Planning Commission - Regular Meeting

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presenting one of his planning projects. They're doing Oh, I ate Mike. The broker got a call back. as a broker as a pay hour is upon us. We ready? Okay. I'd like to call the evenings today June 5th Grand Planning and Zoning Commission meeting to order. Please rise and join me for the pledge to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands. One nation indivisible and justice for all. Okay, everybody's here. Eric, you'll let the record show we're all in attendance. Are there any changes to the agenda? Uh, Mr. Chairman, there are no changes to the published agenda. Thank you. Okay, commissioners, we have two sets of very short minutes. Mr. Chairman, I'd like to do the honors consider approval of the minutes of for the May 1st, 2025 meeting. Okay. I have a motion. Second. Second. All in favor? Oh, any discussion? All in favor say I. I. Any opposed? Okay, we have another one. I'd like also like to uh approve the minutes

for the May 1st, 2025 special meeting. Thank you very much. And a second. Second. Thank you. Any discussion? All in favor say I. Any opposed? Okay, both of those are passed. Very good. Now we're at public comments part of our agenda. anybody from the public that would like to address the commission on uh any issue besides the the uh two that are on our agenda? Um any comments you'd like to make, please feel free to step forward, come up to the it dis. Okay, seeing none, close the public comment part and get to new business. Um, first is public hearing and a request from Joe Rosen switch for conditional use permit one. Watch that name, I'm sure. DSA 250056. Sam, good evening, commissioners, chair. Uh, yes. Tonight I am bringing before you the conditional use permit for the sports lab. So, this is conditional use permit and associated resolution for a commercial recreational facility. Uh, the site is located at 655 West Cottonwood Lane. It's approximately 1,700 ft west of the intersection on Cottonwood and Panal. It is currently zone B2 and the whole site is about 2.15 acres. Um, the sports lab is going to consist of some batting cages. They're going to have some open areas for pitching, catching practice, um, and then some weight training, cardio, and they may eventually offer some yoga and those types of

activities. Here is the site. Um, looking south west. Yes, southwest. Um our site is let me so our point site is here. Uh here it is looking from the front and here it is again from the top view. Uh inside the building, you'll see here that there's approximately 5,000 square feet uh for a series of batting cages as well as a work workout work workout and weight training area. Uh they will not be occupying the entirety of the building. There will be other tenants um in various capacities at this site. And here I've kind of highlighted uh some of the parking that will be offered. Um there will be parking in the rear as well. Um so uh our tradition our our regular conditional use permit criteria uh the five of them here um these uh criteria have all been evaluated and are covered within the staff report um and staff finds that they meet all of the criter all the criteria have been met. uh public notification. Uh there has been um notice in the newspaper as well as public mailers and a sign was required and post at site. Uh staff did receive one inquiry the other day about this proposal. The community member who had called in was concerned about toxic chemicals or anything that may be harmful to the community. Um as this is not that type of development. um that was not a concern and uh they had no other concerns or comments at that time. Um so at this time, staff is

recommending that the planning commission approve this conditional use permit and associated resolution DSA 250056 for this commercial recreation uh batting cages and workout area in a B2 zone district located at 655 West Cottonwood Lane. All right. Commissioners, questions for staff. Question. Yep. Sam, those other sections of the building, any thoughts on what those are going to be as far as because the parking that's on East Cottonwood is in front of that other section, right? The white. Correct. So, these guys parking is the green. So, um, all of the parking will be it's all one single lot. So it'll be shared parking between all of the uses there. Um so I've got you know uh 20ome parking spaces shown here and then again the larger lot in the back will be used for parking when the trailers are all gone. Yeah. So you there are a lot of trailers there but um like I said it's almost a twoacre lot. Um there should be sufficient parking. Um and they will, you know, be required to provide that or show that before they're issued a uh temp certificate of occupancy. Are there plans for those traders to be taken out of there or that? I'm not sure how the uh property owner is going to mash unit. Yeah. Manage that. Okay. Okay. Anything else? Okay. Would the applicant or their representative like to come forward and address the commission?

How you doing? My name is Joe Rosewitz. Hi. Can you give us your name and address for the record? Joe Rosewitz. Reside at 638 West Court here in Kas Grand. Great. Pull it back up. Okay. Anything you'd like to say to uh the trailers? Yeah. Talk to the owner. He's working on selling them. Good. He's actually selling all the stuff inside. I think he's appliance plants and furniture right now. Right. Right. So, he's working on selling all that. So, we will have the entire back area for parking eventually. Um kind of depends on our next step whether we move forward. So, thank you. We should have plenty of parking. Good. Yeah. Okay. Any other? Yes. So, what else is going on inside the building? Who are the other tenants in the building? That I don't know. He he's he's kind of addressed something for the elderly in the small section. If you want to go back to the the main that one. So, that small section was supposed to be opened up to something to do with the elderly. He's not sure yet, but right now he did have the building up for sale. he was going to vacate it. Um, I've come in and offered him this business to run in there to keep it going. So, he's decided to keep the building. I don't know exactly the details on that small building. I know the back unit is his maintenance shop. So, I don't think any unless he finds someone else to rent it out. I don't know what's going to go on there, but as far as I know right now, it's it's just going to be us. Okay. Thank you. Very good. Anything else? Yes. Yeah. Yeah, I have one question in regards to the little small space between the actual cages and the weight room. I see the walk path that I'm trying to acquire. He actually built a office. Okay. And he's using that right now because he's still selling all the stuff. So, he's got all his his

computers and okay, his stuff in there, but it's it's actually just a an office inside, just a wall with a door. So, if I can acquire that and make that my office, that'll become blue. Okay, great. Thank you. You bet. Okay, good. Anything else? We're good. Is there a fence at the back? There's a fence. Um, that one car on the left. Oh, yeah. Didn't look like it. There's a a gate. Oh, so this is Oh, that that far side. I actually haven't been over there. um like where the houses are. Yeah. So, he actually owns that little strip down where the trailers are parked. So, are the trailers basically the fence right now? No, no, no. There is a fence between the property line and his that I've seen. And I think he's got a gate there on I don't know what that street is off of Cottonwood Crane. That one is actually a locked up gate. Yeah. So, he's just parking trailers there until he can get rid of them. He's actually sold quite a few of them so far. We had talks in the near future of making that a grass field back there, depending on the parking we need to accommodate any outside soccer, whatever we can do with the youth. That comes down way down later on down the road. Anything else for him? Trailers. A lot of trailers. Okay. Thank you. Appreciate that. Thank you guys for your time. So, now we're open the uh public portion of the meeting. Anybody from the public would like to address this issue, please come forward.

