Zoning Board of Appeals - Regular Meeting

Good evening everybody. Apologies about the door. The snow caused some uh technical difficulties with open it, but uh we'll continue meeting with the door as is. First on the agenda tonight is Bunet subdivision 103 Pigot Road for public hearing. [clears throat] Is there anyone from the public that wishes to be heard on this applicant?

This has been before us for some time. Anyone from the public wish to be heard? Mr. Chairman, as there are no public comments, I'll make a motion to close the public hearing. Second. All in favor? I. Pat, will you prepare a resolution, please? I'm going to I'm going to ask for a delay on the resolution being prepared just because of the time lag that's going on with getting things through the Putham County Health Department. So, I could easily chew up that six that six-month clock could get easily chewed up. You were mentioning that a while ago. Sure. We can work with Rose on that. Just say that again. We We've never heard that before, Paul. The delay and granting your approval. Okay, we got [laughter] it. Make sure you let uh Rose know about that.

I will. Next on the agenda is Greenpoint Tree Service 6165 Old Route 6. Also for a public hearing, anyone from the public wish to be heard on this? This applicant's been around for a couple months. Also, anyone from the public? Mr. Chairman, being there no public comments, I make a motion to close the public hearing. I second. All in favor? I Thank you tonight. resolution, Mr. Chairman.

Yeah. Would you prepare a resolution, please? [snorts] Next on the agenda, Carmel Residential, 119 Seminary Hill Road for resolution. Mike, did you have any comments on this? All my comments have been addressed. I don't believe Rich had any comments in Pat. He did not. He did uh verify the bond that was uh provided by the applicant. Um they all the planning issues have been addressed. You have the resolution before you that reflects the modified plan that's consistent with the negative declaration you previously adopted. And you have that before you I'm sure we're all familiar with this.

We need a motion to adopt uh the site plan. Mr. Mr. Chairman, I'll make a motion to adopt the resolution of the planning board of the town of Carmel number 26-03, January 28th, 2026. Tax map number 55.14-1-35 26321 26.3223 and 26.324 Carmel Residential 119 Seminary Hill Road, Carmel. Final site plan approval. Second. Second. All in favor? I Pat, you have the resolution. Yes. I'll sign off on Y. Thank you guys.

Next in the agenda, People USA. Mike, any comments from you, please? All my comments have been addressed. And I believe Rich is has no comments. No comments. Planning issues have been addressed. And you have resolutions before you this evening that you directed the preparation of at the last meeting. So, as Pat mentioned, we have two resolutions in front of us tonight. An approval and a denial. Mr. Chairman, before you do that, I just want to acknowledge that council had sent a letter. That was next.

Okay. Thank you. Um I assume you've had time to uh read Pat's uh approvals and denial resolutions. Yes. Yes. Correct. In addition uh people USA's attorney sent us a document that was distributed to us today [clears throat] this morning. I believe everyone's had an opport I'm asking if you all had an opportunity opportunity to review that. Correct. Okay.

Okay. Um being that uh we've reviewed Pat's documentation as well as People USA's, we are going to um vote on this tonight. As I mentioned to People USA last week, uh for everyone in the room here tonight, we spent several months analyzing data, challenging People USA with a lot of questions, listening to the public quite a bit. But tonight, I'd like to vote on this one way or the other. I think we really need to um out of respect for the community and for the fine job that people us. So, do we have a motion for an approval? Anyone motion for approval?

Third time. Do we have a motion for approval? If not, do we have a motion for denial? I make a motion to deny. Do we have a second? Second. I'd like to go through all in favor. I'd like to go through a roll call vote though. Just just for the record, I'd like to have Would you facilitate the roll call? Nick, I

John, Mr. Chair, I Okay. Uh, the motion to deny has been carried. 6 [applause]

Thank you. Thank you. Oh my god. I'm so happy. [clears throat]

Thank you. Thank you everybody. We have a couple other items on the agenda. Mike, are you going to use that for this applicant?

[clears throat]

We're just waiting for a little quiet here, then I'll continue. Uh, Chief's doing it. Thank you. Next in the agenda, McConnell. Joanne McConnell, 605 Union Valley Road for a site plan. Mike, I believe you had some comments on this.

