrete and asphalt back. So asphalt's been delayed because of weather. So, I'm hoping this week I can get all the asphalt taken care of, including Highway 8. You got a little gap in here. You ain't got much. Yeah.

Or it drops. Not much at all. Yeah. I know you got a lot of things on your plate, but did you ever check out those manhole covers on Highway 8? Yes, sir. We did. Uh Thomas here. I don't see him. He was He said he's on the call. We've got a Yes, sir. on Zoom. We did look at it. We've got a plan. He's got a couple different quotes and we're trying to confirm what public works going to do for the asphalt and then submit 10 dots that's approved in budget that that project. Yeah. Yeah. Cuz it's I mean it's like 10 manhole covers from Walgreens to the railroad track and they and they will knock your teeth out if you hit them. They will. Thomas has the real numbers.

Hit them. If you all remember, we had a quote of something like 10,000, right? I think we can do it for less than $2,000 now. That's right. So, we we've got a couple different quotes on the contractors. Thomas is going to buy the manhole, frame, and covers. We're just going to replace them all. It's going to be the cleanest way to do it. And then public works. We talked about them just doing a little thin asphalt overlay over top of the concrete. So, that's great. It is all in the works. Thomas, he might be reporting on it at some point, but he'll be buying the covers and we'll get the contractor out there. We got to submit it to him. That's all I got.

Yeah. Um I hate to keep harping on this, but a lot of the holes that we've we've repaired or we've done repair some of the infrastructure under the streets. We've back build it with with concrete and not concrete, excuse me, gravel. Um I know there's three of them on Farmer Street on, you know, two blocks of Farmer. So, are you or Steo, are y'all working on getting those back with asphalt or or Yeah. So, I believe those are all on public works now. Thomas did the repairs, at least the one I have. Those are I drive up and down that street every day. But, I mean, I know there's a bunch of them, particularly in my ward. So, I have to assume there's a lot like that in other parts of town, too.

It is cuz I was going to ask you about 104 Maple or Magnolia. It has some of the same issues with the gravel. cleared some stuff and not not finished that job, I guess. Yeah, I'll verify if any of that's on our contract. I don't think it is. I don't think we're working on farmer, but I do know Thomas and and Steo have been coordinating with open holes and they have a schedule sent out and public works is going to start addressing them. So, um I do know it's all in the works. I can follow up with them tomorrow though and see scheduling. Well, public tearing open too many at one time. We can't ones I know about are really old. Yeah. On my street. They've been there for a year. Public just opening too many before we're getting some closed up. I guess

I just think they weren't filled back up. Public works sent out a list or request a list from wastewater about any open holes they had that had not yet been repaired just so and public works so they could get a list from them. Good job.

And then made a list of theirs. And then they were trying to also manage like contractors. they were following up with like Atmas and every and all of them just so they could try to manage um where they were all coming from. Um, so I know that Steo has been working on that, trying to get them all repaired. If they were from public works, they were going out and repairing them. And if they were from wastewater, Thomas has a list. He's created a list now. So he can go back and repair them because I think some of those, to be honest, that were real old or even from before was director, if I'm not mistaken, he can speak to that. So he's having to go back and and repair some of those. Um but um so he's got a good list now so that he is taking care of those and uh and then the contractors Stebo has taken ownership of that and he's following up him or Lucas they're following up with the contractors so that because the last thing we want to do is start repairing holes that contractors made and

also down on Southland crowd where on on side of of of the road of the street when the sweeper go down it just just tearing up the blocks. So maybe maybe if Yes. Polar works is well well aware the the plan is on that they're going to address uh the edge repair along that street. They've done this in other places. Oh, okay. That'll buy us more time until we can do a real mill and overlay for that whole street. But we're still, you know, it's we're still years out on that. So polar work is gonna do it. This has been the same plan in other areas in Cleveland with just older surface rattling on the ed.