And seeing none, I'll close the public portion of the meeting. And commissioners, where are we going? Chairman, can I ask one more question of staff? Absolutely. The um does the property have any code violations on it the way it sits today with the everything that's on it? Um I am not aware of any code violations at this time, but it was not something that I specifically looked into. Okay. But I can follow up and yeah, I was just curious because there's a lot going on. So, no, it's a I I think this is going to be a good use of that property kind of clean and it's uh much more um in line with the uh residential areas around there. I think it's going to be a great improvement. Being improved. Yeah. Yeah, definitely. Thank you. Yeah, it'd be nice to have a cleaned up, I guess you'd call it, for so not quite so much stuff. I was a little worried about the trailers. Yeah, okay. Any other discussion? Okay, it's up to y'all. I'd like to make a motion. Thank you very much. like to make a motion to approve the conditional use permit associated resolution DSA250056 for commercial recreation in a B2 zone district located at 655 West Cottonwood Lane. I'll second that. All right, motion second. Any discussion? Hearing none, please call the role. Member Smith, yes. Member Alderret, I. Member Vender Hayden, yes. Member Hubard, yes. Member Peters. I, Vice Chair Garza. I, Chairman Benedict, yes. Thank you guys. Good luck with that. Be a great thing. We look forward to it. Thank you, commissioners.

Okay, next up, uh, we'll have a public hearing and to consider requests from Kasa Grande Hospitality LLC, ESA Premier Suites, 2.2 acres on the souththeast of Florence Boulevard and Commun Marcato, ESA 2500112 and 13. James Hey, good evening chairman and planning commissioners. So, as you indicated, I'm going to be covering two applications this evening that are included within one presentation. There will first be discussion about a proposed PAD amendment to the Casa Grande Marcato planned area development zone district and also the discussion of a major site plan to accommodate a proposed extended stay hotel offered by ESA Premier Suites. In this photo, the top of the photo is looking west. Florence Boulevard's on the right and the request involves the um site shown on the screen there in blue. They're seeking approval to develop an extended stay hotel near the southeast corner of Camino Marcato in Florence. It's a 2.2 acre site and the hotel would include 124 rooms. This is a tall building, four stories at 50 feet in height with 132 parking spaces. I've overlaid the site plan onto the aerial so you can see how the proposal would fit into that area. And here is an example of their

architectural elevations. Their front elevation is what you would see from Florence Boulevard. So, as I mentioned, I'm going to be talking about two applications this evening. The amendment to the Kasa Grande Marcato P A is necessary to clarify the hotel use at the 50 ft requested height in that area and to also reflect this area as one development parcel and to also clarify design standards such as the architecture and fencing. The Kasa Grande Marcato P A is one of our oldest planned area development zone districts that and it's about 35 years old. Um, and it did provide some elements on it that were very specific to certain lots and I'll I'll go through that here on the upcoming slides. But this amendment helps clarify that this area is intended for a one lot development um that would allow a hotel use. And then I'm also going to be talking about the major site plan which is for the sighting of the building and its associated improvements. This proposal, if approved, will also involve replatting. It'll be required to place this property into one singular platted lot, but that's to be considered by city council. To give you an idea of what I'm talking about is this was part of a nine lot commercial subdivision and so the development will entail a replat to change that a couple of those lots into one lot.

a little bit more detail about the PA AD amendment. Um, in the 1990 P A guide for the Kasa Grande Marcato, it had designated lot 9 for a 60 foot tall fourstory hotel and it had provided some architectural renderings. As you can tell, a hotel didn't develop there. That's where Cracker Barrel is. And you know what? I like their food so much. Sometimes I wish it was a hotel, but um it developed for another use. And so what this proposal does is it does specify that the area further west is for a hotel at 50 ft in height. And it does have modernized elevation styles. This is an excerpt of the peed where you can see how specific it is. It had shown that the area proposed for this new hotel development to be two specific lots for a bank and a restaurant. And we treat that as kind of conceptual information, but the current P A allowed that area to have commercial uses at a height of 24 feet. The only area that was allowed to be taller was the hotel site on lot 9 at a height of 60. As I mentioned, the original PED document did include architectural renderings of both the former outlet, which is to the south, and it I know it goes by a bunch of different names. As I was driving through there the other day, I noticed it's called Palm Center. And and that's also confusing because I think there's a palm corner or whatnot, caddy corner to here, and there's not a palm in sight. So, at that other location, but as you can tell, the Palm

Center or this former outlet area was built fairly true to the architectural renderings within the P A guide. Um, and as I had shown on the previous slide, they had given renderings for the hotel that was supposed to be constructed on lot 9. Um, of course, this proposed hotel site is proposing much more modern elevations, but with regard to the elevations throughout the PAD, there is kind of a hodge podge. You have the Arco development, which interestingly is kind of capturing that 1990 era style of the Spanish tile roofing. But all the other buildings within that PED is a mixture. You have um Dutch Brothers, which is probably the newest within the P80. Um but then you have Popeye's, which was remodeled because I believe it was originally a Schlotssky's. And then the Cracker Barrel. This development um does propose a modern style architecture. Um and as you can tell, it's a mixture of gray colors. One of the things that are being amended is that the current PED does um indicate within the guide a southwest architectural elevation theme. And so one of the amendments that will apply specifically to this area is to allow a modern style architecture. Another aspect that they're amending to the PAD is with regard to fencing. The current PED talks about no composite or plastic fencing is allowed and they are actually proposing to place a TX type fencing along its western boundary where

