Board of Supervisors - Regular Meeting

Is there any motion to come out of the closed session? I make that motion. I have a motion on Mr. Collins. Do I have a second? Second. Can I start the vote with Mr. Moore? Yes. Mr. Collins? Yes. Mr. Bryant? Yes. Mr. Horton? Yes. And I vote yes. Okay. On the motion of the board in the closed session under Virginia Code Section 2.2-3711A5, A6, and A8, I'll ask each member to certify. Whereas the Carroll County Board of Supervisors will meet in a closed session and stay pursuant to an affirmative recorded vote on the motion to close the meeting in accordance with the Virginia Freedom of Information Act. Whereas Section 2.2, 3711D of the Code of Virginia requires certification by the Board of Supervisors that such a closed session was conducted in conformance with Virginia law. And again, we went under 8.5, 8.6, and 8.8. and therefore be it resolved that the Carolina Board of Supervisors hereby certifies that to the best of each member's knowledge, only public business matters lawfully exempted from open meeting requirements under the Virginia Freedom of Information Act were heard, discussed, or considered in the closed session to which the certification applies. And only such business matters as were identified in the motion by which this closed session was convened were heard, discussed, or considered in the meeting to which the certification applies.

I'll start with Mr. Erland. I will abstain since I was not privy to the majority of the closed session. Okay, Mr. Wharton? I so certify.

Mr. Brunt? I so certify. Mr. Collins? I so certify. Mr. Moore? I so certify. And I so certify. Okay, at this time, I'll ask Mr. Brunt if he'll lead us in invocation and pledge, please.

Thank you for another opportunity to be here tonight. God, we just ask that you would just guide us in all our decision making. Lord, we just want to be a blessing for the county and the citizens. In Jesus' name, amen. Amen.

I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands, one nation, under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.

Amen.

Mr. Chairman, I'd like to make a motion to approve the agenda to add another closed session to the board hearing. Okay.

I have a motion. That's approved. Everyone for discussion? Yep. Okay. I have a motion for a finished closed session at the end of the meeting. Do I have a second? Second. Okay. Let's start with Mr. Early. Yes. Mr. Wharton. Yes. Mr. Brown. Yes. Mr. Collins. Yes. Mr. Moore. Yes. And I vote yes. Next on the agenda is citizen time. Of course, we want to welcome you to our meeting. Please be advised that outbursts or disruptive behavior will not be tolerated. We aim to maintain a respectful and productive environment for all attendees. Please direct all comments to the board as a whole, referring from addressing individual members or employees. Personal attacks on individual board members, as well as the use of profane insults, will not be tolerated scuba topics should pertain to issues within the purview of the board of local government topics beyond the board's control or unrelated to local governments are not appropriate for public comment question and answer public comment is not a question and answer session we will not respond to you we'll give you the opportunity it's three minutes to talk and uh there's a time limit And if you spoke on the same subject in the past six months, we'll ask that you speak on something different. That being said, we'll start with Jeff Wimberley. Did I get that correct?

Mr. Chairman, may I make a statement? Yes, sir. If Mr. Wimberley is invited to the second closed session, I think it would be appropriate for him to speak to the board then as opposed to now. On the airport? That's fine with me. I have no problem with that. Okay. Would you be able to hang around for that? Yeah. Okay, thanks.

All right, next we have Malcolm Smith.