Josh, would you get with them and take a look and let's see. I mean, we're going in winter. We ain't going to be a poor asphalt here shortly. Yeah. Is if we need to look at hiring somebody to come in and help us get these holes closed before winter because we you like you're saying when we can't lay any asphalt it's going to be too cold and if we can't get them all closed up if it requires us bring in some extra contractor let's get them closed up. The ones that are our holes right I ain't worried about the contractors gonna have to do Atmos isn't charging for it. I mean, some of these well how old they are. Some of them are a couple years old.

I'm not trying to call out Atmos specifically, but or whoever Casey, there's all the different utility contractors and trying to track down whose it is is probably not the easiest thing. Well, I mean, Sibo has a pretty good list. Okay, we have a good list of the contractors who've done it. I'd like that and if it takes a phone call to like Atmos and them that came in with their little cute truck and everything and we'll uh I like deal fix them and charge them. Well, I don't have any problem, but I mean, we're going to have to hire somebody to help us get them right. I would suggest writing a letter and say if you don't fix it in two weeks, we're going to fix it and we're gonna send you the bill.

Steo will be able to explain. I don't know if you want to now, but I I know he's been in contact with them. Stebo, do you want us?

Yes, ma'am. Uh, good afternoon, everybody. So, I pretty much got AT&T nailed down on all their holes, which they're they're working Friars Point, Clarksdale, Cleveland, and Greenville. We're on their list to get their holes finished up. I'm working with uh Mr. Bill Field Pots with Ceaseire on the Casepire holes, and I pretty much got him nailed down. I'm just discipling which ones are wastewater and which ones are Ceaseire now. So yeah, it's it's it's a little hectic trying to figure out who's is whose and who wants to own up to what. But Thomas sent me a list last Monday and I got all he is. So I know I know whose Thomas is belong to. And then now I got to figure out where all See Spires done knocked holes in the street. So that's where we're at on that. And then the Christmas lights come up. So we're kind of back and forth between them. You may have

How many ho Steph? How many repairs are we talking about? Uh Thomas has got probably I was popped on that. I can hold you that. He's probably 18 on Thomas's on wastewater uh concrete and asphalt. But there is there's a lot of ceasefire stuff still out there that we're finding or that's already been that's already been seen. If they hit a a drainage like a storm drain, we won't see it until a little while. It takes more time to see it than it does a sewer drain. So that's where we're at on that

coast. We've got a lot I think that our Sun Coast has created. That's the one like the coffee shop around the courthouse. We did one of them and and um Thomas did the other. We did the one right beside the coffee shop on court and Thomas did the one on Pyramid the other day. So there's two open holes right there because one of the calls that I got today it was a I mean they they gave me the name of the contract that created the holes. Yeah, we're pushing to get those those guys out of here quickly and hopefully the weather will work with us. But, uh, we could put all these on a little map and color code it per utility company and we could use that same program, the water meter stuff, Danny, that everyone liked and it it would be real, uh, efficient. It really let us know that who we're looking for.

We could share access with the board, everybody look at and there's anyone missing so we can try to get a handle of this thing if we give months away who made to see how many there are. We could do an update for every meeting kind of like we do with the light that outage report that we do on the street lights. We could just keep it updated and just upload it in Dropbox. Some of the companies are historically not very easy to deal with some of them anyways. We fight them all the time. So, I know it's it's a chore to do and it's a chore to stay on top of them. I'm I'd like to do what Danny suggested and uh send him a letter right now and say either fix your holes or we're going to fix them in two weeks.

Idea don't like our price. You don't see we charge a boyard, right? Idea of keeping up with it as a new member. I feel like this is all stuff that's old and we should have been keeping up as we were going. So why are we just now looking back at what Ceasefire did so long ago? We need to be keeping up with it somehow and a colorcoded map or app or whatever y'all are talking about. Yeah, that will happen. I mean, we just got to know where who they are because they get so far down the road. Well, you know, we have traditionally had great streets in Cleveland. This is the first time in since I've been on the board that people are complaining about streets.

And so, would this map tell us which streets? Um, that are up for repairs or we got the street. You got the street improvement. We got that. Now, this is just fixing holes. This is just holes and all where they are, but um so we would if someone is asking us and we can say, okay, that they're looking at this and they were written a letter to Ceasefire or whomever else, Sun Coast. Um, that's what I'm saying that we are knowledgeable of. Um, I if y'all can get us that as quick as possible, that would really help. Yes. Thank you. Thank you.

