City Council - Regular Meeting

Let me use the mallet tonight, so watch out guys.

First of all, I'd like to welcome you all here. It makes me excited when we have people come, because 99% of the time there's nobody in those chairs, and it used to be me. So I'm grateful that you're here. And to start out our meeting, we're going to do a roll call so that we know we can do business. We'll start with Brian.

Plummer, present. Hurst, present.

Mecham, present. Amen, present.

Bangor, present.

so that you all know we have two council members hayman and banger that are honest are meeting with zoom because they're not available to be here tonight um to start out with we're going to have a legislative thought or prayer given by councilman plumber thank you i'll pray thank you father in heaven thank you for the opportunity to be here tonight to do the business of centerville thank you for

the blessings of this nation, our state and our community. We're so thankful for our freedoms and those that have sacrificed to preserve them. Please bless us tonight with the wisdom and patience to conduct the city's business and listen and speak respectfully to each other. Help us to remember that we are here as that we're here to serve our fellow community members and make decisions that are fair and that will improve the lives of the people that we represent we pray for the safety of our first responders and the members of our military and those who protect our liberties and please bless their families as well please At this time, we ask a special blessing for rain, for our state in this time of drought. And with those prayers, I say these things in the name of Jesus Christ. Amen. Amen.

I'd like to ask everybody to stand and say the Pledge of Allegiance with us.

indivisible with liberty

So we're gonna go right into our open session. That is where the community, anybody here in the audience or on Zoom can make a comment. Our open session comment should be limited to three minutes per person. We ask you to state your name and your city of residence for the record. And we just ask that everybody be kind. And anybody that would like to come up to the podium? Yeah, go ahead.

I appreciate yours. I'm going to talk about something that's on the agenda later, but because I won't be here, I've got to be at a Zoom meeting at 8 o'clock with some other people. But anyway, I just wanted to talk about, my name is Scott Kerr. I live just right up the street on 525 East 100 North. And love working with Lisa. You got a real asset in her. And Robin, I think she spent more time. And Gina, I don't know the other two guys, but I know you've all spent time. Appreciate your service. I just wanted to focus my thoughts on the sidewalk issue. I don't know, being a developer myself, the cost of putting sidewalk in is just right. If we do it on raw land right now, it's $40 to $50 a linear foot. So when you start imposing that cost upon people, which I don't really know if they really get the value of their money for that. And I think if you went in and tried to install it in places where it isn't right now, it'd be even higher because they have to remove other improvements, things like that. I think that sidewalks on the area on Main Street, I think that's reasonable, but through subdivisions and things like that where it hasn't been or never has been, I don't think that's reasonable, nor should you impose that obligation upon the people whose property you're going to be putting that on. And so me, for one, as a citizen, I hope that you don't impose that and think very strongly about it. Thank you. Appreciate your service.

I thank you so much for coming.

My name's Dick Hatch. I live at 480 East, 200 North. in Centerville. 26 years ago when I built my house, I asked the inspector, are they going to put sidewalks in? He said, no, they never will up here. And my house sits where it is because of what he said. I had 100 foot or more, 200 foot depth. I had to put my house in the back of the lot. This is just, okay. He mentioned the cost. Let me mention the pain in the Personnel removal.

This house and this old part of Centerville, you're going to make me put a sidewalk in and it's a sidewalk to nowhere because my neighbors don't have a sidewalk on either side. So we've given them deferrals. I worked hard to get them deferrals, but I have always given them the advice that... A deferral says within, if you're notified within a certain amount of time, you have to put the sidewalk in. So if we decided to do a whole neighborhood and you'd been given a deferral, you would have to put your sidewalk in.

So what the guy said to me means nothing.

No, well.

I mean, I don't have it in writing. Do we know what the guy said?

Councilor Macon, if I can just clarify.

I mean, the guy's probably gone by now. Right.

So a couple things happened. So the intent of the conversation tonight is a request by council to find out where are sidewalks currently located in the historic area, where deferral agreement's been issued in the historic area. It's not the intent of finding a way to put in sidewalks. To put in a sidewalk, we do have a code, again, as Council Member Mecham stated. If you have a redevelopment or a remodel of sorts or new development, you're required by our code. A deferral agreement can be issued, but that just means... if we're interested in putting a sidewalk in the neighborhood you will be required to pay that cost but if we're going to go that route it requires a couple things one of the most important things is an SID must be created which means fifty percent of everybody needs to agree to put in sidewalks because you're going to be funding it and it would be a property tax on your property to put in that sidewalk that's that has to be agreed upon by you all we can't force that unless we're coming in and the city is deciding to pay the entire cost. So the discussion tonight is not to force the sidewalk onto you. It's to just have the conversation, make sure the council is aware of where sidewalks aren't, where they are, who has deferral agreements. There is no discussion in saying this is what we're going to do.

So in whatever, I think my neighbors meant to be neighbors have spent a year fighting with you guys about sidewalks. Why is that even in there? Why would you want a sidewalk to nowhere in a city like that?

So that's why we're discussing this is because we have had that brought up to us. Now, years ago, I'm not supposed to be answering your questions. So if you just let me make a quick comment to everybody, and then I can't really answer questions. But so we do have these sidewalks. The idea was eventually everything would be redeveloped, and eventually we would have sidewalks. Well, that's not going to happen in my lifetime or yours. But so the problem is... we when this was brought to us with your neighbors and i've seen several others we ask our staff that maybe there was a area in our historic district that do not want sidewalks so they took it upon themselves i've been thrilled that they did this and brought us a map saying this is a place that maybe you could say we don't need sidewalks that's what this map is has nothing to do with you getting sidewalks it's saying if we pass this map which won't happen tonight then you won't have to have sidewalks. You won't have to have a deferral agreement. You can remodel your home. You can build a home if you're in this area and not have to have sidewalks. So there's been some information, and I think people just telling from one to the next, this map is just saying, right, the only thing we're changing is this is a historic district, and we may think about saying to you, you don't have to have sidewalks there. Now in 26 years, another council could change and say you do. But for this council and this time, we will not have sidewalks. So that's what the map is and that's what we need to hear from anybody that lives in that area tonight is, Are you okay if we make this area a sidewalk-free place? Yes. And that's the question we're asking people to get up and say, I live in this area, I would really like to put sidewalks on my property, or I would rather not have sidewalks in my neighborhood. That's where we're at.

From where we're at, there's a sidewalk to nowhere. Okay, thank you. And that looks extremely stupid.

It would go through our front yard and take down our 60-year-old trees, and that would have been devastating for us. besides the cost. We did have a large remodel and we were told that if something, another big remodel or addition or new builds, it may come to that. I'm just, first of all, I wanted to say thank you for the deferral. That was so, so needed in a frustrating time. addition part and the addition was for health reasons not for a bigger house so thank you for that and i really hope we never have to do that thank you thank you

My name is Richard Casper. I live in Centerville. My wife and her family have been residents of Centerville for probably 71 years, and they own property over here on 70 East 200 South. And that house has been there for, I know, 47 years. No sidewalk. This is a rural community, and as Robin said, this community will never be a metropolis with growing, thriving people running around on the sidewalk. And I would prefer it to be a rural area with that sidewalk.

Thank you.

Hello, Clark Richardson, 55 South, 200 East in Centerville. I just wanted to articulate that speaking for my wife and actually for neighbors all around us, We live in kind of the oldest part. Our house was built in 1926, where those big sycamore trees are on 200 East, and we would be absolutely okay and in fact would vote vigorously in favor of a no sidewalk zone. That would maintain the historic character. We think it would preserve those magnificent sycamore trees and preserve this kind of quiet, charming nature of that really old part of town. Thank you so much.

Thank you.

Blair Parish, 124 North, 200 East. My family's been here since Centerville existed, so I love walking through the old part of Centerville. I don't need sidewalks there. There's no reason to have them, and that's what I got.

Yeah, Ivan Nelson. I live in the historic part of Centerville just up the road here. You know, I think there are special places in the world. And I think Centerville, especially the old part of Centerville, is one of those special places. I talk to friends who live in Centerville, and they ask me where I live, and I say I live in this old historic Centerville part, and they're like, I love that area. I have friends who walk miles from their home to our streets, to walk these streets, the old historic streets with the trees that grow over. There's just something special about the old homes and there's a spirit to places. So in light of that, I am definitely in favor of not requiring sidewalks in any of this historic area. Thank you.

Thank you very much.

My name is Stephanie Wickham, and I have lived in... Time's up. I'm just kidding. I'm just kidding. And I live in old South Centerville. I live in Centerville, and I live in the historic part, and we love the no sidewalks. We love to just walk on the streets, and thank you for proposing this map. And me and my family, we would love for this to be something. Thank you. Thank you.

Kyle Green, Centerville. No suit and tie tonight. You guys are well aware of my position on this, and I believe that I come on behalf of many of my neighbors tonight that have contacted me that are unable to be here. Last count, there was at least 10 households that also approve of making our area a non-sidewalk required area. We appreciate your work on this, the council and staff as well. I know it's a time-consuming project, and it's One that may not feel much consequence, but it is for us, and we appreciate you taking the time to address it.

Thank you. Hi, Adrienne Lawrence. I live at the top of Center Street on 4th East, Parcel 381. My home was built in 1898, and part of our property does run along 4th, so we have Sidewalk there. I'd love to have no sidewalk on my south side and I also support not having sidewalks in our historic district Thank you.

Thank you Hi, my name is Tanner Booger I represent my dad TJ Booger and my mother Esther Booger live on 30 North 200 East and house was built in 1868 That's the oldest post office in Centerville on the property. And they would vote in favor or not in favor of having sidewalks. Absolutely no sidewalks. The sycamore trees, like everybody said, would be endangered of that. And everybody enjoys that walk and see people walking up and down 200 East all the time and my childhood remembering those trees and to have anything to impose on those properties would be terrible for Centerville so you don't get to my apologies I forgot one of the other agenda items I wanted to address which is the I believe the outdoor recreation planning for a pump track

I don't know if it's been decided upon location yet or not, but I know there's been some discussion about doing it here at Downridge Park or Smith Park. I would like to vote that it remain down at Community Park or, well, Community Park would be best suited for that.

I appreciate you giving everybody a chance to voice their opinion.

All right, well, we'll close the open session. And we're going to have a presentation by... Roger. Yeah, Timmerman is here on our Utopia. And after that, our sidewalks was number five of our business, but I'm going to move it up to number one so that those that want to stay, it will be right after Roger. So it will be as soon as possible.

All right. We're going to see if this lets me share through your Zoom. Is that the best way to share a presentation?

Oh, we can try it on Zoom.

That's a new idea. Unless you have an HDMI cable to plug in, that's easier.

I do have HDMI, and that'll probably be better, because I won't be able to get this full screen. So here, come over here, and we'll plug you in here, then I'll give you a clicker. I think this will still be better. And then I'll give you a clicker, too.

Let's see.

It's plugged in.

Let's see. I've got the video only going out.

OK.

I've got ACMI, but I don't have it. Can I signal you? What do you need?

The clicker doesn't work. Can you email it to me?

We should have had this done before we started.

Yeah, I'm sorry.

OK, try your Zoom.

Can I present from here?

Yeah, we got a mic for you. Here.

I don't want to take up everybody's time with the AV stuff, so. Okay. Can you see this?

Not yet.

No? I don't know what time it is. Whatever the HDMI is going into should, is it not?

Let me toggle these back again. It's not coming through, though.

Well, maybe we'll go back to the Zoom method.

The Mac, you have to do it twice. That's what I have to do.

Oh yeah.

Plug it in, unplug it, plug it in.

That's me.

Okay.

I think we'll be okay with the Zoom if you want to do that.

So can you go back to the Zoom up there?

screen, but it'll be okay.

That works. Okay, sorry about that. Thanks for having me here. It's always a pleasure to come back to Centerville and provide an update. I try to do this once a year, kind of let you know where things are at. Things are going well, things are going badly, what we need help with, what we can help you with, whatever it may be. Just as a little crash course on history, and for those in the room, Utopia was founded back in 2002 by 16 original members.

You don't need the hand mic anymore if you're up there, Roger. Can you hear me up here without that? We'll see. Audience, let us know, presidents, if you can't hear him. Sometimes our sound system is a little wonky. That's a microphone right there?

