Zoning Board of Appeals - Regular Meeting

Please stand for the pledge of allegiance. I aliance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for it stands one nation under God indivisible with liberty and justice for all. Good evening. Welcome to the plan board meeting of December 11th, 2025. First on the agenda is Michael Festo, 52 Craft Road. Mike, did you have any comments on this? I have nothing on the resolution. Rich, it's on for a resolution.

And you have the resolution before you, Mr. Chairman. Any questions from this was a regrading application couple of weeks, a couple months ago actually, right? Yes. And I think the question at hand at the time was the project came forward with Phil, but then we talked more and more about the project. There was Phil from a previous project prior to the Yeah. And I believe you clarified all that. Correct, Jack? We we resampled all that and uh everything was clean. Any questions for me? Nope. We need a motion to adopt the regrading application resolution. [clears throat and cough]

Mr. Chairman, I'll make a motion to adopt the resolution of the planning board of the town of Caramel number 25-31 December 11th, 2025. Tax map number 65.12-1-11 Festo 52 Crafts Road Regrading Plan. Second. All in favor? I. Thanks, Jack. I have the next one. Yep. Next on the agenda is Greg Pelrini, 381 East Lake Boulevard. Mike, I don't believe you had any comments, nor Rich. Correct. And Pat, it's off for resolutions. Yep. And you have the resolution, Mr. Chairman.

Last time we looked at this, I believe there was someone from the audience that um objected. Um, anything new since then, Jack? Excuse me. Anything new with this project? No. Any questions from the board? [snorts] Okay, we need another motion, please. So, chairman, I'll offer resolution to the planning board of the town of Carmel, number 25-32, December 11, 2025. Tax map number 65.12-1-11, Pelgro, 381 East Lake Boulevard, regrading plan. Second. All in favor? Hi.

Thank you very much. Thanks, Jeff.

Next on the agenda is Birdie Batista, also for resolution. I don't believe any of the consultants had any uh questions. Correct. This has been on this has been around for a while. Any questions from the board? No, Mr. Chairman, I have not. If not, we need a motion. I'll make a motion to for the resolution of the planning board of the town of Caramel number 25-33, December 11th, 2025, tax map 75.16-1-9. Uh Verie Batista, uh final site plan approval. I'll second. All in favor? I

Joel, they did did a nice job cleaning up that property. Yes, they did. the family right in front of you. Thank you. Thank you. Next on the agenda is Mayor Pack Falls fire volunteer fire department for amended site plan. Mike, I believe you had some comments.

Yeah, they want to put an addition on the firehouse on Laro Lane and May. The addition will be storage for the antique historic fire truck and I think they said a training area. Um I want to meet with Joel to discuss our new code. are the newer code in March has building coverage and lot coverage. Our zoning table requires um lot coverage which includes all paved surfaces um other things that are impervious. So this all has to be on the plat. We're going to have to go over that make sure because it just looked like you were a little late but I could be wrong. We'll we'll discuss it afterwards. Variances required from GBA for the rear yard. 25 is required. 10.05 provided 14.95 foot varances required. And there is a wetland out front. I don't know if you're 100 feet from there. Um, we should take a look at our wetland map and see what that lines up with.

Excuse my where? Over here. That green area you're showing. This is joking Joel. In the front there's a stream by 6. Yeah, there's Where's 100 foot? Just show the wetland bound. What's that? Just show the 100 foot buffer. Okay, we'll do. But the change in the code is what uh it's no longer building coverage. It's now law coverage for all imperous surfaces. Okay. Thanks, Mike. Rich, [snorts] can I just ask Joel a question? Sure. Joel, what is that green area you have shown there?

Oh, uh actually Mike, your comment about the change in the zoning. Uh I did that and all everything you see in green is grass or planting and so on and so forth and everything else is part of the code that was changed and requiring the lot coverage. So we did a calculation and uh we will need one more variant because based on the code the new code uh you're allowed to have 65% coverage of everything what any everything that's impervious that's the building paving so on etc etc. This is what's left is the green area. So basically when you multiply excuse me divide by what's the area of the site you come up with 75%. So we will need a a variance in addition to the side to the rear yard variance.

