City Council - Regular Meeting

Good evening everyone. Oh, hello. Wake up. Wake up. We're all here. Um, good evening. Thank you for being here today. We're going to go ahead and start our study sh session and we'll go ahead and start with the city manager's office. Larry

on effluent on the development of an effluent allocation strategy and the overall influence in our in our water future. And uh I'm excited tonight to introduce our our guest who's going to be assisting us in this endeavor. I had mentioned at the last meeting that we had built a team around these various components uh as as the council works toward uh some resolve on an allocation strategy. But I'd like to introduce Katherine Sorenson who is the director of research at the Kyle Center for Water Policy at the Morrison Institute. Uh Katherine served for many years as the director of Phoenix Water Service as well as the director of the city of Mesa Water Resources Department. In these roles, she was responsible for the delivery of safe, clean, reliable water for millions of Arizonans and significantly advanced the sound water management of water resources in Arizona and the Colorado River Basin. Katherine earned a P PhD in agriculture and resource economics from Texas A&M University and a bachelor's of arts in economics from University of Michigan. in her position at Arizona State University and Mayor Pro Timban. I did promise her that you would take it easy on her as a as an employee at ASU. She oversees the research efforts of the Kyle Center for Water Policy, serves as a professor of practice at the Watts College of Public Service and Community Solutions and as a senior global future scientist at the Julie Anne Wrigley Global Futures Laboratory. She is a member of the Colorado River Research Group and a board member of the Greater Phoenix Phoenix Phoenix Phoenix Economic Council. And so obviously brings a lot of credentials with her. We're excited to have her as part of the team tonight. She's going to be going through our next phase uh in in in this process. And uh and I mean tonight we're we'll be encouraging the council. This is not a decision item, but certainly direction as we move through some of the

discussion points that Katherine has, but we're excited to have her here. And Katherine, with that, I'll hand off the baton.

Thank you for that very kind introduction. That's very nice. And thank you, mayor, uh, council members, for trusting us to have this very important conversation with you. I know this means a lot to your community. Water, of course, is a really big deal all throughout Arizona. I know you have some very hefty decisions that weigh on you um and that you want to do what's best for your community. So, we just feel very blessed to be part of this conversation. So, thank you for that. Um in case you don't know about it, uh the Kyle Center for Water Policy has a really great tool that you can use for this conversation and for other conversations related to water. It's called the Arizona Water Blueprint. You can see the web address there. It has um I don't know six gazillion layers um in a GIS application all related to different water issues and and I think they can help you kind of navigate some of these issues and and others as they come up. I know you guys have been through uh a lot of the basics on and in fact more than just the basics on reclaimed water, but I wanted to rehash just a couple uh for you and for anyone who might be watching in the in the community. Effluent of course is water that's collected in a sanitary sewer and um treated for subsequent use. And fortunately for you guys and and for other communities across Arizona, um, effluent has kind of a special place in Arizona water law. It is not groundwater and it's not surface water. This actually comes out of a Supreme Court ruling uh brought by John Long, the developer. Um and basically because of this ruling, municipalities or whoever creates the reclaimed water has the sole right to dispose of it or sell it in whatever

manner they see fit. So that gives you guys a lot of flexibility to work with this very valuable resource. It is not subject to surface water laws. You don't have to worry about the department of you know um water resources in managing groundwater. It is yours to do with as you see fit. DEEQ, the Arizona Department of Environmental Quality does regulate its quality. Um, and there are varying levels of quality. Class C kind of being the lowest, class A being highest. Um, what you can do with reclaimed water depends on the quality that you treat it to. here. You guys treat it to a very high standard and can do pretty much anything you want with it except for drink it. And that's kind of coming next. Um the city of Phoenix and other cities in the Phoenix area are actually um investing a a very large amount of water to what they call advanced water purification so that eventually their reclaimed water can actually be introduced into the tap water system. So I don't know maybe maybe someday coming to your community. Okay. Your general options for uh reuse of effluent of course you can discharge it. Um that can create an environmental benefit or aesthetic benefit for the community. People love to be around water. Um it can be a really nice thing. You can sell it for direct use to whomever you decide. You can deliver it to a groundwater savings facility which would be a local irrigation district. Um if you deliver it to a local irrigation district and they use it in lie of using groundwater then you can um receive what are called long-term storage credits for that groundwater. Um and those credits could be dedicated to development or you can sell those as well. Or of course you can recharge it underground which is one

of the things that you do with your reclaimed water today. and um like coming to you someday soon up in Phoenix, you can drink it. Those are kind of your basic options. Um you guys know this, but currently you do deliver some to Santa Cruz Wash. Uh you're recharging a fair amount of it, which is great, and I I think that has given you a lot of options for your designation of assured water supply. Um it is a tremendous value to your uh municipal golf course and for power generation as well. Why your effluent is valuable? Well, I mean, honestly, all water in Arizona is valuable, but of course here in Cassagran, you're in the panel active management area. Uh farmers in the area are allowed to deplete groundwater without replenishment, but basically no one else is. Um and the uh groundwater management laws that you are subject to really and help encourage uh commercial industrial municipal uses to use renewable water supplies instead of depleting groundwater. Um and of course um development and subdivision of land in this area is subject to the 100year shred water supply requirements. I know you guys will have a more in-depth conversation about that uh with Arizona Water Company and and other developers. Um, of course, it if you recharge it, it becomes um a long-term storage credit and that is something that you can either dedicate for development or sell. It has a lot of value. But I think probably one of the the most important reasons why your effluent is so valuable right now is that um the department of water resources gosh it's been almost three years ago now came out with a new model of the groundwater here in the panel active management area. About a year later they

came out with a similar model in the Phoenix area. And what both those models show is that the groundwater in the area is all basically spoken for. I would use the word allocate. I would say all the groundwater has been allocated. But in Arizona, we don't technically allocate groundwater. So I have to be a little careful how we say that. But basically it means someone is already depending on it or or is intending to depend on it and it's all kind of been spoken for. And that really means that um as you as I'm sure you're aware that developers can no longer very easily just um send a hydraologic model to the Department of Water Resources proving that they have groundwater beneath their developments and then join the Central Arizona Groundwater Replenishment District to meet a a 100-year assured water supply requirements. They can no longer do the easy thing. They have to now be looking at much more difficult or much more expensive ways to subdivide land um and develop and still maintain compliance with assured water supply rules. I this is from the Arizona Water Blueprint. Um, just for folks online or anyone who might be paying attention to this conversation, um, this I tried to overlay the boundaries of the local, uh, municipal water providers, which in your case is largely Arizona water company, and then you have kind of your your own municipal water boundaries a little bit to the west of where we are right here. But this um, kind of matches up the municipal water supply boundaries with the political boundaries. And um not surprisingly, this is very common across Arizona. The boundaries of your municipal water providers don't exactly match up with the boundaries of the city

itself. Very common. And so I know you guys have a lot of conversations about um where development takes place within or outside all of these different kinds of boundaries and what that means to your community. So, um, regardless of, uh, what kind of strategy this council decides to go with, there are just some general considerations that are probably common to all of the strategies that you might pursue. Of course, um you guys have the the um I would say unenviable task of trying to decide to what degree you want to realize immediate economic and environmental and quality of life benefit for your community today and to what degree do you want to leave open opportunities for future generations? And that's a really difficult thing to weigh, right? um because there is merit in both and there are real trade-offs and consequences involved in those decisions particularly when it comes to water. But of course you'll decide your strategy based on those general priorities always you want to be fair. You want I'm sure you have a fantastic city attorney who is going to uh scold you if uh you don't follow proper procurement laws and we always have to be careful of that and transparency. Um, of course it's important to have a very open public dialogue. This is really important to the community as you know. So these are the types of priorities that um city councils generally think about when they when they think about allocating water. Of course, um, one of the most important, um, uses for water is just for public health and and that means not just safe, reliable tap water, but also firefighting. Um, and and

making sure that we're maintaining those systems. And, um, you know, one of the nice things about using reclaimed water is that to the extent you use it, you're offsetting non-renewable groundwater supplies, which are are very precious here in in Panel County. um environmental protection, public amenities, but housing developments as I mentioned um when I talked about the um new assured water supply challenges um it is much more difficult for developers to get those uh certificates and designations now and um but that's that's important to your community. Affordability is an issue. You know, we of course want to make sure that people are able to realize, you know, the American dream. So dedicating reclaimed water to that effort is is also really important. And then of course industries bring jobs and who doesn't want a job, right? Um so that's really important as well. Okay, I'm just going to throw out some ideas and um I'm hoping you guys interrupt me frequently or as necessary because this is really your time. There's um of course many different ways that you can allocate your reclaimed water. And I think that trying to figure out who should get water and why and under what conditions and at what price is probably one of the most important conversations that we can have as a community in Arizona. So no pressure. Okay. First come, first serve. And I will tell you that historically has been how a lot of water in Arizona has been allocated. Surface water, groundwater, and reclaimed water. A great example of that is that um you know back in the 60s and 70s um the you know the reclaimed water that was generated in central Arizona, they just were letting it run down the river. They really didn't know what to do with

