Planning Board - Regular Meeting

Good evening. Welcome to the town of Cicero planning board meeting. Would you please join us in the pledge of allegiance? Jim, would you lead us off, please? I pledge algiance to the flag of the United States of America to the republic which stands under indivisible.

Thank you. First order of business is the minutes from the March 4th meeting. Any questions or comments? Do we have a motion to approve? I'll make a motion. Thank you. Do you have a second? Second. Jim, yes. Chuck, yes. Mary, yes. Zack, yes. And I vote yes. Minutes have been passed.

And now we will open the meeting to public comment. If there's anybody in the audience that would like to address the board on any active application, you can do so now. Giving nobody's approach, we'll close the public input and move on to the first agenda item. This is to schedule a public hearing for a subdivision and it's property at 6225 East Tap Road. Applicant here.

We're just we're just we just have a public hearing. Yeah. All right. Neil, would you propose a motion to set the date for a public hearing, please? Move for number 625 road 62 road number at 6:30 p.m. regular schedule. Thank you. Would somebody like to make that a motion? I'll make that a motion.

And do we have a second? I'll second the motion. Jim, yes. Chuck, yes. Mary, yes. Zack, yes. And I vote yes. Public hearing has been set. Next item on the agenda is site plan review. This is a continuation for a Bolton Savings Bank at 5480 and 5500 Bartell Road. We're back. Welcome back. Good. Thank you. How you doing? This is Pam Peroli. She's the president. Welcome. Heavy hitters tonight.

Welcome. Um, you have all the stuff we submitted. Majority of the items were uh Mark's comments and say the first eight or 10 or were relative to coordinating notes and dates and stuff. So, we we went through all those. We did all that stuff. So, we should be pretty well up to date on the note part. Um, then the next item was regarding the potential sidewalk. I'm going to get to that after I finish his other three items that he had. Uh, one was the material lengths and slopes on the storm system which our engineers put on. We needed the cut sheets and the light fixtures even though we had them. The issue was the foot candle level under the canopy. And there is a New York State ATM law, which I'm sure everybody is familiar with, that gives you minimums, the foot candle level. We obviously exceeded those minimums, but in the in the law, it says we must conform with zoning and planning requirements. We tried to find in your zoning and planning where it told us the exact candle levels. I couldn't find it. That doesn't mean it doesn't exist. I just couldn't find it. So I'm assuming that what Mark told us is your limit. So we redid the plans to make sure that whatever lighting we have on the canopy will not exceed the 12 candle recommendation that we should be good there. And our new drawings reflect all of that. And there were no comments from the MDR last time. And my discussion with Steve was that their only concern was are we doing the sidewalk? Are we not doing the sidewalk? Otherwise, they're okay with the building. So we should be good there. So the sidewalk is the last issue in our estimation that's on the agenda. We did go to the owner. We asked we told the owner requested us to put the sidewalk

there. I wor with Steve to say where's the best place for this because wasn't supposed to be in the right of way. Wanted to be on her property. So, we showed 145 ft of the piece that we're leasing on her property and it's right there next to the uh next to the right here next to the next to the road and the yellow line. Okay. So, that's the proposed new side. Obviously, has nothing to do with what we're doing on the site itself with the building and the parking and whatnot. So, it just sticks out just stands out there at the end of the parcel. So there it is. We talked to her. Her answer probably pretty obvious. She said she didn't want to do the sidewalk. Uh and and I think for maybe a couple reasons. One, cost. It's not in the bank's lease to do this sidewalk. The bank will do the sidewalk if it's really necessary. But uh issue gets to be liability is this. It's on her property. You know, a whole bunch of other maintenance issues. Is she going to be required to extend the sidewalk east and west? You go back to the SNC's, they always show the sidewalk in the in the right of way of the road. This is out of the way of the road. Don't know what the reason for that is, but it is. Uh, also when you look at their plan, they're showing they're showing this sidewalk being extended past the residential area. You can't physically get past the residential area until you go back out into the road right away. So, I'm not sure what the overall grand scheme of this sidewalk is going to be. Um but we showed on our plan. Guess we're saying to you this is absolute must on your