And Joel, is that exclusive of the D parcel? Yes. If you take a look here, this is this is the fire department's parcel. Okay. And that's what you did the math on. Just that parcel. Yes. Oh, yeah. And the uh the the stream that uh Mike and Rich are talking about is up, like you said, by 6N. Uh way several hundred feet away. Just show the the line. That's all. Oh, yeah. We'll show it. Of course. Please continue.

So, uh, this is to construct a two-story addition to the existing Mayapac Volunteers Fire Department uh, building. It includes the addition of patios, concrete pad, and a driveway at 17 Lucaro Court uh, Lane, sorry, in Mayek. Uh, referrals to Mayapac Falls Fire Department, which is quite obvious. Uh, Putnham County Department of Planning, DO, I don't know what they're doing with bathrooms or any other facilities in there. town of Caramel Highway. Um the permits would be for New York State DEEC for storm water. They're disturbing over the 5,000 foot threshold. Joel has acknowledged that and has an engineer that's going to be there. Uh Putnham County for well septic just in case it's necessary. Uh town caramel highway driveway permit if the board can notice where that black is and in between the two green where it's white. That's a brand new driveway that's going in there on a on a cut and fill. So that needs to have a driveway permit. Um may have to provide a storm water maintenance agreement. Uh and any public improvements may need to have a bond posted. Uh detailed comments I have about 13 of them. Uh but provide a legend on the drawing. Show all regrading uh for the project. Um show the location of the stabilized construction entrance for this. Uh mount of fill being to the site should be provided. All manifest should be provided for that. How drainage is going to be addressed from this new building. So right now it's grass area. How are we addressing drainage? Where is it going? Um uh applicant you don't address storm water amount of traffic that they're uh anticipating. Uh vehicle movements around the plan graphic representation. All those standard comments I normally make uh slopes at the entrance uh you know need to meet count town code. any landscaping plan for the rear and side of the building should be provided. Uh light spill plan should be provided and

all the other ones are fairly straightforward. It's just details on curving and sidewalks and all that kind of stuff and the town of Cormal's driveway specifications also. Thanks Rich Pat.

Um so a few things. So before we learned about what they were choosing to put in that garage, the angled parking spa or garage space was unusual for an emergency service facility where vehicles would and apparatus would be going out and coming in frequently. Joel then clarified that it's for their antique piece of equipment which is a ceremonial thing and only gets used occasionally. That being the case, no real problem with that angled parking space. We want to make sure it stays being used that way and they don't put active apparatus in there though. So that may be a condition of approval or learn some more about how that fac how that would be used. But as a ceremonial parking space for a piece of equipment that doesn't move around a lot, it's fine the way it's proposed. Um couple things. They've shown a new patio behind the facility. So what's going on in the patio? Is it a training area? Do they, you know, dry out hoses in there or is it for recreational use or whatever? So, understanding that, I noticed from the plan there's a retaining wall around that. So, give us the details of the retaining wall, Joel. How high is it? What's going on? Is there any excavation to to deal with that area back there?

Okay, no problem. I noticed you're also relocating the fuel storage tank. So, what's happening to the old tank? Is there any D permitting or DEC permitting required for that? Just clarify that for us. Well, whatever the fire department has to do as far as mo movement or permits obviously we'll get. Yeah. So, it's just a question of what what do you need and tell us what you need. Um the driveway that Rich mentioned before appropriate location, but there is a driveway in the residence across the street. So, there should be some coordination. Ideally, we don't want offset jogs. You want to kind of align it with the adjacent driveway so there's appropriate

Pat, before you go on, let me just clarify that before I forget. This driveway is basically for the two handicap spots. There are no uh fire department fire department vehicles that going to be here. And the reason for this uh as you as you can see there are two handicap spots here. And because of the way things worked out in the existing building, this these two handicap spots will allow anyone who's handicapped to come into the new building. And the second floor of the of the new building is in line with their large uh room in the in the old building. So this is basically basically uh it's just one entrance uh that will take them uh uh to this uh existing room and of course uh the second floor of the new addition.