Good evening, Chairman. members of board. My name is Dr. Malcolm Smith. I live at 45 Laughlin Road in Laurel. I'm here because a dam failed in Carroll County. And people downstream including myself, 30 other citizens paid the price. That dam is Virginia Dam 03504. It let loose 150 million gallons of water and whatever else was in that lake. It belongs to Old Mill. It is regulated by DCR. Old Mill's wastewater system, did you know they have a wastewater plant there at Old Mill Golf Course? And their dam failed and that wastewater plant is below the dam. These are not vague allegations. These are regulated facilities. There are records and there are inspections. There are compliance requirements. And there is a very simple question for this board. What did Carroll County know about this dam before August 2nd? And what can Carroll County do after August 2nd? I have 30 members of my community who signed a petition asking for time and a meeting in front of this board because nothing was done. In fact, the only way the county found out that this dam is breached is because I called DCR, who then sent a letter, I hope all of you read. What did Carroll County do? Well, I've been digging in the records about this dam. What I'm finding is very deeply troubled. There appears to be roughly a 20-year history of noncompliance by this owner of Old Mill, and over a group you brought before you and celebrated for over 30 minutes, yet you'll only give me three minutes to talk about it. 20 years they've been out of compliance. Not 20 days, not 20 weeks, 20 years they've been out of compliance. If that's wrong, if that information's wrong, correct You can't. If that's true, that they've been out of compliance, listen, I got two more minutes. Thank you. Why wasn't something done when this thing was out of compliance for 20 years? People downstream were flooded when it failed. And now the question becomes even more important. What happened after the pandemic? Did this county demand answers? Did each of you demand answers? Did you contact DCR? No, I didn't. Did you contact DEQ? No, I didn't. Find out what really happened. Put the complete history of Dan 03504 out on the table for all of us. Get VQ's records about the waste facility. Did it breach when the dam did? Find out exactly what happened during the August flood. Find out what the emergency notification system was supposed to do. And that's where they're mainly out of compliance. You have some work to do about this, errant neighbors. And I look forward to hearing what you're going to do.

Thank you, sir. Thank you. And next we have Greg Alger.

Good evening, y'all. Good evening. I'm coming just to talk about a little bit about what several of my family members are concerned about and several people in this room. as the recurring theme here at the data center. A lot of the people that I know doesn't think the board's really concerned about them. I don't know if that's true or not. But what I've been told is y'all are supposed to represent us, our beliefs, our values. It's not like we're asking for y'all to do something illegal. But nobody I've talked to as mentioned, wanting a data center in this town. Nobody. There's too many negative side effects from having one. We just want to know that we're being taken care of. Most people think zoning is not the only option. There's got to be another option out there. I guess something I want to ask the supervisor as a whole. You really want your kids growing up with these data centers in their neighborhood states. You want your grandkids, your nieces, your nephews, your neighbors. You want them having to hear these data centers deal with the water shortages, the rise of electric bills that we get from them. Why can't you leave these data centers in Lowland County, Prince William County, Fairbanks, And we're all these areas that support Abigail's family. They don't care about this part of the state. Do we really think that doesn't fit in with our tourism industry around here? Nobody else does. And if it's a revenue tax income, revenue fund, why can't we get more backers in this place, in this county? I'm a lifelong, I have lived in Carroll County my whole life. We had Mayville, we had Cross Creek, we had all these other backers. They closed down. And we haven't really gotten a lot of jobs. We had Magnolia for decades. Now look at Magnolia. We are losing people too. take younger generations are now going elsewhere so they can find jobs but why can't we get factories in here instead of a data center uh it's something else that some of the folks that i know one border be reminded of no matter how long you've been on the board no matter how what your last name is what you've done respectfully Come election time, each and every one of you can be replaced if you don't represent your constituents. Thank you, sir.

Okay, next is Ron McLaughlin. You don't want to speak? Thank you, sir. Okay, next is Gene Bergaleta.

I want to first start off by saying I'm not for zoning and I'm not for data centers. I don't think those are our only, you know, it seems like if we're being given started out the noise about data centers and then it became the noise about zoning and then it became we have to have both of those things it sounded like from this board that in order to reel in data centers we need to have zoning so in other words both things are an inevitable thing it sounds like from this board and I don't believe that's the truth and honestly I think that a lot of the there's been a lot of be nice about this obfuscation as far as what uh danison is approaching carroll county it seems like we've been told many times oh nobody's approached us yet it hasn't it isn't which has been being talked about for quite a while now. So, you know, I don't think that we're being represented truthfully and with, you know, clarity. And I think we deserve that as residents of this county. And as the man said, you know, you guys are elected to represent us. And, you know, that's what we deserve and that's what we expect. So my question is to this board, at any point are we going to receive that clarity and that transparency as far as what's going on with these players who want to come in here and extract from our community, take our resources, drive up our electric rates, pollute our environment with noise and water pollution and whatever else, you know, they're they're obviously uh talk a good game they're going to tell us what they what we want to hear but i think that we need to go dig a little deeper and i think as a representative it's you guys who should be doing it for us because we elect you to do that so anyhow thank you for the time and uh appreciate it thank you sir

