Planning Board - Regular Meeting

Good evening. Welcome to the town of Cisco Planning Board meeting. Judy is our newest member to the ad hoc. Would you please lead us off in the pledge of allegiance? Pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands. One nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. Thank you, Judy. Welcome. Great to have you here. Thank you, Chuck. Congratulations on your reappoint. Well, thank you. I look forward back. First order of business is the approval of the January 7th minutes. Any questions or comments? We have a motion to approve.

Motion to approve. We have a second. Second. Jim, yes. Chuck, yes. Harry, yes. Zack, yes. And I vote yes. Minister approved. Now we'll open the the meeting to public comment. If there's anybody in the audience that would like to address the board on any active application, you can do so now. Given nobody's approach, we'll close the public input and move on to the first agenda item. is a continuation of a public hearing for a three lot subdivision. Good evening, Tim Koer, Eye News and Romans. Does anybody want any smaller maps?

I'll take one. So, we were here two weeks ago.

Thank you. This is a three lot subdivision on the north side of Gian Ro and uh Shore drives. There is one existing house on the property. There's two existing tax parals and we're subdividing this into sorry three new tax parals. Lot one where the existing houses on Gong Road is uh about 25 t of an acre. Road is here. Drive over here. North is up. The river is right over here. missing house is going to go in lot one which is about 2500 of an acre. We're going to have lot three up here vacant but eventually they're soon enough we're going to be building a new house here. Lot two is going to stay vacant for however long but they will eventually build a house down over here. If you remember last time there was an existing garage in this area up here that was uh within too close to the road boundary. So it was within that uh building line setback that has been removed. We verified that. that he took it down last week. So that is gone and no longer an issue. Um and we have started the process of conveying the road to the town. Other than that, it's pretty now it's simple. [laughter] Any questions?

Neil, you're all set with a conveyance and that's going to happen with the town board. Okay. Open to questions, Jim. I'm good. Chuck. Awesome. Mary, no question. Zack, set. I'm all set as well. Mike, Judy, Steve, nothing. Thanks. You have anything additional, Mark? I'll make a motion for a standard speaker. Do we have a second? Oh, I'm sorry.

We left the public hearing open. So, is there anybody in the audience would like to address this particular item? Even nobody's approached, we'll close the public hearing and we'll continue on with the vote for the seeker. Jim, yes. Chuck, yes. Mary, yes. Zack, yes.

And I vote yes. Seeker passes. Neil, would you propose a motion for approval, please? As discussed, Rome recording of the san as provided by the empty shows. two park fees $5,000 should be right on east side of however north side of portion of the road which has never been dedicated to the town was entitled to the unmedicated portion to New York State required to make formal dedication unmedicated for shall be is a man is hereby notified that the chairman of the planning board may delay signing of the final plan until the chairman verified that execution necessary and any security or undertakings are in place.

Thank you. Would somebody like to make that motion? I'll make that motion. Somebody like to second it. Second. Jim, yes. Chuck, yes. Mary, yes. Zack, yes. And I vote yes. You're all set. Thank you. Great. Next. Next item is a zone change recommendation. This is for the property at 6668 and 6674 State Route 31 from AG to general commercial. too. Yeah. Yeah.

Property is located on Route 31. It's about There's two parcels involved in this zone thing. They're both agricultural. A total of 2 acres roughly. Each parcel be pretty much identical at an acre a piece. This actually sits right next to the garage properties and around it is northern golf course. We got a northern kind of golf courses over on the south and east side and the garage is here. There's two again this is a this is a separate tax parcel and this is a separate separate tax parcel both owned by uh uh Mr. and Mrs. Burke. They're hoping to do a zone change at this property to from agricultural to general commercial. Their plan is to put another um storage warehouse on their properties for their existing uh business. So they sell and um ship out uh storage materials like boxes and shipping uh u materials and they're just need some extra space for storage for their existing um operation. This would not be open to the public. it, you know, obviously if if this gets through and it gets approved, the the site plan would have to come through the planning board, but it's something that's for their personal business. It's not going to gain a lot of traffic. It they might uh go there a couple times a week and it'll all be employees. No uh uh no public is going to come to this uh location. They're not going to rent it out to the public. It's just strictly for their operation.

Thank you. So, this is a request for a zone change. We're going to be making a recommendation to the town board and they'll make the final decision. Um, so we can open it to questions. I just want to chat about the overlay district, right? It's the residential mixed overlay district. And from what I'm gathering, we can do the zone change if the town board so determines, but the applicant will still have to comply with the restrictions that are part of the overlay. Am I correct in that? Okay. He's show he's saying no. He's saying yes.