Right. Understood, Joel. I didn't I did not think that was being used for apparatus. It's still a driveway. Make it clear. That's all. It's still a driveway. So the road's nice and level and straight. There are no sight distance issues, but we just want to make sure it's aligned appropriately with the adjacent driveways. Of course. What if somebody wants to go downstairs if they go in that door to see the um anti- fire truck? What's that? I'm sorry. If they want to go downstairs from that door, the staircase, if you look the stairs, no elevator. No. Okay. So, they would have to go outside if they were disabled. If they're in a wheelchair, they're going to have to go out and around to see the antique fire truck. Correct. Oh, yeah. Yes. Well, if they're coming to see the antique car truck, there's also handicap parking in the existing parking lot. So they can park here [snorts] and just wheel themselves over to the ENT.

And I don't think there's handicap parking both above and below. And I don't think anybody mentioned, Mr. Chairman, but this site is adjacent to a D owned parcel that the fire department leases. And that's that all that additional parking that you see when you drive by. That's all D adjacent property. There's a lease agreement. We've seen it. Um and it they it's just been renewed till 202 29. So they're good to go with respect to that. Joel, is there anything in the lease agreement relative to the expansion? Is there any prohibition for expansion from the final in the lease agreement? No, there's no there's no no restriction. [clears throat]

And Rich mentioned landscaping. So the the where the build the new additions going in the back of the building, if you've been there, that whole side of the building, it's just a lawn area. There's really no landscaping there. So your typical position is, let's see if we can add some landscaping and pretty up the site. You may want to consider some. Well, again, just uh this all all this area here is not pvious. It's not is pvious. So, this this is the area we can No, I'm I'm But it's lawn. So, no, I'm I'm saying let me finish. So, I I said this is the area where we can put some landscaping. That's where I'm suggesting you should put it. So, that's fine. You got plenty of room to do it. I think it's not a big lift for No problem. Um and those are my comments, Mr. Chairman.

Thanks, Pat. So, Joel, why don't you give us an overview of the entire project? Absolutely. consultants. But um

the highlighted area here is the area of the uh property that's owned by the Mayapac Falls Fire Department. This area over here is what the existing building exists. The parking is most of their parking is in the uh agreement with the New York New York City D. And that's all signed, sealed, and delivered. Uh, as Rich said, the closest uh stream is up by Route 6, which is far more than 100 feet away from what we're doing. Uh, these are the areas, as uh, Pat just mentioned where we can get some landscaping, but this is the addition here, and it's going to be a two-story addition. Uh, I'll show you the plans in a second. Uh and there'll be on the lower floor this uh antique fire truck will be parked there and there'll be areas there for them to do training and stuff like that within the building. Uh the second floor will have some additional offices. Uh and u what this area here if you've been in the building this is a large area where they can rent out for parties and stuff like that. So that's going to remain and the what we did is we made sure that the elevation of this second floor and the elevation of the second floor of the new building are are in in you know basically the same elevation. So that works out that like that and as we said talked about before we have the two handicaps parking spaces here and we still have handicap parking existing handicap portion uh you know down here. But as far as the flow of traffic and the and pedestrian traffic what what you see here is this is not changing. The only difference is we're having this entrance off uh Hillside Avenue uh for the handicap parking and there'll be obviously a man door here to get into the uh second floor of the building. Uh I think that's that's about it. Let me just show you the uh plans.

This is the this is the existing building over here. From this point over is where the addition is. And this is the truck that uh Pat was talking about the NT truck which will be basically stationed there. Uh this will nothing here will be used when the god forbid when there's a fire. So that all those trucks will be coming out of the existing building. Uh and this is that entrance we were talking about over here. And um the again this is a existing staircase here. So someone can just come over here and get up to the second floor. Questions from the board?

