County Council - Regular Meeting

Boyin, chairman of Charleston County Council. At this time, I'd ask our council members and key staff to please introduce themselves. So, Mr. Moody, District 7, District 6. Darby, District 4. Sass, District 1. Kristen Salsbury, clerk of council. Bill Tuten, County Administrator. Kabrowski, District 2. Prior, District 5. Rob Warman, District Three. Natalie Cam, County Attorney.

All right. At this time, we'll uh go into public comments. Uh we reserve 30 minutes of our time for public comments. Uh and they're limited to two minutes per person. Uh and we'd ask you to please keep uh our code of conduct in mind when you come up to speak. Um Sam Sprouse followed by Bert Morrison.

Good evening. My name is Sam Strauss. I'm the owner and principal instructor of uh the Charleston woodworking school at 2338 Ashley River Road. Um I just wanted to thank you all for considering the resoning of of our property. Thank you. Bert Morrison, followed by Councilwoman Hayward White.

U Bert Morrison, 3848 Chestnut Street, North Charleston. Um, I'm still very concerned about the um, transparency around fillets and the way that the numbers [clears throat] that you're given in terms of how much these filots cost the county. So, I was going to go quickly through what what this actually is. So, for filots, a new normal, you pay 10.5% assessment ratio. That's what manufacturers pay for their property tax assessment ratio. A filot brings that down to 6%. As you can see, that is not close to 10.5. It's almost half. So when you hear that they're going to be $1.4 million in revenue from a new filout agreement. It's not going to be $250,000 is the not the tax break. It's more than that. How much more? We can calculate that pretty simply. 10.5 over six. So 1.75 times more is going to be so you take the 1.4 million times 1.75 and you get 2.5 million. That's how these sorry that's how these fillet things work. So when you're asked when he asks what is the tax abatement tax breaks how much money are we giving these people the answer is not if it's $ 1.4 million in revenue if they say that's what they're getting from the fil side that's based on 6%. And that's just the filot side [clears throat] there is also an SSRC SSRC is just free money that you're also giving to them. So you have the 1 million which is the difference between 2.5 and the 1.4 plus the SSRC. So when you ask what is the tax break? What is the tax abatement? The tax abatement is $1.3 million from this investment. So the question is not just is that five is that investment from there worth five jobs and 250,000 which is just the SSRC. No, the question is is it worth $1.3 million that we're going to give this company this mainstream pine that once again is an oil processor, a poller, and is all kinds of extra costs in our

community. So, thank you. Please ask that question. Thanks,

Councilwoman. Um, Hayward White and Mayor Pro Tim Handy Miles. Good afternoon. As a constituent and resident of the town of Hollywood, I want to express our support for initiatives that moves our county forward, including the proposed halfsent sales tax. However, we must ensure that rural communities are not left behind in this process. We did have the pleasure of having someone come out to speak with us last night. However, our c our community continued to face issues such as flooding caused by unmaintained ditches and drainage systems, limited access to public transit, and significant road repairs that's needed for our residents. These are not minor inconveniences. These are qualities of life. So, as a prop proposal, we do respectfully ask for a clear commitment to equitable investment in rural areas, partially in drainage improvements, transportation access, and road infrastructure. So, pro progress should benefit the entire county, including the communities that are often overlooked. Thank you, Councilwoman Tama Hayward White.

Good evening, everyone. Evening.