Subject subject to commercial development. Well, the so whatever the under zoning li uh underlying zoning requirements they'd have to adhere to, but they're not they're not implementing the overlay district requirements because that would be for a mixed residential development which is not being proposed. Right? So that overlay district is there for the use for developer who wishes to do mult to to to do mixed residential. So the law says it has to still comply with the regulations with the within the overlay. So, it was a little confusing to me and I'm not sure if it means like the architectural kind of stuff, landscaping.

It does say it's subject to all parcels within the overlay district are subject to these regulations. It it is a little confusing when it says that, but and maybe that needs to be cleaned up, but they're not implement. They're not implying that over district whatever the underlying zoning district if so granted then that is applicable and the design standards throughout the town and whatever other requirements that that's my understanding. Did you read the the law recently? Neil, I haven't looked into this. Think some of the term, but I mean that was my interpretation. Okay.

Which is interesting because they're talking about mixed use residential. This would be commercial. [clears throat] Well, let me let's talk about that for a second because this is the first time since this application's been hearing the use the use that he's describing is not permitted in general commercial districts. You're talking about warehousing and distribution essentially that needs to be at least general commercial plus. No, as we're talking here, I I remember Pat reaching out several months ago, maybe it was about these and I and I and I described it exactly that. as an applicant comes up for a change and talk about their property, you might as well not have the bound by that at all. Once you make that change to the GC you're

looking into anything that could happen on that property, whether or not that's in GC whether or That's a good thing. We went through it before, right? I mean, I can't remember the name, but yeah, we did. And then we voted was good, but then all of a sudden, I think it was the cement. Yeah, we revoted. So, does it not comply with I guess it doesn't comply, but then that's a mistake on our part. We want to go to general commercial plus to allow for because the application didn't specify. suggests for future commercial use. It didn't specify specific commercial use. And under a zone change, we wouldn't ask.

No. Well, you you could and we have, but that's Yeah, I only bring up the specifically it's asked. So, I want to let the board the current client hasn't has wants to do the property, but I understand that in theory if you don't change, sell it, do whatever. And that's absolutely up to the board to review that kind of thing. I'm just letting the applic I appreciate that. [clears throat]

Well, two things. It's definitely got to go to German commercial. So, we might have probably have to revise our application. I don't know. We probably have to come back. That's fine. We'll revive that. We'll come back. Um, but the other thing I do want to make sure we straighten out with the applicant is this overlay district stuff just to make sure they're comfortable moving forward to make sure that with the idea if they do something aware this overlay district does apply, are they aware of the restrictions, right? And even without the overlay, there's still going to be restrictions with the new covenants, you know, pulling the buildings forward, putting the park behind architectural landscape.

We really have nothing to do with it. It's strictly the town board. That's makes the decision. The town board makes decision on the zone change request. Yeah. We make a recommendation to the town board and then they do what they see fit. Then if it is approved, like Neil said, and they want to move forward, they would come back in front of this body for a site plan review. That's a first. Yeah.

So, you'll do your homework on the over overlay. That's why I brought it up. No matter what. He said he talked and you will proceed. So, okay. Yeah. I just Thank you, sir. Thank you very much. Thanks, sir.

Thank you. No, I I think what I wanted to say was these types on the zone changes and those types of things comprehens and and the town board to look at that and see what the vision was for this area. What were the recommendations this area is or any other application for that matter consistent with what the comprehensive plan said? So I don't know whether this is consistent or inconsistent but just general advice I guess is that the board should be looking at that when they're making

I think that's an excellent point. So the overlay map doesn't supersede the existing zoning, right? And if somebody wanted to do something within that existing zoning, they could. And then the overlay map is like a big vision. So if the town board thought that a zone change was reasonable even with looking at the overlay map, they can do that, right? Yeah. Yeah. I think I guess I'm just pointing out Yeah. We we do have a comprehensive plan and it's it's pretty new. Very new. So,

yeah. You what what I was thinking was first of all, it's got the uh highway grats next to it and then you got the golf course on the other side. So, with this little piece here, is it going to be a mixed juice site ever? You know what I mean? I understand. And again, not one way or the other. Yeah. No, it's a great point. Yeah, I agree with you. What's the difference between comprehensive and not comprehensive? I mean, it's more confusing. [laughter] I think Mark's saying it comprehensive plan. That's what they call that overall view of the town. You know, they did an overlay on the waterfront. There's an overlay with mixed residential use along 31.