That's all I have. So moving on, I will entertain a motion to approve the minutes that was presented in your agenda. I'll make that motion. I have a motion by Mr. Collins. Do I have a second? Second. Okay. I'll start the vote on Mr. Wharton. Yes. Mr. Bryant. Yes. Mr. Early. Yes. Mr. Collins. Yes. Mr. Moore. Yes. And I vote yes. Okay. Next on the agenda is invoices. I would be invoices A81726. I'll entertain a motion to approve that invoice. as presented in your packet motion by mr moore do i have a second second okay second by mr warden we'll start the vote with mr warden yes mr early yes mr bryant yes mr cobb yes mr moore yes okay next up on the new business um we have a public hearing for the lodging tax I'll go back up a minute. I'll entertain a motion to approve the consent calendar as presented in your packet. I'll make a motion. Okay. I have a motion. I have a second. Second. Okay. I'll start by voting Mr. Moore. Yes. Mr. Collins. Yes. Mr. Bryant. Yes. Mr. Wharton. Yes. Mr. Early. Yes. And I vote yes. Thank you, Mr. Wharton. Okay. Next, we have a public hearing for the lodging tax. And I'll open that public hearing at 735. And no one signed up to speak on the board. Thank you. I'll close the public hearing at 736. I'll entertain a motion to approve the lodging tax as advertised or whatever your pleasure is. I'll make that motion, Joe. Okay, I have a motion by Mr. Horton. I have a second. Second. Second by Mr. Early. We'll start the vote with Mr. Moore. Mr. Chairman.

Yes, sir. Mr. Chairman. I just wanted to see if you could amend the motion. To approve the ordinance amended and restating the reordnance of chapter 27221 on our court. Sir. Sir. Thank you. I bet you have it in your packet. It's on the back side of it. This will take care of the 12 percent. Okay.

So the motion would be to approve the ordinance. Okay. So I need a motion to approve the ordinance, please. I move. Okay. Do I have a second? Sir. Okay. I'll start the vote over with Mr. Horton. yes mr erlin yes mr brunt yes mr collins yes mr moore yes another yes i did skip over it wasn't on my agenda sheet but uh invoices i'll go back to invoices i entertain a motion to approve um invoice b september 7 2026. i like that motion okay have a motion i have a second second Okay, start voting. Mr. Hurley? Yes. Mr. Horton? Yes. Mr. Brunt? Yes. Mr. Collins? Yes. Mr. Moore? Yes. And I vote yes. Okay, next on the agenda is the public hearing for the school budget amendment. I'll open it up at 7.38. Mr. Watson, do you want to tell us about that?

Okay, we approved it, went through the process and approved the budget this year to provide funding for Carroll County Schools. When we went through the process, we knew that the budget was not approved from the state, so the funding would change based on the approved Virginia state budget. The reason for having the public hearing is because the total budget change would be more than 1% of the budget. Out of this, the total revenues that were received by the schools would be $1,296,087. Of that, only $277,594 is local effort. We fund the school system at required local effort plus the additional programming. And this is part of that as well. So this is not an addition on top of our local required effort or the additional funding. Part of this funding they received was for special ed, at-risk school, federal dollars for school improvement. But the total amount of the change would be $1,296,087. if the board would like to move forward with it to vote to approve the budget appropriation request for fiscal year 26-27 okay we'll close the public hearing at 7 40. school budget amendment and i'll entertain a motion

Mr. Chairman, can I read the statement? Yes, sir.

Before you do that, today's discussion involves the county budget.

The discussion may include funding. It does include funding for the Carroll County School Board. As many of you know, I have a position and appointment with the Carroll County School Board with regard to the proposed funding of the school board.

The proposed funding would affect the entire school system generally, not myself individually. As a consequence, I'm a member of a group of three or more individuals who are for the Carroll County School Board. Similarly affected by the decision on the proposed funding, therefore in this situation, the exception of the Virginia State Local Conflict of Interest Act. BA coded section 2.2-3112B1 applies to this situation and complies with that section. And I hereby declare that I'm able to participate in this discussion and voting on this topic fairly objectively and in the public interest.