part then you know we'll do it and argue with the owner about how we handle the cost of it. uh if it's just a recommendation like that reflected and possibly not put it in now I don't know how how this great plan goes together here but you know under their their proposal they're closing the entrance proposing closing entrance to the plaza proposing closing the entrance to the restaurant and creating a new entrance right on the bank but we known that in November maybe We could have gone and made a different deal with the owner to reposition the building. Be like a roadway coming right into the bank. Visually, I'm not sure it's going to be such a great thing. You're going to drive in there. There's going to be back left to right to make that all happen. I'm sure it's just a plan, a grandio plan. But it is on paper. So, how much of it you have to take into consideration? I don't know. That's on your shoulders and your recommendation. So, we completed everything you've asked us to do with or without the sidewalk. We'd like a vote tonight than anything else going on uh to make this all happen. And uh you know, like say we did speak to the owner, spoke to her attorney, had an email from her. I I put that in the report. And number that you're beckoning call to say what do we where do we go next? So, I'm just one vote, right? And it's it's up to a majority of the board of what happens relative to the project. And the v I call it a vision. What what you know they're talking about moving the entrance sidewalk up and down the entire thing. And our objective is to meet that vision as much as possible.

And that would include getting a sidewalk from Route 11 all the way down. Whether some of it's in right away or some of it's on the private property. That'll play out as time goes by. Ideally, like I had mentioned last time, it would have been awesome to get this entire site sidewalked, but I was being nice and said that if you can't do it, you can't do it. Um, I think it should go on this parcel, the lease parcel, and that's what you're showing um from my perspective. And so, we'll open it to questions. Jim, want to jump sidewalk then anything else? Yeah, I agree. I'd at least like to see some sidewalk. So what they have right now is on their leased portion

any chance it can be extended somewhat you're not going to be responsible for for what you lease. Yes, I understand what happens when we're done in 10 years. Uh this may not be a profitable venture for the bank. I'm hoping that it is. They're hoping that it is but we're going to be if we're gone else got to take on that responsibility if it's a McDonald's or whatever the building becomes of you know the liability site

and just to be clear we have a right to look at the entire site not the lease portion but the entire site it's a parcel so we can say no we want the entire thing or we can settle for something in between would be nice you know to see more than there is but you know at least there's home sidewalk. Could I ask you a question? Sure. So, so I think the thing that I I think that we're kind of struggling with is the SMTC um inset that Joe provided. Yes.

Is is is pretty far away from our our bank leased property. Um, here's So, they've got it they've got it right up close to the roadway in the right of way. Why wouldn't that be the preferred location all the way down as it would in any community? You made that decision in conversation with Steve to put it in the property on the property. We we do both. We've done both. The problem with right and it can be done in a right away. Yeah. It's a drainage area. So

So this works better for you. This works better for you putting it on your parcel. It's beyond our lease loan. Yeah. We Yeah, we don't we don't even lease the right lease to the to the property. So then ideally for you the best answer is what you're showing with it on your lease per property. The ideal thing is not depends on your perspective. You know, we've we've dealt with sidewalk a lot in the community and we've done it piece by piece before and then sometimes the state comes in and does road work and then they put sidewalk in it. It's it's just a vision that we need to work on as we county road.

Yes. Steve is saying yes. So the county involved somehow in not if it's not in their not if it's not in you know, if it's on your parcel. But let's suppose you say the best board is in the right way. Yeah. Then you got to go back to the drawing board. We don't vote tonight. I want you to vote tonight. Whatever it's going to take. I mean, the bank is willing to do what needs to be done. It's just not for a property to decide to to to add this, you know, improvement or whatever you want to call it.

Yeah, I understand that. So then the landlord has to decide what if anything they want to do to get you as their tenant that that you may be required to do according to the municipality. But I think what you know we would envision then is a sidewalk that begins and ends to nowhere. You know, like it just would be sitting there. And so your vision then is that at some point it would continue you know in peace meal or you know correct somehow. Yeah. And we have done that. But I guess we're at your mercy. Whatever you want tell us.

