Advisory Plan Commission - Regular Meeting

This is okay. time to uh call to order the uh advisory chain commission meeting for Monday, September 8th, 2025. Um I do want to say first this meeting is being livereamed by under production multimedia. So please join me in standing for the pledge of allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for it stands one nation indivisible with liberty and justice for all

do roll call. Uh, Daisy, Marty here, Harold here, Ryan here, Wayne here. All right, we do have a quorum. Um, can I get a motion to approve the agenda? Any motion made by Harold? Do I get a second? Second. Second. All in favor say I. I. Okay. I has um standing business approval of prior meeting minutes.

That'll be brought forward at the next meeting. At the next meeting. Yeah. Okay. All right. For public comments. Um like first up David Reed. Good evening. Uh my name is David Reid. I live in uh High View subdivision that's going to back up to this development. And I have a lot of concerns have had since the uh the whole uh program had been started. But um tonight I know it's just a reszoning.

There's excuse me just he we need to adopt we don't have the guy here that's going to do it but that's actually my meeting. He's a joining property owner. So we have to open up the meeting for uh that you're talking about I know what you're talking about. So if you take a seat you have open hearing. It's Yeah, I think everybody here is going to Is anybody here wanting to uh talk about something other than Walnut Creek? Okay. Yeah, because you have to open up with public. Sorry about that, David. That's all right. I want to make sure we get it right. All right. All right. So, u moving ahead here. Uh oh, there's no old business. Uh let's get to new business. Uh the appointment of a new board member.

Not here. Not here. Okay. All right. So, uh, second on the list, the zoning map change request, Walnut Creek and Memphis Road. You have to open up the public or open up the public for Okay. Um, wait. I'm sorry. We have a motion to let them present first. I'm sorry. I'm messing y'all up. Oh, you're messing me all up. That's all right. Let them talk. I'm already messed up enough. I got a lawyer here. I just don't let him talk. I got around when I'm talking. I'll put this maybe here.

So maybe you can see I don't know if you can all see that there.

We don't have any. Sorry. All right. Um good evening. My name is Scott Adams. Um I'm the director of real estate for DC Develop. Uh in this case, uh DC serves as a land use consultant to the petitioner, which is Woodstream Development LLC. Um, Woodstream Development, uh, is represented here this evening by partners Chris Jackson, uh, Kent, and Kurt Abbott. Uh, Dan Christristiani, another partner, is not present this evening. Uh, also with us is our attorney, uh, Greg Feifer. Um, tonight's uh, application before you is a request for resoning. Uh that resoning comes in conjunction with a voluntary request to annex the same property into the city of Charles Town. Okay. For a little bit of history, in 2022, uh this property was reszoned from agriculture to R2 in Clark County's jurisdiction. And then several months later, a preliminary plat was approved uh with those R2 uh development standards in place. Uh that plat was approved by the Clark County Plan Commission. Uh since that time, um uh construction plans have been approved for the development and section one uh has proceeded with development and is now 100% complete with new home construction ready to begin. Future sections of the development are have been designed and are ready to start soon. That brings us to today uh which is uh zoning and annexation. The annexation will be handled by the city council uh the zoning uh by this board and then the city council. Um so tonight we are seeking a favorable recommendation for reszoning of the

property uh to a planned unit development district or PUD. The reason for the PUD designation is that Charles Town does not have a zone district that mirrors the existing R2 development standards under which the subdivision was previously approved. So, as if you're familiar with your own ordinance um and with Tony's direction, um you can customize uh the development standards of a planned unit development district for very specific features, unique uh um features of the property or the project in general. Um in this particular case, all we've done is copy and paste. Uh we've copied the R2 standards that were uh in place before and approved by the county and are pasting them into a plan unit development uh district uh to be adopted hopefully by uh the city of Charles Town. Okay. Um there are a few exceptions to uh or changes that have come uh about as a result of the process. Um and and they are to improve the to improve the site. Um you probably can't see this, but this particular site plan was what was approved. One particular change or there's two culde-sacs here uh along the eastern boundary. We have proposed removing those uh two culde-sacs. Um, reason being there's 400 feet of street, more than 400 feet of street, curb, sidewalk, um, sewer, drainage, and water infrastructure that frankly is not needed. We can eliminate that and put lots in their place. And that's where you see that same area on this plan. You