Thank you, Mr. Collins. And you did make a motion, Mr. Moore. So do I have a second? Second. Any discussion? And I'll start the vote with Mr. Moore. Yes. Mr. Collins? Yes. Mr. Hurley? Yes. Mr. Brunt? Yes. Mr. Horton? Yes. And I vote yes. And next on the agenda is our last public hearing, and this is for the disposition of property. This is the same one that we talked about specifically for a while. I'm going to start that public hearing at 741. Anyone want to sign up for that? Okay, we'll close the public hearing at 7.42. And I will entertain a motion if you want. You're talking about the ball field behind the, it's not the civic league building, correct? The use of the helicopter?

Yeah, the property that we're looking at, Disposing of would be the ball field. I'm not sure if both of them are listed in this. I think the original had both in there, but it only did one.

It just be the ball field. Okay. It's all entertained in motion. We want to do that or not. Okay. I have a motion by Mr. Brunton. I have a second.

question what is me conveying that property to the church is that correct yes they want to be filled up for the helicopter return I believe that's what the main thing is gonna maintain it and give it the allow some people to use it as far as we still use it as a landing and I use baseball I'll second it okay

I have a second. So we'll start to vote with Mr. Moore. Mr. Collins. Yes. Mr. Erland. Yes. Mr. Brown. Yes. Mr. Horton. Yes. And I vote yes. Okay, next under new business is the, excuse me, personal property tax relief. This was revised. So whereas the personal property tax relief act of 1998 Virginia code 58 dash one thirty five twenty three extra session has been substantially modified by the enactment of chapter one of the accident assembly 2004 special session one senate bill 5005 and the provisions of item 503 of chapter 951 of the 2005 acts of assembly the 2005 revisions to the 2004 six appropriations act here and after cited as the 2005 appropriations act So now there will therefore be resolved by the Caribbean water supervisors that qualifying vehicles obtaining within the county during tax year 2026 shall receive personal property tax relief in the following manner. So personal use vehicles valued at $1,000 or less will be eligible for 100% tax relief. Personal use vehicles valued at $1,001 to $20,000 will be eligible for 22.55% tax relief. Personally use vehicles valued at $20,001 or more shall receive $22.55 tax relief on the first $20,000 of the bay. And all other vehicles which do not meet the definition of qualifying business use vehicles, farm use vehicles, motorhomes will not be eligible for any form of tax relief in this program. So I'll entertain a motion that we adopt this resolution. Do I have a second? Second. Any discussion? Start with Mr. Erland? Yes. Mr. Horton? Yes. Mr. Collins? Yes. Mr. Brown? Yes. Mr. Moore? Yes. Okay, next on the agenda is a board request for school resource officer funding, and this is the requested funding in amounts of $163,000 for SRO positions at the Ray Center and Laurel Elementary, is that correct? All right. These funds were included in the budget in anticipation of the grant reward, but we didn't get the grant. That's what I'm understanding. Okay. So, of course, we do have letters from Sheriff Kemp and Mr. Huff. Mr. Edwards asking us to fund these positions. So, I'll entertain the motion that we fund these or so we get motion to fund thank you motion by Mr. Bryant to fund and second by Mr. Moore so we'll start the vote with Mr. Collins yes Mr. Erland yes Mr. Moore yes Mr. Bryant yes Mr. Warden yes and I vote yes thank you and next on the agenda is old business does anyone have any old business Yeah. Okay. So next on the agenda, we have a resolution, um, where the governor of Virginia has announced an additional four days off on Friday, September 4th, and reservements of labor day, which has already happened. So four hours, all they got to have tonight. So we just ended off the resolution that we approved the additional four hours off. I have a second. second all right started by Mr. Wharton yes Mr. Brown yes Mr. Early yes Mr. Collins yes Mr. Moore yes and I vote yes yeah all right now we'll move on to old business does anyone have any old business okay if not we're going to move on to board member comments and I will start with Mr.

Early mr chairman i think board member comments should wait until after the closed second closed session um yeah we've already made the most right for german so we're going to go ahead and will i'll say my comments for last

Okay. Let's start with Mr. Horton. I just want to say thank you to all the staff for everything you're doing. I would like to make a motion, if I could, Mr. Chairman. Yes, sir. First motion I'd like to make tonight, I'd like to make a motion to give Piper's Gap Rescue Squad the requested $33,669.69 to reimburse them for funds used from their savings to repair and upgrade the equipment received from the rescue squad. Okay. I have a motion.

I have a second. Second. Mr. Watson, is that good? That form? Which one?

The briber's gap. We just need to have a motion to approve the amount and to appropriate the funds.