Anyone else? Danny. Yes. The consent agenda is before y'all. Needs a motion and second to approve unless there question. Motion by Gangster Lady, second by Bishop. All those in favor? Opposed. Uh, brief report by me in the file. No executive session as far as I know. We have two items for executive session. I don't have executive session. Okay. Um, Billy. Well, well, we have one item. Sorry. Good evening. Excuse me. I won't be before you long. Retail strategy got my time. They got everybody's time. Who you think?

Uh, we have Josh, you gonna represent that one or you? Absolutely don't. All right. Well, we can skip the first one. They have um they not here to speak on it. Uh preliminary plat request preliminary plat of the North Bay and Carpenter uh third edition. It was just revised a day though, was it? It was. It's revised today, but my recommendation is that we have another PL already that's out that hadn't been in done. I don't want to open up too many PL. When I took over this position, I had like four or five open plants that was already done. It was hard for me to catch up with it. I prefer to do one at a time. So when we get first one going with some houses up, then we can approve the second one. That's my recommendation to the board.

Okay. This let me get straight. They're they're abandoning the plat or for now on the side of the bottle that they put all the dirt in. They're not going to do that. He Well, his plan to do his plan to do it, but I wouldn't review his plans because his plans didn't match his covenant that the plat was approved for. So he came back to planning commission and they tabled the discussion because he tried to drop the houses down like 600 feet from what his initial plan 1700 feet 17 to 1100 square ft. Yeah. Well I saw some stakes out there today. Well Josh surveyed the lots on that side. Okay. Okay. Okay then. So this plat is for

this be the north side of Carpenter. That's correct. That lot right there. He wants to put five houses there. Correct. Coming on to another street that's about as wide as this table. Is he planning on putting them on the street? They go there. Yeah. Because when he initially did it, he was going to build a road through that. No, not that part. This he just he just purchased this lot a couple weeks ago on north side of carp. Oh, they're all going to come out on the carpet street right there. That's street. Well, you know, this never should have been approved in the first place cuz that that thing was reszoned, right? It got res That never should have been approved.

Last time I was on the board, it was approved for it was it was reszone. He could put two houses at two of them back to back and they weren't coming out on. That's when the guy before you was on That's correct. was in charge. That's correct. Although y'all g y'all want to go with his recommendation. We're not going to have all these plants sitting open if that's his request. He's not doing the other.

He's doing the other, but he came back to the planning commission for the third time. third or fourth time uh to revise it because I wouldn't review his plans because it didn't meet the specs was on it. So the planning commission tabled it till they review traffic study and all that again to table it. But more than likely that would probably get his initial plan plat would get approved versus the one that he revised. But I still didn't want a lot of open plats open on the table saying this what I'm going to do because they didn't have the traffic study correct at the meeting. Correct. The recommendations be development. A second. Got a motion from Robert, second from all those in favor.

Do we have plans to ever expand carpenter right there? Just so it meets where where it's expanded on the other side of where the rice mill is. Well, you going to have to take out a row of trailer houses on each side to about expand it, which I have no problem with. That is a that is such a heavy travel. It's a very heavy travel street. And you're talking about putting a bunch of car houses that are going to come out on five houses that are going to come well this thing. It hadn't been approved, right? No. I'm just saying before we approve this thing, we need to gone and plan for our street expansion. We just said not to.

So that I want to clarify this motion. Are we denying it? We What? The motion was for his recommendation to not open another plat. Another plat. Correct. So table it to the other one. It's probably tableing it. That's kind of what Okay. Because if you don't table it to a specific time, you just about killed it when you table it. Okay. So either that or he's going to have to withdraw the plaque for the ones on the north brow. I spoke to him about that and he folders platted up and walked off. So he did. Okay. [laughter] That was going to be really nice.

What they were going to do $150,000 house. Oh no. Who going to buy? Uh my next one I have Mr. Curtis Stickpan. He submitted a application requesting a variance for a minimum lot width minimum lot area. This is for advertising only. He meet all his setbacks. Uh his lot just too small and not wide enough to meet the current. But this was just for advertising only variances. talking about exactly the the the u the 929 street. Is this the area where the where the overhead stuff?