I do. The applicant proposes to convert an existing garage barn to a dog kennel off Uni Valley Road in Mayac. Uh the property was owned by Lundy, who operated a kennel, but sold off part of the property to the neighbor to the right. I guess that's the south. Uh he currently does has a kennel there. Also, um uh use fence is required because it's not permitted in that zoning district. Can you convert the lot area to square feet? They put it in acres. Ours is 120,000 ft. Just do the the simple math for me, please. Um, I don't think I can do that through my head, but

no change on the zoning table is not acceptable. Give us figures for all of them. Will there be an office, counter, bathrooms? Is it just one big wide open space? Um, what will you do with the dog feces? Variances are needed from ZBA once values are put in the table. I'll tell you all the variances that are required. Um, you probably need an accessible ramp at one side or the other on the um, barn so that they can get people with disabilities can get up there. And I attached the whole section of the kennel law to the back of this. You guys can have a copy of it. Just make sure you meet all the requirements in there, too, and put it on the plat.

Thanks, Mike. Uh Rich's comments have Will you net out Rich's comments? If uh I don't have Rich's comments with me. I don't either. I don't think he had many significant issues on this. They'll be part of the record. We'll make them part of the record in case anyone wants to see them. And Pat, your comments, please.

So, um you are not unfamiliar with kennel applications. We've had a few. Um so that it's the same sort of issues we've we've encountered in the past. The primary obstacle with this is it's it's not a permitted use in this z in this zone. Building's beautiful as you can see. It's a lovely building. Um it's so there's a couple things. The understanding the operational aspects of the use is critical. How many dogs? How many staff? Is it boarding? Is it grooming? All of the aspects that we've we've questioned other applicants, the same thing would apply. Tell us about the operation of the facility. Um, we do have zoning controls that regulate kennels. However, in this zone, they don't apply because the use is not allowed in this zone. But that criteria is useful for you to review because it helps you understand the consequences of a kennel. So, again, most of those were sort of operational. Um, Mike raised things like animal waste. That's regulated. If this were a permitted use, it would be a code requirement to deal with those things, but it's just a logical thing to figure out how those sorts of things are being addressed. Um, there are some two aspects with respect to the zoning governing kennels that again doesn't apply. There's a minimum lot area requirement for a kennel. It's two acres. The site is below that. Does that matter or not? You're going to make that determination based on the specifics of this application. Same thing with setbacks to the outdoor areas. It's 100 ft. If this were a permitted use, this is much closer than that. You're going to make an individual judgment as to whether this is appropriate or not. Typically, what we've required in the case of those narrower setbacks is screening or noise control, offense, sound attenuation in one way or another. Dogs tend to do what dogs do. So, that may be something you want to talk to the applicant about. um note on the plan said they will comply with lighting. I want you to understand

our residential lighting criteria is zero foot candles at the property line. So they just referenced we'll do what was required. That's what's required in this case. Um and landscaping if there is some screening or landscaping to talk about something you may want to consider. Thanks Pat. Before I open it up to the board, I would like to get an overview. Yeah. this entire project, why we're doing this, what your thoughts on, and then we'll ask you some questions. Yeah, no problem.

So, if you guys pay attention over there, um my name is Jeff English and I'm representing Joan McConnell of 605 Union Valley. Um so, overall, like Mike and them were saying, um property is approximately 1.42 acres. Um it's existing property with uh single family resident and an external two-story barn. um on-site utilities, private well, um on-site septic system handling all sanitary waste and portable water. Um basically the purpose of this project is to utilize the existing barn structure. Um convert it into a private small scale openboard dog care facility. Um we'll be reusing the utilize the existing barn structure. Um there is no exterior construction or expansion. It's strictly interior renovations. Um it will it's privately maintained and operated by the members of the household. Um it will not be open to the public and there will not be any um external staff for this. It will be everyone that lives in the house will be operating this facility for them. So it won't require any additional uh staff members to operate.