Jim, we're still with you. Huh? Yeah. I mean at least what you got. That would be good if there was more, but yeah, I agree. I'd like to see little anyway. And down down the road, figuratively, it might be some more, but then like you say, when the lawyers get involved, liability, it's another issue. Absolutely. Because we're not adding any lighting out there either. So, I don't know on a foot candle level, this meets Mark's requirements. They'll give us ideas

and they'll let us know if they if they continue to the east. So, you know, right into her billboard sign. So, somebody's gonna have they got bulldozers. Somebody's gonna have to move it either into the rightway around her sign. Just little things. There a sign up there. Yeah, I saw it.

Whatever you want. It's your decision. You tell us and the bank would be more than happy to do what they can do on our lease parcel. If that's a requirement of the project, so be it. And even though the landlord doesn't like it, you have to do it. But after it leaves here, let's say you say yes, we want it and you give us approval. I don't know what's going to happen then. whose lawyer is gonna show up where, you know, but just just so you know, that that's out of our view, Mary.

Um, so when we did the strategic plan for the town and we surveyed all the people in the town of Cicero, the one thing they said is they wanted better walkability of the town. And this was, I think, where this originated from. And you have to start somewhere. Why does why doesn't the town do the sidewalks and increase the taxes? That isn't what the town residents increase taxes. No, not for this board, right?

Um but you had said because another thing that came out of that um those meetings, they wanted less curb cuts. So that's where they were looking to have just like main entranceways to retail spaces. And so were you saying that that was going to be right where we're proposing to put building? Yeah. Go directly north in that rounded. So right where this we want the sidewalk that gray it's that gray strip at the top. If they go through and you do what they're planning for what the planners are proposing,

they take that sidewalk out. So either if but it's I can't imagine the future I mean design wise and planning wise this is a great idea where we 30 years ago when they allowed the father to put this on the you know we're a little behind the times here but if you're going to do that. Yes.

And it doesn't necessarily have to go right where they're showing it. That's just a vision. Okay. And it probably won't. I mean, it makes sense though because that's the only piece of the parcel where there isn't a building. We're putting the building there because it was empty, right? That was the entry. Right. Exactly. If you knew back in November that yes, when I have this entry, you should be planning this someplace else. Negotiate a whole deal now. Yeah, that's good planning in an ideal world. We have to deal with what we have in place already. Yeah, it's up to you.

Mary, anything else? No, I but I think we have to go with what we know right now and start somewhere with sidewalks, Zack. I'm all set. Thank you. Probably. Probably. Yes. I'm suspecting Judy. uh was going to be my question um in regards to the proposed entryway and I'm very familiar with that property. Are they going to continue to have the rear entrance by the bank off of Route 11? They're going to leave that. Yes.

Yeah. None of the entryways are changing, right? The only one. So the other two um again as Mary had mentioned the thought of it is the sidewalk goes in and they go through with their proposal and they rip it out because the entryway would be what 16 ft 20 ft. It probably would go in a different location once the bank is there. So that you're looking at a technical bulletin from SMTC. It's not anything. It's it's right. I wonder where I wonder where that came from. Y right. Yep. That's where we're proposing our buildings. Yes. Where they're Okay. Oh, I see that. Okay. Cost on the other, right? Which makes a planning

and hope they're going to put a light in there, too. They got everywhere. Oh, I know. But I drive that road. But see, they're even. Yeah. Making it all come off. Okay. Which also makes sense because that's farther away from the intersection. Yeah. I mean, not not to say it wasn't a bad plan, just that we're so far down the road now that I don't know how you can implement that plan without Exactly.

Well, again, because of the vision and having walking, especially in Burton because that pl those plazas are very busy. Um, I would recommend some sidewalk myself. I see too many people walking in the street and there's a lot of uh wheelchair mo mobile wheelchairs out there. So, thank you. Thank you, Steve.

Grants for they're doing everywhere. I don't know how this falls into the whole world. You think that we we tried and we weren't selected, but we'll try again in the future. I'm also thank you Neil Mark. Mark, do we have any more comments on submission? Are we going to ask a question? Are we all set with the lease being delineated? Yeah. Okay.

We're going to vote tonight. I'm going to make a motion for our standard seeker. Do we have a second? Jim, yes. Chuck, yes. Mary, yes. Zack, yes. Can I vote yes for the seeker? It passes. Neil, would you propose a motion for approval, please?