it. along comes the Palivvery nuclear generating station and they say hey we can use this in our cooling towers. Well, there wasn't a lot of public debate about well should we do that? Should we not do that? It was like no one else wants this. You're here first. We're going to give it to you, right? Um so and so it's a very valid method of allocation and and it does have some real benefits. Um, you can realize immediate revenue like people get here and say, "Yes, I want this water and I'm willing to pay today." Um, that can be a real boost for city coffers. Um, you can meet immediate development needs and it's relatively easy to administer, right? If you're here first, you get it. But the the big disadvantage to that is that you might foreclose opportunities that come at a later time. So if um a microchip factory which brings a lot of jobs comes to your community at a later period of time and says, "Hey, you know, we want to locate here um and we need some water." You might have already allocated all the water that would have otherwise been available for that development. Maybe that development never arises, right? That's the the difficult part of deciding whether this is a good way to allocate. But but it's it's a consideration. The other thing is and this actually happened with um my example of Palverie nuclear generating station is at the time that water was sold really cheap, right? And it wasn't I don't know maybe 10 years later that the city started figuring out oh my goodness, you know, I could have sold that water for a lot more money. Um so that those are really tough things to weigh. The other way that you could um think about it would be to kind of go with a first come first serve type of

allocation, but set aside specific amounts for specific sectors or purposes. So, for example, maybe um housing shortages are a really big deal in your community and you really want to make sure that you can, you know, ameliorate some of that and and make housing more affordable in your community. You could potentially set aside a certain amount of the reclaimed water. I'm just going to throw out a number 30% and say 30% is going to be saved for development, for housing development because that's really important to our community. And so we're not going to dole it out first come first serve. We're going to always save that 30%. But within that 30%, whichever developments come forward first can get um first dibs on that water. we're going to set aside 40% for industrial uses because we want jobs etc. And um this I think is is kind of a nice um middle ground because you are um prioritizing the thing the developments and and job creation and other values in your community that are most important uh to the people that you serve. Uh but it's but you're also realizing some immediate revenue and getting some immediate development off the ground. But on the con um if you know if you don't set aside enough like let's say you set aside 40% for industrial development but then that turns out not to be enough um because there's so much more industrial development in the area with lots of jobs then that can be a real downside. And of course, to the extent you're not allocating and selling the reclaimed water up front, um you're getting less money up front as well. Um you can think about allocating to the highest economic benefit. Um I will tell you some cities, um in the Phoenix area,

Chandler is is a really great example of this. Um this is what they've gone to over time. um not just with reclaimed water, but with all their water. They've they um have kind of taken a stance that we're really only going to serve certain uses if you can show us that, you know, you're bringing a certain number of jobs or a certain valuable community amenity. Um if you're really you we're only going to dedicate water to you if we think you're you're worth it, what you bring to the table. And obviously um that has a lot of appeal. Um I think it's worked relatively well for Chandler, but Chandler is also very built out, right? So they can kind of be picky. Um it's so I think it it has worked very well for them. I think it can work well uh for Cassagrand as well, but it's also a little bit difficult to know exactly what those um highest and best purposes are going to be over time and they might change, right? Because the values and the concerns of your community change over time as well. This is also um a little bit more difficult to administer um if you think about your staff and kind of what they have to to go through. the cities up in Phoenix that follow this uh in the Phoenix area that follow this kind of allocation type of method, you know, it comes with a lot of paperwork, right? And and that's not a bad thing. They just they're doing their due diligence. Um but it's something to think about. Um and again if you're dedicating your water um for a point in time when the entity brings you know a certain number of jobs or certain economic benefit to your community then you're giving up you know revenue in the meantime as well. So that can be kind of tough to balance.

Um, you you could think about allocating over time. And what I mean by that is you could take a set period of time, and again, just throwing out numbers, you could say, okay, for the next 20 years, we're only going to allocate half of our reclaimed water, and we're going to do that intentionally because we think that, you know, in the future, it might be more valuable or we don't know what uh the concerns or values of of future stakeholders might be. It does keep your options open, right? Um and and it does um give the freedom for future councils, right, to decide that maybe they value something different than you value today. But I will tell you this this can be problematic for a lot of reasons. one is of course you're potentially giving up some immediate revenue, but also um the developers that want to build subdivisions and and certainly Arizona Water Company who um owns the municipal u water service territory, they prefer longer contracts for reclaimed water because it gives them that certainty and certainty is really important for investment, right? Um, so you'll probably get a fair amount of push back on that, but it's something to keep in mind as well. Um, so those are the ones I could kind of come up with. Uh, you could take m, you know, mix and match any of those or or um, come up with something entirely different. But no matter what, I also wanted to bring to your attention some some considerations. Um, having so I actually as a much younger professional participated in the second round of negotiations for reclaimed water sales to the Palivvery nuclear generating station. And so I learned a couple of things along the

way. Um, but one of the mistakes that we had kind of made in the the very first contract with Palivvery is there really wasn't much of an escalator on the price and there really wasn't a way to kind of reopen the contract as conditions changed materially. Now again, that's a tradeoff with certainty, right? Because people also need certainty to make economic investments in your community. But it's nice to have at least a little flexibility baked in uh to be able to um react as conditions change. The other thing that you might want to think about is making sure you write your contract so that um the person that you're potentially selling the reclaimed water to is not just turning around and flipping it, right? Like a house, right? Like great, I got this house really cheap from you. Now I'm going to resell it. Um you want to think about survivors and interest. um because whoever you sell to uh today might be an a different corporate entity in the future. So you want to be thinking about that. Um the other thing to think about is take is what we call take or pay. And this these types of clauses are really common in um municipal water contracts of this nature. and that is that you have you can make the p the purchaser pay a certain amount whether they take the water or not because of course you're going to have administrative costs potentially capital costs depending on um how you generate the reclaimed water and what you do with it. So you want to make sure you're at least recovering some certain amount whether they actually take delivery of the water or not. We talked a little bit about the length of contract. That's a that's a tough one. um shorter contracts keep your options open,

but they also really do disincentivize um economic development. So that's just that's a tough trade-off. But you might also want to think about curtailment provisions. These are are more common in in tap water delivery terms and conditions, but um it might be at some point um that you know the drought on the Colorado River gets bad enough, conditions on the ground get bad enough that um you might you might literally need that water just to meet tap water needs. And so you you might want to think about that as well. And then um I would add too efficiency and reuse requirements. So if you sell to a major industrial user um you want to make sure as an example that they are using that water as efficiently as they can, right? That that they are using the best science and the best management uh practices that are available to them. And you want to make sure to the degree that they save water that you know you have you potentially have a means to recoup the saved water and sell it to someone else. Right? So those are all things to to think about as you go through this process. Um so yeah you guys are kind of in the catboard seat which is kind of fun right? Like it's really valuable

say that right? It's really valuable. You can do whatever you want with it. Um, but yeah, but a lot this is a heavy responsibility. There's a lot of things to think through here and that's all I have. I'm happy to answer whatever questions you have um as you talk this through.

Thank you, Katherine. Wow, that was very helpful. Um, and like you said, you can tell that you're you're excited. this is what you do but for all of us and at least you're reaffirming you know what we think that it is you know a bit of a heavy burden that we have to make decisions that are so important for the future so um but by being here today we just this thank you this was great presentation so um is there any questions or comments from anyone yeah sure I got I got sure question how right now in the state and all the different uh area cities and everything how is effluent being valued is it being valued on the you know, in the higher demand or is it is it on the open market? Yes.

Yes. Yeah. That right. It Yeah. I I knew this question would come up. Um it's really so water is so inherently local, right? And so and so much of how you deliver and make use of water has depends on the infrastructure. Um that is particularly true for reclaimed water, right? because you need to have the the sewer system in place, the treatment plant, and then pipes to deliver it where it needs to go. Often times that's with gravity, but sometimes with lift stations, right? So,

um depending on your system, it it's it is it is very capital intensive. And so, since it is so location dependent, it it just depends. It just depends. And um boy, you know, so we couldn't really look at like Chandler and say this is what they're charging. This is what they're getting up there. This is what we demand down here kind of deal location to location. I

I think you ought to look at all of it, right? Because at least it gives you a range of, you know, what you see at the low end, which given the volumes probably is Palivvery Nuclear Generating Station. That being said, I haven't looked in a long time, so take that with a grain of salt. But you know, typically larger volume users pay less for reclaim water, right? Typically, not always. So, um, but you want this to see the whole range in some places. Hey, if it's your only option and you know you need the water, it's it's going to go for much much more. um central Arizona project water. So Colorado River water delivered through the cap I think is going for something like $400 an acre foot 450 I can't remember off the top of my head.

Sounds right. Um yeah and but I could make 10 arguments for why reclaimed water should be less and 10 arguments for why it should be more. Right. Yeah. It's a tough one. Thank you. Yeah. And and I should sorry I should also add it also depends um on the price is going to depend on whether you sell it directly through a pipeline to a a major user or whether you recharge it create the long-term storage credits and then sell the long-term storage credits. Those are probably going to be two different prices as well. Okay. Yeah. Well, thank you. Yeah. Other questions, comments? Sure. Matt,

I got a couple. Um this is fantastic presentation. helped me a lot. I think we're doing pretty good from some stuff we've been dealing with. So, it made me feel better. Answer helps us ask more questions, the right ones. Um, and I liked your hierarchy. I'll say hierarchy of use for public, you know, public health first and then I mean arguably you can make your own, right? Yeah. How you said, but I I think the one thing you hit on was like a combination of those different those different allocation strategies. Um but going forward as with the A dot everything's getting even more convoluted. So where do you see it going with effluent created by a neighbor a development? They're saying well that's our effluent now.

So do you do you have any predictions because I know you number one in innovation good school that you work for. So I'm sure you've you've talked about it a bit right? So, okay, that that gets really tricky there. What you can do there legally um gets tricky and and I don't want to get out ahead of your I know we've talked about it city attorney. What have you what have you seen?

