City Council - Regular Meeting

Welcome everyone to the Centerville City Council meeting being held out here on May 5th, uh, 2026. I don't know about all you, but my favorite month of the year, but September is pretty nice, too. But you're going into winter then. So, great time. It's beautiful. Just excellent temperatures. So, it's we're kind of San Diegoish in May here. So, um, thanks for everybody for being here. Staff, those that are visiting, council members, thank you, uh, that those that help clean up from the work session, staff particularly, and doing the room change over so quick. Uh, we appreciate all that you do. Let's make sure that we can uh, conduct a meeting today by getting a roll call of our council members, starting with Councilman Mikum.

Mikum, present. Councilman Bangar, present. Hurst, present. Plumber, present. And uh for the five are here, council member Haymon uh texted me and asked to be excused and I don't know that she was if she was joining online or not, but I don't think so. So, thank you. We have a quorum. We can proceed. Uh let's do a legislative prayer of thought from Councilwoman Mikum. He's going to do a prayer. Thank you.

Our kind heavenly father, we're so grateful to meet here together as a council to represent our city. We're thankful for the moisture we've received. We're thankful for all of our employees that work so hard to make our lives better, to protect us, and help our services come keep coming. Heavenly Father, we ask you at this time to bless us as a council that we will make the decisions that are best for those that we govern, ones that will make their lives better. We ask you to please bless our first responders and all of those that are working hard to serve our community and provide us with the things we need. I say this prayer name Jesus Christ. Amen.

Amen. Thank you. That's if you'd all rise and repeat after me the pledge of allegiance. I pledge algiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands. One nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.

Thank you. Uh the next thing uh on our agenda is the uh the open session. This is uh a time for anyone that's present or uh joining uh by Zoom to uh uh come to to the podium and address what might be on their mind. We ask that you keep your comments to two to three minutes uh and you who you are and where you're from. Now, there is uh some public hearing matters on the agenda tonight. We have a public hearing on the 2027 tenative budget and we have a public hearing on an inter fund loan between the capital projects fund and the water fund. Uh and so we will be giving anyone that wants to comment those the chance to comment then as well too. So no need to really comment on those. Uh but if there's anything else it's open game. We just ask that you be respectful, keep your comments two to three minutes and realize that because this is not an agenda item, we cannot go into a lot of detail on it, but it's something we take under advisement. So that is now open, that open session.

Okay. My name is Kathy Helgerson and I'm from Cinderville. I used to serve on the planning commission on and off with Lisa and Gina and Shayen also. So anyway, I'm happy to be here. I am here out of concern. I I love the prayer that you were praying for moisture and all of that. I I am here to encourage the council to consider a further restrictions on fireworks within our city because we are such a narrow band. the foothills are there and and there are plenty of areas and spots of yards that have just dead grass there and and in this drought year it's it's particularly cur um concerning this is this just a few things from the newspaper Utah Utah is one of the driest in the nation this is the lowest on record and peak three weeks early um you all know all the reports We ha we have a lack of water. We have dryness and it's likely to get very dry. And there are so many public firework things that are professional that are are well protected by fire trucks and things like that. And I I encourage a further band than I mean like where I live. It's on Main Street and then it goes up the street. And for the last several years, this family's moved, but they used to blow off fireworks and and right behind them was a total dry area that would just come straight up to our house. It just made me cringe and I I hesitate to call the police on a neighbor, but it was very frightening to me. But now I just I just see a real concern with our conditions as they are that it would be nice to further further that away from

the foothills and also have good enforcement with with the police patrolling all over. I know they have plenty to do on nights like that, but I that's why I'm here is just to ask consideration to to push the restrictions lower and higher if needed. I I mean I think there's places all over the city that would be impacted should a fire break out. So, we've been grateful, but but um even insurance claims, you may be aware if you're watching your property taxes, not taxes, but insurance, my insurance with no claims has gone up from 5 years ago 90%. And my son, I tried to get him in a house. he moved here and he tried to get onto insurance and they said, "Well, we don't insure people in Farmington. We don't do any new insuring in Farmington and Centerville for fire." So, it it's a thing that other people are looking at besides us. But anyway, that's my request. Thank you.

Thanks, Kathy. So, uh just I can get can give you some information on that. Every year we have the fire chief or deputy come and present the fire map. Um I don't know if we have a date be here in two weeks.

Okay, perfect. Uh I talked with him but we didn't get a date but so they'll they'll be coming in two weeks to discuss that fire map. I know the proposal right now is is unless he's changed his mind since I talked to probably the map how it is, but that's something that we'll have a discussion and and he'll present. Um uh the biggest thing is people following that map however it turns out because uh uh there's so many fireworks being set off in those restricted areas is and what I feel like we can go out our backyard and watch 50 fireworks shows. We can and and so I mean I know you can't by state law

ban them in the city. You can't change that but you could further restrict the areas that they are allowed in. And that's that's my request as well as a great higher patrol. Thank you for your comment. Very timely. Let them come in two weeks. Appreciate it. Kathy others for the open session. All right. Seeing nothing further. Somebody got on on Zoom. Was there somebody that We have a couple people on Zoom, but they're not commenting. They're not on meeting. So,

all right. So, let's move on to uh our presentation. Um the our first presentation tonight is Bountiful Arts Center presentation. We'll let Serena introduce herself and what she does.

Hi, my name is Serena Ergot. I'm the executive director at the Bountiful Davis Art Center and thank you very much for the opportunity to be here. I would also like to thank you for your $3,000 contribution last year. Um, thank you. So, tonight, um, we serve residents across the count the c county, sorry, including here in Cinderville. And so, I'd like to show you what we've been working on and how your residents are already Oh, thank you. already um engaged with us. For us, the work comes down to access. We want to make sure that residents and our communities have the opportunity to create, have connections within their communities, and also to see artwork without cost being a barrier. And that's why all of our exhibitions are free and many of our programs are designed to be accessible and to anyone who wants to participate in the arts. One of the clearest examples of this impact is the Davis School District Arts Exhibition. Oops, I need to go a little further. This year, we had uh students from your city participate and to be recognized in the exhibition. For many of these students, it's their first opportunity to show their work in a professional gallery setting, which can be very formative and changing for their careers, and it's very uh helpful for them. In Centerville, we had 25 students apply and 14 students accepted into our galleries. Each year, the Art Center provides over 20 exhibitions across four gallery spaces, more than 80 recital and performances at an incredibly low price. Participation from over 300 students and educators, and we also offer hands-on experiences, and community events like our monthly free family art night and summer fest. But this is what it takes to provide these programs. The DSD student art exhibition costs about $9,500 every

year. A curated main gallery exhibition is about 16,000. A smaller exhibition for a solo artist in Utah is about 2005. And each family art night every month is about 750. And this has grown since 2025 because I'm happy to say that we've been getting more and more people coming into our free family art nights. And Summerfest is now a little bit more than $20,000. And these costs include staffing, supplies, installation, and maintaining our professional world-class gallery space among other things. So, what is your contribution support? When a city contributes a meaningful amount, the support helps us provide free public access to exhibitions year round, hands-on art experiences for families and individuals, opportunities for students to exhibit their work, and community events that bring people together. It ensures that your residents have a consistent and free access to visual arts here in Davis County, completing an arts ecosystem here in South Davis along with um performing arts, musical arts, and us being the visual arts. We would like to ask you to consider a $5,000 contribution this year to support access to these programs and for your residents. The Art Center has been a part of this community for over 50 years and we're working to build something sustainable and meaningful for the future. So, I appreciate your consideration and I'll take your questions.

Thanks, Sharina. Um, do you still do a lot of uh recitals and things there? Yes. So about 10 years ago, actually this year, we had a huge fundraiser to have the two Steinways pianos and the stage built in the art center when we started creating that space that was the old grocery store when it was retrofitted. And so we do provide uh very inexpensive recital rates and we have one tonight, two more this week. It feels like there's at least two a week. And BDAC, we do charge a small amount because we have to have piano tuning. We have to have it staffed, but it's not something that's an income maker for us.

So, it's a little step up from I mean, I've been to plenty of recital with my kids at the Centerville Library. Cute cute as Dickens, but but a little step up, you know, where you put the tux on, whatnot, the recital at uh at the battlefield Davis Arts Center. Classy. It's a fairly major step up. I was there last night with my youngest and um those pianos were donated by private funds but um and I had older children who played at like 2:00 in the morning and what they called a pianoathon and we donated money and so they were like we had to wake up in the middle of the night and they went and played and they kept playing the piano for I don't 24 hours is what they did and it was

that's my kids feel a lot of ownership to that particular recital hall because of that. But it's really fun for a child to get to play a Steinway and so I this is it's a big deal. There's not really another location that has a piano quite like that around here. You'd have to drive really far. So, and uh you know, I've had taken a chance to walk through and see some of the art exhibits. Um uh I imagine I imagine like a lot of galleries that some are on on loan and they're uh they they they change in and out, right?

Yes. So we have curated exhibitions in the gallery space and we do those three four times a year. Two of them are curated. One is a statewide annual for emerging artists and the other one is the DSD show that's happening right now actually. Um, and then during those while that main gallery is programmed, we have more consistent solo shows for artists in the upstairs two gallery spaces and our annex gallery. We've decided to have that for the community. So, anyone who is a, for example, a member of BDAC can come and bring their work and display their we have the plane art the plane air art festival coming up really soon. Actually, we'd love to have your community part of that. And so, that will not be a curated event. If somebody participates, they can bring their art and hang it up in a professional space. We also in our annex, I'm sorry, in our underground gallery, we do a lot of nonprofit partnerships for so nonprofits who don't have a gallery space, for example, turn community services. Um, they work with um disability in adults like mental disabilities and so they do art making as part of their cognitive function. And so we will provide space to them to have their show here and it's really exciting to see their faces light up. So we do a lot of community work as well as uh working toward museum accreditation with our upstairs uh professional presentations as solo working artists and our curated exhibitions too.

So what do we have in safe South Davis County uh is an art center like you guys besides uh Bountiful Davis Art Center. The only art center similar to us that I know of is Nema up in Ogden, which is the Norah Eckles Harris and Museum of Fine Art. That's the only one fairly equivalent to us. They they are museum accredited, which we are working on that too, but they are more more closely related to who we are

and and I appreciate that having visited art galleries in, you know, London, New York, DC and all that. I mean, uh, I I asked South Davis County, but you're telling me what you know of besides downtown Davis Art Center. So, yeah. So, it's it's it's great that what they have there and the service they provide. For sure. Other questions? Sorry, I'm doing a little

um I'm curious about I I think it's wonderful. Well, I think that these are great uh resources for our community, these the the the fine arts, the uh visual arts and um so how do you get word out for the BDAC? Do you have I'm sure you have social media. Do you use other ways to kind of get that information out to the public and and not just Bountiful, but Centerville and and uh do you feel like is is it really something that we you try to incorporate all of Davis County? I mean, obviously, uh, because the nearest one is Ogden, it really is, uh, Davis County's

art museum, but yet we don't have that designation yet. But, uh, can you

Yes. So, we rely a lot of on our members, the people who have already decided they are part of the arts and want to engage in the arts. We have a lot of newsletters that go out constantly. Um, our social media, we we are sure to reach all the way up to Ogden because oftent times during our opening receptions, we'll pull Ogdenites and then all the way down to Salt Lake City. A lot of our artists live and work in Salt Lake, too. And so, we make sure we have a nice large spread. And because we are working towards that regional recognition, not just the Utah recognition, but the broader western area of the United States, we also have our press releases that go out to a lot of organizations in the western area. And that would be like Southwest Contemporary Magazine and other arts magazines. In order to reach community people, that's honestly I could use some more help in that way if they're not already on social media. Bountiful City, for example, will put us in a newsletter or in a utility bill where we can talk about free family art nights or free Summerfest coming up. So, we could use a little bit more help with our community partners to get that word out so that we can serve even more people.

Thank you. So, I just quickly Instagram looked you up and I see that you are advertising it. Do you have a website or are you just doing everything?

We absolutely have a website. So, bdac.org, or it's actually our primary information driver. We have a lot of information about the artist call schedules, the events that are coming out. Family art night is the last Wednesday of every month. Um, Summerfest is coming up. That's online as well. Um, we have this the last couple of years we started posting the arts call schedule. So, if an artist living in Centerville or Farmington, Caseville, wherever um finds our website, they can see that they have opportunities to participate and so that they can anticipate when those are happening. So, I'm assuming you're hoping for a little bit of financial again.

Yes. So, last year you all provided $3,000, which was wonderful. I'm hoping we can extend that a little bit more and deepen your engagement and partnership with us. Have we budgeted anything? I'm I'm not sure I remember now. It's been too long. We have 3,000 in that line item. Um 100% of it was used last year for BDAC, so we put 3,000 in this year's budget as well. Can I just ask I'm new to the council. Did that comes from the wrap tax I assume? No, that came from the general fund. From the general fund. This doesn't qualify for something. Services does not qualify. Projects do. Okay.

Would a project like the plan air or summerfest? Uh I mean the way I mean we haven't necessarily used that funding for outside organizations in the past. If we keep it internally, I'm not saying we couldn't. I'm not quite sure. We kind of outlined how we use the RAV tax. Um, it would be a different discussion. Gotcha. And when you say outside organizations, you mean somebody outside of city boundaries? Okay. Yeah. Most cities have wrap taxes and they use it for projects within their city. But like Brandt says, it sounds like it could go out, but that's what most cities.

Yeah. Bountiful allows it to use for services. We did not outline that in our use of wrap tax to our residents that it would be used for services only capital improvement projects. That might explain NY Centerville or Centerpoint Theater can apply for Bountiful's wrap tags. Correct. But we cannot apply for yours. I see. Okay. Thank you. Wow. There's something new every day, huh? Me, too. Um I I do have to say if you get a chance to go over and see the DSD art display, it was phenomenal. I seeing high I'm assuming mostly high school kids, high school and then we have junior high and the underground gallery.

Seeing that in an actual art gallery was a completely different experience than seeing it um like I was just in the junior high last week and they had their little boards out and they look nice, but this was it was really cool to see the level of talent and in this in this space. It was beautiful. my and and my little guy spent quite a bit of time looking. So, it was very interesting to kids, too. It's lovely to see the audience change by each example or each um exhibition that we have. And there are a lot and lot of teens who are up and down Main Street and then stopping in and seeing the artwork. It's really cool. Yeah.

A lot of school tours as well during the DSD show. Would it be possible for us to see a comparison of neighboring cities or partners? What kind what amounts that some of them are helping you with? Yes, my papers are right over here. Actually, I can get that to you. Um, typically the cities are different in scale. You guys are um on the lower end. I would say most cities are at about the $5,000 level. No one has exceeded that yet, but I am going to ask. I would I would love to see us try to maybe go up a little bit, but I I was outvoted last year, so I'm not sure that I would be supported on that.

Are these these mainly South Davis cities or do you get other cities contributing to? So, this last year was the first time I have asked or that I have noticed that anyone has asked on behalf of over five years and so honestly, it's a lot within budget season. This year I will be besides all of our southern Davis cities um I'm also reaching out to Kisville. Okay. And the school district.

I am working with the school district. They did provide a small gift for the DSD show this year which was wonderful. It helped us provide those cash award prizes for the students for their scholarships and art supplies. Um we could always do better for them you know which I would love to do. I would love to have it fully funded and we are looking for grant opportunities because a lot of love supporting children and youth artists. Thank you. Great. Thank you so much. Okay. Thank you for your time. Uh what you're doing over there. I will follow up with your questions and an email that has numbers. Okay. We really appreciate the great work you do.

Thanks Raven. All right. Let's go to our business items. We have a fun fil packed uh night tonight about uh truth and taxation and budgets and everything else. Now, this first item, it's introduction to state truth and taxation amendments, House Bill 236 in 2026. So, uh Brandt and Lisa are going to talk about this, but this is ongoing. you know, it's filtering over from last year as well too when some of our neighboring cities, we didn't go to truth and taxation last year, but uh they they didn't even get the memo and uh they had to drop doing their truth and taxation stuff because uh dates have been changed on everything else. So, appreciate staff uh f uh filling us in on this, keeping up with happening, what happened in last year's session and this year's session. uh what we need to know in this. So, which one of you wants to go?

Well, I'll start real quick, Mr. Mayor. Um appreciate that, council. We So, the House Bill 236 is what came out of this last legislative session, but there were multitudes of bills challenging property taxes. And so, coming out this House Bill 236 is a huge win. At the same time, we actually aren't mad at this bill. This bill is actually very helpful, and it's something that could should be done anyway. And so, we're actually pretty excited about it. Now, the nuances of it and the mechanics of of of adhering to the state law are challenging. And so, we thought maybe it'd be a good opportunity to have this conversation with you to say, okay, you're going to see four agenda items following this conversation all pertaining to House Bill 236. And so, we thought, well, let's give you a heads up. Why do we have four? Why is it mapped out this way? So, we don't have an agenda item. You ask a question, another agenda item, ask a question. We'll just try to give you a summary right now. Lisa and Nate, particularly Lisa, has done a phenomenal job doing a deep dive research into this. We've attended the webinar. The PowerPoint slides are attached to this agenda. Um, we've learned a lot, but we also been scrambling for the last week, just trying to make sure we get this exactly right. So, I'm going to hand it off to Lisa to to share with you all the scrambling we've been doing.