see lots replacing those culde-sacs. In the end, we save the taxpayers uh long-term maintenance costs of of of maintaining that infrastructure and replace it with the same number of lots. Okay. Um there's also on the western boundary there was a culde-sac substant property that had a culde-sac bulb in it. Uh didn't seem to serve any purpose and no one quite knew why it was there uh after so much time had passed. So we've proposed eliminating that that culdesac bulb which is again just additional pavement and other public infrastructure that is not needed. Uh so we've made the efficient we've made the site plan more efficient and cost effective long term for the taxpayer. Um, one additional change is when the zoning was approved, uh, the county commissioners placed a cap of 150 lots for this property. Um, for some reason, there was a subsequent plat approval that occurred with only 147 lots uh, on it. The PUD plan that's before you this evening has 150 lots, which matches the cap approved by the county commissioners. Um, in addition, one condition that the county commissioners had imposed on the zoning was that the property be 75% completed of construction before the Berdett Drive uh, road connection was opened. It's our position that we are more than happy to keep that road closed until we reach that 75% threshold unless the city deems it in its interest to open it for some other public safety reason. Okay. Um it will be a public street uh connecting to Berdett. Um so once those roads are in, they're really not ours

anymore. Uh that control would fall to the city. And so we want to respect the the authority of the city to be able to do that should it deem it in its best interest. Um one other change which is again a positive one for the overall plan. Um the PUB plan contains a 44% increase in open space from the previously approved plat. Uh the previously approved plat had about five acres of open space. for now more than seven acres and that comprises about 15% of the total site. Um I believe the PUB requirement is about 10% uh on the aggregate. So um that's our proposal in a nutshell. Um we believe that the proposal meets the requirements uh and ultimate objectives of the city's comprehensive plan which contemplates residential growth and residential development in this area especially where it is adjacent to the existing city boundary served by existing city utilities that is also zoned and developed as residential. Um so with that u we would ask for a favorable recommendation uh to the city council uh for the PUB district as as presented.

You got some bigger maps there. Can we take These are smaller. I didn't know if you they're a lot bigger than they're bigger than that. Sure thing. You got magnifying glasses. I didn't know if you'd like to read small or large. to leave behind. That's correct.

You may mention that would ultimately save the taxpayers money. Maybe you can answer maybe you can. How much do you anticipate those projections? It's it's really hard to come to a dollar figure. Um but with you know 400 feet of street, you know, there's u you know 400 feet of water, 400 ft of sewer, um 800 ft of curb, uh there's quite a bit of infrastructure there that is no longer necessary uh with our redesign.

Um I know how you lake view and there's only a handful of people in here from you lake view. I'd like to know when the letter was sent out to let the residents know about this meeting because I randomly I live on High View Lake View. I live on the corner of what's going to become one of the busiest streets because of this subdivision. Um, and I randomly we found our flyer Saturday in our driveway like somebody just threw it out and that's how I found out even though luckily I knew because I'm on the zoning that's how I found out. So, I'm not sure how a few of the others found out, and I'm like to know how because I've already received paperwork for another subdivision that's trying to go in behind me in the mail in an envelope sealed with all the like randomly found in my driveway. That's not a good way to inform anybody meeting.

Well, the US Postal Service is responsible for delivering notices. No, this was looked like this laid in my laid at the foot of my driveway. And that's the only thing I received. We we we had our attorney send um a certified mail notice in accordance with state law to the adjoining property owners. Um so is that just the one then that attaches to Berdette? Uh yes, that would be that that is the case. Yes. It wouldn't go further into the subdivision.

Okay. because I see several that do not that live on my road. So, I'm very curious as to how they found out then. Um, all right. I was just wondering because yes, I randomly found a notice just stapled papers thrown in my driveway Saturday and I'm not real big that I don't think a lot of people know I'm on the zoning until uh recently. So, all right. Um, you know, this is not a good I mean 403 is a extremely dangerous road. So we're you're adding 150 houses. What average two cars of a house that's 300 cars? I mean we're going to be running them out of Popular and Locust. I mean how I mean only a few people are actually going to go out across Memphis and that's the people that need to go out different ways. I mean, I'm I'm very saddened that my road is now going to turn into a racetrack because that's just on average of 300. There's three adults in my house. We have five cars and four motorcycles. So, I mean, I can only imagine how much more the traffic is going to come up and down our road. So, as far as city zoning, I don't know who does the streets, but when they open this up, a stop sign, a three-way stop sign needs to go at the end of Locust because I literally watch people in straight confusion, not know how to drive because there's only stop sign in that Locus. So, people are filtering all the these other vehicles out of that subdivision and up to Locust. It's going to become a hot mess. So, there needs to there's going to have to be a three-way stop sign to accommodate this vehicle load coming into the subdivision from the back way. And no, you're lucky. He told me I can't vote. So, but I get to have an opinion.

