City Commission - Regular Meeting

No, I do got a handful of um email the last comments. I think it should be my last one. You're live, huh? I'm live. Oh, is it time? Okay, we'll call the meeting to order.

I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands. One nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. Okay.

Are there any additions or corrections to the consent calendar? Move to approve. Okay. We have a motion to approve. Is there a second? Second. Call roll. Commissioners Garver. Hi Peterson. Hi York. Hi Carlson. Hi Mayor Lundstrom. Hi. So are there any visitors to be heard tonight about anything that is not on the agenda?

Evidently not. So we'll move on. Okay see old business. Um discussion on the citywide cleanup. Now we tabled this from the May 4th meeting and a motion in a second is required for any action to be taken. So discussion. Um so we posted on Facebook um and then requested on the app for comments. We got a lot of comments which is great. Um and to me it seemed like curb to curb pickup was the most requested

to go back to that. Um, and then I'll let other people talk, but I have ideas on if anybody else has anything else they want to bring up, but anybody else have any things they want to say about the comments or your comments. I don't know where you're going, but I tires an issue. Yes. But I don't know how you're going to police people dropping off multiple tires that we're going to have to pay to get rid of. You mean if they put more than the allotted number of tires on the curb, will they take the ones?

We have no way of getting rid of them without paying for big. It's not cheap. Three to four to five dollars. I mean, is tire such a big deal? I mean, I I can see saying just no tires cuz I I mean, have we surveyed the community? Do we feel like tires are a big deal? They I'm hoping not. I I just I didn't see tires called out specifically a lot. There there's the comment about accept more stuff. Yep. But I don't remember seeing tires called out specifically. Do we think it's a problem in a few spots? Yeah, but mostly it's probably mostly on commercial property

or a few homes that operate businesses out of their homes, but not, you know, the average homeowner. Businesses should have So maybe we're addressing something that doesn't exist. Yeah. Should have ways, at least not for Yeah. not for the crowd that we're trying to address here. I would say no tires. Okay, then that brings us to our next one. Mattresses. Mattresses can go to the Sou Falls landfill. 20 bucks a mattress. Is that a number I have stuck in my head? I think it's more than that. I'm not sure. I'm thinking 10. Oh, you got to buy the special bag to put them in and this and that, but I'm not sure what it cost. Well, Alicia called checked on it. Okay. We don't have to. They got rid of the bag. Oh,

they did. Did they? Yeah. That was one thing that we learned. I just can't remember the cost. Okay. There's also Beersford. Yeah, Beersford. Yep. Was an option. Yep. Is an option if they take them. Um they did the one time, but I there was a comment if I remember right something about if they have room or if they there was something right there at the time. Yeah, something like that.

I'm I'm fully aware that the community wants the ability to go back to picking up at the curb. I heard I have heard that since we looked to change it. My concern is how we do that efficiently. Which is why I was bringing up doing it by wards and drilling down this part of town and then this part of town. Yes, I'm aware that you're going to throw stuff into that zone, that ward for for that time, but I'd like to see us clean up the entire community, but I'd like to see us do it efficiently.

Are you thinking like ws one per year or like one per month? That's a good point. Most question, I'm sorry. One per year or one per month? Like we got June, July, August that we kind of could drill this down. Maybe we we say that part of town gets it the end of June. That part of town gets it the end of July. That part of town gets the end of August. West of Dakota, east of Dakota, and south of the track. 18. I think the options are endless. We just need to come up with an idea. Your options are endless. Your crew is not

sure. And and that's another thing, too. I don't want to make it seem like we're doing this by hand. Like I had some people say, "Well, that's a lot of man labor." Well, why are we doing it by hand? I cleaned up after the flood. I didn't touch anything by hand. If my machine couldn't squeeze it, I shouldn't be on my machine. Grab it. Quit doing it by hand. In other words, put stuff in piles. Yeah. I think we need to have piles. And if you if you don't separate the piles like electronics, wood, other stuff, and you can't do regular garbage, like we're not taking like garbage bags. No, we've never done that.

And like if you don't have it separated for this for the employees to come in and take it efficiently and quickly, then we just bypass passing by. If we pass by your house, we're not coming back. We're not double-checking to see if you've done it. Sure.