Great. Yes. Thank you. um as mentioned. So there were um four bills in this last legislative session that passed regarding um truth and taxation. Um but the one that I want to highlight tonight is this HB236 because that really impacts um tonight's meeting and and our process. Um and essentially I think that the objectives of HB236, which is in your packet. Um, number one, the legislature says we want to bring um the public into the truth and taxation process sooner. Um, I think we always did. Centerville has always had a public hearing at today, the the first meeting in May when we present the tenative budget because of the language in the statute. Um, and then we also have another uh budget hearing in June. But anyway, bringing the the public in um a little earlier and providing the public more information um earlier in the process. And number two is to kind of alleviate the public sense or concern that since our fiscal year starts in July, July 1, but we don't actually adopt our budget until August or September, this appearance that we're already spending this tax increase when we haven't actually had our public hearing and and haven't heard the public input. So, it almost feels like a done deal to the public. um which for Centerville, no, you know, we're going to have that public hearing and and um take that that input. But um so I think they've put in a few guard rails here um to protect that and and to prevent that sense that we're spending money that we haven't um actually approved yet. So, the requirements of HB236, um, which it does complicate this process, but I do agree with Brandt that this is making it better and we're just

trying to get up to speed and making sure that we comply with the state law. And I do think what the mayor talked about happening to cities last year does create a sense of stress and a little bit of panic because we don't want to misstep. So, we've been going to all of the trainings. the league has stepped in, the state tax commission has stepped in, and so everybody's trying to provide this information. But um so for tonight, we are being very cautious. We're we're making everything a separate agenda item and we're adopting a resolution for everything to make sure that we're very clear with our compliance with the law. So what HB236 requires um since we're presenting a uh tenative budget tonight which will be presented by the budget officer and that tenative budget proposes uh a property tax increase. So the budget officer must provide a public statement when the tenative budget is first presented. So that's tonight. um a public statement stating on record that our tenative budget proposes a a property tax increase. Number two, we have to provide a separate agenda item on our agenda stating the budget officer's intent to make a statement. Now, the league is going to work with the legislature to see if we can eliminate this step because we can put it on the agenda just, you know, budget officer statement, but I think perhaps what they're trying to do is just at least make make it clear that it's a separate item because if if some cities put this budget officer statement in the public hearing for the budget, maybe it gets lost. So, anyway, we're doing both. Our agenda item number one is an agenda item that says the budget

officer intends to make a public statement tonight that we have a tenative budget that proposes a property tax increase. Agenda item two will be the budget officer's actual public statement that we have a tenative budget with a property tax increase. And we are adopting a resolution to that effect. And this is best practices from the league saying just because we also have to provide evidence to the tax commission of compliance with the law. So this resolution helps us as a city and staff show the tax commission. Yes, the mayor is signing an official document that a majority of the council adopted that we complied with these first two steps of HB236. Um the third requirement is that the budget officer also has to present to the council a tax impact schedule or a property tax impact schedule. And what this schedule does is basically and it also has to be a separate agenda item. But this what I'm calling it the tax impact schedule sort of outlines oh here's the property tax increase that we're talking about. So the approximate amount of the additional tax revenue, the percentage increase, um, and also the impact to each budget item and line item. And so the budget officer will be describing some of those and presenting the uh, tax impact schedule. So So there's a statement and then there's a schedule and then we also have a resolution for that. And I wanted that to be a separate resolution from the other item because it says in the statute that this property tax impact schedule has to be a separate item from all of your budget documents. So again, they don't want

this information hidden in one really long agenda item. So we're going to have the statement as a separate item and the tax schedule as a separate item. And then we finally go into the presentation of our actual tenative budget. So, what we're asking the council tonight, which is the the third resolution, 202611, is for the council after the budget officer has presented the tenative budget um to actually hold a public hearing on this because the statute says that the council shall review the tenative budget at a public hearing or a special hearing. So, we have always scheduled this as a public hearing. Um, but it's not the main public hearing on our budget. It's just so that we can tenatively adopt the tenative budget. So, that's what we're asking you to do. It's not saying that this is your budget. It's just saying that we are essentially accepting the tenative budget presented by the budget officer. Why we want this resolution again is and we haven't always done the resolution for the tenative budget but we are this year so that we can show the tax commission our evidence that the budget officer presented the tenative budget as the budget officer's budget that we held the public hearing and and the council tenatively adopted it. Um and then we also have to schedule our public hearing on this tenatively adopted tenative budget. And this is the main hearing with notice uh proper notice. And so we're proposing that will be scheduled for June 2nd. Um and that is in the resolution as well schedul scheduling our our public hearing. Now,

at June 2nd, we will really be talking about because HB236 now requires us to adopt if we're going for a property tax increase that won't be decided until August or September, we now have to adopt an interim budget. Centerville, historically, we've called this the operational budget, but now it has an official name. We will now be calling it the interim budget. So, we have tenative we're going to adopt tonight and then we're going to have a hearing in June and at some point before June 30th or so anyway at our the June 2nd meeting or thereafter adopt the interim budget with this proposed tax rate and the interim budget has to include your tax uh assessment schedule, your tax impact schedule. So we will be attaching that as well. And then item number seven the we have to take the amount that so the interim budget anticipates the the property tax increase but we have to put the funds from that proposed property tax increase. We have to take general funds and put it in a restricted account because it hasn't been approved yet. So if we adopt this budget without the tax increase, we have to show that we have enough funds in our general fund to support that and we are not allowed by law to spend or encumber those restricted funds until we adopt our final budget in August or September. As example for that, so what's included, you'll see in the schedule when I read that later, is there's a number of items we've listed. You've you've may have looked over that we are not allowed to to to chief's sugar in he's not very h since police officers listen in that we

can't necessarily go out for recruitment for a police officer until that's approved and certified tax rate. Now, the issue with the state legislature that they had issues with, let's say we allow chief to start recruiting right now, he has somebody in place. Then it puts pressure on you as the governing body to approve that property tax increase. And you almost feel like, well, it's already spent anyway, so we have no choice but to

but to approve this property tax increase. And that's really where this bill came from is that argument of that pressure that it's already been decided. And so all those items listed, we can't proceed with or encumber those funds or spend those funds until the certified tax rate. So our meeting will be in August, but the certified tax rate generally doesn't come until September. So those funds won't be spent until September or we won't make progress. So Bryce has to wait on uh YPI and not go forward with the OPI just yet. Those types of things will be delayed. Sorry.

Yeah. So, we will go through our agenda items and we're happy to answer any questions now or or during each one of those. But I do think it was helpful to say this is the whole process and this is why we're doing four agenda items for our budget that used to be one agenda item. But again, I think for the public, this is going to be helpful. They can see very clearly we're proposing a tenative budget with a property tax increase, a proposed property tax increase. We have a uh the tax impact schedule that they can re review and it's highlighted on our agenda and then we will present our u proposed tenative budget with a public hearing.

Thank you. Any questions before we move on those other items? Okay. So, with that said, uh hopefully you all read 27 pages of House Bill 236. It's your chance to give me a motion whether you accept House Bill 236. No, can't be renegades, I guess. So, we'll have to do the next four agenda items. All right, let's go to item number two. Uh this is um notice to the public that the budget officer intends to state in the public meeting that fisc year 2027 tenative budget includes pros property tax rate increase. And Brian and I went through this. First thing that I uh need to say is that this agenda item is to provide notice to the public that the budget officer of the city intends to state in the public meeting that the fiscal year 2027 tenative budget includes a proposed property tax rate increase. So I've said that twice now. So it's got double. Anything else I need to cover before I turn it over to our budget officer? Okay, Brandt, you're our budget officer, right?

Yes. Thanks, Mr. Mayor, City Council. So, in this agenda item, I am to state that Wait, are we still on agenda item two? No, we're on three now. Oh, I just I Okay, I warned I warned the mayor and I that Lisa will interrupt us. Joe was just saying he intends to say something. Okay, I supposed to is that he says something? Yes. Okay, that's what I thought. But I'm just making sure I'm following it. Okay, so now we're on three. Now he can say something. But now I have to say something in three. You should introduce three. That's right. The budget officer.

Okay. So three. Uh this agenda item number three. This agenda items provide the budget officer the opportunity to state in the public meeting that the fiscal year 2027 tenative budget includes a pro property tax rate increase. And here's the extra sentence. The budget officer statement is intended to include and satisfy the budget officer obligations under Utah code 59-2-9194AI. Uh thanks Mr. Mayor, city council. So in this item uh alls I need to state is that at a public meeting at the city council held on May 5th, 2026 that the FY2027 tenative budget includes a property tax rate increase. I will follow up by just stating in the background information on this agenda item, we go into much more detail regarding that information, but I'll I'm not going to share it in this instance because I will actually share it in the schedule on the next item. So, uh there's actually pretty good background there that helps understand some of the services being offered, the the rate increase. Um those items are in that background. So, I have stated that there is a property tax increase in this FY2027 budget. Mr. Mayor,

thank you. But item three does have the resolution that we would like. It does. It has resolution 2026-9. So do uh are you okay with me asking them if they have any questions on 202609? And uh if not the uh motion. So questions on resolution 2026-9. I'm going to reserve some questions until the next session, but I think it's important that we maybe clarify here that that increase is in the amount the proposed increase is in the amount of 15.5, right?

As the resolution state proposed, that's the proposed tax rate increase. I don't I didn't put We don't have that in this resolution, do we? But it's a but that is stated in the staff report and it is approximate a percentage increase the 15 2026-09 that is not in the resolution it's just in the staff report just in the staff report I apologize about it yeah the resolution is basically what we just talked about it's just stating that we are going to acknowledge the state law in regards to the agenda item that was just done by the budget officer.

Okay. Resolution. All right. So, I don't hear really any questions. So, I think uh I can make a motion to accept resolution number 202609. Uh with this one as is. Is there anything else that needs to be stated?

Yeah. And just to Council Member Bangader's point, um the statute is interesting in that it sets forth the budget officer's obligations in the first part and it says the budget officer shall make this statement and present the tax impact uh schedule. But then later in that same section, it starts talking about the taxing entity's obligation. And so we discussed the taxing entity's obligation which you'll see in the staff report. So the budget officer's obligations are in section 9/194 AI. Mhm.

But then in 9194BI is when you get into the tax entities obligations and that's where it talks about the entity intends to have a tax rate. And then that's where you have to state the amount and the purpose and the percentage. So we have elected to do that next meeting. Have the taxing entity make this statement. We wanted to keep it clear that tonight is the budget officer's obligation. Next week you'll see that 4B doesn't have to be adopted until May between May 1st and June 13th. So that's when we would like those items. I didn't want to speak on behalf of the entity. So the conversation was potentially I could speak on behalf of the budget officer and the entity,

but I wanted to keep those two separate because I'm recommending this budget to you as a budget officer, but you as a taxing entity can change or deviate or when it comes to adopting the interim budget, right? So I didn't want to speak on your behalf as the entity. So we're basically saying you as a government body is the entity and I stay the budget officer and not to blend those. And the purpose of this resolution 2609 is just to state that we met the budget officer's obligations under 4A. And all of this information just in terms of substance the budget officer will present in our next item because it practically mirrors the statement that the taxing entity has to make next week or ne in two weeks.

Okay. So we have a motion. Uh, do we have a second on that motion? I'll second that. So, we have motion to second. Okay. Further discussion. Council Mikum. I I I I.

So, 20269 is uh passes 4 to zero. Okay. Let's go to item number four. This is budget officer presentation of the property tax impact schedule. This is resolution 2026-10 that uh you have some stuff uh you have the resolution and some background in your material but Nate and Bran are going to handle this too that uh so what do you want to say on this one?

Yes, Mr. Mayor. So what you see on the screen actually this is the proposed property tax impact schedule. So ultimately what's in here is an estimated 15.55%. I'm going give some background before I start reading. The 15.5% is an approximation for various reasons, but one of them is we actually don't know what that increase will be until we understand what new growth is. So that's going to change. If new growth comes in, it may not be 15.5. It may only be 15. It just kind of depends on there are some numbers we don't have from the county and won't see from the county until mid late June that we won't know exactly what that rate will be. So again, keep in mind that 15.5% is an approximation and it could shift and change. Um, obviously in our budget, we saw an increase of more than 361,640 in our proposed budget. We're only asking for a property tax increase to cover that 361,000. The other areas that are covering that increase are an increase in sales tax revenue of $100,000 and using fund balance to balance this budget. So here we're only identifying certain areas within the budget that saw an increase to an impact to our schedule. We're not listing all items that saw an increase. Um that would be a very daunting exercise, but again, nonetheless, it would be somewhat interesting to do. So none, so here I'm just going to go through a proposed property tax impact schedule. Centerville City will consider an increase to its property tax rate from 0.00120 to 0.001386 001386 estimated to generate additional $361,640. The following information is is intended to provide decision makers and the public with an explanation of how the city's operations would be affected if the property tax rate remains the same. So, Centerville Centerville City's current property tax rate, the 0.0012000, 0012000 uh generates approx 2 thou two I'm sorry 2,330,249

a year. The proposed revenue with tax change would generate 2,691,889 which is a a change or a delta of $361,640 a year. The estimated increase to Centerville city's tax rate is 15.5%. The estimated increase to a resident's combined rate is 2%. An estimated increase to a primary residence of $582,000 is $59.61 a year. Estimated increase to a business valued at $582,000 $108.39 a year. So now go through each affected department and potential use of those funds. So the first item is the affected department is the police department. Uh there's two items there. In operations, it would be a an $180,000 change. And in the capital projects, would be a $70,000 change to total $250,000 in the police department supporting the police department. The impact of no tax increase. The police department would not be able to hire an additional officer, purchase a new patrol vehicle, or fund associated equipment and operational costs such as fuel, training, and maintenance. This may impact response capacity and overall service levels. The next item is the affected department is the fire department. the proposed budget and and the difference you can see there. The budget change would be $35,72. The impact is no tax increase. The city is required to pay the increased assessment to South Davis Metro Fire. Without a tax increase, other general fund departments would need to reduce their budgets to absorb this cost, potentially decreasing service levels nation or citywide. Alternatively, the city may rely on fund balance to cover the increase. The next one is the attorney department. The change in that department is $15,813. Impact, no tax increase. The attorney's office would be unable to utilize interns or outside legal consultants. This may reduce service capacity, increase the city's exposure to legal risk. The next one is the court

department. Uh the proposed budget, all that's there, the change is $12,000. Impact of no tax increase. The city would be unable to fully fund increased prosecution service costs due to rising rates. Alternatively, fund balance may be used to cover this increase. Next is the administration department. The change in that budget is $22,765 for this item. Uh the impact of no tax increase. The now when I mentioned the budget change is not the overall budget of the department. It's just particularly pertaining to this item. I should have clarified that earlier on. Yeah. Hopefully we got it.

Impact of no tax increase. The city would not be able to implement Yapify, a communication platform that enhances engagement with residents and businesses. Additionally, the city would be unable to fund an intern position, which may reduce operational capacity and service levels. Next is streets and within the public works department. The change is $15,860. Impact of no tax increase. Due to rising electricity and maintenance costs, the city may need to reduce street lighting by turning off lights or delaying repairs, which could impact public safety and service levels. Next is the trails committee. The budget change there is $1,500. The impact of no tax increase, the trails committee would be unable to fund trail signage and recommended maintenance, which may limit usability and long-term upkeep of the trail system. And lastly is the mayor and city council uh budget areas. The change is $8,000. Budget change is $8,000. Impact of no tax increase. The mayor and city council would be unable to attend recommended trainings which may limit their ability to stay informed on evolving state and federal laws and best practices. And mayor, that concludes my proposed property tax impact schedule.

And I didn't do my math, but do those budget changes add up to 361640? Does it Nate? There you go. Okay, good. Yes, it does. I like that how it's lined out like that.

Yeah. As we're going through the exercise, I mean, Nate, as we're going through the exercise, it was actually very helpful because we obviously were discussing all these different areas and changes that were occurring and it was actually a really good exercise. So again, how we settled on this were were various reasons, but these are the ones that make sense that if we did lose that we'd find a way, maybe some we can do without, but ultimately these are all recommended and um we think they're all justified and and well worth the property tax increase. So that's why we came up with this list.

So did you have to as I was reviewing it, uh I thought to myself, this is a little more detailed than what we had in our budget retreat. uh the because of this HP236 and possibly other bills, did it cause us to have to go in a little more detail to to get add up to that 361640? Well, there's there's one item that maybe not be the full amount. Um I think there might have had to be some I don't know, Nate, did you have to adjust any of the line items or is that No. So that's what we just came up to. Um and that doesn't mean we talked in realities before and we said the property tax increase would be

uh for the police officer the bulk of it is but correct but this gives a little more detail.

Yeah again it was a great exercise uh as we went through this uh ultimately next year I mean we're already planning next year what there'll definitely be a different presentation type approach uh just getting differing ideas of how what present means from the state law. So, this will be presented a little bit differently and of course we'll work with department heads because I didn't necessarily have time to consult with department heads saying by the way Bryce Yapifi is on here and you may have to hold off. Um didn't have time to necessarily communicate some of all with all department heads on some of these the impacts. All right, thank you. That gives us uh detail uh and even if we were weren't required to read it glad you read it uh Brand that was helpful. So, anything else before uh I ask for a motion?

All right. I have several questions. I'm sorry it's going to take You may go ahead.

Okay. First of all, I I want to acknowledge and appreciate all the hard work and effort that's gone into this. And I want to identify my support for this legislation which identifies better in my opinion the disclosures of truth and taxation and where the increase that we're going to ask for our residents of this city and businesses uh to pay for. And I I want to acknowledge that I'm I'm older. I'm the oldest one in the group here obviously. And I'm I will will readily acknowledge I'm probably uh recognized as being more prudent uh in the fact that I take very very seriously the dollars that we're collecting from our residents and businesses with respect to taxes. Okay. Uh I I have some questions that are going to lead to some some comments. Uh what's the cola increase identified at this year?

Uh 2.9%. 2.9. Uh are we going to also recommend an increase in some of our rates? Water. Uh yes. I I don't know. Again, I I don't know if this outside of of this item we're discussing, right? So, we're going to talk about the tenative budget in the next item, which I think that would be the better place to have those conversations about water. Again, this is just me presenting to you as the budget officer what's included in this tenative budget. What I'm trying to establish is a feel for for impact along with other items that our residences

and businesses are going to have to shoulder. Okay? So we don't know for sure but there may be a water increase as well. Uh is the fire department in addition Utah fet or southwest metro fire are they do we know mayor and brand you go to those meetings are they going to propose a tax increase as well as the increase they're imposing upon the assessments for the cities? They have gone to truth in taxation. Okay. Do we have any idea how much they're going to recommend to increase their uh hasn't been presented to the commissioners yet. I don't know the admin board.

We've discussed and made a recommendation. We've given the the board essentially two options to either do a property tax increase. I don't know the full I actually don't know the percentage. I know the amount they're trying to collect. Uh but I want to say it's potentially 20% property tax increase. 20% for one year. But they also have an option where they consider 75% to cover them for the next three years. But that's not our recommendations from the item in committee. Okay. Are there any other you can think of potential increases or or property tax implications? Any that you could help me with besides what we just talked about?

You know, you referring to just our budget. You're referring to budgets that might impact our residents. that might impact our residents. I don't know if South Davis Wreck is proposing one. I don't know if Mosquito Abatement is proposing one. Maybe Nate did do one last year, right? A small one. Yeah. Okay. I thought Shannon said they were going to do one this year, but maybe not. Okay. Uh sewer district. Um No, not I don't think I don't think so. We our meeting was cancelled last month. So I I'll have to get back to you on that. But

um no, not that I'm aware of. But but those rates will continue. Fees and property tax intermittently off and on will be increased to continue to cover the cost of the bonds for the new sewer plant. Yeah. So So upcoming capitals, I mean they're they're coming, but I think we've seen the worst of those increases.