Um so, in the Phoenix area, I have seen attempts by developers to keep and maintain that reclaimed water. you know, a lot of times they want to build a golf course or have other public parks and amenities that, you know, increase the value of the house and

that they're trying to sell and and that's good, right? I I um though amenities are nice, right? They they um create a nice community. So, that makes sense. But um there are also depending on the development you you have to be a little bit careful about who ends up running those treatment works over the long term. Um a lot of them you know are really small like 0.5 MGD 1 MGD and sometimes they'll try to turn the long-term maintenance of that over to like the local HOA or something like that. that that could work really well, but also could over the long term create a public health hazard. Now,

in the Phoenix area, and I believe in Panel County, but I I want to be really careful because I might be wrong about that, but in the Phoenix area, that is all kind of governed by committee under the Clean Water Act. And so um through the Maricopa Association of Governments and so there's some so the cities and municipal water providers have some say about how um developers construct and maintain those wastewater treatment plants. And that gives them some leverage to sometimes say no no we're not you know going to let you do this. But, you know, a lot of times developers want that that reclaim order because it does create an amenity for the community and I mean that's a nice thing. So,

I think one the biggest thing I got is using effluent to prevent using groundwater, right? It's kind of one of the best because it hits public health, it hits the groundwater, it hits the ecology. So yeah, moving on from that, another thing you use Chandler as an example for

and I'm thinking like so if this big company comes in, if a nuclear power plant comes into castr, which no one's looking at it by the way, or like a data center or someone that wants a lot of effluent water, is it is it outside the realm for them to say, "Hey, I want I want to buy your effluent and I'll buy it and also I'll give you a park and a I mean, is that how they do it in Chandler? Is that kind of what you're talking about or is it more like we're going to use it for this and create this many jobs or is it just blatant like well it is most in in Chandler in particular is mostly solely focused on water right like and and the number of jobs that you're going to bring. So jobs is the one of the big

Yes. But that being said, of course, as you know, a a corporate public body, you have a lot of leverage to make demands in any development agreement that you enter into, right? And and yeah, you could decide like, hey, no, I I mean, jobs are great, but what we really want are public parks or what we really need or is more housing, right? That's yeah, but I think again not getting out ahead of your journey. I think you have a lot of you have a a lot of room. It's a general general, you know, some stuff that's been going on. So, it's just kind of curious about how that's working for them, which I'm sure we can you can help us with or or we can get with them and see how their development agreements are working out there.

Yeah. Yeah. All right. Sure. Thanks. And and again, I I only play an attorney on TV. I just want to be really really careful. Do not follow my advice.

No. And and I think the examples um have been great. You know, when you when you named all of them, I'm like, "Okay, that one will work. Okay, well, maybe this one. Well, maybe this one." And so, it's definitely give given us some um samples of what we can do and even maybe take pieces of of a few of them. And I think the one that I noticed is when you said when you talked about Chandler and you said um they allocate to the highest economic benefit and over time they have done this. So when you say overtime, so what did they do in the early years? Did they just kind of hold on to it? Did they sign contracts with people for a shorter time? So then they had an out um after 10 years or say, and then um you know, then, you know, picked up some more bigger projects later.

I I would say typically in the Phoenix area, it really has been first come, first serve. Okay. Right. Okay. Um and that just follows the trajectory of efflu effluent um originally being something that people were literally just trying to dispose of exactly to something that's super super valuable. Um effluent is different from tap water in the sense that once you serve um a a house or a business tap water they are your customer forever. You can never not serve them. But effluent contracts are a little different. you you can open those up to to change over time. Yeah. Right. But I would say typically it's been first come first serve.

Okay.

Um and a lot of it has been, you know, economic development has been really important um in central Arizona. That is what most councils want to see. They want the jobs. They want to improve their roads and their street lights and they want all, you know, the community parks and all the benefits that come with it. And so, um, I think they've been happy for the most part to to dedicate that reclaimed water to those types of endeavors and amenities. That really only has started to change, I would say, in the last, you know, 5 to 10 years where people are kind of taking a look at this and going like, "Wow, you know, that things are getting really tight on the Colorado River. The groundwater's allocated. You know, this this has a much bigger value than we had maybe realized,

right? Yeah. And that's what we're seeing too. And you know, we we get from so many different people, well, you don't want to give it to them and you don't want to give it to them. And you know, so that's why we're trying to put together this strategy, you know, an allocation strategy. Yeah. And of course, you want to be careful because and and I'm sure you guys are aware of this, but you cities always have to be careful to treat um customers who are roughly in the same circumstance with roughly the same terms and conditions or else you kind of open yourselves up to right, you know, um some trouble, right? So, yeah. Yes.

Okay. Any other questions? No questions, Larry. So, do you have Madam Mayor, I I do have one question uh uh really related to recharge and the earning of longterm storage credits. I I every a lot of the items that you talked about this evening, Katherine, we're filling today. Um, and there's a lot of similarities in Kas Grande, but I as as I as I step away from an allocation of effluent and just consider effluent in general, how important is a recharge philosophy andor a strategy for recharging any available effluent that may not be reused or sold or allocated.

So, I I'm glad you asked that because, you know, I talked about capital costs and cap and how capital intensive these endeavors can be. It's really really expensive to build a pipeline, right? And and to do a direct delivery. Um recharging reclaimed water can be one of the less expensive and most flexible means to make use of the reclaimed water. Um not that recharge facilities are cheap, they're certainly not, but they tend to be less expensive than transmission systems and pipelines. And once you create that long-term storage credit, it is you it is fully fungeible, right? can sell it wherever you want to sell it. And so it does create a lot of flexibility. Um but of course the way it the other thing to think about is that the only way that um an industry or housing development can make use of a long-term storage credit is by, you know, dedicating it to their assured their certificate of assured water supply, which is great, but pumping it out of a well, right? it it physically it it's a piece of paper but it comes it it is something you pump out of a well um and you might have customers that need direct deliveries right that for whatever reason can't or don't want to um depend on pumping a well so that would be but no it's a really really flexible way to make use of your reclaimed water okay

and mayor and mayor and council I bring that up for a couple of reasons number one I wanted Katherine's opinion on that, but ultimately uh as you all know, we have a area of hydraological impact to our recharge facility today. Um and and and so essentially to in order to obtain those longterm long-term storage credits, we would need to have a recovery well within that hydra hydraological impact area, which again will will very likely as we continue down this path begin to drive some of the discussions about whether or not we should be piping it to other locations and recharge in other locations uh to achieve maximum use. But

again, for another day. But just just making sure that we're trying to provide sufficient information to you as we're moving through these decisions. I I believe that they can make use of the long-term storage credits outside of that area of hydraologic impact, but there's just some disadvantages to doing so, right? So, it might affect the price and right and other things. Yeah. Okay. Anything else then from us, Larry?

No. Mayor, I if certainly if there's if there if the council has is leaning anywhere, if there's if you have any thoughts, I know tonight we've provided you with a lot of information. Um ultimately, I just share that in the context that at our next study session, we're going to have Arizona Water Company here to begin to talk about the the new program, the alternative designation of assured water supply known as ADAS. Uh again, we thought that that would be important for the council to understand what the expectations of that program are going to be and what I think the reliance on effluence effluent is it's going to drive some of that

and um and so they will be here at our next study session to make that presentation and then ultimately from there the next step is really begin to try to dial in the the the council's preference on on the allocation method that we would like to begin to study and perhaps even to get a model for the council uh for you to understand what might be allocated already, what is ultimately available as we put them into each of those buckets, if you will, for a lack of better words. So, I have a quick question. You talked about other cities. Do a large number of cities have these strategies put in place?

That's a really good question about reclaimed water in particular. I don't not that I am aware of. Okay. Um but that doesn't mean no. Um the example I use for Chandler of allocating to the highest economic benefit, that is what they use for their tap water.

Um a lot of their reclaimed water um originally went to Intel, right? Um and uh a lot of the a lot of the cities in the Phoenix area decided to build what you know, purple pipe systems or what they're called, right? It's a it's a distribution system separate from tap water. So you can deliver the reclaimed water to parks and schools and things like that. So they will have and and when you do that it literally becomes like a separate utility, right?

Um and they will have rates that are you know particular to those utilities and and those Yeah. Just kind of depending on the circumstance. Um a a couple of cities don't have those. Phoenix is one. Phoenix does not have a purple pipe system um because most of their reclaimed water goes to the nuclear power station and they intend to go to direct portable reuse. Um and the city of Mesa mostly exchanges their reclaimed water with the Hila River Indian community. So there there's a whole bunch of strategies.

Um but that's why it would be really good to get a really broad look at what the different prices are and kind of what you know what other cities are doing. But to my knowledge and boy but I could be wrong. I don't think that they a lot of them have like a particular strategy. They just have a a reclaimed water utility. Does that make sense? Okay.

And and madame mayor, if I can just build on that, Katherine's absolutely right. Right. At least from our research, very few have an allocation strategy. One of the uniquenesses in Kasa Grande is many of the cities that that we've referred to this evening are the water provider as well. Right. So they're ultimately they're they're establishing a water policy with a heavy reliance on effluent. We find ourselves in a little bit of a different situation with a private water provider in our region at least for some of the uh for some of Casran the majority of the the city limits. But I I think that's what really drives the reason why they don't have one today. We we may be we may be uh blazing new new ground here.

