City Council - Regular Meeting

Okay. I'm

gonna call the Chino City Council and the successor agency to the redevelopment agency to order. Excuse me. The date is May 12. Excuse me. Please note that all council members are present, and I'd like to ask council member Comstock to lead us in the flag salute. Thank you, mayor.

Ladies and gentlemen, will you please join me in saluting our nation's flag? Ready to begin.

I pledge allegiance to the flag of The United States Of America and to the republic for which

it stands, one nation under our god, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. Thank you, Karen. Next on our agenda is public comment. This is the time and the place for the general public to adapt address address the council on items that do not appear elsewhere on the agenda. Is there anyone in the audience that would like to address the council on an item that is not listed?

Okay. Seeing we'll move on to item number one, College Park Roundabout Fountain. This is gonna be a presentation providing an overview of the circumstances that led to the current condition of the fountain, the history of the area, and the options for the next steps. Our staff reports this evening will be provided by our deputy director of public works city engineer Albert Espinosa, and our director of public works Hyjin Lee.

Thank you. Good evening, mayor and council. Before Albert gives his presentation, I will give you a little bit of a background on how we got here tonight. So, there has been total of five infrastructure committee meetings on this topic, and each time the team would receive comments from our infrastructure committee members, and we dig deeper into the history and documentations on College Park. So, those meetings began on March 2025, May 2025, June '25, and then we skipped over to July, and then finally last meeting was January 2026.

So, each time we received feedback from the committee, we have gone through the the book. Design guideline, which has a very detailed documentations of who is responsible for what, and who is responsible for construction and maintenance, and who and what HOA is responsible for. So, I want to give you that background, and Albert will go through the series of slides on how we got here.

Thank you, Hajin, for the introduction, and again, good evening mayor, council members, and community members here with us tonight. We are here to talk about the College Park Fountain located at Eucalyptus Avenue, Oaks Avenue, and College Park Avenue. We're gonna talk about what happened to the feature, what does the history and documents of College Park tell us, and we're gonna explore potential next steps on this community arrival within the College Park community. So, first question to ask and answer is what happened to the fountain? There was a malfunction in 2024 and damage occurred to the equipment found inside the underground vault.

The College Park Homeowners Association had been responsible for the maintenance of the fountain through their contractor and they requested assistance from the city. The image on this slide is from 2008, which was provided by one of the contractors who originally worked on this fountain. And, the original fountain did have this Bellagio feel to it, but it also did waste water with excess evaporation and the monthly operation and maintenance costs were quite high according to the contractor. Based on information and details provided by some of the contractors we reached out to, the equipment vault flooded again in 2024 due to some broken plumbing lines, which submerged the electrical boxes along with the rest of the equipment found within the underground vault. One contractor asked the city team if we knew if periodical testing was occurring on the pumps, which should have prevented this, but unfortunately we didn't have that information because the maintenance is done by the College Park Homeowners Association.

But, one thing to point out is the fountain was built in 2007, and the typical life of some of these pumps is about ten or twelve years, so a lot of this equipment had already surpassed its life expectancy. So, the image on the right is from the entrance to the underground vault, just located north of the fountain, and this image is from winter of twenty twenty five where water is getting into the underground vault when it rains and eventually the water evaporates or seeps into the ground slowly. The city contractor vertical pools were able to go into the vault last year to investigate and provide some insights to the city. The contractor went into the vault when it was dry and had the proper confined space equipment to be down there. These images show the electrical systems along with water damage, which warrants full replacement of the electrical boxes along with some transformers and the wiring.

There are four pumps for this system. Pump one was disconnected a couple years back and the intent of that pump was for the four box structures that create a spillover effect in the fountain area. And previously, there was also a spray with a single streamer from what is now the potted plants and that change out happened sometime between 2016 and 2019 to go from the single streamer sprayer to the potted plant area. Pump two drives the movement of the fountain water by returning water to the various PVC floor tees found within the fountain floor, and pump three brings the water to the fountain bowl itself and filters the water. Due to the flooding and damage, the contractors mentioned that the pumps would more than likely require replacement.

Switching to the fountain feature itself, it's showing its age and wear and tear because of time. The fountain, again, being constructed in 2007, it has some cracks and water damage on the fountain. The wear and tear is amplified because there's no more water sealant on the concrete structure. Because again, it's almost gonna be twenty years since it was first constructed. So, a lot of those things have, you know, with nature just gone away.

The lighting and wiring would need to be replaced around the fountain because it's been either vandalized or it was more than likely shorted out with the vault flood. The fountain flooring is concrete and there appears to be no more water sealant there as well. And so the finish is, you know, you typically have some sort of water sealant for pools. In these pictures, can see that the wire mesh is exposed on the floor and part of the concrete is already peeling and breaking. Again, it's just showing its age and wear and tear.

Two of the contractors we met out at the site had concerns regarding the surrounding of the fountain area if the water was to be turned on again because there's no more, again, water sealant. There appears to be some small leaks around the larger concrete area as it circles the feature. Preliminary estimates by two contractors on the top of the table are quotes that the College Park Homeowners Association received and those contractors only work with private entities. A project of this type, if the city would take this on, would involve prevailing wages, city insurance requirements, traffic control around the circle, and other equipment to remove what's there, confined space equipment, and safety for the vault. The work involved will need new electrical work, upgrades to new pumps, and plumbing replacement.

And again, the project would involve going through the formal bid process because the work would be over $220,000 threshold set by our city's procurement policy. The second estimates are more informal. The public works team did reach out to two other contractors. Again, we didn't go through the formal bid process. They were just more of a visual estimate of what they saw out there once we walked the site.

Again, these costs also do not include redesign work, structural work, sealant, and pressure testing to confirm if the plumbing lines may require cutting up the street because it may be broken. So again, that will bring the cost to repair this potential feature that's as it is today, maybe just over a million dollars, if not a little bit more. Advanced Aquatic Technology, who actually helped design the fountain, said, you you would more than likely need a full redesign and vertical pools advised getting quotes to basically start over and stated they would hate to see this fountain feature removed, but the pricing is really high for a project of this magnitude in today's cost for the type of equipment, redesign, and reconstruction required to bring it up to what it currently was before it failed. So that's a little bit about the history of, you know, what happened to the fountain. So the next questions that came up was, you know, whose whose ownership and responsibility is this to replace or fix the fountain?

So, with the planning team's help, they provided the road map to public works, and we investigated several documents, and a lot of these are in front of you, which is the College Park specific plan, the College Park development agreement, the DA. We looked over the College Park design guidelines, and then we also looked at the Master Declaration of Covenants, Conditions, Restrictions and Reservations, and the CC and Rs to kind of get an idea of the whole picture of College Park and who's responsible for maintenance and operation of of these types of things. So, again, it was a deep dive, but it was good to kinda get an understanding of how we got here, and we'll continue some more. So, these images show pages from the College Park design guidelines showing the two community arrivals as one as a water feature found at the roundabout at Oaks College Park and Eucalyptus Avenue, and the green garden spaces found at the intersections of Eucalyptus Avenue and Mountain Avenue. Again, this is another slide showing the College Park design guidelines, which shows who constructed certain improvements, the ownership and maintenance responsibilities.