Man, I wish people were here to discuss this. It just You guys got anything? I'm serious. It feels like we're talking to the wall. There's 41 comments on Facebook. 41 comments on Facebook and the podium's empty. Yeah, it's been that way forever. Been that way forever.

So, I would say Yes, we're doing citywide cleanup. Yes, it sounds like probably curb to curb, but I think we will probably hammer out the details on the side with the staff. I don't think we can afford to have semi drivers sitting there waiting to fill the trucks. If we're going to do citywide cleanup, we're going to end up hauling it out the rubble site, separating, and then get trucks to haul it. Well, if we do piles, then we have one truck goes through and does all the wood, and we have one truck goes through and does all the electronics. So, we're not putting it all in one truck and then reeparating because what would be the point of separating in piles? Just put it in one truck. That would be

But you're paying semi-drivers 150 bucks an hour to sit there. Well, I mean, if we're just going and picking up one thing and like you said, if we're using a tool and equipment, it shouldn't be sitting at a house for 20 minutes and sitting at the next house for 20 minutes. You know, but it takes some houses to fill assembly. So, I think it's it is what it is. Who did we who did we hire last time for semids? Casy. Yeah, Kasky. and uh the other guy. No. Um another guy is fairly local. Um those side dumps. Yeah. Okay.

So, we're looking for people with side dumps. um primman or I mean if we have local people that are willing to help out I mean I think we should ask do we have the side dumps or we have two we have two side dumps that are 16 20 foot long shorter we have two that we could just get we could just get some people to drive them well we our two would probably be more confined to picking up what can go out to the rumple site There we go. Yeah. We're going to call that rubbish. Everything that can go to our Canton dump. Yeah. Construction debris. Construction debris.

There you go. Are we going to take upholstered items? Not at the can. Not at the Canton site because they can go to the dump. Go to the dump. So, are we taking landfill? Yeah. Yeah. If we're taking land Yeah. If it's Sou Falls landfill eligible, then we should be taking it. Okay. at a cost. Yeah, we checked. They're not waving tipping fees this year. It is a semi by tonnage, I think, isn't it? Yeah. And that just entirely depends on how many couches you have in there, right? If it's,

you know, it's a lot of fun to to rip furniture apart. So, if nobody if anybody's looking for something fun to do, um I have more than once in my time ripped furniture apart just to get the wood separated from the upholstered stuff. It's kind of a cathartic little little task. So, if anybody's interested in taking it to pieces, it's not a bad thing to do. Or are we taking I mean, if we're going to get somewhere tonight, are we taking appliances? Are we taking TVs? Are we taking I got

there's a fella in town who's been commenting and asking us asking for people's to donate those types of things to him and I think he parts them out and sells these. Yeah, we came to Bill and Dian's just last week. A washer, dryer, and a freezer in the back of the garage. Really? Yeah. For free. For free. Yeah. Diane says, "How much do I owe you?" and he says nothing. Thank you. He just wants to take them off your hands and then he passed them out. So they don't have to be working or anything. I don't know where he's from. She didn't say south of town. Is he okay? We have a rebel site full

right now. um met with police and I met with um a company that handles electronics disposal for the city of Sou Falls or for the landfill and as part of their contract with the regional landfill since we're in part of the regional landfill designated area. They also have to take the electronics for free from us as well. Um there would be a fee if we if they if their labor is involved with picking them up or anything, but still pretty minimal cost. Um they just ask that we sort electronics into four different categories. Tube TVs, regular TVs, data bearing devices like computers and cell phones, and then all other electronics. Um they have a pretty clear sheet on what they do and don't take. So that would

So we got to get this out to the public, right? They they don't want anything that we're taking though to be wet. So because the the risk with the water, you got to store your garbage inside until it's Well, you put electronics in a box. I mean, my thought with electronics is that we actually if they're small enough, we ask people to try to bring them to us first. We they one of the things they do charge for is that they'll they'll offer Gaylord boxes that are the same size as a crate. They bring us four of those for each grouping and we could keep them in the two of our bays at city hall. Ask people for a week to bring electronics to city hall.

Okay. And then we could put them in the piles they go into. Then we would keep them through pickup time though because if there's still a a larger hopefully as many electronics as possible come directly to us and then if there's still anything left especially like larger TVs then we still have those bins that we can drop drop them off in. That way we can keep them dry and out of the elements. If they get wet, they say they're actually designated as a toxic waste at that point because the the water and the lithium batteries becomes an issue.