Yes, exactly. you get to learn from everyone else's mistakes, which is kind of nice. No, but but the these examples were great. So, thank you very much. As we move forward, it'll be very helpful. My pleasure. Thank you again for including the Kyle Center for Water Policy. Thank you. Thank you. Okay, so um I guess that's it with the study session. We'll go ahead and break until 7 o'clock. Okay. Who's doing the I got a message, right?

Good evening everyone. Welcome. Thank you for being here this evening. We're going to go ahead and start the council meeting and we're going to start with the invocation from Rabbi Isaac Grossman and he's the administrator of Etheim schools for boys and girls at the junior and junior rabbi of the Jewish council of Cassagran. We'll have him come up and then if you can all if you're willing and able to stand, we'll follow that with the pledge of allegiance. Honorable Mayor Lisa, esteemed legislators and distinguished guests, it is a true privilege and honor to stand before you tonight to offer the invocation as we begin this important meeting. On a personal note, my journey from New York to Casag Grand just a few years ago was a decision made with hope and great anticipation. My wife and I moved here seeking a better future, affordable lifestyle, and a safe, nurturing environment for our family. We are blessed with seven beautiful children, and just one month ago, we welcomed our youngest into the world. Today also marks my 15th wedding anniversary, a milestone my wife and I are delighted to celebrate with all of you in the city we now call home. Since arriving, we have been warmly embraced and we are truly happy with the choice we made to join this wonderful city. Thank you for making us part of the Kasa Grand family. And with that, I want to take a moment to acknowledge the Almighty, the one who made our journey here possible. It was not easy. The same almighty God who guided my family to Kasag Grand is the one I now ask to bless this city, its leaders, and this gathering.

Almighty God, creator of heaven and earth. We thank you for the gift of this community, for the city of Kasagran, and for the people who call it home. We are grateful for the opportunities you place before us and for the freedoms that allow us to gather openly and responsibly in your presence. May it be your will to bless our mayor, legislators, and all who serve the public. Grant them wisdom to lead with clarity, integrity, to act with fairness and compassion to hear every voice. May their decisions be guided by justice and peace. and by a sincere desire to do what is right. Bless the residents of this city, our families, our children, our seniors, and all who live here. May Casag Grand continue to be a place of safety, growth, and unity, where neighbors look out for one another and differences are met with respect. Almighty God, just as you have guided journeys before us, guide this meeting tonight. Let the words spoken here be thoughtful, the intention sincere, and the outcomes beneficial for all. And may your presence bring peace to this chamber, strength to those who lead, and blessing to this city. God bless Kasagran, and God bless America. Amen.

Amen.

May, may I have the floor for a moment? Uh last week I made an announcement about the passing of our friend John Ellsworth. Uh had a long history with the city of Kasa Grande, our community. Uh he was the uh elected uh justice of the peace of the area. He passed away uh at the end of December. I wanted to announce that his uh memorial service will be this Saturday at uh Crossroads Church on Florence Boulevard. Uh it starts with a uh visitation and viewing at 11:00 and the service uh services will begin at noon. Uh everyone is welcome. Thank you.

Please join me in the pledge of allegiance to the flag of United States of America and to the republic for which it stands. One nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. Thank you, Rabbi. Thank you, Mayor Promillan. And thanks, Bob, for making that announcement. Okay, first item on the agenda are the minutes. Oh, sorry. Um, roll call. You're right. Um, Adriana, if you can please accept for the record that all of the council is present. So, note it. Now, we're on to the minutes.

Mayor Fitz Gibbons, I move to accept for the the record the city council member the city council regular meeting of January 5th, 2026 and accept for the record the minutes for arts and culture commission of December 2nd, 2025 and the planning and zoning commission meeting of December 4th, 2025. Second. Okay, there's been a motion and a second. Is there any further discussion? Okay, if we can um all those in favor, please signify by saying I. I. Any opposed? Okay, motion carries. Next are the claims. Memphis, I move that we approve the claims report for December 30th, 2025 through January 14th, 2026.

Second. There's been a motion and a second. Is there any further discussion? Okay. All those in favor, please signify by saying I. I. I. Any opposed? Okay. Motion carries on the claims. The meeting agenda approval. Any changes to the meeting agenda? Madame Mayor, we have no proposed changes, but a reminder that we will be asking council to convene in executive session. So, you may want to do your reports before before we do so. Okay. Mayor Fitzgiven, I move that we move reports ahead of the executive session on our agenda. Second. Okay, there's been a motion and a second. All those in favor, please signify by saying I.

I. I. Any opposed? Okay. Special presentations. We have swearing in of new officers. Nice to have you all here today. So, if you want to go ahead and come up and I believe Adriana will get that started. I state your name. I Andrew Placencia domly swear domly swear that I do support the United States that I will support the Constitution of the United States

and the laws of the state of Arizona the laws of the state of Arizona and I will therefore true faith and allegiance and I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same to the same and defend them against all enemies and defend them against all enemies foreign and domestic foreign and domestic and that I will faithfully and and I will faithfully and discharge the duties of a police officer. discharge the duties of police officer according to the best of my ability to the best of the best of my ability. Thank you.

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Okay. Okay. Um, next on the agenda is the consent agenda. All items listed with an asterct are considered routine matters and will be enacted by one motion and one roll call vote of the council. There will be no separate discussion of these items unless a council member or member of the public so requests in which event the item will be removed from the consent agenda and considered in its normal sequence of the agenda. Is there anything that the council would like to pull from the consent and staff or members of the public?

Mayor Fitz given, I would move that we accept the uh consent agenda as presented. Second. Okay, there's been a motion and a second. Is there any further discussion? Okay, if we can get a roll call vote, please. Adriana. Council member Romo. Yes. Council member Dugan. Yes. Council member Edwards. Yes. Council member Hston. Yes. Council member Herman. Yes. Mayor Proz Dylan. Yes. Mayor Fitzgiven. Yes. Motion carries.

Okay. Public comments. I have a few speaker cards, but um I did want to read this to kind of tell you what we're doing during this part of the agenda. The Cashran City Council value citizens input. When called, please state your name and address, speak clearly into the microphone, and limit your comments to three minutes or less. In fairness to all speakers, please do not exceed your time. In accordance with the law, the city council cannot respond or discuss items not listed on the agenda, but may direct them to staff upon conclusion of all public comments. So, I'll go ahead and start with the speaker cards that I have. And the first one is um Michelle Robinson. Thank you for coming, Michelle. And I know you have here no address. So um Oh, can you pull the microphone towards you? There you go. Perfect. Yeah. My name is Michelle Robinson. I have no address right now. I'm homeless. But um my point is I live here in Cas Grand. I moved up here in 2011 from Maine. My husband passed away four years ago after 32 years of marriage left me homeless and I have no place to go and this law through the city t city is really really putting a lot of people with nowhere to go. You know, it's like Barbara's helped me out a little bit. She's been a blessing to me actually. And other than that, Cara put me up for 30 days and then they just cut it right off and expected me right back on the street again. And the only reason why I'm not is because of Barbara. And I just I just think something can be done. I mean, there's a lot of people out there like me. You know, not everybody's a drunk or a druggie just because they're out on the street. There's other reasons we're out there, you know. So, I just wanted to say something about that.

Thank you, Michelle. Thank you for coming. Yep.

And Barbara, I believe you're on here, too, Barbara. And if you can give your address, please. Um, my name is Barbara Sundust. My address is 1273 East Cordova Avenue, Casag Grand, Arizona. When I started coming to city council meetings, my plea was for a campground or something for the homeless and tent people. That need still exists. And when I see some of them at laundry and ask them where they're going to spend the night after they do their laundry, um it is finding a hiding place or walking around and sleeping wherever they can. So that need still exists and I I think it is the responsibility of the citizens of the city to help find a solution since we exasperated the situation with an ordinance and no backup plan. Um Michelle didn't say very much, but um her story emphasizes the second need that we have for a shelter where people can stay longer than a month and and maybe help pay with some of their social security or whatever and get help finding an affordable apartment and a job and help with maybe financial education, services, etc. the the one month apartment help is just it's not enough to find an apartment and a job especially if you don't have a car. So you have to and then when the month runs out like like Michelle said you have to hunt for or hunt for people to help you pay at the cite or wherever it is. And then um you're or you're back on the street which means that you're moving and hiding again. And my last point is truly um to find affordable apartments. So I'm

going to I did a laundry thing. I know I only have a minute. Um, I did a laundry interview with some of my people and asked them to write their situations. So, this is Dora, 71 years old. She's living in a small house. The roof is not in good condition. It's falling down in her room. She's afraid it's going to fall on her. I have a pipe broken in my kitchen sink and I have to put a bucket under it and then just carry the water out of the house. So, I also do not have a heater um for her house or a cooler and my toilet is not running too good. So, I can use it too much. She says, "I need affordable apartment." So, and and then I have one other one um that she they don't have running water in their house, so they have to carry water for bathing and cleaning. So, something that's affordable is is just absolutely what we need. and $1,000 a month is not affordable housing if you're living on social security. So my last statement is just it just seems like caring for orphans, widows, and poor pretty generally is the responsibility of everybody in uh religious society. Has nothing to do with your religion.

Good timing, Barbara. You you must have practiced at home. Thank you, Barbara. Thank you for coming. Okay, next is Jacob Petroski. Heather, Jacob, and if you can give your address, please.