When you say um small door facility two 5 10 20 what's what's Yeah. So basically around around like up to around 15 dogs um at a time. 1515. What? 1515. Yeah. 15. Yeah. Would you say it's not open to the public? Then who are you serving? It's not public access like no one can just come up. It's privately booked through the property owner. But it's outside people that are It's outside people that will be Yes. [clears throat] What size dogs would there be? Um

Yeah, me too. No, it's just Yeah, the the amount of dogs in there. It's not going to be like a commercial facility where there's 50 dogs running around at a time or something like that, but they could be dogs of any size. Um, is it daycare like every day they drop the dogs off or is it one time for a week or one time for It'll be like a boarding facility. So, they stay people leave for vacation. They will But I wouldn't drop my dog there every day though. What? I wouldn't go there every day and drop my dog off for dayare. Um, correct. Yeah. Yeah, you can do that. Yeah. So there will I guess there will Yeah. So the the parking will be Yeah.

Could you clarify that? So the last one we saw the dogs is bringing my dog separately or you go get my dog. Um it will be that yeah you drop off your dog. Um and like I said the hours of operations for it will be between 7 a.m. and 6 p.m. So anytime of those hours is drop off and pick up. So I point out the plan shows four parkes. So we requirement for you [snorts]

if yeah and like I said with this property um I guess you can see on the plan too there is a lot of areas outside and I don't know if you can see it too well on that one I can pull it up on here but we designated four parking spots to show on there that there is parking also there's a lot of access around the barn and area for pull up and to drop dogs off um but we did designate an area that would be on there so if there is required for more parking. We like there is the room for it and I'll have one thing I forgot to mention. You mentioned installing a new water line.

So, there is an existing water line to the barn. Um the existing water line goes to the uh private well on the property at like the south north is yeah southwest corner um of the property. But um we will be installing a sanitary sewer service um to the existing septic field. Um the interior renovations will include uh your basic sinks and stuff to cater to the dogs, washing hands. There's a dog wash area like a bath um for when they're outside. And then also there's going to be a resident uh half bathroom on the second floor for anyone that from the house that's operating in there. They can use the bathroom there instead of going across the house. So, we also have been in coordination with Putnham County uh health department. Um they told us for this since we're not adding any additional bedrooms or anything, it's only going to be the household members that will be operating it. It's no additional staff that will just have to do a sewage uh treatment repair permit and that will cover the work for that. us. [clears throat]

They have an existing septic field. So, basically Putinham County said that with the capacity of that that it will um it's it's fine with that, but we can make the connection to the service and the existing field. I think the existing field was also um expanded in the last couple years for an additional bedroom at the house. So, Jeeoff, let me go back a step. I'm not sure you introduced yourself at the beginning and the corporation you work with the company you work. Yeah. So, my name is Jeff English. I'm with uh MD Modern Engineering. Uh we are actually out out of New York City. Thank you. What What is the plan for dog waste? Um so the dog waste would be um disposed for professional services. Um so they come pick it up and

pick it up and there would be a separate Yeah. pickup for that. We didn't let you finish your slides. What? Keep going through. Go ahead. you guys. No, go ahead. We'll get I'm here to I'd rather answer questions than present to you. So, if you guys What about the floor? Will it have drains? So, if they if they urinate on the floor and you rinse it, will it go to a drain and out to a septic or It will go Yeah. All be connected through internal drains. Yeah. But that'll go to the septic. Oh, for that? No, that's that's typical household cleaning clean up after. Okay. If they are going to the bathroom in the Yeah. On the floor. Health department's okay with that. What was that? The health department's okay with that? Yeah. Cuz I'm talking about urine. You know, if the dog goes on the floor and you hose it up. No, they're going to they'll be wiping it up. Yes. This is kind of the home.

Yeah. It's like the home. Yeah. If you look at the picture up there on the board on the TV, that's that's the kind of style that we're going for here is, you know, more homey feel. Make the dogs feel like they're at home rather than in some type of clinic. That's nice. Um maybe I'll live there. Yeah. Right. Yeah. No mug stalls. There's nothing like that. the water usage and all that stuff is um yeah, there won't be any like interior drains where they're just going to be hosing down the floor. It'll be a easy clean up with whatever they have for cleaning products and stuff like that. And just the larger kennels we have have that where they muck it by squirting and have it go into a trough or whatever.