Sure. And just for the record, this is just a zoning change tonight. It's not that it's not been approved or it's already been approved. Yes, it's already been approved. So it's just talking about zoning. Absolutely. Absolutely. But this is I did not make it to the county because it conflicted with work. Sure.

So and county is not going to take care of any streets in Charles Town. So now county needs to probably address 403 because Locust and 403. It's nothing for us to sit there five minutes just as is to try to get off of Locust. Um so county is going to have to be addressed I guess on that somehow from somebody. Um be our lovely overloaded mayor. But they're going to have to slow that down. I I mean because it turns 50 miles an hour about, you know, a third of a mile before Locust. So it probably needs to drop back. They're going have to lower that down a little bit like it is in front of Ace. So So really the two main axis is Bett and Charleston Memphis Road. Is that correct?

That is correct. is in the very back of is there have been any address to Charles Memphis Road because that's highly traveled and kind of narrow. Is there any address about that? I'd love to hear what you know about that.

Yes. All these concerns were presented at the council when the council when when the county council approved this. So, uh, the road concerns, people out there had noticed they I know that several residents did attend those sessions. This subdivision as it is and the traffic that comes along with it is going to happen. Okay? It's already been approved by the county. The question is, are we going to annex the subdivision into the city? This is me speaking as mayor and the benefit to the whole community. I am favorable of this zoning and I am favorable of this annexation because it then gives us more control and it puts some residents with skin in the game in the city as taxpayers. If we do not annex this, in my opinion, then those residents are residents of the county using city roads eventually coming through Lake View Hobby. We cannot stop that. Correct.

I was against that. I made it clear that I was against that entrance. But legally, we had no standing to fight that at the time. Okay? We could have wasted taxpayer dollars on the litigation that we would have lost. We chose not to go down that pathway. I've told the developers that I was against coming on Verde and I'm saying it again and I know they're in the room hearing me say that. However, by annexing it into the city, we now generate a revenue source that we can do those things like Marne is mentioning by putting proper signage by investing in the roads throughout Lake Behind you if they use that as an entrance point. and it gives us a little more leverage to pressure the county to take the corridor study that we provided them and enact those safety features. That includes a center dedicated lefthand turn lane at the Lake View High View entrance. We've also been very proactive with the county and making recommendations and Tubby Purcell spoke to from the county yesterday and again today and make the recommendation that they drop the speed limit on 403 at Witson Drive which is right close to Dan Barios. So our recommendation to them is to drop the speed limit there to 30 which slows people down up through that area. Of course it will enforce that as well. So, I'm happy to answer any questions on behalf of the city for this board, but again, this neighborhood has already been approved. These 150 homes are coming. The time to make arguments about the traffic has passed because that was at the county level. Um, at this point, it's the city's I think it's in the city's best interest to at least capture what revenue we can. Um, by adding this neighborhood to the sewer, it keeps our sewer rates down because it spreads that cost across multiple users. keeps our garbage rates down because it spreads that cost across multiple users and it gives us some control over and some funding to make sure that we're

providing safe access through these neighborhoods. That's just my opinion. I'm happy to answer any questions. Sounds like you and I were on the same page with that. You still haven't addressed trust. I don't know what you want. Yes, it came up. People mentioned it as traffic. That's a city road. It's not a city road. That's county. It is county. It stops right past. It's not any of it. None of it is a city road. It's all a county road. 160 is not there's a small Yeah. All that's county really. Yes. Julian history cannot vote for the city. She is in the city limits. That's Charles Memphis Road. Well, the road is not ours in the same way that Market Street is not ours.