Yeah. Okay. I think I can hear something there. You hear him okay? Okay, perfect, thank you. So originally 16 cities, then it came time to actually move forward with the project. 11 cities basically were the founding pledging cities that backed financially the project. We started it off. DIDN'T GO ALL THAT GREAT, BUT EVENTUALLY DID. AND I'LL TALK TO YOU A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THAT. WHEN IT DID START GOING REALLY WELL, WE DID HAVE ADDITIONAL CITIES DECIDE TO PARTNER WITH US IN DIFFERENT WAYS. SO NOW WE'RE UP TO 23 CITYWIDE PROJECTS THAT ARE COMPLETELY BUILT OUT. AND WE HAVE MIDDLE MILE AND CONNECTIONS AND CUSTOMERS IN OVER 100 CITIES. SO IT'S GOTTEN DRAMATICALLY BETTER OVER THE LAST 10 YEARS OR SO, OR BIGGER. THAT WAS KIND OF A That's me, there we go. Again, the timeline of things, things were rough in those red years, green years, it's kind of when the turnaround happened. And we were able to finish the build out, so we still weren't built out till, like Centerville, you're in there about 2010, 2011-ish, was the Centerville, it was the first area that the UIA organization built, so. UIA, we have two boards, two technical memberships and boards and all that, and legal entities. UIA was kind of the second phase entity that funded the new growth and completion of the system. And Centerville was the first one of those that it did. So it was not built out by Utopia, it was built out by UIA, but they're all operated by Utopia, if that makes sense. Over time, things have been getting better and better. I'll give you some highlights on that. These are some of the accomplishments. Now we're up actually over about 260 to 270,000 locations that can get the fiber service through any of these projects. At fastest speeds in the United States, we've had to bump some of these numbers up. We now have 400 gig connections on business. So we are the connectivity that the biggest customers in the state use, including the University of Utah uses us. They've got multiple 400 gig connections from us. Accomplishes lots of businesses. The state of Utah itself uses us for connectivity. And the school system is a big partner. One of the achievements on here, that fourth one, it says we're the number one awardee from the Utah Education and Telehealth Network, which administers all the connectivity for the schools. Not only are we winning more awards than everyone else, but this last year we won more connections than all of the others combined in the state so we're doing really really well with the schools now we do well with the schools with the goal of getting revenues we don't do it as a charity we it is a business opportunity for us at the same time if we're winning those awards we're providing service for the best value and you know it's it's a weighted thing where it's both commitments, who has reliability. We have to check a lot of boxes with the schools and we've been doing really well with that. So we love that, we love the revenue, but we also love that we can save money for our schools and provide them with a better service. We have the most options on our network. So you just say, what broadband do you have in this city because of the Utopia Fiber Project? You have 19 different companies that compete for your business on this system. It's very cool. And most of those are local companies. So this isn't money going off to some publicly traded company with investors and shareholders and dividends and whatever. This is staying local to our communities here in Utah for the most part. We have some national providers that work with us a little bit. But most of that's local. We do lots of cool stuff with it. We have these air quality sensors that are helpful, especially, you know, it's kind of a sad situation to look at them right now, but they are helpful. A lot of people make decisions based on their health or how they want to manage their health, if they have sensitivity to smoke. You know, there's some people who are just like, go indoor versus outdoor today. People who are especially sensitive watch that closely. In the wintertime, it's also very useful during the inversion season. Schools are actually using this data to decide whether it's an indoor day versus an outdoor day to protect the health of our kids. So this is important data to have out there. And we provide more of those air quality sensors than anyone else in the state. And lots of other cool stuff. We're really rated high. People like us. We're growing customer base. We don't lose many customers. But we don't take that for granted. We're constantly trying to make sure we're a great option for people. And with that system put in, you have all these different companies that use it. It's really a nice thing. People... Sometimes we get that question, you know, why would government ever get in here and compete with the private sector? And we're like, well, that's not what this is. This is helping the private sector. These are all private companies that could not be in your city offering services if it weren't for the infrastructure that you put in place to allow them to come in here. And without that, you would have one of these out-of-state monopolies or whatever just taking all your money and chipping it off to shareholders, right? So... These are all local companies. It's really a nice thing. Okay, our network, just a couple points on here. It's not even the same as other fiber networks. This is the best fiber network in the state. Every connection is a dedicated connection to the home or business, whatever it is. All of the other providers available, at least in this area, along Wasatch Front, they use what's called a PON system where It's basically like a cable network except they use fiber and that's where they bring the fiber out to the neighborhood and they put splitters. And so your neighborhood's all sharing that connection. So they say, well, we'll take 10 gig out there and then it'll be, we'll sell like an eight gig service. But if somebody is using a few gig of that, then you're getting whatever's left over. Well, then 20 people are using that. Now you're really, really, you'll see in their advertising, up to this speed. That's why, because you get a whole neighborhood sharing that connection. And when you need it most is when it's not working very well. It does do really well at 3 in the morning when no one's using it. But at 10 o'clock when everybody's using it, the other networks slow down and Utopia does not. So we're very proud of how we've built the system and how it runs. A couple things here. The green line is when we were here last year. So it was just less than a year ago when we presented last. That was in September of last year. So I drew a little green line there to show you how we've come in the last year. So we've added about 6,000 customers since then, 7,000. Actually, I think we're closer to eight. It's hard to see on the chart, but it was a good year. This is by city. You can see there's a lot of these cities out there that are newer to having the service, and they're growing very, very fast with their subscriber rates. Things are a little bit flat in Centerville. I'll show you that, but it's not bad. It's just not taking off. This is the availability of the system. Well, even though we kind of finished it back there in 2011 or so off the chart there, there continues to be little pockets here and there, right? New developments or redevelopment where there is a cost we have to we put that into our financing structure that we do every so often you know the board's always like why are we issuing new bonds well we do have to continue to grow and expand the system and then other people keep signing up so we keep having to fund those and nice thing is that brings revenues with it but there is a kind of a cycle of of debt and revenues and paying off bonds and all that that's going on all the time But it's all trending really well. We'll talk about that in a little bit. Centerville subscribers, I don't know what that little blip was when it went down, but it did definitely slow down. Obviously running out of people to sell to. We've had a lot of people sign up. Our take rates report badly on what the percent is, because it counts a lot of things that aren't actual real potential customers. But when we look at actual homes and properties that are signing up, We have a lot. I mean, it's probably in the 70 plus percent. We reported it comes in close to 50%, but as we've got those properties, it's not actually that bad. We're actually doing much better than that. This is a map. There's so many of them that I'm like, oh, we can share the map because it kind of shows that people everywhere in the city have a service. So it is available everywhere. And it goes really well. The exceptions might be some of the MDU properties. If it's like an apartment complex or something like that, sometimes the property owner has some sort of bulk agreement, and so we don't get into those. We don't have a lot of those here, but there might be one or two. But as far as where we can provide service and they'll allow us, we go everywhere we can. We continue to upgrade tiers and make things competitive. We've seen a lot of people, the two and a half tier was pretty new last time we met with you. That has gotten very popular. So it's not like the top popular one people are signing up for is one gigabit. but we're increasingly people seeing people pick the two and a half gig tier uh and the 250 meg tier most like that's less popular now so even though it's the least expensive so people are seeing like hey it's actually worth spending more money to get those higher tiers uh which we know we're not doing anything we're just seeing the consumer trend is continuing to demand faster and faster connections and already having tiers above that available. We're in a great position to be future proof and be there ready for people when 10 gig becomes more common. From a technology perspective, there's actually no reason we couldn't provide 100 gigabits to a home. If somebody wanted to pay the money for it, we could do it. The fiber is capable. In fact, we could do 400 gig to every home in the city. But it's not practical. The electronics are very expensive. But again, it's good to know that we have the fiber there for This is generations, right? This will be good for 50 years plus. And it's just replacement electronics to do those upgrades. And depending on which part of the network you're looking at, it's either the third or the fourth generation. So even though it's like, yeah, we built it and connected people, there's been a complete technology refresh of everything several times in that period. Anyways, this was just an example. We do these cool fire detection cameras and things. So this was a time lapse of a fire that happened down in Proko back in the day. That was last year's fire. This year they've kind of stayed away from our cameras. So we're like, maybe they're more of a fire prevention thing. They don't seem to like to get caught on camera. So we'll put up a camera and I'll make sure you don't get any fires, right? You get covered a little bit from one we have in Layton, but we have talked a little bit about getting one closer to kind of cover Centerville and Bountiful. So we should follow up with that. We have the camera for it, actually, so we've got to figure out a good spot for it. Anyways, that's kind of a fun thing you can do once you have connectivity. Okay, now the numbers, the dollars. Robin's going to be like, where are we at on this? But she knows, though. She's in our board meetings, right? Initially, what we've been doing for the last few years is said, well, you know, we've got these bond payments on the old project. Your project was mostly paid for out of the new UIA stuff. And UIA's paying all of its bills and debts, but Utopia, all the cities, are still part of that. And none of their cities really felt like they got their fair shake out of that. But it is what it is, and cities are paying on those bonds. But every year, we pay more and more towards those bonds. We go try to get new customers and grow revenues. so that we can take a bigger payment towards those bonds and the last few years we've been keeping up with the increase of the payment every year and what that means is the bond payment structure when they did that or refinanced it back in 2008 said here's your annual payment and that payment amount goes up two percent every year back then it's like we can't pay anything in the payment to the cities or from the cities we're going up by that amount it was very very painful And then we started doing better financially and we said, you know, we can contribute some towards that and basically stop. And we said, you know, we're doing really well. There was a year when we said, let's put $2 million more. So there was this big initial kind of jump that got us to a $2 million payment every year. And then the 2% each year we've been keeping up with. And over time, that's put us at a place where we're paying about 30% of those bond payments, and the cities are paying about 70% on the Utopia bonds, and then 0% on the UIA bonds. UIA bonds, we're paying 100%, and the cities pay nothing. This year, we had some discussions in our board meeting of like, can we squeeze that a little more? Can we do better than that? And we did. So this is the wrong one, I think. We upped the number by $100,000. I think I put the wrong one in here. I believe this is the originally proposed one, and then we put another $100,000 in there. So what that means to the city is that your payment to the Utopia bonds, rather than just us keeping up with the increase and your payment staying flat, your payment will actually go down. And that's really excited. That's really kind of feel like is a turning point. Just because we get asked the question, why are we still growing? Why are we still adding new partnerships? And we're like, well, we do them because they're financially beneficial. Well, that is what allows us to keep up with that 2% increase, but it's hard to see that the cities are just seeing flat payments. This really is showing that, hey, we're doing a little above and beyond that. uh so that your payments go down every year and we do hope that those payments go down to zero at some point and even then we're accounting for every payment the cities have already already made in the past and count that as a debt the structure of utopia bonds was always a loan so that that gets paid back to the cities that burn a position to pay that now the bonds get paid off in 2040 so We should be in a dramatically better position to pay the cities back, and there won't be any payment, obviously, then. But that's a ways out, right? We've got another 14 years before we're there. But over the last 14 years, we've only seen demand go up. We've seen everything from satellite and fixed wireless to all these awesome things, and they've gotten better and better and better. But fiber has gotten more better. At least it's become more capable of delivering the connectivity that people have wanted, and people have switched from all other technologies and methods of connectivity towards fiber as a consistent trend over the last 20 years, 20-plus years. We got the first customers connected in 2004, so we're 22 years in. And that trend has been consistently increasing. So hold the line for another 14 years. Continue to grow those customer bases. Continue to make financial progress every year. We see competitive threats coming in here. There's a lot of question marks around AT&T and their acquisition of Lumen. And so you're starting to see billboards for AT&T Fiber. We are seeing them do massive upgrades widespread across our cities. They have a pretty bad reputation, but they are known for pretty aggressive pricing. So, I mean, those things can impact us, but we've had that already happen in several cities, and we do see an impact, but it is more like slowing down of revenue growth rather than losing subscribers. So we hope that continues. And we're obviously constantly evaluating pricing and competitive options and reputation and marketing and all that stuff to make sure that we can maintain our subscriber base. I mean, we've got a lot of things to balance. It's like we want to be the very, very best service for people. Same time, we want to make enough money to pay our debts and relieve the cities of their debt burden. And so it's a delicate thing, right? I can't just go make service for free. It's like, yeah, that'd make people happy. But then suddenly, 100% of the expenses fall in the city. But I don't want to charge too much, because then we're not offering a great service, and they switch away from it. So we're constantly looking at that, adjusting tiers and pricing. And we don't do it commonly, but we have made adjustments over time. Usually, service gets cheaper, but there have been some adjustments. Anyways, it's working pretty well. We're excited that every year we're reporting dramatically better revenues. We get another year into bond payments being made, which gets us closer to the finish line of them being paid off. And more principal being paid versus interest on how that's financed. So that's always good.

Roger, if I can interrupt. Council Member Mecham, I just want to remind council, the payment of our bond comes from our RDA, our redevelopment agency. So this is funds that is restricted funds with the development of the Parish Lane Gateway RDA area. So we get that property tax still to the city, and those funds can only be used for approved uses, and this is one of them. So currently the RDA... is funding those bond payments. So it's not coming out of our general fund, it's coming out of the RDA. So pretty smart by the development of our RDA, our Parish Lane Gateway RDA in the 1990. to help fund this bond payment. I just want to remind you of that.

Thank you.