Highlighted in red is a community arrival which shows a master developer who at the time was SunCal, who constructed these community arrivals and the ownership and maintenance of the arrivals belonging to the College Park Homeowners Association per this document. On this slide, the ownership of the street systems such as Oaks and Eucalyptus as well as the roundabout was conveyed to the city when the map was recorded or by separate instruments, and the city council accepted these public improvements many years ago. This makes sense with the statement that the city would maintain the pavement and sidewalk only at the bottom image. There's a little number two number there where, again, the ownership, again, of the roundabout itself is the city's, but the main would be the homeowners association where the city would just maintain the pavement and sidewalk around that area, making the landscaping and the feature itself the responsibility of the homeowners association. These two slides provide the details for the streets around College Park and The Fountain, the streets of Oaks, Eucalyptus, and College Park joining at the traffic circle, and in fact, these are city streets for the various instruments which were recorded at the county, and some of the other instruments that were added was where Chaffee College also dedicated part of their streets running their area.

So, these two slides provide more of those details around College Park and again, around the traffic circle, basically saying, in fact, these are city streets for the various instruments that have already been recorded through the county and things that were deeded to us from College Park. And then, this is where I wanna get into the detail where there was no separate instrument which officially dedicated the fountain in the roundabout to the College Park Homeowners Association. So, that never occurred. This makes the fountain feature itself the city's feature. It is our ownership, so we own it.

And throughout the years, the Homeowners Association was responsible for the maintenance of the community arrival for the various documents, and the HOA's contractor performed this maintenance for this specific feature. So, again, even though the other document mentioned it should have been owned and maintained by the HOA, there was never a recorded separate instrument that said, hey, this will become College Park's feature. So, that was one of the things where we kept going back and forth. Well, who owns it? Who's responsible?

Ownership of this feature similar to street trees, the lights, which are city assets are owned by the city, but maintained by the College Park Homeowners Association. So, more history that we were digging up with, again, the help from our planning team and Lennar. So, staff met with Lennar's team last year, Lennar the developer who's responsible to build an equestrian bridge crossing the Cypress Channel adjacent to Edison Avenue. Lennar has had challenges with Army Corps, San Bernardino County Flood Control, and specifically the homeowners located east of the channel, making this proposed amenity a bit infeasible. The challenges are the foundational loads that would be put on the channel walls for the Equestrian Bridge because of its size.

The second is the channel joining the Cypress Channel, as you can see in this picture, just joins in right there South of Edison. So, that makes it a little bit of a challenge where it would have to be pushed further south. If we push that further south, we could put it on some higher foundations where it would be on the walkway, but then that would lift things up and part of the wall would also be impacted or it would have to encroach into there. Lennar had spoken with those homeowners found east of that wall adjacent to the channel about this equestrian bridge and the conversation was not positive where they did not want anything encroaching or having that wall for any reason to be shifted or moved. So, the developer and various staff, including public works, planning, we reviewed the conditions of approval, the development agreement, the design guidelines, the CC and Rs, the community facilities district, which is CFT 2,000 and five-one, which includes all the public facilities, and other documents to see what actually triggered the development, the developer to design and construct this equestrian bridge crossing.

So, those documents did not specifically say that an equestrian bridge must cross. However, the College Park specific plan discusses the connectivity of equestrian trails throughout the community, but does not specifically state that a bridge for an equestrian bridge should happen over the Cypress Channel. So, these exhibits in the College Park specific plan, the community trails plan show two arrows pointing at each other right where the channel's at. So, you have the dash line in purple, which is the College Park Trail, and you have the regional trail in solid purple implying some sort of connectivity. There is a sidewalk along the bridge adjacent to Edison Avenue that currently creates that connectivity for users going east and west.

So, talking some more with city planning staff and the Lennar team, we believe this requirement may have come about because of the potential horse riding arena that was called out in the general plan back in from 2010 that there was supposed to be some sort of connectivity there to lead you to that horse riding area. But in talking with planning staff as well as our city manager, going back in history, SCE said no to that concept and idea and they have the final say so what can be constructed within their easement area. So, again, that was more of that history research that we were doing. Now, going back to that crossing along Edison Avenue, city staff did hire consultant to conduct a pedestrian, bicycle, and horse study from Monday, February 23 to Sunday, March 1 for twenty four hour periods to see how many specific users currently cross along that southern sidewalk South of Edison on Cypress Avenue. So looking over a week's worth of data, we do see a lot of good pedestrian activity and peaks usually occur during the mornings when individuals are out there on their walks and also on some Saturdays and Mondays.

Monday was an interesting one, but we do have a lot of pedestrians, bicyclists. The only thing we don't see are any horses, and in speaking with College Park board members and the property management team, it's rare to see horses in that area, perhaps one or two within a couple of years. Again, digging a little bit deeper, we did find the amendment to the College Park development agreement, which this occurred in 2011, which talked about the developer providing $300,000 to the city, which we did receive and we confirmed with our financing that we have these funds. And these funds were meant for the horse riding area, which was never designed and constructed. Per the development agreement, council can choose to redirect those funds to other recreational amenities within the College Park vicinity, you know, perhaps for the parks or other features, again, specifically for College Park.

As we dug a little bit more, another item identified during our research was the ownership status of Constellation Park. While Olympic Park was dedicated to the city and fee through the track map, Constellation Park remains owned by Lennar and even though both parks are maintained by the homeowners association under the development agreement, the College Park Design Guidelines and the CCNRs, that Constellation Park was never officially transferred over to the city and we confirmed this by running a title report. So, currently the city holds an easement for park purposes at Constellation Park per the map, but not official ownership and Lennar did confirm this. So, as part of next steps moving forward, Lennar would prepare the necessary legal instrument to transfer ownership of Constellation Park to the city if the council chooses to move forward with something like that. But, that is something that was missed many many years ago and as we dug up deeper into College Park, we were finding more things as things moved along.

So, next steps. So, where do we go from here? So, we're gonna present six options, you know, for the council to consider, and staff will make a recommendation so we can potentially move forward with some sort of redesign and reconstruction of the feature at the roundabout. We have six options because, again, we had so many meetings and we talked a lot about everything and anything, and I wanted to make sure we captured all that so the council sees everything that was discussed. So, option one would have Lennar design and construct the new feature with a faster timeline because they have a design team on board who can assist with preliminary renderings and they can prepare the redesign of the new feature with city staff, of course, plan checking when submitted.