That's not our road. That's not our road. And like 403 is not our right. 403 is a county road, but the res most of the residents on it are ours. street. Yeah. 62 is not 160 is not. Most of tunnel mill is not like Yeah. That's our burden is that we have all these agencies that we must work with to bring about change by the county road. Yes. Yes. So all the way to Saddleach, none of that is it's all a county road. And I will tell you that several residents did raise those concerns at the time that this was approved by the county. So, but it is approved. Okay. All right. Any other questions?

Is there any way that we could ask the county my only concern is or one of them I guess would be on Charles Memphis Road if you know where they can have a turn a turn lane to go in there or a bypass because that's you know cars stopping to go in there like you said about 300 cars going there right now. Um chances for a rear end collision is pretty great. We can ask. I I mean I know maybe your developer would it does have a little paper Thank you, mayor. Yep. Thank you.

To add to the mayor's comments about uh taxable property and additional users on city services. There's an estimated $50 million of assessed value in this neighborhood. Okay. Most likely will be more. That's a low estimate. Uh the city has that estimate and are running it through a fiscal analysis to determine uh the total uh dollars generated from property within this project. Um but there's an estimated $50 million of assessed value in this prop in this whole project. In addition 150 new users on trash collection, 150 new users on the sanitary sewer system. And to the mayor's point, that makes the operation of those city services more efficient and more effective for all residents of Charles Town, not just this particular neighborhood. So, it comes down to what what I took away from what the mayor was saying. It comes down to do do we want the city to benefit any or do we want just the county to benefit?

It's going to happen because it's going to happen with or without it. It's going to happen. Yes. So comes down to now just, you know, making sure it's done right. Making sure it's done right and and the city of Toronto benefits. Correct. So I see you kind of have a homeowners association on this. Yes. Will there be any type of wood fences and everything? Um, you know, for privacy fences, will that be taken out? Maybe or steel or something? Yeah, right. Right now we're we haven't fully submitted all the details of the HOA documents, but um right now wood fences are not permitted.

And then the other question on the lighting, would they be similar to the lighting that Charles has the street lighting? Um I don't believe so. Uh I've got there were two options given to me by REMC. We made a choice between those two options. It's got kind of an acorn globe globe on it. Okay. Looks like an acorn. These all will have sidewalks. Yes. Sidewalks. Yes.

Any other questions? Okay. All right. Thank you. Now we will open it up um for uh public hearing. All right. First up, David B. Is that my cue? Okay. I I make an apology. I'm the one that invaded our local neighbors and informed them because I knew the process was just to give me notice as well as some other people. So, I didn't throw it. I put it in your And the wind must have taken it.

Oh, yeah. The husband found it when he So, thank you.

I'm not here to condemn or try to condemn the development. I, you know, I'm in I have been in the past in construction and I understand development. What I'm concerned about is we're at a stage right now where we're talking about reszoning and it automatically falls into annexation and the city inherits or takes over this creation that the county has given us without the county having to do anything at all other than set back and make more messes. as you pointed, it's going to develop a lot of confusion in our neighborhood, a lot of uh extra cars going through our neighborhood and trying to get out on 403. So, why can't the county at least be oppressed or be uh concerned enough to do something about the entrance into our subdivision? As the mayor said, that's in the discussion. Why can't it be applied a little more, you know, to get that going so that we don't have it uh after the 300 cars start coming out? Now, we're going to cut it down and we're going to do the construction afterwards. The same thing happens when you go out Charle Town Memphis Road, you got to intersect with 160 and you got to come out to 403 where there's an abortion of stuff going on right there at that intersection. Why can't the county go ahead and say, "Look, we're creating a headache for the city of Charles County by adding all these cars. Why can't they step in at this point and create some something there? Re reroute. I don't you know, I got a million ideas, but anyhow, I think that the city before they annex at least or before they reszone, they ought to have some input to the county because they gave us this. They gave all this without any concern. We we as citizens went to several meetings, expressed our

