Police Fatality Public Fact-finding Review - Regular Meeting

Getting over to today's proceeding. This review is being held because the Clark County District Attorney's Office has made a preliminary determination that no criminal prosecution of the officers involved in the death of Jeremiah Burchard is appropriate. Clark County Ordinance Chapter 2.12 requires a public review following such a determination. This is not a trial. The purpose of today's proceeding is to present the public with essential facts surrounding the death of Jeremiah Burchard. Chief Deputy District Attorney Christopher Hamner will present today's fact-finding review on behalf of the District Attorney's Office. He will determine the witness or witnesses to be called. The ordinance does not provide subpoena power on my behalf and does not allow for any other party to call witnesses. Michael Troiano has been appointed as the ombudsman. He represents both the public and the Bouchard family. He will have the opportunity to ask questions of the witness or witnesses. The procedure for questioning witnesses shall be informal with a view to providing the public with relevant information regarding the use of force and the rules of evidence shall not be strictly enforced. Members of the public observing this review may submit proposed written questions on the forms located in the back of this room and present it to one of the officers. I will ask the question unless I determine that it is irrelevant, redundant, or an abuse of the review process. At the conclusion of this review, no formal determination regarding the cause and manner of death shall be rendered. Do either of the parties have anything else to add? No, sir. No, Your Honor. If not, Mr. Hamner, please feel free to call your first witness. Thank you.

May I proceed? Thank you. Sir, if you could please state your name. Detective Ubbins. And, Detective, what do you do for a living?

I'm a detective with the Las Vegas Metropolitan Police Department assigned to the force investigation team.

If you could explain a little bit about what the force investigative team does.

We investigate officer-involved shootings and custody deaths and violent crimes against police officers.

All right. I want to turn your attention to a PowerPoint that you and your team prepared. And we can see it up here on the screen. When did this event actually occur? What was the date?

It was January 24th, 2025.

And geographically, what part of Clark County were we in?

Boulder City, Nevada.

Okay. Did it occur around the 800 block of 6th Street?

Yes.

All right. I see that we've moved on to this particular slide. We see a map here. What's significant about what we're looking at here?

This is the area of the officer-involved shooting. It occurred on 6th Street, just east of Avenue G. Okay.

If you could tell us a little bit about the subject officers.

The subject officer is Officer Ibarra. He was hired in June of 2025. At the time of the incident, he was 48 years old. and assigned to the airport. However, he was off duty at his home. So because he was off duty at his home, he was not wearing a body-worn camera. He did provide a walkthrough on scene and he also provided a statement.

Okay. What sort of weapon did Officer Ibarra have at that time?

He had an MNP-9 shield. It's a nine millimeter. It had an eight round capacity and he fired two rounds.

Was there another citizen that was involved in the shooting?

Yes. She's identified as H.M. She's a retired LVMPD police officer. She was hired in June of 2005 and then retired in February of 2015, and she was 47 at the time, and she also provided a statement to FIT.

Was she residing in the home with Officer Ibarra as well?

Yes.

Okay. What sort of weapon did H.M. have, the second involved citizen?

She had a M&P 9-shield 9-millimeter. Eight-round magazine and she fired two rounds.

It's the same make and model gun, but two separate guns Okay, so essentially four total shots were fired correct and two by each individual, correct? I Want to talk about the decedent for a second. What was the decedent's name?

Decedent was identified as Jeremiah both shard. He was 45 years old He was from California and had he survived the applicable charges would have been a temp murder and battery unprotected person. I

Let's talk a little bit about the autopsy for a second. Who conducted the autopsy?

Autopsy was conducted by Dr. Gavin from the Clark County Coroner's Office on January 25th, 2025. So just a day later.

Yes. What was the cause of death?

Multiple gunshot wounds and the manner of death was ruled a homicide.

All right. Was a toxicology report prepared in relation to Mr. Bouchard?

Yes, there were positive findings for THC.

Okay, and that would be layman's terms, marijuana?

Correct.

All right. Let's talk about the victim in this case. What were the initials of the victim?

Victim, we've identified as M.E., and she was the victim of a temp murder.

If you could, were there any photographs taken documenting the injuries that she suffered at the hands of the decedent?

Yes, she had severe facial injuries to the front of her head, her mouth and nose, the front of her neck, and then also the back of her head.

Were there any civilian witnesses that provided statements or were interviewed by the FIT team?