Okay. Uh I can report from my committee that the uh Centerville Dual Creek irrigation water does not anticipate a price increase. Um okay. Uh and then I want to so so those are some numbers we can keep in the back of our mind here as we talk about some things. Also hopefully from my perspective, we're going to move forward with something to satisfy the needs of the majority of the citizens who voted for a bond to provide a cemetery, additional cemetery space in our city. Uh that could be a significant increase in our residents fees going forward if we initiate that bond and do that. There's some And then we had a a proposed county tax increase this year which started out at 30%. And after huge public clamor and and and ideas shared that was diminished to I think it's 16% 15.9 or something that the county settled on. So s significant increases. I realize and I appreciate and I will acknowledge that that there are necessities that inflation, cola increases, uh those those kinds of things are are necessary and from time to time expenses need to increase. Revenues need to be generated to meet needs. I get that and I support that. Uh now I don't understand uh on the property tax impact schedule that we're presented seeing it for the first time Friday night when the packet

came out. How how did those budget line items there are eight of them and I've gone through thoroughly and extensively our budget and there were 46 line items in our proposed budget that we've discussed in work sessions and council meetings. 46 line items that increase over 5%. Which is over the salary increases we've talked about. I I looked at things over 5%. 46 items. Uh eight of those were included. Well, and there there's only seven of those that are included here because one of one of the other items was a capital project for the police car. But how did staff come up with eight of 46? What was your determining factor there?

As I stated at the beginning, there are other factors that are funding this. We selected eight of the 46 items you've identified, but not everything's going to be a property tax increase related. We have sales tax revenue coming in. Also, we're using fund balance to balance budget, right? So, the property tax increase is just funding the items we've identified here. And these items again or items that we were considering that if a property tax didn't increase uh could we do without? The answer is sure we can do without. But some items you're going to have to use fund balance to fund because we can't get rid of the fire assessment. So if there's no property tax increase for the fire assessment, we're going to be using fund balance. There's so many rising costs that are 5% above for sure. How many are 5% below? That's the next challenge I have is I I feel that our departments do a really good job cutting costs where they need to as well. So, it's not just all increases across the board. There are many decreases to balance this budget as well. And our number one asset is our employees and I I fully believe that the process that we've used for the last seven years to fund our employees is working well and we've maintained and kept our loyal employees to where we are. So,

so the items that are listed here are just that items that if if council says, you know what, we can do without, then we would we'd find a way to do without, but also we come to you and saying, well, then we need to use fund balance for other items like the fire assessment, prosecution services, that's a cost we can't control. If we have so many jury trials, that cost is going going to go up and so we're going to have to use fund balance to cover that or our reserves to cover those increases. So we are not antic. These are items that it's like look we're going to have to fund and due to rising costs whether it's inflationary or rising rates we now need to start bearing those costs and passing those costs on to our residents to help us fund that because we don't have other revenue sources coming in to balance our budget. Grant, would it be safe to say that some of these also I'm looking at them and I'm saying I think these are costs that will tend to come year after year, which in my mind is one of the defensible reasons for a property tax increase versus trying to find it in the sales tax.

The only one that's not an ongoing expense is the capital project's police vehicle. But, as I've stated in the past, since we have a 5-year rotation, it is essentially an ongoing cost. Well, you were right. I was going to say we don't maybe have a car to trade in for that particular vehicle this year, but we are still on a rotation. We're on a rotation. You kind of you said, "Hey, we think we can live without rotating one of them this year, but if we hire the police officer, we still need the car." Correct. But because of HB236, we had to identify the 361640. You're telling me that we could have identified potentially some other

Oh, if you want to go up 800,000, I mean, we could have gone. No, that we could have replaced one of these with something else that was going up, but many things. So, so the area gets complicated. But, but because of what the law requires, you have to assign them to something. But we know what the major thing is, right?

And this simplified it. You're absolutely right, mayor. One of the issues I I could have read through this, but our rising Medicare costs or not Medicare, not our rising medical costs, right? That's going up. So, in this list, I could identified every department and listed the price or the cost that's going up. Now, we could have listed labor costs as the reason for it and gone through every department. So there is some level of simplifying this to identify things that make sense, but could easily in this budget as I've shared is is we're we're transferring I believe $1.2 million from fund 47 to balance this budget to help pay for those onetime expenses. That's the most we've we've transferred and that's the alarming rate. If you want to ask me, we we could easily go up to 30% to start setting us on a better but that's too much. Let's do 15.5% this year, re-evaluate next year. But as a city that's aging, and I'm going to get philosophical for a moment. We don't have an a rising sales tax base. We're pretty conservative, but now those costs are kind of catching up and our we're aging out. Our infrastructure is getting older and aging. We need to replace it. It's now getting to a point where you have to consider taxing rooftops to still provide a level of service that is expected by our residents that we need to support. And that's taxing rooftops. And again, that's and I'll say most residents will tax our rooftops to make sure our roads are taken care of and make sure we have uh police and fire we can rely on and parks plan. So or streets. Anyway, all that matters. But again, that's your decision. That's your policy decision to make sure what service level do we offer our residents. But I'm just telling you now, every year I'll be proposing a property tax increase to balance this budget to make sure we maintain a level of service. staff will still do an excellent job finding deals and getting grants to reduce and make sure we don't impact our residents as much. If we didn't get the grants we've received over the last 10 years, we'd probably have a 100% property tax increase.

We don't. Now, I appreciate all that. I think we understand that and that's that's good background that that I think I clearly understand. What I don't, and I'll be candid, is as we look at at the seven or eight items chose, uh, out of 46 to choose from, or something maybe slightly under that, the the purpose for this legislation is so the public can see where their money is going. And it looks to me, I mean, like I dis I disagree, C.

Okay. Let me let me finish, please, Brent. Okay. There there are some areas there that are appealing and make excellent argument. I we're totally supportive of the police necessity and some things there there the the fire we've talked a little bit about there there may be some things we maybe if this city decided not to pay the increase not to pay the increase not the assessment maybe it would rattle some feathers in the in the department. I'm you're saying no. Brian's saying yeah. I mean, I let me let me finish my point here. Maybe it would initiate more incentive from the Metro Fire District to raise their amount the amount they needed with assessments to cities capped. So, so that one bothers me a little. And then, you know, we pick uh $1,500 for the trails department. Well, yeah, that's most citizens are going to really want to do trails. That's not going to set for present an argument. uh mayor and city council, you've identified an $8,000 budget change there for training and education. Why did that come up? I mean, this the the this the specificity of maybe what the mayor wants to to do on a training or a travel to somewhere or maybe a council member or two. The fact of the matter is training and I've I've tabulated those numbers over the entirety of the city. We are and we had a good discussion on budget for training and education last time and I just point out that we last year we spent $102,000 plus on education and training in our city and this year we're spending we're the proposal is to spend $134. That's $32,000 more. And that's a 32% increase.

Brent, how is it that four 4,000 there was for you for administration to have more money for training going from 12 going from 4 to 12? And so why did the mayor Okay, cuz our mayor, but but does the public realize that that the other departments and people are getting a 30% increase and next year? We all know how that works. You know, we had M32 last year. We need 30% more next year. Th those kind of things are transpiring. I I don't I support training and education. I support a small increase, but I don't support 36%. Those aren't showing up. Some of the ones that we have an issue with, a challenge with don't see, it seems to be these easy ones to justify to the public. So, they're going to support a 15% increase. I don't think that's the purpose of the truth in taxation.

I disagree. And the whole point of this legislation is to identify the purpose for the property tax increase, not do a deep dive into every increase. The whole point of our budget discussions and our budget retreat is to have those conversations and and increases and you have the opportunity to decide whether or not you support the $16,000 for the police officer, the $8,000. You can decide that it's all transparent. Everything is there. Whether or not it's in this schedule, the conversations that we've had, the multitudes of conversations we've had regarding this budget clearly outlines where the increases are so the public can listen. Whether identified on the schedule is irrelevant. This is just a justified. not irrelevant or it is irrelevant according to legislation. I'm not done. It is not irrelevant according to this law. The law states to identify the reason and the affected departments regardless of how I choose the eight. This is my recommendation as the budget officer. I don't have to list every potential increase because if I'm going to do that, I'm going to be recommending an 80% property tax increase to cover all these costs. I'm not doing that. We are looking at certain things and we're have to use fund balance to balance this, but we are just looking at those effective. We are having conversations, council member Banger, about where those increases are. You as the policy maker to decide whether or not you support that and you can back off that. We we are rep we are republic democracy. You represent the people. We are not a true democracy where everybody gets a say. You are elected by the people and they trust you to make these decisions.

So I want to I want to interject here. Thank you for your your comments. The the what I want to interject with is that

I'm not with all respect to you, M Councilman Banger, other than the public having to bear burdens of tax increases and fee increases from other entities. I'm not sure why you brought that up. I mean, we have to run a city. What what the sewer board does, what the mosquito board does is is their thing. I mean, we we have to do a budget that runs our city. That's a whole different company. If you're looking in the private sector, I mean, I'm not going to set my rates for your uh what your your your roofing costs and you're not going to set rates for me for my CPA firm. I mean, yes, I'm glad you brought up be mindful of the other residents, but that has nothing to do with running our city. And the second thing I really take offense to as well is that it is not fair to make the statement that you are the most prudent person on this council. What you feel is prudent, another member feels another area is prudent. So that's not fair because you have four council members, five if Shaylin was here, who are prudent as well too. And to put on the public record that you're the most prudent, I take deep offense to that. And if this is a courtroom, I'd say it's not relevant because it's not relevant. Okay. Making those type of statements because they all care and are prudent as well too. And that run really bugs me. Okay.

And and what's on this schedule here? Yes, we can change it around, but we are not we're not voting on the property tax increase tonight. if if they don't want to prove approves approve this um this uh resolution and if they want to take some of the these things out fine but for four weeks or March middle of March so almost two months and and some cities are just presenting this around the state to their council tonight our our budget officer and our department heads have been on this since January. We had two nights of of of meetings. We've had follow-up meetings. We are now into May other things to get to get done. And uh we're still debating back and forth little little things. Now I gave you in work sessions. I finally had to make some decisions of moving ahead because silence to me is an answer. So, uh, unless you're going to have council members, I and I hope some of you others step up and say, "Yes, let's drop a couple things off this and take it from 15.5 to 13.5. We need to move forward and do and get something done." Okay. And so I I appreciate what you're saying and being prudent. Uh because we're all prudent, but you're you're handpicking areas that you think are prudent and maybe the council does as well too, but they need to give impact and make that determination. That's we we're we're as Brad said, we're we're we're a body that representative of five people get to vote here. So you presented your stuff. Is there more to present or can the c other council members uh weigh in on what what's been brought up because we're going we're spend an awful lot of time with you and Brad debating.

I will accept your your criticism of my statement that about prudence. Okay. I accept that and I apologize to to have said that. I do believe that other council members and yourself are and the staff is prudent, but I believe that that the overall sentiment here and the feeling is they're they're and the reason I brought up the other increase is I am conscientious of the res residents of our city who I'm elected to represent and I promised in campaigning that I would try to be as careful as I could with their tax dollars and I don't believe personally I'm one opinion of five that we have tightened the belt enough and so I'm I've tried to point out some areas where we could with respect to the time we've spent on this multiple times mayor with all due respect in the in the course of those conversations we've come to after we allow some things to go on for 45 minutes or an hour in our meeting we get to some of these specific and I've been cut off to be able to present some of the specific numbers and items that we were interest I was interested in talking about. And so now we're here maybe a little illprepared. Robins brought out the point maybe we should have started our budget discussion sooner or worked something out or allowed enough time and been willing on occasion to maybe stay till 10 or 11 o'clock at night and and do some things to get the work done that we're here to represent the people for. So, with that said, I'll just I'll just wrap up.

It's not a badge of honor stay till 11 10 or 11 o'clock at night. Some cities don't have two nights of uh of budget sessions. That's what I was just trying to point out to you. I mean, we spend four or five hours on those evenings that some cities don't even do that. I'm not saying that we don't can't alloc allocate time to things, but I haven't heard uh other council members in all the time we've spent uh saying that that yes, let's vote and eliminate those things. Uh they can still I mean, we're not approving the budget till August. I mean, if they want to eliminate some of them now, great. Let them eliminate. You've made your point. Unless there's more you want to make other otherwise they you can eliminate them by not approving a property tax increase or reduce property tax increase.

Mayor

um I I think it would be helpful. I I agree. I don't think we need to stay here until 10 or 11 just to talk to hear ourselves talk. If you have something you specifically want to replace, I would love it if you would bring it. Just talking about it doesn't solve the problem. So come and solve the problem with a suggestion of what to replace it with. I would love to hear that. But besides that, I do for me personally, I'm okay with what staff has selected for those items. And I have to say that the tenative budget is perfectly printed out. Every single line item, everybody can look at exactly what you're looking at. They can find the 46 items just like we can. I'm not opposed to what you're saying. If you want to change something, fine. But bring me something like don't just talk about it.

They they were here, Gina, during those meetings. And I But where are they tonight? Hand tell me what you want to replace. Say instead of capital projects police, I want this in there instead. I That's where I think it would be helpful to get just so we can get to solving the problem.

And and Mr. Mayor and Council, just to clarify, that's your opportunity at the next meeting when you adopt the interim, you can change. And again, I'm proposing the budget officer. These are my recommendations. Now, when you have the opportunity to review it and you have something you want something different listed on the interim budget, you have that opportunity next month to make those changes. But again, this is what I'm presenting to you. That's what we're approving. Not necessarily this is where you tell me as the budget officer what you're changing for what I'm recommending to you. This is what I've prepared. Okay. So, that's my question. And it's probably uneducated and I should be smarter on it, but I we haven't done it this we haven't done this before. So, I'm I'm panicking as I'm reading this and studying this.

So, you listed those things on there, but So, what if I decide I'm not going to give the $8,000 to the council? Does that have to lower my property tax increase or can I put something else in there? You can go up to 30%. Like, if you want to start listing everything, you can put it all in. I don't want to I don't I right where you're giving us this paper. Yeah. Yeah. Is there still a point where this paper can be changed and instead of having the city council and the mayor, we can put something else there? Cuz if I decide not to do that with the 8,000, but then I might move that 8,000 to here. So, I still need the same property tax.

Corre you don't have to have the same. Again, that can decrease. So, let's say you pull the 8,000, but I'm saying what if I don't want it to decrease, then you can replace it with something else that you feel like the city can do without if it's not approved uh by yourself in the future. So, I mean, what maybe we need to go to Lisa for more technical questions. If I'm understanding this correctly, like let's just bring up this example. I know Rick brought up um and I I don't you can correct me if I'm wrong, but you talked about the garage doors. So, if you would rather see the garage doors in here, I think that you're saying we bring that up at the next meeting. I would rather see the garage doors listed on this impact statement.

Right. So, this was an interesting read. You know, going over and over these statutes and and initially when I drafted this resolution, I said, "We're going to adopt this tax impact schedule tonight." And Brandt pointed out, "Well, wait. I I think we really need to separate out the budget officer's obligations which is tonight knowing that there may be some further discussion by the council and so these documents tonight really are providing that separation where the budget officer is obligated to present the budget officer's tenative budget to you and to present this tax impact schedule. But our full intent is and I think it's even in one of these resolutions that as I mentioned the council is obligated to not necessarily adopt but attach it that the the interim budget that you adopt in June must include the tax impact schedule. And so the way I read that is that yes, you have every authority just as you do with the tenative budget to continue to make changes on this before you adopt it as interim budget and before you adopt or include this tax impact schedule. Now I do think this is staff's recommendation for good reason as we have discussed tonight. like these are some things that yes, if we if the council does not approve this, you know, these are items that make sense, but I do think that the council still has the opportunity to discuss at a, you know, at the next meeting your changes, which would be in the interim budget and your changes to this public tax impact statement. for example, uh, Councilman Banger, uh, I don't agree with necessarily everything in the budget and I I could say, let's if we look at the lowhanging fruit and we eliminate the

training for the mayor and city council tonight because number one, I don't know if anybody else is going to go. Number two, uh, that that was for this fall. I may have a bud business commitment now, but still I would say yeah, we can eliminate it, but I don't know that it changes uh what we're doing tonight. Maybe maybe it does. Uh you guys you tell me Brent and Lisa, but but those are those are things that I think and what we've discussed over the last month that the there's still probably not clarity on uh because we would run out of time in our work sessions. But

well, if I understand this, this is just Brandt's opinion as the budget officer. This is Brandt's opinion. This is what I think is best. But in two weeks, we can have Robin's opinion and I can say this is what I think is best. And then the council can say I agree with this on Brat and this on Robin and this on Brat and this on Robin and we can create our own. So this all Brand is doing is giving his opinion tonight and then we can give our opinions in a couple of weeks. Is that a simplified way of saying what's happening in one? So we don't have to discuss or or agree or disagree with this.

Correct. And actually tonight is and this resolution is just saying the budget officer has complied with the law, his obligations of the law to present this and then yes at the next meeting. So this is a good thing to help us because now if Rick or I or anyone else disagrees with Brandt's things, he's not blindsiding us in two weeks. I've got two weeks to think about it and think, okay, there's $8,000. Is that where I want it or am I going to put it somewhere else? So really I know where Brandt's mind is now. you know, I can correct it as I always

and I like it that and if I may, I just want to inter say my piece here because I think that overall I'm very happy with the legislation and how this has been laid out by our budget officer in that it it's complying with the law and this law is actually helping transparency and helping our residents understand what is being proposed and really what we're proposing is not I think Sometimes focusing on the tax rate is a misnomer. If I think that we're really looking at the the dollar amount, correct?

And that is uh where we have the the ability to say, okay, we're really needing $361,640. That's your proposal. And then we can go through and say, "Okay, this is where he's identified that money to come from." And we can then, as we've all discussed, make some changes if needs be or accept it as is. And you know, I'm actually thinking back to our county meeting that did propose the 30% and how beneficial something like this would have been at that meeting to help people understand better what was being proposed. and perhaps proposing an amount that is higher and allows for people to see all of the changes. And then for council to be able to uh whittle away maybe or accept those proposed budget changes would be a benefit for not just council but for the residents to see where all the money is going. Uh, I still am going to go back to the Ferguson group and would love to see uh would the would the residents support an ongoing uh payment to the Ferguson group if it meant higher taxes? And that's something that, you know, I would feel like getting some more input from the residents on things like that

would be helpful. So having a larger or a proposed uh tax impact schedule might be helpful to uh the council in the future in that we would be able to uh identify those areas that we're spending those ongoing uh payments to uh certain things. I I think that it makes sense to uh support our personnel because they are our greatest asset. I think it's important to support our uh infrastructure uh and u that is our next most important and our safety. So and then some of these other items are a little bit more discretionary. So for me, I appreciate this. I appreciate what it is and I u Councilman Bangoder, I I I think that I totally hear what you're saying and I absolutely feel that we should go through this and look at some of those other areas. Um, but really this is meant to be uh something that is um adhering to a new law and I think it's it's actually going to be more helpful than not to have this going forward and uh so for me I'm I'm ready to accept it as is and then we can have further discussion about that and how we may want to see it changed in the future.