concerns about safety, about this download of Berdette Road and the download into our subdivision. Death Ears didn't didn't make a bit of difference. They kept referring back to the law. The law says that they have crossed all the te's, dotted all the eyes, and we have we have to accept it. Well, you didn't have to accept that layout. That layout could have gone back to Char Charles Charle Town Memphis Road. I did enough research to know they did that because that benefit their sale to download our subdivision. So, now that they create the abortion, at least have some input and some consideration for us. There's another ax, as you can see on this, there's another entrance over Danberry. post. It's not going anywhere. It's dead. And if nothing else, there should be some pressure added to somebody, the county, the developers, somebody to help us out. That would ease some of the flow out of one subdivision. It would put some flow into Danberry. And supposedly Danberry is going to have this great intersection at some point, who knows when, that ties it all the way over to 62. So why not funnel it over to that point? Anyhow, I can go on and on. I just think that safety is something that needs to be concerned a lot more than we have. I don't know. Have you guys had a meeting on this before tonight? So there's been no discussion, no inter understanding of safety or how this thing's going to unfold. It's just the developer presents a reasonzoning application.

Yeah. because it's county, it's not city, right? So that's always been our hands tied behind us. It's county, it's county, it's county. We don't have anything to say. All of a sudden, it's not county. It's coming city and now we've got an abortion in front of us. So I just think there needs to be some consideration especially to safety because there's it's going to be it's going to be ugly as you pointed out earlier. Thank you very much for those comments. That's all I've got to say.

Thank you. All right. Next up, is it Rebecca or My name is Rebecca Rash and I live at 8410 Locust Drive. Um, I don't know that I'm at the correct uh place, but I got notices about subdivision areas going in that may affect my piece of property. And I don't know u there's not been any meetings. There's not been anything uh official to the homeowners about this uh area that's going in and how it's going to affect properties. Um I

I think that one was that one. That one's a different that that one's not that's a different

and that I'm sure that this is different. However, hearing the comments about this going through the subdivision and I live on Locust Drive. Uh and basically I'm not happy with the fact that we don't have street lights. We don't have uh sidewalks. We don't have the things that is being proposed for some of these new areas. And we've been in the city for quite a long time. Uh I do know that uh not only the construction vehicles are going through these areas tearing up the roads. I said, uh, I thought that there was going to be an entry to this area through Danbury. Uh, I am sad to hear that that is not the case. Um, I think that we have a lot of children. They they ride their bicycles. They are on those roads. And we've already had incidents of children being hurt in the area uh as a as a result of of things back in that area. Uh, I just feel like that uh the city needs to work with the county and the county obviously needs to work with our city. Uh, I'm not opposed to development. I think the city needs the annexation. I think that uh we need more housing in the area for people coming here. But I think that things are being done not in a way that is not affecting the citizens that's lived here for years. I think you have to be very cautious about

the things that are approved. Um, I know our hands are tied behind our back sometimes, but we've got to keep pushing the county. Uh, and these builders uh the builders are going to make money. Yes, we need to provide services to those those people for the city which is going to help us, but we need to to sit down and let definitely the homeowners know what's going on. Uh I think I think it it's uh disrespectful to the people who own property here and have uh had property here in this city for years and supported this city for years. I just think that um let's step back and take a bigger look at things and yes we welcome builders. you know, we welcome them, but uh let's let the citizens know what is going on in a proper way that everybody is informed because I've got two letters here from another project and and they're different. You know, let's let's uh make them accountable for what they're doing.

Thank you. Next up, um, is that Glenn? Is it Glenn?

I'm Go ahead. East. I live at the 8611 South Dogwood in Lake View subdivision. I have a concern. I've lived out there for 30 years. I've seen the kids play in the street every morning. I see school buses out there and kids actually standing in the street to get a bus. Now, we're going to lose some kids one of these days and somebody going to have the answers. But I'm here. When you think about annexing and all this, make it right. Don't let a subdivision sit there for 30 years with no sidewalks, no street lights, nothing for and you're thinking about going out and getting new. You take better take care of what we got. That's all I have.

Thank you. Thank you. Okay. Uh, last on list, Greg Viper. Mr. Mr. Adams introduced me and I'm just here to answer any questions. Okay. Any questions for Mr. Fer? I'm not on the list for speaker, but I'd like to say something that could

Yeah. Yeah. A little bit to get there. My name is Lauren Chrisman. I live at 8508 Bonnyville Drive. Uh if the traffic comes through the subdivision of Lake View, uh there's an intersection right below my house where most of the traffic will be coming. Uh, one of the concerns I have, will the sewers in this new development be connected with the sewers in Lake View High View?