Glad to be here. My concerns are in the big town of Hollywood, South Carolina is that we are in place. We are a rural area and the rural area is growing just like the city is growing and everybody is facing infrastructure problems and so are the rural areas. So we have dump trucks on Highway 162 all over the place in the rural areas. As you know, the pavements go down, down, down. So yards, water, rain, rain flooded yards. So that's why we are asking, but I'm here to do something for the students out there in Hollywood, South Carolina. We don't have any sidewalks for our students to walk, for our bicyclists to ride, for our pedestrian to walk. We don't have Carter. We don't have the bus service. We have patent Charlie, bicyclist, people that walks, okay? Elder, little people. So, we asking that y'all look at our rural area for sidewalks. We are preparing. I'm asking we are moving our schools on Baptist Hill Road. It's is from Baptist Hill Road to uh new road is 2.7 miles. I don't know y'all know Baptist Hill Middle School and high school are on the same campus but they in the process of moving the middle school to CC Bany so that's a walk that's a rise so some of our kids don't have transportation so they going to need somewhere to walk the roads are narrow so please keep that in mind also I don't know if y'all know the new intersection no words but I'll get to it but thank y'all Appreciate it.

Thank you. That's it. Okay. At this time, I'd like to invite Chaplain Roy Gil with Coast Crisis Chapy to lead us in prayer. Follow Mr. Moody in the pledge.

Would you join me in prayer? Almighty God, I pray for this council meeting tonight. Give each council member wisdom, guidance as they deliberate on the item that is before them. May every decision be righteous in your sight for our benefit and for your glory. In your holy name we pray. Amen.

Amen. I pledge algiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for it stands one nation under God indivisible with liberty and justice for all [clears throat] uh freedom of information act in compliance with the freedom of information act notice of meetings and agendas was posted were posted and distributed to news media and persons requesting notific ification approval item two. I have a second. Second. All in favor say I. I. Eyes have it. Yes, sir.

We move six A through F up. So, we can let these good folks go back home. Yes, sir. I was going to do 6F next if that's good with you, sir. 6 F and then it should be six uh G because Mr. Space was I'm sorry. Didn't make it last week. We'll do uh F and G then. Yes, sir. Um I don't see she on my agenda but all right okay okay um okay well this time I'm going to uh have a resolution honoring Mr. Charles Middleton request to adopt approval on F and G well G has been already approved all those in favor say I eyes have it

okay Mr. Middleton and his family come down and after that we do Mr. Spitz and his family yes sir okay

Mr. a resolution of Charleston County Council honoring Charles D'Angelo Middleton III for outstanding community leadership. Whereas Charleston County Council recognizes that strong communities are built through dedication and service of individuals committed to uplifting others. And Charles D'Angelo Middleton Third has demonstrated this through his lifelong commitment to leadership, family, and community. And whereas Charles D'Angelo Middleton III was born and raised in North Charleston, South Carolina, where he attended public schools and was a stellar athlete. And whereas Charles D'Angelo Middleton III was offered a football scholarship to Livingston College, but made the selfless decision to remain in Charleston to support his family and began his career in 1986 with General Construction before joining the North Charleston Public Service District where he quickly rose through the ranks and developed his leadership skills. And whereas Charles D'Angelo Middleton III joined the International Long Shoreman's Association Local 1422A in December 1989 and has faithfully served in leadership roles including foremen on the auditing committee, member of the building committee and elected executive board member for over 36 years. And whereas a devoted member of Mount Mariah Baptist Church, Charles D'Angelo Middleton III has strengthened the community through service with Recap, Rebuilding Every Community Around Peace, Positive Vibes, and the Second Chance Resource Center of Charleston. And whereas as founder of North Charleston Kings basketball team and

founding member of the Aabe Union Height Raiders, Charles D'Angelo Middleton III has devoted more than 30 years to coaching basketball, baseball, and football, mentoring generations of youth, and currently serving as a coach at North Charleston High School. And whereas his extraordinary commitment has earned Charles D'Angelo Middleton III numerous honors including volunteer of the month by the city of North Charleston Recreation Department, a difference maker in the community by the Charleston Hawks semi-pro football league, community trailblazer of 2022 by the North Charleston Police Department CAPS program, and recognition as a 2026 MLK icon recipient by Positive Vibes nonprofit group. Now therefore, be it resolved, Charleston County Council does hereby honor Charles D'Angelo Middleton III for his unwavering leadership, mentorship, and decades of dedicated service to the residents of Charleston County and expresses its sincere gratitude for his lasting contributions to youth development and community empowerment. Charleston County Council Joseph A. Boyin, Chairman [applause]