Yeah, I'm Jacob Petroski, 194 South Alador Trail. Um, gave my name already. Um, I've lived in Kasa Grande since 2018. I want to begin by being very clear. I'm not anti-technology. I'm not anti- police. I'm not anti-government or anti-public safety. What I am here to speak about is mass warrantless surveillance and long-term consequences of deploying it without fully understanding how modern machine learning systems actually work. Across the United States, systems like this have been already been used and the public uh in ways the public was never promised. Non-violent people being tracked without warrants, misuse by insiders, including officers spying on former partners. Immigration enforcement far beyond original intent. false accusations of crime and wrongful stops and arrests. These are not hypothetical risks, they're documented outcomes. Flock emphasizes that images are deleted after 30 days and that they do not sell customer data. That sounds reassuring, and it would be if it was 20 years ago. But modern machine learning systems do not work this way. The moment an image is captured, machine learning models extract metadata. Not just license patterns, but race, age, sex, body type, weight, clothing, passengers, movement patterns, and associations. That information is inferred automatically once it's extracted. Deleting the image does not undo what the computer has learned. The contract, the use of what it calls anonymized data doesn't really work in 2026. Anonymization does not mean safety. AI systems can reidentify people with high accuracy using only patterns such as timing and behavior, even without names, faces, or license plates. The police

chief has publicly described this technology as a gamecher. It is warrantless access to the movements of every resident is a gamecher. The ability to retroactively search where people have been, who they were near, and how often they travel certain routes without probable cause or warrant fundamentally changes the relationship between residents and their government. There is now no practical way for me to leave my home on any paved road in Kasa Grande without my movements being recorded, analyzed, and categorized by your new surveillance system. If I personally followed the mayor around town and took pictures, I'm pretty sure I'm going to get in trouble, right? The intent may be different, but the effect on residents is not. Kasa Grande no longer feels welcoming home to me. It feels watched. It feels monitored. And it feels uncomfortably close to a system designed for containment rather than community. Thank you.

Thank you. Wow, that was good timing, too. And Jacob, if you are willing to talk to one of our police officers, you can definitely do that at some point. There's

Okay. Um, Michael Cruz. Thank you, Mayor Fitz Gibbons, members of the council. Mike Cruz, Lucid Motors. Uh my personal residence is 1113 East 9th Street here in Cassagrand. Uh like the others, I'd never uh plan or rehearse. I tend to do better on the fly. So, here we go. I actually come here today on behalf of Lucid Motors and the Lucid family just to say thank you. Thank you for standing strong and firm when our community was challenged by our outside organizations, testing not just the the resilience of all of all of you, but also the resilience of this community. And what I'm referring to is the worker power movement to stop Lucid Motors potential expansion here in Cassagrand. At Lucid, we're focused on delivering not only the worldclass, most efficient EVs and most beautiful EVs in the world, but also our people. And the idea of the outside influence trying to impact our way of life here in Caster Grand was disheartening, not just to me, but many others. And I believe firmly that by you standing strong and the community coming together, it allowed us to be able to send a message that this type of behavior will not be tolerated in Cassagrand. And we're happy to hear that the worker power movement dropped the referendum request and decided to let your vote and the vote of this community be represented in that vote being prevailed. We're very thankful for the opportunity to be able to do business in this great city. We are thankful for the opportunity to engage this community in many aspects in the way we engage as part of our community engagement plans and also our government affairs plans. Lastly, I just want to say thank you to the community who stood by beside us. There's not many people

I've come across in Cassagrand that have no connection to Lucid. Whether it's a friend, family member working there, a neighbor, someone that they know, someone that they trust, we're all impacted by the employers in this community. It's important that we stand lock and step with them side by side to support them because they're the ones that provide us the opportunities and the quality of life we all deserve. And on behalf of Lucid Motors, we're very thankful for that. We appreciate your work and concern throughout the entire ordeal. and we stand here very appreciative as we get ready to continue our manufacturing and our ongoing growth as as we lead to quarter 4 production for the introduction of our midsize which is our third vehicle in the Lucid lineup. So on behalf of Lucid, thank you to this community. Thank you to you all. We appreciate all the support and more importantly I think this whole ordeal is a reflection of how close we are as citizens as residents as neighbors that during times of need and during times of adversity we come together as one to do what's most important that's to uplift the voice and the interest of the people of this great community. So thank you very much. We appreciate it and happy new year. Three in a row.

Thank you. Okay, Jeff Lavender. I thought Mike was gonna give me a minute when he was looked like he was going to finish early, but I'm Jeff Lavender, 1212 East Clear View Drive and High School Superintendent, uh, Mayor Fitzgiven, council members, and seven proud graduates of Cast Grande Union High School. We are

I'm here tonight to talk about our CG wins event that we are Mike and I are in the process of planning for our community. We've had some uh excellent things happen to some of our community members recently. Couple weeks ago, you saw Kenny Selenus who's going to find out on February 5th if he's the NFL fan of the year, our president of the food bank. Lucid is helping sponsor a prep rally for him in which they have graciously agreed to donate 5,000 meals to the uh food bank for us. We'll be recognizing Kenny at the pep rally. We're also going to be doing a clinic for middle school students four through eight. The Arizona Cardinals are going to sponsor. Thank you to Anthony for helping us get the sponsorship from the Cardinals. We're going to have some players out there as well. Also at the pep rally going to be recognizing Jesus Ramos, our new world champion boxer. He'll be there with his belt and Jesus is a graduate of Vista Grande High School. but it's somebody that made a goal to be a world champion has worked his way through that and so we'll be recognizing him. We'll be recognizing Kayla Tacker who was just recently named Arizona Cardinals girls flag football player of the year. Kasa Grande is unique and Angel Flores was the boys player of the year in 2021. Kayla's the girls player of the year in 2025. There's one other high school in Arizona that can make the same claim. They've had the boys player of the year and the girls player of the year during this time period. That's Hamilton High School with their 4,000 students. Uh and so we're an elite company uh with our athletes here getting player of the year. So he'll be recognizing Caleb recognizing Sawyer Bar who his story of losing his father in fourth grade uh beating leukemia. Applied for a scholarship that 36,000 people applied for and one of 2,000 accepted for a full ride to Duke University. uh and $450,000 scholarship. Also, our cheer squad has recently has uh earned a birth into the national championship from Kasa Grande Union. We'll be recognizing them as

well. The theme of this pep rally is Kasa Grande wins across the board. All of these uh citizens are winning. They're achieving great things today. Jody and I sat down with these students. Doug Cameron Armstrong is going to be MCing the event. He's a senior at Union right now. leads the 5A in scoring for soccer right now. Our students, our community continue to excel. We're excited to have Lucid as a partner in this. And we're hope all all of you can join us on Friday, January 30th. The clinics from 2 to 3:00. We'll have Cardinal players out there. We'll have our players, both boys and girls from both schools, Vista and Union, out there. And then the pep rally booth from 3 to 3:30. And so let's all come out and celebrate as Kasa Grande continues to win. Thank you.

Thank you, Jeff. Is there anyone else that would like to address the council? Now is the time. Okay, we'll go ahead and close the public comments. And now we're on I1. Kevin,

thank you. staff recommends that the mayor and city council approve a bridging agreement with Allison Mills Contracting to reclocate a sewer line uh at St. Anony's Church for a total amount not to exceed 21,000 uh excuse me 21,816. Um, we're going to be entering into this uh bridging agreement uh taking advantage of a panel county uh job order contract uh number 233828. It's a job order contract that we've used in the past, but it was able it enabled us to uh get um the process moving very quickly to get Allison Mills under contract. So, if approved tonight, uh we'll have them under contract and be able to move forward with this project. Uh, as you're probably aware, uh, there was a fire at St. Anony's Church and that building was condemned. So, they tore that building down. Um, our downtown area uh was laid out in a grid system historically and the sewer lines were all located in uh east west generally east west uh lying sewer lines in the alleys. Over the years, there were approvals to have buildings constructed over the top of those uh sewer lines. Not something that I would do today, but uh something we have to live with. And um fortunately, the opportunity that uh this gives us to relocate this line will allow the church to take full advantage of their property and uh rebuild their church the way they uh have it planned. So, um we will uh if approved, um the contractor is ready to move forward right away. Uh this ordinance, if approved, will cure on uh the 16th of March and that'll be the first day that they start the project. Of course, moving up to that point, we'll be working through all the

contracting and and basically dotting the eyes, crossing the tees to make sure that they're ready to go. approximately a four-week project. So, midappril we'll have uh that project finished up. Uh basically taking the sewer line at the manhole just upstream from the church and taking it south to a manhole that goes uh to the west. Um simple project uh but we're able to move fast uh move appropriately on it really quickly. So with that, I'd be happy to answer any questions. Thank you, Kevin. Any questions, comments? Okay, we can get a ordinance number, please.

Ordinance number 3496, an ordinance of this council of the city of Cassagran, Arizona, accepting a proposal from Ellison Mills Contracting LLC for job order construction services for the St. Anony's Church sewer relocation, authorizing the expenditure of public funds, authorizing execution of a contract with or purchase order to Ellison Mills Contracting LLC, and authorizing the transfer of budget authority. Mayor Fitzgiven, I move that we approve ordinance number 3496 as presented. Second. Okay, there's been a motion and a second. Is there any further discussion? We can get a roll call vote, please. Council member Ramo, yes. Council member Dugan, yes. Council member Edwards, yes.

Council member Hston, yes. Council member Herman, yes. Mayor Perth Bylan, yes. Mayor Fitzgiven, yes. Motion carries.