Okay. All right. We've got it done. I've got a motion and a second. I'll start the vote with Mr. Moore. Yes. Mr. Collins. Yes. Mr. Early.

Yes. Mr. Bryant. Yes. Mr. Horton. Yes. And I vote yes. and i do have another motion i'd like to make uh mr chairman yes sir i'd like to make a motion to replace the proceed of board members the parent board meeting board members from the proceed board for carroll county with ronnie collins and tracy moore okay i have a motion that we're going to be replacing mr early and mr watson correct that's correct with mr collins and mr horn that's correct all right you'll have a second second any discussion mr chairman

I would absolutely love to step away from it, but you probably need to have bylaws changed. If the board would like, I will not attend meetings, but the bylaws say that it has to be the county administrator appointment. Okay. So I'd be more than happy not to go, but you wouldn't have that person there.

Bylaws say administrator? Yes, sir. Okay. I thought it said a county employee as well. Okay, I've got government body members and employees may serve. It's under 1.4, Article 1, and receipt of bylaws.

Okay, I stand corrected.

As members of the respective government bodies of each member locality may be appointed as members. Mr. Chairman, just looking through the code, I think this isn't something we discussed ahead of time so this is something I might recommend you table for now.

just to make sure that we have authority to do that mid-term. Some bodies that you all appoint to, you have the right to remove at will, but the Enabling Legislation 15.2-6400 at SEC appears to provide a set term of four years for members.

Um, I believe we're finished. I think we'll end voting. We have a motion. Who made the motion? I made the motion. Okay, do we have a second? I second. Okay. We'll start the voting with Mr. Moore? Aye. Mr. Collins? Aye. Mr. Horton? Yes. Mr. Bryant? Yes. Mr. Erland? No. And I vote yes.

Thank you. And the last thing I got tonight, I just want to tell all the citizens, thank you guys for coming out and participating tonight. We appreciate your guys' interaction with us. We are listening. I just want to tell you guys, thank you again. That's all I got. Okay, Mr. Bryant. Yeah, just echo what Mr. Horton said and just appreciate you guys coming out. We are working on things. I know it don't seem like it, but We're definitely working on things. We do have the best interest of the citizens and the counties and I appreciate our staff and this board.

That's all I got.

Thank you. Mr. Moore.

I'd like to echo what Bill said. You know, thank everybody for coming out.

You know, We had a good time at the fair. Good to see the citizens. Thank all the volunteers and the people that worked at the fair. Our county employees, you know, I was there a couple nights and our county employees were there. A lot of them every night working at the fair. So, it was good to see and appreciate them. That said, you know, I know that some of the things have been hot topics for our citizens, you know. Seems like me and Mr. Collins have got to put in a hot seat on the pursuit board now, so just bear with us, understand it started tonight. That's all I have to say.

Thank you, Mr. Moore.

Mr. Collins?

Yeah, first of all, I want to thank everybody for coming out. I appreciate the fact that you're here being involved. That means a lot to this county. It means a lot to me as a board member. Thank you for your patience to the county as we work out the details of the trash. I know we've had some snafus and some a lot of people happy a lot of people that have concerns but you know what i'm trying to tell people is when you contact me we'll get something done mike's been wonderful to work with and getting the things ironed out but we're close to getting all that ironed out and it's a it's a great benefit to our people so i'm glad that it's there and i appreciate your patience thank you to our county staff thank you to our Fire Rescue, Sheriff's Department, EMS. I mean, the way this county works together, I appreciate that very much. So thank you for all that. And that being said, Mr. Chairman, I have a motion that I'd like to make.

Yes, sir. Mr. Collins.

Based upon the clear and consistent opposition expressed by the citizens of Carroll County, I move that the Board of Supervisors decline to pursue or adopt the proposed countywide zoning ordinance. further that we withdraw any previous direction or referral concerning that proposal. Request that the Planning Commission terminate its consideration of it. Direct county staff not to spend additional time or public bonus developing countywide zoning unless specifically authorized by a future recorded vote of this board.

