City Council - Regular Meeting

Okay, go ahead. We want to welcome everyone to the Centerville City Council meeting being held here on January 20th, 2026 at Centerville City Hall. Uh we welcome uh anybody that's joined by Zoom, anybody that's in attendance, uh staff, council members. Uh um we had a previous work session with our uh elected delegation uh four of our two senators and two representatives represent us and we had three of the four uh here with us and it was a very productive meeting. Uh let's do a roll call and make sure we can conduct business tonight. Mikum present. Bangader present. Heman present. Hurst present.

Plameumber present. All five council members present. Thank you uh council members for being here tonight. We'll start with a legislative prayer thought from councilwoman Gina Hurst.

Thank you very much. Um I'm sure that many of you know that Gary Hill is the city manager at Bountiful City. He also serves in a church capacity that um sometimes runs alongside my husband's church responsibilities. And he sent this text out last night to several um stakes through several of the cities along the Wasatch Front. I wanted to share it if you're of a religious nature. Um I think there are some things that we can do with this concern, but if you're all right, I let me read it and then um I'll explain a little bit more. Some of you might know I work as the city manager for Bountiful City. The city's water director also lives in our stake. We are concerned about the critical lack of snow in our mountains this winter. The Bountiful City Water Department reports that we have only 8 in of snow at the peak and are below the lowest point on record for this time of year. To add to that, the snow pack we have is already melting. The city's water treatment plant is seeing more than double the normal amount of runoff for this time of year. I am pl I plan to invite the members of the bountiful south stake to hold a special fast on February 1st to ask the Lord to bless us with snow and a change of weather. We believe that the Lord can do all things, but that we must sometimes humbly ask for his help. We would be grateful if any of you choose to join us. Please feel no obligation. I'm certain that each of you have many priorities on your mind. Um, the reason that I wanted to bring that up is I think it is easy to sometimes forget because of planning by people that came before us and built incredible water storage that we do live in a desert and this drought um this year is particularly bad. So, I guess what I am saying is I wanted you to be aware of what um what is being asked of the churches and I I'd like to actually get this out to the other churches in our community, which I'll take the responsibility to do, but as city council members, I thought it would be

helpful. I know that there's power in praying together as a community for the things that we need. And with that, I'd like to offer a prayer. Our dear kind father in heaven, we are so grateful for the many blessings that thou has bestowed upon us. We're grateful for this opportunity that we have to live in this community that we have wonderful staff, first responders, and others who care for this community as their own. We're grateful for the many people that live here and take care of each other. We ask thee, Father, at this time for a blessing upon us this evening that we'll be able to have the guidance and help in making decisions for our city. We also ask thee if thou will consider bringing us snow pack that we need so that we can make it through the summer. We know that thou can do all things and we ask thee for that now. We say these things in the name of Jesus Christ. Amen. Amen.

Thank you. Thank you, Councilman Hurst. If you if you could get that out to me for sure by next Tuesday because I'm meeting with the new pastor over here at the Absolutely. Yeah. next Tuesday morning. Uh and of course uh re Reverend Pancrretz is the resident of our city too at the church in the west side. So thank you. If you'd all rise with me and repeat the pledge. I aliance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands. One nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.

Uh now it's the open session. This is the opportunity for any member of the public to come up and uh speak what's on their mind. uh as I've tried to do for the last bit uh these are things that we may or uh address later we cannot address at this meeting other than maybe asking answering a simple question because uh it's the public has not been made aware of it in following our open meetings act from two weeks ago. So that session is now open. If anybody has is so inclined to speak just state your name and where you're from. Seeing nobody uh here uh is there anybody online? Seeing nobody online, we will move on from the open session. Our first business item is uh relates to a city property acquisition, the Hillside Property uh from the Utah State Rifle and Pistol Association. And um I just want to give Brent and Lisa an opportunity to fill in more of what in addition to you had in your packet.

Sure. Absolutely. Thank you, Mr. Mayor.

Uh so approximately a year ago when we were meeting with the uh Centerville Small Arms Association to discuss the renewal of the lease, Larry Scandlin had had kind of taken over as the president temporarily. Um, and Larry and I had the opportunity to meet and discuss and he had mentioned there's some property that the Utah State Rifle Utah State Rifle and Pistol Association owns up there next to the um the parking for the trail head uh on its way up to the gun range of 89 acres and he had expressed interest in letting go of that property. We didn't discuss specifics at the time. I did some research to determine the meats and bounds and if there's any interest of the city acquire it. So some time passed and ultimately um Larry and I reconnected on this issue and he is interested in donating this parcel of land 089 acres to the city. So what before you is the only request he had was helping cover the property taxes for the upcoming year. So ultimately we we had of a verbal agreement and what's in the agreement here the quick claim deed is $100 to acquire this property. Uh currently we are in the process of conducting a phase one assessment which we we do for our due diligence in in all properties we acquire to understand if there's any contaminations we need to worry about. So that is ongoing right now but the hope is staff recommends approval of this um this acquisition or accepting of this donation pending the outcome of the phase one assessment coming back clean. If there are any challenges with that, then we'll need to have a separate conversation. But we anticipate we won't have any issues with this one.

Any anything I miss, Lisa? Okay, Brandon, I'm curious. Does that $100 in cover the entirety of their property taxes or are we just helping? $60 is what the what Larry had shared with me is the property taxes for this year. So ultimately I I propose 100 just if there's any change in there or any cost then we we'll we'll take care of that. Any questions for uh Brent or Lisa on this? Any concerns on uh with this stipulation

with with the with the exception of the environmental you know potential issues. Do you have does anyone on staff have any other concerns about that property? No, no concerns. Okay. Um, can I ask a clarified question with regard to the environmental assessment and title work coming back as acceptable? I believe that that's what acceptable by city attorney by city staff by who? Acceptable to whom? Uh, we'll make a city attorney for funsies. Yeah, we I'll be looking at the title work. I'm just basically going ultimately it would be Kevin Campbell who reviews it and and gives his recommendation. Okay, great.

Yeah. And if there's any red flags, we will bring those back to the right. Okay. And Larry is fully aware of this conversation tonight. Um he's he's not available but agrees with that. So, we'll wait for the phase one assessment to come back before we sign and accept a donation. But a lot of property up there are subject to various easements. Sometimes they're blanket easements, but again um to me that would still be acceptable um when we're getting property donated to us, right? It's currently outside of uh city boundaries. Is that something that we're going to consider changing or maintaining?

Oh, it's adjacent to our 160 acres. We haven't really thought I mean it's not an issue if we wanted to consider bringing that in city boundaries. Um we we could I guess we haven't really thought that far ahead yet. I I do think just from what I've heard from people in the community um this access to our mountain side seems to be a priority and for that reason I think this is a really um generous donation and also a a good one from the fact that it helps us to continue to maintain that people can access the open space.

Right. Thank you. Uh there are no further questions. Uh I'll look for a motion on this. I move that we accept donation of 0.0 of 0.89 89 acres of hillside property from the Utah State Rifle and Pistol Association consisting of parcel number 02-051-00004 conditioned upon staff review of environmental assessment and title work prior to final acceptance with an authorization granted to Mayor Wilkinson to sign recording documents if environmental assessment and title work are acceptable to staff. I'll second.

Thank you. A motion to second. Further discussion. Councilwoman Mikum will take a vote from you to the right. I I I I I

Thank you. That motion passed unanimously. Five to zero. Okay. Let's go to uh business item number two. This is city council uh appointments to boards and committees. And um that that was sent out to you beforehand. But let me give you some uh thought process on this and also uh uh some suggestion or what our resolutions say uh uh before I get into the a lot of details on it. First off, any of our committees and boards remember that uh if you're appointed to it that you are you are a liaison. You're not a voting member. Okay. They're just like us. They they have uh seven person committee or board. They do a chair and a vice chair. They vote. Uh we are we are there to be of assistance and guides to them. Uh and uh you get to be like me when you go to those meetings where you don't get to vote. Okay. Uh but we definitely want that guidance uh from uh city uh from the city forum. We also have a staff uh appointed. Generally, it's a staff that relates to what they're doing like uh uh we'll put uh Mike with Parks and Rex and Bruce with Streets. Oh, sorry. Vice versa. But uh we try and get a staff member that's uh knows knows what they're doing as well too uh with them. So, so just be be supportive. you know, uh, remember that, uh, you're not necessarily influencing policy there, uh, as much as as you as you do here when you vote. Um, so that's number one. Number two on this list is um uh

all of these are uh I I suggest and and you approve other than centerville uh city council mayor prom that mayor prom is actually I've suggested counciloman but that is uh I've just gone through who know who has done it and who hasn't uh and that is actually something that the council determines who they want to be the mayor pro Tim. So, I guess you could uh put up nominations potentially for another one if uh uh in addition the council will meet them. So, but uh that that's what I put down. Okay. Um number three, uh you'll notice uh a glaring uh admission from Landmarks Commission. Okay. Where I've not assigned anybody there. Um let me just say with landmarks commission uh it has its purpose. Uh it's been very active years ago but for the last four years the six members that that or seven members I had the landmarks commission uh have really not had to anything to do. Landmarks commission uh was was they were doing historical programs for our city. They were approving uh state historical buildings. The legislature requires that you have some sort of board to do that. It can be either be like a landmarks commission or it can be the city council that can do that. Now, uh, I had a member of the Whitaker Museum come back to me that works with Lisa on the, uh, grants and she had had got wind that uh, I was uh, well, I was going to talk about this and she seemed to be fine. They were going to structure their grants to the as if there potentially wasn't a landmarks commission. You know,