it's adjacent to a retention basin as well as on the um flag stem portion of it where it's adjacent to the um drainage basin there um just north of the access drive. As you can tell, that existing retention basin off of Camino Marcado um does have a sidewalk along it, but that fencing would be located um between that retention basin and the development site. When reviewing PA ADS, these are the criteria that um we evaluate. And I want to specifically talk about the two highlighted items. Of course, the staff report covers each of these criteria in greater detail. The primary um criteria that I want to talk about is conformance to the city's general plan. So, this area does fall within the community corridor designation. Within the community corridor land use designation, it supports development of diverse activity centers that incorporate various building sizes sizes and land uses. And the key objective is infield development which this can be considered. And also within the community corridor category, it stipulates a maximum floor area ratio of 0.5. you might not automatically know what that means. So, I have a little bit of a graphic for you. So, floor area ratio is um somewhat like a maximum building coverage, but looking at it as a per floor calculation. So, if you were to build a one-story building at a 0.5,

that means you can cover half the lot as you see in the far left image. But as you do a twostory building, that means you can only cover a quarter of the lot. Three stories, you'd think that would be 12 1.5%. I was mathing with it, but it technically not. It becomes 17%. And I it does there is an explanation for that, but I won't go into that. By the time you go to a fourstory building, that means that you can only cover about 12 a.5% of the lot. Um, as shown on this graphic. So this request actually will exceed that 0.5. It will be 0.59 and it results in a lot coverage of about 14.4%. The way that we say that this is still in conformance with the tenants of the community corridor general plan is by looking at the PED as a whole. The existing P AD actually assigns estimated floor area ratios for each lot. The proposed amended P A changes the area to be developed to 0.59. However, when calculating the combined floor area ratio of the PA AD as a whole, including this proposed site at 0.59, the overall floor area ratio within the P A is at.192, still well below 0.5. when applying the floor area ratio of 0.5 to the undeveloped areas. So if the area is currently undeveloped within this P A shaded in that light blue ask for a 0.5 the maximum allowed in the community corridor the proposed including the 0.59 for this proposed

site you end up getting.24 24. So still well below the 0.5 floor area ratio maximum. The other criteria that I want to talk about with regard to um a planned area development zone is a relationship to plan elements both on and off the property. As you can tell within the um existing PA AD, it did call for a commercial area with um but with an with access through it. As you can see, there's um Camino del Norte, which runs through the center of the P80 and Camino Marcato towards the west side of the P80. This subject site changes that figure ground to provide for the development of a hotel site that also incorporates that access drive between Camino Marcato and Camino del Norte. However, the lot will continue to have an access easement not only for V vehicles and pedestrians but also for utilities. So, it still functions as an access drive as originally shown here. It's just incorporated into the developing lot. And this is a closer shot of the um site plan where you can see how that's accommodated. So, with the P Amendment, staff is recommending that planning commission approve um the request. And I did want to clarify that oftentimes you serve as a recommending body for P Amendments to city council. However, in our code, um all major changes shall be submitted to the planning commission for their review

and approval except for the items that I bulleted. um none of the bulleted items technically apply in this case. So you would be serving as the approving body of the PAD. Now on to the major site plan. Um these are the associated review criteria for major site plan submitts and some of these overlap with the review criteria for PD amendments. So, I'm going to just talk about the three highlighted items in a slightly unique way as it applies to the major site plan. I already talked about the um vehicular ingress and egress. However, I just wanted to um talk a little bit more about with this middle of a major site plan, we get a traffic impact analysis and that was prepared by um Y2. Is it YK2 or Y2K? Y2K. Y2K. I knew one of you would know. Um it had shown that there is an estimation of 546 daily trips with 42 um peak hour trips in the AM and 45 peak hour trips in the PM. Um it was found that the streets and intersections that would be impacted by the increase of traffic still maintained an acceptable level of service. Um the analysis looked at the intersection of Camino Marcato and Florence and the intersection of Camino del Norte and Florence and also the driveway with Camino Marcato um along that south leg. They are um proposing to run a sidewalk through the site. Um there's already an existing sidewalk along Camino Marcato and a sidewalk would be

extended south of the retention basin. Um a sidewalk with public pedestrian access would move in more into the site flush with the hotel, but there would also be a sidewalk that would be extended along Camino delorte. Regarding building location, heights and elevations. Um, this is a tall building. Um, you know, four stories 50 ft in height is something that would be fairly intense for that area. However, within the community corridor category, we support taller buildings and the placement of the taller building is appropriate here given that it's kind of a stair step. When you think about the smaller lower profile buildings immediately adjacent to Florence, this would sit behind there still giving those smaller pad sites visibility. And in looking at some other aspects, there are some other taller buildings in the area. You have the apartment complex that's about completed um that is further to the south. And then you have Sunlife, which is a four-story building a little bit further to the west. Regarding the landscaping, it does meet that which is required by the landscape code, which is two, excuse me, two trees and five shrubs for every three parking spaces. That would yield 88 trees and 220 shrubs. given that there's 13 132 parking spaces proposed um and the plan actually um meets the number of trees but well exceeds the number of shrubs and then there's a requirement for one tree and three

shrubs for every 30 ft of street frontage and so that would be along Camino del Norte um that would yield seven trees and 21 shrubs. They're proposing seven trees and 27 shrubs in that area. So, with that, staff does recommend that planning commission approve this major site plan. However, there are a few recommended technical modifications um that the applicant is aware of. there's an error regarding the um building square footage on the site plan that needs to be revised and then some updates with regard to reflecting improvements on Camino del Norte um in terms of providing a sidewalk and curbon gutter and a street lamp. Regarding the notification process, we met that which is required by code. staff has not received any inquiries or comments specific to this request. And as far as staff's recommendations, we there's two of them that you will be considering separately this evening. Um staff is recommending that planning commission approve the amendment to the P AD and then we are also asking that you approve the major site plan subject to the technical modifications I just went over and I'd be happy to answer any questions and I do see that the applicant is in attendance too so he'd be happy to address questions as well. Okay, we'll get there. Yes. I have one question, Jim. The um empty lot that's to the east of Camino Del Norte, is that a buildable lot? And if so, what would the zoning be on that one? So to the east is um sitting kind of caddy corner to Cracker