Thank you Mr. Collins. I have your motion. Um basically we're going to direct this uh excuse me the Planning Commission to stop work. We're not going to work on zoning um soon we'll have a second for that motion second second by mr bryant any discussion if not i'll start with mr moore yes mr collins yes mr bryant yes mr horton yes mr hurley i stand as a member of the planning commission and i vote yes anything else mr collins oh i'm sorry that's all i have okay So, I've got a few things I want to get into. One thing on the, this will be our, this is, you know, the old mill, you know, there was 8 to 9 inches of rain that night. We do have sympathy, empathy for the people there, but we've explained to Mr. Smith several times, we're not the enforcement agency. We don't have regulatory We don't regulate or have enforcement authority over impounds. And there was no emergency action responses implemented because no one called 911. No emergency call from me. I mean, war boots on the ground will come if you call for emergency. But no one called. We weren't even notified by him until almost a week later that they had been abandoned. VCR did not invoke emergency response procedures or determine that emergency existed. So there was no emergency response for us to be, yeah, they are in violation, which we know that, but again, we're not the enforcement. Enforcement is VCR, which, you want to say anything about that, Mr. Felsermonica? I mean, I know you're all working with them and they're going to regulate it and get it, you know, and then we'll have a copy of it on hand.

and that's that's where it lays so i would just say that dcr is actively involved and they are the regular agency come to the market for me please mark So to my knowledge, DCR is the regulatory agency, and they are actively involved in working with the dam. Either they submitted a formalized letter advising them of the status of their noncompliance. And we, as Emergency Management, we're definitely in support of any action that needs to happen. We are to be a stakeholder and a community partner with all of our dam owners. And at their request, we work with them, help them, give them guidance. participate in tabletop exercises review their plans and things of that nature but we can only do that when those dam owners that are required by the regulation to submit that to us so our plan moving forward is to reach out to all of our dam owners and ask them if they do have an emergency action plan would they share that with us which they are supposed to do but we can ask them And our plan moving forward is to, at least on an annual basis, reach out to each of our debt owners, let them know that we're interested, and if we don't hear from them, then we will let DCR know that we have not heard anything. And I feel like that would be our due diligence.

Okay, thank you. I appreciate that. I hate that he's laughing. Okay, the next thing I have, I want to discuss, you know, something about debtors centers. And again, I mean, some of you have been here. I've lived all my life here, too. I've got kids here. It's hard to find jobs. I mean, I know what you're talking about. And I've driven away most of my life to work. We're not sitting here meeting with data centers. It's a by-right state. You can be working on one right now, and I wouldn't know it. And you can sort it up. So it's not like we're sitting down having conversations with all these data centers that come in. um you know is there some things we can do i'm hoping um in the psa one thing we did do was we passed a policy that uh passed it tonight as a matter of fact that any any commercial or industrial user that will require more than 40 000 gallons per day of drinking water capacity of such a daily consumption would have They can't just come in and PSA and take 300,000 gallons. They've gotta come for permission. 40,000 gallons seems like a lot of water, but that's not a lot of water. I mean, there's a lot of places using more than that, but that's a big step in my opinion. And I thank the PSA more for taking that step that we did. Another thing that I would like to do is Monday, Chris was not here, so can you tell me what Monday is? Monday I'm about to advertise a meeting Monday September 14th at 530 to draft and adopt a data center ordinance that we can move forward with if you advertise it Mr. Watson and also I think we need to have a joint meeting with Bursita on Tuesday 5.30 will be Monday, the data center. And Tuesday is 5.30. Let's do 5.30 for Tuesday as well. Do what? No. It's the third because we have the social services. Yeah, we should be good. They'll meet the week of the 21st.

Will those be public?

Yes, there'll be some public portion. I mean, we're probably going to, you know, have some conversations. You know, this is our first conversation we've received as a board. So, but we will have some public comment, yes, or at least give you some transparency about what we talked about. Of course. Yes, yes.

Will it be here?

Yes, ma'am. Yes, ma'am. So the meeting Monday probably won't last very long. We'll have to draft an ordinance for the data centers. But you're welcome to come at 5.30. We'll do them both at 5.30 if that works for everybody. Make it simple. Monday and Tuesday. Okay. And make sure I'm not missing. I'm sorry.

And I'll have to ask, Mr. Watson, on the appropriation for the ambulances, do I need to appropriate that from the CIP or for the ambulances?

It would have to be appropriated from the CIP. Is the CIP, is that a line item on the CIP now?

It would have, we would have to, I can adjust it. We only have $406,000.