one thing a boss told me years ago, he said, "You got to have things for people to do at the end of the day when Friday afternoon comes, if they don't feel fulfilled in their job, uh, they're going to leave it." So, unless I I I can be persuaded personally, but this isn't my decision. It's you guys as council, but me personally, I mean, that was a big thing for me. And and if I I need to when I ask somebody to serve on a a committee or a board or commission that know that uh they're they're going to feel that they have something to do. So I just see some uh um some o overcrossing there. If it if I had it my way, I'd rename the Whitaker to something like the his historic Whitaker and historical homes board or something like that, you know, and and combine those two together. So that's why you don't see anything lands commission. But I also realize that just as the tree board was put in since I've been mayor uh and you vote for that, that's a decision and discussion we have as council too. That's not something I can do. And so obviously that discussion is now open to you. um if we uh determine that we are keeping the landmarks commission then I'm going to have to uh appoint somebody else to that and I'm also going to have to review the members we have it. So that's my thought process. Hopefully you could see why why I'm thinking that way. I'm not trying to persuade you one way or another. Uh I know my feeling on it but that that's my thought process on it. Um, and so, um, uh, I would look for some some some some thought from you as well too on that, you know, because I I want to make sure you understand what you're voting for before we vote on this whole thing. So, any thoughts?

Can I on that or anything else I brought up? Can I just ask who's been on the landmarks commission from the council? I have. Do you have any input, any feeling, Brian, from your service or?

Well, I believe that it it does serve a good purpose for the city. It identifies those places in our community that have uh historic significance and then can go through a process that will place that on a national register. That that is something that preserves our history and our our community. And so I think that it is something that is uh worthy of of keeping. Now can it be um made better or we had always talked about a closer relationship with uh the Whitaker um board uh when we were on the the commission. it was uh it seemed like our our goals and our missions kind of went parallel with each other. So I think that would be something that would be uh to consider as we we talk about it is uh I don't think uh the added uh work from the landmarks commission would add too much to the Whitaker although that may be out of something that I don't actually have a lot of experience with because the Whitaker does have a lot of uh activities and things that they do out throughout the year and adding one more or a couple more things that they need to do would maybe require a larger board or a larger or more people to serve at that particular place. But I I think that it I had actually requested to be on this as you know mayor uh because I would like to see it brought back in some form.

Thank you for the input. Government other thoughts. I mean, yeah, I want to hear to hear your thoughts. It's

um I can see both sides. Uh I wasn't assigned to it, but I attended it for somebody else for a while. Uh council member that couldn't make it, and it was when we were doing Ron Randall's gas station. So, it was the Landmarks Commission that took that on. um they got a grant and then they you know have somebody do all the research with that grant and they bring it back and then it's submitted to the state and he was made a historic site which I thought was very important because there's a lot of people that really care about that gas station. Um there are houses I was there when one house was done and I was a little but in others have been really good. So, I'd like to see it carried on if we're going to take it to the Whitaker that we still try and get that grant and we still pick one every year. The other problem was you meet, you pick Ron's gas station and then there's really not a lot to do until this person who is um hired to do the work comes back, they present to you and you say yes and you send it to the state. So, as the mayor said, there's not a lot of work to be done. So, I'm hoping that the Whitaker Museum will be able to take that on and get the grant and and continue to do what was happening because there wasn't a lot of of work for the landmarks commission. It was, you know, two or three really good meetings a year was really about the only work that they had. From from my perspective, having been uh the liaison to the Whitaker for the last two years, there's a terrific group of people that really care about the history of Centerville, that feels like a good fit for me. I mean, I'd certainly want to talk to them to make sure that they are comfortable doing that. But all the people that I worked with, I think would

be terrific at taking on that that type of a role.

One question I have, Mr. Mayor, with the landmarks commission. when you designate a historic building, what's the role of the city in maintaining that designation? And and I asked that because if we're really trying to preserve and the city wants to get involved in in protecting and preserving our history, then are there ordinances or codes we should put in place? And in the city of Yuma, we are very strict about the designations we had. We had different historic districts throughout the city, but you had certain certain aesthetic that you had to maintain to maintain your historic status. You couldn't come in. If you wanted to change your roof, you had to get approval for this design review commission to review anything you want to do with your property, whether it's outside or inside. That's how serious Yuma took, you know, this this landmark commission idea of historic building. Just calling it historic is one thing, but is the city wanting to take on a greater role to preserve that historic nature or can anybody come in and buy it and then change it because we don't have any codes. So that's I'm just saying if you're going all in on it, then that's kind of where you start have to go is saying we really want to protect it and we're going to make it really strict for you to make any changes to your home.

So that that was some of the people's concern when they I mean we just met willy-nilly and we picked you know Rick Bangader's house and we we did this you know we went to him and said we're we're hiring somebody to do this and their first thing is are you going to tell me what to do? are you going to? And so people don't you won't have people that will put their houses on it because obviously people don't want their property rights taken away from them. And so I think we would just do ourselves a disservice because the houses that we were trying to preserve just some of the historic stories and the I mean one of the houses I know I was really surprised they did it had a huge addition that was less than attractive. Um, and so but that was the thing. Yes, you can do my house, but don't try and tell me what I can or cannot do.

Exactly. So that's what's great. I mean, we can look and recognize the history history, but at the same time, how far do we want to go as a city in preserving or protecting that history? That's what you have to say. And that is the balance of private property versus what we have done here as putting something on the national register. When we proposed on the landmarks commission the historic district, it was very much um discussed and we came to the conclusion that we wanted to make the the development or the uh design guide design for that area more guidelines than rules. And maybe that was something that um is something that we have looked at for these uh individual parcels as well is that that we can provide guidelines for these uh historic places. but trying to assert some sort of um ordinance or or rules as to how they can change their property is kind of a governmental still do whatever they want but you still tried to say like we encourage you to keep it like this

in order in order to encourage that we have implemented um I think if I'm right on this mic but we've in I said it right the first time now it can't come um implemented the an incentive so that there's uh fee fee reductions and stuff. If you do live in the historic district and you are going to do a remodel, there are fee reductions with the city in our uh building permits and stuff if you do it the keeps it that way. So, we have tried to do an incentive with that which I feel like is good. It still gives people their choice, but there is a little bit of an incentive, a little bit of a push to try and keep it more.

I guess that's where I'd argue with that the landmarks commission really has value if you're really trying to implement or maintain or monitor any changes. I I again just from my perspective I think Whitaker could I mean if they were willing to could handle national registry type things and encourage I don't think it's a lot but if we wanted to as a city take it to another step and have these districts and make design standards of what you can and can't do then for sure a volunteer committee or board would be very helpful in helping guide that. Um and that is one thing that they did was the historic district that was you know very beneficial to the city.

Yeah. The one thing I have concerned about with what my proposal is is can the Whitaker vote on something that we find uh it's a historical house or does it have to be us? And the reason I bring that up is Whitaker is our only committee or board that allows non Centerville residents to be on their board. Okay. And so there there are two non-Centerville vote residents on the Whitaker Museum board that so if if if they can't vote on it, even though they might be finding the older houses and the registry, we would be voting on that and that would be fine. But I I uh I thought about that ju just this week that uh um that we do have that Whitaker does allow and we have right now one from Farmington, one from Bountiful on the board that's not a Centerville resident. So

it seems like that could be quickly resolved though if they just become a recommending body to us and it cuts a lot of the work out for the city council to go ahead and confirm their recommendation. Yeah. So that's the purpose and I will say since I've been here there has been one that uh the mayor and I if I could speak for you mayor sorry that we were kind of surprised about that something was added to the national register and we had no knowledge of it and neither did the council have knowledge of that and that's

many of these boards are advisory or recommending bodies and I I think that's really the intent of Whitaker as well and so there needs to be a little bit better communication between the two um I should sorry not Whitaker but landmarks commission that should have been and it was a recommending this and that register you as a council approve and say yeah let's go for it but we we didn't see that in our in our meetings which I don't know if you were on the board at the time but probably was but again I just think the council should have been notified of of that recommendation but yeah we see it and go ahead and sign here it's like wait what are we signing here so this was a recent one this was about 5 years ago yeah it's been a long it was the it was the gas station I think it could have been Ron Randles that purposely done

and I did not that was purposely done. Is that what you said? So it was purposely done being wrong. I mean it's it's purpose but again is that violating the intent of the border commission and recommending as a recommending body to the council whether it was purposely done or not it really shouldn't been the process taking at least outlined for the process. Sorry. So, Robin, this would assignment would default to you as the recommended uh museum board member. Are you comfortable with that and the workload it might be upon you?

Yeah, I just want to make sure that it's okay with the Whitaker Museum. I don't want to put I don't want to speak for them because I've never been on it. I've never met with them. You know, if we talk to them and they say, "Whoa, we've got more than we can handle. We don't want anymore." Then I think we need to respect that. But also, they're the ones who benefit. The one of the big reasons why we have landmarks is the CLG grant and they're the ones who benefit from the CLG grant. And will it mess it up not to have the landmarks and the Whitaker? Do we need both of those in order to get that grant? No.