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I'm going to let Mr. Middleton uh say a few words too hard because we got other business to do tonight. But um met this young man many many years ago and um after 30 plus years of volunteer coaching myself you know I recruited this young man and asked him to take the m to the m and took it to another level. So I want to personally thank you and uh for what you're doing for our children and our kids who continue to keep doing what you're doing and I want to thank Mr. Darby for giving you a chance you know to help the kids over at North Charleston High School as well. So, we're going to give you a few minutes to say something and um and then you and your families, you know, we take a few photos.

Good afternoon, everybody. Y'all really serious right now? Good afternoon, everybody.

Giving honor to God who's the head of my life. I want to first say thank you to this council, to the entire council. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. And I want to thank my family. Oh man, she here. [applause] I want you to know that those three communities being raised in those three communities of Aabe Bento and George Lree Shakur Cherokee now known as the making. I would like to thank God for allowing me to be raised in that area and that and making the choices that I made and becoming the man that I am today and thanking them so much for showing me my why through coaching the children. I actually learned more from the children than they learned from me because I saw that they was watching me. And I knew in order for them to become a man, they had to see a man. So I thank God for showing me my why through community service and coaching with working with recap. I'm in the streets with working with the Little Raiders. I'm with the youth. And now with Y North Charleston High School, I'm with the high school kids. So everywhere they are, I'm there. So, I just want to thank God for showing me my why and letting you all know that he

deserved all the glory and all the honors because without him showing me what he showed me, I wouldn't be who I am today. So, I just want to leave you with this. We got so much negativity in the world today and negative mindsets. The only way that's going to change, we got to change it. With that being said, I want to share this with you. What you know is very limited. What you don't know is limitless. But in order to change the way of the world, we have to first win the war and our minds. Thank you. [applause]

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to see everything. Thank you, sir. Thank you, sir. Yes, sir. Get me back on track. Yes, sir. Yes, sir. Thank you, sir. Thank you, sir. You weren't a bad kid. Appreciate it. You weren't a bad kid. You weren't really mean that, sir. Talk about Morningside Middle School. Take him to the restroom and bust his backside up. [laughter] You could do that back in the day. Oh my god. Yes, ma'am. Yes, ma'am. All right. Put your hand on it like you can still play football. Yeah. Yes, sir.

I need to hold it so I can read this one. Mr. Spice or space? Space. Okay.

Yes sir.

Nowadays principles are scared of be a resolution of Charleston County Council honoring the community service of Elvin Spates. Whereas Charleston County Council recognizes that the foundation of our community is grounded in those who give of themselves selflessly to help others and from time to time has the privilege of recognizing an individual who exemplifies such community commitment. And whereas Elvin Spates was born and raised in Charleston, South Carolina, graduating from St. Andrews High School in 1997. And whereas Elvin Spates has dedicated more than 15 years to mentoring and supporting youth throughout Charleston County, beginning his mentorship efforts in 2008 and using basketball as a means to build relationships, instill discipline, and guide young people towards positive life choices. And whereas Elvin Spates volunteered for seven years at Danny Jones Recreation Center, coaching youth basketball and leading a 12 and under boys team to a state championship while also assisting students with academics, teaching life lessons, and encouraging responsible decision-making. And whereas Elvin Spates has volunteered in Charleston County schools, including coaching and mentoring a middle school boys basketball team in 2020 and is widely known in his community for assisting families in times of need, including providing food, helping families facing homelessness, and standing alongside victims of gun violence. And whereas Elvin Spates works collaboratively with law enforcement agencies across Charleston County, serves as a voice for those unable to speak for themselves, organizes and participates in peace marches throughout the community, and most recently assisted with the cleanup

of a downtown Charleston home to help prevent displacement of its owner. And whereas Elvin Spates's selfless service, advocacy, and leadership reflect a deep commitment to the well-being, safety, and unity of Charleston County and its residents. Now, therefore, be it resolved that Charleston County Council does hereby recognize and commend Elvin Spates for his exemplary service to the community and extends its gratitude for his dedication and leadership. Charleston County Council Joseph A. Boyin, CHAIRMAN. [applause]