So my motion could be to do $539,695 for an ambulance and direct staff for the two ambulances and... Appropriate it out of the CIP. Appropriate it out of the CIP.

We have $450,000 in CIP now. Correct. That's my motion. Okay. All right. I have a motion that's... Appropriate 539-695 for two ambulances from Carroll EMS. Second. Second. Is that Mr. Brown? Mr. Horton. Mr. Horton. Okay. I'll start with Mr. Collins. Yes. Mr. Moore. Yes. Mr. Early. Yes. Mr. Brown. Yes. Mr. Horton. Yes. And I vote yes. Okay.

And that's all. Did you want to say something for me? I did. I wanted to echo what Mr. Brown said. You know, we do listen. I think it's obvious by some of the actions we've taken tonight that we do listen. To the gentleman that launched manufacturing back here, it went to China, and it ain't coming back. You know, new tech is where jobs are going to be created, and that's perhaps data centers or something else, but we're not going to have furniture plant factories or textile factories here in Carroll County. Those days are long gone. We need to look to the future, and the future is information, and that's what data centers are. I also want to say I'm sorry I could not attend the county fair. I know it was a big success. The weather was pretty good. I had other obligations that I had to attend to, and I wish I could have been there. But again, thanks to the staff for all they do. Thank you.

Mr. Kemp, I think he wants to address Sheriff Kemp. He'll come on forward, please, sir.

Good evening, gentlemen.

Good evening.

Good to see you all. I just want to take a moment of your time. Personally, thank you for working with my office and with our school system on behalf of all of us for what you decided to do. I know it wasn't easy. I know we were faced with a decision that we wasn't expecting for July 14th when that very receipt from the Department of Community Services. It was hard to try to make sure that burden was put on all of us. You've all read that information. But I just want to publicly say I hate that we all got put in that situation from our state, but we all know that that's what we do. We signed up to do this. I just want to personally thank all of you and the staff in the county minister's office for taking the time in this community, my staff, the community, the schools, and helping make that happen. Thank you so much. We appreciate it. Thank you.

Mr. Hudson, do you want to say anything? I'll just echo what Sheriff Gibson said. Thank you all. Thank you. Okay, I want to move on to county administrator comments. None tonight. County attorney comments. Not since. All right, thank you. And we're going to... GO BACK INTO CLOSED SESSION. MR. MEMBER OF THE AIRPORT, FINISH OUR CONVERSATION.

THAT'S THE ONLY THING WE'LL BE DISCUSSING IN THERE, NOT THAT THERE ARE MEANS. YES, MR. CHAIRMAN, THAT WOULD BE 2.237, ELEMENT 8.1, DISCUSSION, CONSIDERATION, AND INTERVIEWS OF RESPECTIVE CANDIDATES FOR EMPLOYMENT, ASSIGNMENT, APPOINTMENT, PROMOTION, PERFORMANCE, DEMOTION, SALARIES, DISCIPLINING, OR RESIGNATION OF SPECIFIC PUBLIC OFFICERS, APPOINTEES, OR EMPLOYEES OF ANY PUBLIC BODY. AND AS YOU SAID, IF YOU DO ANYTHING RELATED TO THE AIRPORT. OKAY. And what was that under? A1. A1. And before we're, while we're still in open session, I would ask Mr. Early, to the extent that you were present for part of the discussion in closed session, just if you could certify that during the portion that you were talking about during the first closed session, that only members, that only matters that were lawfully exempt from disclosure were discussed while you were there.

Can you reference the 3711 section that I was present for? I will certify that.

Yes.

A8.

Uh, an A8.

A8.

A8, yes. I so certify that A8 was in accordance with the closed session motion.

Um, it was, um, Also covered the... We also ordered A6. I'm sorry. Yeah, A6 will be fine.

It was the funding stuff. And A6. Also certified. Thank you.

Okay, so we need to make a new motion to go into closed session under A1. Is A1 all Mr. Durbin? That's all that I have. Okay. So I'll entertain a upon motion to move and close session for discussions authorized by Virginia code section 2.2-3711a1 this of course will be back for discussion and we're also in this motion we want to invite back in closed session Jeff Wimory thank you Wimory okay so I have a do I have a motion so moved okay second second Mr. Wharton yes Mr. Bryant yes Mr. Herland yes Mr. Collins yes Mr. Moore yes