No. You just need you need one historic one organization or committee that recognizes the history of a city. And and again, as as Council Member Plumber stated, they're kind of prepar they're crossing over. they're doing similar goals and objectives um that I think they kind of align perfectly with each other and again they benefit from the the money we get from the state when we do get the grant. So just putting a little effort to get that free money I guess. So I mean we're not asking for a lot unless this council wants to go bigger with the historic side then we might need a landmarks commission to step in to help. Well, I I think that there are a a few places that I can I just think of off the top of my head that have kind of uh they they need to be identified and uh recognized by the National Register here in the next few years so that we can we can have them recognized and at least preserved in the best way that a property owner would care to do so. And so I think that it would be important to get this going as soon as possible. And if it means uh just maybe uh restructuring the Whitaker or the Landmarks Commission underneath that umbrella, that might be a a way to do so.

Okay. So for the time being, like I said, I don't uh have anybody pointed to that. Um, I guess I'm I'm I'm if you're not prepared to say yes, this is the direction we're going to go tonight, fine. Uh, but I want to get right on it within by next meeting, make that that that determination. Um, if you feel as the chair of uh, Whitaker, you want to talk to them, like I said, I had a couple of them approach me to know how they should write their grant and, uh, I said, "Yeah, I'm thinking about doing it, but council has to prove it, you know." So uh so I don't know whether uh what is it fair to say that uh we don't take a vote then on on dissol dissolving landmark combining them and deny it or are you you ready to take a vote?

I'd be ready to include that in the in the motion to approve these appointments. But does that impact you wanting to go and ask them how they feel. I think maybe we should I think we should pass all of these but leave that so that they at least feel like they were consulted before. That's what I'm worried about. I would like to hurt to have that conversation. I just think they'd be more of a buy in if they're asked upfront than told what it's going to be. And I think it will require ordinance amendments and we haven't really noticed this as a specific item on our agenda. So I think it would be best not to do

you know but if want to give staff direction to start looking into that but we will need to amend both our municipal code and our zoning code because the duties at the landmark commission are in the zoning code but referenced in our municipal code. Okay. Do you want to get back with that on the legalist? Do you want to talk to Whitaker? I'm if you want me to talk with you with them as well too to let me know. up to. Yeah. Let let me know how that goes and then we'll prepare some ordinance amendments that way. Sort of making the landmarks commission a subcommittee of so that they have all duties that the land the current landmark commission. We're just going to put that in there as basically additional authority.

I think so. Yeah, that's that makes sense.

Okay. Thanks. Let me bring up two other things. Okay. I did something unique this time around uh in that I did uh shared responsibilities on two uh items or two boards committees whatever we want to call them. Uh I have Council Member Banger and myself on Chamber of Commerce and I have um Councilwoman Hurst and Councilman Plameumber on parks and wreck uh committee. Reason I did that is both of us are interested in uh economic development chamber stuff and and parks and recck in the m middle of a parks and recck master plan and and I know councilwoman uh hur's been involved with that and councilman plumber uh uh we could get him going as well too and and maybe it takes a little burden off of uh uh myself and councilman Hurst as well too with with assigning her the South Davis Rec District, which is an ongoing uh difficult assignment. Uh that's the one I struggle with the most. Um and um that's that's what I I proposed. Uh myself uh because I'm not sharing anything this year out outside of here. I'm not chairing the fire board. I'm not chairing uh COG. I'm not chairing waste management. I did take on a couple more responsibilities. uh through COG with appointments to what's with Wasatch Front Regional Council, which I've had never done before, but I thought uh I probably need to stay involved. I'm what's going on in that side to bring back to you guys. And so so I've taken a couple more things there as well, too. But so I think I've covered uh everything that I wanted to bring up. So, questions from you uh on any of

this. I I do think there is um let me make sure. Never mind. There's not. I thought I saw a typo, but there's not. Apologize. Just checking. Robin, how do you feel about being prom? I'm fully supportive, but I want to make sure you're okay with it before we just I'm fine with it. Coach in. Oh, I'm fine with it. Fantastic. You'll be great. Appreciate the mayor having the Can I confidence to do it? No, go ahead. Sure. Can I just ask on a clarification on the numbers here? Performing arts center, Gina, it shows that you started there on 116, 2018. Is that the correct date? Okay.

No, that was probably just a typo. So, I'll tell you exactly what that is because I have the sheet. uh I crossed out Mayor Clark Wilkinson and that's when I started uh on there and so that's why that's in there and I didn't correct it. So I'll I'll fix Thanks for pointing that out. I was going to say I don't know that I have been on the performing I don't know that I've been on that control board. I might have been one of the non representatives before.

Uh you were not on it. We had myself, we had Councilman Summer Hayes, we had Councilwoman Haymon and Council uh woman Mikum on it before. Now here we have Hurst the plumbers as the city representatives and Haymon and Bangader as the RDA representative. Are those voting position positions, mayor?

They are. Uhhuh. uh one and I thought about keeping myself on it but I'm also which is not part of this it's outside of this uh on the Centerpoint Theater board and the things that you're going to that you'll vote on I I vote on a lot of times as a member of the board there as well too. So it just gives you as RDA members more opportunities to vote. Um, and technically, uh, you guys are directors of the of the board of the RDA board and and I'm not, uh, a director of the RDA board just like or voting director like you guys are. So, that's why I went that direction.

Okay. So, you'll fix that date on that, Jennifer. Any other typos, dates? Uh, good, good pick up. Councilman Banger, can I ask I mean it does say that the current term expiration you it was probably a 4-year term, but I I my term will end before 2030. And so there was a couple areas where it shows that my term will end. Oh, no. You've been involuntarily extended. I see. I see. which is it was 28 a couple of times and it's 2030 on a a couple areas as well. So just

I think those are those are four-year terms. Uh if you don't run again or uh uh you know I lose in an election then it would obviously reappoint it. Exactly. Very good. I'll just go with that. This list generally comes back to the council every two years anyways to get updated. So it does. So if if you don't rerun for council and somebody else fills that position, we just change the date. Very good. So other than that, I I actually appreciate the mayor for taking the time and consideration with my thoughts and suggestions. I appreciate it.

Yeah, I think I covered anything. Did I miss anything? Looks great. Any more questions? So, I guess this is what we It's a resolution 2026-01, first resolution for the year. So, I guess we're looking for a a motion on it. Uh, are we okay, uh, Lisa on because there they include Mayor Prom with it.

Uh, I think if they approve that as part of the resolution, you know, you can state that in your motion, including the appointment of the mayor. Okay. I I can make a motion that we approve resolution number 2026-01 as well as um that we appoint Robin, council member Robin Mikum as the mayor prom. Second. A motion is second. Uh further discussion.

I do have one thing, Jennifer. There is another date that's a mistake. Um, my appointment to the South Davis Sewer Board. Um, I'm not sure that that was 2024-02. I was appointed in like November of 2022 or possibly this resolution number. You mean to which? Yeah. South Davis. Yeah. So, that date of 2121 that's not that was probably your predecessors, huh? Uh, well, the predecessor was my dad. Yeah. And he was on it for 26 years. So, I don't know when his date was, but it was a long time ago.

But, um, I think it was November of 22 or I think it was I'm pretty sure it was November of 22. And then you did another about the starting date for that appointment. I I Well, I Yeah, I think it's I think it the starting date was 22. So, and that is a I think I think they I know the city does the resolution. I think that's what they planned on too. Were you failing a term or was it did that term start in 21?

I think they reappointed me. I think they reappointed me at the expiration of that term, but I'll have to check. Okay, we can look into that. So, you you just wanted you want me to double check on your first appointed date. Is that right? Or the Yeah, I know that 2121 is not right because I wasn't on city council in 21. Okay. I started in 22. I know that date's not right, but I think it was I there's there's probably I know we talked about it in like there was an action in city council, but I would guess around October or November. Okay.

Your present term on that did start though in 24. Is that is that correct on there? Yeah, I think so. Yeah, that looks like a correct because it that would have been your reappointed. So maybe the resolution's okay. It's just that original date. I don't know that it's that s I don't know that that's that significant but maybe helpful to the mayor from I don't think I changed that one. I think that was what was on there before. Resolution 2022-28 appointing Gina Hurst to the South Davis Sewer District Board of Trustees for the remainder of DC Hansen's four-year term commencing on February 1, 2021 and concluding on January 2, 2024.

We must have date wrong though because she she didn't come in till 22. Wow. Yeah, that's Oh, yeah. That's true. Is it Well, this was passed on Yeah. November 15th, 2022. So, I think what that's saying is his term Oh, that's what I was trying to say. You were taking over that 2021. So let's yeah let's update that to you were initially appointed on November 15, 2022 by but we're not referencing the 2022 28 resolution because you were reappointed by the Yes. Yes. Yeah. I I'm sorry. Yeah, that resolution number November 15th and that's just the first appointed date and we're leaving the resolution the same. Yes. Right. Okay.