I want to make just a quick, I'm almost done, but I just want to make a couple of points and that this ties into RDA. Like this is a development and a benefit to these communities. How does that show up? I mean, obviously it's like, yeah, people love the quality of life enhancements or whatever, but this is also a financial benefit to the community. And there's a couple of ways to measure that and say, well, compared to what options are there when we're not available in a city. And this is a third-party study that's looked at this that basically say, without a municipal fiber option, you're going to be paying about $29 a month more than you would. And I would say, absolutely. Unfortunately, I happen to live in Lehigh. And I have a fiber option there. And I pay $105 for the same gigabit service I could get on Utopia for $70. And so I'm paying a $35 monopoly tax. So that's actually a low number. based on my experience, but that's kind of what happens. But if you take that and say the average is $29 a month savings, they argue that that should be applied to every address in the city because even if you don't sign up for the municipal fiber network, the competitor is lowering the price to be competitive. But I'm only applying that to the actual customers we have. We have 2,520 residential subscribers in Centerville as of this last month. And that amount of money over a year is $876,000 every year that the residents of the city are saving because of this network. The businesses, we have 181 business connections in the city, and we estimate they're saving about $50. That's very conservative. Schools are saving a lot more than $50 a month. But if we average it and just say, all right, they're getting $50 less than they would be otherwise, there's another $108,000 that we're saving the businesses of the city every year. So that's a very dramatic impact. Just here is cash. I mean, what things does the city do that is putting cash back into the wallets of our community, right? And this is one of those. And it's a very popular service, right? There's not a lot of services that cities provide on a voluntary basis that you would have 2,520 households in your city walk in and sign up for that service, right? This is very, very widely utilized across the city. uh... there's another study done and this is another legal follow-up all sorts of This study sized down to the size of Centerville. They take a look at all sorts of different categories of education, quality of life, and other things, and basically say that you would have $139 million economic benefit to Centerville over a 10-year period. So it's not just, hey, you're saving the city a million dollars a year, it's you've got local jobs, you've got education, you've got business benefits, and just layered these things upon each other and then put that over a 10-year period. there's a dramatic economic development benefit to the community for having this there. And that's a study that's worth looking through. It's really interesting. So anyways, I leave that just something to think about. Hopefully, you know, it's like it hasn't come without its pain at times. Right. But it's great. And I think the residents love it and the businesses love it. And we're going to keep that, keep at it. And we really appreciate your support. We love the contributions from the board members. We take up their time and they don't get anything for it. know we don't pay them anything so but we appreciate the support and involvement our board in the organization of course but you have any questions for me and that's all I have to share I have a question Roger and you said that there's a specific connection for each household for those multifamily properties that

that are already existing or may be built, are you providing one connection for the hundred units that are there? Is there a specific connection for each of those units?

Yes, depending on what they want. So sometimes it's all based on the property owner. Like the property owner is the one in the decision making. Our preference is we want this available to everyone who lives in our communities. But we don't have any sort of legal authority to impose that into those properties. So the property developer sometimes will say, you know what, I want to negotiate some bulk deal with Sumo or X mission or something like that. And they'll do all the wiring within the facility. And then we want Utopia to just come in here with a big 10 gig or 50 gig connection. and then they'll do the distribution within the complex. Sometimes that happens. But then sometimes we come in and we wire fiber to every unit and they can sign up individually in every single unit within that place and pick different providers. We actually have a discounted model for that where we normally charge $30 a month per unit. like for home in a bulk situation like that, we only charge $10. So they still get kind of a bulk discount, but also get the benefit of choice and competition from the providers. That's our preferred model. We love it. But a lot of times those owners want something better. I mean, it's, it's, it's, they're usually, they're often looking for some sort of revenue share type of model and we don't offer that. So if they've, added into their HOA fees or unit rates or something like that, that's fine, but we don't do any sort of kickbacks or anything for developers. But some other providers do, so sometimes it's hard to get past that. Thank you.

Any other questions? Roger, I'd like to thank you, and I'd like to thank you for not mentioning names on who squeezes the board once in a while.

Honestly, we need it, right? Like it's helpful, it's good.

See you guys, I'm helpful, I'm good. Hey, thank you so much.

You know our feet should be held to the fire right like what can we do and we gotta? Always keep the city's interests in mind, and that's who we work for you know we work for the cities And so you do express that perspective I do don't let us forget that perspective That's fair.

Thank you. You're awesome. We appreciate you. Thank you so much for coming tonight. Thank you Now we'll go back to our business items Oh, so we're going to go to number five on the historic district area sidewalk maps. I think we'll have Mike and Sydney. Sydney, it looks like on this one.

Mike Carlson. Sydney will kick it off and then Mike will be clean up.

Sydney, I'd like to thank you for taking the initiative and getting this going.

Thank you, City Council and Mayor. Yes, we have been keeping this going and really what my role has been was just a facilitator for the DRC meetings and making sure that all the departments were informed and got their comments back. So the obviously larger spearhead is the Public Works Department and we are happy that we can keep it going. So I will turn it over to Mike.

Mayor, city council, happy to be here tonight. So Jennifer, could you hit this map?

Is it this one? Is that what you're showing?

Go to map two. No, not even that one. Go to map three.

Map three. Two is good. Two might be good.

That looks right.

Yeah, let's do two.

Does this work? The laser?

Yeah. No. It just doesn't show up on the screen.

Give him the hand mic and the pointer, please.

So I think to go back just a couple steps. So part of this process was brought up by somebody that thought the deferrals may not need to happen. And so what we've done is the city council has directed us to go forward and make a map. And so through our GIS and that, we've worked through many different scenarios. We've gone backwards, forwards, you know, every bit of direction. And we think we've come to a... Pretty good conclusion for City Council to look at I'm going to try to go through this. Hopefully I won't stand in your way of everybody but kind of what if you look at the These blue dots is existing and is required. So what city staff is saying, anything that is like this is required. So you see that there's a school here. So part of the Safe Sidewalk Act requires that we have sidewalks in certain areas here. So you can kind of see how it's went around. Some of this is, like we said, was existing like Deer Hollow, 4th East. There's some corridors that we wanted to have up in there that would be able to have sidewalks for people to walk in. Probably one of our biggest main focuses was looking at the old historic part of town, which we would consider a lot of this area. So if you see the solid red, that means there's no sidewalks proposed. So I think most of the areas that I heard brought up would be not in that area. I heard Second East, where the sycamore trees were at, they're not impacted at all. And so, as we've looked at that, so what we have, too, is we have existing sidewalks but not required, and these are the red dashes, so these would not be required to go in. So, I think I've covered most of it, but a lot of it is, like, looking at main thoroughfares, one note that, you know, this... As Sidewalk already, we're looking at a grant that we may get to redo this road from Main Street all the way to 4th East, maybe even further if we get lucky. But the bottom line is looking at the development and the way things are gonna go forward. So the intent that I have, or the way that I understand it with City Council is, I think I can go away from this now. Sorry. I think the intent that city council has was to come back with a map that we would be able to look at as far as department heads and say, they don't need a deferral, no sidewalks here. This is a common ground that we've all agreed on. And I think that's what we're trying to get to, to where we are covered. You know, there are some things like I mentioned, the school having safe sidewalk around there for the children to walk. I don't know if you've been on Second East, maybe some of these residents live here, and sometimes that can get a little chaotic with the cars coming and going, dropping kids off. So the sidewalks are needed, but there's roughly, I think, if I counted right, seven houses that don't have any sidewalk in front of them. So what do we do from there? Well, nothing in the immediate future until somebody decides to develop. Then we would look at it. I was talking with Brant, and he says there's a possibility some funds that would help pay for that. I don't know if that would come to fruition, but that would be something that we would look at. So the bottom line is I think this is the best shot that staff has come together. I guess what we're asking for as staff is some more guidance and direction. Are you happy with this? Do you have questions on this that I may be able to answer or staff? I know we gave this to Lisa and she took off on it like, You know, it was crazy. She was doing a great job and enjoyed it. And we all enjoyed the process of, you know, going back and forth. Why do we want it here? Why do we not want it here? We tried to look at, you know, streets that had sidewalk in already. So it doesn't impact a lot of residents, but may impact a few down the road, things like that. We tried doing a good scenario that would work out for most residents in some case, but the old part of town, I think is pretty well protected, you know, I agree. I love the old part of town, always have. And so I will open it up for any questions or anything the staff have to come up with that I may have missed.

If I could just offer, I'll be the, let me bring back a fuddy-duddy for a moment on sidewalks. Although we respect the culture of the historic downtown, Bryce and I just attended our risk management summer conference. And one of those areas where we talk about a lot of the risks that the city's experiences and the litigious nature of what's going on with cities. So I just want to get caution as you have no sidewalks that's the inherent risk the city takes on if somebody is injured or gets hit by a vehicle then the city may be taking on that risk because we did not promote or we had an opportunity to install sidewalks and we chose not to. So that's again just a risk and one of the areas we really focused on was the continued increase in our automobile premiums and we're all experiencing that at least I experienced it too. And that's due to distracted driving. In the last month, we had a woman hit on Island View Drive due to distracted driving. She was walking in the street. So again, it's safe, but at the same time, there's risks that cities inherit if there's opportunities to put in sidewalks and we don't. Again, I just want to throw that out there. I'm not saying that we need to change anything, but I want to make you fully aware of the risks we take on when there are no sidewalks.

I might just add one thing that I forgot, too, is that You look at the main road like Main Street, we were pretty cautious in making sure the residents were walking along Main Street to be able to turn up to the first house and be able to get into the area in the old part of town safely. That was one of the other considerations we made. So we tried to make sure that it was safe to get them into the safe area. So anyway.

Mike, can you address, you brought up safe routes to schools, and I think that has been, I mean, I am grateful for the opportunity to look at this tool. I have been a, I've been pretty vocally, you know, adverse to the deferral of the sidewalks and trying to find a tool that maybe was a little more consistent and worked better. But as I was looking at these maps, it dawned on me, it appears that there is somewhat of a backbone in places, and I thought maybe this is the safe routes to schools. As I looked at the safe routes to schools for J.A. Taylor, Centerville Elementary, and Centerville Junior High, they all vary a little bit. It appears that the principals or PTA or somebody is involved in Helping to create those maps. I know they used to have a walk and roll to school day and you would walk with your children and assess You know safety issues race sidewalks no sidewalks those types of things I I know that you have looked at that But how much do those maps change from year to year do we have information on that have we notified our the schools to let them know that we're looking at this and allowed them to weigh in. I think those are some things. I know you're asking for further direction. I think those are some things that I'm just wondering about. Well, I think to clear that up, there are rules that are set up by that.

When we were meeting with this, we had Mark March and our street supervisor who was there who helped us to find it. Like you say, second east from third north going over to first north, that would be a required area that they'd want to have done. So we have looked what the requirement is. Like I say, I think there's seven houses that don't have it that could go in. One of them's got some big trees that would be a loss that would be no good. I wouldn't like it. Maybe you meander around it, but I think there are ways of accomplishing it to get it done. But there again, we're not saying that it has to be done right now. We're just saying as they come forth in wanting to do you know, develop or whatever, that's when we would go back and look at it. And if it's on the map, then obviously we know we've city council has approved it. That's what we would do. That would be our requirement. We won't be coming asking for deferrals anymore. Right. Right. Saying this is kind of how it is. You know, you take the old part of town where it's red. I know I don't have to come and ask you because it's in that area. So that's kind of where we've gone with it. You know, I was trying to you know, make it easier for the person who's trying to build the lots. We had half acres. Subdivision that was trying to get things moving up, I feel like we kind of held them up a little bit because of the deferral process, but that was the process, right? They had to go through it to get the deferral, which they ended up receiving. So, you know, it's a way to speed up to get, you know, people going on their projects a little bit sooner too. And I personally like it because it saves staff time. You know, we have enough things to take up our staff time. I don't need you know, another deal that they get going on.

Okay. Yes, I, I think so. I, I still would like all homeowners notified before any decision is made that are impacted by these because I just went through my cell phone and called a couple of people in these particular neighborhoods that I just had in my phone. I wasn't avoiding anyone or, you know, and I'm grateful for the many people that have weighed in on this tonight. That's very helpful. But in those four cases, I had four people that said, oh, I would prefer sidewalks. And so I want to make sure that we're getting a good, I want to make sure we're doing what the residents want. But also I do want to point out, I think it would be somewhat irresponsible not to consider the impacts. And this doesn't mean I'm opposed to what we're doing with this map, but somewhat irresponsible of me not to have looked at the SRTS guide, which is a national SRTS is a safe routes to schools. I pulled up their section on sidewalks. And this is one statement from there. According to a study by the University of North Carolina Highway Safety Research Center conducted for the Federal Highway Administration, the likelihood of a site with a paved sidewalk being a crash site is 88.2% lower than a site without a sidewalk after accounting for traffic volume and speed limits. Now, I want to preface that it says after accounting for traffic volume and speed limits, obviously we are talking about an incredibly unique area that I do believe has less traffic, so I'm not suggesting that I think that that is a problem. What I'm suggesting is I want to make sure we have a really good understanding of the data here because if we go through with this, I do agree there is additional liability on the city. But worse than that, I don't want one of our kids being hit by a car. I don't want that lady up on Island View Drive to have been hit because there was a distracted driver. So those are the questions that I feel like I am hoping we can get answered. And I'm not sure I'm comfortable that we have quite addressed all of that. So that's where I'm at. But I want to get a tool here that I agree it would be really nice if staff doesn't have to do these deferrals all the time. I want to do what the residents want to do. I just want to make sure that we also keep our kids safe. And I don't wanna be the one that was irresponsible and said, oh, it's okay. I mean, Robin knows there's many near misses at her, Her crosswalk, no, that's on Main Street. So that's, I just want to say, I know this is a different neighborhood, but that's what I'm worried about.