Yes. There was a juvenile witness, a witness identified as CL, a witness identified as EE, and a witness identified as CE.

Okay. Let's talk a little bit about the timeline. Around what time does this start, this event start?

At 0914 hours. Based on video and statements, we learned that Beauchard attacked M.E. in M.E. 's backyard. At 09.16 hours, Boulder City Police Department received a 911 call with screaming in the background and what sounded like a physical altercation. At 09.18 hours, the call was updated that Officer O'Bara was in the front yard with his firearm. An additional yelling could be heard in the background and someone saying he beat her up. At 919 hours, shots were fired, and the first Boulder City police officer responded moments after the shots were fired. At 926, medical arrived on scene, and at 932, Dr. Phillips pronounced Bouchard deceased.

Were there any civilian victim statements provided by Emmy?

Yes.

What did she have to say about what occurred on that day leading up to this event?

Emmy stated that she recently reconnected with Bouchard through social media, and she last spoke to him 20 years prior. During phone calls, Emmy agreed to meet with Bouchard because he believed that they were soulmates. The morning of the incident, Emmy drove back to Boulder City after spending the night at her mother's residence in Henderson. Emmy contacted Bouchard who advised her that he had already arrived at Boulder City and she met him at a fast food restaurant. Emmy got into Bouchard's vehicle and they drove to the Hoover Dam. They spent several hours at the dam catching up and Bouchard spoke about how unhappy he was with his marriage.

Please continue and I'll have some follow-ups after that.

M.E. and Bouchard returned to M.E. 's residence. M.E. was showing Bouchard her home and he wanted to smoke marijuana. M.E. and Bouchard went to the backyard to smoke marijuana that she recently purchased from a dispensary. After taking two hits, Bouchard suddenly began throwing his hands in the air while screaming. M.E. believed Bouchard was excited and somehow became entangled in her clothesline. M.E. approached Bouchard to help him. He hugged her and said he loved her, and then he suddenly body slammed her to the ground and mounted her. While on the ground, Bouchard struck her numerous times in the face while calling her by his wife's name.

So before we move on, I just want to do a couple of follow-ups. So this event actually happened at Emmy's home, is that right? Correct, in the backyard. And you had mentioned a clothesline. Where is that located? Is that inside the house? Is it outside the house?

It's outside of the house in the backyard.

Okay, so this event kind of starts to unfold in the backyard, is that right?

Correct.

Okay, let's continue.

M.E. began screaming for help because she believed Bouchard was going to kill her. A male neighbor whose name she did not know, which later identified as Officer Ibarra, came to her rescue. M.E. recalled Bouchard fighting Officer Ibarra. Everyone eventually ended up in the front of her neighbor's residence. M.E. was next to H.M. when Officer Ibarra and H.M. had their firearms pointed at Bouchard. Both H.M. and Officer Alvara told Bouchard numerous times to stop, stay back, and not come any closer. Emmy heard both Officer Alvara and H.M. tell Bouchard they were police officers. Bouchard took a step towards them, and then Bouchard was shot. Emmy stated she believed that if her neighbors did not help her, Bouchard would have killed her.

So let me ask a few follow-ups on that. So Emmy had indicated that as she was screaming out to help, she thought that Bouchard was actually going to kill her in her backyard. Is that right?

Correct.

And then this neighbor of hers, who she doesn't know, actually comes and she described it as rescuing her from being attacked.

Correct.

Okay. And then she said she explained that Officer Barr was able to actually get her out of her backyard and over to the Barr's residence. Is that right?

Correct. Correct.

and then the Avars had issued, and his wife had issued a number of warnings to Mr. Bouchard to not come any closer, but he did, in fact, according to her, take another step forward, and that's when they discharged their weapons. Correct. And she had indicated she felt that if they hadn't stepped in to help her, she thought Mr. Bouchard was going to kill her.

Correct.

Okay. Let's talk about any civilian witness statements. What did C.L. have to say about what was observed by him or her at that time, or by him at that time?

C.L. had been working on a house across the street since 7 o'clock in the morning. He heard screaming coming from a backyard, and then he observed Officer O'Bara go into M.E. 's backyard. M.E. and Officer O'Bara exited the backyard, and C.L. saw M.E. was bleeding. Bouchard followed behind them, screaming, and appeared to be angry. H.M. exited her residence and walked M.E. to her front porch. Bouchard took off his jacket, went after Officer Albarra, and engaged in a struggle. Bouchard turned his attention back to H.M. and M.E., then advanced towards them. H.M. and Officer Albarra pointed their handguns at Bouchard and yelled at them. C.L. began recording the incident on his cell phone. Bouchard advanced towards H.M., and C.L. felt Bouchard wanted to hurt her. C.L. heard four gunshots, and Bouchard fell to the ground. Everyone involved was unknown to CL, and he did not hear anyone identify themselves as police.