Okay. I can double check the 2024 but I think that's right, Lisa. Thank you. I'm sorry that was obnoxious. You remember November. That's You guys did a great job finding that. All right. No further discussion. All in favor? I I

opposed. Great. Thank you. All right. Let's move on. Uh minutes for review and approval of the January 6, 2026 city council minutes. Uh um I I was going to ask uh if if some of you have changes uh Councilman Bangader has passed some changes that he's suggesting along to you that you want to go over these with them. I passed out a sheet to each of you. I've got one more copy here, Jennifer. I don't think we had quite enough. I have an extra We gave Okay, you had I shared it with her. Okay, there you go.

I somehow got two. Okay, council members, I'll just identify a few things here based on the agenda item lined the first in our open session, we had a presentation by Heather Taylor. I would just like that we include her actual written and submitted suggestions uh as an attachment to those official minutes. They weren't even they weren't read. She they're referred to. I just like them as part of the official record. uh the open and public's meetings training and I just want to identify that was a twoline item on our on our submit uh draft notes here. We talked for an hour and over well over an hour and I I'm concerned I'll identify again about uh the statute that identifies that we should be providing reasonable specificity on our agendas and that we should be providing uh substantive documentation on anything discussed in a council meeting. I I think we can improve a little on that. I you know my position I think uh we can be too careful with brevity and exclude some of the transparency some of the public information. I don't see a drawback to having minutes a little bit longer. I think with with AI, you can have that generated initially and done so quickly tell it so many words and then of course that would need to be edited and approved and and corrected. But I don't want to unload suggest this and have Jennifer think she's going to take hours upon hours more to make our minutes perhaps a little more inclusive. But I I think uh we can improve. I I have some

property in Kisville. Looking at the minutes of their meetings, comparing them with several compared to Centerville, most of the minutes on their meetings, and I've got the copies here if you wanted to look at them, but our are like in their three-hour meeting, the minutes were 24 pages long and 17 pages in another. We had a three-hour meeting was two pages. Uh we and then in their shorter meetings had a five five page minutes of of a 45minute meeting. We had a 45 minute meeting and it was two pages as well. I just other cities are providing a little more documentation for the official. I know we have the recordings. I'd love Jennifer even orient you to the the number of minutes in that recording, but I think official is pretty critical. I I think that uh it's helpful. And so enough of my soap box on that. With that being said, on that particular item, I would like to include the comments of a particular question that was referred to in those minutes. It just says and minutes and questions were addressed. uh this was a particularly uh informative point and and at least three of us commented regarding that. I've documented that here from from uh the second paragraph in red. I I I would recommend that we I don't know I don't think I need to read it to you, right? You've got it there in front of you. Or should I for the record? I don't know.

It's okay.

Okay. The third one on minutes. I'd like to make a clarification and please I need some direction here council to be accurate and clarify on the one point when we seconded the motion was seconded and it's identified in our notes that it passed unanimously 5 to zero. Accurately it passed four to zero which and I am supportive but but council member Bangader abstained. I did not vote because the mayor didn't ask for a roll call vote. He asked for a a vote by voice and I didn't say yay when we can that point. I didn't say nay because I was planning on abstaining because I wasn't at the meeting that we were passing. Actually, I was at the meeting but I wasn't participatory. I wasn't an official member of the council. So, I felt uncomfortable approving minutes voting to do that when I had no participation in that meeting. Uh, so I just like that to be clarified. Just easy passed 40 instead of 50 with my abstension. Uh, but I realize I made a mistake by not identifying I was abstaining before the vote. And I I don't know. And then as it ended, we moved quickly onto the other one. I'm kind of like, you know, dear in the headlights and I didn't didn't correct that. But that's my point. And then as you see in my black writing there, uh I welcome some direction on protocol regarding whether or not a council member should vote if that council member was not present nor participatory in a meeting for which official meeting minutes are being approved. Lisa, do you have some direction on that?

Yes, the members of the board can approve the minutes whether you were there or not. Um, I see your hesitancy when you weren't, you know, officially sworn in or, you know, just sworn in, but you are now on the council on this board. And so, yes, you can because you're just administratively approving the minutes. So, sometimes people will say, "Hey, I want to abstain. I wasn't at that meeting." No, we actually prefer that you vote on the minutes. You know, the the minutes show that you weren't there, but you can you can approve them as a body because we need a quorum to approve them. I was gonna say, how do you approve them if you don't if you weren't there and you don't know what was sent?

But but you still let's consider on the flip side when the three of you ran if you were all new people, we wouldn't have a quarantine to approve the minutes, right? So I think I agree with Lisa that that that's why and I do think it's also I I mean you're not approving rather you agreed with anything either. I mean you're just saying accurate. I just didn't know. Yeah, you are. I have always seen people Your opinion that it's accurate. I've always seen people abstain from them before said, "Oh, I wasn't here last week or I wasn't." I mean, I've seen that a lot. I just like I said,

as well, but I I have She's not the only one that's directed and said, "No, it's it's okay if you weren't there." I mean, I feel like if I've missed a meeting, I'm typically going back and listening to the recording anyway. So, that doesn't make me terribly uncomfortable because if you've listened to the meeting and the minutes Yeah. As long as you've listened to the meeting.

So, I I mean I I get I do get what you're saying. I I get it's a little awkward, but I I think that the the issue is there could be a problem in you know, if we had three brand new council members come on, we don't have a quorum to approve them ever. I appreciate council beggar and asking least their opinion on this though because uh I don't I don't vote here but on the other boards I'm on uh it would if when I'm approving minutes it's always a yeah a yay or nay vote. Uh it's not a roll call vote and and I have always abstained if I've missed the meeting just thinking how can I vote on these if I wasn't at that meeting. So So you would have don't mention on the record that you've abstained. There's no record of the abstain. That's true.

Right. you need to if you are abstaining from the vote and if the mayor doesn't you know because usually minutes are all in favor I you know any opposed at that point you know none opposed but I mayor I'd like to observe but to what Gina has said we would have the mayor so if we only had to he could step in and vote on that yeah that's true but only in the high yeah it's it's the body's minutes and anyway technically yes you're now performing this body's business and part of the business is approving the minutes. Okay. Okay. Okay. And if you're uncomfortable, you know, go back and listen to it. And I like that. So, you know,

that's a good idea. Yeah. Um and if you're extremely uncomfortable, you can abstain, but it's not really correct procedure. Yeah.

Okay. On appointments, again, it was just noted the the specific appointment. We did have some discussion on that because I'd asked for some clarification how that works. I really liked how the mayor identified how he does that and and in our campaign stuff people were asking how do you get involved? How do you how do you be become a member of a committee or whatnot? I kind of like that being in our official minutes. I can point his explanation to people who are interested and that's helpful to me. So that's I I do want one clarification regarding that. Uh so so when a when a citizen applies and sends an application in for a position, mayor, is it only your eyes who that's who that's allowed to see that?

Uh with Bamboo, it's changed a little bit. Who Jennifer sees it? Who else? Goes to me and Bryce and then I forward it to you. Yeah. So

I just wonder when the council are the ones who approve it. We you have shared their the one that you're going to appoint, but we have no idea if there were five others that one of which might have been a really good choice in our opinion. There there's no or we can't say oh so and so applied for planning commission. Man, I'm on the Whitaker Museum and you know mayor didn't appoint him there. I'd like to reach out to him and have him try for Whitaker. I just I see some utility to the members of the council who appoint them who vote to appoint them having some some access to the applications.

Yeah. I um obviously when those come in um uh I'll look at each each one. Uh sometimes there's not spots available for what they might be interested in. Sometimes I will call them and say, "Hey, there's not a spot available here." But uh there's uh spot available on another committee. Um sometimes I'm not always great at getting back to them. I'm telling them six months later saying, "Hey, there's a spot available." And I notice your volunteer application. I do keep uh I move them all to a separate file. Volunteers is what I call it. Uh so I can boom go to that that at any time. And there's been sometimes in the past that somebody's applying for something and uh they don't qualify for it, you know. I mean,

sure. Uh I've interviewed somebody for something and uh there's just there's just no way that uh they'll work for that position. So try and find them something else or so. No, you're not seeing every every application that comes forward. Um, and you you what you get is what after I've interviewed somebody and uh feel if they're a good candidate and I give bring it to you to put on a city council agenda.

I don't remember when I first was first put on, but I know they used to give us every so often we would get like a stack of the applications. I don't know. I don't I can't I don't I don't have my

Do you remember like at least I mean did they used to give them out to the C? I don't remember. I just remember going home with a stack of applications and looking over them and I don't seem like somebody said well that way if you know somebody and you think they'd be good you'd let them to know to the mayor or if you know a reason they shouldn't be you'd let the mayor know before he had asked them but I can't remember exactly. And I think this is why we were trying to make a distinction about voting for the mayor prom, which is clearly a vote um and a decision of the city council versus these appointments. And I'm just talking about city committees, not the ones by resolution for those, but it's um the mayor suggests the person that he would like for that position and then it's with the advice and consent of the council. So, in my opinion, technically the mayor doesn't have to send all of these. Certainly, if that's something internally, this city wants to prepare a protocol or something that you can see who you know has applied. These are public records. I mean, you you can find that out, but I I don't think that it's necessary um or required under the mayor's authority for this this process.