This would also be able to bring on board a contractor sooner than it would take the city to do so. And the ownership and maintenance would fall on the College Park Homeowners Association, which follows with the previously approved documents intended. And Lennar would prepare the legal instrument to dedicate the future to the Homeowners Association. The City of Chino would lead the public outreach and partner with Lennar and the College Park Homeowners Association to receive feedback from the College Park community to see what the future could be. This would also replace Lennar's commitment to fund the design permitting and construction of the Cypress Equestrian Crossing.

Lennar would provide the city plans and specs for the city team to review and enter into a public improvement agreement once they're ready to start construction. Option two, Lennar designs and constructs a new feature similar to option one. The only difference here is the city would own the feature, but College Park Homeowners Association would continue to maintain it. That's similar to what's in place now, where the city does own the feature today, but we would continue to ask the Homeowners Association to continue the maintenance after we go through the public outreach, continue to have Lennar go through the process of construction, of design construction and the public outreach. So, that's option two.

Option three is similar to the previous options where Lennar designs and constructs a feature. The only difference here is the city owns and maintains the feature moving forward. So, this is a little bit different than what's in place right now. And if the council elects to assume ownership and maintenance responsibilities, it's important to note that the development agreement and the development and maintenance agreement with the College Park Homeowners Association is modeled after the existing agreement with Lewis and the preserve. So, choosing this ownership and maintenance approach represented in this option, and I'll talk about option six later, will set a precedent for Preserve Master Maintenance Corporation, the PMMC, to request similar arrangements with the city in the future if we go down this route.

So, maintaining these amenities would require support from the city's general fund and the associated costs would be higher than what the HOA is currently providing. These master plan communities were originally designed so that their amenities and features would be maintained within their own neighborhoods, helping ensure that the cost of upkeep would not place any additional burden on the residents and property owners throughout the rest of the city. Again, that was the intent of the development agreement. I'm just reading what was stated in there, but again, that's option three. We have three more options, but I also wanna run through some of the initial AI preliminary images that the Lennar team kinda put out there if we were to, you know, shrink what it would look like.

Again, this is very basic, but we do have other options that they came up with some preliminary concepts, also prepared by Lennar's design team, which shows more of a majestic tree in the middle with some decorative panels which serve as books with educational themed lettering and simple planting for lower maintenance costs. This concept, option two, provides a seven foot diameter sphere with water flowing around it, complemented by surrounding clean looking landscaping and sculptural elements with a drought tolerant element, and it creates a visual focal point that can be enjoyed by motorists traveling through the area and other businesses through there. This final concept has more of a static tower at the center with drought tolerant landscaping around it. These concepts are intended to give that College Park community a range of ideas, so we can consider and explore thoughts and themes once we have that public outreach of what this feature could potentially become down the road. So, we'll get into the other options that we also talked about because we wanna make sure we cover everything.

Option four, the city would take the lead by hiring a design firm to prepare the conceptual designs, develop the legal descriptions needed to dedicate the feature to the College Park Homeowners Association, and produce the final construction plans and specifications. The city would also continue to lead the public outreach, and to begin this effort, the city would need to issue an RFP request for proposals to select the qualified design firm. Once the plans and specs and documents are prepared, then we would do an invitation for bids to bring on board a contractor to start the work. Because funding would come from general fund, this process is expected to span two to three fiscal years or maybe even longer. Under this option, ownership and maintenance of the future would remain with the College Park Homeowners Association and consistent with the College Park design guidelines.

The city team would still operate under the understanding that Lennar is responsible for the equestrian bridge crossing. However, no timelines currently established and as noted previously, this work's not included in any of those documents that they have to do the Cypress crossing. Option five, the city constructs, the city owns and maintains. So, very similar to option four, city takes the lead in construction, design, this would be general funded and again, the only difference here is the city owns and maintains the feature. And option six is similar to four and five where the city owns, maintains, and constructs this feature.

And similar to option three, this could potentially create some sort of precedent for the PMMMC and even College Park Homeowners Association to potentially make a similar request of the city in the future. So, if the city decides to take on the construction of the roundabout feature, we should talk about some of the CIP projects in the area, which are in the queue. So, first is a capital project currently anticipated for next fiscal year, and that is the pavement improvements on Edison Avenue from Cypress Avenue to Euclid Avenue. This work includes grind and overlay for the roadway and we reconstruct the ADA ramps and other related infrastructure to meet ADA standards. We anticipate to award the design of this on June 2, so that's coming around the corner.

And the team intends to advertise a project for construction first quarter of twenty seven and with the goal to begin construction second quarter of twenty seven. So, that's just one of the CIPs around the area. A future capital project the public works team is also evaluating involves safety enhancements in the area of the circle. We've received requests to install street lights at the intersections leading to Ayala Park, which would also require upgrades to curb ramps and crosswalks. The team also is considering pedestrian activated flashing beacons at the traffic circle, and then updating signing and striping to support that traffic calming around that improved area, and maybe even some bicycle facility improvements.

So, these improvements would be scheduled after the traffic circle feature work is completed to avoid any conflict. But, if the city council decides to have the public works team take the lead on the design and the construction of the proposed roundabout feature, this can now be part of a bigger CIP for the entire area.

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So, on this slide, I want to talk about the water features the city currently maintains. So, these are smaller water features currently maintained by our city's contractor vertical pools. So, we have the library fountain along Central Avenue, the River Of Life Fountain located by Owens Bistro, the water feature at the Fred Aguilar Square and the Monte Vista Splash Pad, as well as the next to the neighborhood NAC, the NAC, we have the water feature around our transportation center. So, these are smaller water features maintained by the city's contractor and the annual cost for these routine maintenance is about $33,000 That's just for routine maintenance, that's coming from general fund. And again, these do not include any things if the pumps go out, if there's some major work that does need to happen.

We just recently had a pump replacement and that cost was about a little bit over $1,500. But again, smaller water features that aren't as big as what could potentially be at roundabout. But again, I wanted to have all this information so the council has all the details of what we are also currently maintaining in that area that's under our prelude. So, on this slide is a summary of all the six options, with option two being the recommendation by staff with the steps to have Lennar and their consultant team prepare the conceptual designs to be used for the public outreach with the College Park community. The Lennar team would prepare the plans and the specs and have their contractor construct the new feature, of course with city staff oversight during the entire process.

The city would own the feature as it is today, but we would wanna keep it consistent with the documents that the maintenance would be by the College Park Homeowners Association, and this would be very similar to what's already in place where College Park Homeowners Association currently maintains the city's landscaping, parks, street lights, and trees, which most of that's also on the public right of way. If option two is approved by the City Council, the city would enter into a MOU, a Memorandum of Understanding, with Lenard to memorialize next steps with the City Manager or Public Works Director being the one to execute the agreement, And we can always come back in the future to the council to talk about timelines, progress, and community input. Either way, we do want community input, so that's something that we will come back. Unfortunately, the contact with Lennar sends his apologies. He's not here tonight.