And it has been a neighborhood for a long time with no sidewalks. So we're not making it more dangerous than it's already been. Right. And just like the lady that was hit, there was a sidewalk and she's walking in the road. And I'll be honest, I walk in the road every day. I don't know what to tell you.

There is a sidewalk on one side of the road, right? Oh, no, maybe there is one on both.

On Island View?

On Island View, there's not on both.

But she was walking.

Well, right up here is, I don't know where she was hit, but right here it shows that it's required but not existing.

On the east side of the road, which doesn't make a lot of sense. But anyway, I think what you all have done is great. I agree with... council member Hurst that there are some things that we can kind of flush out here and with some more research but I also like to say that I believe that we need to adhere to the residents that are in the neighborhood and that ultimately if there is something that we can do to put this into the code that would be that would make it so that we there is no ambiguity that there are not going to be any sidewalks in the historic district where they're not required that would be something that i would be supportive of and i mentioned it last time if liability or safety is a concern that Lowering the speed limit in the neighborhood to 20 miles per hour is something that I would be open to. I already drive very slow in the neighborhood, but putting the speed limit at 20 would be something that would ensure that people are being more safe and being aware of their surroundings.

Okay. Anybody got any other comments or questions?

Yes, Mayor Pro Tem. This is Councilman Bangerter. I was glad to see Chief Ackerson walking forward. I would be very interested in hearing some of his perspective from a public safety perspective on this. But also, I'm not quite understanding the three maps. Is one of those three a preference that staff is leaning toward, direct command to the council, the differentiation? I mean, they're all... future potential considerations. Where are we with the three differential maps?

My understanding is that these are all the same map of what staff's recommending. We just had different opinions on how to represent the areas that needed sidewalks and areas that no sidewalk would be required. comparing that to existing data of existing sidewalks so there was some GIS issue of hey we already show on our map existing sidewalks so that is the only difference and you'll have to look at the legend to know the difference and so for instance the one that's on the screen now it says sidewalk required but not yet existing in blue red sidewalk not required but some exist and then yellow is existing my problem with this map is if i own property with a yellow and it's existing it doesn't tell me if i always have to keep that sidewalk or not we need i would like an area that's just red which means this area does not require sidewalks whether they're existing or not they don't require sidewalks so if you decide you want to take your sidewalk out you can same thing okay well then and so this map is a little this one is saying whatever's red solid red no sidewalk required and doesn't exist but no not required but existing are the hashed red so you can see where you have sidewalks that are existing but would not be required in the future

So those are the dashed red or where they could, if they wanted to remove it, they could.

Yes, potentially. And you'll see it's around the churches and other things. And then same thing with the blue. The solid blue is required but not yet existing. And the dashed blue is existing and required. So this one, if you own property, you can look at this map and know, am I blue or red? And is it required or not required? Whereas the yellow did not clearly state whether it was required or not. So that's how we went from the yellow to the red and blue and why we kept the dash. I think because under the GIS data, we already have data of where sidewalks are existing and we want to retain that GIS data on our zoning map. And our GIS specialist did say that he updates these sidewalk maps every time they are updated continually when we get new development and a new sidewalk is in. Because I said, well, you're going to have to keep the map updated. And he says, oh, I do anyway. That's awesome. Okay.

Thank you, Lisa. Thank you, Mike.

Thank you, Council. I just had a couple thoughts. Councilwoman Hurst, you brought up safer outs.

Yeah.

So that's something basically that has been said for a really long time and the only time changes are made to the routes or when there are changes, maybe school boundaries or major changes to roads, considerations for crosswalks. Everything's kind of set in stone right now and there's no plans I know of to change those. And it's up to the schools to maintain that website where all those safe routes are located.

That was the impression I had when I kind of researched through it. And so I just wanted to know how often they might change that. I agree a school boundary change would precipitate. Right, not often.

We occasionally get requests to make those changes. In fact, most recently with all the construction going on, we had a request to move their crosswalk from 9th South, 4th East over to the Pages intersection and trying to accommodate children walking from the south side of Pages over. Does that make sense?

Yeah.

Unfortunately, the boundary for Taylor is pages. And so any students who may be coming from the other side of pages is there on a deferral, right? And that's up to parents to, and so on. Yeah. Anyway, there's a lot of considerations for moving and we rarely make changes because that just makes everyone even more confused. But one of the considerations I've had as, as we talk about kids walking to school is the potential for a permanent daylight savings time and children walking to school in the dark a lot more than they do already. Right now there's not a lot of, especially for the elementary school, for the most part by the time they get there the sun's up and drivers are able to see a little better. But if you have permanent daylight savings goes into effect, we'll have a lot of children walking.

which is the shortest day that the sun would rise at 8.52 a.m. when you have your shortest day, if that's permanent. So 8.52 would be your sunrise.

And we do get light before the sun rises, so it would not be dark. It shouldn't be, right?

One of your crossing guards might be there in the dark, but other than that, we won't mention names.

I maybe did want to mention, too, that another quote from this... Website and I'm not trying to put a pin in this discussion I'm just trying I want I want the data from both sides so that I can you know try to make the best decision but a study of the California SRTS program has shown that providing sidewalks is one of the most effective engineering measures in encouraging children to walk to school and In a day and age where we are hearing from young specialists with young children that their core strength is not what it needs to be, that to me is I'm like, how do we encourage them to walk to school? And maybe this neighborhood isn't impacted by that. I'm sure most of the kids in these neighborhoods do walk to school. My kids always walk to school. The schools are pretty close. So I'm not trying to... I'm not trying to rain on anyone's parade. I'm just saying, I'm just trying to understand potential impacts by, you know, maybe sort of pseudo permanently saying we're just not gonna put sidewalks in these areas.

I don't know that. My perspective is the public safety officer, right? I'll always argue for sidewalks. They do provide more safety. Obviously, I don't live in that area. And so I'm not the person trying to make the balance between the aesthetics and the property value and the way things are set against safety of pedestrians. So I don't have to make that balance.

Can I ask? This year. We're in the eighth month. Have you had any calls out to the historic district for an injury with an auto and a pedestrian in the specific area between Parrish and Porter and Main Street and 4th East? Have there been any accidents involving a pedestrian and an automobile?

I don't know. Not off the top of my head, not without doing some research. Typically, those do come to my attention, but especially if we had a more serious one, absolutely would come to my attention. I'm not aware of a serious one, but we do frequently get minor run-in pedestrians and vehicles that traditionally, for the most part, don't have major injuries, but then there are times where they definitely do. But no, I can't accurately answer your question with that.

I can think of one that did occur where there were sidewalks and a crosswalk just down on 4th East in my neighborhood. So it's not something that is predicated to if a sidewalk does not exist, there is going to be an accident. That's not necessarily true. And I would be curious to know about the history of the historic district and accidents in that district with pedestrians and automobiles. That would be something that would be, I think, beneficial to all of us to kind of hear and know how many accidents are getting reported, severity of those accidents.

However, Council Member Plummer, I do want to state a sidewalk's available. So the risk to the city is a little different if a sidewalk is available and they choose not to use it versus a sidewalk could have been installed and the city offers a deferral, right? So there's a matter of you still have that choice, but again, the liability is on the city. So if you make that decision... then your risk is different.

Then we should actually, where there is no need for sidewalks, we need to then state that there is no need for a sidewalk. The rest of this probably is a closed session topic, but yes, I get what you're saying. an issue, the accident would be the responsibility of the driver, not the city. And that's the way it should be.

I've opened the door, sorry.

I have stated in a prior meeting that cities are not obligated to install sidewalks. they are not liable if there is not a sidewalk and someone gets hit in the street. So that is not a city liability. We're not obligated to build sidewalks. And there is a statute that says if you are a pedestrian and you are walking in the street, you have to walk as close as possible to the curb. So the statute is acknowledging that pedestrians There will be areas without sidewalks and that. But that said, I do think the policy question is, and the data shows, sidewalks are much safer to use than walking in the street. And so I think what you are balancing here is the aesthetics and the historic nature of the, the neighborhood versus safety on sidewalks. And that is why staff in looking at these, we were trying to limit the area to residential streets. So you'll see we're only using all of the major arterials are excluded. So they have to have sidewalks, main street and fourth east and page, uh, parish and Porter. have to have sidewalks because those are higher speeds and larger roads. And so we're talking, we're limiting it to those. And you'll also see staff is recommending anything along the commercial area coming off of main street so you can come around but then when you get into the residential area so it has to be a residential area with residential speeds and that sort of thing i think that would probably what i would focus on if we build sidewalks then the city becomes responsible for maintaining and that's where the liability comes in if we know about displacement of a sidewalk and we don't notify people of it and we don't fix it within a reasonable time, we may be liable. We're also not automatically liable for a displacement that we don't know about. We can't go around, we have miles and miles of sidewalks and so um the cities are given discretionary function to determine how are we going to fix these and when are we going to expend money to fix the sidewalk so our obligation is to inspect and notify and repair when we can as funds are available

My comment as the council person, not as the mayor pro-term, one thing I think we need to look at is the history. I mean, I don't want to be up here having people look at me like I'm willing to put anybody in risk because there is a long history. I can honestly tell you I've been in the historic district wandering the streets for a very long time. There are people here in this audience that would tell you, I think it's safer to walk in the middle of the road than the cars be sure and see you. So that's my philosophy. I also think that even as a crossing guard, when I'm I look in the road and I've even been scared when I back out of my driveway, I'm looking more in the road than I am to the sidewalk. So I can honestly say that they're safer with people backing out on a sidewalk they come along sometimes they're blocked by fences and or you're looking at the road to see if anybody's coming and all of a sudden the bike comes and you're like where did they come from but if they're on the road you're looking for a car as a crossing guard it's really hard for me when I walk out I'm looking at the road and all of a sudden I have one of these new electric bicycles come through if one of them doesn't take me out it's going to be a miracle because I've stepped in front of more than one because I don't expect that Person or vehicle to be going that fast on the sidewalk. I never check both ways I do now I'm trying to be better check both ways trying really hard to be better now Look both ways on the sidewalk before I step out in front But so there is a thought that sometimes you check the road and you don't check the sidewalk or sidewalks are more apt to have site Disruptions, so I'm not trying to make anybody feel any more dangerous. And like I said, I think it's, I feel like sometimes when we're talking, we're acting like we're pulling the sidewalks out and we're not.

But we are potentially at some point changing the landscape of the roads. Here is an example that I can think of. As you, as you know, I've walked through the historic district of, I love walking through historic Centerville as much as anyone. And I spent a lot of years with my kids on little bikes and me pushing a stroller But here's my question, and maybe I might need Mike Carlson to help with it. But let's just look at 300 East. That's a road that I walked a lot when my kids were little. And there is a stop sign going north to south or south to north. There's a stop sign, right? There's a stop sign. I feel like the traffic on that particular road is very slow. But also, it's partly slow, we all know, because as 4th East has been shut down and we're getting detoured down there, there's a lot of waterways. Right? And we have to slow down for the dip. But we're taking those waterways out. So at some point, the speeds could go up a little bit.

Except you have a stop sign at every street. You do. So it's pretty hard to get going very fast. You do, but then this is my point.

Here's my point. That from north to south feels okay. But what about east to west? Do we ever track the speeds? Do people get going faster than they should? Now that's for the chief. I'm going all over the place. I don't want to incriminate nobody. Those are just the things I think. I mean, the roads do change, right? You're going to design it differently the next time you place that road. The waterway will go away.

Eventually, yeah, over a long period of time.

I get it could be a really long time. There'll be another city council a long time from now. Yeah, I'm grateful.

No, I mean, we see it all the time. I mean, we were working up on First South and the people coming off of Island View were coming extremely fast. That's why we put the radar sign that told them how fast they were going. And sometimes that helps, sometimes it doesn't. But yeah, I mean, your east or west streets do tend to have people going a lot faster. Even though we did fix that one at Third South and Third East, you still gotta go slow. It just took away part of the problem. And the only way to take away the whole problem is to lower the east-west down and then run it to go through. all of a sudden you're having cars come up and down, which is not going to work either. I mean, it just was a short-term fix to try and stop what was going on there. Sure.

Right, right. I mean, an immediate kind of emergency stopgap measure.

But I mean, again, I mean, excuse me for the way I'm going to say it right, but what I'm trying to say is, you know, we enjoy the old part of town, right? And to me, the waterways is part of the old part of town. I mean, you go slow. That's what you do, right? You don't have sidewalks, and that's why we don't go fast in the old part of town. We enjoy the old part of town because, in my opinion, this is all my opinion, you're in the historical area, right? You have all the old houses. You have the old post office. You have the old Pony Express building. You have all the neat things in town, and it's like this is a historical area. And so I don't think, you know, taking the waterways out is cool, but in one way, you're starting to lose, in my opinion, you're losing the effect of the old part of town. If you make it to where people can go fast and convenient, you're kind of taking away the old part of town. Matter of fact, I can think back to, I'll date myself, 1983, when we started removing the roads in the old part of town, when they just finished putting curb and gutter in there. Yeah, I've been here that long, but I remember taking out the asphalt, and the old part of town was a cool place. To me, I mean, I don't know if I would do it, but, you know, back in my mind thinks Mike Carlson would go walk in the old part of town just because I enjoy the old part of town. The big sycamore trees, you know, all the neat things that are there, the historical things are there, you know. And so, you know, I guess I would say don't modernize it. That's what I would say. I mean, I realize that one on Third East and Third South was a bad deal. We needed to do something. I appreciate Mark thinking outside the box and going in and taking care of it. But I don't know if we can remedy everything that's going on in the old part of town. And my question is, do you really want to?