Okay, so just as some follow-up, so CL also relayed that he had heard Emi, essentially someone screaming from the backyard of Emi's residence, is that right?

Correct.

And then he subsequently saw Officer Barra making his way over and then bringing Emi out of that backyard?

Correct.

And he indicates that even after Officer Ibarra had gotten Emmy out, Mr. Burchard actually follows onto the Ibarra property. Is that right? Correct. And CL indicated that both Officer Ibarra and H.M., Ibarra's wife, were issuing or at least pointing guns and kind of yelling things in their direction. Is that right? Correct. And that Boshar continued to advance, is that right, before being shot?

Correct.

All right. What about the civilian witness, EE? What was relayed by this person?

EE was also working across the street from HM and Officer Barra's home when he heard a woman screaming. EE did not witness a battery, but he saw HM and Officer Barra grab M.E. and help her to the front of their home. Boshar tried to get to M.E., but Officer Barra pushed him away. Bouchard went to get M.E. again and was shot. E.E. believed had no one stopped Bouchard, he would have, quote, kept killing the wife of the lady, referring to M.E.

Okay, so E.E. also relays that there were multiple, there were at least two times that he observed Bouchard trying to get M.E. in the Ibarra's first physically push him away, he physically pushed him away, and then the second time is on that second attempt of getting, trying to get M.E., that is when they discharged their weapon.

Correct.

And he also felt that if no one stopped him he would have potentially killed this woman.

Correct.

What about C.E.? What did C.E. have to say?

C.E. was a neighbor. She went to let her dog inside and heard noises from M.E. 's yard. C.E. exited her residence and observed M.E. lying on her stomach, trying to crawl. C.E. heard M.E. say, stop, please stop. And C.E. observed a male, Beauchard, whom she had never seen before, yelling, quote, just fucking kill me at M.E. C.E. went back into her residence and called 911. Okay.

Now, was there video footage that was collected either from a civilian at this time? Yes. Okay. If you could, let's take a look at that.

I'm going to read the warning just so I could real quick.

So, I apologize. It's not just from a civilian, but there's some residential footage as well?

Correct. Mr. Hammond, I'm gonna read the warning real quick. Yes, that's fine. Okay, the following material is required to be presented and may contain graphic images or language. Viewer discretion is advised as graphic content will be displayed.

Thank you. Before we start playing it, where is this camera located?

This camera is pointing towards the backyard of the victim's residence between that part of town is an older part of town and has alleys in between the streets. So this was a neighbor behind the victim's residence and he had a camera on the alley.

Okay. So when we look through this fence that's here, we are looking into Emmy's backyard. Is that correct? Correct. I see that there is a tree that's in the center of this video, and there's an individual standing to the right. Is that correct?

Yes.

Who is that individual?

That is Emmy.

Okay. And I don't know if it's perfectly clear, but to the left of that tree, what structure is just to the left of that tree?

It's hard to see right now as it's still not playing, but you can see a silver pole sticking up. That is the clothesline.

Okay, and it's just above the fence line? Correct. Would that be correct? Okay. So the clothesline's there. We're looking into Emmy's backyard, and what you're saying is that's Emmy to the right. Correct. All right, let's start playing the video. Is there a way for you to stop it here for one second?

I can't pause it, but Bouchard is wearing like a black, it looks like a dark black jacket right there.

Okay, I apologize. He wasn't in frame at time. So if you want, if you could just restart it and then just play it from the beginning. Okay. Okay, so if I recall, Emmy had relayed, she was in the backyard, and she noticed that Bouchard was kind of tangled in the line. She went to try to help him. They had an embrace, and then after that embrace, she recalls being body slammed to the ground and mounted, and that's when she started being beaten by Bouchard. Is that correct?

Correct.

Okay, let's move on to the next slide.

So this next video is the same camera angle. This is at the point that Officer Obara comes into the backyard to assist.

That man walking into the frame, is that Officer Obara?

Yes.

And the individual in the black sweatshirt, that's Beauchard? Correct. I know we have a different angle. Where is this camera located?