He called me this morning because he and his family have a bad stomach bug. So, he's been at every meeting for infrastructure, so he does, he's very apologetic, he really wanted to be here, but I asked him not to be here because I don't want him to get everyone else sick. And we do have members from College Park here, and pretty much this ends the presentation. We're here to answer any questions that council or the community may have. But again, there's a lot of information, but we did have five infrastructure meetings and we wanted to make sure we captured everything that was discussed. All the options, all the potential what ifs could or couldn't happen. So that's the presentation.

Thank you very much. Prior to counsel questions and comments, I'm gonna open it up to the public. Is there anyone in the audience that would like to address the counsel on this item? Stubby?

Good afternoon, counselors. So there's a lot to address in the report, but I'll try to hit on some of the major things. To start with, this was a ridiculously over ambitious project from the very beginning. In 2000 approximately 2017, and there are no records. There's no there's no plans.

There's no permits. There's no nothing. Lennar went in and and took out the cascading arcs. There was 12 cascading arcs and concrete spheres around the perimeter. I'm not sure why, which was really the only feature only water feature you needed there.

The central the the central fountain pumps, probably those fountains that they showed you throughout the city is probably a 100 times the volume and a 100 times the horsepower to operate all of that fountain. It it's just ridiculously over ambitious. Personally, I don't like the underground vault. I don't think anybody does. I think if you redesign it, you should redesign it with I know College Park wants a water feature.

Right? But you could do, smaller water features, maybe four at each approach, that use cascading water. Cascading water is water that's lifted to a bowl, and then it can run down the face of something or trickle or spot or whatever you want. The reason for that is you can use submersible pumps. You we take pumps that are just submersible, and you eliminate the vault completely.

The vault's in a bad spot, and there's no access to it. And it's probably going to leak again because it's the vault is deeper than the the storm drain that it drains into. So the ownership, the northwest quadrant of that, well, of the entire fountain the fountain and the sort of is in Ayala Park, as is almost all of Oaks Avenue, the west half of Oaks Avenue, and almost all of College Park Avenue. None of that stuff was ever needed. It doesn't need to be.

It's a public street because it's maintained by the public. However, there are, of course, as you probably remember, restrictions on that land. That land was given to us. Was a grant made from the state legislature. It has to be owned by the city and used for public recreation.

So you couldn't give that northwest quadrant away. They mentioned the and there is. In the design guidelines, there is that one sentence that he highlighted that says it'll be owned by the HOA. But that's the only place you find that in three other places, including, resolution 2,004 dash 22. I'm pretty sure that's the number, which was the resolution that city council passed in that resolution.

All of the property that's developed and improved with trails, parks, feature fountains, landscaping along public right of ways. All of that was supposed to be dedicated in fee simple to the city. And a whole bunch of it hasn't. Not just Constellation Park, but we have trails and we have landscape areas that are supposed to be dedicated to the city as well as, well, actually, the fountain is. It's partially owned by Isola Park on the hard dedication, and then there's public right of way dedications from the college and from Lennar on the south and east sides.

You cannot have a landlocked parcel. If you give Lennar ownership of that fountain, now you have to provide them with access, and access is generally private road access such as a driveway. There's no room for that. In addition, it's in the middle of what we call a circular roadway. In circular roadways, you're not allowed to have anybody crossing the roadway with the exception of maintenance.

And that's something that no one's ever addressed. Personally, I tried to get the guy who maintained it was just a pool company to park in the bus turnout there to the south, but he insisted on parking on the thing. We've had, and I'm sure Jerry can tell you, we've had, I don't know how many times people have, run their vehicles in and damage the landscaping and the signs around that simple thing. It needs to be reworked. Personally, I would vote for making it something static so it's easy to maintain, so there's less chance of any future problem like this.

We wouldn't be here if there had been a proper, maintenance guide. When you buy a car or when you buy a refrigerator, the law requires, guess what, you got to get the manual along with it to tell you how to operate it and how how to maintain it. And that's standard procedure in public works also. Anything mechanical comes with an operations and a maintenance guide. None of that was followed.

Those type of pump systems need constant maintenance. I would assume that the minimum preventative maintenance schedule, the hard maintenance schedule for something like that vault, obviously, I can't go down and look at it, would be no less than once a month. And I think all of that stuff needs to be considered. I think we need to minimize it. If you're going to have a water feature, try to do something that can be done

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Stubby, can you wrap it up?

Okay. Try to keep it above ground. The electrical is already above ground. And with modern lighting technology, which we're required to use now, you could actually use color changing lights in there, and it operate, you know, a hundredth of what we were paying before.

You very much, Thank Mr.

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Is there anyone else in the audience that would like to address the council on this item? Yes, sir.

Good evening, mayor and council. I just wanted to take a moment to, thank Albert. We have a number of meetings.

Excuse me. For the record, you have to state your name, please.

My name is Larry Viera. And again, I just wanted to thank Albert and his team. We had a number of meetings in regards to this fountain, dug very deep into the history of it, as well as, you can tell, some other areas as well where we had some concerns. For the most part, as College Park HOA, we don't mind maintaining the facility. We certainly don't want ownership.

Ownership is something that's going to require capital improvements. And as you heard, these fountains only last ten to fifteen years. You start to have to monitor them very closely about eight, nine years in operation and start making that evaluation. When do I need to start changing components? But certainly by the time it gets to fifteen years, you're talking about all the pumps, pretty much all the valves, maybe even the vibration isolators and things like that, maybe even some electrical components.

So those components are very costly. The other thing that concerns me a lot is the rules and the laws have changed. That underground vault is a confined space now. Technically, any one of our service technicians that go in there needs to be suited up. It needs to be treated as confined. We need to have a person up above, person down below. Adds a tremendous amount of cost to that, you know, maintenance. What he would like to see is everything above ground. Reduced the size of these pumps can be done dramatically because we don't need to have that much horsepower to push that much water. So I I'm fully with with Albert in in agreement.

I would certainly like to make sure that I am part of the design review team just so that I can make sure that, you know, the HOA understands what it's getting into. And then I'd also like a commitment with the city so that we have a partnership there, meaning that we have some kind of quarterly inspections or some kind of inspection process that's meaningful, keeping us on point, keeping the city on point, making sure we're doing our due diligence. And that's it. Thank you.

Thank you, Larry. Yes, ma'am. Please come forward.

Thank you, mayor and council. My name is Ruth Tan. I am actually the board member for Morgan Square, which is the closest College Park community to the Turnabout. I actually didn't know any of this history until today, until mister Espinosa spoke, but, there was some of the other board members. We were wondering if the fountain could be more feasible wise and still look aesthetically pleasing to the community.

But our concern is that if it's solely all the city's property and ownership and member and, maintenance versus all of College Park because College Park is a little bit further away from the turnabout, so we are also wondering maybe the college could help with the maintenance fee, the realtors or the church or even Ivy at College Park, which is not really part of College Park. But besides besides just solely College Park because our HOA fees are already tremendous and already a lot, So that was just a concern of ours. So but we do like the water feature, and we would like it a little bit more simple so that the maintenance wouldn't be so much. Thank you. Thank you very much.