[applause] [snorts] YOU take it so he can get in. Thank you,

Mr. Speaks. Thank you so much again. Another young man that um I met many many years ago. You know, I used to pre my little business down here and move my candy with my I had little come down. I had a bunch of kids at one time. But, you know, that was good times back then, you know, mentoring y'all and it seemed where I grew up to be. And so, I was able to instill, you know, some good values in y'all now and some of other folks along with Shakwell, other folks in the community that this is your day and I want you to know that we appreciate you because if you don't offer help, he's Johnny on the spot, okay? He will let you know. And a lot of times, these are things that go as unknown, not just to be seen, but to help people really in need. So, I want you to know we really appreciate it and thank you for all you do.

Thank you. Thank you. [applause] I just want to say how much of a honor this is um

to be receiving an award from the county. Thank you all. Thank you all. And from Darby and and Todd Prior, like Mikey said, I was a kid and this was my mentor when I was a kid. So to receiving a reward from your mentor for the things that he taught you that you're doing, you know, I I just want to make a difference. That's all it is. I just want to make a difference. One thing um I'm really proud about for my mom, my lady Tanya, and my daughter. I I just want to be I want them to be proud of me like and I just wanted my family to be proud. I wanted them to say, "Hey, look, you know, he he's doing something." And I so I can have that example I can show to my children as well, you know. And I appreciate my partner Sha Kim coming through because he definitely taught me a lot of this, you know. Um, so I'm not going to work too much, but just thank you all. Thank you. This means a lot.

Thank you. [applause]

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All right, moving on to uh third reading of ordinances. Item 3A, Zelder amendment, short-term rental. An ordinance amending the Charleston County Zoning and Land Development Regulations Ordinance number 1202 as amended to add a provision for short-term rental properties that operate without a zoning permit at the following document location. Chapter 6, Use Regulations. Mr. Darby. I Mrs. Honeyut. Hi, Mr. Kabowski. I Mr. Middleton. Hi, Mr. Moody. I Mr. Prior, yes, Mr. Sass. Hi, Mr. Wman. Hi, Mr. Boyin. I The ordinance passes third reading with nine eyes's.

All right. Uh, second reading ordinances, item 4A, financial incentives for Mainstream Pine Products LLC. Chairman, can we have a brief discussion of that one? If it's not too long, Mr. Krassi, go ahead. Yes, sir. We'll keep it short. just to again it's a public meeting and I thank you for all the excellent work that you do but I just wanted to confirm so that anybody listening that what is the actual cost to the county um that we're giving up as a result of this then one quick follow-up question that's it thank you sir

really yeah so Mr. Kroski. Uh following the yellow sheet, um this is a special source revenue credit of a not to exceed $250,000. Uh we will be gaining $1.4 million over 20 years for the taxing entities along with five jobs and those five jobs will be $120,000 per job. Right. This my followup question would be that for the tax incentive that we're giving that there'll be five new jobs, but we don't know where they're coming from, whether they're from people here or people coming from somewhere else. Is that fair? Based on the uh the information that we have from the uh from the company as well as our our fiscal impact uh cost benefit analysis, we predict that four of those jobs will be local. One may come from off.

Thank you, sir. Yes, sir. All right, Miss Salsbury. Yes, sir. Um, an ordinance authorizing the execution and delivery of a special source revenue credit agreement by and between Charleston County, South Carolina, and Mainstream Pine Products LLC, a Delaware limited liability company, to provide for the provision of special source revenue credits to express the intent of Charleston County to maintain the project property in a multi-county park, and to provide for other matters related there, too. Mr. Darby, hi. Mrs. Honeyut. Hi, Mr. Kabowski. No, Mr. Middleton. Hi, Mr. Moody. I Mr. Prior, yes, Mr. Sass. Hi, Mr. Wman.

