Planning & Zoning - Regular Meeting

The meeting will come to order. There are agendas on the table till outside the meeting room. This is a public meeting for which public notice has been provided. The proceedings are being broadcast and recorded and can be viewed online on the city of Casper's YouTube channel. First, I'd like to read someformational statements about the meeting. Use of cell phones is not permitted and such phone shall be turned off or otherwise silenced during the planning and zoning meeting. When speaking to the planning and zoning commission, please clearly state your name and address. Keep remarks pertinent to the issue being considered by the planning and zoning commission. Do not repeat the same statements that were made by a previous speaker. Speak to the planning and zoning commission as you would like to be spoken to. Do not address applicants or other audience members directly. Make your comments at the podium and directed to the chairperson and planning and zoning commission. I would like to remind everyone president of the city of Casper Planning and Zoning Commission is a volunteer body composed of members of the Casper community appointed by the Casper City Council. The commission acts as a quasi judicial panel making final decisions on some items and recommendations to the city council on others as dictated by law. The commission may only consider evidence about any case as it relates to existing law. The commission cannot make or change planning or zoning laws, regulations, policies, or guidelines. I'd like to acknowledge that all members of the planning and commission are present tonight. The next item on the agenda is consideration of the minutes from the planning and zoning commission meeting held April 9th, 2026. Are there any connect additions or corrections to approve?

Motion to approve by Commissioner uh Rubble. Sorry. Second by Commissioner Hunter. Having this motion and a second. Is there any discussion? Uh no discussion. Please cast your vote. Please record the vote. With one member abstaining and the rest voting I. The motion carries.

Next will be the schedule public hearings. Before we get started, just reminder to all of this evening's applicants that it takes four affir affirmative votes to pass any item regardless of the number of commissioners present. If any applicant would like to postpone their case in anticipation of the possibility of more commissioners being present next month, which is unlikely, then I would ask you to speak up when your case is announced. Case number one, the first case tonight will be SUB-1054-2026 and ZOC-1053-2026 of vacation and replats of lots through four of the Rubsson Road edition to create the Rubsson Road edition number two located at 3346 Chuck Wagon Road. There's a companion item a request for a zone a change in zoning classification for proposed reps and road edition from AG urban egg to R31 to4 unit residential. The applicant is fairground plaza incorporated. Can we please get stash report this time?

Thank you Mr. Chairman. Um this is a new subdivision and reszone request for the development of nine acres at the corner of Trev and Robertson Road. Um, as of today, the final design of the subdivision is still being fine-tuned. Therefore, the applicant has requested a continuence to the June 11th, 2026 meeting to allow for additional time necessary for staff review and to present a revised and complete application to the planning and zoning commission. That's it. That's it. That's it.

Thank you, Craig. Does anyone on the commission have any questions for staff about the report? I imagine many of you in the audience are here for this particular case, but as you just heard, it's likely going to get um moved to the June 11th planning and zoning commission meeting. The chair calls for a motion to continue the public hearing for this for these cases to the June 11th, 2026 planning and zoning commission meeting. This discussion will occur after there is a motion and a second. I have a motion by Rubble, Commissioner Rubble, second by Commissioner Hunter. Have a motion and a second. Is there any discussion? There being no further discussion, we will now vote. Please cast your vote. Please record the vote.

With all members voting I, the motion carries. As you have heard, these cases will now be heard at the June 11th Planning and Zoning Commission meeting, and you're welcome to um come back at that time. And you're also free to leave, but you're welcome to stay.

Okay. Case number two, the second public hearing tonight will be for SP- 1060-2020 site plan review for the construction of a 45 44,590 foot addition to the Casper Ice Arena located at 1801 East 4th Street. The applicant is the city of Casper. Is the applicant present and do you wish to proceed? Someone has to represent the applicant. We please get stash report at this time.