This camera is located on a residence off 6th Street nearby. It doesn't show video of the incident. However, it does have audio of the altercation leading up to the hospital shooting.

And before we play it, what's the date and time stamp on that video?

The date is January 24, 2025 at 0913 hours. Okay. You can just play it. Oh, God! Oh, damn it!

Fuck you! Fuck you! Fuck you!

Thank you. If we could move to the next slide. Before we play it, you mentioned that there was a citizen that gave a statement by the name, by the initials of CL, is that right?

Correct.

And did he provide the cell phone video that he said that he recorded? Correct. Based on CL's statement, I think he said that he observed them kind of walking over and then seeing an altercation. And it's after that altercation that he starts recording once Emmy is near the kind of the front part of the front door of the house of the Ibarra's. Is that right? Correct. Okay. If we could just play the video, please. Please.

Get on the ground. Get on the ground. Um...

In that video, there appears to be a woman or a person sitting in a chair with two hands to their face. Who is that?

That is the victim.

Okay. And so that person was sitting in a chair in front of the front door of the Ibarra's house. Is that correct? Correct. When we're looking at the video, when we look to the right of M-E, who is to the right? H-M. Okay. And then who is to the left?

Officer Ibarra.

And who is the individual whose back was to the camera? Was that Beauchard? Yes. Okay. You mentioned that Officer Barra gave a statement to fit. Correct. If you could, please, let's cover what he relayed to fit about that day.

Officer Barra was in his backyard cleaning his grill cover when he smelled marijuana. He observed Emmy and Beauchard sitting next to each other in Emmy's backyard. He went through his backyard to his garage. While in the garage, Officer O'Bara's dogs began barking, and he heard a thumping sound. He also heard a person making barking noises. Officer O'Bara put his dogs inside his residence, then observed Boshard pick up M.E., slam her to the ground, and began strangling her. Officer O'Bara ran inside to his residence and told his wife to call 911. Officer O'Bara went to the side of M.E. 's residence and walked into the backyard. Bouchard was still strangling M.E. and believed M.E. only had seconds to live. Officer Ibarra explained that he knew he was supposed to be a good witness, but then stated his conscience told him, she's going to die, go save her. Officer Ibarra approached and identified himself as a police officer to Bouchard, and Bouchard got off M.E. Officer Ibarra believed Bouchard was not in the right state of mind because he was yelling and screaming. Officer Ibarra and M.E. went to Officer Ibarra's front yard. Officer Ibarra stood behind his vehicle while Bouchard stood close by on the sidewalk. Officer Ibarra told Bouchard to stay calm. Bouchard's fists were clenched and looked tense. Bouchard let out a, quote, war cry and approached Officer Ibarra while looking at HM and ME. Bouchard was still fixated on ME while he was still talking nonsense. Beauchard launched towards him and the fight ensued. Officer O'Bara was struck in the head and he was rattled.

So let me stop you there. I know you have other information about it, but I want to kind of relate back. So he indicates that he was in his garage when he first starts hearing kind of the commotion going on, is that correct? Correct. And then he's able to see over the, I guess, the fence line and seeing what he's doing, Mr. Burchard is doing to Emmy, is that correct? Correct. And Officer Barr actually indicates when he enters the backyard of Emmy, he actually identifies himself as an officer, is that right?

Correct.

Okay. And so he's actually, he indicated that he was actually also struck by a Beauchard while this is happening? Yes. Okay. Let's continue. What else did Officer Ibarra relay?

Officer Ibarra was able to push Beauchard off him, and Beauchard took off his shirt and let out another, quote, war cry. Beauchard began walking towards M.E. and H.M., so Officer Ibarra drew his weapon. Officer Ibarra and H.M. began issuing verbal commands to Beauchard. Bouchard was warned not to take another step. When Bouchard walked towards M.E. and H.M., Officer O'Barra fired his weapon. Officer O'Barra explained if he did not fire his weapon, Bouchard would have either killed M.E. or H.M., and he had no other option.

So Officer O'Barra also indicates that there were verbal commands being given to Bouchard before these shots were fired, is that right? Correct. And Bouchard is now on the property of the Abaras?

Correct.

What did H.M. have to say?