It's cross from the head. Cross across street from the head.

Okay. It should be pretty nice to see. We have a motion. We have motion and a second. Motion and a second. But we y'all haven't voted on motion. I don't I didn't think nobody heard it. 505 first motion by Abraham, second by WZ to advertise. All in favor? Advertise. I my What? 929 Pearl. That was 505 Murphy. 505 Murphy Street. 925. I make a motion later. A motion. Advertise. We voted on just voted. I must have missed something. Thanks. You are you making a motion?

I'm making a motion. Okay, we're going to make a motion. Do we have a second? Second. Second. All those in favor. We off the rest. Billy, that was just advertised. Yes, sir. Yes, ma'am. That was advertised. Okay. I don't have anything unless you have something from me. Thank you, brother. Don't really want anything from us today. You talk about that exact a long time. Thank you.

Hey y'all. How are y'all? Yeah. Can y'all hear me? Okay. Uh I don't have anything unless y'all have something for me, but I do uh I would love to invite everybody to um the train museum on Saturday for the tree light. We'll start at 4. We'll have a photo booth, um, a horse, reindeer, all kind of stuff. I'd love for y'all to be there. Hey, Anna, would you send me your list of events in a in an email so I can send it to the mayor and board of alderman, please? Yes, ma'am. Yes, ma'am. Okay. Thank you. Thanks y'all. He's got a lot. Thank you. You've done a great job. Thank you. Always.

Anybody got any questions for Anna? No. Okay. Thank you, Anna. Thank y'all. Y'all have my update if y'all have any questions. And I got a couple of things. Go ahead, sir. Uh, Chief, we need some more cameras. Yes. Yeah. You know, every time I hear something going on, there's a need for cameras. And, you know, it's kind of crazy. I read paper the other day and Shaw put up 16 cameras. How many we got? 19. 19. Wait. My grandpa just put up some. Yep. You got to give him some money. Well, and we need to look. We need to find some money. How much is the camera space?

Oh, well, don't worry. Don't you can get us the figures and Yeah. We'll bring something back to the board because we we need to help you out. Okay. And we don't forget the poles, the breakaway poles. Remember last time we there was an issue. the Robson electric I think was the warm bed cameras wouldn't be like the ones we have now totally different. So you have two items. Yeah. Uh I need the I'm asking for the uh closure of the downtown walking trail from 11:00 p.m. to 4:00 a.m. during 50 nights of lights.

So move motion by Robert, second by Gainsy. All those in favor. Any opposed? Okay. Also, I need the uh approval of the contract workers working security for 50 nights a lot. So, move second. Motion by Bishop. Bishop, second by Gang Lady. All those in favor? Opposed? Not opposed. But I just have a question. What's the um time frame for them to start working? You're talking about we we're extending the hours, but 6 to 11. Okay. 6 to 11. 6 to 11. Okay. No, sorry. 7 to 11.

And he he will have officers working around the other last night. Yeah. Extra. Yeah. Yes. I just want to know the hour. That all? Yes, sir. Greg, just an update. they finished your fire truck and I'll be flying out in the morning to do a pre-insspection and hopefully we'll take delivery of that next month. So, good news. Bad news on your end that PO will be due probably by December.

It all depends what it is, but we're very excited about that and we'll keep you updated when it gets here and let you, you know, do the the whole ordeal. let you come look at it and see what we're utilizing it for and what we have. So, appreciate your support. Appreciate what you do for the fire department and um everything's looking really good on our end. Will we get the right?

Absolutely. Do we still have an agreement sale to shop for 100,000? They actually redone a building called the other day and u and went and made sure specifications we got houses that just let us know that they are serious that they've gone forward to um to make sure that they've done the doors right and all that for them building. So they're excited about that as well. They'll take delivery upon our delivery of ours. Is that

is ours in service. Thank you. We'll have a training date and not going to put any personel manufactured they'll send their rib down and we will be proficient as on this possibly January. Yeah. Hopefully by December December. Okay. That's our target date. Thank you. So with that being said, will this um show be the parade? That's a little early. I'm getting excited. It'll be nice. Possible.