Yeah, the like I said, the water usage for this is going to be for filling dog bowls, washing hands, and then the occasional bath that the dog needs from running around outside. So, you said it's going to be run by the family. Yes. People, how many people are in the family? Joanne has her and her four kids, right? Yeah. Four kids. And that's their full-time work then. What? That's full-time work for the family. That's what they'll be doing. Yeah. What's the arrangement for outdoor play? And what was that? The arrangements for outdoor play.

So, there is on on the property where they we will be installing a 8ft high chain link fence on the exterior of the barn. Um, that's an area that will be for the dogs. It's secured for exercising, anything like that, outdoor activities. Um, and also, like I said, if you look at the image, it's a rendering of what it would look like. Um, we showed the fence just to show the concept of it, but that will be screened by landscaping across the front of the yard. Basically, the extension of that landscaping in front of the barn will extend across to the property line to screen it from the public. And then the existing exterior of the property has a lot of vegetation, tall trees, bushes, and shrubs that would act as the screening for the neighboring properties. C

could you explain the neighboring properties, how far away they are, that type of thing. How far away they are um from the property line? I don't have the exact number in front of me. I can pull it up on here. Is your question how away the next house from the Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. There's well overund. Yeah. It's I was going to say if you look at the the map up there because that is the plan and I can pull this one up so it's clear, but they are very separated. There's also heav he heavily wooded in between each of the Is it just one or

um Well, you have three sides to the Yeah, there's the neighbor there and in the back. This place is such a pain. The house on the right. Oh, I see. Yeah. From on the right, that's the kennel and that wraps around the back. And past that would be the Willowwood gun range, I believe. Am I right? I think the gun range is back there somewhere, too. So,

yeah. easier picture, [clears throat] but you can see this is the barn here. This is the existing house. This existing property is one and almost one and a half across the street. A lot of woods in the area. There is a lot of woods in the area. [clears throat]

[clears throat] Um but yeah, and just like moving through some of these slides as far as lighting and noise control. So there will be exterior lighting. Um they're going to be basic Google Nest cameras with the flood lights. So they're motion sensored. They're not going to be on all the time. They'll be mounted on exterior entrances of the building as well as on the fence post directed towards the property. um and shielded if needed, if it's a problem. But based off of the phototric plan that we did with those uh types of lights, the illumin the illuminance at the property liner zero. So I was just going to mention that. Yeah.

But it's not leaving the property line, right? It's not leaving the property line. No. Yeah.

You're on a turn there on Union Valley Road. Do you have like a sight analysis like going in and out of the driveway? What was that? You're on a turn on Union Valley there. Did you do like a sight distance analysis? We did not for since it's an existing property. It's on the inside. I think it's approximately 30 foot entrance. Yeah. So, you know, two traffic and I haven't had we haven't and anyone say anything that it's hard to navigate through there. So, I'm sorry, can't hear you. Oh, sorry. Just know there weren't any complaints of that. There's the site problems or anything like that. So, just back to the operational ar.

No, they it'll be when when you when drop off when you can drop off. potentially beneficial for it's I would say it's probably better that if it's multip different times instead of saying at 7 a.m. you have to be here else you can't drop your dog off because then you'll have all those people there. So

it's a more free flow not very strict on that. So, um, trying to think of anything else. And just like I said, as far as the site improvements on it was the chain link fence for the dogs to run around area, uh, a couple designated parking spaces, the landscaping to screen, um, and then sight lighting. Um, and then the sanitary sewer service that will be installed. So, overall, the site disturbance is very minimal. Um, mainly interior renovations and in installation of a fence. So, So boarding is seven days a week, correct? Yeah.