I I tend to feel like that is under the mayor's purview. Um, just in the we have various roles, right? And I I feel like that is the mayor's job to appoint and bring those. I I appreciate that he brings them to us for confirmation, but I I do feel like that's his role. Like I said, I didn't have it one way or the other. just remember getting these and I do remember we had one controversial the it I think that happened after we had somebody that was and it wasn't with this mayor they were brought to us and there was a couple council members that are like I'm not comfortable with this but at that point it was pretty awkward and that's why he sent us our names first so that's taken care of that we don't we're not just you know

like I sent you one today uh for two weeks from now for um um trails, you know, and I try and get them in advance at least enough in advance like agenda in advance because it's on the agenda or even before that. So, uh I can get some feedback from it. But if I don't get any feedback, then I'm hoping to cross my fingers that you're going to approve uh the name I bring forward. I think you've done a great job. So

I just you understand my point though maybe without looking at their whole application if we're we're maybe aware that these three people in the last six months have applied for planning commissioner I it might be it might be helpful to us I've suggested to some people to to uh volunteer for some committees through this campaign and they've asked for opportunity I've suggested some opportunities. I'm a little embarrassed to to not know whether they did and being a member of the council suggesting they do it and then six months from now they say I applied I didn't get appointed. I understand that okay but I didn't even know about it. I'm sorry I asked you and and please know that it was given I it's just I there's an little awkwardness and so I I I totally appreciate it's the mayor's appointment. It's his job and then we approve or

I don't approve but and and obviously personality dependent, right? But I I get what you're saying like you go out and solicit some help and then you want to maybe I I have found that the people that I've asked for like I've said, "Hey, have you ever thought about applying for this?" They're pretty vocal with me after and say, "Hey, I applied for that." So, I think you'll find that if they put the application in, they'll probably tell you, but I I do agree that could be personality type, may not. But,

um, I typically and I usually if I know someone's going to apply, I tell the mayor. I'll say, "Hey, I think so and so is going to apply for this committee." So, I think I I don't know. I'm I'm fine with however it needs to be done, but I

Okay. Well, and I'm sorry we got a little off of the minutes themselves uh approval, but that was that bit of a discussion. But then the last one would just be uh when Brent was talking about our our overnight possibility of a council retreat. Uh and Councilman Mum kind of be up to you, but I threw in there I I would have included that there was some reservation as identified there from from her. So, do any of you other well have any questions about my suggested additions?

So, so I'm fine with the additions of course, but um I I do think um so I'm an engineer as you know and I probably fought for more detail on these minutes too as well. But what I what I discovered in that so I'm just I'm pushing back a little bit not because I think the discussion these points aren't important but um sometimes I found that it like sometimes still details were missed or you know it's not a verbatim minutes and so for example I'm just looking at the one where it says you know council member can voice some concerns and reservations but we don't necessarily address that were other council members fine with the retreat you know what I mean miss

you miss context is what I'm concerned about. So my opinion on the minutes is what is what really matters in the minutes is what the vote was right was the resolution passed was the ordinance passed and by what margin you know who who approved it who desented um so for me I've kind of come to the conclusion that because we do have the recorded meeting it really is better for people to go listen to it so they can come to their own conclusion I just found when we were doing them a little more detailed that sometimes I felt like context was left out of the minutes. How do we do these now? Is this an AI program that is summarizing this?

I I use AI to help me draft the minutes, but it's a team effort between me and AI. So, yes. Yeah. Yeah.

I I I'm not opposed to more detail. I just that is I found that constantly I was like saying well we left out this somebody said this or that and I'm and I'm thinking to myself sometimes a sentence or two does not convey the 90 minutes of public frustration on an issue. You know I I that's where I'm just I'm just saying devil's advocate. I'm not opposed to what you're saying. Maybe we can come to agreement on these tonight, but I would like to uh if not now in some a quick work work session to know what our recorders trained to do at her sessions that she goes to.

Okay. And what we're required by law to have in our minutes. Uh um I could see uh I could see Rick's feeding it uh some and I could say you're feeling as well too because you start singling out individual council members and what Robins or council member Meekum said about something. What about somebody else that uh was okay? Well, yeah. And so some I know they're all aware they can watch the video, but but this would allude to I feel like this alludes to okay well they must not have done it because of this but I'm going I don't know that we got everybody's opinion in there. So

cuz I want to know if there's any law for meeting the law number one and uh and we send her to trainings. So she could tell Seth or Brent and Lisa could probably help as well too what we're covering out uh in meeting the requirements of the law. And then outside of that uh what do we want to include more than that? You know I mean minutes by itself means it's minutes. It's not the four hours we spent. It's minutes of those four hours. So here the the statute says I've got it right here.

Okay. It says including the substance of all matters proposed, discussed or decided by the public body after substantiating the vote and the discussion. It that's what the statute says. So to just do what it what the resolution was in the vote if there was any discussion that seems non-compliant with the statute. And I haven't looked at Cesville minutes that he just referenced to, but I know that the four or five other committees I serve on uh ours ours are as detailed or more detailed than any other committees I serve on with Integrated Waste Management, the fire board and all those as well too. So,

and I do understand some some minutes, some cities are going to go the extra mile, some are going to be shorter. I know there's a there can be a happy ground in between. And that's and with that said, I I think that including especially in areas like uh where we have uh the open session and people have written material that they provide us. I think that that we cannot see that on the video. I agree. And so I think that is important to include into the minutes and and the agent or the minutes.

And I do agree. Um, I I don't know what protocol is, so I want to ask Lisa's opinion on that. But actually, I did feel that way, too. I do think that it would be nice to have those attachments to the minutes just because then it's really easy to go back to that meeting and go, "Oh, here's here's instead of shuffling through my papers and trying, was it this one or was it is it in an email?" So, but what's the protocol on that, Lisa? Can you kind of I I mean I we've got to we've got to lean to what you're you know what you think if we're meeting the standard or not and where we've gone too far or not.

Yeah. I think some of these are the decision of the body. Um I think the statutes do say though that if somebody brings some digital information and provides it to us then we need to include that as part of the record. Um, so but we don't consistently attach a bunch of stuff to our minutes because then they're going to get very lengthy and it's again it's a summary of the business that we conducted. And so I'm not saying that we haven't like and I think uh council member Bangador has brought up that the statute also says any other information that a board member or council member requests be included in the minutes. But again the minutes are to reflect the substance in brief of what occurred which is not a verbatim of all the attachments that we get requested to be included in our minutes is so I again it's up to the body but I would not suggest doing that as a matter of course with every meeting that we get handouts because our minutes are not going to be reflective of you know our business. With respect to the specific one about including some attachments, obviously some public members of the public could go way overboard. I saw a city that had in their directions for their public comment session, they said city council strongly recommends that you present a not more than onepage typed outline or synopsis of what you wish to present. Now, all people aren't going to be able to do that because they don't come prepared before the meeting, but I liked that idea just limiting the amount uh of of what they might wish to be included. Frankly, it helps them organize their outline, what they when they come and speak to the council, maybe minimize the time they're at the podium. And uh so I think there are ways to mitigate the

concern about how lengthy it might be. And I guess there's two public comments. I was thinking about the open session because I think the the handout that we're talking about was provided in the open session versus uh public comment at a public hearing or an item on the agenda that's responsive to an application. We do encourage written comments that do become part of the record. So I I agree with that. I was just referring to accepting all open session printouts would be burdomsome.

Okay. And I I will just say we've talked a lot about this the uh you know that in the last year I have been at the rostroom a number of times with with comments and on some occasions I did hand out a written one of them was four pages. I remember that was over there. But I was when it was when a synopsis of that appeared in the official minutes, I I identified five items and that three of no two of those were covered and three were not included in the uh in the uh official minutes. Uh I will be honest with you, I felt censored. I don't want other members of our public to feel like what they commented it was it was pick and chose and what was what was identified in the official minutes that were approved by the city. So just understand that perspective coming from from personal experience and my strong desire not to have residents in the future feel that way.

All right. So, uh, any other changes to the minutes besides what Councilman Banger proposed? Well,

can I can I just ask for a clarification? I have a couple things and and you as a body are welcome to accept or not these minutes or amend them as they've been presented or anything, but if you are inclined to include Council Member Bangader's suggestions, my question would be, do you want me to include them word for word as you've submitted them or if you would give me the flexibility to still try to encapsulate these comments but maybe change some of the wording. Like I'm just noticing a few of these are really long sentences and if you'd be if you just trust me to maybe try to summarize but still include the comments that were made

please. So that's my first question and then second what do you want to do about the minutes vote? Because like le Lisa said we don't have on record that you abstained. So do you want me to make that change that you abstained or are we leaving it as is? I just want to clarify. What I recommended was crossing out that approved unanimously and including uh the explanation, but but at least I don't know if that's legal because I didn't abstain officially. Yeah, I guess and the point the fact of the matter is I would have and I do I don't have any problem with those minutes.

I just want to be accurate. Yeah, I think for the first one, I mean perhaps in the minutes we could just say um council member Mang Bangader did not vote this being his first meeting or something like that. So because it wasn't an abstension I mean just you did not vote.

I would I would agree with that that to keep it in based on the facts you did not abstain that you did not vote. I would agree with that change. I would I'm a little uncomfortable with number five uh because there was um other council members, myself included, that was not necessarily um u expressing any reservations. And so I would I I don't know if I feel comfortable with singling one council member out and their particular stance on that issue.