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. The city is the applicant to con for the construction of an approximately 44,590 foot addition to the Casper Arena located within a larger city-owned recreational campus that includes the Casper Recreation Center and other public facilities. The property is zone PH park historic and public recreational facilities are permit permitted use uh under section 17562. The ice arena is part of a larger city-owned park and civic campus that includes the rec center and Casper Senior Center. The overall city-owned property encompasses approximately 100 acres with internal circulation and shared access between facilities. The proposed building addition expands seating capacity in a phased approach, ultimately providing space for up to 900 seats when fully built out. The proposal includes expansion of the existing building, associated parking improvements and modifications to internal circulation. The sub the submitted site plan establishes the general layout of the proposed development, including building placement, access points, parking areas, and pedestrian facilities. However, at the time of the staff report, several several elements of the site plan uh remain under review and are not fully resolved. These include, but are not limited to final engineering analysis including drainage and storm water, uh detailed traffic circulation and access control measures, pedestrian connectivity and ADA accommodations, uh utility conflicts and easement coordination, fire access marking, fire flow analysis and hydrant adequacy, and final landscaping, lighting and plan coordination across all sheets. These items are typical components of a complete site plan, but have not been fully addressed within the current submitt. As a result, the site plan set does not yet represent a fully finalized design suitable for construction. Rather than delay the project, staff is

recommending approval subject to a comprehensive list of seven recommended conditions. Final resolution of those outstanding items will be required prior to this being forwarded to council for approval. There were no public comments received. Um, as I stated, there's seven conditions uh attached under the recommendation se section of your staff reports. And I have five exhibits. A is the site plan application. B public notice. C legal notice sent to the Star Tribune. D uh photo of the public notice signed on the property. E memo to the chairperson and members of the planning and zoning commission. F supplemental info provided to the commission via email dated 51326 from Craig Collins, city planner. And with that, I'll be happy to answer any questions. Thank you for the report and the exhibits are noted. Does anyone on the commission have any preliminary questions for staff about the report? Commissioner St.

Yes, Mr. Chairman. I'd like to ask what is the purpose of submitting this site plan so early with so many conflicts. Staff always prefers to uh provide a complete picture for the planning commission. However, my understanding is that there are timing constraints with the construction of this project. So, the uh city would like to keep it moving forward um with the understanding that it won't receive final approval until those outstanding items are resolved. But help me understand, will it come back to us or will it just go straight to council once those seven conditions are met?

An easy way to think about it, Mr. Chairman, is um the plan uh is conditioning their approval. um what what's being requested is that you're we're conditioning the approval on them completing a comprehensive list of of outstanding requirements. Um and staff would ensure that those are being taken care of. So in a way it's it's transferring the um onus from the planning commission to staff to ensure that that is completed and then city council um approves via resolution. There's no public hearing. It's just a a formality. Um and uh they they have final approval ability.

I'm sorry. Correct. After staff is um uh conf confident that everything has been resolved um according to code. So the accountability is moving from the commission to the staff. That's what's being requested. Any further questions? Next, I would ask the applicant to come forward and explain their case.

Chairman Beamer and members of the commission, I am Jason Meyers. I'm with WLC Engineering here in Casper and I am the civil engineer for this project. Um the applicant has asked me to address some of the items that are conditioned for approval of uh this site plan. Um one of u first one being drainage study uh that was emailed to the city engineer this afternoon. I have uh spoken with the city engineer and along with this project there are several utility relocations that need to take place in this and those are going to be detailed in construction documents and given to the city engineer as part of our application of permit to construct. So as far as the utilities go uh that is going to get gone through with a fine tooth comb before anything happens on that stuff. Uh, one of the other items here that um, we've been in contact with Casper Fire Department. I It's my understanding that uh, one of the captains is recently retired and the gentleman that has taken over his spot is taking a little bit time to get up to speed with this. So, we're working through all that information with him as well as the mechan mechanical engineer for the fire protection system for the new building. So, uh, these items haven't been overlooked. There's just a timing issue with coordination with staff to get through all of these details to a point where it can be fully approved. Uh, as far as um, uh, well, one of the items here, easements and existing utilities. The existing utilities that we are aware of on this site are for power and fiber