I agree. Thank you, Michael. Thank you very, very much. And thank you to staff for putting so much time and thought in. energy into looking at this. Do you need any more from us on this subject?

I think staff is just looking for direction on which of the three labeling maps do you... Is that what this was all about?

I think number two is clearly a better map in that we understand what's existing, what's not existing, what isn't required, and what is required. I think that is the...

easier to understand what's enforceable. And then the intent is that getting this direction and making sure that the council is still on board with moving forward with the idea, the concept of coming up with a map where sidewalks are not required in the city, then we will bring back an ordinance amendment because we recently amended our ordinance to add more conditions for the deferral. So now we need to redraft that because the idea would be that we would no longer be allowing deferral agreements. You either are in an area where sidewalks are required or you're in an area where they're not. And we will not be entertaining deferral agreements anymore. then we'll bring back those ordinance amendments and as part of those amendments, this map. Now, if we can have some discussion as staff, whether we want to bring that back as a work session and you can go block by block, there are some specific issues and areas that it's difficult. But anyway, that would be the next step. And at some point when we bring the ordinance back, we would or could notice this in public hearing. Perfect.

Thank you.

Thank you, Council.

It's not a public comment item, Council Member Meekin.

You're welcome to contact any city council member and give them your comment after the meeting or on our phones. Okay, so... We'll move back to number one, the Outdoor Recreation Planning Assistance Contract for Wheels Park Design Grant.

All right. This is going to be fun. So I'll give you a little about Bruce Cox, Park Center, Wheel Parks and Recreation Director. while back that we had an opportunity to apply for a grant from the state of Utah, Division of Outdoor Recreation for planning assistance. And we applied for that grant and were recently awarded $40,000. And what's being presented to you is the contract has been reviewed by our council and is We're asking city council if they want to give the mayor Authority to go ahead and sign that contract and then we can move forward with actually keep doing the planning doing and putting together a conceptual plan and cost estimates rough engineering rough rough cost estimates and things of what it would cost to build a bike park all wheels park and I in addition want to take this opportunity to create a little bit of vision I don't know if you've had opportunity to visit any of the the bike parks I know that built nine new ones in the state of Utah this this last couple years and I I put in your packet some pictures of the city of Bluffdale. This is a pump track that they did and you can see outside it has a bowl. Nibley, the city of Nibley just had a ribbon cutting open. This is their pump track. It's a place for all wheels. It's for bicycles, strider bikes, scooters, roller blades, skateboards. There's banked turns, there's bumps and hills. The name Pump Track comes from once you get started, the momentum going down the hill carries you up the next hill. And so you don't actually do a lot of pedaling, but you're just riding the bumps and enjoying the course. And you can go at the speed that you feel comfortable. And so it's attractive to little kids and older kids and older adults as well. the city of Farmington just recently has their conceptual plan. I think I just sent it to, Oh, great. So this is far. So, um, lagoon lagoon decommissioned their jet star two roller coaster and they gave the old ride to the city of Farmington and the city of Farmington gave it to their designers. And so you can see, you've got the arrows pointing there, the yellow track, those are parts of the original Jet Star 2 track. And they've done some incorporation over on where the skate features are. One of the Jet Star 2 cars is anticipated they'll put it in there as kind of an obstacle that kids can ride over and jump on and different things. And so they're giving their bike park a a roller coaster theme with a nod to the history of the Jet Star II right at Lagoon. And I show you that because I think Centerville could build one with a Centerville flavor. One idea was that we do a nod to the Phillips 66 service station. Ron's service station has been there as a landmark for quite a while and it could be a gas station-themed bike park that has a bell that dings as they ride their scooter across or their bicycle or skateboard. It has old gas pumps. It has triangle-shaped shade structures with a sign that says Ron's Service. And we do a Route 66 theme to our bike park. One idea that could connect it to Centerville and make it a little more fun. Similar to what Farmington's doing with their Lagoon ride. I also have just a short video that just shows, if you haven't seen kids playing on these, I went to the American Fork one, and while I was there, there was someone in a... a wheelchair that someone was pushing them up and down the bumps. There was also a mom there with her kids, and she had her stroller. And she was going over through the bike park with her stroller. So I show this video just to give a vision of what one of these could be. And then with your approval, we'll start doing some designs. And certainly all those designs will come back to this council. And the idea is that I can then use that conceptual plan and those cost estimates to apply for a construction grant that would, if we were to award it, would be next year. That could help, and that would be a matching grant. This grant does not have any strings attached. There's no matching. It's $40,000 to help pay for the design. And the only string, if you want to call it a string, expectation that if you put this money into making a really cool design that you then will eventually move forward and build it somewhere. The designs will be made to where we can put it wherever the City Council would like to put it. In the city we have multiple locations where it could work and somewhere it would has different pros and cons of where you might decide to to put something like this but certainly where it'd be easy to access for lots of people. Let's show that video. I think it's only a minute and a half or so. It's not. 48 seconds.

48 seconds.

There we go. That's 48 seconds of show offs that obviously have spent lots of time practicing and doing tricks and things. There will be some that do that. That's probably not what you see every day. That's what they put together for their video. But just an idea of what can be done to create a vision. I think Council Member Hurst mentioned we have traditionally and continue to put a lot of money and resources into baseball fields, soccer fields, tennis courts, pickleball courts, lacrosse football, the traditional sports, and this is a great outdoor recreation. It gets kids that maybe aren't on a team, maybe they're not interested in sports, even adults and those too that aren't playing on a team currently or getting together. A lot of people have a baseball mitt or a softball glove, but even more people have a bike or a scooter or a skateboard. And I think this would be money well spent by the city to forward this and highly recommend that you allow our mayor to accept the grant money, and that we make plans to put in an awesome all-wheels park.

Obviously, the expense of this is dependent upon how much you have, how big it is, how many things there are going to be, how many components there are to it. Is there a range that we can kind of understand will this might be about X amount or between this amount as we are looking at saying, okay, if we approve this 40,000, then we're kind of saying, well, yeah, we're going to move forward, but what's the next expense? What are we talking about?

You're exactly right. Depending on the size of the location where we want to put it, if this is going to be a half acre size, a full acre size, a two acre size, um, Uh, I would say top end is around a million dollars and I would say, um, bottom would be about 300,000. So somewhere in there and city, and if we could get the matching grant, it would be about half of that. So, um, okay. But I, I, our pickleball courts were over a million dollars. Okay.

So I agree, I think it looks really fun, and I think we need more things in our community for our kids to do. So that being said, I'm willing to go on for it. I'm a little concerned when you say, we're just kind of saying, I guess I don't want you to come back and say, well, you took the $40,000, so now we're kind of obligated, we've got a matching grant, we want you to give us another $500,000, and we're like, We don't have that in the budget. And you're like, yeah, well, then you shouldn't have took the $40,000. So that makes me a little nervous because I may do that. I may, if the price is more than what we have, that was my question was how much. And then I'm a little frustrated because going through the application, you've put that you want it here. I'm a little concerned. I've worked very hard as, you know, this has always been our passive park. This is our only place. Somebody said to me, it was underutilized. And I said, but you'd be surprised because this is the park that's used for reunions, high school reunions, any kind of church activities in our community. There's so many things that can take place that that's the only Bowery that we have that's big enough to handle those. And if you put this right next to that Bowery, they're not really competitive. compatible with the family reunion, the school graduation. We have a lot of preschool graduations. We have other school graduations there. I mean, you know, Bruce, we get it booked and probably used even more with not booked. But I know that usually every Friday night, every Saturday and every Sunday, you got by there and there's a big party there. So I have a concern with that. My other concern is were really dwindling in the kid department in this area, which makes me very sad. And so I'm concerned that we did that, whereas if we could put it down by community park where you take your kids to play baseball or football or soccer, you've got little ones that could go and play on this. As opposed to here, this is the only thing you're going to come here to do. And we could even lose our school here due to the lack of kids. So that's a concern to me that we've kind of...

It might not get used as much if it was there.

Mm-hmm.

So let me address your first question. I would come back and say, hey, you're on the hook now. I was able to get a matching grant. I would never ask for money that the city doesn't have for you to do something or spend money that the city doesn't have revenue. I believe we would make some different design options that could make it fit within what the RAP tax brings in and also with different revenue sources as far as what the city would be willing to put towards that. I think you're, and even then if you decide, hey, this isn't a year for it, we've got other priorities, this is something that could, A CONCEPTUAL PLAN OR DESIGN WORK, THE ONLY THING THAT WOULD CHANGE WOULD BE MAYBE COST ESTIMATES WOULD CHANGE WITH MATERIALS AND THINGS LIKE THAT. BUT IT COULD SIT ON A SHELF. IT COULD SIT ON A SHELF FOR A YEAR OR TWO YEARS OR A COUPLE OF YEARS UNTIL CITY FELT THAT THAT WAS OKAY, NOW THAT BECOMES A PRIORITY WE WOULD LIKE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH. Hopefully that answers your question in that there's no strings attached. This is $40,000 to do a conceptual plan and cost estimates and some rough engineering and to have it ready For one of the requirements for applying for the other grant is you have to have a conceptual plan. And this gets that part done for us. So we can't even apply for the matching grant for building something unless we have a conceptual plan and we have cost estimates. So this helps us get the baby step that far along. As far as location, That's one of the things that we will tell our designers. We would like you to consider this site if the City Council wants to decide on a site and tell them this is a site where we want to put it up front. That will make it easier for them to know what they're working with. If you'd like them to say, design it so it can be put in a couple different sites. We'll decide later where we're going to put it. That could also very well be an option.

Bruce, I think the recommendation would be let's just have a work session with the consultant to kick it off, and then it might require some conversations with the residents, maybe a neighborhood meeting of sorts. But I think, first thing, we should have a conversation with council and start saying something.

So ESI Engineering, in-house, will be the project manager of this. And then they will work with subcontractors that are experts in these kinds of parts. move forward on choosing that until we first get the contract signed. Nothing can be done before the contract signed with the state. So this is the first step for that, is to get that signed. Once they get that back, then they say, OK, now you can start choosing designers. You can start having work sessions with those designers. You can share your vision, and they can create vision however you want. So hopefully that to answer your question, Councilman Meatham, the questions of location and cost, okay. Was there a third one? I know location cost and wanting to keep the park a quiet, passive park. And we're running out of kids. I can't help with that. I pass.

Well, I can tell you how we can help with that. We need amenities that bring families in. That's what they want.

That's true. There's a lot of young families in Farmington. That's true. That's true.

You have a fun park like this.

That's a great selling point to any one of those houses.

We have to support that if we want them to come.

This is walking distance to this historic district. They all left, but they didn't get to see my presentation. That's walking distance to the historic distance. It is, and I'm going to... And every one of those kids would ride their bike and scooter over there to play.

I'm not... I'm just going to... I've said this on record before, but I'm not sure that I understand why we want a passive park. They should be getting used, and I agree that lots of people use the pavilion, but I don't see a lot of the other land being used.

You know, if I'm planning a family reunion for my family, I'm looking for pickleball courts, and I'm looking for pump tracks. I'm going... I'm looking for what can everybody do once we get there? Is there a disc golf course? Is there a pump track? Is there a pickleball court? Is there volleyball? Can I do those things at my family reunion or with my high school reunion? Is there fun stuff for everybody to do at this place? That's what I look for.

That's what we do too. We don't go to a park that has a playground. We're going to go somewhere where... And I will say this about these pump tracks. My son lives right next to the Nibley City pump track and... is incredible there are older people riding that pump track there are tiny little kids that's how we taught my little guy to ride a mountain bike and and he's now nine years old and riding mountain bike trails like a beast we have so this is a really great opportunity for little kids and mountain biking is huge and i'd be happy wherever it got built just like the pickleball courts but i do see

benefits to the city in that we already have parking lots that are lit. We already have a police station next door. We have a fun historical landmark that we could highlight. It could make a great connection between our city hall and our museum and our park. So I disagree. I think it'd be great location for it. I think the neighborhood would love it. I think all their property values would go up. I think there'd be young families looking to buy houses in this area.

i don't think it was a noisy like when i was at the nibbly city one i mean there was i probably similar to a playground no they put loud music to the video but it's it's some laughing and some that that was that was not how the okay so that was crazy town compared to the nibbly city now maybe it'll get more crazy i've visited a couple and it is they're moving a lot slower

You don't even know why these people are on it until you can see them. There's not a noise element to it.

And they're moving a little slower because there's a lot of kids.