H.M. stated she was woken up by Officer O'Bara advising her of a domestic disturbance at the neighbor's residence. Officer O'Bara told H.M. she's getting her ass beat. Officer O'Bara handed H.M. his cell phone and she saw 911 had already been dialed. She went outside and heard yelling coming from M.E. 's backyard, then saw M.E. in the backyard crying while bleeding profusely from her face. H.M. saw an unknown male, it was Beauchard, standing by M.E. 's garage, and Officer Ibarra was telling him to get away. Officer Ibarra told H.M. it was Beauchard who hurt M.E. H.M. took M.E. away to safety to the front porch of her and Officer Ibarra's residence. Beauchard then attacked Officer Ibarra by striking him in the face and circling his neck to place him in a headlock and slammed him into H.M.'s vehicle. H.M. ran into her house, retrieved her firearm, chambered around, and went back outside. As HM got outside, Beauchard was standing approximately three yards away from her and ME. She described Beauchard as looking at ME as if he wanted to eat her. HM and Officer Barra had their firearms pointed at Beauchard. HM repeated multiple times to Beauchard, you need to leave, go away. If you come any closer to her, referring to ME, I'm gonna shoot you. HM realized her son was standing behind her and repeated, if you take one more step closer, I'm gonna shoot you.

I want to stop there for a second. So HM also relays that she observed some of the attacks that were happening prior to them making their way onto her front porch area. Is that right? Correct. She indicated that she actually took Emmy to the front porch of her house. And so she's the one that places her essentially near the front door of her home. Is that correct? Correct. And then HM also observes Bouchard attacking her husband, is that correct?

Correct.

Okay. And then she indicates that she also, she and her husband were also giving commands to Bouchard not to come any closer, is that correct? Correct. And they indicated that they would shoot her, shoot him if he took any steps further.

Yes.

Okay. And I think... When we saw that video, I mean, I think that's some of the things that she's saying on the video, correct? It was consistent, yes. Okay. So she mentions her son. Where's her son relative to all this, what she relaying?

She said that her son was behind her.

Okay. And she's kind of standing by the front door of her house? Correct. Okay. Please continue.

She continued to say that Bouchard ignored HM's warnings and advanced forward in fear for M.E. HM's son and her life, HM discharged one round from a firearm and believed Officer Ibarra discharged two rounds at Bouchard. HM believed if they would not have intervened, Bouchard probably would have killed Emmy due to her size and extent of injuries to her head. HM felt Bouchard may have been on drugs due to his erratic behavior, and it reminded her of calls that she had responded to during her career when people were under the influence of PCP. HM added she was not able to hear if Officer Ibarra identified himself as a police officer to Bouchard.

Okay, so she also indicates that she had a concern either for herself, her son, or this woman if she hadn't fired that someone was going to be seriously harmed or killed.

Correct.

Okay. If we could turn to some of the crime scene photography. If we could turn to the first slide. What are we looking at here?

This is inside Emmy's backyard. This is the clothesline that... was involved that Officer Beauchard got tangled in.

Okay, so that's that kind of now bent structure in the center of the photograph?

Correct.

Is this just another angle of that clothesline?

Correct.

What do we see here?

This is the officer involved shooting scene. There's various evidence in the front yard.

So there's a couple things I want to point out. Officer, Detective, you see the front door to the house? Correct. In the photograph, if we look to the left, what's immediately to the left of the door?

There's a chair, and then in front of the chair, There's a towel and blood on the concrete.

Okay. If we kind of go along to the left of this photograph, along this house, there appears to be a blue pickup truck. Is that correct?

Correct.

And there appears to be an alleyway between the next residence and the Abar's residence. Is that right?

Correct.

Is the home with the red bricks, is that Emmy's residence?

Yes.

Okay. Let's turn to the next slide. Are we now seeing a view from Emmy's house looking towards the front porch area, the front area of the Ibarra's house?

Yes.

Is this that same blue truck? Yes. What's significant about some of the concrete in this area where this photograph is being taken?

On top of that small retaining wall, you can see several droplets of apparent blood.

Is that essentially the pathway that Emmy took from her house to that chair that she's sitting on ultimately? Yes. Is this a close-up of some of those drops of blood?

Yes.

If we look at the next scene, is this kind of another angle of the towel, the blood, and near the front door of the home?

Yes, you can see blood in front of the blue towel there.

Okay. And if we look to the left, is that kind of a closer angle of the blood from Emmy?

Yes.

Move to the next slide. What do we see here?

This is where Officer O'Bara's gun was recovered on scene as Boulder City Police officer, as patrol officers arrived from Boulder City Police, he placed his gun down on the sidewalk.