optic. It is a city-owned property property. So, there are no easements for publicly owned utilities. Uh, coordination with uh Rocky Mountain Power, Black Hills Energy, and Communication. I don't know if you folks have ever dealt with those guys before, but it is a process to get through all that stuff. And once all of their facilities are located on site where they need them to be able to service this new building, at that point then that's when um new easements will be provided to them as well as the existing ones get abandoned. Um uh pedestrian connectivity and ADA compliance. Um I believe we've gotten through that. There may be a few more conversations um with staff to fully address them. Um there's a a sheet that was included with your package that has all of the signage and striping in it. Um it's pretty comprehensive. if you really want to dig into it, it's there for uh your review. But um there may be a few additional items that we need to work through with staff to u get those things taken care of. But um uh as far as the design team is concerned, uh we feel that pretty much there with just a couple other coordination items. So we would definitely appreciate u your guys' recommendation to move forward with this. Thank you. Mr. Myers, can you explain to the commission the urgency for this approved tonight and not waiting to present a more complete site plan to the commission next month?

Uh Commissioner Beamer, I don't believe I'm the one to speak to that. Um, I will defer that to um, Mr. Whip to address that. Oh, hey, Mr. Myers. You got other questions? Oh, sorry. Any other questions for Mr. Myers?

Mr. Myers, is um, in your experience, is Fourth Street going to be a big enough street to for that size of facility? Uh I I would we we did provide traffic impact uh numbers to the city engineer. Um from what I'm seeing on this, the peak ingress and eress this facility would more than likely be on weekends or practices on um weekday evenings. So being on weekends, um I'm not seeing a um huge impact to the traveling public as far as uh peak times like um early in the morning when people are going to work or in the evening when they're coming home. The peak for this facility will be on um off working hours, I guess you'd say.

Thank you. Any other questions for Mr. Myers? Yes, Mr. Chairman. Uh so you said that you did a traffic impact. Was a traffic study done? Uh no uh traffic study was not request. The numbers that we provided are from a publication um called the IT. What it does is it gives uh anticipated trip generations per hour based upon different times of uh the day and the type of facility that we're looking at. So, a full-blown traffic study of all the adjoining and adjacent streets has not been completed.

Thank you. I have another question, Mr. Chairman. You said the drainage study was submitted this afternoon to the city engineer. Correct. Yes. Okay. So, but it has not been approved yet. I'm going to assume that is correct. Yes. Thank you. Any further questions? Okay, Mr. Whips, I guess you could ask the question.

Hello, Commission. Uh, my first meeting. How would you like me to address you? Now, that is a loaded question. Um, ask Mr. Chairman if you'd like.

Okay, Mr. Chairman, Commission, thank you for having me. Um, I'll answer two questions. The first one being that um we've worked very closely with Liz and Craig's team as these conditions of approval have come up to the point where myself um Jason and then Tom who's here on teams went line by line of all of these conditions of approval and had a very comprehensive discussion about how we would meet those condition of approval um to the satisfaction ction of our planning and zoning folks. I will also say that a a lot of these conditions of approval um have already been resubmitted in a a new site plan. Um obviously that is not here presented to you today, but we've addressed a great majority of these conditions of of approval um with the the planning and zoning team. Now, once again, as far as timeline goes, um they need to review what we've addressed um in the site plan and with the questions that they have, but a great majority of those have been addressed and have been represented to our our planning and zoning team here with the city. The second thing um when we were talking about timeline, this project is a comprehensive public private partnership and there's a lot of moving parts tied to this timeline, specific to our our fundraising efforts, specific to some of the the city dollars that we have tied into this project and specific to the budget that we have um available to get this project done. And with that timeline, even pushing it out a month could jeopardize uh as we all

know, cost associated with major construction projects and our ability to um ensure that we have our funding in place to move this project forward. This project is when we're talking about timeline, it is it's very sensitive to phasing. Um, with this second sheet of ice, we are being very cognizant of not having major impacts to our user groups that are utilizing the current sheet. Um, especially in the busy season. So, a a lot of these timelines are are based off of uh phasing specific to what we're trying to accomplish while also working with our user groups. So, I would say it's it's twofold. First one being, if I'm being really really simple about it, the further we push this timeline back, the less opportunity we have to ensure that um our full funding package is in place. Um and trying to figure out an additional million dollars from a year from now is to this project because of costs associated with a big project like this. Um, it will be a challenge and um, back to my first point, I feel very confident in our partnership with PNZ, our partnership with Jason and Tom with HTG that we have addressed um, a lot of these conditions of approval. They just aren't in front of you today. Hopefully that helps.