Thank you. Item number L1. And who's that? Jacqueline. And James. Good evening, mayor and members of council. This item in front of you is a zone change request for property located near the southeast corner of Bisnaga and Panel. The applicant owns just under nine acres of land. two and a half acres is currently zoned B1 which is our neighborhood services zone and the remaining acreage is zoned urban ranch. The request is to change this property from those two zone districts to the B4 community services zone district. Here's another angle of the property where Panel Avenue um which is predominantly to the west of the site is shown towards the bottom. But as you might be familiar with this site um the most current use was rock works but before that it was greens and things. As you can tell, um, this site has had a history of different uses that, um, involve landscape supply, um, greenhouse type uses, which is not appropriate in its current zoning districts of B1 and

Urban Ranch, but would be appropriate in the B4 zone district. B4 is known collocally as a heavy commercial type zone district. It does allow some very light industrial type uses as well. Um typical uses would be for contractor equipment storage yards, self storage uses very similar to like I say the previous rock works business and greens and things were. There are some other uses that could be proposed on this site that would be subject to a conditional use permit, which would be a separate application process. The applicant has not provided any sort of plan yet for this property, although he does intend to develop it as a contractor equipment storage yard potentially andor self storage. When reviewing zone changes, these are the criteria that have to be followed and the staff report goes into these in greater detail. I do want to say that with regard to conformance with the general plan, it sits within the commerce and business general plan designation. And within that designation, there's a list of appropriate zone districts. Interestingly, neither the urban ranch zone or the B1 zone, which this property is currently designated, is considered appropriate in the commerce and business category. However, B4 is considered an appropriate zone. There is concern about the um potential of certain uses with respect to how close it is to existing residential to the east. A couple of thoughts on that, however,

is although that normally you do see along the panel corridor um B2 zoning, which would also be appropriate here, staff and planning commission agree that B4 is appropriate in this location as opposed to something more like B2 because where you would really want to see the B2 zones are on prominent intersections, prominent corners where they would highly attract more of the retail and restaurant type uses. And given the fact that to the east of the site is urban ranchzoned property, you have lots that are well over an acre in some cases or at least an an 1.25 acres minimum. So that does kind of naturally lend itself to some some um lesser compatibility challenges because there's space on these lots and opportunity to um alleviate some of the the potential impacts. Another concern or or just interesting thing to point out about this site is that if you notice the parcel boundary on the south basically um consumes the Santa Cruz wash. Uh it sits on the property and because of the sensitivity of that wash there are some conditions that that address that with regard to developing the southern portion of that site. There are also some conditions in place with regard to that sensitivity to the residential area because that's not to say that just because it's they're large lots there's no concern. There are some recommended conditions that will help address uh potential impacts. Regarding the public notification

process, the city met that which was required by code. As a result of the notification, we did um get a couple of inquiries. Um the one that that was definitely the most important was from the owner of the property directly to the east. They they had some concerns about what type of uses would go there. Um they were not um they they they had some reservations about the potential of increased traffic and crime and noise. And so again, um the conditions of record that are reflected in this uh proposed zone change help address that. At the January 8th planning commission public hearing on a vote of 6 to1, planning commission did vote to forward city council a recommendation to approve this zone change request. Subject to these five conditions. Um, specifically the conditions that help address the the concerns about the Santa Cruz wash and the compatibility would be number two, three, four, and five. Um, calling for specific screening and architectural design. And with regard to the wash, number five indicates no development or disturbance shall occur within 75 ft of the southern parcel boundary. other than habitat restoration um etc. um that maintain this area as riperian habitat as much as feasibly possible. And that concludes my presentation.

Thank you. Thank you, James. Any questions or comments? No, I guess I guess not. James and and the applicant was fine with the conditions they were okay. That's great. Okay. Um since there's no questions, this is a public hearing, so I'll go ahead and open it up if there's anyone that would like to speak. Okay, if there's no one, we'll go ahead and close the public hearing. And Adriana, if we can get an ordinance number, please.

Ordinance number 1178.47. 472, an ordinance of the council of the city of Cassagran, Arizona, amending zoning ordinance number 118 and its subsequent amendments by changing the zoning from neighborhood services B1 and urban ranch UR to community services B4 on property generally located south and east of the southwest corner of Visaga Street and Panel Avenue, Caster Grand, Arizona. Memphis, I move that we approve ordinance number 1178.472 as presented. Second. Okay, there's been a motion and a second. Is there any further discussion? Okay, if we can get a roll call vote, please. Council member Raml,

yes. Council member Dugan, yes. Council member Edwards, yes. Council member Hston, yes. Council member Herman, yes. Mayor Prodan, yes. Mayor Fisgiven, yes. Motion carries. Thank you. Okay. Item L2.

This request is to amend a portion of the Kasa Grande Marcato P A to accommodate a proposed hotel. The Kasa Grande Marcato P A is perhaps the oldest planned area development zone district in the city. Um, it was established uh, I believe in the early 1990s and the applicant is seeking approval to develop an extended stay hotel. Um, in the location identified on the screen just to familiarize everybody with this area. Um, the Kasa Grande Marcato P A sits at the southeast corner of Florence and Camino Marcato next to I 10. The subject's site is just over two acres and and really what's driving this as I mentioned is they would like to construct a fourstory 50-ft tall hotel. The existing Kasa Grande Marcato P A identifies this area for retail and commercial uses. That in and of itself may not exclude hotels. It's it's hard to say if hotels is technically it's not retail, but it's definitely commercial, but there's a maximum height of 24 feet. And then within the P A, it did specifically identify a a location not within the subject area allowing for a hotel at a height of 60 ft. Um, that's where Cracker Barrel now sits. The requested amendment would specifically identify the subject area, which is just south of um Popeye's and Burger King, to allow a hotel use at a height of 50 ft

um with a floor area ratio of 0.59. Currently, the P A identifies that area um to be limited to 23. The the other um benefits of the amendment is that it would specify other development standards that aren't currently stated within the PAD guide such as minimum setbacks and it would reflect this area which is known as lots four and five as one parcel. There is a replat under review that would accomplish that. It would it would combine lots four and five as well as the access drive to the south to place it all into one lot. to explain what I mean by that access drive. The um P A and the existing plat calls for an area to the south of four and five as a common area for public access that would bring vehicles to Camino Marcato from Camino del Norte to the east. That's the main street that you would take to get to the AM PM and to cut over to Cracker Barrel. Um the replat does um combine this area into one lot, but does preserve that that strip as a public access easement for vehicular pedestrian travel as well as for utilities. And so that will be maintained as a way to for traffic to cut through to Commamino Marcato. When reviewing amendments to PADS, these are the criteria that have to be addressed. The staff report gets into these in in greater detail. I do want to say that um staff and planning commission did find the request to be in conformance with the general plan

designation for this property, which is community corridor. Community corridor supports development of diverse activity centers that incorporate various building sizes and land uses. Um, one of the key objectives is for infill development. This definitely would be regarded as an infill site. It's hard to attract retail and commercial uses in this location because it's screened by Popeye's and Burger King and Dutch Brothers and the other businesses lining Florence. And this is an opportunity to bring a a hotel use um at a at a taller height so it is visible and it'll bring a a new mixture of customers to the area for those retail and restaurant businesses. city met the notification requirements um that are required by the code and there was no correspondence received. At its January public hearing, the planning commission voted 5 to2 to forward a recommendation to council to approve this amendment. Um, I'm I don't want to speak for the planning commissioners directly, but the the general sense of the dissenting votes was due to traffic concerns and also just the bulk and scale of the building. However, staff and and the planning commissioners who voted to approve um must have a a differing position of course, but um basically I would say that the next step for the applicant would be to submit a site plan which will be reviewed for conformance with this PED if approved as well as um ensuring that all the infrastructure is adequate such as meeting traffic

concerns etc. ETA and that concludes the presentation. Thank you, James. Any questions, comments? Anthony? Yeah, James. Um, just looking at that photo of that area, it looks like that's going to be really tight. Um, and then the setbacks are cuz they got to be set back away from the fence line of the Popeye's and the restaurants in front of it. There's a set back there and there's a setback on the other side on the Mardo side, right? And they're able to they'll be able to fit this hotel there.

Mayor, um, Council Member Edwards, that that is a good point. And one of the advantages in this case is they they have provided a conceptual site plan so that it can be demonstrated how the building such as that could fit on this lot and and that's what I'm sharing on this screen here. Um it it does appear like it would be a pretty tight site, but they are demonstrating that um by placing the hotel basically dead center, it not only does provide uh a fair setback to the north and to the south, but they are able to um accommodate for the required parking and open space. But but yeah, I I agree with you. I always have a hard time sizing things when they're especially when they're empty

and seeing what could fit in that spot, but but the site plan is showing that it it can fit. Go ahead.

Yeah, a couple things come up with this. You know, I've talked to a few people. A couple people aren't exactly for it, but not hard against, you know, like, well, but one thing that helps me with the height is that right next to it there, it was already kind of approved for that height and the hotels got to got to do that. Um, you know, so that that helps. There's no homes. The last time we did a I remember doing a hotel is that the homeowners were worried about people looking in, you know, into their yards and whatnot, which I understand. So, this doesn't have that issue. Um, one thing that came up in the, uh, public, uh, you know, the court of public comment, uh, Facebook, um, was about having more restaurants instead of hotels. But one way to get more restaurants is to have more hotels and more people eating at restaurants. So I, you know, that helps me get there as well. And then, but one thing people is, do we need more hotels? Well, I don't know. I'm not in the hotel business, you know, and they are. So, you know, they wouldn't get the money. They wouldn't do it. I don't think if they think they were going to be successful. And this is a different product than what we have opening and stuff that we have already in town, you know, on the other side of the freeway will be more of a a Marriott uh dual branded concept and this one will be a different type. So, you know, and visible from the

So, yeah, I mean, I think they've done a good job getting everything in there and, you know, they'll have to do a traffic study, right, is with their thing. So, we'll know if that's going to fly or not, right? That'll help with the concerns there and then finishing that drive. So, I mean, the the good outweighs the bad. I think for me. So anyway, just to address people's concerns, right?