But that was helpful to take a big chunk out of what otherwise would fill up any landfill. So plastic And what comes to my mind is uh toddler playsets and pools. The things that either a the toddlers have grown up and they don't use them anymore and they get thrown to the front curb or they get wrecked. So they put them in the front front of the curb. They want us to take them. Are we able to take those? That would be a landfill item.

It is a landfill item. Yes. Yeah. All we all we are is a construction roll site. That's all we could take is singles, two eyes, plaster. Do we need to communicate with somebody in regards to the plastic? I mean, I can double check with the landfill and everything, but I think that I'm pretty sure they're going to be an eligible item. Most most of that stuff I mean people can break it up put it in the garbage over the course of time too. Are we taking

Do we want to take them at the same time or do we just make that a whole separate event? No, make that a whole separate event. Did you say trees? Yeah. Whole separate event. Oh yeah. You ain't got enough curb space. Oh no. Yeah. No. Do you? No. No. Yeah. There' be a lot of houses. space you got that aren't going to that wouldn't have curb space for both items. We can do that, but let's but yes, let's make it a separate event. Yeah. Why are we staying open at the reel site if we going to bring it out there? How many hours are we open at the rebel site

right now? Mon two Saturdays a month. Thursday, Friday. Yeah, we're going to pick up everybody's stuff on the curb. What's the sense having sight? Well, we could say I mean, we're going to have Mike helping. Yeah, I would say we close the rebel site while the week of that that week whenever we're doing this rebel side's not open because he busy. can't have whatever.

You don't know where I stand. I I I I read this. If that's what we want as a whole, that's fine. My opinion, we're making people lazy again.

So many options. I know inward charges people are we talking um washers or dryers and refrigerators and freezers too. I don't think we take anything like refrigerators freezer nothing with free on. No air conditioners you know those things with with those type of thing. I don't think we can take those. I think we communicate with the gentleman that wants them. Yeah. If we could find you find out what he does. It's on Facebook. Yeah. He's on Facebook and he he had like 30 comments of people like he gonna be busy this summer with everybody said city white cleanup if he's doing that. Yeah.

Okay. That's my thoughts on appliances. Well, talk to this guy. If he has make a week for appliances, whatever he'll take, make that a week. If we're going to do if we're going to do trees like that's a separate week. It's just people that send this in. I guess you wish we had said that. Last time we did this, it costed us for some reason $53,000. Sticks in my mind. By the time we paid the truckers and everything was 53,000.

Wasn't quite that much. But yeah, I mean it's it's a 105 20 $30,000 deal depending upon it's going to be more expensive this year because we're going to pay tipping fees at the Sup landfill. So we could be touching 50,000. Do we really want to spend city's money $50,000? Did you calculate the city's labor in that sense? That might have gotten us in that 20 to 30 range if we figured out I mean and the other thing too is you're going to have all the guys tied up all week doing this. So, what isn't going to be done? No, I'm not going to. No. How many? Tell me how many guys we have on the street crew right now. Six. Three.

Three. Three. Street. Three water. Five somewhere else. Oh, that's right. I always ask. Okay.

And two. Two parks. I I I'm saying this because I'm working alone and I'm busting my can to do things and then I watch people work for the city of Sou Falls, work for the city of Harrisburg, Canton, doesn't matter. And they get away with leaning on stuff because that's the way it is. I'm I'm serious when I say this. If you can't still mold and get this done, I'm going to lose my mind. Well, if we break it up into wards even and then usually, isn't it like you get Monday and Tuesday to put stuff out to pick up Wednesday and Thursday and if you don't have it out, we it's not ready there. We're not coming back.