Yes. Move the adoption of res of resolution including the segment application savings bank 5480 55 retail bank condition. this planning work required to install on the plant. And would somebody like to make that a motion?

I'll make that motion. And do we have a second? Second. Jim, yes. Chuck, yes. Mary, yes. Zack, yes. And I vote yes. You're all set. Congratulations. Welcome to Thomas Cro.

Move on to the next item. This is a continuation of a public hearing for a subdivision for Micron New York semiconductor manufacturing at 8533 Burton Road. Good evening. Welcome back. Good evening.

Thank you. John Sitigan on behalf of Micron. Um we have I don't have much to say frankly. We've addressed all of the questions and concerns. The town engineer has reviewed the revised subdivision map and approved. We're aware uh the town will have a condition that those three drainage easements that are now depicted on the map will also be documented in a separate easement to be recorded at county clerk's office that has been drafted. I gave Neil a copy to review tonight. Still being reviewed by the by the owner of the New York State lineman. So it may not be in final form, but Neil will review and approve the final form. And the county provided their review. You've seen that? I have. Yes. Thank you. Um open to questions. I'm also Jim. I'm good. Chuck is am I? Mary

all set. Zack set. Thank you. I am as well. Judy, any questions? All set. Neil, do you want to propose the seeker, please? I I I just I think we have public hearing open.

Oh, yeah. I said that. So, nobody's going to approach it. Anybody want to comment on the public hearing? Maybe nobody's approached. We will close the public hearing. Neil, would you please do the secret? We've been a resolution including the following resolution planning effect properties required to enable the construction semiconductor manufacturing statement two planning system was involved was an involved agency and the county industrial development agency for the secret lead agency review of the project issued a positive 143 determination that the environmental impact uh statement must be prepared with respect to the entire project and about June 25th 2025 accepted the draft as complete and ready for review four November 7th was complete. The agency is determination of secret finds beyond those that were studied by the situ and FBI and findings have weighed and balanced the relevant environmental impact with social economic essential considerations New York 61

that a subdivision will not envir and FBI and such effects were adequately addressed on those documents. B the requirements of part six NYRR have been met and C consistent with this consistent with social economic other essential considerations from among reasonable available. The proposed subdivision is one which environmental impact and the reverse environmental impacts to the maximum extent practical in any environmental impact will be avoided or minimized to the maximum extent practical by incorporating those mitigation measures that were identified in the satisfying for the project. And no additional measures and considerations are required by the town planning board for the reasons and those identified by FBI and finding which were adopted and incorporated and reference and reasons discussed during the town planning board's consideration of reaction findings constitute the town planning board's written statement of facts and environmental social economic and other factor standards that form the basis section 67.11.

Can you repeat that?

What was that?

I'll make that a motion. Do I have a second? I'll second. Jim, yes. Chuck, yes. Barry, yes. Zack, yes.

Vote, yes. Please road two lot of section 185 subdivision have 90 days from approval map the 90day filing dead will have expired too requires easements on one to accommodate the previously approved storm water management area storm water from the outlet of the storm management area to lot two discharge to a discharge point from one and also storm water facilities that are one reasoned to approval to plan attorney and I have approved the same any those that may happen as presented was accepted after last verifies the any necessary town and also security.

Thank you. And would somebody like to make that a motion? I'll make that motion. Do I have a second? I'll second the motion. Jim, yes. Chuck, yes. Mary, yes. Zack, yes. And I vote yes. You're all set. You're welcome. Have a good night. Next item on the agenda, this applicant is my nephew. So I'm going to be recusing myself. The vice chair Jim Dvalo will be conducting the meeting. Jim, you can stay there. And Judy Boyy as our ad hoc will come up and be the fifth vote. Hey Steve, I sure you were back there. You show

you bl Don't worry. I know better.

Good to go. Yep. Go ahead.