All right. He's not with us. Okay. Is uploaded though. Thomas, good evening everyone. Good evening, Thomas. Uh we I am uh seeking approval to accept the lowest and best quote for our new sewer camera uh to inspect the sewer mains. It will also be used to u inspect storm drains and things like that. We can kind of see before we have to dig up a road if it really needs to be dug up or not. Um bud budget budget make a motion to approve. Second

by Gaby, second by Abraham. All in favor? Um the guys uh here doing our fire hydrant maintenance um they've been here for a week. I believe the count this morning before they got started was around 115 that they've gotten done. Uh that number is probably close to 130 140 by this afternoon. Uh just kind of want to give y'all an update about that. They have found some some hydrants that need a little bit of little bit of work to them, but I mean it's kind of expected I guess. Uh, I wouldn't say they were neglected for many years, but some of them um need a little bit of greasing and things like that. Just kind of want to give y'all an update regarding that. Uh, other than that, I don't have anything unless you have something for me.

Thomas, has that repair been done there by DM Smith Middle School there on Lucar? Yes, sir. They did. They were waiting for it to drive a little bit before they added more dirt. Uh, slick everything up, but they are done with it. They got the league fixed and plan on going back tomorrow afternoon and putting fresh dirt down. Okay. Thank you. Yes, sir. Anybody else? Thank you, Thomas. Good afternoon. I don't have anything outside my report unless you have something for me. Any questions for anybody? All right. Thank you, sir. Let me ask you one question. update on those lights.

I'm gonna throw some at you. I know Paul say u the you know it's getting dark early and sir want to make sure that uh the lights are responding to you you know as you all send them the patterns. Yes sir. They do. Uh this month we didn't have it wasn't near about as many as this month as it has been. Uh, but I'm pretty positive that we got a response back from Energy on them on work orders and I'll get it sent out to Michelle in the morning. Okay. Anything else, Robert? No. Okay. Anyone else? Glenn,

here. I don't have anything unless y'all have some questions of me. Amazing. [laughter] Know we're gonna get out of here. You can go ahead and put me on the agenda for two weeks. I got Oh, Christian, I don't have anything outside my report unless you have any questions for me. Gary, yeah. What What's going on with the gates at Bearpin? Me, too. Um, somebody called me said the gates have been open and there's been a lot of traffic back there at night. I hit them again.

Somebody So, somebody somebody hit that gate and it broke it. So, um, we have somebody coming out tomorrow. They're going to weld it fixed and check the arms and make sure that they're going to open and close. So, they should be, uh, back up and running tomorrow afternoon. So, what about the one on the east end, though? That's it. Oh, he got broken, too. Both gates are broken. So, do we know I mean, this happened over and over and over again. Do we have any luck figuring out who these people are that are Sounds like you need some cameras. I'm I've gotten a couple quotes trying to figure out getting some cameras put on that gate. Um, now I haven't heard anything on the east side uh gate if it's it should be closing.

I heard I mean I I got a call from a person that lives like two house saying the gates been open. That was the one I texted you about the other day. Had been I was thinking of the um West Gate Gate. Talking about the West Gate. Yeah. I will I will ride out there tonight and see what it is. And if it's not, I'll we'll get that get that taken care of tomorrow as well while our guest late night traffic and that's where we need the camera. Is the gate open or they just noticing people are in there because the other gates open. Well, we have the other gate is chain locked so they they can't get through the That's what I'm talking about. They just drivebody else ditch on the west side. Appreciate it, Chris.

Yes, sir. Thank y'all. This is all books. There's I am asking for approval of our fiscal year the year end fiscal year 2025 budget amendments that we used to to motion by gains for ladies. Second by bishop. All those in favor opposed to [laughter] that was all you have executive session. executive session. I didn't put it on mine. I don't Anyway, the extension of that contract. Oh, if you want to, we can do that. Yes. Okay.