So although Rich is not here this week, um he did leave a page of typewritten notes that range from um what referrals would need would appear to be warranted. uh Mayor PAC Fire Department, Putnham County Department of Planning, Putin County Department of Health, Town of Cornwall Highway Department. Uh he has, you know, several very typical, not Yeah, most applicants get this. Uh we'll get you a copy of this. You can call Rose. Yeah. Uh yeah, we can coordinate with She'll be in the office tomorrow. You can call her and get a copy of this. Okay.

Did you put the area disturbance on there? Do you know? Um cuz some of these I don't think it's as some of his things I'm not sure if he saw the area and if it's under 5,000 you don't need anything. So yeah because really the only disturbance is going to be trenching for the fence and then trenching. I mean yeah and to clarify if it's less than five 5,000 square feet it's not a problem. Yeah. I don't Yeah, it's not going to reach that. Get a copy of Rich's comments. Yeah. Yeah. For sure. A surf like is it just grass or dirt? Uh right now it um it's like a mix of like grally dirt. Um

and you're not changing and it's not going to change. No. So the current the trees that are currently there that's pretty good buffer from your neighbors. Yeah, I would say so. It looks Yeah, I think the shrubs the the closest I guess for to the facility where the barn is the neighbor to the south um which is pretty far away. There's like eight nine foot tall like shrubs that basically you can't see through. So, and you're proposing some intermittent big trees there too. And you're proposing the other trees facing Yeah. Union Valley we're screening. So, we are introducing new uh landscaping along the

the roadway side. Can I ask from a business perspective, how do you attract your customers? I'm speaking to my How do you attract your customers? Just by ads, word of mouth. Do you do training or something? What what what brings them to you? It it will just be dog boarding. Please speak. Ju just dog boarding. There's no training involved or anything like that. No. What the question is how do you c where do you find your customers? How do they come to you? Word, like Joanne was saying, word of mouth and um through ads or anything like that, but

yeah, it's just going to be word of mouth between friends. They already have a group of of potential clients that they'd like to bring on. Then it'll just grow from there because there is a need. The dogs talk at the dog parks. That's right. [laughter] Sorry if I was barking up the wrong tree. So, I would recommend there's probably um two two and a half pages of typewritten notes. Nothing out of the norm, if you will. Yeah. Um, why don't you work on those with the consultants p?

Yeah. And what I'd also suggest is those operational aspects, put them as notes on the plan so I can enforce this down the road and not Yeah, we'll do that. Copy all the comments and then if you act on them quickly enough, you can come back in two weeks. Okay, perfect. Yeah, we'll get right on to it. Yeah. Mike, any of the [clears throat] Mike, any other comments from you? No, I think I gave them a copy of the uh kennel law that we have on on the books. So something they can work with. And Pat, Ed, do you have anything? Thanks.

The only thing I would say early on, I'd say at the next meeting, I didn't say it now, is um really focused on beautifying every project that comes before us. So if this goes through as a kennel, it should look better tomorrow than it does today. Okay? We don't want to see nice residents look like a commercial property. That's not Yeah. I do want to emphasize again, Mr. Chairman, where it is today. So, that's a real It is, but we didn't see the rest of it, you know. So, no, that that would be I'm telling I'm signing up. [laughter]

Um, and the activities will be maintained with in inside the barn and only in the fencing area. So, um, it will be more it doesn't have they don't have free range over the whole property. So, it's specific beautiful looking building. Sure is. One of the nicest burns I've seen. So, any other comments in the board? No, it looks good. Okay, thank you.

Yep. Thank you. Evening. Good. How are you? Yeah. I had to drop out of the club, bro. So, you know what? It's nice to go to the super hide from you. So, I can't hide anywhere. I'm not made for stuff. I tried. [laughter]

Next on the agenda, 150 Barrett Hill Road, [clears throat] Evans, sketch plan for three lots. Mike, I believe you had some comments. The lot depth and width lines are now correct. There are four varances required from the zoning board of appeals. Uh provide all easements uh for the submission. Lot one and three access through lot two and lots two and three both access through lot one. So um we just need to straighten it out and have Joe review it to make sure it's all correct. Okay, Pat. So, we saw this back in I think it was October when it was originally presented to you. As you remember,

very peculiar shaped parcel. Yeah. That results in an unusual subdivision. It really was at the time Adam needed to clarify Mike's zoning compliance issues, which I think they have done. I think Mike's now got a handle on the variances that are necessary for this. So, we don't have a lot of flexibility in making this any better than what it is today. and he doesn't even know his ways up on the plan. So, um it kind of is what it is. So, there'll be easements, there'll be things like that that legalize the method of accessing that lot, but there really isn't a better way to subdivide this peculiarly shaped lot than what the applicant's proposing.