Uh, good evening. Steve Kelanos, Kel Reanos Engineering here representing Marzulo Landscaping um at 9160 Brewerin Road. Um this is an existing site that had a site plan previously approved a number of years ago um for the addition of a small um a building addition to an existing building that was on the site. Um that building addition is shown on the map right here. This is the former addition in the existing building. Those are there now. Um there is also gravel parking area pretty much all the way around that building. There is a storm water management pond that was built in here that has not been approved or accepted by the town yet. The SWIP that was involved in that project was actually terminated by the DEEC last year as part of their um regulation change. Um, so that's some of the items that we're dealing with here and I'll talk about that as we go along. But what is being proposed, this is a overall twoacre parcel. Um, there is an existing water service that was installed as part of the last site plan approval as well as um, electric line coming into the existing building. It's a pole barn. It's got, I think, three or four overhead doors. It's just used for cold storage um, and maintenance um, associated with the landscaping business that Mr. Marzulo has. So he has materials and equipment that are stored there throughout the year. Um and then again stores equipment uh in the winter time that he does not use throughout the winter associated with business. Um so the addition is a 140 foot by 80 foot building at the rear of the property. I know the original application I believe I noticed showed 135 by 80 originally. That's what was proposed. but he changed it to add a few feet because we did have the room provide additional space. So that that's the actual proposed addition

is 140 by 80. Um we are also proposing parking more defined parking on the site as well as a paved uh driveway and then a septic system is being proposed right here that'll serve this building. There's going to be a single bathroom in there to serve that building and that's something we have to go through the health department for approval for. We have not done the perk tests on the property yet. that's something we have to do. So that's still in the process that aspect of the project. But uh we have you know estimated worst case scenario the size of the system and what's shown on the plan is most likely what's going to be installed and approved by the county health department. Um we are working with Aqua on showing a water service from the existing water service to this building being brought back to the proposed building. Uh we're just working with Aqua on what they're going to require for a configuration with that. The existing building does have backflow prevention on the water service to it. So that has already been addressed. What the requirements for the new building are going to be. We're working back on. Um additionally, again, there is going to be a bathroom. So there's going to be sewers. There's going to be a um septic tank right out in front in the parking lot and a pump tank that's going to pump up to the septic field uh right there. And we are proposing as part of this project to replace the entire storm water management system along the northern property boundary. Um that is for two two reasons. Um based on the DEEC's language in their old permit, if the permit was terminated by the DEEC because they did not receive a request for continuation or continued coverage, um any project moving forward if it was not approved and accepted would have to be designed to the current design standards. So, that's one of the reasons why we have to provide storm water management for the proposed additions. Um, but to make it all work to today's standards and work a little bit better for the property owner, we're pro we're

proposing an entirely new system. Um, the existing pond that's there now, the bottom of it is going to be filled in. We're going to do perk tests. We have done we have done test holes to assess the soil conditions um underneath the facility, but we need to do perk tests as well as part of the design requirements. This is going to be an infiltration basin, what we're proposing. So, it'll end up rather than being a small pond with water in it all the time as is now proposed. Um, it'll be a dry facility most of the most of the year. It'll get water in it and it'll sit, you know, with water in it for a few days um after heavy rain events, but after that, it's intended that it'll dry up. Um, we are currently not proposing any sight lighting. Um there will be wall packs on the building. Um security lighting on the building. If it's something that the town is kind of adamant about, we can consider that and take a look at that. Maybe put a sight lighting pole up out in the parking lot. Um but we anticipate everything around the proposed building will be taken care of by Wallpacks that are on the outside. Um the building is intended to be private. Um the owner is building it because he has three daughters and they're all active in sports and they all struggle to find places for their teams to practice and train. So what he wants to do is have a place where those teams whether it's through the school district or Syracuse or club sports um have access to a training facility that's closely associated with the school district but not total. It's not generally going to be open to the public. They're not going to advertise, hey, bring your teams here and practice. But it is going to be open to a handful of different uh teams that are associated with the district. Um so you know whether that holds any weight with the town or not I don't know. I mean it's hard to say what happens if somebody sells this place and they decide they want to open up to everybody. Got to consider that. But um right now that's the proposal um is that