We're We're still dealing with the language of the mosquito contract. The mosquito's pretty much done, but I think we're getting it right mostly because we're down to the part where Josh will figure it out. But a request for extension again, I would just say November and December just in case. I just did another 30-day. Oh, you want to do a 60 day? There's 60 though. Need a motion for 60 days. Josh and I were talking. It may be December. I don't know. Gives you enough time. I mean, because they're going to be done spraying. I ain't going to be doing anything. Make a motion. We give them a rush. Let's get it right. Motion for 60-day extension or 90.

Motion by Abraham for 60-day extension. Second, Bishop. All in favor? Oppos? Sorry about that. over.

I need approval for the items under employee action recommendation. Unless you have any questions. Make a motion to approve. Motion by Gainful. Second by Rob. Who? Somebody over there. Did y'all say it? I will. Okay. Okay. I thought I come over. Get on your part. You speak it up. We need an auctioneer to get a bid. favor. I wonder Mr. Sanders. I don't I don't have anything, Mr. Mayor. Believe it or not, I don't Oh, you all right, Miss Hower? I don't have any. Anything else? I don't have anything.

Okay. I don't have anything. Mr. Thanks for uh the parking lot behind Throp Street. You know, we spent all that money on that breeze going through there, but that it looks so nasty back there. It came up. We talk about every month. Well, it came up. You I think after the doctor last meeting, didn't we talk about Josh? that we were going to look at if seeing about the possibility overlaying that to clean it up before they do that mural, do all of that. There was I thought y'all talked about it may have I wasn't here. But the other thing I noticed is is all of those dumpsters are in the way. It's hard to drive through there

and I could barely get Yeah, but have them have Didn't y'all say y'all discussed moving them? No. Um there's no other place to move them. We discussed possibly putting a a fence around them for beautifification, but then it's going to make it tougher to get around. I mean, um, with these big trucks, like I understand it's hard to turn around that thing to get. We did talk when we had that long range planning committee. That was who was looking at it right now. Putting something around them kind of like what's back on uh, South Bio back behind the cotton house. And they they've got like just a a fence just and it would

be worse. Yeah. It'd be tougher to turn if some of them are up against the building and some of them are out in the parking lot. I think is where the problem is. So it's like an it's like an obstacle course. I think they need to be on one side thinking about doing a common area for the right. If we can figure it out. Yeah. Anyway, that's all I have. ations on it too though Mr. Mayor thanks recently

nothing Mr. I have one thing. Um, after our I thought Billy about this and some of y'all here are going to take responsibility for this. I'm talking about curve cuts. And the reason I'm talking about curve cuts because this land development or which was approved in originally 201 10 when Mr. Campbell, myself, Mr. Abraham and Mr. Gainsville Eddie and Mr. Sanders approved this long. So yeah, this all take

man. I went after this. I rode all around this town. We have houses all over this town that got three curb cuts. We got a brand new one on Ronald Road. It's got three curb cuts. My brother's house who is dead has three curb cuts. I can give you a list of them all over this town. I understand. I called Billy talked about what the behind it was was to move water. I don't really know if we have a big problem here. Now, the engineer may have to correct me if I'm wrong on this, but like the one we're talking about, and I'm not just talking about his. I I don't really him and whatever. He'll have one curb cut on the side of his house, and there ain't another house on that street cuz it dead ends down there. So, if it's to move water, it's really not going to matter. And it runs into a field down there. The circular in his front's going to have him two curve cuts. I just think this needs to be looked at because they're all over this town and have not been stopped. I mean, if this was built four years ago and it's got three curb cuts on it. Now, I'm not saying they probably didn't ask, they just did it. And after it was done, it was done. But hell, my brother may not asked, but he's dead. Y'all can't do nothing. Yeah. But uh it's I I just rode the town after cuz I knew that they're all over the place, especially corner houses that have a side that the carports are on the side and then they put circulars in the front.

I'm just adding the board and with Billy that we sit down and take a look at this and and with Josh and we're going to need your input into it, too. If there's only one house that faces the side road, a curb cut over there, I don't know how that would count in my opinion as anyhow. There's no way for water to go. Anyhow, it's filled. I make a motion that we have our ordinance reviewed with respect to that with a recommendation from Billy and the planning commission and let's move on. Okay. or and I I don't this these ordinances were done by uh Breton and Slaughtering Associates.