Thanks, Pat. Comments from the board. Be

interesting to see the improvements that were made because it is a little odd. Yes. So, um, as was discussed at the the previous meeting, there there were a handful of alternatives that, um, we were asked to look at or some of which we were asked to look at. Um, the [clears throat] subdivision as it was shown last uh, last time has not changed. Uh, but I can walk you through some of the alternatives that we studied. Uh so one of the one of the uh alternatives that was discussed uh at the last meeting was you know if there was an opportunity to come through uh the the Evans uh adjacent property which is here this is their their home here. Um and it's it's one not desirable to have a driveway and easement going through your backyard but it's also just not feasible. um the uh the septic for this this house is where that driveway would need to be extended into the into the subject lot. And the other thing is you're not really gaining anything by doing it this way. The length you can see is essentially the same as as what it is in the proposed condition.

And that adjacent lot item is small as I recall. Right. That was one of the it doesn't go all the way back to the T portion of the property.

Yeah. So it goes out to Barrett Hill and it comes back to this line here. So it does not go back the length of of the the property. Uh the other couple alternatives that we looked at were could we eliminate there there are as as Mike mentioned a handful of area variances that are that are required. One of them is a lot width on lot two. So the way that lot width is defined in the code is it is the width of the lot at the midpoint of the depth. So that being the case, it just happens that the the width is measured at a narrow portion of the lot. Once we come into the main portion of lot 2, we've got plenty of width. We have we have more than enough. It's just because of that definition and that midpoint part of the definition that it happens to fall in the narrow portion of the lot. So what we've done is in order to mitigate that, we would need to extend the the depth of that lot and thereby draw that midpoint further into the site to get it into the main portion. Problem with that is it pushes lot three so that now we need to extend another 1,200 some feet of of driveway to get down to a developable area down here. Uh which is not ideal. So I think the you know the request for the one with variance is a more reasonable approach than than than that. Uh and then the other sorry the other thing that we looked at which is the most feasible uh of the three is a modification to lot two to eliminate the area the lot area um variance that's required. And the way that we would do that doesn't want to sit on there. One second. The way that we would do that is by

modifying the property line down near the frontage where we would jog the the property line to between lot two and lot three around so that we could provide the required frontage and add the necessary amount of uh area to lot two to eliminate the need for that variance. We're showing that as an alternative instead of the preferred option just because since we already have an irregular lot, this just makes it more irregular, but we could certainly do it this way if it was the board's preference. Uh it's just, you know, again, this is another case of, you know, it seems to make more sense to ask for for the that variance than make the a kind of strange lot stranger

and that creates kind of orphaned territory that who's going to mow the lawn out there. It's really bizarre,

right? [clears throat] So, that brings us back to our proposal uh that we looked at at the last meeting. Now, I got to put my pins back on. you need an assistant. So apart from those uh few alternatives, we also addressed a number of the outstanding comments um that were provided by the consultants uh particularly with regard to uh disturbance uh site distance uh you know we provided a fully AF as was requested uh and we looked at those those alternatives that we think probably don't work. questions from the board. [clears throat]

So, I'm a little confused about one thing. One of the alternatives was to do something at the front, right? So, if you don't do that, who owns that property in the front? So, this it's it's a little bit easier to tell. Although this is smaller, it's easier to tell here because we're not showing any of the rest of the context. But lot three has this portion like we've got this hammerhead uh part of the property. So we've got this portion is owned by lot three. Wow. This triangle here is owned by lot two and lot one has this portion.

That's how they divvied up the frontage so everybody's got frontage. It's clever way of dealing with it in a bow tide shaped parcels. Yeah. Now I I noticed lines going back. Is there more than one driveway? No. So common driveway.