Now, I have one concern uh and I don't want to move ahead in the agenda, but I am. Okay. I never want any of you council members that are voting on something to feel you have to vote for it. That is why in the next item uh you'll it identifies all the time we discuss the budget. I mean, you have multiple chances with the tenative budget, inter budget, and final budget. And I know if I was a council member, and I don't know that uh staff's going to like me saying this, but if I don't like the tenative budget, yeah, I may not vote for it. We got to get somewhere. We got to approve a tenative budget tonight. So, so I'm hoping that uh what was put together, even if you don't agree with every line item on it, that uh we can p pass a tenative budget potentially because uh that's a concern because I don't want you to feel like, hey, you have to vote for something and get uh and then not have to the chance to change it later. So, I mean,

we have the opportunity to change the tenative budget though.

That's correct. that. So for us, passing the tentative budget is an opportunity to put the that tenative budget out there to the public to get some feedback. We receive feedback as council members. We're able then to come back and maybe have more discussion on that tentative budget. It's not uh set in stone. Although I have been discouraged in the past, it does often get passed as is, although we have had minor changes to that tenative budget in the past. So, I won't deny that. But, uh, that being said, I I think that, um, this is this is a good, uh, new proposed property tax schedule. So for me, I would be willing to make a motion to accept resolution number 2026-10 and

second. Got a motion and a second. Okay. Uh council Mikum I. Nay I I that passes 3 to one. Okay. Let's go now to the tenative budget.

Okay. Resolution 2026-11 on this tentative budget. Looks like Nate's coming up here. Obviously, we had our budget retreat. I'm just going to point out on March 18th and 19th, we had work sessions on the April 7th and April 21st. Uh there were some changes made to the budget. We tried to give Nate some uh things to put in this tentative budget to us. Uh and um uh like I said, there was some some adjustments made, but but there obviously could potentially be more in the future. So, talk to us about what we came up with on those four meetings and other discussions for our tenative budget. Uh Nate,

yeah, thank you, mayor. Um this one is a public hearing item, I should mention.

Yes, it will be. Um, if it's all right with you, I just have a brief relatively brief presentation on the budget because this is the first time that we're formally uh showing it to the public, although we have had public meetings for them to attend. Um, so I just have a brief presentation and then after my presentation on the budget, I have a little bit of an educational piece on truth and taxation uh because that can be very confusing for people who don't uh regularly deal with it. Um so I'll just start off that uh this proposed budget uh for our next year uh reflects a balanced budget and it shows significant progress towards funding key services provided by the city including public safety, parks, transportation, culinary, water, sanitation, drainage and additionally the recruiting, retention and training of productive employees is a priority to maintain the knowledgeable and qualified staff to maintain the high level of service expected by Centerville's residents and businesses. And then finally, this budget provides the necessary funding to maintain and replace the city's critical infrastructure as well as its aging uh fleet and equipment. Um so, as I mentioned, this the adoption of this tenative budget makes the budget public and initiates a period of comment, a public comment. Um once it's adopted, it'll be available for review on our website as well as a physical copy here at city hall uh that you can see during business hours. And I know this has been said a few times tonight, but just remember that although you may not ultimately agree with all the details of this budget, uh you can amend it before adopting the final or interim budget in June. Um and additionally, there's a few items that staff is working to finalize. So staff may recommend a few changes during this time as we finalize numbers. All right. Um the mayor kind of touched

on this timeline. Um but I just want to give uh thanks to the staff here who started working on this back in January. They put a lot of time and effort into this. Um just wanted to note to the public if they want to go back and listen. We did have public meetings at the budget retreat in March. uh there were two nights and then uh the work sessions in April and then they still have more time to uh comment after they review in June. We'll have a few different public hearings as you can see on this list here. Um and then should you agree with the uh truth and taxation process then we will hold that in August. All right. So just a few highlights of this budget that you'll see uh throughout the funds. Uh the first is employee compensation. We have recommended in this budget a 2.9% COLA to all employees and then additionally a 2% merit for each department to be allocated uh based on each employees uh merit. Uh the property tax insurance is at an estimated 5% right now. I haven't got a final number on that. Uh so once we do that may be adjusted. And then since the last time we met I did get our final numbers for our medical and dental insurance. So, we had estimated 10% increase, but the actual numbers came in at 7.9% increase for medical and a 1.6 to dental. And then since the last time we met, uh, I also got our new retirement numbers. So, those percentages for your public employees and public safety are the new numbers for this next year, uh, which is a decrease in both of those from the current year. All right, start off looking at general fund revenues. Um, of the general fund revenue, which is about 13.9 million. Property tax makes up about 19% of it and sales tax makes up about 40%. Um, so our property tax, as we've

mentioned previously, does include uh the recommendation for a property tax increase uh and the total dollar amount we would get from that is about 2.7 million. Uh sales tax we increased from uh this last year to 5.6 million based on estimated actuals. Um since we last talked or met about the budget, uh we received our beer tax for the current year. It was at 22,700 uh which is a decrease uh from what we had. So we were hoping to get 26,600 but we only got 227. So, I've lowered both the revenue and the uh beer tax uh division uh the expense side of that as well. Uh and then we've talked about this, but we've increased our estimated court revenue uh from this prior year. Okay, here's a pie chart showing the general fund expenditures and where you're the money's being spent. Uh so you'll notice that a combined about 41% goes to our public safety and then an additional combined about 26% goes to our public works and parks. Um I'm only going to hit just a few highlights here uh or maybe things that have changed because we've talked at length about these expenditures in previous meetings. Um so I'd encourage people to go back and listen to those or they could call me if they have questions about individual expenditures. I'm happy to go over that with them. Um but the first is our fire assessment. This did increase since the last time we met uh just by a little bit. Um but it's about it reflects about a 2.9% increase uh from this last year. And we've talked about this as well, but our police uh are requesting a new officer. Uh we believe that this would give them the additional staffing needed, especially during time of turnover. Uh and would be a big benefit

to the department and as well as the residents. Um and then as far as um personnel goes, we also have in this budget uh budget for additional uh funds for interns in the administration and attorney departments. Okay. And then including our general fund, uh we do have these transfers to our other funds, to our capital project fund, our wreck fund, the RDA, uh which is the sales tax incentive payment, and then to drainage, and to our transportation funds. All right. So, moving out of the general fund and into some of our other funds, uh the key part of our recreation is that we've increased our ski school capacity uh to be able to allow uh more participation there. Um, and then as I noted before, we are transferring essentially subsidizing 21,000 from the general fund uh to help that wreck program. In our wrap tax fund, we're estimating to receive 550,000 in revenue from our wrap tax. Um, and in this budget, we maintain our uh distribution that we've historically followed with 85% going to parks, 5% to the Whitaker Museum, and 5% to the uh performing arts theater. And then we keep the 5% in the fund to be used for future projects. in our parks fund. Some of the uh key projects here are the uh community park infield fence for the baseball field. Uh we're replacing the path at Freedom Hills Park. Uh we'd like to add additional restrooms to community park. And then we have funds for the wetland mitigation uh also there community park. And we'd like to add bike lanes on 1250 west.

out of our uh capital projects as we mentioned the vehicle and equipment replacement is an important part of providing these services. Um you can look at the budget for the list of um all the equipment and projects that we're using these funds for. Um, but we do believe that uh this does provide the necessary replacements to maintain a healthy fleet and provides critical repairs to our buildings and our EOC. Um, you'll see that we uh in this fund you're getting a transfer from the general fund of nearly 163,000. Um, the total expenditure to be used on projects is about 1.9 million. And then you'll see uh that we did add the uh the water fund loan 2.4 million. I know we've talked about that in our work session and we'll talk about it later in this meeting. So that may be adjusted um based on that approval and the timing of it. You know, if we choose to do it this fiscal year, it obviously wouldn't be in in this next year's budget. Um, but since it hasn't been approved yet, it is still in this budget like we've talked about in our budget retreat. Um, and then the only other change that we made to this since our last meeting is the garage doors that we talked about, they were at we had the request for 20,000, but on our conversation last meeting, we reduced it to 10,000. All right. And our transportation fund, a major source of funding this year is from grants. Uh so we've received grants uh $3.9 million worth for the 400 East rebuild project and then the Porter Lane widening project. And then additionally uh we have funds for the uh Aryan Way rebuild project uh to get that started. And then you'll also see that we have

about 300,000 uh for maintenance in our crack seal and our slurry projects. And then this budget includes 125,000 for sidewalk repair. In our water fund, uh we do have that loan that's being proposed from the capital projects fund for 2.4 million. Um in order to cover this cost, it would equate to about a 7% rate increase. Um but the caveat to that is we are still going through that uh rate study with Waterworth. So the actual rate increase be adjusted based on their recommendations. Um, but that's what's in the budget right now. Uh, the key projects in our water fund are to replace the Main Street water line, uh, to acquire land for the new well and then replace the 550 South Culdeac water line.

If we do borrow less than the 2.4 million as discussed, then the rate obviously wouldn't need to go as high, which we we would recommend just like a bond. Sorry, I'm going to deviate just for a moment. You know, when you bond for something, you bond for the upper limit. You may borrow less than that amount. It's kind of what we did here. You can borrow up to 2.4 million, the authority, but hopefully they only borrow 1.8 or two. Tony, we can talk about that more. Yeah. In the next item.

All right. In our sanitation fund, uh, we were hit with a couple of rate increases um by our vendors. So, Ace Disposal, uh, increased their rates 5%. Um and you can see the affected accounts there for your green waste, your garbage collection and recycling collection. And then Wasatch Integrated increased their tipping fees 14% which turn out to be a dollar per garbage can. Um so we have included in this budget a recommended rate increase of $1 per garbage can um to cover that Wasatch integrated uh fee. But then we would like to use fund balance to absorb the increases from uh ACE disposal and we think that'll work this year and then we'll continue to to evaluate that for future years. Um and then the other key thing out of the sanitation fund is our glass recycling program that continues to uh be a popular option. Uh so we have $5,500 allocated for the glass recycling. Okay. Okay. And then in the drainage fund, uh you know, we've talked about this before, but this is just the uh the major increase was the system maintenance and repair. Uh they found some spots that they need to do some repairs on. So that's increased to 75,000. And then the for our capital equipment and projects, we have a roll-off dumpster that they like to purchase. And then the biggest one is the Aryan way sub drain replacement. All right. So, that's uh my presentation on the budget. Now, I'd like to go back to our um property taxes. Uh and as we discussed this in the previous items, we're trying to maintain and provide essential services uh to our city. And so, this does include a property tax increase of an estimated 15%. Uh we as

was mentioned previously, we don't get our uh final tax numbers from the county auditor until June 8th is their deadline. So right now all of our numbers are estimated uh once we get that uh we'll be able to finalize it. Um this is our property tax impact uh that we just went over previously. Okay. So this pie chart represents uh when you look at your total property tax bill, this is what comprises of all your of your entire bill. Um so when we talk about a 15% increase, it's important to note that we're not talking about your entire bill. We're only talking about Centerville's portion of it. Uh so it's not a 15% increase on top of your $3,000 bill. It's a 15% increase on top of your 300 or whatever it might be. Three $400

360. Yeah, thank you. Couldn't remember.

All right. So, question we commonly get, how do property taxes work in Utah? So, property taxes in Utah are revenue based. Uh, so they're based on the actual amount of dollars collected the prior year. Uh, state law limits the city to receiving the same dollar amount in property tax as it received the prior year unless a couple things happen. One is the city experiences new growth. So, we'll get the same dollar amount unless there's new growth. Then we get the additional tax revenue from that new growth. The only other way we can get additional tax revenue is if we go through the truth and taxation process. So to calculate your property tax bill, you simply take the taxable value of your property and multiply it by the tax rate. And this gives you the amount of property taxes that you owe. So the tax rate is the same for all properties, but the taxable value can fluctuate based on the type of property you own. Okay. So each year Davis County performs an assessment and assigns a value to each property. This value is called it's called the market value. So in Centerville the in uh 2025 the average home's market value was 582,000. Okay. The taxable value is the value at which your property is taxed. So for some properties the taxable value is the same as the market value. However, if your property is a primary residence, then you get a 45% discount. So you take your market value and subtract 45% to get your taxable value. So those are going to be your only two taxable values based on what kind of property you own. Okay? Then you have your certified tax

rate. Uh and that's just the rate that your property is taxed. So for 2025, Centerville's tax rate was 0.00012. Okay. So the the key part of all this is that as your and you can see this like our in 2024 the home value was uh 568,000 and it increased to 582. Then you can see our tax rate it was 0121 but because the values increased our tax rate decreased to 00012. So I like to look at this as a seessaw that if one side goes up the other side has to go down. So if your property value increases then the tax rate is going to go down unless you have go through the truth and taxation process. the revenue is going to remain exactly the same. Uh and you can see that on our historical chart. You can see from the late 90s, mid2000s, property values didn't fluctuate too much. And we know this because the value remained fairly steady. Uh from about 2005 to 2008, it's when we have the home prices rapidly increasing. So that's where you see that downward curve there. uh because as the home prices increased, the tax rate decreased. Uh we know what happened in 2008. Bubble burst, home prices declined, and the rate went back up. It's important to remember that the city received the same amount of revenue with the exception of new growth from 1997 all the way up to 2017. And in 2017 is when we first went for through the truth and taxation process and increase the rate. So that's why you see that uh steep incline there. And then in 2021 and 2022, we also had uh tax increases as well.

Okay, this is just a comparison of other cities. Um I think it's good information to know, but there are so many factors that goes into a city's tax rate um that it's not always apples to apples. So, for example, F Heights, I believe, only has one uh business that they collect tax sales tax from in their city. So, obviously, they rely a lot more on property tax. Um, I don't know how that applies to every other city in the county, but uh this just shows kind of where we're at as far as other cities. Um, currently we're 10th out of the 15th. Um if this proposed increase were to go into effect and if these rates all stayed the same uh we would move up to eighth place assuming that no other city went for a went through truth and taxation as well. All right. So the other question we commonly get are are property taxes affected by inflation? So people think that uh I mean my dad was one of them. He bought the house 100 years ago for 75,000. now it's worth 600,000 and so he thinks that his property tax has increased because of that. Um but the answer is no and again they're not affected. So the tax rate changes based on the value. Um so the only way it would have increases if the city initiated the truth and taxation process. All right. So then we get the question um well if the city hasn't raised property taxes why has my bill gone up? So, there's two reasons that this could have happened. The first is that another taxing entity, if you remember that pie chart that we first looked at, um if another entity like the school district or the county, if they increase their rate, then your total bill would have gone up. Um the second option is that

your property is increased at a value more than other properties. Uh so when the value of the city increases, the tax rate decreases, which gives the city the same amount of revenue. However, if your specific property increases in value at a rate higher than the city's average, then you'll see a tax increase on your property. But that would also mean that someone else's property tax decreased the amount they pay. And I have an example here that kind of illustrates that. So, in this example city of five homes, uh, right underneath the houses, you'll see the taxable value of each city. Uh, so if you add that up, it's 1.2 million. And then the city collects $1,500 a year in property taxes. Um, so you can see that circled there that their rate is 0.00125. Uh, and then in those blue numbers underneath each house there at the bottom, that's the amount that each house would pay in property taxes at that rate. So, you take their home value, multiply it by the tax rate, and then that dollar amount underneath is what they would pay in taxes. Okay? So, that's this year. Then, we go to next year, and you'll see that their uh values went up. Um yeah, there uh so now the the total uh taxable value for the city is was at 1.2, now it's at 1.65. Um but the city continues to collect that $1,500. So you'll see that because of that, the tax rate decreased to 00091. And then you can see the dollar amount there in blue, the new rate. That's what each pays. And then here in the red,

that is the change from the prior year. So even though the city is collecting the same $1,500, depending on how your individual property increased compared to the city as a whole, you may be paying more. like this first house that it increased at a higher rate. So, they're paying $40 additional or that third house is paying $28 less than they did last year because their house, although it increased, did not increase as fast as the city as a whole. So, that kind of makes sense how this works. It can be confusing. Um,

so that gray house in the first went from 150 to 250, which is 100,000, but it's a greater percentage because that house in the middle, the red one, went from 350 to 450, even though they both went up 100,000, the the impact or percentage of that increase was greater on the first home, which is why I experienced the greater impact. So you may see you may think or you may see on your tax bill that it's gone up $40 from the prior year, but the house down the road is very possible that it or across town it decreased $28. So those are reasons that someone might see fluctuations in their tax bill even if the city didn't go through a truth and taxation process. Okay. So how will this proposed uh tax increase affect people? Um, again, these are just estimates because we don't have our numbers yet, but based on the most recent numbers that we have from 2025, um, the average home pays $384 in property tax. Uh, with the increase of 15.5%, it would bump that up to $441 or about 5758 a year.

Which one one uh discrepancy, Nate, I believe we changed the 15.5, but we didn't change the 5762. That actually is 5961. Oh crap. Thank you. So, uh, we changed the 15 to 15.5, but I don't think we changed that bottom one. So, it is 5961. Thanks for checking my math. I appreciate it.

Okay. And then again, we'll get those new rates um June 8th. Um, so finally, remember this is a uh we did advertise this is a public hearing. Uh, so we still need to hold that, but I would recommend that you adopt uh resolution 26-11 tenatively adopting the tenative budget. And then we also need to set the time, date, and place for the final hearing. So we that you do that on June 2nd, 7 p.m. here at city hall. Are there any questions I can answer?

Um, just I have a couple comments. I I appreciate this is actually so good, Nate. Thank you for doing this. Um you had mentioned there are two types of of the the properties that are taxed. You um may be overlooked because they don't provide tax but there are exempt properties that don't pay any taxes. Sure. And their churches, their government buildings,

nonprofits. So there are those prop uh those uh types of uh properties that don't pay any property tax. Um also uh new growth is something that I've heard about recently. I know that um new growth is uh been a little bit more of a a wild west show with the counties that there was really not a lot of guidance as to what new growth is exactly. But the the they have been uh meeting recently and they are going to be tightening that up and uh making the t Utah state tax commission is going to be uh designating very limited uh items that would be considered new growth. And so uh that will be a little bit more conformed across the state. and I can uh look into those. Uh but really it's going to focus on new construction and uh things that were once considered new growth uh such as um improvements to residential properties uh like swimming pools and things of those that nature

finishing your basement

are finishing your basement are not going to be considered new growth. So that's just a a heads up there on that. And so um I really do appreciate this. It's very uh educational and I think that it will be very helpful um if when I share this with other people in our city to help them understand uh the the way property tax works because it is um it is something that is sometimes a little bit hard to understand the the the pie if you will uh and how every entity has a little portion of that. So, thank you.