What's that? The Brutin overlay. Yeah, the waterfront. I think what Mark was saying like more so than just the overlay part of it because that is uh something that was passed for for that use for a developer but the comprehensive plan Dave a vision for future development and that is right in my mind more than the overlay.

Yeah. I think if the overlay was meant to be implemented 100% then it wouldn't be an overlay right. It would just it would reszone the whole thing. I think it was meant to supplement what the future vision of that area was, which was more residential rural uses to allow development in a in a in a manner that didn't turn it into Route 11, Route 31, you know, in the in the business districts. I mean, if it's again, I really probably should have looked up to see what it said this, you know, I think getting out towards this area, maintaining the rural nature of the area that was in it. Yep.

Type of thing. So, if you go to a general commercial or something like that, is that achieving that goal? So I did read that. So wrong mixed use, mixed residential use, that type of thing would going to whatever zone beosed be consistent with that goal. That's all I'm saying. And again, I'm not arguing one way or the other. I'm just saying that we have a comprehensive plan, we should look at it and try and meet those goals as much as possible. Yeah. Just a quick clarification. You're talking about two different things. The overlay and the comprehensive. That's right.

Yep. Make sure it wasn't getting mixed. It's two different things. But I think what Steve was saying is the overlay was advanced. The overlay was really an advancement of the comprehensive plan. Right. Comprehensive [clears throat] plan does lays out a framework for which future actions u you know are supposed to take place. The comprehensive plan usually often will lay out, you know, you need to change code, you need to do this, you need to follow up, you know, implement these strateies, adopt these strategies. It doesn't necessarily do it, but it lays out what the goals. Does both have to be approved in order for it to

does what? You got the overlay and you got the the comprehensive. Do they both have to be approved in order to complete the process? They're they're already approved. Okay. Yeah. So, applicants have to comply based on what was approved. No, I'm glad. That's good conversation, Mark. I appreciate that. Next item on the agenda is again a zone change recommendation. This is for the property at 5370 Guy Young Road from agricultural to industrial Freeman is representative.

Is the green light on? Yeah. Oh, yeah. Let's do this.

I can project if not. All right. So, we submitted to the town board in December for a zone change. So, obviously, we're here for a um you know, recommendation. Um the project's at 55 uh or 5370 Gong Road. That's Schneider Packaging. I don't know if you guys are familiar with that facility. Um but we went through, well, I didn't actually did it a year or two ago, a subdivision. So, that's one parcel we're talking about. Um, in the wooded area in the back, which is right here, this rectangle, this is still zoned AG and the remainder of the site is industrial. So, we're looking for a zone change to turn this to industrial, this little portion here. Um, you know, we just you guys had a long conversation, but I did attach a courtesy site plan because that's our next step. Um Schneider is is you know looking to expand as as you can tell from our plan. So I'm happy to talk through that if you want to flip to it or we can we can stay on the survey.

Yeah, I think it would help to flip to it. Okay.

Yeah. So the the red outline there there the zone change of limits as discussed. Um put together a quick sketch. You can see the existing buildings you know here and here. This would be the proposed addition um pre-engineered metal building. You know, the same square footage as the existing building around 35,000 square feet and a little bit of additional asphalt. Um we've kind of we've looked at this site quite thoroughly because it's all wooded. Um and we have negative um JDs from both the Army Corps and the DEC. You know, just preemptively. We figured if we make it through the zone change and we're granted that we're going to move through with site plan and we wanted to vet those things before we got too far down the line.

All set. Yeah. Open to questions. Jim, I'm good. Chuck, I'm curious. Was there any issue with the wetlands in the uh red dot area?

No. So, it is wet back there. You know, we're not denying that. But um we yeah we had a wetland biologist perform a delineation and then we submitted all the documents to both the DC and the Army Corps and they both came back um negative. They're not taking ownership. Um it's kind of a unique parcel because it's sort of it's trapped. There's no outflows where the water goes. So they nobody took jurisdiction of it and we have those um those will be provided in the site plan period if we you know hopefully we get there. there be much uh change in traffic uh no such

no so what they're thinking is a a little bit more office space but it mainly be manufacturing floor because all of their um their stuff is kind of jumbled in that existing building right now what they do is they take in product from manufacturers they figure out the best way to pack it and palletize it and they have these robotics that they build that automates it and packs things so that's kind of what they do there packaging ing other manufacturers items. Well, they they don't even do that. They just do it to test. They just build the equipment then sell them, you know, to the manufacturers. So, they're they're testing pretty much other manufacturers products and things like that is just the most, you know, a packing uh efficiency test essentially. You guys have been there for a while, right?