Then we have to as a city communicate that we're going to be in that section, right? On Tuesday the 12th, whatever. Yeah. Zero exceptions. We're coming just like your garbage like your garbage service. Mr. garbage truck doesn't come back on Thursday because you missed it on Wednesday morning. When I first moved to town, that was how it was. Like, they're going to be on your street on this day. If you don't have it out by that day, you're you're done. Put it out on Sunday night and they get there when they get there through the week. That's what I I'm tempted to we'll stick by the idea that we won't

we're not going to come back for it, but I don't know that we're going to telegraph where we'll be. I think people people will gain less. Yeah. Yeah. We can make this a longer process if we need to. The whole month of not a month, but like Well, no. I'm saying like each month each each month has a Yeah. The first week of this month or the second week of this month, we do citywide cleanup this this month for this section of town. I like the idea of the boards and once a month rather than trying to take it all on. And that's how the only reason I say that is because that's how it felt with the flood is Mhm.

you were trying to it was overwhelming. You were trying to do too much at once. Here, let's break it down. I wonder would work. We'd have to take a week. We get done in a week to do the smallest at the end of the depends depends on what you do. Typically we typically we can every always got done within a week. Sometimes it took another day depending upon the severity. Um, but you got to remember too that depending upon what people have done with the stuff we have taken over the last two or three years, right? Well, it' be a heavier year. You mean they've been saving it? some do

because two weeks still isn't bad if we're if we're able to keep up with mowing and anything else that you know we don't have a water man break or some you know but like you have to have it out by a certain day and it'll take us some time to pick it up but you still have to have it out by that certain day and if we come by we're that's we're do one pass past your house and not coming back. So if you put more stuff out, too bad. Like stuff has to be out this date.

And by having it out early like that and not necessarily telling people, oh, we're going to be on this street, so make sure you have it out that just whole town get it out all at once. That also gives other pickers to come a chance to come by and enlighten our load by grabbing the things that they want or bring more in or put more in. Yep. We got time to we meet on the first. So that's 12 days from today. How about if we call that appliance guy and see what he'll take and first and foremost if he's willing to drive around town and pick it up. We do that as a separate thing.

Sure. Not part of the citywide cleanup. Say, "Hey folks, we're doing appliances this week. get it out or you can't put it out and then it ain't on the citywide cleanup. Yeah, we'll do appliances at a different time. Are we helping appliance guy or are we if you don't better to do it at a separate time? I don't I don't know if this guy's willing. Even if he doesn't want to play along, we still do appliances at a separate time because we do have that fixed cost of the freon to and the and people pay that year round. So, we'll take appliances at a separate time if this guy doesn't want to play along, but we're going to charge money for that. But we'll we'll still come and get it. That's We got to cost you. That's what That's what Inwood does.

Yeah. You'll still be ahead because we'll come pick it up for you. But we'll still charge to cover our freon cost. But then you're going to get somebody be the negative person here. But you're going to get Sam's going to go bring her refrigerator over to my house. Of course I will. I want you to pay for it. That's what I'm getting. Well, I would say it would be like you call city hall. Yeah. You got to pay up front. Yeah. That's what they do. They have to call city all day. If there's an extra fridge at your house, then they'll be like, "Uh, yeah. Let me tell you how many tires I used to get out of the store every year." Over 50. I still don't think we should accept tires. No, I think tires are a bad concept. I think tires are off the table.

We used We used to accept four until there was somebody who made sure that everybody had four tires on their their Boulevard. Gota I'm telling you, you got to give that person credit. thought outside the box. That's that's what's ruining a lot of this stuff is is the abuse people start taking off. Sure, man. You know, the 13 or some mattresses that were on one Yeah. One house. I mean, those are the things that I watched many hall ice plate dump mattresses a couple neighbors down from me last.

Yep. And and that's like I said, that's that's the sad thing. I mean, the abuse of of these type of things leads people to not want to do that because what what did you say Linux was doing? They do one free data sold. Yeah. We do that. We literally issue one free data to the Sou Falls land which doesn't cost any money. We all have a free day to the Sou Falls landfill because we live in the same we live in the five pound. I was going to say I thought just me as a citizen I already did I already had that one. Yeah.

Like you go to Sou Falls and you write your name on the list like I did my one time. I I I was thinking to myself like I feel like that's already a thing. It is.

So what do you want to do? Do you want to table talk to the available? I'd rather I'd rather I'd rather have you just tell me if you want it curbside or not and we'll work out the details. Curbside. I think curbside to vote on that. I think I'm curbside. I I'm I'm I'm up against the wall, but I I I've wand picked up. I want to put it in folks's face that we're going to give you curbside and then I'm going to go up in the air and I'm going to look over three people's lawns and I'm going to say you didn't do it

and it's curbside not somewhere over here or somewhere over there and piles that we will tell you. Okay. Do we need a motion for that? Yeah. Do we need a motion for that or not? It'd be clean. Okay. All right. I'll do a motion to say we'll do curbside citywide cleanup. Uh where it will include specific instructions on how to place the things at your curb and we'll come out with more information on dates and um species on how that's going to function coming up soon.