Anyone else? Okay. Then we'll go to council comments. Okay. Karen?

First of all, I want to thank Albert for a well presented historical perspective on all these things. I'd like to address the lady that spoke last. I'm sorry, but you're coming into this like eight months late. All the things that you've asked tonight, man, those those were all thoughtful, and we've discussed them. So, the answer to that is no. I mean, even Doctor. Shannon's the same way. Doctor. Shannon at Chaffey College has already asked us like, Hey, when are going to turn on our fountain? He calls it his fountain even though they don't want to contribute to it, right?

But, it's an aesthetically big component of the front of the college there. So, I've spent a lot of time in the weeds on this project with our staff over the past eight months, and this is how we've gotten here. Everything from who owns it, who maintains it, who this, who that, including Larry. So, I want to guarantee not just the public here today, but including the press that's reporting on this. There's been a lot done in researching this.

And we have vetted almost every single option on this. We also recognize that not just the community is interested in maintaining a water feature there, but not one that is robust. I think at the time this was a very grandiose idea, but we probably didn't give a lot of thought to how it would be impactful in maintaining it. We've talked about before how easy is to build something, but maintaining it is more challenging. Also, that we made a commitment to a college with the feature there, to a future developer who we asked to orient food eateries that are going to be there in the future.

There's a lot of competitive interest there in this component to the entry of College Park. So, without really boring the rest of the public on my comments here, I do support the staff's recommendation tonight. I think it's the best recommendation, having really tried to vet this the best way. The swap of the construction with Lennar, especially based off the pedestrian count there and how that has continued to develop, I think that was a well thought out idea with a questioner at one point, but now we know that it's really primarily being used by people. Ownership by us, it's not really feasible to try and say that somebody else is gonna own this where it's located for all the reasons that have been stated here tonight.

And an agreement, a mutual agreement between the College Park HOA and the city of Chino for more proper oversight to maintenance and continuity in this asset moving forward. So, we have a lot to do in also just making sure that the HOA there we don't have I think really another thing that came out during this was really well thought out agreements that have been solidified in oversight and maintenance to these areas, not just in College Park, but also to other areas in the city. So, has opened our eyes to other operations as well. But to sum it up, I think item recommendation number two by the staff, with everything that we've been through on this, to me, is the best option that we have with this asset. That concludes my comments, mayor.

Thank you.

Thank you very much. Mark?

Okay. So my and this can be hard to answer, know, because we don't even know what's going to be there, right? So I mean, to ask what it's going to cost to maintain a fountain out there, we really don't know because the reality is we have no concept of how big it's going be, what the design is going be, or what have you. But I will say this. I used to live just outside of College Park, and then I moved into College Park.

And when I did that, my property taxes doubled. Okay? And I have a CFD that is thirty years, which is for the roads and the infrastructure, which everybody in College Park pays for as well. And then I also have services and police services, which is forever and never ends. Now my understanding is we collect about 2 and a half million dollars every year for just College Park for police and services.

But the reality is we don't get a dedicated police officer there, just like we don't get a dedicated police officer in the preserve, but they pay for it as well. And we, as an HOA, pay for the maintenance of our parks, the maintenance of all the landscaping, the lighting and what have you. And all that 2,500,000 goes into the general fund. Okay? And I always keep hearing from people all the time, well, we always said that College Park and the Preserve, that the city was never going to pay for them.

They had to pay for themselves. They are paying for themselves. So to say that the city can't shell out, let's say, 30,000 or $40,000 a year of what they already pay into the general fund to help them offset their costs, I think, is not a good representation of what they pay for because over and above they pay $2,500,000 to us for services, and we never want to give them any services. We want the HOA to pay for it. And I think this is an opportunity where we should reach into our general fund because we're taking that money from them and putting it in the general fund.

So I think it's only a fair option for the city to maintain it because they pay for it. And I think to burden and just like like she said, to burden us with additional costs over and above what we already pay in our taxes, I don't think proper and I don't think it's fair. And that's all I have.

So I'm sorry, Mark. When we were talking about this in some of our meetings, did we talk about dedicating some of the money that they paid to the fountain?

Or No. We we we never discussed that. That that's just coming up in

the Okay.

Question, Linda, real quick before I ask the other council members. The comment that Mark just made, that 2 and a half million dollars that comes from College Park HOA now to the city, did the HOA ever maintain the fountain? Yes. And it came out of that 2 and a half million or is there other

That that it's it's 2,100,000 ish. 2.1. But, yeah. And then, that's the services CFD that's paid in College Park. There's also the services CFD that's paid in the preserve. That's about 2,500,000. So, we've got two of those that are coming that help us as the city to pay for all services that we provide within the city when we add the extra residents into our community. So, it goes for everything. It goes for public works, it goes for PD, to maintain what we have. Because everybody who has moved in to College Park in the preserve, they can use everything within our community.

They can't they don't just have to stay in the Preserve or College Park and use those activities.

Right.

So, yeah, Mark, those are backwards. So, it's about 1.4 in in the Preserve and one point I'm sorry, 2.4 in the preserve and 2.1 in College Park.

Okay. But

So the the cost that they paid previously to maintain their fountain came out of their own HOA cost. That's correct.

That's correct.

Historically, that has always come out of that fund. So that wouldn't be any different now.

That well, that's correct. But I don't know what they paid. Larry might know. But I can imagine it was a lot of money to maintain that fountain because it was so big. And the electric costs, the water costs, all of it. I can imagine that that was a lot of money. So, we put another fountain in there that's smaller and more manageable and I think that's why Larry wants to be on the committee to vet that so we can make sure and we don't know what it's gonna be yet. But if College Park HOA representatives are on there, we can talk about the cost which we won't have to bear because that'll be Lennar. And then we can talk about the maintenance so that we can design something that will be fitting within their HOA what they pay because I can just imagine what they were paying.

Yeah. I know, like, in some roundabout way we talked about this during some of our meetings because we also talked about these costs that Mark was talking about, and with the new agreement, putting a line item in there that would say, hey, this is going to go to maintenance, as well as collecting some money and no you know, with the money that they pay because we know now that we are gonna have to collect a fund to maintain it and perhaps even improve it moving forward. That was one of the discussions we had. I don't think we fully vetted that discussion because of, like, the confusion about, you know, ownership and different things. But to Mark's point, I I I do agree with that.

I I I thought we were headed in the direction, you know, the recommendation of us owning it, working with them, solidifying an agreement, you know, to maintenance when we find out what it is, and us making sure that we collect the appropriate money to maintain this fountain moving into the future. But, again, we've had a lot of discussions about this project.

And then also, to piggyback off of that, I know that we're talking about the addition of people that come in into the city. But the reality is they still pay property taxes like everybody else in the city. So this is over and above what they already pay in property taxes, which is what everybody pays. When I literally lived across the street, I didn't pay a CFD. And then when I moved over here, I paid a CFD.