May I May I propose with that? I agree it I don't I'm a little hesitant to have this singly out council members how they feel because you are essentially censoring to use your terms uh council member Banger if you're saying this councilor said this but what did the other four say and we're not doing that the minutes could read as such as there was a debate that council members were in support and council members were and the discussion was about that but you're not singling out but the minutes could capture that discussion without saying that and so if it's possible prop I delay I would say delay these minutes and give Jennifer an opportunity to try and capture the debate a little bit more without singling out one idea or one person's thoughts and and not mentioning

that is exactly my concern about this because I do think it makes it somewhat political and I don't think that minutes should it just should it I I'm going back to what Lisa is saying it should encapsulate the decisions that were made on the items and that to me is covered. I'm I'm looking at some of the other C's minutes as we're having this discussion and I'm not seeing I I mean Kesville might have longer minutes, but we're not out of line and I'm really worried that this changes the when we miss the context of what everyone said, we run the risk that we have not conveyed the correct message. And I do want to I do want to um Rick to your point that you felt censored. You were not censored. You we let you speak and that was where it was recorded was in that recorded session. I I don't think we do have to include every single thing you put in your written document. I still have that document in my folder. And so I just respectfully I don't think you were at all censored. You were given all of the time that you needed to express your concerns. So, I think we need to convey that to the public that they do get to come and talk. I think that the mayor has been very good about that level of transparency and allowing people to come in here and to state their concerns. And I've seen public meetings where they cut you off after two minutes or you have to get in line and hope you can get a chance to say something. So, I don't think that I think that is really not a fair statement to say that you were censored. I didn't say I was censored. I said I felt censored.

Well, but but you weren't because you I mean I I get what you're saying, but I you weren't you were given every opportunity to present.

So, I don't vote on these, but I would make a suggestion then. So, we can uh I personally see that one and three there's valid points. Like I'm not saying there's not valid points in 2, four, and five either, but I think that extensive detail when we say we're we're just mentioning what one council person said, not everybody. And maybe uh like somebody suggested that Jennifer just go through and maybe try and capture the the feeling of what was said better than uh but I I started getting hesitant that bringing up every individual and and what they what was said and and not bringing up the other individuals. That's my

So, but you guys got to Can I make a Can I just make a motion that we table the minutes for now and let Jennifer take a look at it and see if there's some in between, get a little more detail, but with that direction that we don't necessarily want to state what every single council person said. Is that Can I make that motion? Do we need to move or can we just table with that direction? I don't care. I'm happy to second it. I think a motion table. I'll second. All right. Motion to second. Uh all in favor I I

I Okay. Um let's go move on to um there it is to appointments. Okay, I have one appointment for you tonight. This is Blair Parish uh who I sent you his volunteer uh application sheet to you to the Whitaker Museum board. We have a motion for uh that appointment. I'll make a motion to approve the appointment of Blair Parish to the Whitaker Museum Board.

Second. I'll give it to Gina. Sorry. I will I will I will defer. All in favor? I I opposed. All right, let's go. This is one of our quarters. We're halfway through the year. Uh and uh Nate Nate was waiting back there ready to to bring out some highlights uh for us. Um

mostly highlights, right? And and as I would point out, especially for Councilman Banger, if you haven't already heard me say this before, Nate does a good job at the city council a while back decided that he would present every quarter, but uh every month we would give you a report, but he does a great job whether he's reporting or not reporting of putting those boxes uh of some highlighted areas. uh and I always give you a chance even on those months he doesn't report to if you have any question for him but uh when he does report he not only has those but uh he has the he has the flexibility to bring up whatever else he wants. So Nate take it away.

Awesome. Thank you mayor. Good evening council. Uh so as mayor mentioned we're halfway through our fiscal year. Um and I think overall we're in pretty good shape. Um Jennifer, could you pull those up for us? Yeah. Sorry. Oh, thank you. Sorry, I can't connect to the TVs with this new computer. Um, so going on to the the next page. Sorry, I'm going to open this up in a different page.

Perfect. Uh, this is our cash position by fund. Um, just a couple items to note here. You'll see the big jump in cash in our general fund. Uh, that was in large part due uh to the fact that we got most of our uh property tax revenue in December. So that's why you see the big jump there. Uh and then last time I presented, uh I talked about the parks fund that we need 400,000 to cover our bond payment in that fund. We're at 238,000 right now, but I think we're in good shape to uh to reach that 400,000. Uh but we're still keeping an eye on that. All right, we can go to the next page uh and look at our uh general fund revenues. I'm sorry, the page after that. Uh, as I mentioned before, we got our majority of our property tax revenue, uh, 1.6 million last month. Um, just to note that in January, we've already received, I think it was 453,000. Uh, so we've received the vast majority of our property tax. The rest will trickle in uh through the remainder of the fiscal year. Uh looking at sales tax we are at

Was that because people pay in late just the county or state or whoever getting it to you is low? Uh no it's just the timing of when they pay it. Uh so property taxes are due in November. Uh so then we get the money the following month in December. Um but then if they don't make if they make a late payment in December then we won't get it until January and so forth. So, uh, the majority of what we get will for the remainder of the year will be So, you feel confident that the governmental money that's supposed to be getting you the money gets you the money? Yeah. They They're not holding on to it. It's because people pay late. Yeah. No, I I don't think they're holding on to it. I think because we want to come down if they're holding

Yeah. Yeah. No, I I think they're doing great. Nate, yes. On the sales tax, looks like we're sitting about 53% of what you anticipated. How does that compare to other years? I know you're very conservative about your estimates there. That's to me I'm going that's not a lot more than you know. I know you try to maybe conservatively underestimate just a hair.

Yeah. Um no, I think we're doing okay. Sales tax has been very uh I don't know if unpredictable is the right word, but um sporadic I guess. Uh some months we do a lot better than we did comparing to a year ago and other months we're way worse. Um and there's not really a rhyme or reason that we can figure out of why it's doing that. Um

now generally our biggest uh revenue month is pertains to the Black Friday Christmas shopping season which we won't get you know sales tax is two months behind. M um so to be over 50% through the year without hitting our biggest sales tax months is a good sign. Um last year I think we ended up at around 5.6 5.7 million if I remember right. Uh so I think we're right on track to do similar. Okay.

You just for budgeting and preparation. So we budget sales tax. I mean, historically, you've been able to increase it by 3% or so every year and feel comfortable with that number. Um, but during COVID with the influx of of all this COVID money, CARES Act money, all these payments people received, there was this huge spending at construction at Home Depot, Colonial, and people weren't taking trips because they weren't. So, we saw this huge jump. We went from like 4.8 to 5.7 million in one year, but all that spending. So now we can't really predict what it's so it's always been we've always been really conservative. So we've kept it at 5.5 million the last two years and that's going to be more than likely our proposal for next fiscal year again because we're not we don't want to take any in chances that it's not going up. So we're going to continue to remain conserved. So that's currently where we're at right now.

May I point out one aspect too? It's interesting how things affect our economy. The lack of snow in the Wasatch front this year. We have a major sales tax contributor in Young Powersports. They have sold almost zero snowmobiles. And now this far into the season without snow coming, they're scared to death about their revenue, their their inventory. And that's a things like just the weather can affect us dramatically. something we might want to plan a little conservatism for for this year with the impact of weather.

Um I have a question on um it says our I'm on the right line. It says our property taxes are at 222%. I don't I don't understand. I'm sure there's a reason why that's so high. the budget used. I see what you see where she's saying. Yeah. On the property taxes due. So those are the late payments of property taxes. So that would be property taxes that were due in a prior year uh that they have now paid. Um so those are a little hard to estimate the budget. It looks like you budgeted 50,000 but we've just received Okay. So those that's I couldn't figure out where they were but that's the past due ones.

Yeah, those are past due. All right. And then I had one other question. It was Oh, I'm concerned about Oh, no. I wanted to say I was happy to see that our courts our fines and our forefeertures are up at 58% because there for a while our court wasn't doing so well. So, I'm happy to see that that's Yeah. No. Yeah. They struggled for a couple years that the general fund was subsidizing the court. I'm glad we're not having to subsidize it.

Yeah, it is. It switched last year uh to able that they were able to put some money back into the general fund. Um and they're on track to do the same thing this year. So, yeah. Um overall revenues in the general fund, uh we're at 7.4 million. So, that's slightly higher than we were at this point last year. So, again, I think we're in a good spot. Uh going on to general fund expenses. Uh overall we are under budget. Uh just 47% of our budget spent. Um so again I think overall the general fund is in uh a really good spot right now.