Okay. And what do we see in the next photograph?

This is HM's gun. This is where it was recovered on scene. Again, as officers arrived, she placed her gun down on the chair.

Okay. Thank you, Detective. I don't have any further questions.

Mr. Troiano? Good morning, Detective. Good morning.

So as far as these particular hearings, police fatality hearings, this is a little unusual, or at least for me, I've done a lot of these. I think this is the first one where it was an off-duty officer that's the subject officer in this particular case. So let's just kind of start with that, because as you are aware, Detective, that this is primarily for public transparency, so I want to educate the public on how exactly we got here. So Subject Officer Ibarra is a Las Vegas Metropolitan Police officer, correct? Correct. And he was off duty at the time in question? Correct. And he resided in Boulder City? Correct. Can you explain to us why Metro oversees the process that we're at today in regards to the officer-involved shooting in comparison to Boulder City? Because that's their primary jurisdiction, correct? Correct.

LVMPD has a MOU, a memorandum of understanding with Boulder City Police Department that we investigate officer-involved shootings that occurred down there. Additionally, Officer O'Bara is an LVMPD employee and identified himself as an officer during the incident.

Okay. Can you tell us a little bit more about this memorandum of understanding?

It's an agreement between the two agencies that if a Boulder City officer in their jurisdiction gets involved in an officer-involved shooting, we would respond. The force investigation team are crime scene analysts, and we would investigate the shooting.

So you are responsible, based upon this memorandum, to investigate officer-involved shootings not only for Boulder City officers, but your own officers, regardless of jurisdiction?

Well, the MOU specifies Boulder City officers, so there's a relationship between our department and their department. However, Officer O'Barra, when he identified himself as a police officer, that places him on duty. LVMPD's jurisdiction is Clark County, Boulder City is within Clark County.

Understood, okay. So the moment that he identified himself as an officer to the decedent is when he becomes on duty? Correct. Okay. And I guess since we're there, let's just jump into that. So his wife, the civilian witness, says that she did not hear that particular command. Is that accurate? Correct. Okay. Is there any other identifying information or markers that were present that the decedent would have been able to tell if in fact this gentleman was an officer? Are you asking like as far as uniform identification or anything like that? Anything. No, just verbal identification. Got it. In regards to the autopsy, you were present for that? No. Who was present for that? Detective Fasullo and Detective Colon. And can you educate the public on the reason why law enforcement is present for an autopsy in these particular situations?

Investigators attend the autopsy to get firsthand information from the doctor performing the autopsy and the other staff assisting with the autopsy as far as injuries and potential evidence that could be recovered during the autopsy.

Okay, and is that information then relayed to you? Correct. Okay, anything remarkable from that autopsy? No. Okay. In regards to your presentation, when speaking regarding Officer Ibarra, it was labeled statement, not interview. Is that accurate, that in fact you or no other law enforcement officers interviewed him in regards to the shooting? I'm sorry, can you repeat the question? Sure, in your PowerPoint presentation, When we got to Officer Ibarra, it was labeled his statement with his lawyer present. Is it accurate that it was a statement and not an interview by law enforcement?

There were questions asked, so he provided a voluntary statement, and then those of us, the investigators in the room, if we had follow-up questions, we would ask them questions.

Okay. In previous police fatality shootings, we would... be educated on the fact that generally the lawyer or union representative would provide the narrative, ask the question, and then the officer would answer in either the affirmative or negative. Is this how Mr. Arbara's particular statement or interview went? No, what you're referring to is the walkthrough. Okay.

So typically there'll be, for officers on our agency, if they're involved in officer-involved shooting, they would conduct a walkthrough. on scene, identifying locations and evidence, and during that walkthrough, their attorney would make a statement that the officer would confirm. This was a voluntary statement slash interview that was done over 48 hours later. We gave them a couple sleep cycles with their attorney present.

So who was present for the statement slash interview?

Officer O'Barrow was present, I'm sorry. His attorney, Brent Hudley, I was there. Sergeant Parker. Tom McCleary, who was his representative.

And Detective Fusillo. And approximately how long did that statement slash interview last? I would have to look at the transcript to get you specific times. What's the best of your recollection? I think it was 30 to 45 minutes approximately. Okay. And who asked the majority of the questions to the subject officer? We would have to look at the statement. There are several people asking questions. Okay. And were you one of those several people? Correct. Okay. And were you given the ability to ask all the questions that you felt were appropriate to do your job? Yes. Okay. In regards to HM, her statement, is that similar, a statement slash interview? Would you categorize it as such? Yes. Okay. And were you present for that as well? No. Who was present for that from the FIT team?