Barrel. Is that what you're talking about? It it is part of the Kasa Grande Marcato P A. And so it could be a variety of commercial uses. um it was split in violation of the subdivision standards. So if they were to go to develop it there, they may have to address a replat. But I foresee that it would be another type of um commercial highway service use like a like a restaurant possibly. Okay, good. Thank you. Um follow up. There's So we're talking about the one that's right on the road. Then there is there another lot beyond to the to the east. I'll I'll pull up a graphic that might be This might be good. Um actually Sorry. Did I lose you? There you go. Yeah. Yeah. There's another one. Go. There's a better one. I just The one you had your blue on shows it. Okay. There's There's a really good one though. I know. A really not just a one, but a really good one. There's this. But waiting patiently for that one. But you don't like that one, huh? That's good. That work. That'll work. Just tell me when to stop. Oh, wow. I did. Okay. Okay. Do you want me to go to the one that showed the trees though? Go back one. I don't remember trees. Go back. Remove that sign there. We need to see the east. So, is this a good one? That one was out there. Sorry about that. This This one might be good here on that bottom graphic because that shows the lot that Commissioner Peters was asking about. It showed it in the PED as a restaurant,

but it could be any kind of commercial use. So, So from that, are you are you telling me that the Cracker Barrel owns the one the lot that's empty, the area that's empty to the south of their building? Right. So Cracker Barrel developed on a portion of what was lot nine, but they illegally subdivided the land when they built it. And so now the area that was platted lot nine now sits as two parcels if not two and a half. I'm not quite certain because I don't have the the APN parcel lines on. But yeah, there is some developable land to the south of Cracker Barrel that could technically be a commercial use. Um but they would have to go through some sort of replplatting possibly. Okay. And then there is a where the retention basin south of Dutch Brothers that technically was identified in the peed as a as a fast food business but it could be any kind of commercial development but it's not likely to develop because it was constructed that lot ended up being developed as a retention basin when Dutch Brothers was built because if I remember correctly um the lot for Dutch Brothers was receiving a lot of developed flow from the rest of the development because the a proper storm water solution hadn't been implemented. And so in a way to address that, Dutch Brothers bought the lot to the south and put a retention basin in that collected developed flows for the development. So it's kind of a sacrificial lot. Well, somebody will have fun put working that

out. Commissioners, any other questions for staff? That's where we're at. I have a question in regards to Camino del Norte. That particular Eastway looks like it's narrower than the one that's going off on the west side. Were there any plans in widening that particular road? Commissioner Smith, um there isn't a plan to widen it, but it will be improved with curb, gutter, and sidewalk on the west side of it, so it'll be better defined. Okay. Um but it is it did actually end up getting dedicated to this or deed to the city as um public rideway. So, we do have as a city control of that of that rightway width, but it won't be as wide as Camino Marcato. Okay. To that point, my second question following up on that, that's a very congested area. If you've ever traveled through there, um, right now it's just a single stop sign. Were there any sort of plans on doing anything else as far as the traffic's concerned? I know just before that where the actual QT is, there's an actual light. So, the city does have some long range plans of improving Florence Boulevard, particularly from I 10 over to Hennis, which is further to the west. But in looking at those improvements, it's possible that the intersection with Camino, Del Norte, and Florence will be restricted to some degree more so than it is now. Okay. Um, and that does become kind of controversial because people are used to that intersection for full access, but it may be safer to restrict it in some way where perhaps

there's not an ability to make all four turning movements. I'm talking left ins, right outs, rights, you know, there there might be some restriction to that. Um, but in doing so, the city will probably have to make some improvements as to the approach to Camino Marcato because there there that means if if you restrict movements there to some degree, Camino Marcato may see either vehicles doing Uturns or more vehicles coming out onto Camino Marcato. And so there may have to be some enhancements to that road to mitigate what what has changed with the intersection of Camino, Delorte, and Florence. Great. Thank you, Chairman. I was going to ask that same question just because it the intersection of Camino Norte and Florence is not great today and I can't imagine adding, you know, any more traffic to it because the movements between the Dairy Queen and these and people making left-hand turns, it's bad. Correct. So I I find it hard to believe that the traffic study said that even with this it would sit at a good level of service at Florence, but you didn't provide me information to review. So I'm taking your word for it, Jim. We need we needed another hundred pages for No, we just needed the conclusion of that report would have been real helpful. And and you know I and anytime that you want me to provide that to you, just let me know because we because I do have that with that data and it was all approved by your traffic consultant. Yeah. Right. And you believe those engineer people? Well, I'm only I don't know. It just it it's I I find

it hard to believe. Yeah, it's it's a mess now. It's a mess. So I can imagine what you're adding what 124 parking spaces there. So I'm just thinking if it's 3/4 full, how is everyone going to exit back and forth out of there? We're believing they're going out to to Marcato Camino Marcato because that is right. They're opening that up. Yeah. So I'm being facicious. I'm thinking of how Google Maps is going to send somebody going to stay at the hotel and they're probably going to send them down Camino Norton. Yeah. Off the freeway, left turn in. Yes. Well, one one thing to note is that currently there is not a road out to Camino Marcato. It's it's undeveloped there just south of the drainage basin. What the development of this site does is it punches through an access way from Camino del Norte, which you see on the bottom of the road. When this photo was taken, they had just gotten done um black topping that like five minutes before. So that's why it looks so dark there on the bottom. But and it probably hadn't been paved in however many years, but it's paved now. Um but going you know then towards the top of the image which is west there will be an access drive extended. So that's going to accommodate some some benefit not just for the hotel but other users within that P A to get out to Camino Marcato right and I'm sure the fire department asked for some secondary access as well to get to an emergency. Right now you have to go through the plaza in order to get over there. Yes. Yeah. Okay. Any other questions for staff? We beat this one. Oh, we're not done.