May I ask um the trails committee's over what is Yeah, they bought a trailer. Oh that's right. Okay. Thank you. Yeah. put them over a little bit, but you'll see some some departments are higher than the 50% mark. That's those are the ones I've underlined, but none of them are over by a large dollar amount. Um, even the the trails committee is a big percentage because they have such a small budget, but the dollar amount is is fairly small. Do you have any concerns about like like for example those that are over can you look at it and go oh well there were these expenses and that's yeah I mean

I'm assuming community events is probably partially like Fourth of July was part of it and that's a big expense right at the front of the year. Yeah and that's what I was going to say is timing goes into it a lot. Um, so that's a great example that you have our biggest event of the year happens 3 4 days into our fiscal year. Um, so obviously they're going to be over the percentage wise, over budget for a little bit. Um, but yeah, so so like that we know what's going on. I'm not worried about it. I'm really not worried about any of these departments. They're all pretty online um and where they should be. So,

yeah. Um, go moving on to our RDA fund. Uh, just remind you that we'll receive uh the tax increment payments probably by the end of March, possibly the beginning of April. Um, so that's why our revenues are so low there. Uh, recreation fund, uh, both revenues and expenses are up a little bit from last year. And right now we have uh net income. Um so yeah, we'll keep watching that. Um but doing okay right now. Uh our wrap tax, uh you'll see that we've basically got equivalent from last year. We're up about $2,000 uh from this point last year. Uh again, those are reflective of only sales that occur in Centerville. Um, so it's good to see our our local businesses are, you know, doing about the same as they were last year, slightly better. Uh, going down to our parks improvement fund, um, we touched on this that we kind of had to put a pause on our, uh, spending. That's why our expenses are so low. Uh, we just want to make sure that we can cover that bond payment. And once we uh know that we're going to get that, then we'll uh see about doing some of the other projects. But uh we've kind of put those on pause for now to help our cash balance. Um our capital projects fund. Uh we've only spent again, these are onetime expenses, but we've only spent 39% so far. So I would expect to see uh the rest of those expenses coming in the second half of the year. uh transportation fund. Uh we are total revenue we're slightly higher than last year by about 50,000. So uh again a big

chunk of that is related to sales tax. So um yeah, we're doing great in the transportation fund. Uh going down to the water fund, uh the big news this quarter was that we got our first grant payment for the water tank, the Oakidge water tank. Um I also wanted to note that our so what you see there, the 141,000 that we got, that was our first reimbursement request. We have received a second one that we received in January. So that's why you don't see it reflected here. And then our third re reimbursement request is on the desk of the EPA. So, uh, we're getting our reimbursements. Uh, it's taking a little bit timewise, but they're coming in.

What's the lag on that? Like, how long was it from first request to this 141,000 being received? The first request wasn't bad. It's like a couple weeks probably. Had government shutdown. So, second request, we had the government shutdown. So, that was months. Yeah. But we're a little bit behind. And I think that's put them all behind. Uh, it's been a little confusing. Even on the first request, the training lied and then Nate had to get retrained, I guess. Yeah, they it lied. Huh. The training told me to re request it one way and I did and then they sent rejected it and said, "No, you did the way."

What What percentage complete are we on the like how much has been sp is this accurate? This this expenditures represents the three pay requests or is that that's probably more because it's other things besides the tank, right? Yeah, there's going to be other things besides the tank. Um it is a pretty good chunk of it. I think we're probably close to a million expenditures. Total expenditures if I had to guess. Getting close to Yeah.

50%. Okay. All right. Um, sanitation fund. Just wanted to point out that our uh the diversion rebate that we've been getting for recycling uh continues to do well. Uh so again, wanted to applaud all the Centerville residents who are recycling correctly because that gets us a good rebate which helps us keep our rate from increasing despite our uh service rate increases. So, uh, we appreciate that. Uh, then going onto our drainage, I just highlighted our that our operating revenues are exceeding our expenditures. Um, so we're doing good there and and trying to save up for some bigger projects in the future. Uh, so, mayor, that is all I have prepared.

Thank you, Nate. Any questions for Nate on that? Good report. Thanks for uh staying on top of all that. Thank you. All righty. Let's go to uh council report. It's council member Tman's turn. Thank you, Mayor. Uh I know I've taken grief for this in the past, but I am confident right now that there are no mosquitoes flying. I'm just going to say that. I swear I got a mosquito BITE ME. NO, I'M NOT KIDDING. I like where did that come from? Come on, man. It is so cold. I'm confident that they are all like dormant. You're breeding them in your home,

but I swear I've had allergies the last day or two, too. Um, on the mosquito abatement front, the one thing I just want to report on, so Gary Hatch is the executive director. He's actually been with the Davis Mosquito Abatement District since June of 1983. He's been there for almost 43 years. He is sadly retiring. I have never met anyone. Well, okay, to be fair, I have never met really anyone who is knowledgeable about mosquitoes, but I have certainly never met anyone who is as knowledgeable about mosquitoes and killing mosquitoes as Gary Hatch. He he's been with the board that he's been with mosquito, but not the not the head of it, the whole time.

Not the head of it, but he has been with that organization since June 1983. He is really incredible. He goes around the country. He speaks at the mosquito abatement conferences. Yes, there is such a thing where they get together and they talk about all the states on how to deal with these things. Anyway, he is retiring. I'm very sad. His last he's planning on his last day being April 1. We are interviewing for a new executive director. We've got some great applications. Um but I just I'm really really appreciative of all of the efforts and and being able to benefit from his knowledge. We I I I had no idea how much the mosquito abatement district did until I stepped onto their board. So, I have a new level appreciation for killing mosquitoes and I certainly respect the heck out of um Gary Hatch. So, that is that is my report. And if anyone finds mosquitoes, just squash them.

Is it the board that chooses the new executive director? Yep. Yep. All right. Uh, anybody have anything pressing? Mayor, I don't know where to report this, but is this the section I I just city council report. I just want to identify I was bombarded with residents on Sunday going to church about an issue we have on third east and third south. There's a there's a big dip in the in the rain gutter that not the rain gutter in the

street gutter where the asphalt's higher and buses and because the traffic's been diverted from 4 east that's where a lot of the traffic is going up there and there's been a lot of vehicle damage. There's a very unsightly sign warning people that I think the neighbor on the corner put up to say slow down, you know, protect your car or whatnot. I I I don't know there were a lot of people approached me Sunday. I felt really bad and I went over and looked at it and I know there's there's no do we have some signs, Mike, that we could put up, you know, caution, major bump ahead or something to mitigate that a little bit and then how long is that going to be the case?

I think it's anywhere you want to go south it Sunday. It was well the sign was open but but third third east was the street they were diverting on up to you it you know what I think he's right I it did the detour did move to I when I went along 400 east today it had moved south of quarter lane I I know what you're talking about though it was bad

just before Mike comes up um staff is aware of this we've met a number of times So, we are dealing with a number of claims as well. So, we're happy to get you any information you'd like, but Okay, that's the status. Okay, then it was exag um yes, having the detour go that way on the road with people that were not used to it was unfortunate. So, and even without a detour, that's that's an issue that hopefully we can improve that.

That's a big deal. I mean, if you really stop and think about it, if I could go out and fix everything that is a problem like that, we don't have enough funds, period. I mean, so it's kind of like we discussed in the meeting, you know, when we redo Third South, that will totally change. So when we rebuilt that, I can't remember when I said that was like 90. Do you remember what I said? It was 30 years.

About Yeah. 30 years ago, that was a standard. That's just how it was. So if we did it again, say we had on the project for this year, we would go in, take all the asphalt out, and totally redo it. And it'd be everything taken down, we go down to 2 and 1/2 in, 3 in, and it would be a flat smooth spot. But it's just bringing everything bringing up to standard as you move forward. As we do roads right now, we look at all the infrastructure that's in the ground and then from there we look at all the infrastructure above the ground, curb, gutter, sidewalk, what have you and we try to bring it totally up to our standard at this point. So the problem that I expressed to Brandt them I go it's like how do you go back and fix everything that's a problem in town? We would never have enough money to do so. And I agree with you that it's a problem. I sat there and watched the intersection, but the the in the beginning the uh road closure was set up to turn there. When we noticed a problem, we made them go down to Main Street. So, you turned off fourth east, you're supposed to go down to Main Street, get on to Main Street, and you totally avoided that.

But it wasn't that way the whole time. What's that? It wasn't that way the whole time. It was There was a detour at one point. Yeah, that's what I said. So, at the beginning, it was set up to go across Third East. Then we noticed a problem. We wanted to shut the gate, so to speak, and have them go all the way to Main Street. Ultimately, where we're where we are, Council Member Vader, is is if there's any information or claims or anybody wants to have conversation, it's a case by case. I mean, there's there's so many extenduating circumstances with that. Um, that again, if they submit a claim, then we'll review the case by case. But that's that's kind of where we are with this. if they call and they're missing anything, the nice neighbor has it all up there in his wheelbarrow out by the curb and they're welcome to go pick it up.

And Mike, I I do fully appreciate we have so many more problems than we can fix with our limited budget, but obviously we can also prioritize the worst ones to maybe address sooner. Budget forum, we got a budget coming up. We'll look at those kind of things. But I wondered if like I'm no engineer, but I wondered if it would be extremely expensive to redo the asphalt, lower the utility penetrations there. And and I totally get that, but is there something in a real serious one like that? Could we put a a metal cover across that the top of it? Well, our standard doesn't allow a metal cover. So,

yes, again, there's give us $3 million. Let's increased double property taxes and we'll fix all this stuff. I mean, not all of it. We'll we'll we'll knock out 10%. There there's just challenges all over and and there's certain level of risk that that's accepted, right? And but each claim is different whether if someone's zooming through there at 40 miles per hour when they shouldn't be, then there's going to be significant damage to their vehicle because they're not taking proper care. So again, it I would I would encourage us to somewhat move on from this conversation unless we want to have a conversation in close session to go in a little bit more deep. duly noted we have met as staff and we recognize that and that's what we've discussed as the standard and what was the history of this area but you see this not all over just you know you don't see it just in centerville you see it in many cities I was I was driving through many cities and I that you see these type of construction um and you have to take responsibility and care when you're especially going through a stop sign you shouldn't be zipping through and people are in a hurry because they have to be detourred and case by I mean, that's ultimately what we're at now. So, we get a claim, we look at it case by case and evaluate the principles of it. If you're it's going to be expensive to fix everything, whether it's water, you know, streets, parks,

we've got a lot. I don't admire what you have to do. In the old days, you just close down a road and people would have to find their way around it. Now, now you keep it uh open and try and do construction and let people through. I mean, we're we're a spoiled lot of people nowadays, you know. Uh we have perfect roads almost and and uh and I would say we do have, if you remember, council and council banger, you probably haven't seen it. We have a list that Kevin and Mike worked on putting together road projects and what what's coming down the pipeline. I mean, if you want to get that back out again, then it'll help people see what we have. What what and sidewalks. I mean,

yeah. Well, we have prioritized and the council says, "Yeah, makes sense." So, I'd probably just say one last thing and then I won't say anymore, but the thing is too is if that wasn't fun, good.