We have a common driveway that comes in through lot one. We would have uh an easement or a series of easements that would provide access uh utilities and storm water management. Uh for a single driveway that would come into lot one. It would kind of split between lot one and lot two here and then it would split between lot and then it would Yeah. Then it would go through lot two and get to lot three. So it kind of touches each parcel. There would be an easement for, you know, to allow that. Very creative. I was limited.

The fourth option would have been to go for open development, but that's then you have no frontage. That's not as we don't like the private driveways like that. We would still have we would still have a shared driveway in that case and we'd still have easements. It's just carving it up a different way. Ironically, they could have um sold the two bow ties to the neighboring properties or given it to them. That would probably have eliminated the lot with requirement um and clarified the frontage issue as well. But we can't compel him to sell property just to clean up a zoning compliance issue and it would have messed with their frontage issue. Then they would for two and three. Yeah.

So, [clears throat] uh, as has been mentioned, you know, we we are we do have variances that need to be approved to move forward with this. Uh, we do want to move to preliminary and final subdivision, but, you know, we think we need to make it to the ZBA first. So, uh, it's it's really important for us tonight that we have the board declare lead agency uh, under for Seeker if you're able to do that. And we would also request to be referred to the ZBA for the variances that are required. I still want to ask um when it comes to have you spoken to the fire department at all about this? That's a long distance for fire access to be able to get back to that rear house back there.

Right. So, it this yes, this has been referred to the fire department. We've not gotten comments. We have provided, as was discussed at the last meeting, we have provided pulloffs. So, you've got two pull-offs here that provide additional width for vehicles to pass, you know, by each other. And we've also opened up the radi on the individual driveways to the three lots so that they can act as turnarounds for a truck. So we think that this this meets the the what what's going to be required by the fire department and also any oil delivery or gasing whatever same thing.

Uh I I'd have to talk to them. I don't know if they're planning to go with propane or electric, but u we we are going to have the access the easement set up as a both for uh access and for utilities. So, electric that'll run through. Um, my guess is they'll probably be on propane or something like that. That'll be more delivered. [clears throat] FedEx and every day. Yeah. Moving mail delivery. They'll be dropping a lot more. Yeah. There may be a shared mail box, you know, set of mailboxes [clears throat] at the bottom. Yeah. Okay.

Sorry. In terms of like snow removal and things like that, is it the idea that three people in those three houses will share the expense for that? I mean, that's not going to be a town thing, right? So, as No. Yeah. As as Mike mentioned, um with this easement, uh there will be an agreement that will be that that will dictate who's responsible for what and in what percentage and it'll be very explicit in terms of of how that how that all works in terms of snow maintenance, you know, repairing the driveway over time and all of those kinds of things are written into the agreement. That'll be part of the easement. And the addresses of the house will only be Barrett Hill Road. It's not going to be a new named road, is it? No, they'll be I I believe they'll be Barrett Hill Road. Okay. Yeah, [snorts]

quite a variance. You need to 180 foot variance for lot two. For lot two, again, we in in the main part of lot two, we've got well over the required 200 feet. Again, it's that we have uh the town has a definition for lot width that puts, you know, this is this is essentially our our lot depth for lot two. The definition reads that the lot width falls at the midpoint which is here. Right? So our width is only in the narrow portion of that lot whereas again you know in the main portion of lot we've got more than enough.

So Pat I have no problem being lead agency. I think we should make a motion to do that. Someone make a motion. I will make a motion to declare us lead agency. Second. All in favor? I they need to get to the ZBA. They'll come back to us. Um then we can analyze a little bit further, I think. Um there's some gives us some more time to think about it. I like to hear from the ZBA also see what they think of some of these things. So, do we have a motion to send this to the ZBA? I make a motion to deny to the ZBA. Second. All in favor? Hi. Hi. And Adam, you got the comments that you need to work. I'll talk to Rose tomorrow. Yeah.