Would the uh applicants or their representative please come forward and address the commission? Hello, my name is Nick Maxwell. I'm a civil engineer representing the applicant. I live at 238 West Bobcat Court in Kasag Grand. Great. Thank you for that. Any comments you want to make first? Not at this time, but I'm happy to answer any questions. Appreciate your consideration. Very good. Commissioners have questions. I just have one question. You're right. What was the motivation behind changing the permitted wall and fence materials to allow composite? Uh the the applicant that I represent uh builds a lot of hotels and builds a lot of fences and has a strong preference for that fence. He believes that it looks better and it's more modern and he also believes it requires less maintenance over time. Okay. This is an extended stay uh property. Is there any type of conference room in it at all or um there are some public spaces. I don't know if it's a conference room or there's like a small gym. Little bit of square foot for the for the people that are staying there. Yeah. Okay. Thank you. You're welcome. There was a little bit of meeting space. Okay. Anything else commissioners for him? Oh, you guys are so um so this building is uh you know Okay. Yes, there's a four-story building. It's a another one a mile away to the west, which is actually in lower in

elevation because the land falls away and the highway is up above. Um except for the overpass, this will be one of the tallest building buildings anywhere around. Um, the other hotel is is another mile away, the new one there on the other end of of Prominade. It is also a four-story building, I believe, of of of a similar style. Um, so I guess part of my challenge and I'd love to hear your comments about it because this is such a prominent building in size. the the architectural style is so different and is in fact different from the PA AD that is in place has no relation to what the P A that's in place and um comments that that the planner had made about the architectural style of the buildings in front um in in yes they're different style They are not as different from Southwest as this building will be. Um the only one that's even that's even close to this style is the the coffee shop there which is almost dimminimous. It's such a small building that it's just kind of um was were there no alternatives for this, you know, for for this architecture to be a little bit in line with what's around. There are also several other hotels and other buildings as you go down with that have somewhat of a southwest style if nothing else. the tile roofs and and you know there's other pieces of that and I am certainly

not an architect to be able to ramble them all off but um it this appears to me to be rather abrupt change. Any comments? Can you help me with with my concerns in this regard? I understand your concern and I you know I see what the I see what you're pointing at. Um what I can say is that this style of architecture is um the developer believes um the hotel can be more uh efficient, more profitable this way. It's a type of architecture that attracts customers currently. Um they feel the Southwest architecture can be a little bit dated and might be off-putting to customers. Um I certainly um second that just as a consumer. um if I see two hotels, I'm more likely to go to the more modern looking one. So, that's sort of where they're coming from. Uh that said, they tried their best to um in incorporate somewhat of a southwest style, but I see what you're saying. It's not totally that southwest look. Um with respect to the other buildings, it is sort of a hodge podge. The building behind behind the Palm Center as it's called, does have that more southwest style. most of the other buildings are just kind of all over the place and um so we believe it fits well enough and um think it'll be a good look. I hope I answered your questions. Just trying to give you my thoughts on that. No, that's what I asked for was your your thoughts. Um yeah, I think and I guess the other piece that goes through my mind is actions of other commissions or inactions of other commissions I don't think require me to continue that. You know, they let that go at the time. I

don't think I have to just because they let it go. Absolutely. And so I'm I'm um you know to say and and you know we all have disagreements about what what looks good and what looks bad and I'm very aware of that. This is a bit shocking to me of the difference. Um again I think yes those other smaller buildings are different in style but they don't vary like this modern style next to this southwest style. Commissioners please stop. yakking too much over here guys. Come on. Anything else? I don't necessarily have a question for you at all, but I guess maybe should wait till till we come back to Sure. come back to us for discussion. Anything else for the owner? Actually, his representative. Yes. Very good. Thank you. I appreciate and understand everything you're saying. Thank you very much. Thank you all for your time. So, now we'll open the public portion of the meeting. Anybody from the public that would like to address this issue, please come forward? Seeing none, I'll close the public portion of this meeting or this issue and uh bring it back to commission. Yeah. So, my I'm I'm not entirely concerned with the current architectural style. I I would say I'd agree with the thought that a more modern looking building does probably attract people who see that and think, "Oh, newer, cleaner." And so I I I get that. I understand that it's it's and I also understand the Southwest kind of look with the red tile in certain respect does look kind of dated. And so I I get that. Um and so I'm not entirely concerned with the architectural style of the building. I'm more so just

concerned with the change of the fence materials mainly because I don't think composite or like plastic fences is is a good look anywhere. Um but I also don't think the color that they're showing in the elevations that they provided um is going to be maintained for very long. It shows a weathered look on it and it becomes an orangey kind of color rather than the brown and then that doesn't match any of the colors on the building at all. And so that's where how often are they actually going to go out there and maintain it? The minute it starts looking weathered, are they going to paint it? And so if it's going to even get to the point where it's looking weathered, I'd rather it just be a material that we know a masonry wall uh likely that's painted and we know it has a pretty long good life. And once it starts looking a little faded, you throw that paint on there. uh but it's going to not fade to an orange color that doesn't match your building. It's going to be painted to that building color. Um and so that's where my main concern is more so just with that fence and also because of the location of that fence. Uh where they're proposing that tre fence is all along this this basin here. As you can see, that's a very visible area. And so, anybody coming uh heading east on Florence Boulevard, once you get past, if you're even sitting at the light right here at Camino Marcado, you can see that. And so, if you're traveling down Camino Marcado, which is supposed to develop into a much larger road that is more, I believe it's an arterial, I can't remember. Um, that's going to have a lot more traffic on it in the future. And so, that's going to have a lot of people on it. And that's going to be a very visible area especially because this is going to be maintained as a as a retention basin. It it needs to be because of the the lack of planning that happened prior to uh development of of this of this pad. And so that that's really been my main concern is I think we should make sure that the walls and fencing materials