Hi, Mr. Boyin. I The ordinance passes second reading with eight I's and one Nay. Uh 4B, financial incentives for attainable housing, Cordelio and Rivers multif family rental project. An ordinance authorizing the execution and delivery of a special source credit agreement by and between Charleston County, South Carolina, and M. Hayne LLC with respect to certain economic development property in the county whereby such property will receive certain special source credits and other matters related there too. Mr. Darby, Mr. Chairman, sorry. Is this a Paramount Drive? I mean not the Rivers Avenue where is this the old Paramount Trail Park?

It is across from Trident Tech um on Rivers. I'm not sure. Yeah, I think it's the Paramount Old Trite trailer park. Okay. Yeah. Okay, it's much needed in that area. Much needed. Thank you. Okay, Mrs. Honeyut. Hi, Mr. Kabowski. Hi, Mr. Middleton. I Mr. Moody. Hi, Mr. Prior. Hi, Mr. Sass. Hi, Mr. Wman. Hi, Mr. Boyin. I The ordinance passes second reading with nine eyes. Mr. Chair, move to approve 5 A and B. Second. Properly moved and seconded. Question for you. Yes, sir. Mr. Mr. Johnson. Um I'd asked last meeting I think there may be some abandoned parcel tax credits available. I think I'd asked last meeting. Do you have an update on that for us?

Yes, sir. Um so I've spoken with the applicant, Mr. Sprouse. Uh he has our application. He is well aware of of the process that we have to go through in order to [snorts] apply for the abandoned buildings tax credit and I just uh informed him he needs to make sure that he gets the South Carolina Department of Revenues uh certification before he be begins work on that parcel. Sir, thank you very much. All right. All those in favor say I. I. Any opposed? Eyes have it. Um, and

I'm sorry. An ordinance amending the Charleston County Comprehensive Plan Map 3.12, Ashley River Road Corridor Overlay Zoning District to amend the zoning and future land use designation for the real property located at 2338 Ashley River Road partial identification number 35305001 from neighborhood commercial designation to community commercial designation and an ordinance amending the Charleston County zoning and land development regulations ordinance number 1202 as amended. Chapter 5 overlay and special purpose zoning district map 5.10 and map 5.10 C to amend the zoning designation for the real property located at 2338 Ashley River Road, parcel identification number 3535001 from neighborhood commercial designation to community commercial designation.

Mr. Chairman, move approval A2E. Second. All those in favor say I. I. I. No. All oppose. Eyes have it. All right. Moving on to uh council comments. Um start with Mr. Wearman tonight.

Um I'll say this. Uh you know, Mr. Scarrosski and I uh have different views on how meaningful some of the math is on on those financial incentives, but I I will just highlight that we we brought a proposal several months ago to to have those numbers sort of get calculated and made a part of this. I'll maintain that, you know, I might disagree because of this whole chicken egg scenario that we've beaten into the ground. I might disagree whether we, you know, how meaningful the numbers that Mr. Morrison was talking about really are. But I stand ready if folks want to revisit that issue to have that be reported as part of the part of the yellow sheet so we can all have that debate um as thoroughly and as informed as as we may wish to have it. Uh but uh you know nevertheless um that you know continues to be an issue that I think gets some attention and I think we you know again like I said with Mr. Mr. Grosski several months ago. I'd like to at least report that so we can have a fuller and fairer debate on the topic.