Okay. We do a couple things in parallel. Still needs to come back to us though. Thank you, Adam. Thank you very much. Appreciate it. Thank you. Have a good night everybody. You too. That's my job at the planning board. All right, everybody. Have a good night. Thank you. Thank you. Next in the agenda, Still Water Business Park 105 Stillwater Road bond return. This is really about Rich. Mike, you didn't have any comments, correct?

Pat. Yeah, the bond I think Rich recommended full return. I'm just checking right now. The original bond was for $212,000. Based on Did we miss one? Number seven. Oh, I'll come back to old for uh [clears throat] based on the inspection, the site features as requested by have been addressed. At this time, the bond can be returned. Yes. Is the applicant here? Oh, I saw him sit down. Let's hold that. Paul, I saw you up there and then that was my fault. Forge. All right, we'll go to Old Forge. Old Forge.

Old Forge says that's been around for a while. Baldwin Place Road extension of preliminary subdivision approval. We We are still waiting on Albany for our HOA approval as well as getting our um what's the thing? I need the transportation corporation. So without those without that transportation corporation, I'm just treading water. When did this It seems like it's been here since Yes, it's it it it's probably been a year that it's been in Auburn. When has the whole project started old for states?

Yeah, probably way back. Yeah, it's it's had several variations to it. The most current is the 14 lot cluster which is best use for the land. Um but in that case you have a a combined central septic system and you don't have 14 individual ones. You have just one that you know broken up primary.

Yeah. This plan got better as [clears throat] this evolved. No question about it. But Paul's hung up in Albany about being hung up in Albany. What's changed on this and what's changed for the approvals and what's changed in all regulations since this started? So the only thing that um so this was approved Mike under the old zoning right? Yes it well the preliminary plan was based on the old zoning. It's the same. It's still the same. So the new zone new zone in Mike does not affect this project.

I don't want to say what I want to say, but he could probably get more lots now, but no. Okay. Well, that's that's where I was going. [laughter] Yeah. But other than that, no change to storm water regulations. No. That's where that's why I was poking at this a little bit. No, we're Yeah. Okay. But no, the the the septic system is what basically maxed out the number of units, number of lots. So the numbers at 14 is not You're not going to grow it. So, this extension would be for six months. Any idea? No. I wish I did. All right. We have a motion to grant an extension for six months. Motion to grant the extension for six months. Second.

All in favor? What I would like is if they would change the state would change that six-month clock for final approval or prelim. You know, it's just it's too short in today's day and age. Yeah. Yeah, it sounds like it. Thanks, Paul. Thank you very much. Night.

As we mentioned, uh, Still Water Business Park is not here tonight. Oh, you must have stepped out. Oh, I'm sorry. All right. Uh, next on the agenda, Still Water Business Park, 105 Still Water Road. Uh, we have a representative now. Mike, no comments. Comments. It's the Mike and Joe show back here like and Pat, no comments. And you got Rich's full.

And as I mentioned, Rich uh recommends full bomb return. So that'll uh move to make a motion to schedule a public hearing. Mr. Chairman, I'll make a motion to schedule a public hearing. Second. All in favor? The bond return goes in front of the board as you know. Yep. Understood. Okay. Yeah. Thank you. Sorry I stepped out for a second there.

The North London Bridge Wells 39 Brook Street bond return. Mike, no comments, I believe. No comments, just a question. Did you get the CO the final for us? Yes, we did. Okay, good. So, Rich's uh comments here is the original bond for this project was $108,000. At this time, the bond can be returned. We had we had we worked on this a lot with your landscaping, if I'm correct, another project's been around for a while. Yes. Uh thank you for the job you did on landscaping by the way and thanks for working with us. We also need a motion to schedule a public hearing on this. Mr. Chairman, I'll make a motion to schedule a public hearing on the bond return. Second.

All in favor? I. Please note the next meeting is February 25th. So that's when the bond return will be meeting public hearing will be. Sounds good. Thank you. Thank you. Have a good night. You too. The next meeting is February 25th. That's what it is. Motion to adjourn. Mr. Chairman, I'll make a motion to adjourn the meeting at uh 7:55 p.m. Second. All in favor? Have a good night, everybody. Thank you.