Family reunions, those are noisy. I don't know, we might want to consider curbing the family reunions because they're pretty noisy. No, I recommend that you allow the mayor to sign the contract with the state and take this money and put it towards building a really fun all-wheels park.

This is Councilman Banger. I'd just like to say I'm favorable to moving ahead with the concept design and seeing where we'd be with costs especially. I do want to caution that given the financial position the city's in, that we've heard as we're going through Budgeting in all areas and issues right now, there has been a substantial amount of revenue contributed towards parks and rec. And is timing appropriate? Can we afford this? And I do think it hasn't been brought up at all, but maybe an evening, if this is super close to highly residential concentrated area and homes, Evenings, I think the attraction of this to a little older children, adolescents and hard years, the impact is probably much different than it is during the day when young children are out there with their moms learning how to ride a bike. So just I'm favorable to the grant we have available, but I would caution staff to get too excited. We've got to carefully consider if we can afford this.

But wouldn't the funding come from the RAC tax, which is restricted to those types of projects?

You can't use that money for anything but parks, recreation, and arts. So you're restricted to using those funds for things like this.

I'd also say if we had a place for, I know the teens are spending time at the pickleball courts. Providing some options like that, even if it is in the evenings, is important in the fact that it sort of keeps them out of trouble.

And I'd still recommend you keep all your same park ordinances.

It closes at 10 o'clock. The lights go off.

I don't think you'll have an issue with that. If they do, the police station is next door.

Well, and if we did consider this... That might be the best place to have it. We do still need to decide. I mean, it was like with the pickleball courts. We've got to decide what's going to happen with this building and the area around it.

I mean, I don't want to build it and then have them decide to build the... We've talked about that, and I think you're referring to a public safety building and

or a new city hall or yeah, I mean, I know there's a lot of, we need to decide that before we.

I do particularly love the nod to Ron Randall's gas station, especially if it is in this area, just because that's such a fun historical memory.

I mean, one of my reports you might have noticed, there was a picture of the Kitty Land ride at Lagoon that opened in 1960, and it had the same exact design as Ron's service station, and I think that would be a really fun thing to put into the bike park.

It hasn't been brought up, though, that we're also pretty close proximity to a pretty nice one up in Farmington.

Yeah, we could just, as a matter of fact, we could even just offer this grant money to them and let them build it.

The only issue I would say with that is that you've got to load up your bikes and put them in a car if you're taking little kids. And I appreciate the fact of having amenities that my kids can just get to.

I feel bad that they beat us.

Even by themselves.

I was hoping we would be the first city in Davis County to get one. And unfortunately, Farmington has a different revenue stream and they're getting theirs first.

We had to drive our kid to Draper to find a pump track at the time. So even if we have two next door to each other, these are well used, well loved.

As far as I know, there's still not another one in South Davis County. And Farmington's will be at least a year before theirs is ready to go. Yeah, so there's not one close by.

okay so do we have the information on that that you yeah do we need to make an do we need to make a motion to approve um i'll i'll make a motion i'll make a motion that we approve the outdoor recreation planning assistance contract for the wills park design grant with the state of utah division of natural resources division of outdoor recreation and authorized the mayor to sign on behalf of the city second

If you want, you can authorize the mayor pro tem to sign it tonight.

I'm going to amend my motion and state that we'll have the mayor pro tem sign on behalf of the city so we can get that rolling.

Do we want to start Brian?

I will second the amendment as well. And I will then say aye. Okay. Aye.

Aye. Aye.

Aye.

Are you still there, Councilman Hayden?

I think she's gone. Okay, that passed by a unanimous vote. We'll move on to business item number two, maintenance and ownership cooperative agreement for drainage improvements associated with I-15 construction project. I'm assuming this is probably... Mike or Dave again?

I can talk about it.

Oh, OK. We're going to turn this over to Lisa.

As you know, the city has been negotiating with Utah Department of Transportation for the acquisition of various city properties along the frontage road for an expansion project to I-15. We're still in negotiation with them about essentially selling city property to UDOT for that project. But one major concern of the city regarding that project is drainage and making sure because that area has historically been used as the swale area along the frontage road. And so the city wanted to be sure that the property acquisition documents made an acknowledgement similar to what we've done in the past that you got would handle all drainage and you know associated with the project and uh... not alter or impact the drainage from their project and this time around they said they would prefer to do it by separate agreement that was more long-term so this is a long-term agreement essentially handling drainage under i fifteen for the centerville area and so we felt like it was acceptable to have these property agreements as long as we had this drainage agreement in place. So the drainage agreement that's before you is a cooperative agreement identifying all of the storm drainage systems that goes from essentially Frontage Road across I-15 and across the railroad right of way as well. and kind of identifying these are the ones that centerville owns and maintains these are the ones that udot owns and maintains and here are a few even though the county is not a party to this agreement here are the few that we think the county owns and maintains and we think all of these need to be addressed with this expansion of the freeway so then we went through those and a lot of the issues regarding storm drainage are obviously engineering issues. And so in the design build contract that UDOT is putting out to bid, our city engineer Kevin Campbell has worked closely with UDOT on that attachment of what the design builder has to accomplish to keep these drainage pipes through and they will be adding some and deleting some. And so this agreement very much relies upon what we're calling part seven to UDOT's design build RFP, but essentially that part seven will be exhibit A to this agreement for the portion in Centerville saying, yes, you need to do everything. You need to make sure that your contractor will perform everything in part seven. And if you do so, then we also agree who is going to own and maintain those once they're installed. I think we came up with a pretty acceptable language here. We did try to ask them if they would, since we only own three or four drainage systems through this area, if they would like to just own and maintain them in their right of way. We tried. They said no. But they basically said that they, UDOT will maintain the structural integrity of city facilities within their right of way and under the freeway, but the city maintains the inside of those pipes. So I think it's a good compromise that they understand if they put too much weight and that causes damage to our pipes, that's their issue. But if the pipes get clogged, that's our issue.

I felt like that was a huge, awesome deal for us. I was like, we absolutely should maintain the inside because that's the part. But I agree with you. I would have been saying, hey, if you... do something crazy in your right of way that we can't control that with. So I was very pleased to read that. And it's very difficult to access them.

You know, we're not going to be able to access. So I think Kevin did a really good job negotiating with them and following up and making sure that it was a very detailed exhibit and, um, and it has been amended. So, um, I think that this is a reasonable agreement. And so at this point we're still working on some language, uh, to paragraph four, um, I think regarding our right to inspections. Again, they believe that we don't need inspection language in here because should be part of the construction contract and I said okay show me where it is in another contract because there's a lot of overlying contracts here and if it if our if we're adequately protected to inspect during the construction of facilities that will be later turned over to the city then that's fine but so anyway so we're recommending that you approve this agreement but you'll see the additional language subject to the city attorney approval of final contract revisions and city engineer approval of exhibit a. So they, we just want to make sure that there are no more amendments on part seven to the RFP so that it's exactly the same as this agreement. Um, and that we have the, um, inspection and field review language that we want. But I think Kevin and I can handle that if you're acceptable to approving this subject to those, final corrections.

Okay. I really appreciate the staff and all the work you've gone into this and I'll be honest I'm just having to trust all of you because I do not have the education that I would need to really understand all of this and so I really appreciate it and I put my trust in staff.

Yeah and like I said I think Kevin has done a lot and we've also done a lot of the the modeling for you know the drainage systems in this area so we appreciate his work on that and and brant was involved in all of the meetings as well so and we appreciate i think udot was good to work with as well as their consultants they spent a lot of time with us i don't know how much time other cities are giving them but i felt like they gave us you know Thank you. Do we have any other comments?

I was just going to say, I really do appreciate staff. I agree with you. I think UDOT has been, they have a great project manager on this project and I, you can, I feel like he's been just pretty awesome to work with, but obviously staff was, you can tell staff and Kevin were involved in the nuts and bolts of this agreement because it really does Protect the city on many fronts. So really?

Thank you well the concern of course was if you're gonna take away some of our swell and then the offers that they're offering us for the land may not compensate for the infrastructure. So the offers were just for land and not necessarily public facilities zoned land and not accounting for our drainage system. So if we need to reconstruct drainage facilities, then the offers are way too low. And so that was the conversation that led to this to make sure we get our drainage facilities taken care of before we accept the lower amount, essentially,

the public facility zoning of the land and so this had to happen first so offers will more likely come at the next meeting or the first meeting so this is in a sense this is that was my question is are we getting or if we approve this which again I think I agree with both of the other council members here and the work that's gone up to this but are we are we saying that this is going to then affect the the price that we can get for our own land. Is that fair to say?

So the price they're offering us, Ian will discuss, is now a reasonable offer of what they're offering for the land and the easements because they are investing, at one point, Kevin's estimates, I don't know if it's changed, was approximately $10 million in drainage infrastructure. I remember that. So I think we're doing pretty good.

Yeah.

I have a couple of questions. I'm just curious from a liability perspective, for us taking over ownership of what they construct for us, and I understand we're only responsible for the interior of the pipe, But is there, Lisa, a liability there for if those pipes weren't designed in big enough diameter to accommodate the amount of flow they might get? And the other question would be, I noticed in the contract that there are limits as to percentage of flow allowable in some of those pipes. How is that metered? How is it understood how much is being discharged into those drainage pipes from various entities?

Yeah, on the discharge, it's probably a Kevin question, but I'm assuming that it depends on the intake, you know, so it will only discharge at a certain rate. Aren't we modeling?

I'm assuming Kevin's modeling this and providing the sizing that's appropriate.

So Kevin has modeled it and accounts for UDOT has its own drainage that it wants to account for in the pipe. So that is also factored in. So there's a certain flow UDOT will require, the city will require, and even potentially the county. So all that's being factored into the modeling, and that's what they're sized for. And they're sized for future, right? So they're not sized for what our needs are today. They're sized for future.

How far into the future did we go? 3,000 years.

I don't know. Kevin's not here, but it's size.

I guess I'd like to know that. We don't need to know today, but I'm assuming probably build-out conditions just because we're close enough at this point that that would make the most sense.

And then in response to your other question, Council Member Bangader, so again, the city currently owns and maintains four drainage systems through here, and one will be abandoned. So now we're down to three. And I'm not sure if... I know I had mentioned that if UDOT is constructing something for us. I'm not sure if they're constructing. I know one will be abandoned. There's one new and the replacement of 11 different buildings. uh... pipes but they're not necessarily all of our so i don't know if they're actually building a new pipe that we will then maintain but a lot of the inspection and field review is also any construction within our right of way so anytime someone wants to build something in our right of way we want to inspect and review that as well so this provision would also be addressing that now to the extent that they would be constructing something for us um maybe on either end because i know there was some extension across the frontage road of maybe some of our facilities again i believe that our city engineer has been involved in the modeling and you know input on the design of those so um I don't see that it increases our liability any more than us hiring our own contractor, which is what we usually do. So we usually for a city project will hire somebody with an RFP, but we will do the field review and the inspection because that's what's important to make sure that it's, you know, being constructed properly.

Okay. Do we have any more questions? If not, do we have a motion?

I'll make a motion that we approve the maintenance and ownership cooperative agreement for drainage improvements between the city and UDOT for drainage improvements associated with the I-15 reconstruction project, subject to city attorney approval of final contract revisions and city engineer approval of exhibit A. I'll second that.

We'll start with our voting with Councilman Plummer.

Aye.

Aye.

Aye.

Aye.

That being unanimous with four. We'll move on to number four. Oh, no, number three, sorry. Statewide utility license agreement renewal. I'm assuming this is probably Lisa also.

Yes. Not totally related to... the acquisitions and other things and the road construction. UDOT notified us that our statewide utility license agreement with them expired in May. I do think it's related because I'm assuming their attorneys are looking at all contracts since they're coming through and doing a project in our area. And so we have previously entered into this agreement. It's a five-year agreement and it's essentially allowing it is referring to the construction and maintenance of city utility lines in their right of way. So it's essentially their sort of franchise agreement for us to have our facilities in their right of way. And it's a master agreement. And just in looking at my records, this goes back probably at least to 2016 and maybe 2011. So we have just consistently entered into five year agreements allowing our facilities to be in their right of way and what we have to do to construct and maintain in their right of way. And so I think they just realized that this was expired and that they wanted us to renew it, but they also have a new form that they're asking everyone to sign. So this is their newer 20, June, 2026. So I suspect that's probably why they waited until now. They just wanted to give us the new agreement and then we renewed that. I did go through the new agreement with our older agreement, you know, just to see what had changed. And I did highlight one of the changes in the staff report, which is rather than going five years and automatically terminating, they now have a provision that says the first term will be five years and thereafter it's automatically going to renew for five-year terms unless either party moves to terminate, which we wouldn't want to do. We want to keep our facilities there. So anyway, I think that's a better, it's a rolling, we will, and so we don't have to continually renew, but it's fairly similar. They just, it appears to me that they changed most of their boiler plate provisions. So their indemnity provision, their noticing provisions, They updated the term, and then they added an entire paragraph at the end that has a waiver assignment venue, interpretation, all of the standard boilerplate that was not in the previous agreement. So all of these amendments are acceptable to me. They did mention that they were not really entertaining any amendments, but they are acceptable even given that direction. So staff is recommending that we renew this. We told them in good faith we would bring it to the next meeting, which is this one, so that we can get this one out of the way and off their plate. Okay, do we have any other questions from Lisa?