Yeah. So Joel, so that's the second sorry [clears throat] the second floor. Is that building ADA compliant? So would anybody who would need any kind of assistance to get up there? Well, yes. I mean all of the uh bathroom facilities are all handicap accessible. Right. Can people get up to the second floor?

Yes. Yes. As uh as I showed you before, uh on the on the site plan, uh the the driveway coming out to Hillside Avenue has handicap parking and a handicapped person can just come in the building and get into the all these areas on the second floor. And if they want to go down the first floor, there's handicap parking on the other side of the building. So they can get into the to look at the antique fire truck and so on and so forth. So there's access access to the second floor for handicapped people. Not within the building. You can't go between floors from inside. If you're if you're in a wheelchair. Yeah, that's correct. Joel, on the left side of the property, um I'm sorry.

On the left side of the property, the the property itself, maybe go back to the site plan. Sure. Um what is going on with the adjacent property? Uh you know what what's the nature of it? This one? Yeah. Okay. There's an existing one family house there. And how far away from the property line is that house? Well, there's there's a a fence along here. The house is probably I would say 30 40 50 feet from the from your Yeah, it's a probably between 40 and 50 feet from the property. So the house in scale, if you use the scale, the house would be somewhere's over here. And how high? And it's also, I might add, it's very heavily wooded there if you pass by the site.

And how high is the uh building to be? Well, again, the height of the building will be the same height as the existing firehouse, which is two stories, but it will not be above that if that's your question. It's one story on the one side facing the road to the bottom. I don't know if that's north, southeast, or west. And it's two stories in the back where you uh come in with fire truck. Okay. Do we have architecturals of this yet? There's different portions of the building that are clad and brick and some has siding. Like, is it going to be consistent across? Yes. Extension here. We're going to try to make it so it's looks all like one single building. Yes. Joel, I think it would be beneficial to us if you had a rendering since we do played the role of a architectural review.

Oh, yes, of course. Over. This is the first time we want to introduce the project, but we would like to see a rendering. Absolutely. Absolutely. And Mr. Chairman, I I did not mention we deal we do need to deal with Seeker for this. It's an unlisted action. So, you can start by tonight designating your your intent to be lead agency. Great. Um, wouldn't it behoove the fire department? First of all, let me introduce Chris Tomkins who is the fire chief.

Nice to meet you. Pat hit on earlier about angled parking spaces for the antique truck. Why not have the flexibility if the department grew, if you had to put the antique truck somewhere else to be able to use that garage or that bay for a I don't want to say real fire truck, but a fire truck that's in action all the time. I mean, you're going to go through this trouble. You're going to have a you're really limiting the use of that addition by having an angled parking space. Do you know what I mean? Yeah, I know exactly what you mean. Chris, do you want to

I mean, I'd rather since you're here in front of the board, I'd rather do it once and do it right in my opinion than fit in the angled truck. Sure. Hi, my name is Chris Tomkins with the current fire chief of the May Fire Department. So, the idea for this section here was to optimize as much space as we can, not only down here, but on the second floor. And in order to do that, putting a 45 degree angled bay um was the best option. We currently have no need and nor you know do I believe we'll ever need a need uh to add any more apparatus than we already have. Um we have an abundance of apparatus right now. How many do you have?

We have 11 currently. Three chief's vehicles and uh eight fire apparatus between two firehouses. Um we have three up at Austin Road and Bullet Hole and the rest are down here. Um and with our current state of EMS, we have two ambulances which one of them is currently in the process of being sold. Uh so that will also open up another bay for us there. Um now this this space from the beginning uh was meant for training. Right now, if we want to do any type of training in uh the winter months or when it gets cold or extremely hot, we have to pull all the apparatus out and do all of our training on that floor. The idea was to have this space where we just have the antique here or we have the antique off to the side and we can still utilize this space without pulling all the apparatus out, you know, and leaving everything outside. And you know, we have mazes and stuff that we can set up and it's a burden for us to pull it up, pull it out, set everything up, which could take an hour or two, and then, you know, we have to take it all down rather than leaving it up for a few weeks, utilizing it every night, having the guys come down, do the training. We don't have that option right now. We have to take it all down. And every single time we want to use this stuff, whether it be um forcible entry door or like I said the mazes, um all our apparatus has to be pulled out to do that. Um having this would allow us to utilize that, leave it up for extended periods of time and uh allow our membership to train more um and can't get enough training. So that was the idea of this as well. It was never meant to house um a responding piece of apparatus for a long period of time. And when Joel had initially told me about the 45 degree angle and apparat apparatus hitting, I was like, well, that kind of does make sense, but it never passed, you know, never came about my mind because that's