But the development came, what, three years after maybe? And we were just outside of College Park, we weren't included in that. So, I mean, it's not just that they're paying 2,100,000 that goes into the general fund, but they're also paying their property taxes, also goes into the general fund. So, I mean, this is a community that does pay well above a term that I hate to use, fair share. So, I mean, and we look at it all the time, like, we can't go out into our general fund to pay for something that that's in their in their age, but their money goes into the general fund.

Yeah. And I I think to Mark's point, we've talked about this. This is part of the reason this is in front of, like, the entire council tonight. Because I even said to our staff, like, I I recognize, like, what they're saying. Like, we set a bad precedence if we say, the fountain is ours. But, I mean, this this is, you know, it it it's it's on our land. It's weird to me that in our in our right of way, we say the fountain's ours, but in this particular asset that somebody else has to maintain it that's already paying to it. So at one point during these meetings, like, well, why don't why don't we just maintain it then? Why don't we just do it? I I really don't understand the right way to go on this, but these are all conversations we've had, you know, during this.

So this is why it's in front of us tonight. I think Mark brings up good points about the money, but how do we best handle this moving forward is my question.

They have another fountain in front of College Park's clubhouse. The HOA pays for that. They maintain it. They own it because it's on their property.

Probably a much smaller fountain.

Oh, it's definitely much smaller. Yeah. But I mean, that's stuff that they maintain. Where this one is in the middle of the roadway, it's it's one of our highlights that we always have for the city. Everybody enjoys it. When it when it was up and running, everybody loved it. Obviously, it's not up and running, so just an eyesore. And, obviously, we wanna do something with it because we don't want it to become like the golf center where it just sits vacant. We want just thousands and thousands of people that go to Ayala Park. There's thousands and thousands of people that drive that street every day.

And to just see it vacant and empty and falling apart, it's just not especially now that we have new development that's going across the street, which, you know, is potentially gonna be some some restaurants and gathering places for people. We we don't want it to sit there and look in the condition the way it looks currently. But but, again, I don't even know if I could vote on it because I live in College Park, it would benefit me if, obviously, if the city paid for it as because so I I don't even think I can vote on it if if if I'm not the same.

I think you can because it doesn't personally benefit you, Mark. We did also talk

too, mayor, about, like, the feature is a a prominent focal point of that area. The the Jafee College is going to expand, you know, the conditions that we placed upon. We, at one point, got a a letter from mister is it Hong? Mister Henry Hong? Yes. Henry Hong. Yeah. Talking about, hey. You know, I I have an interest because of how I was conditioned to develop, you know, my project there of what is going in there. So there is, I think, a degree of wanting something that's you know, you know, the College Park does want you know, we've we've decided we think we wanna maintain some sort of water feature there in a smaller scale that would be much more affordable and reasonable in the future.

But how do we go about accomplishing that has been really difficult for us to decide, and that's why this is in front of the study session tonight. It's been very, very hard for us to get here.

Well, let's hear from the rest of the council. Oh, Fred.

If I may, mayor, because I think council member Lucio raised a good question about whether he can vote, generally even participating in a discussion would be something to consider. You know, some of these options potentially if the city were to build it and expand that cost, that could be a significant saving. But in any of these options, the construction wouldn't be done by the HOA. So I think that's where the significant maintenance cost, obviously, if it's a very intricate design and and feature, that could impact your assessments, your homeowners association assessments. But I'm not hearing in this discussion that it would be so large that that would happen if you believe that it it could impact your assessment by a significant amount, then that could be a concern.

The other point I'll make, because I know there's been some talk about setting precedent, as we've worked on different development agreements, I know older parts of the city don't have a service of CFD. Right? So that has become a challenge that we've had to deal with, we obviously, think more recent councils have wanted to impose that services CFD to defray the costs of city services to these residents. As we've progressed with as, you know, we're working with Lewis on potential amendments to their agreements. I know what their perspective is, and they believe that the precedent is for the city to require the PMMC to take these on.

There could be some acknowledgment that you know, the newer developments are already paying what older developments aren't paying. So you could consider that in in funding for the maintenance. Luckily, Lennar is willing to pay for the bulk of the cost, which is the construction. But it I I could it may be a little bit of a challenge to distinguish this when speaking to the Lewis' and other developers of the world.

Well, I don't think think to say that Lennar is willing to take it on the bulk of the cost for it is not fair. Lennar is willing to swap project money that's owed to us. Right? It's not like they're doing us some favor. They're willing to swap one project for another, and that's a big difference.

Fair point. I don't know what the relative costs are, but the bridge does seem like a significant cost. I think that's a fair point.

Well, that's one of the things we discussed is that they owed us almost, you know, an equal amount of work in another part of the city in which we would transfer to another part.

Mayor, I'd just like to add about the property tax that that Mark brings up because there is an inequity and how Fred talks about we don't have a service to CFD, but citywide, but we probably should because 36,000,000 a year is what we're at property tax right now. It doesn't come close to covering the escalating cost to run this city. And I think that the whole council is aware that financially, it is a struggle with our sales tax and our property tax, are main two. We're still not keeping up because the numbers of people coming into our community getting greater and greater and greater. And even though property tax is going up, and I I I can't I don't know the number in my head back five years, but I would say it's steadily gone up.

Our sales tax has been flat. But no matter how you slice the money coming into the city, it doesn't it doesn't help us to cover the cost to run the city, which is why we have so much deferred maintenance in our cities because we haven't been able to keep up. So when we have this other money coming in through a services CFD or a regular CFD for infrastructure, it helps us to maintain the city as a whole. But I understand what you're saying because it's very hard when you live in a community and you're paying different than your neighbor across the street. But that's what that community was built on and that's how it was built and that was the agreement from all of your predecessors that it would be like that. I'm not saying it's fair or it's not fair, but that's The just how it was set

was that College Park that the that the city wouldn't pay for College Park or the preserve.

Well, the agreement was that the current residents would not pay for new development. But if new development came in, it had to pay for itself.

Correct. But but what you're saying is we're taking the money and using it in the rest of the city, which what was what was not the was not the original

But we pay for a cop that now has to cover College Park. We pay for cops that now have to cover the preserve.

Oh, no. No. No. No. No. The the residents pay Yes. A cop.

The residents. But the residents pay for all of our services. Right.

Correct. They they pay a special fee for that.

That's right. That's correct. Well, I'd like

to hear from the rest of the council. Chris, do you have anything to say?

Just a couple questions. Thank you for the presentation. There's if you can help clarify for me still the if College Park HOA takes on the maintenance, can you describe what that looks like again? So I hear that on their bill they're paying into the general fund. With this maintenance, is that a separate fee? I still don't understand that.