Yes. Yes, it will be. Is the developer going to upgrade the lift station in Lake View High View to take care of this? Yes. Okay. And also, I think to distribute, we're talking about a lot of traffic. distribute traffic. We It ought to be opened up to uh Danbury Oaks distri I mean don't run it all through one subdivision. Distribute it out. That's all I have. All right. Thank you. Any discussion the board?

No, since this is just for annexation. I mean, and I don't mean I'm not opposed to

Okay. for the um zoning match change request um for the annexation of Lakewood High View area. Before we take it off, yeah, I do have concerns with this and I really do as far as traffic patterns to like View, Charles, that all really concerns me. Um, but I know DC and they do some great work and they've always been good stewards of the city of Charles Town. So, if there's anybody I think that would work with the city and try to make things better, I think DC. So, that's who we want to develop this.

And maybe there's I don't know if there's not a way at all to go into Danberry as some are expressing to help that overflow. That's just something we have to look into and and that's something I think that DC will look into. I can speak to that a little bit if you would like me to. Sure. Yeah, you that would answer their questions for them

in in regards to the U in regards to the access to Danbury. There is a like a like a creek um a large creek and they don't Danberry owns the property between us and Danberry. There's a larger beam there. That would have to be have like a bridge built. Um it would be oh probably at a minimum a million or so dollars in order to do that. Um just we we want our goal is to be a great community citizen. I hope you all seen that. I know I appreciate the comments there with what we're doing at Shadow Lake and trying to do a great job. Um, however, if it's forced that we have to go to Danbury, we're better off to stay in the county and not do a voluntary annex at that point. We we think it behooves the city to do this for the voluntary annex. Um, we get it. Would that be agreed to have three outlets for a subdivision? I I would I would love to have three ways out. I mean, I I absolutely would. It's a requirement that we have two entrances in the county. And that's why we thought that it was good to tie the time because in some manner we're going to have construction on port 403 that's going to get upgraded or if it's going to be downgraded or something's going to happen and the residents on in high lake view are actually going to go the other way and go out the other way sometime. It's going to be a good way for them to get out. The other thing I've seen is is that you know Danberry already connects to Hy Lake everything. You don't have to go out locally. Like when I go out, I don't go to Locust. If I'm on Berdette, I go I go out and turn right and go through Danbury and go out. So it don't all the concentration don't have to be on Locust and what's the other one

popppler. You know, a lot of times I never even do that last little I just take my right and go out past the playground or the little pocket park and go out that way to Damn. So I think it does give you a good access point. Another thing is is it's actually quicker if you're going to JC and down here in Clarksville where you're at. And like I said, these people are going to be trained 75 the what do we say 75% of the subb has to be completed before we ever even open that. So you're going to have probably a 100 residents in their houses and using that way every day before they open that. So I mean time you get 100 houses sold I mean you're going to be se several years down the road. And at that point, if it was great desire and all the stars aligned and the city wanted to do something to connect Danberry, I'm sure I'm sure there's a stub street or something that could maybe make that connection to get across there if it became an issue later. But when what I see whenever cuz as a taxpayer here in Charleston, um you know, the revenue that the city's going to get is going to be great for all the other residents. You know, the people that don't have the sidewalks, that don't have the street lighting, things like that. and you take the tax revenue off $50 million, um that's a huge income income boost to the city of Charleston. And I believe our development, our selection to do a voluntary annex is a little bit of a gift to the city. And um I can't say nothing but good things about the city of Charleston. And we if we didn't think it was a good thing, we wouldn't be doing it. I wouldn't put my personal name on it. And you know, if we're going to if we're going to develop here in Charles Town, we want to be a good partner for a long time cuz we're not we're here to not leave. We're not leaving. I just built my new office here. So, we're not going anywhere. And I want to I want to be a good citizen for all y'all. So, if there's a way we can come together and come ground at a later date, we have tax dollars and we can make it align to be able to connect to Danberry, I'll be more than happy to work with you all to help you do something that's cost effective to try

to do it. I just appreciate that explanation you just gave because I think some of them were, you know, if it was an easy connection, if it was an easy connection and it cost a couple hundred,000 back in Black Valley, we put put it right across there and go, but it it's literally going to be a million dollars to get across that creek. And I know the mayor mentioned a turn lane possibly at Locust. That would be a game changer for some point because I count my blessings every day that I turn on Locust on my motorcycle do not get ran over. Yeah. Well, I think if there is an ever improvement at at Danberry entrance, which I hope there will be because obviously we own all the ground across from there, too. So, um we are obviously hoping for the that improvement, right?