That was Detective Fusulo, HM, obviously, Detective Chavez, and Attorney Joseph Gersten.

And do you have any idea approximately how long that took? Again, I would have to look at the timestamps on the transcript. Okay. Once that statement slash interview occurs, what's the next step as far as the FIT team is concerned with their investigation? Walk us through that.

We review all the evidence. We review forensic evidence, any video evidence that's available, witness statements. We compile that, and then we send a report over to the district's attorney's office for review.

Understood. And you referenced earlier autopsy of the decedent. Were either the subject officer or the civilian drug tested subsequent to the shooting? No. No further questions.

Any follow-up, Mr. Hamner?

Maybe just very, very briefly. So I know that you had indicated that Officer Ibarra had indicated that he was an officer. I think there were some questions about how that kind of your organization or your team takes over that jurisdictionally there. And it's because he's identifying himself as an officer, correct?

Correct.

And then you recall there were some questions about Officer Varo's wife. And just to be clear, she doesn't identify as an officer, but she's also a retired Metro officer. So she's not under the employee of LVMPD.

Correct.

However, at the time, she's at the front porch of her home, correct?

Correct.

Her son is inside her home, is that right? Correct. And she has this bleeding woman right next to her on her property, is that correct?

Correct.

But she did offer multiple warnings to Mr. Beauchard to not come any further.

Correct.

Before she just charged her weapon.

Correct.

I have no further questions.

I've got a few, if that's okay. Officer Barr's wife said she fired one shot in her statement? Correct. Actually, when you looked at the gun, it was two were fired? Correct. Okay. Where exactly was Bouchard hit?

So the injuries that were noted at the autopsy were a gunshot wound to the upper right arm, gunshot wound to the inner right armpit, two gunshot wounds to the sternum, gunshot wound to the upper left chest, a small cut to his left ear, two small abrasions to the back of his head, small cuts and abrasions to the knuckles and fingers of his left hand, small cuts and abrasions to the knuckles, fingers of his right hand, and a small abrasion to his left chin. Or shin, I'm sorry.

Two were to the sternum, dead center in the chest?

The sternum, yes. And those were probably the fatal wounds? you would have to refer to the coroner's office as far as their medical opinion on what would be fatal or not.

Do you know if any life-saving efforts were performed by anyone on scene after he was shot?

Yes, medical did respond on scene and attempted life-saving measures, and then they contacted a doctor at the hospital who, based on information from medical, pronounced him deceased.

I have no further questions. If either one of you have any follow-ups based on that?

No. Just to be clear, the cause of death with multiple gunshot wounds, though, determined by the medical examiner, is that correct? Correct.

All right, thank you. No further questions. Mr. Triano, any further? No further questions. Okay. Is there any written questions that were submitted from the public? Do you have any other... We'll take like a minute recess. After reviewing the questions, there were no objections from either the state or the ombudsman regarding the questions asked, so I am going to ask all of the questions you presented. Okay, first, when did the off-duty cops announce who they were to Jeremiah?

Per Officer Barra's statement, when he went in the backyard to assist the victim, that's when he identified himself as a police officer to Bouchard. And that was early on in the incident? Yes. The next question is, who shot or fired first? That's unlikely to be determined definitively. The shots were fired so closely together, there's no evidence to lead one way or the other of who fired first.

In their statements, neither person identified themselves as being the primary shooter or the first shooter? Correct. Okay. I said, why did the officer state she shot only once?

It's common when people are involved in high stress situations and officer involved shootings to not accurately recall how many rounds they fired. Your brain shuts down different functions and you remember things differently under stress.

Why was Jeremiah not wearing his sweatshirt when he was shot? Per the statements we have, he took his shirt off.

What provoked Jeremiah to attack the clothesline in the backyard? That's something I'm unable to answer. I can't speak on his intent at that point.

Did both off-duty cops leave their house when they heard the commotion with their guns? Or did they leave the house with their guns when they heard the commotion?

Officer O'Bara left the house with his gun, and then per... HM statement, she went back into her house to get hers. Why did the cops not call 911? They did. Officer Ibarra dialed 911 and then handed the phone to his wife while he was on his way out.

Next question was who called 911?