Now, once again, I want to thank Lisa. She's done an awesome job. And ask for a motion.

Make a motion to approve renewal of statewide utility license agreement with UDOT for the operation, construction, and maintenance of city utility lines and related facilities within the state right-of-way, subject to staff review and finalization of city contact information.

Second. Okay, we'll take a vote, starting with Councilman Plummer. Aye.

Aye.

Aye. Aye.

Aye.

That's a unanimous four vote. OK, now we'll move on to number four, personnel policy amendments. Is this Grant or Bryce? Bryce. Wake up. First was distracting.

We're stopping parks and recs, so there you go. Now they distracted pretty quick.

Yeah, so we present this to you as an amendment to the current reimbursement program that we have for employees. We have an employee review committee that meets and discusses city policies and just some ideas and concepts about making life better here in Centerville for employees. And this is something that we've talked about for the last couple years, so about increasing the reimbursement for employees currently we have. and bring my phone up on me, but just 13 employees right now that are using the reimbursement for this specific program. We're hoping that we could potentially pick up a few more employees. Even if we went up to seven more than we have right now, we still would be within budget of what we've currently budgeted for. So it wouldn't be an extra expense.

A little background. The history of this, when it was first implemented and introduced by council, was to tie that annual reimbursement to what the cost of South Davis offers for a single membership. So there has been multiple increases to South Davis annual membership fees, and it's listed here in your packet. South Davis is currently $3,248 per month for an individual. So again, we're getting closer, but we're We're not 100% there, but we're just trying to close that gap a little bit.

Is this, so it says 360 a year or 3248. Those two don't, they don't calculate together. It's either 389 or it's 30. What?

Well, you get a discount. You get a discount if you pay the whole year. Okay, so if you pay it for the whole year.

Okay. I didn't know if they were charging some fee. Oh, you use your debit card, you've got to pay a little fee or something.

Right, and so the proposal is to go to $300 per year, even though South Davis is currently the $360.

Have we already budgeted for $300 a year, so we're okay that way?

Like I said, we have 13 employees that are currently using it. If we were to add a Up to seven more. We'd still be within that.

You'd still be within that. Okay, so you planned for that. Perfect.

Okay.

I'd like to ask, don't most insurance policies offer wellness incentive policies with clubs like this? I mean, I know mine does. I'm older than all of you. But is that something that our employees need? Isn't there participation from health insurance?

Yeah, so it's a great question, Council Member Banger. I actually do, I do get a discounted rate through EOS. Instead of the $30 a month, I pay $25 a month. So there is a corporate paid discount through Intermountain Health that I get. Each one of these, so VASA is part of that. Not everybody's part. Orange Theory, I do believe, is part of that as well. So you do get discounts when you go through our health insurance, but it's just that. It's just a discount.

It's a discount, not a reimbursement.

Correct.

Oh, I'm glad they did that because it was nearly impossible to get reimbursed from some of the health insurances. Yeah.

So even the $5 to $10 you see in a discount is very helpful. But again, when we reimburse, so if I do get a discount or I pay the EEOs $10 a month, then I only get reimbursed up to $120.

You get reimbursed what you paid up to $300.

So I have to document and prove how much the cost was. I see.

We also have employees that aren't on the city's health insurance, and so this is a nice benefit for them because, like, my wife's health insurance doesn't have a fitness program, and so having this reimbursement is really helpful.

Is it for the employees only or their... Just the employees.

Just the employees only.

And then another question. We had a fine presentation at a meeting or two ago from South Davis Rec, and they identified how they're partnering with the city. We're the second largest contributing city to the Rec Center. Have they been approached? Is it reasonable to think maybe they give an incentive for a highly participatory city that our specific employees might get a little discount towards a wellness program like that?

They're not really operating at a profit.

I will share the conversations, at least when I started, were happening. There are some challenges. Again, it's the perception of employees getting a better deal than what's available to them. the everyday resident, right? So there's always that concern too. And any time an employee receives a benefit, it potentially could be a taxable benefit. So the employees pay tax on that fringe benefit. I don't know how it works with an outside entity and how that, but they have been approached and discussed and they're not interested in that. So we have not explored any further, at least in the last five years, we haven't talked about them. It doesn't answer your question. It just tells you some of the frustration. Yeah.

It identifies frustrations, but yeah.

Rick, the flip side of that, so as a board member of that entity, I have to think about how we make whole the taxpayer on that side of the equation. And so for me, I'm kind of a little bit torn with, I get what you're saying, but I'm a little bit torn with that because they aren't operating in a profit margin. And so you would be asking taxpayers from other cities to cover that. And I'm not sure that that's, I'm not sure I'm comfortable with that either. I guess.

So as an example, if we own the facility, this is what you see often with cities. Like let's say we own a golf course. Not that I want that ever. No golf course, no golf course, no pool, no skate park. Um, So I'm just kidding. So anyway, but if we own that, and you give that benefit to an employee, it is a fringe benefit, because it's a cost, a sunk cost. The city owns that, so we need an employee to use it. But you actually, the employee, let's say it's $50 to golf. You have to recognize that as a benefit of tax. So they've got to pay taxes on that $50. But we don't own South Davis Rec, and that is the dilemma.

Residents don't have the same access that we do and they're a separate entity at that I would feel I wouldn't want the taxpayer subsidizing employees getting a discount if it wasn't necessary Free money type of thing they still have to go in and get an annual physical which we want all employees to do just as part of their yearly checkup as part of their health insurance plan, but they have to have that Doctor's note doctor to get the reimbursement so I will point out though that

The taxpayers are subsidizing our employees to have this benefit. That's... Well, it's true.

I mean, that is true, but we're not getting a special benefit through a different organization. But this is a wellness benefit because we do care about the wellness of our employees.

Agreed. And I do, too. I do, too. I just would like to look at ways to reduce costs.

Okay. Do we have any more questions?

this theoretically could reduce costs by uh... well promoting health insurance right promoting health care and less people coming to work coming more to work you're going to get more productivity out of somebody who's exercising I see the benefits of exercise and people being healthy. And I think that this is a good way to incentivize our employees.

I agree there's a cost to it. I do appreciate the ability to show that we are, that the city is concerned about lifestyle and balance, and so I'm supportive of it. And I think it's nice to get it maybe just a little bit closer to what South Davis Rec Center would cost.

Do we have any idea, comparison cities, what they're doing with their employees on wellness programs?

I'm not sure. Yeah, we do have some comparables, but we're by far one of the lowest in reimbursements. Farmington is $1,000, but theirs is very broad. It includes hobbies and health and stuff, and so there's a lot more other things involved.

That's the hobbies we've talked about during the budget session, where if you want to buy Legos with that $1,000, you can go buy Legos if that's what is your hobby or stress reliever. So we're not arguing for that. We're not proposing that. Let's keep it at gym memberships.

Do we have any more questions?

Okay, can we get a motion? I'll make a motion that we approve resolution number 2026-21, increasing the employee wellness incentive from 200 to 300 a year up to a maximum of 20 employees participating. Is that... Maybe I don't want to say that. If we had more than 20, does that... We don't have right now, but I mean...

Your budget's for 20.

That's a first-come, first-served. Yeah, it's a first-come, first-served type of list. Okay, so I'd say just max it at 20 employees for now, and if you get more than that list, no. Yeah, I'll stop.

Okay, yes. Second.

Wait. I'M JUST TRYING TO KEEP THE BUDGET TO A SET AMOUNT.

IF WE HAVE MORE THAN 20, WE WOULD COME TO YOU FIRST. OKAY. THAT'S FINE.

JENNIFER, YOU'RE LOOKING STRESSED.

DO WE NEED TO DO SOMETHING DIFFERENT? I DON'T WANT TO STRESS YOU. I CAN ROLL THAT BACK. SORRY. GETTING A LITTLE EXCITED HERE, I GUESS.

Okay, we had a motion in a second Brian will go to you for your first vote aye aye aye aye For unanimous votes on that. Thank you Thank you We'll go to the summary action count calendar. We have the bond reduction for pastures phase 3 and public works vehicle purchases Do we need any? questions or Any comments on any of these or are we ready to pass them?

On the public works vehicle purchase, may I ask a couple of questions? Yes, you may. One of the items is a F-350 one-ton Ford truck. I'm just wondering who in the public works department is that for? What vehicle, what individual is having their vehicle replaced? The reason I'm asking. An F-350 is a heavy-duty pickup. It can carry heavy loads. It's made to have heavy loads or tow very heavy vehicles. An F-250 does almost the same thing, much less cost. And an F-150 works great for transporting smaller loads. And if this is mostly for one of our employees whose transportation around town, I wonder why we're paying the cost of an F-350. I've bought a lot of trucks.

So, yes, the F-350 that this will be driven by is our lead water operator. That will be Jay Switherby. The reason we've gone with the 350 is just a number of years ago when we went into this different way of doing our trucks, when we did this rotation program that a lot of you are familiar with, not only to enhance our resale ability, but it just simplified a lot of other expenses that we were having. So what we did is we went to a large enclosed trailer. And so this truck is able to adequately transport this large enclosed trailer that is singularly equipped with all the equipment that our water department would need in any kind of an emergency situation. Also, we do currently have our back trailer that we use, which is very heavy, and this would be a vehicle that would be utilized to transport that specific trailer.

Are most of the other employees, Dave, vehicles sufficient in size and load capacity to transport those trailers, or just a few of them? Just curious.

Just a couple of them. A lot of the others are in that what you call 250 range, 2,500, three-quarters ton range. A lot of them would be capable of taking the enclosed trailer, but not so much when we get into this vac trailer that we sometimes use on the different activities that they have.

Which oftentimes, when that need comes up on those occasions, the individual with the larger capacity truck could use his vehicle to tow that. I'm just looking. Dave, do you feel comfortable that for the individual this is going to, an F-350 is necessary?

I do. Also, one other comment you had, as far as the cost difference, if you were to look at the cost difference, where we do have the... STATE PRICING. THE COST DIFFERENCE, IF WE EVEN LOOK TO ONE THAT WE DID A YEAR OR TWO AGO, THE COST DIFFERENCE BETWEEN WHAT WOULD BE A 2500 OR A 250 AS OPPOSED TO THIS 350 IS NEGLIGIBLE WITHIN $1000 TO $2000 to get an upgrade to this heavier duty vehicle. And the resell value for this actually would end up being a lot higher. But we do typically stay in that three quarter ton as opposed to this larger one for the rest of the water employees.

Okay. And gas consumption is much higher in a 350, too. But I'm good. I wanted to understand that. The other thing, I notice we're purchasing those from Young Automotive. Does the city pay – how does that work with the state financing? Do we pay sales tax on those purchases?

No, we don't.

Okay, then that answers me. I was going to say, if it's through Young, we have a Young Power Sports. I wonder if their company could work the paperwork through that entity wherein Centerville would get benefit of the sales tax. But if we don't pay it, it's a moot point.

That's all I know. Regardless of where we've gone, we've shopped many other places throughout northern Utah when availability in that was also a challenge. But yeah, we don't pay sales tax on any of these vehicles.

Okay, thank you.

Okay, thank you. Have any other questions? If not, I'll ask for a motion on the summary action calendar.

I'll make a motion that we approve bond reduction number one, which is the final with no warranty required for pasture phase three in the amount of $2,500. And also that we approve the public works vehicle purchases, which are a Ford Super Duty F-350 in the amount of $50,610, and the Ford Transit in the amount of $50,978. I'll second that.

Go to a vote with Councilman Plummer.

Aye.

Aye. Aye.

Aye.

Thank you. That goes unanimous, all four. Now we're going to go to the minutes and I'm actually going to jump down and ask for a motion to pass July or if we have any changes on July 21st work session meetings and July 21st city council meetings. Let's do those two on their own together.

I have a suggestion for the July 21st council meeting. wherein we're addressing TFG, the Ferguson Group. And I would like to add, I think you will remember, on line 39, maybe just before it identifies Mr. Hansen, made some finishing remarks there, I'd like to insert, Councilman Bangor recognized and complimented TFG for substantial success in helping secure grants for the city. He encouraged Mr. Miller to please give high priority and focus on any future grants or opportunities to assist the city with economic development potential.

Okay, is that all right with everyone?

Is it possible, Council Member Banger, to email those comments to Jennifer? Sure. So she has it.

Councilman Bangerter, can you hear that? Can you email those changes to Jennifer?

I can. She can listen to the audio quicker than I can type it up. But yeah, I can do that.

Do you not have it typed up already?

Yeah, not typed up. I've got it written here. I'll take a picture of that. Can I do that and text it to you?

Whatever. That would be great.

Thank you.

If that's okay with you guys, then you can approve it. It's up to you.

Want me to read it again?

No, that's okay. I think we can.

I'll make a motion that we approve the July 21st work session and city council minutes with the recommended changes from Councilman Bangerter.

I'll second that. All in favor? Aye. Aye. Aye.