So I paraphrase that. The citywide cleanup will be curbside citywide cleanup with more details to come. There you go. Perfect. Okay. Is there a second? Second. Okay. Go. Commissioners Peterson. Hi. York. Hi. Carlson. Hi. Mayor L Garver. No. Mayor Lstrom. Hi. Motion carries.

Okay. Let that one get here. Okay. Moving on to new business. We have a a reszone hearing for somebody wants to pronounce that for me. Megan's it is that it for LLC um planning and zoning conducted their hearing on April 28th for proposed ordinance for the Amega. Somebody say that name

Amaganz. Okay. Um four and that is parcel 200.98.00.10 10 Z from urban reserve to combined zoning of residential um for proposed lot A track one bron edition and urban reserve for the remainder of the parcel and is recommended from the PNZ to uh recommend the passage of this. So we will conduct a hearing at this time. Um this is the time and place for the hearing on the proposed resone for the property owned by Amiganza for LLC located at parcel 200.98.00.10. The hearing is now open. The purpose of this hearing is to hear public comments on a request to reszone this property at partial 29800100 from urban reserve to combine urban reserve and residential. If any member of the city commission has a conflict of interest with this issue, they should so state and abstain from mis participation of this hearing. Anyone? Okay. Um I'll tell you one thing that we got is that the city got as part of this deal was we required a plat to reflect the two different areas being zoned. And as part of that plat, we requested right away for a street to go through there and we obtained that right away. So in the future, we have we won't have to renegotiate for street right away from it.

And you just wanted to point that out. Yeah. Okay. It was beneficial to us. She worked with us for it. Are um is there a representative here that would like to speak? Okay. You want to come forward? it can pronounce it. Yeah, come up here and

tell us what you're doing. Uh so we're just reszoning the property from agricultural so that just where the house location is stays residential for for this guy's property as he's um he's maintaining the rest of his property as agricultural. So for his insurance purposes for his property he's just res to be residential. Okay. So just just where the the house is. Yes. Correct. Mhm. Because there's how many acres there? About 10.

So it was platted to have the house one sectioned off and another plat and so the platted section where the house is that's residential. The rest stays. Okay. Yes. Any other questions? What street did you get to write away from? San Okay. Are there any proponents to this issue?

No. Are there any opponents to this issue? Hearing nothing further, the public hearing is now closed. Um I would now entertain a motion on a first reading for this reason. Motion for first reading. Okay. Thank you. Um another one. Okay. Now, we're going to um the operating agreement for the wheel.

Um we did not require or we did not receive the required um bond for this agreement. So, I would recommend no action tonight. Okay. Do we cable or just uh you can just leave it. We'll bring it back whenever it's all right. Ready? No action. Next. Um that's all we have. That's on the agenda. We have commissioner dialogue. Chris, do you have anything? I do not at this time.

Okay. Sure. Um I wanted to point out we have a couple of new businesses in town. So we have the new dog groomer. Um I've already got my dog scheduled for tomorrow and I've heard really good things. And then we also have the new tattoo shop. So just FYI people, we've got some new businesses for you guys to attend. On that note, we also have been receiving communication from someone who purchased Bushwhacker. We'll have Okay. Oh, and the food truck is coming at some point. Yeah. Yeah. We'll have something really exciting in terms of somebody taking over Bushwhackers in the near future, though. All right. Good. Good to hear. Anything else, sir? Nope. That's it. Paul,

Doug, no. Okay. I don't have anything either. So, do you have anything, Kyle? I do not. You have anything more you have to say? Like rodeo went well. Yes, I did. Lots of kids, lots of bikes. Okay. So, someone make motion for exec. Um, I'll make motion to go into executive session for SDCL 93419 for economic development. Okay. A second. Second call. Commissioners York Carlson Jeff Garver. Hi. Peterson. Hi, Mayor.

Hi. So, we will go into executive session. Thank you people. That amigans press this way. That guy on that