Thank you, Mr. Whips. does help and I also have the utmost confidence in city staff to make sure that these conditions are addressed appropriately. Um but it is unusual for this type of site plan to come to the commission with these many conditions attached. Right. And I realize that. Anybody else have any questions for Mr. Whit? Yes. Has this contract been awarded? The contract for correct? No. How long is this project anticipated to take?

So based on our timeline, if um within that timeline, it'll take full to have a fully built out second sheet of ice with all the phases that we have available, it will be done in spring of 2028. And you said that there's still funding that needs to be raised and the site plan is contingent upon raising some funding.

The site plan in regard to our timeline um it's the funding is not contingent. What I am saying is the fundraising goals that we have and the current dollars that we have allocated, if we move back the timeline of this project, um we anticipate additional costs associated with the total uh cost of the project that uh we're we're on a how do I simply put this? Um we are anticipating a cost based off of um initial costs that were provided by HTG and um Samson and the further we push out the project the more it is going to cost and if if that makes sense. So, as I understand, you don't have a contractor. And so, is the site plan going to commence prior to the project being awarded? Can you explain that to me?

Chairman Beamer, members of the commission, uh I'm Zelma Lopez. I'm the parks and recck director uh for the city of Casper. So, uh, we do have a construction manager at risk on board and that is Samson Construction. And so, he is they are helping us to navigate all of the ins and outs of the cost estimate for the project as we complete construction drawing development. Um, and so I think what Nick was trying to say is is one, we're trying to uh limit how much uh inflation we're seeing in terms of pushing the project back, but probably more importantly to drive the timeline is the fact that we need to break ground in August in order to have the window of construction that works to have a minimum amount of impact to the current users, which our revenue venue generators for the facility. So if if we have to be closed for a portion of the construction during our busiest season, that costs the city a lot of money in terms of revenue that we're able to generate for the operation. So we're we're trying to plan the timeline for construction to have minimal impact during our busiest season, which is why there's the need to fasttrack to construction. So, it is our plan that if the planning and zoning commission should approve this to move forward to city council on June 2nd, once council approves the site plan, we would concurrently bid the project through Samson as well as work through final uh construction drawing review internally for the city with the intention to award a construction contract with a minimum uh or a maximum price through our Semar um in August and then be able break ground shortly thereafter.

Any further questions? There is uh work on a project that can happen prior to permitting as far as site prep and mobilization and a project this size that's going to be very considerable amount of work. And I'm trying to understand the purpose of this site plan needing to be approved when you have those items that you can do that expedite your project until this site plan is submitted as a complete site plan.

Commissioner, I'm not sure that I understand your question or your comment. What what items do you think we could do to expedite missing this component?

The purpose of the site plan coming now and not being complete is to expedite expedite work. Okay. You were saying the work is not going to start until August is what you had just said, but there's work that could be completed while this site plan is being completed is what I'm saying. There's there's prep, demolition, flat work, earth work, and those things that could that could commence now to help you with that. And while in concert, you're getting the site plan completed. And that's maybe more a comment than a question.

Commissioner, uh, unfortunately though, in that's not how it works. We cannot even bid a project until all of the funding is in place and we are able to move forward. So we we can't do any of the site work by city policy and rules until everything's approved. we can bid and award a contract. The the work is still going to be contracted by the city of Casper even though donors are contributing over $10 million to the project. Thank you. Any other questions from Miss Lopez?

Question for you. They're trying to get this approved at the June 2nd city council meeting. Is it realistic to expect staff to be addressed all these seven um items by that time. Uh it's a good question, Mr. Beamer. I um I think it can be done. It's aggressive, but uh right now, honestly, I don't have a good feel for where things are on the approval process with the city engineer and some other conversations that are occurring um outside my office. So, um it's possible, but it's aggressive.

Okay. Thank you. And if we were not to approve today, if we were to defer to the next meeting, when is the next council meeting? So if it was So if we move this to the June 11th meeting, I believe that pushes us into July, there won't be another council meeting till July. Correct date.

Any uh other questions? just as a follow. So if we were to defer to July, then they couldn't bid at the earliest, but I I'm going to let them likely August. We wouldn't be awarding until September, October.