Aye.

Okay, now let's go back to the June 2nd closed session minutes. If we have anything major changes in this, because it's a closed session, we'll need to go into a closed session to talk about that.

So the red lines from council member Bangor and council member Haman are attached to your packet. They're marked confidential. So you would have had to view them in the board portal. If you've reviewed those and you're okay with all of the red lines, then you can just approve them here. If you feel like we need to debate or discuss it, then we would have to move into a closed session.

I have a procedural question. It's not regarding content of a closed meeting, but I have a procedural question I'd like to ask Lisa. Regarding corrections, additions, inclusions for closed meeting minutes, I was directed to make any such recommendations to staff including the city manager, attorney, and recorder, and another council member, and that was to preserve confidentiality and discussion outside of the meeting, obviously, totally support that. Another council member, according to what was related in a correspondence to all council members, was asked by the attorney, according to her, to send those suggestions to each council member and remind them it would be inappropriate to discuss any of that outside of a closed meeting session. There are two different procedures there, Lisa. I'm just wondering, I don't understand the procedural difference.

Yes, and thank you. I did receive an email council member Heyman over the weekend and was responding to her on Monday. And you're absolutely right. I did not give the same advice to her that we had agreed upon in the prior meeting. So I apologize and that's my, my mistake. Um, I did not necessarily want to get in the middle of the minutes debate. Um, but it would have been better to just suggest that she send those to the city recorder. So I apologize, and I think in the future that's a much better way to do it so that the entire council gets the closed meeting minute corrections in a private privilege package rather than an email. So that's on me, not Council Member Heyman.

Thank you.

Okay, thank you. So are we okay to go ahead and approve these minutes? Anybody got a problem with it now?

Just with the spelling of my name, and that's it.

Okay.

Oh, yeah.

Is that my bad?

I like how he's just nonchalant about it. Did I put a B in it? It happens with your name doesn't it? I had my name my whole life. That's not the first time. I will fix that. Sorry. I'll make a motion that we approve the minutes as outlined.

Second.

Okay, take a vote, Councilman Plummer.

Aye.

Aye.

Aye.

Reluctant, aye.

Thank you very much. On that, we'll move on to the financial report. It's a quarterly one, so I think Nate wants to come up and dance the scene for us.

All right, good evening, Council. So we've concluded our fiscal year 26. So we have some preliminary financial statements. And just to note, these are preliminary. Our audit will be going on this fall. So in preparation for that, we have many adjusting entries, invoices that are still coming in, accruals journal entries, et cetera. So there will be some adjustments to these. These are definitely not the final numbers. But for the most part, it gives us a big picture of where we ended the year. So to start looking at our cash position, I know we had kept an eye throughout the year on the parks fund because we had that debt payment to make. So we had put a pause on our projects. So I'm happy to report that we did sufficiently safe for that. And we're able to make our debt payment with no problems. And then the other item I wanted to note here was our Utopia fund that we received our annual rebate from Utopia in June. So that's why you see that big cash difference. And then I didn't make a note of it, but the other fund that we were keeping a close eye on was our recreation fund. And you can see they ended with 23,000. So if you remember back to our final budget amendment, I had requested a potential transfer between our general fund to our rec fund if our cash balance got low. But it's looking like we're not going to need that. So that's great. OK, if we want to go down a couple pages, we can look at our general fund revenues. First, let's see our sales tax. We ended at about $5.8 million. and had budgeted $5.5 million. So that was great to see for sales tax. And that's worth about $200,000 more than we received last year, which is great. Our total revenues in the general fund is the $13.6 million, which is an increase of about almost half a million from the prior year. So we came in almost right at what we had budgeted. for general fund revenues. Looking at our expenses, as it sits right now, we have about $12.8 million in expenses, which is 94% of what we had budgeted. So we did not, as of right now, we did not spend our allotted budget, which will help our potential transfer to the Capital Projects Fund. And as it sits right now, we have about $794,000 of net income in the general fund, Looking at our RDA fund, we did record that final increment payment that got recorded back into June for the legacy crossing. So you see that came out and our net income for the RDA is the almost $729,000. Okay, our recreation fund, you can see that our Charges for services is slightly higher than last year. You'll also notice our expenses are higher than last year. Actually, sorry, I had uploaded new financials today, but I forgot to notify Jennifer to update it. You'll see on the total expenses for the REC fund, I had put an error. It should have been almost $98,000. So we did have more expenses this year. So that brings our net income to basically breaking even for our REC programs. Looking at our RAP tax, our revenues are slightly higher.

Nate, I'm sorry. I'm looking at a real small screen. Can you tell me which pages you're on as you move along? Is that four?

We're on page 4 right now, yeah.

Yeah, page 4. Okay, thanks. PDF page 5, but page 4 at the bottom. Okay, so our RAP tax, remember this represents only sales that occur within Centerville, so we were slightly higher than last year at $581,000, and then we followed that same Disbursement that we've had five percent parks five percent to Whitaker and five percent to the Performing Arts Center looking at our Perpetual care fund notice that we have not made the transfer to the general fund To reimburse the general fund for the maintenance of the cemetery we Plan to transfer 80% of what we brought in so if our As part of our year-end process, we try to verify all of our revenue numbers are accurate and recorded correctly. So assuming that this number is correct, then our transfer will be that $13,840. And we'll make that as part of our year-end process. Okay, looking at our parks fund, as I mentioned before, we did make our final debt payment for Island View Park, so that is officially paid off. and free of the real property lease. So we do not have any more debt in the parks fund right now, which is awesome. As I mentioned before, our capital projects, we kind of put a pause on all those, put a freeze on it in order to make sure that we had enough funds to make that. But I'm pleased to report that we had sufficient. Moving on to page five. Our capital projects fund, right now we're at 76% of our total expenses. I haven't looked into this too much. We may be waiting on some invoices or this may be accurate. So we may have either underspent our budget or we could be waiting on a little bit, but we were definitely under budget. At our transportation fund, you can see our revenues were slightly higher than last year. And so we ended with a net income of 635,000. Um, and then going down to our water fund, you'll see that our operating revenue is exceeding our operating expenses. And then you'll also note that we have, we continue to receive funds for the Oak Ridge tank from our federal grant. Um, that number, we are still, waiting for some grant funds. So that number will increase, um, by the end of the reporting. Um, but as it sits right now, we've received that nearly a million dollars from that grant. Um, and we will almost max out the 1.5. I ran the calculation today will be probably a 1.4 just hair over that and the year with the remaining coming in the current fiscal year. Um, then going on to our sanitation fund, Our net income is that nearly $73,000. And then in drainage, similar to water, our operating revenue is exceeding our operating expenses. And we ended with a net income of $225,000. So overall, I think we're in a good financial spot to end the year with the majority of our funds performing very well with no significant area of concern right now. So anyway, that's all I have prepared for you tonight. Are there any questions I can answer?

Anybody have any questions for me?

I'd like to know what generates the net income being so far over in drainage utility fund.

So when we budget our revenues always equal our expenses, so that would mean we... In this case, we did not receive more revenue than we had budgeted, but we have underspent what we had budgeted.

Any other questions? I'd like to thank Nate. I just love the way you do this. It is so awesome. It's so easy to understand, and I really appreciate that.

Thank you very much. Appreciate it.

Okay, we'll move on to the council report, which is me, and I obviously am on the Utopia board, and I think you've already had your report on Utopia today. The Whitaker Museum, we didn't meet last month. They're still working on taking over the landmarks, but I think that's gonna work. as far as I know right now. And then on the 14th, so they had their hike on the 3rd, and I know somebody that went, but I haven't had any reports on that, so I can't report on that. And the 14th of August, we have open mic night with our vintage car show at 7 o'clock. And so I'd like to let people know about that.

What is the date on that one again?

14th. We'll go on to the mayor's report. I attended the fire board for the mayor, and the first fire board I attended, we had to vote to not have fireworks, which was a hard vote, but I think a correct vote, and I think we got through without any major fires in our city, and I'm so grateful for that. And then I attended a couple nights ago, and it was their truth in taxation, and they had one person that came and spoke, and other than that, it went past unanimously. And we'll turn it over to the city manager.

Thank you, Mayor Pro Tem, Councilor Armeca. Just have a few items. I just want to make you aware I attended the fifth fifth local option transportation sales tax discussion this morning. There's an invitation from the county commissioners to mayors and city managers. What's being proposed or allowed, and I don't know, Mike, how involved you are in this, but the state essentially is given a tool or resource available to counties to adopt a potential 0.2% increase in the sales tax, which would generate revenue for infrastructure projects, transportation projects. And the county has to decide whether or not they want to go forward with it, and there's some consternation with Davis County whether or not they want to do it. Weber County just adopted it, which actually started the timer that if Davis County wants to do it, we need to adopt it by October 1st. And so Davis County is a little hesitant. There are many cities who support this. Again, we haven't had this conversation with this council, so I have it on an agenda for the future, and I'll have a conversation with the mayor. I'm sure he's talked about it. Those funds would generate $238,000 a year for Centerville City to go apply towards infrastructure projects. More arguments, and Council Member Banger, you may be interested in this, is this would help fund some of the UTA transportation projects, double tracking, front runner stations, things like that. So the idea is this fund is available, and it's not just for transit, but it can be used for anything transportation related. IS THAT THERE'S SOME FLEXIBILITY TO IT TO HELP WITH OUR INFRASTRUCTURE. WE'RE A GROWING COUNTY AND THE STATE RECOGNIZES THAT. WE'RE GROWN PRETTY FAST AND WE'RE NO LONGER AS MUCH OF A BEDROOM COMMUNITY AS WE USED TO BE. WE'RE STILL A BEDROOM COMMUNITY BUT WE'RE STARTING TO SEE A LOT MORE COMMERCIAL. There might be some interest in having a potential letter if we support this idea going to the county commission saying we support this or we don't support this. And so we'll have it on a future agenda item to discuss, to see.

But we would just get that money. It's not something we have to apply to get through the county.

We'll automatically get it. Now they'll have some other funds that we could apply for if they have available funding, if we have projects that would qualify. Okay.

That sounds super positive.

What's that?

I say that sounds super positive.

So our sales tax is 7.25%. It has been, I don't know, for a long time. We'd go to 7.45%. So, again, still unmanageable. But we are a city that we are subsidized by. Our residents don't spend $5.8 million in sales tax in our city. We have outsiders coming in, so we could leverage that with those who shop at Walmart and Target. So, anyway. Okay. Home Depot.

Anyway, so we'll talk about that in more detail in the future, but I did attend that this morning.

And I do just want to give a quick update. I spoke about it earlier, but Bryce and I had the opportunity to attend IRMA Conference, Utah Risk Management Agency. It was amazing. There was some issues, and so Mike and Dave, we were gonna talk about confined spaces. They shared some stories about a gentleman who lost his life with confined spaces, and that one scared me a lot. There was a pipe going through this confined space. This gentleman who'd worked for the city for a long time went down there to inspect, BUT DIDN'T CHECK THE OXYGEN LEVEL SO IMMEDIATELY HE HAD PASSED. BECAUSE ULTIMATELY IN THESE CONFINED SPACES, PARTICULARLY WITH WATER AND MOISTURE, THE OXYGEN WAS GOING TO THE WALLS AND IT REDUCED THE OXYGEN LEVEL TO LIKE 14, 15%. YOU NEED 19.5% OXYGEN. SO IF ANYBODY WOULD HAVE GONE IN. SO ANYWAY, YOU HAVE TO DO ALL THIS TESTING. AND THERE'S SOME LAWS AND RULES THAT WE HAVE TO FOLLOW. SO WE HAVE TO HAVE A PROGRAM IN PLACE, WHICH WE DO, BUT I WANT TO MAKE SURE WE'RE FOLLOWING THE PROGRAM. That's scary. But if somebody would have gone in there to say, hey, what's going on down there? They would have also perished. So a lot of those stories, and you worry about it. In Ephraim, we owned our power, so we had a lot of vaults. So this was a big deal for us, our electrical vaults. We tested all the time for those types of things. So confined spaces was a big one. We talked a lot about automobile, distracted driving. We discussed immunity quite a bit, tort, but immunity was a big deal. And Chief will talk about a few things about immunity in the police department that I just want to touch base with you. But anyway, it was very helpful and a reminder to be vigilant in our risk management. So Bryce and I will continue to be fuddy-duddies and say, that's my word for the day, and say no skate park. Just kidding. No pools. But anyway. But it was a good crop. Did I miss anything, Bryce? Is there anything else I need to highlight? Barbecue pits. So the open barbecue pits and potentially just how we care for those. So there's some needs to evaluate some of our park amenities to make sure they're safe.

Perfect. Thank you.

That's all I have unless there's questions for me.

Is there any need for a closed session tonight?

Not tonight.

At some point, are we going to get an update on a closed meeting discussion surrounding property acquisition?

Yeah, great question. I have an update, but I don't necessarily want to share it here yet. It's not completed, is what the appraisal is not completed. That's the update I'll share. It should be completed in the next day or two. So before the end of the week.

Okay, any other questions? Not? Click for a motion to close our meeting. So moved.