Brett and Slaughter Associates, right? And they did a whole land and we the ones I just mentioned that were on this board, we all voted for this packet. That's right. And I think part of it is nobody even knew what the hell all was in it. Nobody read it. Well, I did. I don't know about the rest of that. So, Mr. Mayor, and you have a motion, but do we leave the ordinance as is and take each each as an exception or what are you saying? What is right now that we take a look at it and we'd look at it with Billy and with Josh and and if I'm wrong about this, I'm just riding and looking and I'm just [clears throat] That's a good idea.

If I'm not mistaken, they've made revisions to that land development ordinance. Well, there's five or six in here. So I feel some I remember on the way we didn't even like what we voted on it as it is. Make an exception. The easiest way to do this is what Danny's suggesting. Don't change the ordinance. Just add a line on that one that it could be approved with approved by board. By special exception, why are we wrong?

I want overro Billy. And if I'm saying something wrong, Billy correct. That's what I was saying about meeting was what he could have should have done rather than appealing the ordinance which is what it says. You got planning commission is looking at the ordinance and it says this. You appeal that like it's wrong. What you should have done was ask for a special an exception to it. We put in that but I'm going to tell you I think you'd be better off letting the planning commission grant the special exception on something like that. I know we Well, no. Okay. [laughter] But I just

I just think this is something y'all have to look at and make this on if you're going to do an exception to an ordinance chain says you need to allow an exception because currently it's not even allowed. Yes, they need to look at it and let let Billy and whoever they're going to need to look at it and then and Danny and and see if it needs to be revised. Well, and that's a good point what she just said now because not everything in our ordinance book is sub is subject to an exception. Exactly. I understand. But this would be it needs to be addressed that way. You've got a list of that, Dan.

I do. I do. And and I I'm not sure when y'all look at that. I look at it with you. I'm not sure that maybe there is better language that has been developed somewhere since 2010 that would make this process a whole lot easier. So there been two, three, four, five, six amendments to this. The last one being 2018 that these have been amended, amended, amended, amended, amended. This land ordinance has been amended that many times. All right. If we make a change, do we have to publish it before we can rule on this? Yes. Yes.

All right. Normally, ordinances have to be published for 30 days before they go into effect. However, when you make the ruling, you can make the ruling that it go into effect immediately. Okay. Okay. But it's supposed to meet the criteria. [clears throat] For that, you don't really want to throw that emergency around.

Yeah. Too much. And is it possible for us to research our other municipalities, see what what they have? Because I know of a house in some place else that has the current cup that's on the just like you're saying the three and the circle of driveway and all that. So yeah, we need to possibly go and look at that. We could if anybody like to read this it out. We don't. Yeah, but we the interested party in that one has a daughter in a within a year or so that is going to be driving age and his problem is going to exacerbate if we I know

it takes us 30 days or longer to fix he deserves an answer. I know there's an answer but this is not an emergency. I'm not saying he knows you're trying to help him and I'm not like I said I'm not going after I'm not pushing for one person that options. started I rode and looked at his and I'm like he's got a driveway all the way on the other side down a dead end street and hell I mean I ride by here and I go hell there's one right here just built and they're all over the place others and they're all over the place. I have a motion on the floor, right, for us to recommend to Billy and the planning commission to give us an answer on this and come review the land. We can make a change.

Motion by Gary, second by Ted. All those in favor. Was that you? Did I Did you speak up? I [laughter] did. I want to change that. Second by M. Good. All in favor? Uh, that's all I have. Why are we going into executive session? My dear employee employee. Uh, I'd like to make a motion we consider an enter into executive session for employee matters. Second.

Motion by Abraham. Anything else? Second by Miss WZ. All those in favor? Oppos? I make a motion we enter executive session for the enter.

Huh? That's your bedtime story. [laughter] I probably need be safe line. Okay. Not yet. Hi, sir. I got to um Jeez, we ain't had one of these in a while. Get us out. He's not paid.