I can chime in. I know Larry is here, but what was happening before the fountain stopped working was College Park was already having their contractor do the maintenance. So, that would very similar to another part of things is College Park is also maintaining city landscaping in our public right of way, parks that are city parks, street lights that are also in the park, in the right of way and trees. So, was another feature that College Park Homeowners Association was also maintaining with a pool contractor. We're actually working really closely with Larry and his team.

We're trying to finalize a new maintenance agreement to have better collaboration with each other and also to set those expectations of what maintenance should be. So, we actually met with Larry and his team on numerous occasions to get the agreement to a point where this is how we're going to move forward. And right now, his team is actually reviewing it. They have a new legal counsel. So, they're reviewing this new agreement on expectations of maintenance moving forward with landscaping, parks, trees, street lights.

So, we're we have a better collaboration with the HOA than we've ever had before. And with this maintenance agreement, we're gonna set some of those expectations of what those maintenance levels should be. And again, if the council chooses to have the College Park Roundabout feature continue to be maintained by the homeowners association, that would also be added to the maintenance agreement. If the council chooses not to have the maintenance done by the College Park homeowners association, if we decide to own it and maintain it, that could potentially change things because if we're gonna own it and maintain it, we would definitely want community feedback. But, at that point, we would also probably wanna be mindful of what we do put in there if the city's gonna take on this burden.

But, as of right now, if the council chose to go with option two, which was Lennar constructs it, city owns it, College Park maintains it as they were before, we have a maintenance agreement that we're trying to refine so that way things can be a lot more laid out for everybody.

Did that answer your question? Because I think, so there's two different fees we're talking about. The CFD, you know, when we come and we establish a CFD, it goes on the homeowners property tax And that money is paid to that from the property tax, it goes to the county and then they send it to us and we put it in an account and it pays for services. The HOA is for people who actually live in the community and there's an HOA that takes care certain things, there's another fee that they pay separately. That that money doesn't come to the city. So that's the money that residents are paying to the HOA to manage the community there and all the things that Albert says. So when the fountain was running, they were maintaining the fountain through their HOA payments. So I hope that's I hope that answers.

But that we don't know how much that was.

I don't. I don't know how much the HOA pays.

No. That's that's almost impossible outside of this knowing what they were, you know, paying a guy to maintenance the fountain. Right? Because let's face it, this money comes right into the general fund. It's not like it has, like, an enterprise fund, which specific where we know what we're paying on it all the time. Right? So so your your your question is well asked, Chris, but we can't answer it because the money that they're collecting from this assessment is just going right to the general fund, and that was what prompted the conversation. Like, well, when we know what do we know what it cost to maintenance it so we can set it aside and put an accelerator in there to replace it moving forward? There's a lot of problems with this because it's dual it's maintained by one person and owned by another. Right?

So so it's become very challenging for us. And to your point, Albert, we can't really say what it's gonna cost to maintain it because we don't know what's gonna be there. Right? So I would say, like, there's a lot of problems with understanding exactly what it what it was costing outside of a pool maintenance guy, what it could cost moving forward. But guaranteed, it would be significantly less because we're not gonna build the fountain to the same scope and capacity Not that it even close.

But we would keep a water feature that was appropriate for the community, that has been promised to the college, promised to a future developer at a much more affordable rate, you know, with an assurance moving forward with an agreement that we would collect the money and make sure that we can pay for it moving forward. That was some of the conversations we've had as part of this this committee.

Now I guess another follow-up question I have is just the current cost of the maintenance right now. Again, I know that's what we want to scale down and that's the plan. I think everybody's in agreement with that. But maybe if I can ask Larry, maybe he would know what the current cost is right now for the maintenance. General numbers. So I don't what was it for? I mean, are are they still collecting on that? I mean, is college parks still paying

into HOA fee

So they're still paying into rent.

Of money.

Yeah. It's a bucket of money that's paid for maintenance of everything.

Pay an HOA fee, and HOA fee pays for for landscaping, lighting, parks, right of ways, and it used to pay for the fountain. And then, obviously, the clubhouse. Also, keeping up the clubhouse and everything else, and then all the activities that they run throughout the year for the community. But what were you what what was the annual maintenance fee when it was up and running? Larry?

It's typically what Come up to the left turn, please, so it's in the record.

The last time that we checked, it was typically costing us about $1,000 a week, and that requires chemicals, the maintenance, and the water.

That and that was because over 50,000 a year. And that was because it was underground and it because it's underground,

so it adds more labor to it and everything else. But as as Albert's mentioned, the facility itself needs a lot of work. It needs to be replastered. It needs a tremendous amount of capital. And, that's kind of where we've been working together on is discussing what is a capital improvement or a capital replacement versus maintenance.

I can repair the streetlight. I can change the bulb, put a new ballast in it, put a new glass in it. But if somebody mows it down or Mother Nature takes it down with some wind, I can't repair that. That's a replacement item. And we've been very good in terms of working through those things and getting a very good list of all those items that we do maintain and what we actually pay to have it changed. The tree comes down, we know exactly how much it's going to cost us to replace it.

Anything else, Chris?

No questions, ma'am. Okay. Kurt?

Okay. I'm I'm I'm trying to understand this a little bit better. The city owns that fountain. Is that correct?

That is

correct. It's a responsibility of College Park HOA to to maintain that. Mhmm. That is correct. If we go with, option number two, it will remain pretty much the same.

That is correct.

City will go in and do whatever we're gonna do to that piece of land, fountain or no fountain, and then College Park will be responsible for maintaining everything in there.

Lennar will build it.

Correct. Lennar will build it, will own it, and then College Park will be responsible for the maintenance. I I I think that that fountain initially was beautiful, but not for the city of Chino right there. I think that was a horrible location for it. It was just way too big for where it went, and it just wasn't it wasn't good, in my opinion.

And the cost of that, the initial cost was out of sight initially, and the cost of maintenance over now over the years. You know, I you talk about everything's just disintegrating. You know, Beverly Hills has got that big fountain that they've got there for how many years has that been there? You know, the Bellagio's got their fountains. I know that thousands and thousands of dollars go into those projects annually.

You know, I I like option number two. I think that the city needs to go to the community and and find out what the community wants to put in that location. One thing's for sure, I think that big fountain needs to get out of there. And any kind of water feature, it has to be small enough to resemble what we have throughout the rest of the city to be able to be a lot more affordable for the maintenance fees for College Park. The the the visibility in that area has been poor since the day they put it in there.

Our road down there, where's Dennis, is way too narrow. I know we had that discussion before. That should be a four lane down there. It's gonna get worse. The visibility is gonna get worse if we leave some big fountain feature in there. We need to really scale it down. We need to get get the community involved in what they wanna put in there, the church, the college, College Park residents. What do you want in there? And what can you afford to maintain? But it has to be a lot a lot better than what we have in there now. That's all I have.

Okay. I've got a lot of points. I've been I've been listening to everybody, and I think everyone has some very valid points. Just general comments. I agree with what's been said that community needs to be able to decide what they would like to see there.