Mr. Moody. Nothing. Thank you, Mr. Prior. Uh, thank you, Mr. Chair. Just wanted to make the public aware. I I got a email from a lady in my district was asking if we were doing public polling and I told her, "No, we were not doing public polling on the half penny sales tax. It could be other entities, you know, trying the special interest." But I told her there is a public comment section that she can go online and do. So I want the public to be aware if someone calls you about the half penny sales tax on a poll. It is not Charleston County. Mr. Middleton,

thank you so much. I was going to say no, but I'm heartened by the council persons that came from Hollywood tonight uh expressing their interest and the parts of the uh transportation sales tax that appeals most to them. Uh I did not hear anything about green belt although I support green belt 100% not necessarily the uh figure that we have um put forward. Um certainly just echo e echoing the sentiments of those rural communities that were rural historically but are now becoming suburban and then in some cases urban. And so, you know, we lift up some they have come voiced their concern and I hope that reverberating throughout the community, you all continue to stir that up among your citizenry so that they can make um those points known as it relates to what's important to you all uh as it relates to whatever this transportation sales tax might be.

Thank you, Mr. Kowski. Well, I want to I wasn't planning to, but reiterate what Councilman Wearman said. I'd be happy to bring that up again again for in public discussion so at least everybody knows what we're dealing with. I think we owe it to the public so that everybody knows what the cost is and what the benefit is and that is a starting point for a a debate and transparency. So I would be up to revisit that if there's anybody to add to Rob and me on that. I want to say there was a great front page uh article in the posting courier on Sunday that sums up our challenges and since the green belt was brought up that was entitled mega subdivisions fuel Berkeley County's growth uh since 2015 roads and services still lag behind. And there were some comments on that in the headlines that summed up how I feel. It said, "Moving the paradise and watching a nightmare." And it says, "We are building massive developments directly on top of former wetlands and swamps. By scraping away top soil and replacing natural drainage with man-made ponds that just overflow like bathtubs, we are creating a future of permanent flooding. is large-scale development has resulted in the systemic destruction of ecosystems that keep this country safe from disaster. And somebody said it's a sad sad time for the ones who grew up here. This this isn't home anymore. And I realize that not everybody feels that way, but I certainly do. So I uh like to be a voice for the people that express those sentiments. And as we heard about, as Councilman Middleton said about the rural area, I I I hope we can do something with the sidewalks there

because I remember being on the Charleston County School Board and children have to wait for buses in the dark and there are no sidewalks there and it's really hard to and if you have to walk on that, you'd virtually have to walk in the road. So if we can somehow uh put that in our things too because it would be safety of children walking to school. And I also wanted to say that uh today on February 24th is the 244th anniversary of the battle of Wombal Bridge during the revolutionary war involving uh Francis Marian. and my wife's great greatgrandfather, Archabal Mlen was one of Francis Marian's men at that battle. He was 15 years old and the family still lives in that area. And we should never forget the sacrifices of those who came before us and helped make us a a free country. And I'd just like to briefly segue in off that that the house of representative or the state house just passed a resolution uh to commemorate February 22nd as George Washington's birthday and it was passed uh unanimously in the house by everybody. It was a bipartisan uh thing and it says whereas born in fe Virginia on February 22nd 1730 1732 George President George Washington became known as the father of our country as a result of the critical role he played as commander and chief of the Continental Army in the American Revolutionary War. her service as president of the 1787 constitutional convention and his two terms as the first president of the United States of America 1789 to 1797. And whereas in 1791 in an effort to

unify the new country, President George Washington toward the southern states. On April 27th, he crossed into South Carolina and headed to Ory County. And April 30th, he spent the night in Georgetown and the next morning had breakfast with Eliza Lucas Pinkney and her daughter Harriet Hy at Hampton Plantation. Washington spent more than a week May 1st to the 10th visiting locations across Charleston County, a period of time longer than the state in any other location during his tour of the southern states. Um, and it goes on and so I just uh think that the as we this celebrated President's Day, I still wish that we would have a separate um birthday honoring our first president in which case people would and I grew up with that and it was very meaningful to make me feel as part of this country because came from people who weren't born here. So to me that was a way of making us all feel part of it. So I wish at some point we can have and I hope it passes the state senate too. Thank you.