It's kind of where I'm going. And I forgot the most uh I got this uh I was in the tour tourism meeting this morning and um it's estimated by our a company that's used by the tourism group to keep track of metrics of people that come through town that we lost 160.8,000 room nights last year because we don't have hotels here that people will stay at. So, I think closer to the freeway might help that. But it's a 16 and a half leakage rate, percent leakage rate, whatever that means, but it's on my thing. But, uh, you know, I know what it means is that we're losing that many people to to closer hotels in other cities. So, another opportunity, you know, to draw people to town and to get, you know, I mean, to have them stay here, spend some money here and find our city just as we heard earlier. So, I mean, I think that's important to know that we are losing room nights for lack of hotels. So, Yep.

Thank you. So, it's a an extended stay. So, what who does that cater to specifically? Is it people that are just coming for like a couple nights or I mean, is that open to whoever or what? How does that work in comparison to the other hotels that we have?

So, the applicant is uh an extended stay hotel and they can speak to what their specific um target customer is. However, um from what I have heard from other extended state applicants is it's intended for a mixture of of guests who aren't here just for a weekend, but they are either relocating here and they're waiting for their house to be completed or they're contractually here. So, they're staying here for a month, two months, too short to necessarily want to enter into a lease. but but more complex if they were to try to find a night by night hotel. Um but but but you're right that does raise some questions in terms of what what types of variety of of guests could there be. Um but like I said, I believe the applicant is here and they could speak to that model and and other places where they're located.

And we'll bring is is the applicant Reagan Reagan, is it Reagan? Okay, Gregan, hold on. Let me see if anyone has any any other questions and we can have you. Any other questions? I just got one statement. I I know that the city definitely needs more hotels. Every time we have a major event in Cog, they sell out or they're charging. They go, "Oh my god, I can't believe I just paid this much for a hotel room in Castle Grand." It goes like, I could have stayed in Scottsdale for the same price, you know? So, I definitely see the need for more hotels here in Cast. the extended stay. I, you know, I've heard a lot of uh negative things about that, but at least this is in a better location that's away from people's homes and stuff like that. So, that's where I kind of stand.

Okay. And it really is in a great location. And of course, you know, the whole infill piece, you know, that what what else can you really, you know, put there? And we definitely have a need. And and what I liked about it too, the location is it's in our transit our transit service area. So someone that stays there can, you know, call CG Link and go over to the mall, go down to downtown or whatever. So it is a good location being right there off Florence Boulevard. So um okay, so this is a public hearing and so we'll go ahead and open it up. And I do have um Reagan um Cro Crawwell

Crotwell Crotwell here. And I know it said that um you were here just to support but and not speak, but do you mind coming up and answering the question about the extended stay piece? Okay. And if you can give your address for us. Thank you.

Good evening everyone. Reagan Crowell. Uh my address is 2390 Tower Drive, Monroe, Louisiana, 71201 zip code. um to just speak to the question about um the extended stay style or type of hotel. Um essentially that just is offering our guests um appliance amenities uh within each guest room unit. So, there will be um a dishwasher, a full-size refrigerator, a small cooktop, uh all housed within um a kitchenet unit so that they can stay in and, you know, cook inside the hotel if they should so choose instead of, you know, having to get out and go about the town if they were, you know, renting long term. Uh it's an amenity that um you know caters well to that type um yes, but then the room also is catered toward folks in the transient sector coming in for just a few days at a time and then moving on out of town. So it it's kind of an offering that's the best of both worlds that we find to be very successful in markets as such. Okay. Any other questions? No. Okay. Thank you very much.

Thank you. Thank you for being here. Okay. Anyone else would like to speak? Okay. I'll go ahead and close the public hearing and if we can get an ordinance number. Ordinance number 1178.473. An ordinance of the council of the city of Caser Grant, Arizona approving a major amendment to the Casrant Marcado Pad generally located at 611 North Camino de Norte Cas Grand Arizona to revise the uses and development standards for lots four and five. Mayor Fitzgiven, I move to approve ordinance number 118.473 as presented. Second.

There's been a motion and a second. Is there any further discussion? Okay, if we can get a roll call vote. Council member Ramoth, yes. Council member Dugan, yes. Council member Edwards, yes. Council member Hules, yes. Council member Herman, yes. Mayor Prompellan, yes. Mayor Fitzgiven, yes. Motion carries.

Thank you. A item L3. Good evening, Mayor Council. Uh, this request is a zone change. The site is located at the southwest corner of Hila Bend Highway and Buris Road. The zone change request is from B4 Community Services to I2 General Industrial on approximately 23 acres. Did want to note um, as noted in the RCA, this was reszoned to B4 along with the southern portion to I2 in 2016. This was done prior to the general plan update that was done in 2021 and the influx of industrial in this area. Um this zone zone change would allow the parcel to be uniformally zoned to I2 and that that total parcel would be 150 acres. Here's the zone change uh review criteria covered in detail in the staff report. I'll be going over the two highlighted items tonight uh regarding the first review criteria that the action is consistent with the city's general plan including the goals, policies and other political elements. Uh one of the goals in the manufacturing industry categories provide and expand this land use area to accommodate a variety of industries. And an action step is to identify locations where it would be beneficial to increase the manufacturing industry areas within the city. And then the goal is to encourage appropriate and responsible industrial uh development in appropriate locations. And also um for the general plan um here are a list of appropriate land uses and appropriate zoning categories within manufacturing and industry. I do want to note that while B4 is an appropriate zoning category, um in this land use category, uh the other the owner would like to the parcel to be uniformly zoned to make it more appealing to users. And the third uh reviewer review

criteria is that the proposed zone change is necessary and proper at this time to meet the land use needs of the residents of the city. Uh the city's current demand for general industrial is significant and this reszone would expand that available area. I did want to note at the planning zoning commission meeting uh there were questions from the commissioners about the PE zoning to the north of the site. Uh the PE calls for single family duplex type product along Hilib highway and courtyard homes along Burus with some additional commercial along the highway as well. Uh this was zoned to PED in 2006 and the site does not have certificate of assured water supply. So it's uncertain how this will be developed um in the future. Um and also um there is existing residential um western manor at the northeast corner of Hiliban Highway and also per our general plan the Heliban highway is considered a gateway to the community. So with that staff has um included conditions of record to ensure compatibility and to address aesthetics along the highway. And during the site plan process, there is additional opportunity to ensure um that development is compatible. Regarding the stakeholder process, applicant and staff met all the requirements, including a prescoping letter that was sent out in October of last year. I did not receive any comments or inquiries regarding this request. And the planning and zoning commission voted uh 70 to forward a recommendation of approval to city council for a zone change from B4. uh community services to I2 general industrial with the following conditions of record. I happy to answer any questions the council may have. Okay.

Any questions, comments? Doesn't look like it, Jacqueline. So, if we can um this is a public hearing, so if there's anyone that would like to speak, um it looks like I do have a speaker card and um is it Jessia? Oh, okay. I'm just the applicant. Thank you questions. You're the applicant. Okay. If there's any questions, the applicant's here. Any questions, comments? No, I guess not. Thank you. Thank you for being here. Anyone else? We'll go ahead and close the public hearing and if we can get an ordinance number.

Ordinance number 118.474, 474, an ordinance of this council of the city of Cassagran, Arizona, amending zoning ordinance number 118 and its subsequent amendments by changing the zoning from community services B4 to general industrial I2 on property on property generally located to the southwest corner of Hilliban Highway and Bureus Road, Cassagran, Arizona. Mayor Fitz Gibbiven, I move approval of ordinance number 1178.474 474 as presented. Second. Okay, there's been a motion and a second. Is there any further discussion? Okay, if we can get a roll call vote, please. Council member Rammo, yes. Council member Dugan,

yes. Council member Edwards, yes. Council member Hules, yes. Council member Herman, yes. Mayor Prompellan, yes. Mayor Fitzgiven, yes. Motion carries. Thank you. And last one, item L4. Evening.