Okay, it was. Anyway, so the the bottom line is this. If we wouldn't have been doing anything on fourth west, we wouldn't even be talking about or excuse me, northeast, we wouldn't even be talking about it because the residents that you that use that and have used it over all these years know what's going on. And now we turn and floodgate open. All these people that are trying to I mean I've sat there and I watched and I go I I can't believe how fast they're going over that bump. I mean they don't even hit the stop sign on the FR site before they come through and they're zipping through. So the big thing is is the normal residents know exactly what's going on and have known what's going on for many times and we would never be talking about this other than we're doing the project

and appreciate the natural speed bump to some extent. Right. It is. It's a natural speed. I agree with that because I drive that road all the time. I could wouldn't have even told you because I know it's there and I just slow down. I mean because it's a road that I drive all the time and I just know it's there. So when everybody talks about it, I'm like, "Oh yeah, I do slow down right there." So that is the problem is that the local people that drive it all the time know it's there and they just slow down and you bring in people that don't. And they were going super fast. That would be happy if we closed it down or all the walkers on 30 East. They would love that if we just closed all the 30s. Saying I'm one of those.

Here we go. There's your alternative. That's why he's saying it because he knows I want 30s. Mike, really quickly while you're up here, just really quickly because I have had a lot of questions about this one, too. But is just remind me of the timeline. Is what is this supposed when is this uh construction supposed to end? And this is for the the Northeast project. Well, the whole project as a whole paved and done or just D creek irrigation having their dual creek irrigation portion of this.

Well, they're on they're heading down there should be I think maybe to six south probably by the end of the week. So, they're chugging along. They're moving good and then from there then we'll start coming in. We've got a a couple sewer lines that we're working with the sewer district to fix or we'll end up fixing them because we don't want to dig up the roads. One of them is the Jerry G the Gad Jeremy Gad address because it runs on a 45 and he's had problems. So we want to we're going to fix a few things but so northeast could we're going to see closures on northeast for

well and we take the learning lesson right so maybe to the point is you shut east down if when we come in and start doing the road work we'll probably just shut it down completely close the road other local traffic I mean we learn these lessons and we try to move forward with them so what what is the time frame on the reconstruction on 400 east well it depends that's a loaded question because depending on, you know, we haven't even gotten the contractor on board. The state's kind of giving us a little bit of a hard time because we might have to go out and and have a different engineer do the design work. So, there's a lot of things out there. I I think, you know, we're talking probably I I mean, I would hope that we're done by June, but I there's no way you could guarantee that one.

Okay. Okay. Thanks, Mike.

All right. Uh report. Uh thank you everybody that participated in the volunteer dinner. It was uh a nice dinner. Those that weren't able to come, we missed you. Uh a couple days after that, uh I went to an event that South Davis Metro Fire Service. They had a dinner, too. They were their annual awards dinner and uh uh that was a nice dinner. And it it it it had some somber moments too as I spoke about, you know, uh some losses they had during the year with an officer. Um uh um LPC uh that that'll start in earnest this coming Monday. Um uh Jane uh Councilwoman Hurst showed you a listing of kind of what we get each week. Uh, as I said before, uh, everybody's willing to listen to that. I think Brandt sent you the leak, the link. Um, parks and wreck openhouse. They had an open house last week. Um, I popped in near the end of it. Uh, that parks and recck board is very active. You're probably seeing signs around town. Was a little disappointed when they told me that only four residents showed up. Uh, I I I I want to be sensitive to what I'm going to say here, but uh it's another example of we advertise the heck out of something and until it's actually written and starts coming forth, that's when people then jump in. I I I just encourage our residents, anybody that may hear this, just to please get involved in the process uh at the early stages as well, too. We had eight volunteers here and four people showed up for something as important as that. And I was really grateful for those volunteers that were here. But uh

residents can still make comments. The the those parks and recck committee members took those signs out. They have them around the neighborhood. So tell people to click click on that Q uh QR QR code and uh get their comments in. Bruce, do you want to say something on it at all or are you good? There's one in my in front of my house.

Okay. So, their chance to to have input on our uh on our on our parks general plan. Uh local officials day is tomorrow and it's just going to be short. I'm going to pop down from 10 till after lunch for that. Um, I would remind you that in our community, uh, as I drove by the Episcopal church the other day and I'm meeting with the their new, uh, pastor next week, uh, that they continue to have the volunteer dinner on the third Wednesday and, uh, everyone's invited. They have a sign out that says that. So, that's a nice thing that they do for the city. And then, um, I will talk more about the chief, about this fire down here. I went by that morning, but uh all our officers were gone, both police and I went by about 9:00. They were there at 5 in the morning, I think, 5, six in the morning. They had four or five Paul Davis trucks there. Uh I didn't want to disturb the owner and what he might be going through, but I didn't see any of our officers there. So, uh, but we all were informed about that and thanks the chief for do foring Brandon and I and Brent to letting you guys know. So, I missed anything. Any questions for me?

Okay, Brent, city manager report.

Thanks, Mr. Mayor. I just have a few items. One is the reminder of the budget retreat dates for Wednesday and Thursday, March 18th and 19th. We'll start about 5:30 and go until you don't want to go anymore. So maybe 9:30, 10. Um, usually the first night's longer than the second night, but you never know how the conversations go, so be prepared for that. We did make an offer officially to a code enforcement officer, right, Mike? So we we had interviews. Honestly, we had some pretty great applicants. um the the individual hired um or offered the position to and accept it um understands the mission of really it's more of a code compliance and less of an enforcement and understands the goal of educating in fact has a lot of experience working with educating and working with uh people which we're really kind of excited about. Um so we'll introduce you to him later but I I'm pretty excited about him. So, Lisa, Mike, myself, and Dave Walk, but we're on the interview panel for that. Um, lastly, the general plan. I know you just got asked for this two weeks ago. Tomorrow or Thursday, I will we will have that ready for you. Chris has been working on it. So, uh, Council Miko, I think you wanted it in printed form. Is there anybody else who wants it in printed form? If not, I'll email it, too. Okay.

Both if possible. Both. But, get it printed and Oh, yeah. Yeah, for sure. I'll email it so you have it and then I'll I'll print off we'll print off a couple copies for you. So again to to mayor your mayor asked you to do is review that. I'll let you go through your mayor. I won't speak for you but the challenge the mayor put forth I guess to review it in depth when in preparation for our first meeting. Is that fair mayor? Did I say that right? Okay. Do we do we know when that will be on the agenda? Not yet. I I'm gonna the mayor I'll defer to you all when you're ready or when we want to have that on the agenda. Mayor, I can work on that.

I want to get be timely on it. I don't want to delay too long. Uh I almost said two weeks ago. I'm not going to have it come forth till we've all read it, but I'm not going to do that because I don't want anybody delaying on reading it. So, we'll bring it we'll bring it forth when it's correct to bring it forth, but we'll give you enough time to get through it all. And that's everything I have, Mr. Mayor, unless there's questions for me. Is it possible to find out when that's going to happen? Potent like a lot. Tell us what day you're gone and that's the day. Yeah. Okay. I'm just kidding. I I have people calling me every Tuesday or Monday saying, "Is it on today?" And I'm, you know, I'm like, I will let you know, but I

it it it finding out on Friday night is maybe a little It will be it will be before the Friday before Tuesday. Okay, that's all I need. It's just a little if we had it would be at the next meeting, but that'd be continued upon you all. I mean, we'll have to get with Chris and get his schedule, too. But as sooner than later, I I'd love to see in in next month in at least one of the meetings. Great. I I'll be ready. You just tell me. We need to start moving forward on that. Yeah.

Oh, and then um lastly, I Council Member Haymon sent an email update with John Ire's um question about that. Just update you all. Um the landscape ordinance that had been discussed that we worked on to discuss with Weaver Basin last year has been going through planning commission. They're in a third revision, but it had to take a little bit of a backseat as they focused on the general plan. So, that's still a priority for Mike and staff to and and the planning commission to bring something forward for consideration with water wise, landscaping, and those types of things. I don't want to go too much detail since it's not on the agenda. I just want to let you know, give you an update. It's being worked on and not forgotten. And that's all I have. Thank you, Brad. For real this time,

not aware of anything close session tonight. So unless there's uh something I've missed, then I'll look for a motion to journ.