But I'll tell you one thing. Anything with trees needs to be nixed. And if you talk to any pool, fountain, maintenance person, any kind of landscaping like that that will get into that water is an absolute nightmare. So the renderings where trees are around it, no. So you you also need the opinion of a maintenance person to see what is maintainable in an acceptable way and not only beautiful. Obviously, that landscaping has to change. The hedges are a nightmare. They grow up too big, and you can't see your way around the roundabout. So something that that looks beautiful but is also safe. I like the idea of the quarterly joint inspection.

I think that's an excellent idea so that everyone's on the same page. I am not comfortable with setting a precedent that could possibly ripple forward on future developments and create another nightmare for us because, you know, doggone well, a developer will point fingers and say, well, you did it on that one. You're gonna need to do it for me. So I'm not in favor of that. Obviously, the the HOA, has to have really strong input on what's built there and what it costs to maintain it.

Yes. The city needs to own it. I agree with number two, with with some exceptions, with very, very strong input from the HOA, with input from professionals on maintaining whatever it is that that you guys come up with, very, very strong input from the HOA and the community and the college and the developer next to it on what they would like to see. Obviously, Stubby, you made a really good point about eliminating the vault. That that's crazy.

That needs to go. So safety, I mean, we had that one problem with the the wire that hurt the child, you know, that touched it, so in a park. So we need whatever we put in there to be absolutely safe in an underground vault seems to me like a death trap. As far as Lennar, not having to do the bridge, I certainly understand why they would not wanna do it because of the impact on the residents. And, also, currently, there are no horses there, but we do have horse trails.

So what I would ask of Lennar is to rough up the sidewalk going across that bridge So that should, generations to come, because the pendulum always swings, if you do get horses down in that area, you rough up the cement so they don't slip on the sidewalk. Horses can go on sidewalks. There's no problem with that. But if you rough it up, which is a very cheap thing to do, then they don't slip. So I would say, you know, let them out of the bridge requirement, but have them condition that cement so that it's rough and things can't slip.

What else did I write down? Our technology obviously has changed when it comes to fountains and pools and all of that, so I'm sure there is there are options out there that would be very, very nice, very pretty, get the water feature back, but have it be maintainable and nice looking, and something that everyone would would like. I do not wish to have the HOA fees go up, obviously. But if it's already planned in that, master planned in that, and if the maintenance fees can be kept low because of the design feature, I think it should stay with the HOA. Any other comments?

I have one. Karen?

I just wanna say thank you for everybody's patience on this, including staffs. This has been a really The complexity of this because of the ownership, the HOA, and everything else.

Sure.

I can't imagine, Mara, by the comments that you just made by, you know, eliminating the vault because of safety and the technology that's available and lowering the scale of the water fountain. We you know, one of the things that was discussed with with some community members or at one point was this this is a focal point to a nice area, and it's gonna be a nice area at build out. It sits across from, like, one of our flagship parks.

Mhmm.

So we do want something nice there. Mhmm. So I think I think I also wanna thank Lennar for being, you know, willing to work with us on this. And I would like to see us you know, I think this has been a good lesson to us and our staff. We've talked about this before in shoring up these agreements and being more succinct and and clear about the maintenance of these things moving forward because, you know, we're looking at just this project right here, you know, in speaking with the city manager individually about this, there is a lot to be done on just, you know, oversight of maintenance of some of these things and proper closure of some of these agreements. So thank you for everybody's patience on this. It's it's been a hard one to work through.

Well, one other thing that I'd like to suggest that came to me is get the community involved. Have a contest. You know? Have a have a contest with Chaffee College and College Park and and have people submit and the church and the developer and have people submit suggestions. Because sometimes you come up with some really good ideas if you let other people have input and not just at a public hearing because they're not gonna say anything. But, you know, almost like an art contest. You know, what would you like to see there? And and get some ideas. We might come up with something really good. Mark, you had some last comments?

Yeah. I I think I think there was nobody I think everybody in the infrastructure committee all agreed that that was the whole purpose of getting Lennar to come in and do it, that we were just going to completely do away with that large feature, scale it down to something smaller. And again, it's a bunch of things that people wanted down there. So that's a rental hall that we have at the 5 Cs. And when I sit there in that committee meeting, they're specifically asking for it because people want to take pictures in front of a water fountain because they want to get married there and that's one of the things that they ask for.

Mean, so everybody wants a piece of that fountain. Now, I don't want to set a precedent and say that, you know, but I just do want to point out that Larry has a struggle with the HOA because landscaping fees go up all the time. Maintenance of the parks go up all the time. And every time he goes to raise the rates, they lose their mind on them. And so, I mean, eventually it might get to the point where he may have to come back to us, and I want to leave that option open for a potential share, at least a cost sharing, because when we sit there and we talk about a church, we talk about the development of Henry Hong, we talk about Shaffey College, we talk about the five Cs, it's not just the College Park residents that want that, but it's a whole community that wants it.

And it's a community feature. I think it would be great if we added some lights on the bottom so that people would see, because that is a very dark area. That would help to light it up. But, you know, I'm not opposed to, but I also wanna leave it open if it gets to the point where the HOA is at a point where they continue to continue to rise and you get a lot of pushback from the community that we look at a potential cost sharing with them so that it doesn't over overburden the community there.

K. Any other comments? Okay. So it looks like option number two with maybe some modifications going forward depending on what comes up next.

That sounds good. Okay? That sounds good. And community input, definitely, working with the HOA.

I think that would be really a really actually, fun thing to do, you know, to get get some design suggestions and, you know, get the students involved and the developer involved. Who knows? You might come up with something really, really cool that nobody thought of. I love your idea about the lighting because lighting lighting and a thing like that at nighttime could be beautiful. And with the LED lights nowadays and the colors, it's not that bad anymore.

And I'd like to do this sooner than later. Yeah. I don't want this to drag on to a two year project, and we do it for a long, long time.

But just also understand that there's gonna be the competing interest that Mark just

talked about

because the, you know, the we're trying to I can't see the cost not going down in this, especially with what you were paying, Larry, but maybe I'm wrong, right, especially with new technology and what's going to happen out there. But when you do get Chaffey College involved or the new developer does not, understand that their idea of grandiose and nice is probably gonna be different than what people wanna pay for. Right?

But you can pick and choose different things. Yeah.

So and I think that's part of our staff's job is to explain, hey. Listen. Not look we're looking to downscale the water feature right, keep a water feature here, hopefully, you know, within reason to make it, you elegant but affordable moving forward.

I love the the statues of the students. That's really cool. If you have that and water coming out of a jug or something with I don't know. So I'm not a design person.

If if I may, as staff works with the HOA on designs, I assume the council would wanna see several options. Is that the direction? Thank you.

Okay. Well, then with that, we will adjourn to our next regular meeting to be held on May 19 at six with closed session starting no earlier than four. We are adjourned.

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