And additionally, uh I need to update our website with the most year numbers. I think the last numbers I have on there was from 2024, but on our website, we do have additional resources um like videos from the county that they've put on. Uh I know we're going to try to add some that the league just released uh just in the last couple weeks. Um so, I encourage you to go to our website as well to learn find other resources and videos to learn about it. And may I also just say thank you. That is very informative. The league has got some very good things. I haven't looked at the last one. They provided excellent training to newly elected officials that were were very helpful identifying all this. One thing I will just identify here a little bit in all our presentation. We have not addressed the businesses in the impact where they are they are taxed at a full market value. And so a 15.5% increase to a business instead of amounting to the $57 it amounts to for a for a residence. Those businesses, it's more in the high hundreds or or into the thousands for the average business. I'm not talking about the Walmart. I'm talking about it and little tiny businesses or but but that that increases exponentially or substantially. uh when you're being assessed on the full market value. So understand this is a big impact on the business community which

it's a 45% increase. No, it's a 100% increase, right? Residents pay 55%. Yeah. So it's 45%. I'm just I just was I'm just saying we need to be specific about what we're saying because in some of the documentation you guys provided, you showed that you showed a $582,000 home and a $582,000 business. So, I'm just saying it's not hundreds of thousands of dollars. There is a very specific percentage they're assessed based on the value of their business. But I understand too, they're doing it based on a $552,000 home and a $552,000 business. Few businesses are 552. I

the average business I I just got this from the county assessor now the county treasurer this week the average business in Centerville Utah values at 1.6 million. I I understand that but it's a percentage and it's based on the value. So if they own the business they must be able to like I they have to pay the property taxes on that value. I think it's great that they can afford to own a business. That's the American dream, right? capitalism and we're not setting those rates. I'm just saying it's a specific amount. That's all. The state's setting those rates, right? Right. Yeah. The taxable value. Yeah. Yeah. That comes from the state.

But the city is setting the percent increase and that is going to drive up cost of operations for our businesses more than it is going to in a city that doesn't do that big of an increase. I just want want us to be aware of that. So, we pay more for our product here. They have to charge. That being said, we got to look at this chart where it says Davis County City's comparison and we're down here at this level here. If you look at Clearfield,

the next level up, the amount of new growth that they are taking on in apartments is substantial. And so what is the alternative for Centerville? We don't do we want to do what Clearfield's done and have all that new growth or are we uh wanting to protect our city and to say the this is a a a bedroom community, a place where we have uh single family homes, detached homes and to maintain that type of environment with the infrastructure aging as it is, we need to do certain things and the businesses is I'm sorry, Councilman Bangoder, but commercial properties have been undervalued in the state of Utah because it's a non-disclosure state. And so fair market value for commercial businesses has been difficult to achieve as compared to the residential properties. residents have been paying and that's why we have a 45% um resident primary residential exemption because there's been kind of a imbalance of who's paying

and that was the argument for reducing it to 40% um this year and I will I will share that businesses do have the greatest impact on our services whether it's traffic on our roads to get to the business our public safety spends quite a bit of time at those establishments more than they go residents. So there is an impact, right? So that's there's a disproportionate impact from those businesses. Multifamily, we spend a lot of time there. They have impacts on our parks and our roads. So again, I I understand it might not seem fair, but at the same time, there is that impact and and uh that's that's the way it's done here in the state.

And my point is taxes are one thing, sales tax, revenue generated is another, economic development is the answer. And that's and and when we when we tax some a business higher in our area than they do in a neighboring community, that has an impact on where they decide to relocate. It has an impact.

You and I are in complete agreement on that. But I do think that Brian brings up a good point that we are on the lower half as far as property taxes go. So that should be there are there are many ways to incentivize businesses to come into Centerville. We we need to work on that and there's a lot of really good solutions in the general plan that would require housetops to bring in additional economic development. Not part of this discussion, but I just am saying I I think that Brian brings up a really good point that I I hear what you're saying. We do need to be cognizant of our businesses. They do bring in a lot of sales tax. I they do pay 45% more. That's just the way that it is set up. Um, but they also, it's like Brandt said, they do have a bigger impact.

And if I and if I could share the challenges, I council Bangard, I don't disagree on economic development. Again, that's my background. But also, I've been in Centerville long enough to know that you have a large group of people who would prefer that economic development doesn't necessarily happen here. You keep it a quiet community. So again, it's not so easy and just saying, "Let's go recruit businesses." Now you're increasing traffic and you're increasing the impact on the city. So again, that's a much larger policy decision, but it's not just saying bring in more sales tax cuz I can't rely on sales tax either. When during the recession, the great recession, we lost a million dollars in sales tax revenue. Where are you going to get that million dollars from when you lose it? And you want to maintain that same level of service. So those are the sales tax is great. It helps bring that in, but property taxes is the only way to make sure we have stable level of service we provide the community. So again, not discounting what you're saying, but just understanding that uh there's um a lot of impact businesses have in the community. We we're grateful for them for sure.

And just to tag on to that, Clinton and Syracuse are the highest right now and we are seeing businesses locating new Costco and Syracuse, new Home Depot going into Clinton. It's not unreasonable for businesses to still look at those areas and say we want to be here because

council member Banger and I had a great conversation I think last week where we were going through these different cities where I was sharing with them the differing Clinton actually has their fire department right so that's why you see theirs they got to fund their fire department so theirs is definitely higher Syracuse has their own fire which is very costly as well and uh so Bountiful is way at the bottom but they own their power uh which that power subsidize your general fund it a great amount. Um, the funny one I brought up with council banger is how Cisville is where it is and it's double what Bountiful is, but Cisville Cisville was down at Bountiful until a few years ago when they wanted to build their their police station and and the residents said, "Stop using power money to build a police station. Those are separate." So then Cville finally said, "You know what? Fine. We'll double our property tax to 100% 99% so we can fund our police station." And that's why it is where it is because they weren't allowed to use their power funds to subsidize some of their general fund stuff. So there's argument to be said for each one and how it's different than what we have and the new growth. So West Point's growing so crazy right now that they're able to generate that new growth revenue to help support there's there's many things to be said. The one argument

West Point the one which is the there was a city that doesn't have property tax. That's West Haven. West Haven. That's right. But they have a ton of new growth. Yeah. And they're going to have some growing pains. And they get a heck of a deal on police protection. So that's why they don't have it yet. They contract with their their neighboring city though just proposed a 55% tax increase. So they're they're not going to be far behind in in that regard. So for sure.

Yeah. Property tax interesting animal. The one thing that came up that council member Bear and I discussed which I thought was fascinating. we're not there yet is uh Nate mentioned it that 19.9% of our general fund is relying on property tax and I think that's the number that's kind of more uh what how much does a city rely on property tax and ours is actually relatively low I think 19.9% 1/5if of it is property tax the rest is charging for services sales tax those types of items so I think that's a good rate it'd be funny not funny but curious to see how other cities rely on it but

and to your point that's the the pros and Cons of it is the pro is we have a great sales tax base. We have great businesses that really help us provide quality service. The con is when you have an economic downturn. Residents still expect that service. We still have these things that we need to provide, but we lose that sales tax base and all we have is our property tax. That's steady income. So, good and bad. I'm very grateful we have such a great sales tax base. Um but economic downturn it can create issues has created issues.

I see your point Councilman Bangader. I guess uh that's where as a citizen you got to become Joe Q citizen and go lobby the legislature to change how they assess property taxes to the businesses and the residents. You know they're setting the rate as far as the exemption rate and that sort of thing. Right. So, we're we're we're setting our property taxed, right? But they're setting how residents are taxed and how businesses are taxed.

I I was having a fascinating conversation with the in-laws who live in California um who are interested in moving to Utah. I'm not sponsoring them, so don't blame me. I sponsored my wife who's from California. I'm only allowed one, right? So the in-laws are looking I've looked at their property tax bill and they have prop 13 which restricts the cap on how much uh it can increase u each year 3% I think is the cap and so they were like we don't want to leave this cuz it's capped and they built their home in 1975 1978. Um, so as I'm looking at the property tax bill, uh, they actually pay more than what we pay here because they pay 100% res in their residential. And so they actually pay more in property tax even though they think they're getting a heck of a deal, but they are not. They are a disclosure state. So the next door neighbor who bought their house for $800,000 is paying $8,000 a year in property taxes because it's just one straight across 1%. Anyway, kind of fascinating. So in Utah, we have a very unique system uh and it's working well, but at the same time, it it does need some tweaks to it. Not crazy tweaks, but reevaluated. But anyway, it's a good system.

So Nate, on the last screen here, you say that uh so the June 2nd meeting is when we set the public hearing for the final budget.

Yeah. So historically, we have held the uh the public hearing for the final budget on that first meeting of June. However, because the deadline from the county is June 8th, we generally don't have our property tax figures. Um, so we generally table the vote on that, but still allow the public hearing to provide additional opportunity for comment. Um, so I'd recommend setting it for June 2nd. Uh, then we can still table it to the second meeting in June. Um and then assuming that uh you are okay with the uh going through the truth and taxation process, it would be an interim budget that we actually adopt. Um and also that June 13th is your deadline for the entity's property tax impact statement. So that will need to be adopted by resolution on that first meeting. Whether or not you adopt the interim budget that date or the following meeting, um that's up to you. But that for sure has to be adopted.

So Nate, I appreciate the presentation on you were done, right? Yep.

On this I think it it's helpful for all all of us as a reminder. Glad to some the things that were pointed out by council members as well too. Part of I think why Nate put this together because this is a public hearing and if the public was here in person or online, you wanted them to realize it as well too. But as Councilman Plameumber says, it's there for us uh to to talk with the public about it as well too. Um so with with you guys being okay, let's do the public hearing part of it. Uh this is a public hearing on the fiscal year 2027 tenative budget. Uh that public hearing is now open. If your member of the public is so inclined to speak, just state your your name and where you're from. Seeing nobody in person and nobody online, I take a Jennifer right that we will close the public hearing uh keeping in mind council that there'll be there'll be a public hearing for final budgets and property tax increases as well too. So, uh, um, I do hope that you take this information out to the the the public and, uh, educate them and help them to see what we're doing. So, now we're back and, uh, no comments, no public hearing made. So, um, so unless there's more questions for Nate, uh, our budget officer, um, uh, this this is a resolution in front of you, 2026-11. Uh, and, um, I would look for, uh, if no questions, a motion for on 2026-11. I'd just like to state I'm going to be

opposing this uh this proposed budget because uh I think we could be a little more conservative in several areas that have been lightly discussed previously. I I am totally understanding and would would support a tax increase. I think we can do so and manage our city tightening our belt a little bit uh with less than 12.5%.

I actually agree that you know there's probably some areas where we could still do that. Councilman Bangader. Uh but based upon the fact that what the mayor has stated is we've had so much time to go through this and and I didn't get everything that I wanted and perhaps you didn't either. And and so that being said that it is a tentative budget. We are allowed to uh have discussions with our our constituents. Uh we should have discussions with our constituents about it. Um and uh get some feedback and bring whatever information and feedback you get or we get from that to the next council meeting where we will discuss the the table. We'll discuss the interimm budget. And so for me, I feel like the tentative budget is there. We are going to need to pass it by resolution so that we can start the discussion process uh publicly. And so I would make the motion to

accept. Do we need to wait for somebody? No, no, no. I can I just before you make a motion I I guess I I guess I think at this point if there are specific items that you don't agree with this is the point where you bring them up and we adjust the tenative budget. We can do that. I mean that's up to you if you want to do that. Again, this is just accepting it's your opportunity between now and the interim to make those. And I would dare say when you have your next meeting that's where you'll make your final decisions as the end.

That's also fine. And I was going to say I guess I guess what would be helpful for me um if if there are changes you want to make is maybe just it's kind of hard for Nate to do that on the fly and you know reproduce a whole new tenative budget. Maybe just put those items in the spreadsheet. give us the line item the one zero what the you know the number that you have in the lefth hand column the item and what you're proposing so that we can I mean I think that would help us to very efficiently discuss those and so in going that direction Councilwoman Hurst uh

Councilman Banger pointed out that he was had 46 items he looked at do are we going to go over each one of these items And can we make Well, that's where I'm saying if it can we make decisions. I mean, because I got a lot of of silence on our previous discussions, you know, where uh

I don't know that we've had a whole lot of like we've had a work session, we've had two retreats, but most of that has been allowing staff to present that to us. I I I don't know that the council has had a chance to I Yes, Councilwoman Banger has brought up several items he doesn't agree with. I don't think we've really discussed it as a group and said whether we agree or not. I don't agree with everything he said. I'm definitely open to some of those suggestions, but I 46 items is a lot. So, how do we how do we simplify that? I guess I would say I think that it's just, you know, if you want to put 46 items on I don't know that I agree that all 46 items didn't deserve an increase.

Let me clarify what the 46 was. The 46 was simply those items that increased more than 5%. I I I concur with most of those. Okay. I think there's 22 that I put a star by that I I I questioned this one. So, and maybe there'll be less than that after our discussion tonight, but no, I thank you, Councilman Hurst. We have not we have not had that discussion about those items that I brought forward. A a quick little deal in a work session that we maybe somebody was assuming something because the head was nodding a certain way. We we haven't had that discussion. That's what I'm pleading for and I believe that that that can better serve our

I'm fully supportive of that. I do think that just in interest of time and efficiency, we I I know you've said them I know you've written them down. I know you've handed us some stuff, but maybe just I'll do that. Maybe we let Brian make his motion on the tentative budget and get that going so that we have fulfilled our legal obligation on the dates. But I'm totally open to like going through. I I just think it'd be helpful if you got something that you have a concern with. Let's do that. And let's not just bring it to the meeting. Let's get it to staff and the mayor so it can be reviewed and put maybe put in the document or

we have two lines where we or two columns where here's and I I I've worked on spreadsheets. I and I don't want to like preempt or say it's easy, but just add another column and then uh and if we could have access to an Excel spreadsheet, that would be awesome, too. Uh that um but just adding a column software is like really like the budget software that he's creating that report with is probably not we can tweak it. I've already tried to get him to tweak it a few times and he's pretty stubborn about it. It's it's not on an Excel doc. It's it's not an Excel doc. Okay. So, well, I it's it's probably way more powerful than I want to add an extra year to get historical. Excel is pretty powerful.

Excel is pretty powerful, but it doesn't do that kind of stuff. The size it's already the font is you needed. And so what I would say is just have and maybe be able to uh highlight in yellow those 22 items and say, "Okay, if we were to if you're to change those, here is the the final, you know, line of of the the budget and then you have a comparison where we can look at both."

Yeah, I'd like to council I would bring up what Councilwoman Hurst said. If in our two budget sessions and our two work sessions and what we've discussed tonight, if there's a handful, two or three, four items that you're all against, well, let's get it out there and you don't want them on the budget, eliminate them, you know, but well, and so I but but I I I did not hear the consensus. That's why because some of those I'm against as well too, but that's why we have further discussion after I feel like intended budget.

Every time we've talked about it, we're going to have further discussion. I've never felt like, okay, now's the time we want to talk about this this subject. I haven't felt like we've came to that. And that's maybe where I get frustrated and say, I need another two weeks for the budget. I feel like we're to the point now that I'd like to have a work meeting and sit down and say I'm I'm a little confused or I'm a little concerned about this. Is anybody else? And if everybody says, "No, Robin, we think that's great." Well, then I shut up. But I don't want it to be something where we're going to grandstand and take hours and hours. But I think there are some things in the budget that I'm still questioning that I would like to know if other people are feeling the same way. And so I feel like I do need a work meeting that I can sit down and say, you know,

well, let me let me ask this question. I feel I feel like there has been some direction on things, whether it's something has been brought up, but nobody has has two or three of you haven't said yes, I agree with that because if if there was that then we the garage door openers we reduced, right? So I do feel like did we reduce them? Let me bring up Mills. Mills has been brought up four times now. We've talked about we've all we've all agreed with that. But there are But councelor Banger, did you want to bring that up in one of your items? I didn't agree. See, that's the this is where I'm I think we agreed enough of us agreed we wanted to keep the meals that that was not that was correct. That that was a council member Banger is going to bring that up. I I won't speak for him, but I'm pretty sure because we've talked about it again. But then if he says that and four people are like, "No, we're not."

But I feel like that's what we went through. We did that. But we were rehashing. So again, let me bring up another on the meals. Yes. Well, on the meals we talk about he did, but I don't know if the police officer training. We we talked about that and we we pitched our ideas of the police off training and the value of that and there was kind of like okay,

you didn't necessarily come out and say I fully support it or I disagree with it, but there was neither or. But that that's where the mayor said silence is is acceptance to some point. So we're like, okay, it's in the budget cuz you didn't come out and say we want that out. And so I feel like we've rehashed multiple items and I'm not disagreeing for you to have this conversation, but we have debated and we've defended and we've discussed and and I feel like I feel like we had a pretty good budget and now it's I feel like it's all being undone and we're starting budget retreats. Let's schedule two nights of budget because that's

being for maybe it's more of a checklist just I get what you're saying. I I think that if Councilman Banganger is feeling like he's got 22 items he wants to go through, tell us what they are right now. I'll just say yes or no. But there's going to be lobbying and saying, "I feel this way." And I'm not saying just you, Councilman Banger. I'm saying all of you will say, "I feel this way about this item and here's why. Does anybody else feel this way?" And then you're going to say, "Well, yeah, maybe that I'm just telling you. I've been doing this long enough, especially this year." One of my question I don't think we got the chance is difficult.

We we gave that time to staff to explain. We asked a bunch of questions but we didn't necessarily as a group discuss each item and I didn't think that was appropriate because we were never going to get through it if we did that. That's why we allocated we should have scheduled a bunch of more meetings before now if you wanted to feel like there's other things you want to discuss. We allocated two work sessions to it, dropping the general plan both times, spending an hour and a half, 3 hours total. I'm I'm People weren't responding. My silence was that I was okay with it. But I guess if there's other things that have not come up yet, I You just hit the silence means you're okay with it. I'm I'm fine with it, but

but Councilman Banger wasn't. He was bringing things up. Well, he's not going to he probably won't change my mind on the things we've discussed, but I don't know that we talked about 22 different talking points. So, if there's things he didn't get a chance to get to, that's I guess what I'm trying to bring up. Well, and my thing is I kept people kept saying, "Well, we're going to discuss this." Well, we'll we'll do this now, but we're going to discuss this. So I kept thinking we were going to have this meeting that we could kind of final I and then they get it's the fine it's only the tenative so we're still you can change but two meetings a month isn't enough for me I guess is my problem. I just need more time.