not that was never the intent of this uh renovation. Just one clarification. So the type of training that you described, you'd be able to do all of that with the antique truck parked inside. Sure. It's this is this truck here for scale. He put it there just so we had a visual as a firefighter and how big the space actually was. This is the um this is bigger than our largest truck that we have. So the antique is quite smaller than that. So even if we we could put it over here and we still have a an abundance, you know, a large area for for training still. So you're showing a modern truck right now.

This is a modern truck that again Joel put there for reference for us just so we can get an idea of how big the space actually is. I was going to say you should show it's a long pickup truck now, right? It's about the width of a pickup. [clears throat] More antique. Yeah, the antique. It's not much bigger than a pickup except longer. It's probably about five five to eight feet longer than a modern F250. Yeah. So, Joel, uh, thank you, by the way. You're welcome. Thank you.

Uh, Joel, when you come back, I think we'd like to see a landscape plan because, of course, I was out. It's close to a lot of houses. Wherever you can landscape, um, I think that'd be beneficial. Well, I think your point is well taken and as you can see from the site plan, get that up there. Again, I as was mentioned, there are residences all along hillside and most of our landscaping will be facing the one family residence, which I think will be a a plus for everybody. Good. And Joel, if the materials on the new part are going to be different than the existing materials, if you could bring us in samples so we can get a look at the

Oh, yeah, of course. Well, we'll bring samples of the materials also. We'll start with the rendering first. Yeah, and then we'll go to sample if we like, you know. Okay. Well, it's all purple. Okay. All right. We need a motion to declare lead agency. Mr. Chairman, I'll make a motion to declare planning board lead agency. Second. All in favor? I just one other thing is possible to uh we have we need two variances to get to the zoning board because we'd like to start this project uh obviously as soon as the weather breaks. Uh it's two small variances. Uh one for rear yard and one as Mike said for the uh lot coverage. Do you have the actual number on the lot coverage?

Yes, I do. It happened to come out to exactly 75. Uh 75.5 to be exact. I I think we can do that since you need to come back to us anyway. Really? I think we can do that. Yeah. Um knowing they have to come back to us anyway. Oh, yeah. I mean, obviously we're going to be coming back to this board several times. There's quite a bit need to work on here, but I don't see anything really major. Um sure, we can speed things up for the fire department. Why not? Good. Thank you. Thank you. Oh, don't you have to make a motion? I'll make a motion to deny the applicant to the zoning board. Second. All

in favor? Need the stamp. I try to give you one, sir. Yeah, it would have worked over here. I could do it with my feet.

Thank you, sir. Thanks, Joel. Thank you very much. And uh happy new year. Merry Christmas. Happy Hanukkah. And uh we'll see you in the new year. Thanks. What's that? Happy.

Thank you. Next on the agenda is Carmel Residential 119 Seminary Hill Road site plan and subdivision. Mike. Yeah. The applicant proposes to develop a lot off Seminary Hill Road at Mechanic Street in Carmel with 40 town houses. They're adding one unit now to the 39 that was approved, but it's still 10 less than they originally started with. So, we're still in within everything. That's good. They are well under the allowable units per acre and total units allowed by right and there were three variances that were already granted by zoning board. There is no problem with zoning.

Thank you Mike Rich.