that is not messed with at all and that that part of the pad stays the same. Um and and if anything maybe we we recommend or condition that it's a masonry block wall of a certain height with certain architectural things, wristication, whatever it may be. Uh just so that it's a nicer looking wall because of its visibility. Uh again, not the architectural style of the building I'm not too concerned about. Just what is uh what's it being paired with as far as its its screening and and that's that's my concern. Okay. I have a question for Jim. Jim, the the secondary access road, is that going to be uh public to the city or is that going to be a ingress eress private drive? It'll be a private drive, but through the platting process that they're going through, they'll designate a certain width to be for public access for vehic vehicular, pedestrian, and um utilities. Okay. But the city wouldn't maintain it. Correct. It would be it would have to be maintained privately. Okay. I guess just what I'm hearing is, you know, the there's a lot of accommodation for the profitability of the hotel rather than the needs of the community or you know that's I'm hearing that on a lot of that's the response you know this is this is what you know we find is least you know more profiting least expensive for us on the fencing material on the architecture This is this is what we see is you know I don't know that's just what I'm hearing. Yeah. I I think you know I I think you guys

heard me. I hate to repeat but I just it to change that p a to change that style. Um whether you call it old or whe you know I'd rather live in I'd rather go to a place that has character. This style looks sterile to me. It's all, you know, that's a matter of style. But we already have a P A in place. We already have this is, you know, for this place, for this area. This was the style that was that was um seen and planned for. And and I think it's I think it's a good character certainly a good character for a community in the middle of the southwest, you know, to continue to reflect that. And this particularly because this is so large. Um it's just going to be to me it's going to be which that does in itself is not bad for it to be large. It for me it is to be so different. It's really bothers me. So, you've heard me twice now. I'll shut up, please. Other comments? Jim, could you bring up the old P A of what the hotel would have looked like because it it's quite nice, even though it was, you know, 34 years ago. Like, it reminds me of the Arizona Grand, which is a dated hotel, but that's what it looks like. Yeah, it's exactly what it looks like. Yeah, it's historic. It has character. Don't get me started. One more character. Okay. Sorry. But maybe it's all those trees that you know would take years to grow. Oh, you can buy them. I have a question in in regards to going back to Garrett's point about the fence

and the fencing. Are there any existing building codes that require any sort of a cinder wall for a building or of that type commercialwise? Commissioner Smith, there's not a um building code in place that requires um a specific material. Um so to answer your question, no. One thing that I think is a possibility is there likely needs to be some type of fencing where they're proposing it because it's adjacent to that retention basin. So, probably for safety purposes, there probably has to be some type of barrier, but what type of material they use the code doesn't um from a building code standpoint doesn't stipulate. Okay. Given what Garrett said and we're in our geographic location and we know how monsoons hit and actually given the dust storms and that that come through here, what is the likelihood of that pushing it through and blowing it over and destroying it? You could make it strong enough, I guess. But I mean with cinder walls, how often you see those blown over? Yeah. Right. That's why I was asking about an existing code. Yeah. And so if if the fence is over six feet in height, it does require a permit and does have to have specific engineering um as far as how it is um anchored to the ground or engineered. But but for six feet or less, it doesn't prompt a building permit. But it would be more of a maintenance issue if it blew over. The owner would be required to do the repairs to keep the site in

compliance with the site plan. And then on this retention area, the basin, who does Dutch Bros, do they have to maintain it? Yes. And do and are we enforcing them to maintain it because it doesn't look like it's being maintained? Well, if if there is if it is experiencing a an issue in terms of its appearance or function, then we could look into that as a enforcement case. I think there' be rocks or something. It's not a very I mean it No, I just thought it's very just functional. It's not landscaped. It just looks out of whack. Well, that wasn't part of their original plan that was that we approved. As I recall, it was um one thing that I'll say, this is one of the last times I'll make a 23 slide PowerPoint presentation, but uh I was going to pull up the landscape plan. Um give me one second. Almost there. all these extra little arrows and stuff. It is, I tell you. So, although they're not landscaping the Dutch Brothers parcel where lies the retention basin, the area that they are improving in landscaping that is part of what they own will kind of encase the retention basin to some degree. As you can see to the south, there will be some enhancements with some trees that kind of bows to the northwest a bit at Camino Marcato. And then of course there'll be landscaping to the south of that area.

Um and then to some degree immediately to the east of the retention basin. I don't see trees there per se to the east, but it'll have some shrubs and a few trees at the with the parking lot islands. All of that, all of that landscaping is on the hotel. It's not on the Dutch bro side. Correct. Dutch bro side. Right. So, you will see driving by there, you will see that fence. Correct. You'll see Garrick's fence. So, in the note here on the basin, it says per the city of Cagran landscape contractor to install DG. So, who's doing that work? Oh my DG pre-emergence. I see that. Well, I I would have to have the applicant address that. Um because it would be work on an on another person's property. Sorry. No, it's great. No, that's it's good information. Yeah, this project proposes to lay down new G DG um and landscape the basin, not with plants, but with DG as part of this project. So, you're going to do it with the project. Oh, that's great. Oh, you are good. Yes. Oh, I thought it was Dutch the issue. Probably is, but since they're not taking care of it, that's what I was asking. Well, is this site will feed into that retention pond also? Yes, I assume. A lot of the center goes to that that pond. And I'm the civil engineer. I designed the drainage design. I'm I'm really familiar with it. Right. So, so yeah, that's why they're pitching in. It's way bigger than you would ever need for the hundredyear storm. Trust me. Okay. So, there's room for another Dutch brook.