Mayor it would really help us if the work sessions are a challenge because we can't vote. It would really help us if you would give some direction when we're discussing these and say, "Okay, do we have three of you who agree yes or three to agree no to this?" At that point, we can and and sometimes we're sitting here in a meeting like I think the garage door opener. Yeah, I'll do better than that.

People were nodding their head or they weren't nodding their head in silence and and staff and you take that as as an we we've got to have better clarification. But go go go back to two weeks tonight. Uh look at the YouTube and you'll see I did that on at least three occasions, you know, uh do we agree with this or not? You know, and finally on one of them, and I don't I hate to pick out just one when Brian was bringing up the uh the consulting group, I said, "Is anybody else in favor?" And nobody said it. Everybody's in favor, you know. Yeah. So I I I get it with

So I have a I have a question because maybe I'm reading this wrong, but in part of what I was reading, I don't think all of our employees are getting the same increase. Does anybody else realize or feel like there's a difference in the percentage in difference in different employees? Only if there's a promotion for for somebody that there's there's no difference in that. Brent, the 2.9 cola. Is that what you're referring to? No, everybody gets the cola, right? It was stated tonight that we're giving and you stated in our meeting that we everybody each department was getting a 5% increase, right?

2.9 plus potentially 2% merit. So, it doesn't go to every employee. The department heads will distribute that pot of money as they see fit. One employee could get three, one could get one. Okay. But under administration, it's 6% in this budget. and and and community development is 4.5. Okay. So, so that the the numbers on going back to personnel. I'll let I'll let Nate talk about that. Well, I was going to say we talked about that in the retreat that has to do with adding an employee or one retiring. There's it's not But what about the administration? There's a few factors. I have to go back and look at specifics. Um they talked about it in the retreat. You have I've got notes. I'll find them.

So, as Brandt said, we We did it based on the cola and then the merit. Uh if there are promotions, so going from police officer one to police officer two, water worker one to water worker two, those are things that could increase it more than that. Um so is that why the numbers are looking different? And it doesn't look like the same. There's also overthinking this. Mhm. There's also um for example in police or admin has the interns. So like those added positions are going to increase that cost a little bit. That's a separate line item though.

They're in part-time wages, but like you'll see in attorney we increased. So they she had some 5,000. I can't remember. The part time is 100% increase for admin is is what it says 100% there. There was zero money 10,000 whatever it was. Um other items could be based on your probationary period. So during that first year while you're on a new hire is on probation, they're not eligible for a merit increase. Um but once they get off probation, then they become eligible for that. So that could fluctuate as well. Um if you give me specific So you said admin. Yeah. Do it a year. Probation. Community development. Was that the other one? I want to change it.

Community development only had 4.5. I'll look at that. Um, the other fluctuation could be if it was a vacant position, which I don't think it was the case in community development, but if you had a vacant position or you had an employee that was making, so we budgeted this year for an employee that was making this much and then we hire a new person had a lot of experience that lowers their wage with the code officer. Yeah. Uh, so that could fluctuate. Um, again, I'll look into those two specifics.

Descord's at four, admin's at six. Again, it goes back to his spreadsheet, but we'll evaluate the spreadsheet. So, one thing you have to do tonight, okay, by law, correct me if I'm wrong, Nate, you have to approve a tenative budget. You can't you can't you can't say, "Hey, uh, let's do a let's do a stay on resolution 2026, a deferral." Okay? We can't change our mind.

So, either uh I'm going to go home and call a half hour break and change into my shorts and uh uh and be be casual to stay here to discuss this and all the items or we can discuss a couple items. We maybe want to adjust to it or we can approve a tenative budget. Okay. I'm okay. If you if you vote against approving it, we're going to have to do that anyway. Well, I can approve because we got we got to pass the tenative budget. I can approve that on the control on the I just was say I just wanted to if there was something that needed to be discussed but can't we discuss it afterwards?

We we will schedule the next work session for for you all to debate the budget with no staff present. We decide you can just do I'm just kidding. So the next work session we'll have questions Brad. So no the next meeting we'll we'll just schedule that for the budget like the interim so you guys can discuss uh these items these list of items. Again, it might be helpful for you all to list your specific issues and get it to Mayor Nate and myself so others can prepare and do the research instead of a gotcha. And I feel like that's where some of like I have an issue with this. I'm like, well, I got to go research that. And I I totally with Brand there, it doesn't do a lot of good ones dropped on us last minute,

right? And that's how and I feel bad cuz I feel like Grant's kind of feeling attacked and we're really not. You know me, I I just thought there was another I just missed a meeting in there somewhere. And I don't have a lot. I don't think it would take very long. And I and I'm not saying I'm right on any of them. I mostly just have some questions as why. But before I vote on it, I need to get that ahead of time. And I agree with like staff having a chance to review it. Um I when it gets sprung on us right in the moment, I agree. Sometimes I totally agree with that. I'm listening and processing but not necessarily ready with an answer. I totally agree with that. I think that would be great.

I I don't have a problem. I I will say this, the stuff that we have discussed thus far, I'm I personally am probably like it'd be nice if we if there's additional stuff, bring it up. But if we've discussed it, like I don't know that the mills thing is going to change from a vote perspective. So maybe just let's focus on the ones that haven't had a chance to be discussed. That's right. And I have a few of those as well. So I think that definitely having a work session with that and sending those to you uh before that time would be I'll be willing to do that. You're banned from being up the Ferguson group and fire assessment.

I'm just kidding. Fire assessment is coming up. I'm sorry. Again, I whatever you want to bring up, that's entirely up to you as you debate it. This is your time and and we'll we'll listen. Maybe we would all I'm not sure anything will change. I think maybe it's a feel-good thing. So, if Brian brings up the fire and says, "I don't want to do this." And the mayor says, "Has he got two to go? Has he got go got two more? If he doesn't have it, we just move on to the next." You want me to bring an official like a professional facilitator for this? Yes. Could you get Could you get like an auctioneer? Prioritize it. We can Sorry, I'm joking because I really need to utilize right now. So,

but I do think I I do think that we don't want to spend hours on any one thing, especially if there's only one or two of us. So, I just think that's how we handle the meeting. You bring up your item, the mayor says, "Have I got two more that want to discuss this?" No, we're fine. Okay, move on to the next one. But then I may, like I said, there may be just a couple of questions that I'd like answered and I'm sure there's an answer to them. But we got to get you satisfied enough. We're three people uh at a deadline. What's our deadline for final budget? June second. End of June is the legal that you can't defer that. We got to get three people that'll vote for the budget. Okay. Hey, look. I'm going to vote for the other one tonight. It is, but we but the public hearing

is on June is on June 2nd. So that's when we start. We haven't set that yet to approve it. We're going to table it and and we want to make sure we give plenty of time for public comment because I think it's important to give people more than one evening to on what? For public hearing. I I think it's right and fair that they if they can't make it one night, they still have another chance. Right. Can I just say too I I'm not I don't know how to work Excel very well. So I'm not going to be able to do what you said Brian about having a dollar figure line item and a few things for us to discuss. You can decide whether we have we take time to debate that a little bit but it's got to be in calligraphy

if you're in your head right. The the other thing I'm just going to make you aware uh I am heading to Alaska on May 21st. I will not be here but I will be attending by Zoom. It's going to be a little different. Uh but that's 19th. So May 19th is our next meeting. He'll be here for that. Yeah. So you'll be here for that next meeting. I'll be here for the next meeting. I will not be here for the public hearing first of June. Okay. Uh I am going to be coming back from Alaska first part of July and near the end of August for a while. But uh just you know you're all very happy to hear I'm sure that I'm going to be out of touch and out of commotion for for you guys. But

no, I just feel bad for you. It's hard to It's hard to do. It's Zoom is hard. But but that is great. We're zoom in. We just want to see the Kodiak bear eating with you. That's right. Your table. Um okay. So with that said then uh we you have input going forward. Do we need to s give you a date like in college of when this their high school when this paper's due to get us your comments back? So it it will make it more efficient if we get them in advance. The sooner the better. Yes.

Yes. I think if we've all gone through and kind of said what it is, that might also like defined some patterns of what to attack first. Like, you know, let's just say for example, Brian said Ferguson group. Well, if there's a couple that bring that up, then that's an easy one to kind of say we got to get that to the top. So, if we're going to discuss it next on the 19th, uh, a week from today, so like the staff can 12th by 5 p.m. getting your your comments. Uh, oh, the week from today. Yes. Let's say May 12th by 5:00 p.m. or they're You guys have got to have that long. We need that long. Can we do it by this Friday so staff has more time on

That's fine. May 12th. I May 12th will be fine. Okay. again give you enough time um and then and then we can compile all we have. So let's if we receive them all sooner then we'll send it out sooner. Okay. Um and then we have chance. So it's entirely up to you but May 12th for sure the latest. May 21st was the day that I feel like was a big date because we knew if uh some grants were going to be approved and if they were not then I was like going to bring that group up again. But look at the group that shall not be named.

Okay. So, do we have any uh that there's no consensus proposed changes to the budget tonight? Right. No. So, I can look. Was it Brian? Were you the one? I did start the motion. I'm sorry. Motion and No, it No, you hadn't had you hadn't had comment. Everybody else had. So I'm sorry. So uh we Yes, that was fair. We're there. So I'll make the motion to accept the resolution number 2026-11. Can you set the time and date for the public hearing as well? And to set the show show that last slide. Time and date for There you go. Right there.

The public hearing on June 2nd, 2026 at 7 p.m. at Centerville City Hall. Second. Motion to second. We Any further discussion? We ready to vote? Councilman M. I. Nay. For the reasons stated previously, if we'd make sure with those get into the minutes. I I

All right. So, that passes. So, we have have a tenative budget set. So, please remember to get your comments in by uh 12th and we'll uh the next meeting we'll see what we can discuss on those. And and Mr. Mayor, if I could, it's part of my city manager report, but I think now would be timely. Uh what we'd like to do when we have these property tax increases is to set up a an open house so the public can come. Uh I think they've worked out really well. We have public so we'll have potentially a water rate increase. So we'll discuss that. We'll have a sanitation fee increase. So we'll be prepared to discuss that and this. So between now and June 2nd, uh is there a time that you all again you're not required to be in attendance? Um, but we'd like to potentially set up that open house.

Um, can I ask really May 21st was actually the date I was thinking that Thursday night. Are we going to do a 7% is that recommended across the board? Are we doing uh some sort of tiered structure on that part of the water worth discussion that we will have more information on? I think that's uh important for us to see before we what we'll do and what we did years ago when we had our our water rate increase is we actually had our utilities billing clerk at the open house. So you can come and say how does that impact my bill and we would run it through and we'd say this is what your bill I think they also calculated the property tax increase too didn't they? We did.

So that was really helpful. I actually saw several residents take advantage of sitting down with I think it was Lann Childs at the time and Tana Schmidt was here as well. Okay. And they sat down and they were able to get those numbers and I thought that was a really nice service to provide. So again, it doesn't necessarily require your okay or your presence. U but just so you know that's what I don't know Nate if you had a date in mind just yet but um I think anytime between now and previous to the Okay. Is there a second meeting in June would be fine? Again, you're not required to be there. So, if you have a preferred date, we can consider it, but doesn't require your attendance.

I'll be there if I can. There's a high likelihood that I am not going to make it between now and June 2nd. So, okay. All right. Well, what we'll do is we'll propose a date to you all and you let us know. That'll work. and I perhaps having it um we're not doing if we're going to do you know Thursday the 21st um having it open for a period of time after hours u we do have other events in the evening 21st there's a lot of people out at the parks so if we were to schedule it from you know at least two hours if not

oh true I 6 to 8 is what we did last time or something like that. So 6:00 to 9. Yeah. It's not necessarily a presentation type thing. It's an open house. It's an open house where they come in and you discuss and ask your questions. Okay. Well, we'll propose a date and we'll let you know. Send mail or so. Okay. Thank you. All right. Uh we don't have a lot left. Yes. Yes sir. Everybody. Okay. Let's let's pray quickly then.

in the city. Those people hang on. They don't think we're as entertaining as rehab. Thank you everyone. How you enjoying the sun?

We're going to skip to item seven and hopefully people that are online for this that uh you're still with us and uh you've been exhilarated and excited uh by our discussions. Uh we're going to move there so we can since you've been waiting for so long. So, this is a extension request for subdivision plat approval. Rolling Hills uh street vacation plat 350 East and Rolling Hills Drive. And uh it looks like we have Mike Eugget here to discuss it.

Thank you, Mayor Council. Uh I'll keep this brief. I think it's pretty straightforward hopefully. Um per city municipal code 15.09.170 09.170. A approved uh plat can be requested for a six-month extension if they're coming near their expiration time. In this case, the vacation plat has reached its its expiration point. It was approved back on May 6th of 2025. Um the applicant group is Scarle and Mark Leong. Um they're co-licants on that. You can see their their letter that has been provided is attached as the second document. Um, one of the requirements is that they establish a good cause explanation for their request and the last sentence of their letter is their their brief explanation. Um, they are working on it. We do know that they've had some challenges with Weaver Basin water and some back and forth about the expense for their project and and the area that they're they're trying to get water for. That's one of the bigger ones. So, they are on the line. if you have any questions for them um to to talk about that. One of the the elements that I did note is that the vacation plat we we required that they have that be recorded with the actual subdivision plat. And so the rolling hills amended subdivision plat was approved back on um August 4th, 2025. They've also sent in a request for an extension of that if it's needed, but they're a little bit off in timing as far as the vacation plat the subdivision plat was approved, but uh we are are working with them. Um the reason that the um amended minor subdivision plat isn't coming before the council is because that was administrative review per our subdivision ordinance processing. So, but the vacation plot is required to come to the the city council by code. So that's why the request is written for the six-month extension. So

hopefully that clears that up. Um and then we've provided in the packet the um previous letter of approval, the ordinance that was signed last year, um the uh the vacation plat that was approved and then obviously the historical information. So with that, I think that that's background. I would defer Mayor Council how you like to proceed. So, uh, any I'm inclined to do this. Any questions first for Mike? We have do have Mark and Scott that have if there's any questions for the applicant. This isn't a public hearing. It's just you guys deciding if they want to extend it for six months. Right. So, correct. Any my understanding that staff is is supportive.

Supportive. Correct. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. They they actually just to give a little bit of history about that comment. Uh I don't know it was probably maybe up to a month ago we had a a development review committee discussion with the applicant group about their water challenges and that's where this came up. Um they are working with Weaver Basin to figure out those water challenges so that they can have the water be provided. They're still fully engaged and committed to moving forward with the subdivision, but they need to work through those challenges to get there. And so they just need a little bit more time to do that. Okay, questions for uh Mike or the the applicants are are uh online if you have any questions for them.

What's the impetus to actually have the so they don't have to have another extension? Do they need to the project? Do they need to start the project? They can only have one extension granted by code and then it expires and then it will expire. Then they reappoint. Yeah. And they'd have to start over. Yeah. So there's their interest. Yeah. Okay. Well, uh, Mark Scott, hey, I'm sorry.

Thanks for hanging on. I don't know if there any questions for you. We may be just be doing a motion here. it. I mean, it would most likely I I'm going to side or go with the uh staff recommendation, but would what would be the um devil's advocate position? Why would we not want to do this? I mean,

this has been a project area which which maybe some of you know the history on that's had a hard time developing to get this point. At one point, it was an eight lot subdivision. There was even a variation before that. It was multiple lots. That was well before my time here. And so this variation resolves a lot of the issues that have happened before with a simple two lot subdivision. This is probably a better use. There's there's tough topography below and above it where there's no build hazard areas and it's kind of right in the middle of it. So we really feel like this would be a good way to support it to get it to final resolution so we can get a subdivision, get two building lots out of it and and be able to move forward. whereas there's been multiple probably decades of history of this property area not being able to be. So it feels like it would be supportable from that. Okay.

Motion before we vote, do the applicants have any comments they'd like to make? Applicants, do you have anything you want to say? Mark sir. No, sir. Okay. No for Mark. So Scott's not responding. So looks like not. I'm looking for a motion. Scott unmuted. Motion. Yeah, I was just Sorry. I was

sorry. I was just going to say that uh one of the things that the subdivision does is uh fixes the dead end um on one of the streets, too. So that's one of the benefits of of this this development. Thank you. Motion to approve the six-month extension. Second. Motion to second. Uh Council Mikum. I I I

I motion passes. Uh thank you. Good luck in the next six months. Uh uh I'm sure you'll let us know where we can help you. You'll be in contact with Mike. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you for hanging on. Uh Scott, Mark. Yeah, no worries. Adana too, my wife. Thank you guys. Thanks everyone very much. Have a good evening. You too. Thank you. Bye-bye.

Bye. All right, let's go back to item number six. This is um I almost said public hearing on tenant budget. Yeah, we want to do that again, huh? This is the inter fund loan between the capital projects fund and the water fund that we talked about in the work session.

All right. So, yeah, we've we we did discuss this in the work session. So, I don't know how much you want me to get into this, but I'll just give a brief background uh because it is a public hearing for those that may not have heard. Um we've had some uh major issues with our main street water line from Chase Lane to Jennings Lane. Uh that's in need of replacement. Um the last major leak that we had there, we lost over a million gallons of water and it cost over $100,000 in repairs. Uh, so it's in need of repair, but because of the upcoming I upcoming construction on I15, um, that's kind of had us adjust our timeline. Uh, so that we would like to replace it now. Um, due to the cost, uh, our estimated cost at about 2.4 million. Uh, the the water fund only has currently an approximate cash balance about 1.2 million. Uh so uh we had to look into alternative funding sources and the best uh option that we've come up with is for an inter fund loan from our capital projects fund to our water fund. Uh the capital projects fund has a current cash balance of about 6.1 million. Um so we are requesting uh a loan up to the 2.4 4 million. Uh anticipating that uh it'll be less than that, but with the current large project with the tank, uh we know that things can happen during construction and didn't know what uh some change might do to us. So, we're giving it up to, but we do anticipate it being uh less than that. Um the terms, you can see there on the amortization schedule that this would be a 10-year term uh set at a 3.8 interest rate uh with the caveat that uh if the PTI rate increases above 4 a.5% or decreases below 3%.

Then we will uh bring this back before council to consider the terms. Would you state what is for the record? Yeah, that's our public treasures investment fund. Sorry, it's after 10 o'clock. I got to think about it. which is where basically our investment fund uh available for local governments where the majority of our cash is including the state many government agencies and service districts use it as a savings.

Um so you can see there if we were to loan the maximum amount that's what you're it would be a 9 a $293,000 payment each year. It would be due on the last day of the fiscal year. Um, do you want to show the schedule? And I think this is a a great way to fund a project like this. Um, especially given our time crunch with the I-15 issue. Um, sorry, what am I missing? Anything else?