So the board has previously following up with Mike seek a negative declaration for the project uh in October. The applicant has submitted plans to add a uh an additional unit to the proposed development. So the impervious area and pat sealing from Pat on this increased about an acre, a little less than an acre. A limited disturbance increased about a tenth of an acre. Applicants traffic consultant confirmed that the prior traffic analysis was conservative and its conclusions uh and finding remain unchanged. We should have our traffic consultant review that. They've also with the increase in the water and sewer, we should have our water and sewer consultants uh review this new submitt to make sure it's uh meets the requirements that were already approved under the negative declaration. After that, if the board moves with the next negative decoration uh secret declaration on this, they still have to address all the other comments that we're still, you know, reviewing with them. But uh there is sufficient uh we checked today there is sufficient uh escrow in the accounts for the uh consultants to look at that. We just need the board to give us the guidance on that right now. It shouldn't take much to do it.

Pat,

um so Zach can explain it further, but it's my understanding that their work with the DP resulted in some changes to their storm water management plans which opened up some area. That's why that that last um string of buildings would be expanded a little bit and they'd add the one unit to that um that string of town houses. So count sort of counterintuitive that D wound up giving them the ability to add a unit that normally doesn't come out of D. So that was a bit surprising. Um all we need to do tonight really is to So when we adopted the negative declaration, it was simply very specific to 39 units in the prior plan. So, we have to update that to reflect the one additional unit. My opinion is there's probably not a significant change from 39 to 40 in terms of traffic and sewer and water. Rich is right. We just need our guys to confirm that so the record is clear. So, tonight what you could do is direct us to prepare that updated neck deck. We would bring it back to you at the next meeting and then they would continue their review. So, Zach, tell us the what what impact you see from the additional unit.

Yeah. So, this is just a blow up the overlay we provided to you guys. Um, and what you can see, this blue line here is the limits of disturbance on the 39 unit plan and the red line here. So, basically this piece right here is the the only additional disturbance associated with adding an additional unit. Um, as part of us addressing some of the comments with the DP, they had some questions just about water movement back here. So, we we we looked at this area, got the variances and said, "Hey, we could probably squeeze one more unit, still keep the units distanced enough far enough apart based on the variance to get an additional unit here, not change the length of the road at all, not, you know, get up on top with the vistas, which we we went back and forth with you guys on a while for a while, you know, relative to the the visual impacts. um you know it's a it's a 1% increase and in in total area disturbance it's like a 1.5% increase in um limits or impervious area the water and sewer flows go up by one unit a couple hundred gallons each again we're talking a percent you know I fully you know understand you guys have to review that the traffic again we had a letter said that when they did their review at 39 it was done conservatively at that point anyway so you know we thought, hey, when we're doing this, if we can get one more and the impacts really are that minor, might as well take advantage of it.

And I just want to point out that the our initial concern was that they would be creeping back up the hill, which you fought so diligently to get them down. They're not. They have not exceeded that area. That's the end of the culde-sac. So, they're still within that. I guess my concern is if call and and Zach need to go hire consultants for water sewer traffic as compared to inside engineering giving us updated numbers and signing it for such I don't know if Mike Rich yeah I don't think our guys are doing new studies they're just confirming the change from 39 to 40 that's two more total I just didn't want to go through an exercise of

understood yeah I mean that's why we pointed out the letter. We we understand that there is a very very minor impact. That's my point and it's minor and it certainly I'm sure the the consultants will find the same. Carl, are you going to say something? Yeah, I'm Carlo. I just like to make a comment. Thank you. Yeah, just one thing to point out too. I don't think we even calculated the fact that a house is going to be removed to accommodate this project. So one house will be gone. I think in the end sewer, water traffic will really be like no no effect. Good point. because the house is being removed. That is on the sewer. The house is on the sewer. On sewer and water.