Thank you, Mr. Lopez. Thank you, Mr. Whips. Now is the time when we ask members of the audience to come forward in either support or in opposition to this case. Please remember to state your name and address clearly into the microphone for the record. Anyone anyone wishing to speak in support of or opposition to this case, please come forward now. See nobody else wishing to speak on this case. Chair hereby closes the public comment portion of the public hearing and calls for a motion on the plat to approve. It's not a plat on the site plan to approve, approve with conditions, deny, table or postpone to a date certain. Discussion will occur after there was a motion and a second

to approve SB-1060-202. Have a motion to approve by Commissioner Hutcherson. Do we have a second? Thank you chairman. That's what the seven recommended the seven conditions. I'm sorry with the seven conditions. Identify the staff report that acceptable to the second. Second by Commissioner Blot in a second. Is there any discussion? Commissioner Hunter. Uh,

thank you, Chairman. Um, I'm concerned about allowing a site plan that's incomplete being approved by the planning commission for the city of Casper. When private contractors are held to a standard, they have the same construction seasons. They have the same construction costs and they have to adhere to the ordinances and provide a complete and total site plan for us to approve. when we push this off to the city council, we are I do not know how I could uh not do the same thing for a private contractor. And I I just do not personally feel that this is something that that we should for the sake of I it was my desire and hope that we'd have a complete site plan, but when there's so many issues when there's fire hydrants and walkways and in ADA places and there's a lot of things on this site plan that look like they need to be addressed in a very short time and to vote to approve it to send it to somebody else on hope that that all gets completed in a timely manner to save us some money. I uh I would be against this.

Thank you. Any further discussion? Does it not like with the conditions the conditions have to be met before it can go to city council? So if the conditions are not met then it would not go to city council which makes all of that move right like like is that what I'm understanding? They are circumventing planning and zoning commission and um putting it on staff to make sure that these conditions have been appropriately met. Any further discussion? I have a question.

So Craig, when we say staff, who who is this going to fall on? Is this falling on you, the engineering department? Who who will be that it's really falling on?

Mr. Chairman, it's it's all of the above. It's it's um the fire department, it's transit, it's um engineering, it's planning. Um planning can be thought of as the center of the wheel and we tie up all the loose ends, but it's it depends on multiple departments, multiple people. And I want to say I support the sheet um wholeheartedly, but I feel a lot like Commissioner Alston that we're abdicating our responsibility as a planning and zoning commission by approving something that's not complete and sets a very big slippery slope for future discussions. I feel for it having worked with the city and knowing how contracts go and knowing how they need to be let and timelines and all those things, but we signed up for a volunteer position that has a certain responsibility attached to it and have to responsibility to me is very uncomfortable.

Any further discussion? There being no further discussion, we now vote. Are there any extensions or nay votes? All voting I did you record the vote Mr. Chairman, that was two. The motion on the table was to approve. We had how many nay votes? Cast your nay votes again.

All right. To So you're casting to not approve essentially is what you're doing to approve the site plan. Please cast your vote. Please record the vote. I'm still unsure. Four voted against the motion. Okay. Who are you voted for? With four members voting nay and the rest voting I the motion fails. So that is the motion to approve. Do we now have a motion to deny? Mr. Chairman, that's it. That's that's a denial. That is a denial.

Takes four. Do you need a motion to move to meeting? It'll simply be resubmitted. Your your site plan application has been denied issues on the agenda. I don't see any. So there are none tonight. And now chair calls for any communication from anybody on the commission. Any communication from the community development director or the city planner.

Mr. Chairman, commissioners, um a few things. I know Laura is going to cover cover a few things with the old Yellowstone district, but um related to the YOPASS conference coming up and I know we've got Commissioner Pocheek as well as yourself attending along with our chief building official and our administrative specialist. One of the topics that's going to be covered, and I think all of you need to be aware of this, um during the city county breakout sessions, which will be on Friday, is the topic of the gaming and gambling um ordinances. many of the municipalities around the state of Wyoming have um really started to see the issue brought forward as to how many is enough and where should the gaming and gambling in um establishments be located in these municipalities. And so I would like to ask that the two of you take some notes and bring them forward um after the trip please. I know Lori as well as Justin will be doing the same thing, but a special committee of the city council was formed after one of the last work sessions asking for input. And so the timing is perfect to get feedback from the planning commissioners, our chief building official, um our downtown development authority as well as our old Yellowstone district to get um to give in writing to the planning commission after the six-month moratorum which is being voted upon at the June 2nd meeting um is kind of is out of effect. So there is a hold right now as many of you have read um on any new establishments being brought to Casper but again this is a huge topic and I know it is going to touch this body um again so I think um as we look and we've had topics of consideration and education among this group before