Thanks for getting that summary again because many people will watch this meeting and not have seen the work session. I was going to add, sorry I remembered. Um, because it's a governmental fund to an enterprise fund, we're not required to hold a public hearing, but we did advertise it as such. So, I'd still recommend doing that. Uh, just to give the opportunity. Um and then the because we have that flexibility, the terms and interest rate are flexible, but this is our recommendation just that we did add a resolution um to that item as well so that we can put it in writing. Okay.

Resolution for everything. So they have a resolution they're voting on resolution for council reports. Yes. Uh uh can I ask a question? And I should have asked it when maybe Kevin was here, but um maybe staff will have an answer. I I'm just curious about how it works when you tie in new infrastructure to older infrastructure. We were talking about how Jennings Lane to uh London may be in the same age of depreciation. So

uh is that you know going to affect the qual the the ability for th that section to function properly?

Uh yeah, good question. Uh not necessarily. you it's not really going to change a lot of your velocities or flows or anything uh on the exterior of the pipe that we would see typically cause damage. A lot of time we do these repairs and they last quite some time with you know it's like when when we do a basic repair we'll cut in a 10ft piece of pipe and it's been in there I've had some I've seen that I did myself 20 something years ago and never gone back. So we don't see any uh uh degrading of the neighboring qualities. Okay. Thank you.

All right. This is public hearing matter. So I will now open the public hearing for the interfund loan between the capital projects fund and the water fund. This is somebody so inclined uh to comment. Just state your name and where you're from. Seeing no comment from the public either in person or online, I would close the public hearing. We'll come back for uh any last questions um on this um if not uh look for a motion on it. Can I can I give my little um I like to calculate the affordability guideline.

I would love to hear that. Just sure. I imagine uh all of us would

I just would like this on public record so our residents know and understand that we are looking out for you know as we talk about increased costs I think it's really important that we um kind of explain this um if you were to go and get a a loan from a state agency um the current um affordability guideline is considered to be 1.5% of the modif modified adjusted gross income. And so I pulled that data for Centerville today off of the drinking water website and that is um MAGI for Centerville is 78,000 right now. So that we you would take the cost of the culinary water plus the cost of the secondary water to come up with are we are we below that one and a half% or are we above it and that would kind of help us to understand um affordability. So, I took the um the base rate for water for a 3/4 inch connection is 3960. I took what I believe to be an average home. So, I'm you know 3/4 in connection and then I assumed that my um home that you know we're just a little under a/4 acre that that's probably an average lot size in Centerville. So, so I took the 3960 a month. Um, you do not get any water for the 3960. So, the first 5,000 gallons is $1.68 per thousand. The next 3,000 is $2.30 per thousand. I'm sure you're wondering why I came up with eight. That's an average homes indoor use. And so, since we mostly have secondary connections in the city, this is rough, right? But this is just getting us there. So, you take those numbers, multiply it by 12, you get $654. Um, my irrigation bill last year was $385. Add those two together. And, um,

oh, and also increase, we're probably going to have to increase this by maybe 7%. It might be less depending on what we pull, but um, you get $1,085. The affordability guideline is 1,170. So, we're just a little under what's considered affordability guideline. Okay. Thank you, Councilwoman. Any questions for her on that? Okay.

Another another Can I can I just ask on the the 3.8% Nate? Uh, obviously I love no interest. I next love real low interest. I understand though this is from ourselves and and the fund but would it be inappropriate to maybe go to 3% with it if it goes below 2.5 on the on the PTI? I mean I just asking opinion of

I I 100% would get on board with that with you if we were over that one and a half% because that in my mind would be saying hey we're we're pushing into you know over the affordability guideline. The reason um that I'm probably comfortable with the 3.8 is because that is it's a it's an enterprise fund. It should function on its own and if we were to go to the state and ask for that funding likely because we're under the affordability guideline um they would charge us 5% interest. When I used to when I used to work for the state that's if if an entity came in and they were below then we would charge them the maximum amount of interest which actually the state can go to 7%. They don't I when I worked there they didn't usually go over five.

So that's my only that's my only probably push back on that is if you go below the 3.8% 8% that's lost revenue to the general fund which again might require fund balance used to make up that difference because that's lost revenue and interest to the general fund which is use of fund balance or a property tax increase.

That's the only way that's when we don't want to to harm the enterprise. We don't want we don't want the general fund to make money off the water fund but we also don't want it to be harmed in so there's got to be something whole. The one thing that could change if you want to change the trigger amounts 3.8 8 a difference of8 to 7% between the two if you want to go it gets triggered at 3.3 let's go a difference of five that way it triggers it sooner so the general fund isn't making too much money off of the from from interest if you want to do that trigger and change the trigger fully on board with that I like that because with that

I suspect our economy's got some challenges ahead and I don't think interest rates in the market are going to be any higher if anything lower so that's why I wanted that but I like that okay so go 3.3 a 4.3. Is that fair? That's fine. I'm fine with that. I I want and I think my point um is just that I I want to make sure that we're not the general fund is not subsidizing the water enterprise fund. I mean, we've had discussions about that with, you know, the other way around. And I think we just need to be cognizant that we are that potentially um makes it so we don't do a water rate increase when we maybe appropriately should have. So I but I'm fine with I

here's a more the more you know moment. Maybe that's when you need to start calling them just like educational things of how we got to where we are. But the state legislature was really frustrated with cities back in the day because they would use the enterprise funds to loan to the general fund. I'll give one example. Maybe hope they don't get mad at me, but Syracuse is an example where they built their rec center, but they had their water fund loan the money to the general fund and and then just forgave it. And so cuz because the argument is it's easier to increase water rates than it is to increase property taxes, right? So the the state legislator says, "Knock that off. You can't do that anymore." Again, that's fair. And so you can't give these sweetheart deals on interest rates. So if the enterprise fund was loaning to the general fund, which is usually the case 95% of the time, you can't give a sweetheart deal. You've got to make sure that enterprise fund is whole. And so there's really no law that requires the general fund uh the reversal, but we're just treating it the same as if it was the enterprise fund.

Okay, that that helpful. That's helpful. Okay. And then used to looking at mortgage amateurizations. There's obviously no penalty if we came into some windfall and paid this off early. No, I did joke about the prepayment penalty a little bit. Yes, we did talk about that. Yeah, there's no penalty if they pay off early. Can it looks to me like obviously we're paying this once a year. I mean, if we paid it monthly, wouldn't that reduce the interest by some? It could. Maybe you don't want to sit and do that every month, but say it's a calculation every month. Um, yeah. But we could do that.

I mean, that's that's another great way to save a little bit of money is to just make a monthly payment instead. Principal gets ahead quicker. Yeah. Yeah. All right. Who wants to tackle motion? Sounds like uh Council Hers, Council Banger, I can make a motion. Now, did we talk Sorry. Did we talk about having the water fund fund some of it or do you just want to keep it at the 2.4 and we'll keep it at the 2.4 and adjust as needed. Did we have the public hearing? Sorry. No. Yeah, I did a public hearing. Okay. Yeah. All right. Yeah, we did. I did put in the There was seven comments. Brett, did you you missed all seven? I missed it.

You must have gotten tired. I conferred with Lisa. I don't remember. We talked about a down payment from the water fund and you'd mentioned $400,000. I was thinking, you know, the the interest uh total amount was 530. I would be okay with either of those, but we did put in the resolution up to 2.4 million. Yeah. So, whatever they want to put, I think we can leave it that way. I think I would still maybe could we add to the motion that we do want to see the enterprise fund support 400,000 like have a down payment.

Sure. I again I wouldn't do that because it again it's the water tank and we want to make sure that let's say something crazy happens we want to make sure funds are in there. Okay. The amization schedule of course will adjust based on that and and we could provide that documentation at a later meeting. So is that something that you So in order to understand what you're saying, it sounds like you're saying, "Hey, let us get the water tank done and then we'll transfer 400,000." And if they don't use it all, even if they took out all 2.4 million right now, right? And and they get the water tank done and then they're like, "Okay, we have 600 grand and we want to put it towards that. We'll recalculate the schedule." Okay. Right. I I think it might also be nice if maybe this is too hard to do. Are you just planning to transfer 2.4 4 million all at once. I was going to draw it down.

You're going to draw it down as it's needed. Draw it down to like a bond. I like that. That That's typically how they do bonds, right? They kind of Okay. All right. That sounds good. Well, I'll make a motion that we approve an interfund loan between the capital projects fund and the water fund enterprise fund in an amount up to 2.4 4 million for a term of 10 years with payments due monthly at an annual interest rate of did we say did we decide 3.3% 2.8 3.8 with the triggers

at 38 with the triggers okay sorry okay sorry um with an annual interest rate of 3.8% 8%. Um, if the PTIF rate increases above 4.3 or decreases below 3.3, the terms of the loan shall be reconsidered by city council. Is that what we Yes. Perfect. I second that. To clarify, you said monthly payment, correct? You did say monthly. I did. I did. I did pull that. I think she said daily. Not to make you do that. Calculate that amortization schedule's going to be long. Yes, it is. 120. We have a motion to second. Further discussion. Councilwoman Hurst, start voting. Going to the right. I I

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That passes unanimously. 4 Z. Thank you. All right. Let's skip to uh bid award. This is there's some reaction calendar. Sorry. Bid award Main Street water line replacement and bid award waterline materials for Main Street waterline replacement. We can't include them both. Do you want to both if you want to discuss them separately then uh obviously we can do that as well too. Um do you have any questions for staff on those for what you have in your material? You you'll see on the first one uh there was five bids it looks like. Right. And

on the second one uh we can't remember without looking at it. Uh, it's three bids. One was late to bits. So,

can I I would love to just say thank you to staff for being so on the ball with this particular project. Like getting this in and getting that permitting done for so that we can get this done ahead of the freeway project is I think it was really really smart planning and I appreciate that effort by staff. Have we worked with any of these uh these two that uh you brought to us to accept their uh vote on their bids?

So the contractor 3XL we have not but we did check re uh the references and things look good from them. Uh they've done some other larger projects in Davis County and even further north and excuse me as far as the materials provider. They've provided stuff for us in the past uh on many. It was Ferguson, right? Ferguson got Yeah, they do a lot of they're reputable and they're logging Congress in doing materials. On a bid like this, are we obligated to accept the low bid?

Um on which one? on the contractor or the material. I guess the answer would be no, not obligated to take the lowest if we can really find some you have to have a good strong justification as to not. It's would be very challenging to not accept it unless you had a really strong history of negative performances. uh materials. Same thing for there. If we had had them not perform or not be able to provide materials on any kind of normal schedule that may, but we haven't had that instance with with this group. Did we have any local contractors bid on this?

Um let's see. Contract. There was I got to remember the five names on there now. Orund is not local. They they're out of Perry. They've done numerous jobs for us in the past. Um, let's see. MC Green. MC Green and Suns is local. MC Green, uh, did bid on this one. And there's one other that I believe is out of Bountiful, but I can't remember the names of them right off hand. I don't have that paper with Newman's, right? I'm just Yeah, I'm just curious like for for MC Green, for example, to put in a bid, did we do any outreach to let them or did that come through the state?

I see. Um, generally speaking, it goes through the state procurement, but we see uh we see all the local guys generally picking up the bid packets. It's just whether or not they've expressed the interest, but we can scroll down didn't necessarily go and call very specifically to these, but we see the same contractors interested in working for our community quite regularly. 2.8 All right. Uh, other questions? If not, let's uh motion to run these two bid awards.

I'll make a motion that we award the bid for the Main Street SR106 waterline replacement Chase Lane to Jennings Lane um to 3XL Construction in the amount of $1,393,748. and that we also award the bid for waterline materials for Main Street waterline replacement from Chase Lane to Jennings Lane um to Ferguson Water Group Waterworks in the amount of $567,33547.

Second motion to second. Uh Councilman Plameumber vote go to the right. I I I I That motion passes 4 zero. Thank you. Uh let's go to minutes approval for the April 21st work session and the April 21st city council. Uh is there any changes from uh any of you on either of those minutes? Yeah, I have a couple. Looks like we have two of you at least. Okay. Who? Go ahead. She's not ready. I'm just finding that. Just a second.

On the work session line 50, well 49. I just like to interject there. Councilman Bangader clarified he was not recommending quotas. I stated that on line 14 of page two. uh reflected actual cost and current needs. Councilman Banganger disagreed. Sorry, say that page 14. Page two line 14. Still work session, right?

Yeah, still work session. Uh number three, qu question and clarification. uh on line 44. This is the discussion on the uh garage door openers. I did not recall and help me just understand if I was wrong. I remember council member Hurst making the recommendation that maybe we just replace three units initially. Uh and after discussion, council agreed to that. I remember talking about that but that was just to in my memory that was the last uh thought and I didn't think we came to a conclusion whether we ought to replace any put one on the shelf buy one put one on the shelf and I think we would have had a little more discussion I'm not sure that's what transpired that three of us but maybe you guys can clarify I I do know that Councilman Hurst made that suggestion as a possibility.

I do remember you making that suggestion. I don't know if we ever I don't remember what happened after that, but I'm not saying that's not

I think it's about then we were late and the mayor said enough. Let's move on. But I don't know. Uh that doesn't sound like we're clear. I don't know. We have to go back and look at it to see if we have any recording of it or not. But but uh obviously my recollection is she made that suggestion and trying to get something to Nate. Uh we said, "Well, then uh let's go with half of them. Let's go with the three." But I don't know if we took a vote or anything. I can't remember. We did not take a vote. Yeah.

So, so maybe we don't imply that council agreed. Maybe we just say that recommendation was made or something. Yeah. And then we'll discuss it further in that meeting we're going to have. Yep. Yeah.

Okay. Last one on the notes. uh on page I guess this is three of the work session still line 11 uh after the word accounting I I would like to insert which I did identify another point there being aligning with the policies of the vast majority of neighboring Davis County cities and then the other We clear on what I'm recommending there? Okay, that was the chart that I had prepared and we looked at. Okay, with those I think council member Hurst might have some other suggestions.

Yes. So, the work session page three line 14 through 16. Council member Hurst opposed the proposal, noting that the city is already legally compliant under its current approach and expressing concern about adding further tax burden and creating uneven impacts across taxpayers. I think that the priority statement there is my that I was expressing. So, Council Member Hurst expressed concern about adding further tax burden creating uneven impacts across taxpayers. Um, I don't know that I'm opposed to the proposal. I'm concerned about the proposal from the fact that I want to have enough time to address those prior the priority concerns which is uneven impacts across taxpayers and adding further tax burden. Not that I disagree with the discussion. I was concerned about the timing on it that we need more time to make sure that that we have looked at um looked at how this impacts everyone,

right? But the minutes do have to reflect what was said. So I think she maybe just needs to look back at that. Do you want me just to switch out opposed to expressed concern about Yeah. And and I think that the point is the reason I said that we're legally compliant is because we are legally compliant. We have time to look at this. So I it doesn't it the order in my mind does matter in the fact that the reason I said we're legally compliant is because we do have time to look at this and we don't need to rush it. You can you can go back and listen to it and make an adjustment if you don't agree with me. That's why that was the point of the comment

when you went on. I thought you were wanting her to put more in there as the reason why you were saying we got it. No, no, no. I'm not I'm not asking for any language to be added. I'm asking for I feel like that just the way it got worded doesn't actually changing the word opposed.

Yeah. But I but but I would prefer that it say expressed concern about adding further tax burden and creating uneven impacts across taxpayers without further review. We have time. We are legally compliant. I just I feel like the way it read wasn't the intent of the comment. So more you got all those changes. Right. Uh, do I have a motion to approve the minutes with with the so noted changes? Motion to approve the work session minutes with with identified changes.

Second. This work session. You want to do the council minutes too? I have one direction on the council minutes. Okay, I'll u Yeah. Okay. So, you second it. the work session minutes. Okay. Wait. So, are we gonna have two motions? No, we'll just Yeah, let's vote on that. I didn't know we were I that was doing work session and council. Okay. There's a motion to second on the work session minutes with the changes. All in favor? I I opposed. Okay. I guess we have some council suggest changes. So, uh we'll do a separate motion on that one. Councilman Bangader, do you have C changes on that one? Oh, on

on city council. Okay, we voted on the other one. Okay. Yeah. Uh on the page four, line I just think something needs to be added on line 19 because after we voted on the motion, this is about the the sidewalk. Uh, I think especially Councilman Mikum identified that we need to there was direction here about addressing the in the near future specific identification of where in the city sidewalks may not be required. Remember, yeah, that is correct. And and I think we ought to include that. Did that get discussed up above though? I thought I put something in about that earlier.

Oh, did I miss that? Okay, if you Yeah. Yeah, council member supported amendments practice short-term city entertainment. Oh, wait, wait, no, that's not it. I thought I put something in there about that. Maybe I think what I was referring to was the the last where you just highlighted, but the last line preferred a more permanent mapping based solution. I guess I assumed that was that we would bring it discuss it again, but maybe that's I do think it needs to be put in there that that I and I know Gina agreed. I I think that there was and so did I. Yeah. And Rick agreed also that we needed to look sooner than later at the

area of where we maybe don't want sidewalks in Centerville. So you want and hopefully that'll help staff. You want an additional statement put in after the motion was made. Yeah, that I think that was after the motion. I don't know if it was before after. I can't tell you that, Jennifer. I can't remember either, but I can go back and listen. And don't you think it can just be as simple as it can either be council member Mikum suggested looking at this? I think it needs to state that there were three of us that asked staff to please maybe maybe so that they have that concurred that this should be reviewed.

Yeah, I think staff would appreciate that because we're working on it. Any other changes? Okay. Motion to accept city council minutes with those changes. Motion to approve the city council minutes from 421206 with uh with the proposed amendment. Second. All in favor? I I post. All right. Let's go to uh council report. Council member Banger, uh you're you're up tonight.

Just what they wanted to hear. Hear more from me. I know. I'll make it quick. Centerville tells us we have double the snowfall out.

First of all, the citizen core agenda or citizen corps meeting. Centerville citizens corps. I'll just identify had a good meeting uh talking about radio backup in addition to what may be uh critical in the event that our mobile devices aren't working to get communication. The city did have the well the state had the great Utah shakeout on April 16th. Our city participated heavily had really good participation from some stakes and some not so much. Uh uh but Chief Packerson does a tremendous job overseeing that and great uh they we are going to have the emergency preparedness fair on September 26. It will be a regional so it should draw more public interest and be a good opportunity for citizens to be better prepared. Uh

where is that going to be held? That's going to be at the I call it the Davis County Fairgrounds where the rodeo used to be. Sports complex. Sports complex. Okay. Thank you. So 26. Yes. That's September 26th. Okay.