it'll be limited um to teams associated with the school district and with the owner. Um, and it's going to be used for indoor um, it's going to have an artificial turf inside and a batting cage. So, it'll be used for indoor um, field hockey, bike football, football, um, baseball with a batting cage, that kind of training. Um, we are providing parking on the site for the proposed facility. Um the town I don't believe has a specific parking requirement code number of spaces based on different types of usage uses but I believe we're providing 35 or 36 spaces on the site um throughout the spaces right along the front of the building and then the spaces along the northern uh property. Um and again there's an existing gravel parking lot up here. We're intending to keep the gravel at the front of the existing building that's still going to be used and maintained for landscaping business. U but we are going to pave the driveway drive aisle up to the rear building and then all the parking spots. Um that's what's being proposed right now. There is a sidewalk that's being proposed um as well along the front of the building. Don't show any landscaping. I'd be lying if I told you the owner didn't want to do it. He's a landscaper so he can certainly do that. Um, but again, the area that this building is in, it's an industrial area. There's um used car lotjunkyard to the to the south. Um, and then to the north, I don't exactly recall what the business was there, but there's a lot of different businesses, different uses all up and down Route 11 in that area. Um, none of them really have any kind of landscaping, at least in this area, but you can certainly add landscaping to the site. Um whether it's up front or at the building, it's up to the discretion of the board if they want us to take a look at certain areas. But putting it back at the building, it's a few hundred feet

away from the road. Nobody's really going to see much of it. Um but we can look at that. Uh and that's really the bulk of what's going on here. Um we do meet all the requirements as far as maximum coverage on the site. Um we are within all the setbacks u for the site. So everything is really we're not looking for any variances or anything. Okay. You all set? I'm all set. Okay. I'll open it up for questions. Uh I'll do it a little different because of the way we're seated. Uh we'll start with Judy.

Come down the Okay. U first of all clarify it is industrial. Well, the zoning is general commercial. Yeah. Okay. Um I'm familiar with the area and since you haven't had it perked yet, I know that several other businesses have raised beds for septic systems over there. Are you aware of that? Yeah. Um I've done another site down the road from here. Um, we have a raised bed uh on that site as well. I've done a raised bed in the area before. So, we are aware and I've advised the owner what he's likely going to get into and I've told him he's going to need a pump. Okay.

To pump up to whatever septic system he has. Right. Okay. Um, the you say the building is proposed to be a private building. So, in other words, he won't be holding any events, any competition events or to the best of my knowledge, he's not um proposing to do that. I don't think he's even proposing any kind of advertising or signage out at the road. Um he really is just looking for an option for the teams that he's involved in to not have to struggle to look for places to find field time or facilities to practice. But again, anything can happen down the road and I know the town has to consider.

Okay, what if that's why I asked about the zoning as well? Um let me think is there anything else? Uh the parking uh for general commercial Steve isn't don't we have regulations for that? There isn't a a parking standard. It's it's just general engineering practice or based on the use. Right. Okay. Yeah.

We we did a very gen generic um count um and I think the ratio is shown on the plan. I think it was one parking spot per 500 square feet of floor area. Um, and we applied that to both buildings and I think we came up with 32 or 34 and we have more than that on the site. So there would be room for his employees for his landscape business along with there. There would be room for them. Um, but really he doesn't have a lot of employees that park there for the landscape business. They all drive their own cars to their sites. Um, they come here if they've got to pick up a piece of equipment and take it to a site. But beyond that, there's really not a lot of employees that are there um that use the site to park other than themselves. Okay. Service tech.

Thank you. I'm all set. You're good. Okay, Zach. Uh I definitely think there needs to be some landscaping popped in there. Um the board tends to lean towards more landscaping than less. So, I think we should probably stick to those asks of the um would it be beneficial for the board to see that more up front closer to the road so that I mean again, yeah,

out in the back where the new building is, nobody's going to ever see that and then the people on 81 are going to see the back side of the building which is just going to be open lawn area. But we can certainly pop some some landscaping in in the front. Yeah, I think making it look nice from the road is not going to hurt anything. Also pop some trees in back sure would still be nice. Um I think for right now I think I'm good for tonight. Um go over more next time you come back. Mary,

so I am um familiar with coach Marzulo. um he coached my my son. So, and I do know there's a need to find places to practice and things. I just am concerned of having that in the same place as like is there any dangerous chemicals for the landscaping business? Not that I'm aware of. I mean, I can ask him and he can let me know, you know, for the next separate. I don't even know if this ever been done. I mean, is this something that is okay to do? It's a private building.