Yeah, they have. I'm uh I'm not sure how long they've been there. Um but yeah, I believe they've been there a long time and business is good. So, they're, you know, they're excited to kind of take this next step. They're in desperate need of more space. And where does the uh railroad tracks in relation to that? Yeah, the railroad tracks are uh right here on that side. Yep. And there's an existing storm water facility right here. Um, so we're going to be, you know, looking at a little bit of storm water practice through this area and then ultimately sending it to this facility and enlarging if necessary once our engineer gets involved.

But there's a it's a pretty significant slope. I mean, it's not significant, but there this is essentially a hill draining down to here. Um, so, you know, I know it'll come up down the road, but we plan on leaving a buffer for the neighbors, and there's really no activity back there. you would never be able to get trucks around there or anything like that. It's just going to be graded against the building like the current condition. So, but you would have to keep in mind uh areas for uh fire equipment to get around the building, too. Yeah. So, now there's no access around the building just because of the slope, but they would be able to get right to this corner in the proposed condition. Um and then something of this size would have, you know, fire protection, things like that.

Thank you. Thank you. Yeah. All right. Um, no questions. Thanks, Jack. I'm all set. Thank you. So, as we mentioned last time, you know, this isn't sight plan, a zone change. Whatever is allowed in that district can happen there. But with that said, I'm glad you that you provide the proposed building. What I like about that is the distance that's left between the residential homes. So, if anyone that ever gets back here, I think we would like to still see that,

right? Yep. Yeah. And we'll um Yeah, I'll be personally involved in the site plan process. So, we'll have, you know, a full set of drawings with uh, you know, planting plans, existing everything. So, yeah, I don't know if that could be a condition or a comment. It wouldn't it wouldn't matter. It's going to get back before you anyways and gets heard the comment. You're going to have final look at that so to speak to go screenage. I would not let them. All right. Mike Judy, that was my thought process. Um again, but realizing

Can you use your mic please? Sorry. Realizing that it's that it is a zone change. Um the concern would be the setback for the building and the fact that it is industrial if it were industrial. The opportunity to do manufacturing in that building because it is a manufacturing project. Just the idea of the residential area that's so close behind that's just a thought. Thank you, Steve. Yeah. thoughts and recommendation.

Yeah. Do we need a secret? So, what the proposed building addition will be for? They're currently doing that. Yes. The existing building today. It wouldn't be any new. That's correct. There's no new um there's no new type of manufacturing where they're emitting something or making any more noise or, you know, anything like that. Yep. It's just more space to test, you know, product and get those robots working to expansion. Yes. An expansion. Yep. Want me to make a motion? How I'll make a motion to recommend to the town board a positive recommendation for the zone change. Do we have a second? I'll second. Jim,

yes. Chuck, yes. Mary, yes. Zack, yes. And I vote yes. Great. All set. Thank you everyone. Good night. That concludes the agenda items. Any discussion? Do we have a motion to adjourn?

Oh, sorry. I'm wondering those first few right on the list there first Well, you see 22 and 23.

It's been a while.

Yep. If they don't reply, then remove it. Good idea. Welcome. Anybody else? Yeah. I have a question for Steve. uh across from our the old farmhouse u which is behind uh McGee's old garage and that parcel there was sold not too too long ago and I don't I'm not sure what the Can you remember what the zoning is on that? You're you're referring you're not referring to where access was approved, not the plan to use. No, no, you're talking about Papa Thompson Road.

Yeah. So, there's a new connectivity going on. Is that what you're asking about? Well, this looks like a junkyard now. Well, we're working on Okay. [laughter] We've noticed and I've had lots lots of inquiries, why do we have a junkyard in the middle there? We're aware. Yep. Okay. Thank you. Anybody else? Steve, one more question. Yeah. So, with the neighbor who is concerned about the potential asphalt shingles, so if a town resident has a concern about a potential issue, where would you refer them? I mean, it's not in our scope. What What would What would they do?

It's going to be the builder that that he's going to have to be concerned about. I mean, the time the time to make that concern was probably when it was ongoing. How do we verify that that's actually the case? You know, we can't if it interfered with several in the home, then obviously going to have an issue, so bearing issues or something like that, but you know, there's asphalt shingles in the back. I don't know where you're referring to at that point, but I don't know if there isn't and I don't know if it's really an environmental, right? You know, so say there is an environmental hazard, you would say contact DC and try them. Okay, perfect. Anybody else? Do we have a motion to adjurnn? Motion.

Go ahead. Motion to adjurnn. Second. Meeting is adjourned.