Ibarra? Officer Ibarra dialed and then handed the phone to his wife.

The next question is why would Jeremiah attack the clothesline and then hug me? Again, I can't speak to his mindset and intention at the time. Why did the off-duty cops entice Jeremiah to go to their house?

There's no evidence that they enticed him to go to their house. Based on Officer Beyer's statement, when he went in the backyard, he identified himself and he assisted the victim back to her house. Based on the statements in the video that we have, Bouchard followed them over.

Why did the off-duty cops not call 911 before leaving their house?

Again, Officer O'Bara dialed 911 on his way out of his house and handed the phone to his wife.

Why does the detective say Jeremiah took a step when it was a lien, not a step?

We're going off of interviews and the perspective of those involved and those information based on their statements.

That completes the questions that were provided from the public. If there's any more, we'd be happy to entertain those. Mr. Hamner, Mr. Torriona, do you have any follow-ups based on what was just asked or answered?

No.

One more. With respect to the question about why did Officer Barr's wife indicate one shot, just to be clear, she was off by one shot, is that correct?

Correct.

Because it's not a situation where it's like I shot once and it's actually like 10 times, right?

Correct.

Okay, so it's two versus one. There was a question about who called 911, and I think you would indicate Officer Barr did, correct? Correct.

Correct. He dialed, and then he handed the phone to his wife.

Right. So the first thing he does is actually calls 911. Correct. Before going out and engaging with Mr. Burchard, he's actually calling 911 and then hands that phone to his wife, so he has an opportunity then to personally try to help Emmy. Is that correct? Correct. Okay. Additionally... CE, a citizen, also called 911, is that correct?

Correct.

Okay, so that's not, I'm sorry, E, yeah, that's right, CE called 911. So there's actually more than one person calling 911 based on the actions that they're observing of Mr. Bouchard, is that right?

Correct.

There was this question about enticing, just to be clear, did either Officer Bar or his wife ever indicate in any way that they were trying to get that man over to their house?

No.

Did they give multiple warnings to him to stop coming towards them? Yes. Based on the citizens that were observing, did they also see Officer Bar trying to get this guy away to get M.E. to safety?

Yes.

There was a question about the steps being taken, a step versus a lean. Do you remember that? Yes. EE provided a statement where EE observed Mr. Bouchard taking a step towards Mr. Ibarra and his wife before the shots were fired. Is that correct? Correct. As well as, just see. CL also provided a statement that he observed Mr. Bouchard taking a step towards them before they were shot. Is that correct?

Correct.

And again, and that's the individual who was actually filming, correct?

Correct.

And that footage is from across the street, correct? Correct. And... you had also Officer Ibarra and his wife indicating that he approached them before the shots were fired, correct?

Correct.

They were much closer in proximity to Mr. Burchard than CL and his video camera, correct?

Correct.

I mean, we could see from the photograph of where Emmy's chair was, where the blood was, how close Mr. Burchard's body actually was to them at that point in time.

Correct.

And just to be clear, Mr. Burchard left a completely different residence, came all the way through the backyard, through the alley, onto their property, and walked almost all the way to the front door before they fired a shot. Is that correct?

Correct.

I have no further questions.

Any follow-ups, Mr. Trajan?

No, Your Honor.

No other questions from the public? Okay. This public fact-finding review was held because the Clark County District Attorney's Office made a preliminary determination that no criminal prosecution of the officers involved in the death of Jeremiah Bouchard is appropriate. Clark County Ordinance Chapter 2.12 requires a public review following such a determination. The purpose of today's hearing was to present the public with essential facts surrounding the death of Jeremiah Bouchard. Michael Troiano was appointed by the Clark County Manager as the Ombudsman to represent the public and the Burchard family. Mr. Troiano was given the opportunity to ask questions and to provide the public with information regarding the use of force in this case. I was appointed by the Clark County Manager as the Presiding Officer to preside over this public review. I too was given the opportunity to ask questions and provide the public with relevant information regarding the use of force in this case. Prior to today's public review, the Clark County District Attorney's Office provided Mr. Troiano and myself copies of the law enforcement investigation regarding the death of Mr. Burchard. The documents provided by the prosecution are considered public record. If you missed any portion of this review or would like to obtain a recorded transcript, a video of the entire proceeding is available on the Clark County website at www.clarkcountynv.gov. This concludes the Police Fatality Public Fact-Finding Review into the Death of Jeremiah Burchard. Thank you.