Yeah. So really, it's pretty much where we started. We never took credit for it in any, you know, all of our documents showed the final development, right? It showed two single family homes and 50 units at one point down to 39, now 40. So the numbers provided to a consultant show, hey, here's where we're going to be post development. 30 40 units, two single family homes, right? We in in any of our analysis and it was it was briefly mentioned in our letter and I know um Tim Miller Associated hinted at it as well. You know, the minor reductions that really are going to happen with the removal of the house on 7-day old were never you they're minor, right? Just like adding the one back is minor, right? So, it's it's a point for you guys to know. But

does that reflect the additional unit? Yeah, right here. Okay. right here. Right. So, it's one, two, three, break one, two, three. So, you're showing the original one. Yeah. So, what we did, this was just an overlay, right? So, you can see that the units right where my thumb is right here. That's where the five unit cluster ended right here. And we pushed out two threes instead of five. Two threes instead of one five. Thank you. Questions from the board? No, I mean I think our biggest issue was the height. We've talked about that and if it doesn't affect the height then

yeah I mean we we knew when we were addressing the DP comments that [clears throat] this was off the table. We we are you know we got to a point with the board and through the public hearings we understood that this was a you know this was a threshold issue with you guys. Those lower buildings are below.

Correct. Yes. Can you refresh my memory? Out of the about 40 units, two and threebedroom units. Is that what you're building? Um I believe they're mostly threebs. Three bedrooms. Yeah. Yeah. I don't think I don't think there's any two bedrooms in there if I remember right. Any other questions? Okay. Pat, you can prepare an amended uh secret negative declaration. Just need a resolution for this. Okay. And then as far as approval, preliminary approval resolutions, still needed still issues to deal with.

Okay, fair enough. Um, just to give you guys an update, we did hear from the health department this week. M nothing minor comments. They wanted us to show um the actual water and sewer service locations off of each of the units typical. And they wanted us to uh station the sewer maintenance. So, yeah. So, Zach, when you do the I don't know if I made the comment to it, but the the water connection should be at the curb. Yep. Right. In case the town ever takes this over, we don't want them sitting uh up against the building.

Oh, yeah. Yeah. So, it needs to be at the curb. Uh sewer always is, you know, if the town takes it over, we go to the to the property line. So ultimately, that would have to be something we work at, but you know, that water lines, that's it, right? And for the for the storm water, where are the ponds again? Uh so there's there's a pond here, right?

There's ponds here, there's a set of ponds here, and there's one there. So these are like pre-treatment, bio retention, pre-treatment for the bio retention, pre-treatment. You know, it's effectively one pond, two cells. So, you know, we noticed on just a recent project submitt that there's a lack of um I guess call it fencing or sec. It's not really security fencing, but they're attractive nuisances stormwater ponds. So, I think you need to really consider and that would be my next set of comments that we come back on putting some kind of fencing up there to, you know, it could be just a post and rail. We're not looking for a chain link fence. Obviously, it'd have to be tastefully done, right? But anything that would at least deter people from climbing up and then falling into the ponds, right?

Uh on the grand scheme of things. So we didn't catch it on prior submittals that were given, but that's something that's going to go forward. That's a comment that'll be made when there are storm water ponds on these sites going in. Just it's a safety issue more than it is anything else. Obviously, you got to make it where you can access it to maintain it. We don't want that impacting it. That was also one of the D comments. They had some comments about access showing physically showing how we're going to get to and from the pond and we don't want it to look like their D one down at the end of Duville Road which is like Fort Knox over there with freaking fences everywhere, right? Can I quote you on that response letter? [laughter] And they brought in a boatload of fill for that too on top of it all. But yeah, I was just going to reference that too. You said coordinate it with the landscaping. It shouldn't be an afterthought. It should be something you plan for.

Sure. Does this development have a name yet? Caramel Residential. That's gonna be the name of [laughter] Carl's residential. That's a good name. Okay. Good. Thank you, gentlemen. Thank you, guys. Happy holidays. Happy New Year.

Okay. Rose distributed minutes of 10 925, 10225, and 111325. Has anyone reviewed them? And if so, do we have a motion? Uh, Mr. Chairman, I reviewed all three, had comments on two. I propose approving the resolution uh approving the uh minutes subject to those comments. Second subject to All in favor? I motion to adjurnn. Second. All in favor? I. Good night, everybody. Thank you.