Chief, did you have any more on that on the citizen court? Okay. Thank you. Uh next is the Centerville Dual Creek irrigation and and uh try to summarize this quickly. Uh we met again the si the dual creek will centerville dual creek will be beginning to pressurize the system on May 11th. By Saturday May 16th the system will all be pressurized and turned on into the homes. They purposely do this on a Saturday uh anticipating more residents at home in case the residents have a leak and they can get at it quicker and and do that uh and take care of those kind of problems. Uh so they're interested in people keeping an eye out for any leaks or problems. We're welcome to call uh Robert Barnes if we have any any situation. new meters by the end of May. Uh shortly after the system is pressurized. Now, there's a little problem with this. The new meters will begin to be be uh installed. Now, the meters are going to be between the park strip or inside the sidewalk in all but one situation in the city. That's amazing. We don't have to dig up any concrete or asphalt. And the meters are going to be installed. Now, this is surprising. They're going to be hand dug. So, you got to dig the the meter box out, put the meter in, make connections necessary, and then back fill it. And that's going to be labor intensive. Uh they aren't going to use equipment to do that. They're going to be hand dug. Now, I thought that's going to take forever. But apparently, this contractor has a very big crew, and he says they can get 50 homes done. uh uh day.

Wow. How many people? Uh he didn't say Robert didn't know how many, but that that's going to take a lot. Now, the other thing is I hope they've anticipated the rocks we have in Centerville because hand digging those is going to be hard. Have they considered also all of the telecommunication boxes? Well, and and probably not, but

I hope it goes well. I would hope that they will do, you know, marking and have the uh blue stakes identify things. So, they're I mean, they've done this in numerous cities. They're a company very familiar with it, very proactive. Now, the problem is they're they're going to be doing that in areas of the city, but they hope not to have to turn off, but the water pressure has to be turned off for where they're working. So, right after we get pressure,

some neighborhoods are going to have it turned off for a few days again, and then that'll be sporadic through the city. So, we're likely going to have some complaints and some frustration from citizens about what's going on there. There's nothing we can really do about it, but they're going to be putting out notices. They're going to put door hangers on the areas where they're working. Uh, a good portion of the city's already been marked for them to know where where that line is to dig down and put the meter in. And they're starting Oh, did I write that down? They're starting on the the north end of the city and the northwestern part of the residences and then moving from there. Uh, they believe those are going to be easier systems to put in before they get to some of the more challenging ones in the older part of the city. and where it's likely more rocky.

I would think if they did it during the day when you're not allowed to be watering and if they can do 50 per day, they ought to be finishing what they're doing. They should be able to turn it back on for watering every night. Well, but there might be more than 50 in that area that they're right. But they can turn it on for watering and then turn it back off. They're not going to leave it. I mean, as long as they don't reressurize that multiple times, it's it's hard. It's pretty hard on those, especially the older pipes. Once they turn it off, it's probably off until they get the whole thing. They're just turning a road off. They turn those off and on all the time.

It causes water hammers. So, I if they choose not to, I do approve them on that. Yeah, I that's that's the plan at this point. Uh

well, if they start getting complaints, that might be something to look into. Yeah, we'll see how it goes initially and see how they progress. And the other good news is they have almost all the equipment now that they need. They're looking for a place still to stage it and store it. Uh but they think they have some leads on that and they are anticipating being complete by the deadline of November 1st and think that things look positive for accomplishing that to to qualify for the funding. Well, if they really do get 50 done a day, they'll be done in 47 days.

I'm sure that that there will be days when they don't. That's that's a good that I mean that gives them plenty of time to have all sorts of issues to deal with and it'll be done on time, right? I'm predicting snow for July. So,

okay. June 18th uh is the election and the shareholders meeting for the Cable Dual Creek Irrigation. One board member, Jeff Cook, has is no longer a member of the board and his replacement will be appointed uh to fill the remaining two years of that uh assignment, their four-year terms. And so that won't be requiring an election. the board themselves will make that appointment. But two board members are up for reelection for election on June 18th. Uh Robert Barnes does uh he's going to run again. Bill Duncan is the other. He's still undecided whether he's going to run or not.

Uh and hopefully, no, not hopefully anymore. Robert confirmed yesterday there's not going to be a price increase this year. Now, a lot of residents have been asking, "Hey, we haven't had the water for a month late. We have to turn it off a month early. You know, how much money we get back?" Obviously, it doesn't work that way. But there are people feeling like they should have a reduction. Uh we don't feel like there's going to be a a price increase next year as well, but they haven't looked at their their budget that they won't know until some of this metering happens. But a lot of the price increase was associated with the meters and we'll be we'll have that behind us.

Just it's it's so the one thing you can say if people ask is the water comes from God. The infrastructure is what we're paying for. That's just the way it is. That's we we can't control mother nature. But unfortunately all the money has been expended for the system. So that's what we're actually paying for. Water is free. Infrastructure is not. That's how I see it. Yeah. Yeah. And as we're aware, we all need to keep praying for more moisture. Yes, we do. But I was going to mention, mayor, I think I mentioned to you last time on June 18th, I will not be here. Uh if you could be there or you need to maybe assign somebody else to be there to represent our votes.

June 18th for the board meeting. Yeah. What do you have a time on that? I don't, but I have it down. I assume it'll be 7 o'clock, but I'm getting there though. I wrote down six for some reason. Did you say six before? I I might have told you that. I don't have it written in my notes here. I'm sorry, M. It might be six. I mean, I don't know. I don't know this year, but I It seems like they start a little earlier than Yeah. I I'll find out and send you a message that let you confirm the time. I'll do that. Sounds good.

That's it. Thank you. Any questions for Rick? Anybody anything or Councilman Banger? Sorry. Anybody with anything pressing on theirs that we need to know about?

Mayor, I have just a couple of quick questions I'd like to bring up right now. And one of them is to see if any of the other council members is interesting interested in us looking at door-to-door salesman. I've had a ton of complaints on them, some of them being aggressive and uh Farmington has a really strict rule. Um Kisville just implemented one. We haven't had anything for a while. I'm not sure we even have anything on the books in Farmington. They have to be registered. They have to have a thing around their neck with their name and their company so that if they do come to the door and they're aggressive, you have some recourse. And the other thing is if you got your name around your neck and your company, you're probably maybe not going to be as So I'm just wondering if you've had any other people contact you this year or if you're interested in looking at doortodoor salesman and they're um

anybody have any contact? I haven't had anybody talk to me about any others. I haven't had anyone reach out either. Yeah, I've had a couple of solar panel guys by our place, but I have them come. But you there is and they are door-to-d dooror salesmen. I I have to say that in my 20s I did some door-to-door sales and you have to be assertive. Aggressive is is a a step to the in the wrong direction. But being a salesperson, there is some part of that.

I can ask these people to come in that are calling me. And I mean, I said I will bring it. If there's not support, then maybe you'll need to come in. I just feel like if we had them registering and had names that they still have the right to go out and do that, they did and Centerville's dropped. We have nothing. But other cities are really amping up. It's because of the Kirby lawsuit. So most of the solicitor ordinances were deemed um unlawful and discriminatory. And so when Mayor Demer, he was an attorney and he was the mayor. Um and so rather than get sued by Kirby, we u repealed our solicitor permit ordinance.

Well, I've still been holding them to it. When they come to my door and I don't want to talk to them, I just go, "Oh, it doesn't look like you have your badge." So no way listening. I I I would be interested to know if they were obviously threatened uh emotionally or physically. I mean somebody just trying to make a sale that you know but if they start putting their foot in the door and

well that's we have no I mean I just thought it might be nice if they did have to register so we knew who was in our neighborhood and then if you've got somebody doing it that's not really a salesman they don't have that around. It's whatever anybody wants. My other thing is both Farmington and Cisville Leighton Leighton is already passed an ordinance about not letting the crypto machines in their in their city and I think Farmington is really close to passing the same thing and are we interested in looking at that and trying to protect some of the people that have really lost a lot of money by being scammed with those

um well the police department's already asked me to look into that And so I'm doing some research. The Leighton ordinance has some legal concerns because they say we are outright banning these and you need to remove them in 60 days. So um I had the intern do some research and I just need to review the case law that she's doing. But I also mentioned to the chief I'm going to my Utah municipal attorneys conference this uh tomorrow if I remember to wake up. Um and so I was just going to ask around and see we've talked about it a little what other

you could maybe ask about those both those issues and see if there's Yeah. I I'm familiar with Leighton one that they sent out uh the Leighton police chief sent it out to every police chief in the state. So, um, anyway, okay, those were the only So, again, just get clarifying so we're not wishy-washy. We're not going to bring anything back to council about those two items right now, but Lisa will do a little bit of leg work and Well, I didn't hear any interest in resurrecting the solicitor, but I just want I want clear direction. I I am already looking into the uh crypto machines. We have three, I believe, in Centerville. So, and the police department really would like to adopt that ordinance. So,

what are these crypto machines? Um, you go and I think either you could deposit your money into your crypto account. So, scammers are using those to get their funds now that you go to the cryptocurrency ATMs and you deposit your money into crypto and then that's how they're paying their scammers. And even though there's signs all over the place, people are still falling for these scams. So you I can take a $100, put it into this into a crypto wallet, Bitcoin, and that's mine. What What is the We're giving to the scammer's wallet. We're putting it in the scammer. It's being used for criminal purposes to pay off your phone, but and

Okay. So if it's criminal, then it should not be. But should not should there not be an option to have a machine that isn't in that vein? Okay. Well, let's not go too much into a discussion, right? So the question is let's uh let's at least go back. So I think we're interested in crypto. Uh I'm I'm like your interpretation B. Uh I'm not don't know that they're against soliciting but it's I would like to personally I'm speak I'll just speak for me like to none of us except for you have had concerns and I I don't know how many people and uh if they don't feel comfortable coming

I'll just tell people to come in and that way I'll call them and see or even I can talk to them you know see what uh what their fear is. I mean, I I don't want people to feel like their life's in danger or something like that, but absolutely not been threatened. Right. Right. Absolutely. I think it would help to have more details about what was the what aggressive how that was interpreted just to just to better understand just to better understand how we can help,

right? And do we want to know who is in our neighborhoods going doortodoor? I mean, that's that's the comfort it gives you is to know. Well, I think that would be really nice. I just I found that even when we when I saw a few licenses, probably nine out of 10 didn't have them. So, I don't it's not going to stop them from coming in. Except if I call and complain, they can stop and ask their name. I mean, if I call in and say, "I just had this guy to my house." The police can go, they can take ID, but if we don't, too. They can't if there's if they haven't done anything wrong, they can't just do it go up after him.

I don't know. So, do you get complaints from Well, this is probably not You probably don't want to go further into it. I'll talk to the police chief and see if he gets any complaints and I will talk to these people. I've got to remember the one lady's name who the guy tried to come in the house. I'll remember it. Yeah, I'd like to know what happened to sounds more like a criminal issue than Yeah. Well, she was the one that called and asked me what our rules were and I don't think we have any. you cannot enter the home,

right? But but she's just saying, you know, how come they're not having badges? How come we've got these people being dropped off? And you have a lot of people from other states that bring vans of people in and drop them off and you do not know who is in our city. So if something happens and they're here and they're gone, we don't know. But if they have to go in and get a tag, we know who those people are if something were to happen in our city. But that's Anyway, that's enough on that. I don't care one way or the other. Can I bring up just one? I I got a phone call from a guy, you wouldn't give me his last name, Robert. I think I think it's the guy who we've had problems with, chief. But, uh, he said that we ought to be aware that it's, uh, that the police department ought to be required to get a search warrant to review the flux cameras. Uh, they shouldn't be able to just review it for anything. There ought to be a search warrant. And that some city and the state got in trouble for doing that. I'm just bringing it up. I I didn't give much credibility to this, but uh, Okay.

All right. Thank you. Uh I'm going to just kind of hit one thing, two things really quick. Uh really shorten what I have since it's 11:00. Uh I can report more on it later. League of City and Towns. I think the most relevant things I went to was the dos and don'ts of impact fees. uh talked to uh Brent and I uh talked on that and so I went to that in advance and he and I will talk further about potentially our impact fees updating those. And I also went to an interesting one on transportation utility fees. Uh I'm not sure from the session why you would want to do those. Uh but I sat next to Katie

Katie Katie Wit who did it when she was mayor of Kisville and I was saying how'd that go for you? She says that was rough. You know all I could see is hey if we're going to measure how much traffic maybe it'll make people quit having Amazon come to their home and they can they can go to our stores and we can get sales tax that way you know. So anyway, yeah, I I just I just I wasn't too certain about those. But uh the other interesting one was the general speaker. He was a historian, and I thought I don't know what he would cost, but it sure would be great to have a little gathering with America 250 uh with him, but I don't know what that would cost, you know, but

he's on the University of Utah, so I think you'd be okay. UVU, isn't he? Yeah, he was UV. Let's find out. So maybe maybe other cities would go in on it. The ride at Baltimore 1812. So we went through and he was pretty animated. It was awesome. Yeah, it was. It was really good. That'd be awesome. Were you next to me, Brad? I says, man, did any does it has Baltimore always had crime? I mean, what goods come out of Baltimore other than Francis Scott Keys national, you know, Star Spangle. You talking about I said the wire, Edgar Allan Poe. There's a lot to come out of Baltimore from there. Yeah, Brooks Robinson liked him. But but that that was intriguing. He did he did a fabulous job.

Yeah. I won't get into any others that we have there, but uh right now. But the other thing I would ask of you is um if any of you want me to consider any names to replace our Fourth of July chairs because they're on their third year and they're not going to go another year. I'd like to integrate somebody uh as soon as possible. We thought we had maybe had a name, but but then Wendy used her for something else. So, I can go to my list of stuff, but if anybody knows a person or a couple that would be really good to do that for three years, please in the next couple days. So, it's a three-year commitment or

generally is I mean, we don't have a set time on it, but and I kind of understand what the what is to be done but is there some like aptitude or uh I mean obviously managerial organizational skills is that typically what we're looking for yeah they got to be positive and happy and upbeat and love America last two co-chairs one of them was pretty good at the entertainment side so almost that feels like so one of them being big on the entertainment is helpful okay

so I have I have names I can go to, but I thought, well, I just denied as as I was driving here. I thought if the council uh wants to get me some names, great. I'd just say do it in the next couple days because I'd like to get somebody asked and have them have a a couple months of shadowing. Yeah. Uhhuh. So, if we don't, that's fine. We've done it after the fact before, but it would be nice. Mhm. So, and so that's all I have for you. So, uh, I'll stop it at that to Brent. Any Oh, other qu questions for me. Brent, city manager report. All right. Thank you, mayor and council. Uh, Mike, can you briefly come up and talk about water? Just briefly.

Uh, I've asked Mike just to come up because we're getting starting to get some complaints of people watering before the the the 15th and Uhhuh. Um, so I thought Mike come talk about how we're enforcing some of It is true. We are getting complaints. That's perfect right there. So, I do have a couple things since how you asked me to say a couple things. Thanks.

So, one thing we do need to get Do Creek to come and get an excavation permit out just so that you guys are all aware because you have a lot of citizens that contact you, but we need to have them take their permit out with us. So we have an emergency contact and we can kind of keep going in the areas so that we can do public education as people call in we can refer them to the right people. So I do got to get with Robert on that make sure that transpires because that is important to us and they get on the main roads they will have to do traffic control on that. So but I've not seen a permit from them yet. So, couple things on that one. And then what we've been doing on the with, you know, the late start to Weaver Basin and and Dual Creek Water is we have done four posts that we've kicked out. We haven't done quite as much as I would have liked to have done, but we have we are aware of it and moving forward with it. Uh, a couple things that have transpired and our guys are happening for people with cross connections. That would be if you took your irrigation and plumbed it into your culinary and turned it on. That's a direct cross connection which is a violation of the city. So our guys have been watching that. They've had one or two that they've told the people they need to discontinue it. So we are watching for that. It's pretty easy to to spot. So if they're watering through their sprinkling system right now, guaranteed that's cross connection. So anyhow, that's something we've always done. That's not a new thing. So, our big push is going to be in the fall. We felt like the spring wasn't so bad, but the fall is going to be our big part. Starting probably mid August, we'll do a lot of campaigning, getting it out there that, you know, if it's culinary water you're using, it's still the same as if it's irrigation water. Irigation water, we can turn to culinary water. If the water's gone, we can't get it back, basically. So, if you irrigate, I mean, it defeats the purpose more or less is

what I'm trying to say. So we want to educate people not to defeat the purpose of why we're trying to save water. I don't think people realize the strategy that we were basing and uh does with a lot of it is you know they do got to have so much emergency water in their storage tank. So if they're reservoirs more or less it's because you you get down so far they could say no no more we're not watering at all period. So they do have safety zones that they have inside the reservoir. So, they do keep a good track on what we can use and what we can't use. You know, I I got to be totally honest. I uh of course I haven't watered at all yet, but with the rain, my lawn looks as good as it ever has. And the other thing I did is took one step for the company that I use for uh fertilizing my lawns. I had them put the dormant spray on it or the spray that you have to use less water. I'm trying that one out to see how that works. So there's many things that people can do to to, you know, save the water because to me, if we have one more dry year, where will we be? You know, we won't be watering our lawns at all, period. So anyhow, that's all I got.

Yeah. And my wife is one that sees somebody watering and she gets pretty fired up and wants to go knock on the door and and so I I feel the frustrations from a lot of the residents when we see it, but we don't know the circumstance and we can't go out monitoring all of them, but if it's egregious, for sure let us know. Mike and his guys can go check it out. Um, but I mean, we're now a week or so away. So, um, but the fall is going to be the big deal. So, I just wanted to have Mike come to do that. Uh, UCMA and league, the mayor touched on it. We attended a I think a few sessions together like we we were on different rows. I didn't know we was in the uh transportation utility fee. Um the impact fee was great. Uh the UCMA conferences talked a lot about essentially negotiations and conflict resolution. Those were some great sessions. Um I really enjoyed I won't go into a lot of detail right now, but those items will come up as we go forward. Mayor and Council Bank or Plumber and I can talk about what we learned in those sessions when we when we get to them. Um, last thing I just want to recognize Jennifer who earned her certified municipal clerk's certification this past uh week. So, congratulations to her. It's a big deal. How many years you've been working on it? Five years she's been working on the certification. So, it's a big deal from the international what are they called?

International Institute of Municipal Clerks. Yeah, the international people. So, it's the big deal national accreditation. So, well, great job. Thank you. Way to go. You can record anywhere in the world. Yeah, that's right. Way to go. Marketable now. So, good job, Jennifer. Really appreciate you and your efforts to to do all that. And that's all I have unless there's questions for me. All right. Uh I will ask for a motion to adjurnn then. So moved. All right. Uh second. Second. All in favor?