All right Mr. Darby.

Mr. Chairman, I was not going to say anything tonight, but there had a took a panoramic trek to the past. And um although when he was alive, not too many people really loved him because too often in African-American history, for those who made it possible [snorts] to be for those of us who are here in an integrated society, we seldom get credit or to give them credit. And as I said, he wasn't very much well loved. But when a man such as Jesse Jackson would put his life on the line so that we can have integration as we see today, I would be remiss if I didn't say something in his honor because too often those of us who are in politics and other uh successful endeavors, we think we got our own merits, we think we got our own worth. We think we got there because of our own wisdom. Not. So if it weren't for certain persons in the trenches, and that includes African-Americans and radical whites, if it weren't for them in the trenches, America would not be where America is today. And I just I just want to give honor to Jesse Jackson um for making it real because again, we should do better uh in remembering those and not wait until they die or dead before we give them credit. Because you look at other demographics, STM Thurman was a hero while he lived. Um Glenn McConnell was a hero while he lived and so many others and the other demographics. But when it comes down to

African-Americans, we wait until they are dead before they before we give them credit. And Reverend Middleton and Mr. Prior, we need to do better. So, in honor of Jesse Jackson, just want to say thank you. Thank you, Mr. Darby. Miss Honeyut.

Yeah, just a couple of departmental recognitions. I know I don't see Eric tonight. Is Eric Davis here? Okay. Um, I just again want to say um thank you to our staff um on working on these affordable housing units. I got a text today about um some folks that are really excited about the project on Rivers Avenue and I think that's going to provide some much needed relief. So, thank you for that. And also, Mr. Johnson, um I wanted to say thank you. I brought up an issue um from a constituent last week and he jumped right on it. That constituent was very happy with the response. So, thank you so much for uh your effort and attentiveness. Thank you, Mr. Sass.

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Um couple of quick things. I'd like to say that um we had a a meeting for a couple of hours yesterday with with uh some of the highway 41 folks um and with elected officials from Mount Pleasant and county council and our staff and uh Chairman Boyin was there and he made a a good contribution um we had a good meeting and I think it moved on. I think we're going to have another meeting um moving forward uh talking about that. And one other thing, Mr. Kovski. Um um I'm I'm chairman of economic development, so I feel like it's kind of important that that I um learn about the incentives for each one of these projects and um and I had had a discussion with Mr. Johnson about these particular projects and I can I can tell you that the gentleman who was here tonight um had it wrong

and Mr. Johnson Mr. Johnson very politely straight straightened him out, but he was he was not wrong. He was way wrong. And and I want to tell you something that I think is real important. Those those jobs are highpaying jobs and and those jobs also um there's no there's no there's no tax the taxes the tax is being paid. Um it's a special source credit and the credit's only earned if those people are hired. If they aren't hired, the county checks and they'll claw back

and so and they they've clawed back in the past. I just want want the public to know that that when we make when they make a a deal like this, they they go back and check it just like just like the just like the green belt people have to go check the property once a year that that a green belt program has been part of and so to make sure that it is being conserved and and it is being done being handled as it was considered to be and as it was approved. So, um, I'm I'm real proud of our economic development and I think it's I think it's good that they they do have to claw back because they have to keep an eye on it. So, thank you all very much. That's all for me. Thank you. Thank you, Mr. Sass. Miss Salsbury. No, sir.

Mr. Tutin. No, sir. Madam Attorney, [clears throat] well, uh to add on to the um discussions about the Felos, um I've had a conversation with Miss Rona about trying to put some additional information in the yellow sheets. uh that to kind of lay out the kind of a compare contrast of with no incentives, what taxes are collected and with the incentives or the um you know how much more revenue will come in from property being developed rather than remaining unimproved. And so hopefully that'll shed a little more light for us as we look at these uh potential uh projects. And with that we are adjourned.

Nice quick look minutes.