What I see will happen is is more than likely these people are going to come out through Berdett and go out that way. They're going to take a right. They're going to go through Danbury just like they would if they were crossing the creek. And then they're going to come out the new light. They're not they're not going to go out at Love. That's a lot through Danbury also because I walk all that and we have to yell at people daily to slow down. Like people for some reason they think that road is a racetrack when you're flying through. Um I'm everywhere though.

Yeah. You know it's Locust is really bad too. I'm lucky me. I'm married to one of Charles Town's police officers and he screams at people every night when we go walking because either Locust or on that for some reason that road that goes into Danberry, they just it's like a racetrack.

And honestly, this is a it's it's a catch 22 for any any development you're doing, you know. Um you know, nothing saddens me more than hearing people complaining about something we're doing. And you know, it hurts my heart for people not to be happy with something we're doing because we want to make people happy. But on the other hand, you know, if we never build new developments, we can't have more residents in the in the city and we can't have more people. You know, at one point in time, Hibuli was a development. And I'm sure people are mad and, you know, it's just as this thing goes, it's just it's it's a tough it's a tough one to make everybody happy all the time, but our job as developers, we want to try to do the best we can for the city. And uh I will I will tell you if there's a way we can make that work and we work together at the city to help pay for it off of some of the tax dollars at a later date, we will. But we can't we can't do anything like that right now because of the large cost to create that construction and we don't own the property either. It's not our property. So

anything else? Thank you very much. Thank you all. We appreciate it. Thank you. Mr. Chair, I do need to swear in our new member before. raise your right hand. Repeat after me. I state your name. I do hereby accept the above appointment. See if I accept the above appointment and solemnly swear and solemnly swear that I will support the Constitution of the State of Indiana that I will support the Constitution of the State of Indiana and to the best of my ability to the best of my ability

I will faithfully and impartially I will faithfully and impartially discharge the duties I will discharge the duties and accept the responsibilities and accept the responsibilities of a member of the of a member of the Charletown Advisory Plan Commission Charletown Advisory Plan Commission and that I will observe and obey That I will observe and obey all laws all laws related to said office related to set office now enforce now enforced or which may hereafter or which may hereafter be enacted during my term be enacted during my term so help me God so help me God I affirm under the penalties of perjury I affirm under the penalties of perjury that these representations are true that these representations are true

thank you before you legally decide you can blame Tony on that It's a it's a lot easier this morning police officer. Okay. All right. Now you're legal. All right. Uh so for the uh annexation u is there a motion to approve? I'll make a motion to approve. Okay. Motion made by Harold. Second by Brian. All in favor say I. I I hope. Okay. Eyes have it. It will go before the

Oh, yeah. I have to abain. Okay. Marty abstains. Yes. All right. Eyes have it. It will go before the council. Thank you. Thank you. All right. Thank you all. Okay. There's nothing else. Okay. Go ahead. This kind of addresses some of the concerns. these citizens have here. Um I know Jeff had this before and I think Charleston had it before area. Can I real quick? You said annexation. That was a zoning. The zoning. Yeah. So let's let the record reflect that. So let's zoning change as opposed to an annexation. Okay. So zoning change, correct?

Yes. Just council does the annexation correct? Okay. All right. Got it. Yes. Thank you for that. Okay. Sorry.

A fringe area. You know, maybe this will help the city to plan future developments and everything. This goes like 2 miles out. I think it's the max. We probably limit that future growth of the of the city. And I guess we have to get the county approve it, but it starts with the planning commission. I don't know if that's something that you all want to look at recommendation for that probably get the mayor

if if the board would like I can look into it's been 20 years since we did the last one I can look into what we need now I'm sure it's changed just like annexation's changed the two mile branch you look into that I'll give you at the next meeting all All right. Anything else? All right. We need a motion to adjurnn. So move. Motion made by Brian. I'll second. Second by Wayne. All in favor say I. I. We are ajourned. Thank you.