I mean, everything related to the landscape business is indoors. Um, with the exception of maybe a piece of equipment that might be outside, stored next to the building, but everything else is stored indoors. He does. He acknowledged that he's had other um friends that have used the facility to store things or to temporarily, you know, use for their businesses or their activities. He said everybody is being tossed out. This is going to be strictly for his landscaping business and then the athletic business in the back. Um they are going to be totally separate. Um, I would imagine any chemicals or anything that he has in storage, he's got to meet any, you know, OSHA or other environmental regulations, um, relative to the storage of those. Um, and then as far as, you know, um, visitors to the center, he estimated that probably no more than 30 at any given point in time. And a lot of those are going to be the kids. Some may drive, others are going to be dropped off by their parents. But it is just for the part participants. It's doesn't have any spectator facilities. So, it's not like he's going to have, you know, a handful of parents that are going to be there watching. It's strictly for the training.

Okay. Um, so we do have design standards for new buildings and that would you would have to comply with the design standards regardless of how close to the road it is. Sure.

Um, what about is it is there a fire hydrant nearby? Do we have to worry about that? So I did speak to Mr. Kelerinos about the the necessity from what I can tell additional hydrant. He's I believe looking into that with Aqua already because the existing hydrants won't meet the distance requirements from the new building. Quite honestly I'm not sure they do the existing building but that might have been something that was overlooked originally. Um so that's answer that question. Um, also do we need to have the ability for fire trucks to get in and out as well?

So you're you're asking my question. That's good. So if it's Yeah. So if there is in excess of 150 ft of apparatus access road, there will be need adequate turnaround for a firet truck. Yeah. So that that will also have to be looked at. And also landscaping. I agree that's part of our design standards as well.

That's all I had right now. Thank you, Chuck. I just had a couple comments. I was just wondering um they're not going to be playing the actual games there just for training. No games for it,

right? Just training um and practice. would they be uh mentioned tying in with the schools. Would that just be CNS or other schools in the area? I think right now he's really just trying to keep it limited to the people that he's involved in. Um he does coach in the school district and he has three girls that are involved in a variety of sports and he wants to just keep it limited to that. I'm sure if he's friends with a coach in a different school district, he may say, "Send your guys over if they want to, you know, practice a little bit or whatever, but it's his intent again to keep it private." And, you know, he wasn't able to make it tonight, but if he's able to make it the next meeting, he can certainly speak more to that. That'd be nice. And, you know, this is obviously a sizable building. And I'm just curious on the roof construction. There's no center supports of any type. He's working with RLS structures. Um they are preparing the drawings for the facility. So that is something that he knows he's got to submit to the town as well.

So we need to submit it as part of this package so that you guys can see, you know, again what the finishes on the exterior are going to be in the roof looks like so we can confirm the maximum height that we're proposing. Yeah. Yeah. Look look forward to getting more information. Well said. Yep. Okay. I'm good for right now. Uh Steve.

Yeah. So um we should really look into the occupancy classification and the occupancy load of the new building because you're proposing one uh bathroom facility. It may need two and then that would impact I guess your your septic design. I think that's all else we ask the other questions. Yep. The county requires all facilities have a minimum design criteria um which they which they have two bathrooms. So it'll automatically be sized for two bathrooms. Thank you. Okay, Neil. Mark. We'll do a

Okay, we're good. Thank you. Thank you. All right, that concludes our regular agenda for this evening. Uh, does any of the team have any comments? Well, I have a comment for Steve. Oh, go ahead. Some time ago, I uh brought to your attention on the corner Thompson and Taft the car dealership, you know, put that A-frame sign and such. So that ruined your line of sight. Yeah. Which made it dangerous. Seriously. Mhm. The signs had been moved, right?

I appreciate you're getting on about that, but now he's parking the cars that are for sale as far as the sign we're out. I mean, and I noticed because I go by there several times a day a lot of times. And I got to get right out into Taft Road before I can safely continue. Okay. No, we can look into that. Okay. Yeah, I appreciate it. No problem. Thank you. Any other comments? No. Okay, that concludes the meeting. Um, if we have a motion to adjurnn. Motion to adjurnn. Second. Second. That's