If I may, um, say the applicant is willing to, um, accept a stipulation of regular CMU fencing and not amending that part of the P A. Thank you. I'll go back to my seat. I'd be okay with that stipulation if staff and everybody else on this commission would be okay, but I don't know. It seems as though there's still some other things that we need to discuss. I'm just concerned about Camino del Norte. Norte, it's my next one. I And I just I just it's so narrow now. It's horrible to get in and out now. It's I mean horrible. And if they don't fix Florence, if anything, I would think that the traffic study would have said to make those interim improvements to make it a right-hand turn only. Absolutely. Which didn't, I guess. So the where do you say the right hand They would have to put a the median on Florence to block the access for people to make lefts. They'd have to do improvements on Florence intersection of Norton. That's what I'm saying. They need to fix that first because we're just and not just wait for the city to do this project that is unfunded for, you know, the next 10 years. Exactly. I just see feel like we're causing another issue. Then you're going to have QT upset because how are people going to go in and out of QT if we change? No, this they would just put a tiny little median right that crosses just across in anortte. It wouldn't go all the way to QT. It can be done.

just whether I I would say I don't think we should limit lefts in but if anything it should just be right out with a pork chop installed on Camino del Norte yeah that would work too so no lefts out yeah no lefts out because now with this road you can go over to comminocard and make your left there if you're going left exactly instead of trying to everybody does that you better the reasonable you better because it'll take forever to take my left take that left out takes forever. Yeah. I don't know. I feel like there's just there's more work to do. It's not ready. And maybe they applicant can take back all these comments and bring it back to us with I can't particularly I mean if it's if this was a two-story building make it modern that you know but but I just can't I can't uh you know what I take that back. I still think that that they should stick with that southwest style there. This is where it is. This is our little southwest style piece. We've got modern in other places. We've got, you know, we've got other designs in other places. And I just particularly the other thing that crosses my mind is this is one of the main entrances into the community. So, do we look like a hodgepodge or do we look like a southwest city or, you know, and you could say it's not very attractive? You know, to me it's has character. That's going to be an argument, but to but I just I can't get myself over it. But you've heard that now three times. So, but don't you think that the the Dutch Brothers and the Popeyes looks like a clown show there? Well, I think I think Dutch Brothers was

You want my opinion? Really? I You think I think Dutch Brothers was intentionally intentionally looks like a clown show. I mean it it sticks out where every one of them but it's but to me and again I wouldn't if if I had known this was a P A that had that requirement I would have never approved it. I did I wasn't on one that that was approved. I don't recall it. Um the other two. So you've got you know Cracker Barrel Western style. Okay. That's not, you know, it's not that far away from a right from And then the other one has um um rock block walls. Yeah. Well, then you got the the arco to me. That's pretty close. The arco has the roof. They have a they have a they have a that was and I think that's all you're asking for, right? Something reasonable. If it Yes. If it looked like that, I wouldn't have I wouldn't I would feel better. Okay, I won't say I'll I'll be honest. The brick maybe, but I will say I would I would really hate for this to not develop mainly for the fact that when you drive in there currently, it doesn't look great, right? And so this at least is it's they're coming to us with something that's going to improve the look of it whether it's a modern style or a southwest style. It's going to look better. And so as to your point being a gateway rather than having a bunch of empty pads, I think it would be better to have something even if it doesn't necessarily match the current architectural style of a building that honestly turns its back on Florence Boulevard and doesn't really provide that Spanish architectural southwest style to the front. provides it to its parking lot that you have to go into

your parking lot to see it. And so that's No, you will see three two and a half stories when you drive up. I'm talking about the existing Oh, the existing factory outlet building there. That architectural style, it's only facing inward. It's not really facing outward towards Florence Boulevard and Commino Marcato. They have a really nice pretty little and then you could see the AC units behind it when you're on Florence. And so that's that's what I'm talking about. You know, it's it Well, if if I if I believed that this would be that this would be the last proposal for that lot, I would have that concern. I don't believe that. Number one, I don't believe that. And number two, if you go half a football field or maybe a football field further down, it's vacant on all sides. So, yes, I I like filling in. And that one is particularly ugly. I'm um but I but it's the entrance. But the other thing to your point you and I disagree for once. It never go ahead. But the other thing to your point of you know you don't think it'll it'll sit for very long. I mean it has sat for a very long time. So much so to the point that a whole new mall developed on the other side of the interstate and that has continued to attract new development. I mean there's an apple bees now going in. So this side, the west side has not attracted that same kind of interest that the east side has. And so how much and then the east side still has developable pads in it. And so how much more does the east side develop before they finally decide, okay, we're going to go on to the west side. Right now we have somebody in front of us saying, "We're going to take these ugly pads, put landscaping DG in there. They're okay making do a nicer looking fence and they're going to put a modern building on it. Sure, it's not the Southwest style, but it's a modern looking building that looks nice. Uh I mean, you can look at the Holiday in Express just

down the street that was recently built behind the uh Texas Roadhouse. Very similar look to this. And so that's where I think extended say America is owned by Holiday and I don't remember the one behind Texas Roadhouse. I mean, I'm talking about the architectural style. I don't talk, but this one you can't get in and out of at the moment. I mean, the the roads are horrible. I mean, I'm not I'm not concerned about the building. That's fine, too. It's literally just the roads getting in and out. The one behind Texas Roadhouse, it's four lanes. You can go in and out. It's perfect. They set that up fine. This literally, you're going to have people coming right now just trying to get out of the um the Arco station or whatever the station is. It's a pain in the butt. And then you have that you go in if you're heading west, you can't. They have a turn in and turn out or I don't know what it is. It's some funky thing. The pork chop. Yeah, exactly. You know, people are trying to turn into it. You're really not supposed to be turning into it, but people are turning into it and then it's just a mess. And I can't imagine adding this to the to the mess. I want something there, but I think we need to fix the roads first, you know? So, so what goes through my mind is yours is it is it is very obvious to me that you and I have different time perspectives because my mind still says that's Mr. Hennis's cottonfield. So, as far as the time perspective about how long it's going to be, it's still coming and for us old guys. It's moving pretty good. It'll it'll come. It'll come, but you know, fair. That's an ugly lot. It is ugly. But I think that we are at a

point in the city's development of, you know, of what we've planned that we can be a little pickier now. you know, we we can have a little more say and not just say we welcome anybody and everybody and anything you want to do, we're going to approve. So, I don't disagree. Okay, chairman. I'll make a motion. See, nobody wants to be the front of the news article. I'm just kidding. Chairman, I'll make a motion. Can you bring the uh the uh last slide up, Jim? Oh, Sam. Thank you. Chairman, I'm going to make a motion to um deny DSA 25 0012 one two or one three one three. It's just weird that we're doing the threes before the twos here. Yes. DSA 250013. Before we vote on that, let's let's get a second. Second. Thank you. discussion. Could we maybe possibly make it an approval with stipulations that remove the proposed pad amendments so that if they wanted to do this, they can still go ahead and do it, but it's going to have to be in the southwest architectural style that you're wanting. Well, no. I'd like to see it. That's what because this this this motion is to