this is one that we'll continue to watch as a team but I think um wanted to let you all know that in one of the city breakout sessions it will be distressed and it may also So be addressed um with even some of the WHAM topics that are brought forward and again it's being brought forward by a lot of your fellow commissioners around the state and it may be also brought up in the commissioner training. So more of a heads up to the team. So again thank you for giving of your time to attend the Yopass conference. We greatly appreciate it. That would be my report.

Thank you Liz. Any questions for Liz? Any communication from the ES council liaison? You're welcome. Any communication from the uh old Yellowstone district liaison?

We had our uh joint meeting a couple weeks ago, last week. Um the was busy this week planting flowers in the area. They're scheduling a downtown cleanup. There has been some increased police presence in the downtown which has uh marked a reduction in unhouse issues which has allowed them to focus on some other issues. Uh the DDA has approved their lighting plan and it's going to light 17 trees in the downtown area at the beginning of June. So that'll be cool. New banners for spring and artwalk have gone up downtown and believe we just got the 250th banners ordered. So those will go up downtown. Uh, David Street Station has a lot of upcoming events. Artwalk has started and will be on the first Thursday of every month. And Crazy Days has changed a little bit this year. So, be Crazy Days and Wild Nights. Um, that's July 17th and 18th. They're adding a car show. Um, and there will be a concert concluding at David Street Station. Um, Saturday night. They're looking for sponsors for Crazy Days still and kids activities. And the DDA is working on creating a downtown windows beautifification for the 250th celebration.

Thank you, Commissioner Hunter. Chair calls for any other communication from anyone else present.

Mr. Chairman, before we close out, can I have five minutes to talk to uh my legal counsel real quick? Of course. Thank you.

That is very interesting because that's the second time tonight I was asked why do I sing? And I won't share that and an open meeting. Mr. Chairman, um, thank you for allowing me a few

minutes to sort this out. With the denial of the site plan, um, they will have to make a new application. The application deadline was last Friday, so it's actually going to cost them two months, um, because they'll have to wait Reconsider is what I guess I'm suggesting and Wallace can help us with that if that's something the planning commission wants to do. You're saying reconsider our vote. The vote to continue it rather than deny it and that keeps it on track for next month. If we deny it, I'll have to reapply within that 30-day prior to the

So, you're ask you're asking for a continuence rather than a denial of the site plan. The way that that would work procedurally, Mr. Chairman, is that you could, if you want to, who voted against approving it. It can't be by a motion for reconsideration by someone who voted for it. You could move to reconsider your vote and at that point move to continue the case to next month instead of just a straight denial. And that would save a month. A separate motion that says That's right. It's a separate motion.

Yeah. You'd have two motions. One would be the motion to reconsider. Have a separate motion to allow for continuation next month. Reconsider the denial. Call the continu.

Could you could reconsider that motion, right? To resend the votes on that essentially. and then bring a new motion to continue. From my perspective, when we voted, there was four nazs on the approval vote. That means that motion did not pass. Correct. Which means to me there should have been another motion to either deny or continue the site plan, which was what my thinking was initially when I it it initially failed because you didn't have four affirmative votes, which is required by your own planning and zoning. Right. So,

so that motion but and by my understanding that motion then failed. So there should have been another motion on the table to either deny or to continue. The motion to deny was completely unnecessary because it already failed. But it could have been continued. Well, that's why I'm saying it could reconsider the vote. Okay. So, one of those that voted not to approve the site plan needs to reconsider the vote.