Good evening. One more time. Good evening, Mayor, council members. Uh before you, I've got um TSA250118 for Mayor Gold Crossing. This is a zoning amendment. So, the the request is our applicant originally requested a zone change. Um zone change is kind of a misnomer. Um really what we're looking to do here is amend the conditions of record. Um so it is currently R3 with conditions of record. It will remain R3 with conditions of records. We're just looking to amend those. Um planning and zoning's recommendation council was to uh originally the it was to remove the conditions of records but instead of removing them we recommended that they amend them instead. Um and that is what planning and zoning uh forwarded to approve. And then these amendments are acceptable to planning staff, the applicant and to the neighboring properties. Uh here's the proposed site is west of per um just south of Florence. Florence is uh north there just past where the photo is cut off. Um so it is currently, like I said, zoned R3 with conditions of record. Um and the general plan designation is community corridor which does support uh R3 development. Um so here is a conceptual site plan. Um they are proposing eventually to be a new senior living uh three stories and 81 unit building for senior living. Um so in 2015 when they originally went to develop this they zoned it from One part of it was P A part of it was urban ranch. They zoned it to R3 had the conditions. Um one of the major

conditions was that it was to be used for um units for individual sales. So condos. Um at that time that did that development never realized. Um so that parcel has uh sat vacant and undeveloped um until our applicant here um or the applicant here. Um the issue is that without cause uh we cannot do condos um or single unit sales. Um so it is currently undevelopable. Um so by removing or amending that um that one condition um this would allow that development to go forward and as I said it's currently R3 multifamily um type housing product with conditions of record. It will remain that R3 multifamily. So uh that is not changing from what was originally designed to be there. Um here are the amendments changes that were made. Um these were also in the memo and the staff report. Um all the public hearing notifications that are required were met. Um we did have a comment at the planning and zoning commission hearing where Jerry Warren uh representing Jay Warren Funeral Services did express that they had no major objections to the development being proposed. they have been working with the applicant um for um agreeable conditions. Um so that having been met there one concern is just having that fencing um that separates this property from J Warrant Funeral Home and um respecting the uh type of business that goes on there and that customer clientele. So, um, with that, planning and zoning

commission voted 7 to zero to forward a recommendation to approve DSA 2500118, uh, request by WA Cooper Development, Inc. for a zone change or a zone amendment, um, for these properties. Um, like I said, it's going to be R3 with conditions of record to R3 conditions of record. Are there any questions? Any questions, comments? Sure. I think yeah, this is a great infill project and I'm glad the neighbors are are good with it and everything and should be perfect. You know, that land's been vacant for ever. Yeah, it has.

Like it'll fit well into that area, too. Is it um like a traditional um multifamily or is it all like more of like a senior um facility where they're all inside but they're individual rooms? You know what I mean? I mean does it look like a regular apartment because it the diagram looks if I understand and the is here tonight but as I understand it this will be 81 single units. Um okay so a traditional style of apartment. Okay. Um well all single unit like um one bedroom I believe. So one and two bedroom one and two bedroom. Okay. Okay. How many how many units did you say? 81.

81. Okay. Okay. Any other questions, comments? Okay. So, this is a public hearing. We'll go ahead and open the public hearing. If there's anyone that would like to speak, now is your chance. We'll close the public hearing. We'll let you off easy. No questions for the applicant here. So, we'll go ahead and if we can get an ordinance number,

ordinance number 118.370.1, an ordinance of the council of the city of Cassagran, Arizona, amending zoning ordinance number 1178 in its subsequent amendments by amending the conditions of record for the R3 zone for property located generally south of East Florence Boulevard, Casagran, Arizona. Mayor Fiven, I move that we approve orders number 1178.370.1 as presented. Second. Okay, there's been a motion and a second. Is there any further discussion? If we can get a roll call vote, please. Adrian. Council member Rumble. Yes. Council member Dugan. Yes. Council member Edwards. Yes.

Council member Huleston. Yes. Council member Herman. Yes. Mayor Prompy Dylan? Yes. Mayor Fitzgiven. Yes. Motion carries. Thank you. Thank you. Okay. I know we have an executive session. Before we go into that, we'll go ahead and start with any council reports. So, um, how about Sean, if we start with you? Um, no reports from you guys are probably going to cover everything I wanted to cover and do a better job at it. So, no reports today. Thank you. No report. Thank you. No reports. I know. Wow. See, it's good. We were all on vacation. We all didn't do anything. I have reports.

No, just uh I I get to serve as I mentioned earlier on the tourism advisory group and and that organization has purchased a very powerful tool um that gives us data and metrics on who's coming to events so we can like uh the um the uh electric light parade. They did that. There's overund like 91,000 people came to see electric light parade. you know where they're from, how long they stayed, all that stuff. So that's where I was getting the information about the hotel nights. But but that information is provided to the people that put on events like the Copper Country Music Fest got one, Rotary Club October Fest got one. So that way we can tell and the tourism group takes that all together so that we can better target people to come and and have better things. So it's pretty neat. So

um that's where we get that. So and we also talking about the taco fest coming up uh in March. So that'll be something to look out for. And I should tell you the date of that. March 21st at Dave White Park. Um, so that's that's coming up. And then also got to attend the street fair this weekend. Very cool event, perfect weather, great car show, great turnout. Um, the city helped get some of that stuff together, so we appreciate the city staff for getting getting people open down there. And of course, Main Street who is in charge of that whole thing. Holly and her group which is not a lot of people but a lot of volunteers and they were all down there and it was just a great great event as usual and one of our most attended events in town. Um so good job to them and the car show was awesome and it was just a great great time down there. So

great weather. Yeah. And then oh the uh want to thank the um Terry Emig and his friends with biplanes did a fly over. perfect time for the national anthem. So that was that was great. And then also a group had a wasn't really a flyin. It was just a training for formation training at the airport and I got a lot of great feedback from them about how helpful the airport manager was and how great the airport was and everything. So they were very happy and some people got to see a lot of arerobatic formations and tricks this weekend. It was pretty cool. We saw one going doing a loop and yeah, it's pretty neat. So that's all I have.

Thank you. I wanted to say um thank you to Scott Mchuan and the MLK uh committee. Um we had a wonderful day of service on the 19th on Monday. Yesterday was very very successful. A lot of youth uh we gave 250 um boxes out to those that were in need in our community. Um, we had service, uh, cleaning up the alleyways, Florence Boulevard, all the way back over to the old Voltec building this year. And so, um, it was a wonderful event. Um, a lot of people came out and we look forward to number five, which will be next year. Um, reminder, chamber dinner this coming Friday. Um, 5, what is it, 5 to 9, 6:00 to 9 at the property. Uh, and I think you're going to hit on the other one. And so, um, that's all I have.

Thank you, Anthony.

Should say that, um, Anthony did a great job speaking yesterday and, um, he did a wonderful job at our unity march. I think we had about 900 elementary students. Uh, we had Cactus Middle School, all of our students, which we have about 700 students. And then we had student groups from CGMS, from Velago, uh, Choya, Cottonwood. We all started at Lancola, marched down to Parrot Park where Anthony and the mayor spoke. They did a wonderful job. And, um, Danny did a great job with the parks department. Uh, the police department did a wonderful job making sure our students were safe. We really appreciate that. And of course, uh, Jeff Lavender, who started this, was, um, a big support in the planning process, too. And it was a great event that we we just love to do, and we appreciate the support from the city with it.

Thank you. I forgot to mention, thank you to the city. Um, they helped us out a lot with a lot of things. Um even on the unity march um parks and red danny as you mentioned um to all the help assisting us. We had a power outage that morning and we was able to get the power back on before the MLK day of service started cuz my music wouldn't work with that power and so but anyways just want to thank the city and the APS as well getting that power back on.

Thank you Anthony. Um yeah, no and and again, you know, thank you to to both of you for participating on both of those committees, both of them. Um um Council Member Romo did a great job that just having all those youth there and the signs and the energy and the speeches um you know were great, you know, having the little kids and then yesterday to have our high school students there as well as a lot of our community members. that event is growing every year and so thank you to you of course Scott that started it but the the whole committee and the city because I know we have dedicated staff that are there on their days off and working to make this a great event but you know it it it's so nice to you know to have our young people you know when we have a three-day weekend and I'm guilty of it you think yay three-day weekend don't really care about what that day is but it's good to reflect on what we're celebrating and I and that's what I loved about it and especially especially yesterday because it was actually Martin Luther King Day. This is why you're off school, you're off work, and we were able to um remember um you know, his legacy and service and and what it's about serving the community and serving others. And so, thank you for your inspirational words, Anthony. He's always were always in awe every time he talks. So, um but literally um but no, it it it was really good and there were so many kids that came up after that were so excited and especially for those freshmen that came and they're like, "Do we do this? Do we get to do this every year?" You know, they're they were really excited. So, thank you to all those people that that put that together. Uh so, as you guys know, the the um legislator started, you know, they're they're they're booming here. I think the first um first day it was 300 bills and I think they're up to a thousand now. And so um we're going to start getting updates. Rob, you know, has been really active um in participating in the in the calls and finding out what's going on. So um we'll keep everyone up to date on what's

happening, you know, as we move through this long, um session. So um we'll be hearing more. We um today, you know, I've been meeting with our legislators, our um representatives here, and I met with Senator Kelly today. There was actually several of us. So, he was in Phoenix and met with um several business leaders and community leaders and um so it was really good um getting, you know, his perspective on what's going on and priorities, which many of the priorities are our priorities. Public safety, he says, is number one, you know, for him. And so they're going to try to dedicate, you know, more funding to to public safety in communities um infrastructure. And so I was able to talk to him just briefly after um and talked about our infrastructure needs with the amount of growth that's going on in our city. So definitely, you know, picked his brain there for a second and going to follow up and meet with him in the future. So, um, you know, we're just, you know, still want to make sure that we're in in their, you know, space and letting them not forget who we are here in the city of Cascad. So, and if you can all mark your calendars for our state of the city. There's a lot of state of the cities coming up and we'll I'll go ahead and share with all of you if anyone wants to go to any of the other cities. You know, all of our surrounding communities are going to have these events in February and March. So, if anyone, you know, we can I can definitely share those dates with you, but ours is going to be March 4th for those of you that are here, please mark your calendars. And we're doing an evening event this year, so we can um make sure we're giving people the opportunity that can't get away from work to attend this event. So, um 5 I think it's 5:15 and it's going to be at Cash Grand Union High School. So, please mark your calendar. Hope you can join us. So, with that, we'll go ahead and um end this meeting and um go into executive session. Do I need a motion? I need a motion to go into executive session.

So, moved. Second. All those in favor, please signify by saying I. I. Any opposed? Okay. And thank you everyone for coming.