Right. That that is to change is to not change that P A. Yeah. But I'm asking if maybe we approve the amendment to the PAD with the stipulation that architectural style walls and fences that those aspects of the PD that they're amending are the same as they are today while the rest of what they're asking to be amended is amended. No, but we still stuck with the road problem. Could the road the road problem would be the next Yeah, I'm not sure we're solving the road problem, right? The the road problem it would be really part of the next action, right? The master the Yeah. major site plan in my opinion. We have an attorney, but he's very quiet over there. Ultimately, uh you know, generally we look at the roads as part of the major site plan. Um, but I do believe our PA AD requirements also allow you to look at those roads, you know, as part of a decision whether to amend the PAD. So, you can really consider it at either point, but generally uh this commission has considered um primarily the roadway issues when it gets to the major site plan if it does tonight. Yeah, that's my mind says. So, um, my only challenge with with trying to make that adjustment is I'm not sure that well, number one, trying to get all the language right while we're sitting here. That's that's a big one. And then number two, I'm not sure that we're all in. To me, it feels like we're not we're there's so many different pieces of what we agree with and what we don't. You agree with this part? I agree with that. She doesn't like that part. So that was not saying we can't. Yeah.

Just saying that. Okay. Anything else on the motion is to deny um the request for D changing. Let's see. We're not changing. We're accepting this new P A. Correct. But you made a motion to deny to deny, right? To deny changing that P A. Okay. Okay. Motion to second. Any more discussion? Okay. Please call the role. Member Smith. Yes. Member Alder. Nay. Member Vender Hayden. No. Member Huard. Yes. Member Peters. Nay. Vice Chair Garza. I. Chairman Benedict. Wow. Split me, didn't it? Um, yes. So, SR P A remains the same. This was a motion to disapprove that request. And next is the major site plan or do we act on it? Yeah, without the Oh, go ahead. I say without the the zoning. Um I don't believe this major site plan is in a position for the for the commission to really be able to hear uh because it's it's the elevations are going to be wrong. Um you didn't approve the height uh change to this. So it's really not in a condition that you can do. You could potentially table it or I was going to say should we would it be better order for us to table it? I certainly could table it in case they want to come back with, you know, some changes, but it's going to be a significant changes to the site plan for them to uh to meet the current P A. And I'm not sure if Dan or

or James have anything further on that. Well, and they could try the wording on changing the PA AD and come back come back with, you know, a different structure of the changes of the PA AD and have the same similar discussion, I would guess. But, um, what's your advice on do we do I ask for a motion or or do we just let it drop? And I mean, you could I I want to guess I get Dan's opinion on it as well. I mean, because he has something that he wants. We would prefer that you move forward with a motion and a vote on the site plan as well. Okay. Okay. So, yeah. Go ahead, chairman. I'll make a motion to deny DSA 250012. Okay, I second. All right, get a motion and a second. Any discussion? Hearing none, please call the role. Member Smith, yes. Member Alderret, nay. Member Vender Hayden, no. Member Hubard, yes. Member Peters, nay. Vice Chair Garza, I. Chairman Benedict, Yes. Yeah, we need to clean that rest of that up. All right. Hope you guys can put something together that will make more of us happy. We don't we're, you know, as you can hear, we're not against the project. You know, we're we'd love to see something there. It just needs to fit a little better. Thank you. Okay. Okay, next. Uh, yeah, planning director. Thank you, M. Thank you, Mr. Chairman, members of the

commission. Um, so I did promise you tablets by this meeting and, uh, I don't know if they haven't been delivered or it is busy. Um, so definitely by next meeting, we'll have you some tablets and some little stands. Um, we'll look at adding to the memorandum if there are any current code violations on a parcel or a development. Appreciate that. On a parcel that you're uh considering and that's really all I have unless staff has anything. I have a question on the tablets. Are the are they just going to stay here or do we are we able to take them home to so we can watch look at everything watch everything? Yeah, I kind of assume everybody here has computer at home. They can look at the agenda. I'm gonna keep the tablets because we will need them for other commissions like the board of adjustment. And so I don't understand the point of the tablet. Then the point the point of the tablet is so we're not going to print your I know. But I like to read this before I like to read this before I come here and then so I'm know you know so I have a computer I can do the same thing. Mhm. I think it's just so they don't have to print a copy for all of us here at the meeting. Oh, got it. Okay. So, you can bring your paper and have a tablet. I know. No, no. Okay. Okay. Got it. Okay. Did you guys I noticed there's a lot of drone footage here. Did you guys get a new drone? Did the city get a new drone? The photography is great. Yes, we did get a new drone and um staff's being trained up on it and we'll be licensed. So, you'll be seeing nice more drone footage. And if um if there's anything more specific you want to see in the presentations from the drone, just let us know. Yeah, good deal. The picture from yesterday showed the the nice dark cloud, the nice dark sky. We don't see that too often. No. And another question is is there an ETA on target?

We want No, there is not. Is there a reason why there is not? I don't uh I don't know for sure. Um, we've heard maybe the rumors that you have heard as well. I could say I can say that they have been in communicate communicating with Jim about some some details about the site, but um I don't want to give the impression that they're moving forward. It's we just don't know yet. Okay. So, uh question I'd have um if you were done. I am done. Thank you. Yeah. Okay. So, the council, did they go contrary to our recommendations on anything? Not that I'm aware of. No, I can't remember. I can't remember them all. So, I But it's just always interesting for me to know whether, you know, helps me know what they're thinking. Sure. I don't remember the last few meetings I've been to. I don't remember. Um Oh, you've been Oh, you've been busy. But I'll definitely uh make a note of anything that the council might disagree with you on and vote another way. Good. Okay. And report that. And do we have the development report? What did I do with my coffee? I'll do. Is that my Oh, you took it. All right. Okay. Anything else? Commissioners for the good of the order. All right, we are adjourned. Thank you.