Correct. I guess my question comes to like are there times where session? Yeah, there's no grounds for an executive session here. This is all straight public business rules. I was ready for a continuous and I voted nay. But I was voting nay to the motion that Commissioner Hutchinson made. So in Robert's rules, you make another motion for

Let's set aside Robert's rules. It's your commission and it's just purely for procedural terms to um make this smooth for you. So, if you would like to reconsider the motion by someone who voted against it, then you can reverse that and start with a continuence and start over. It's it's your thing to do. You can do that. All right. Mr. Chairman, I would so do I I would like to reconsider just the motion to deny and and ask for a motion to continue. So we now have a motion to continue the case to the June 6 planning and zoning commission.

First we need a motion to reverse the determination that was already made. It's two two. Okay. Do I have a motion to reverse? I so moved. So moved. I second motion to reverse that. Then it's now back open on the table for another discussion. Once we have a motion and a second for something else, we certainly can. For continuance to the July, we've got to take the first motion

to reverse. We have a motion to reverse the denial from Commissioner St. Do I have a second? We have a second by Commissioner Hunter. Any discussion on that motion? Please cast your vote. Please record the vote with all members voting I. The motion carries. We'll go back to the original. I have a motion to approve, deny, or continue the site plan. After I get a motion and a second, I will move to continue to the July June 11th.

I have a motion to continue to the July 11th, 2026 planning June 11th. I'm sorry. 2026 Planning and Zoning Commission. I have a second. I I've got a second by Commissioner St. Now we can have some discussion any

my discussion my question is we in my opinion I feel like we are setting precedent but talking you um allow contractors have conditions right that's my question we also allow have we in the past allowed contractors have conditions. Would you turn your mic on, please? To allow contractors to have conditions before the site plan is ready. Have we done that before? I would refer that question to Mr. Collins.

I know this is very confusing. Um, I think what we're trying to do is bring a more complete site plan to you folks without all the conditions next month. That that's ultimately what we're trying to do. So this to me the continuence to next month will hopefully wipe the slate clean. You guys will get a good final project and you'll be able to vote on it next month. That that's what ultimately what we're trying is have you ever in the past approved something with this many conditions um contractor?

Yes. I think there's been things that have had lots of conditions attached. Um, I think I've told you folks in trainings that when there's a lot of conditions attached, that's a red flag that something's gone wrong. A lot of times, um, that's been not because they've not done something. It's because they disagree with us. They they don't want to do what we're asking them to do. I don't think that's the case in this situation. I think it's just a timing issue.

Any further discussion? Craig, do you feel that if this were to get approved that the city's getting special treatment or do you think that this falls in line falls in line with what we would do?

I can't think of a another site in this incomplete that I've brought to the planning commission. I've always um as far as I can remember been able to um talk an applicant into recommending a continuence on their own to say you need some more time if you want my positive recommendation. Um this one's a little odd. I think that's somewhat um up in the air. I don't think those are hard numbers that could, but if anybody from staff is can answer that question, I'd be more than happy to listen to understood. Any further discussion?

I just want to clear that when we did this, it was when I cast my vote, it was with thought that it was going to be the next meeting, not realizing that the deadline had already passed for submission. So, I think this is completely appropriate to do a continuance. Okay. Okay. So, currently on the table, we have a motion to continue the site plan to the June 11th, 2026 planning and zoning commission meeting. Any further discussion? There be no further discussion. Oh, sorry. Commissioner,

change their mind. If you want to change your vote originally, you're going to have to vote nay on this one. Just so you know, and make a new and Okay. So, the motion on the table right now is to continue the site plan case to the June 11th, 2026 Planning and Zoning Commission. Any further discussion? Any abstension? Extensions or nay votes. Please cast your vote. Please record the vote.

With all members voting I, the motion carries.

That was quite the exercise. Your site plan has now been continued to the June 11th, 2026 Planning and Zoning Commission. I'm glad you're still here. The final item on the agenda this evening is adjournment. The next meeting of the planning and zoning commission is schedu for Thursday, June 11th, 2026 at 6 p.m. There being no further business to conduct, the chair calls for a motion to adjourn.

So move. Moved by Commissioner Rubble, second by Commissioner Hutcherson. Any discussion? Please cast your vote. Please record the vote. With all members voting I, the motion carries. Meeting adjourned at 657. No. 650 tomb.