Planning Board - Regular Meeting

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I was there somewhere the other day and the guy was like, "Let me take your computer and hook it up to this like screen." Don't touch my computer. What do you think? Just give a lady what I'm doing. All right. Okay. So, if we're all set, we can call the the meeting to order. Uh 6:02, I think. Yeah, you have your March 19th meeting minutes here. I did correct one spelling error correct name.

Motion to accept the meeting minutes. Second it. It's all in favor. Is that you raising your hand? Um I did not see any permit log review from the CEO, but we we probably need to ask like on Monday so that he can make a copy and put it in our box. Yes. It should should be the time of year for to start getting those. So when I send the agenda for Kathy to put online, I'll send a note to Aaron at the same time and ask that's usually Monday of the same week. Yeah. Okay. Cool. Since we have a guest, do we want to maybe go out of order and take our guest first? Sure.

You don't have to listen to us talk about the comprehensive. I'm a guest plan. You Well, I'm Chris Dailyaly. You guys don't know who I am. I own self storage down here. Yeah. Uh, I'm thinking about putting uh uh tackle boxes in there and I want to know if I have to get a permit to do it or it because it's it's not a permitted structure. Yeah. Um, is it going to be sitting on concrete pad? I probably be sitting on, you know, round pad pad. Just on footers like just

When you say round pad, you mean just like those footers? Yeah, just a footer. You know, just Yeah, the round pads. Yeah, just just a round pad. Like three or four on a side or something, huh? Like three or four on a side or something? It goes I don't know. I haven't yet just this is my my thought process. I think that I had to come here first. Yeah. Find out what I need to know and what you guys need to tell me. As far as I know, if you don't have a concrete pad, it shouldn't be a permitted thing. You might want to check with the town office about how many you can put or whatever. Yeah. Or the space. You might have prepare a gravel pad or something like that.

Well, I've got the gravel pad underneath it. I I need I I need I I I was thinking, oh, you know, I I could build another another building. And then I said, you know, if I cleared out the here would get you I have another place for another building already. Okay. You know, I said I I could put three or four of these in here, you know, and it'd be 10 by 20s. Yeah. Yeah. So, uh, now I I could do it for less money than I can build them. Yeah. Yeah. Using the containers. Yeah. And and I don't have to do any maintenance on it.

Right. You just move it in and set it there and then run, you know, time comes that it could it can disappear. Yeah. You could actually rent the containers themselves and let people take them to their property. Well, that could be too, but right now I just I I just need some extra I just want some extra spaces and I have some I have a little bit of cash to put into it, but I don't have a lot. Yeah, I would suggest that you also submit just a drawing and a sketch to the code enforcement officer because they want to make sure the setback requirements, you know, are correct

measurements from your your property line and stuff like that. Oh, and property lines at Main Road and the other property lines on the way on the other side of the brook. Oh, okay. Yeah. And I think you have to be at least 100 ft from the from the brook. I I I at one time I could I had thought about putting a trailer in there. Uhhuh. And I had a centric plan and everything else all drawn up to have that done. But uh I decided I'd just build my house that I have now. Yeah. And be satisfied.

Would these be visible from the road? Would these be visible from the road? Uh yes and no. You know, there's a building. There'll be building in front of it depending on which way you point them. Yeah. But know which way which way you come by. But no, it's not really visible. They're not going to be right beside the road or anything. Yeah. Yeah. The building be back behind your buildings, right? Yeah. They'll be on the other side of the building. Other side of the buildings, right? They'd be in into the woods. So they're basically the size of a tractor trailer, right? It's a 10 They'd be 10 by 20 and they're containers half size. Instead of 40 foot, maybe 20 foot. Yeah. Be half of the half. Correct. Yeah. How many are you thinking about putting in?

Depends on the one I can give for a deal. Yeah, probably three or four to start with. I I I I think I can put three, maybe four. Uh I I I got to do a lot of measuring and and and figuring about how I got to move snow. Yeah. I'm not sure how close they'd want them placed either. Well, I you know I that would all that would do for me would would make it almost impossible for me to plow, right? You know, and that's not going to happen. Yeah. So, you're going to try and keep them squeezed together. I I I I put 30 feet between each one of the buildings. I wish I'd have gone 40T.

Yeah. Just to make it easier. Yeah. Yeah. It would have been a lot easier for But knowing that now Yeah. Yeah. Not like you want to move them now. No. All of them. Yeah. Yeah. You want to buy them? I'll move them. Yeah. No, I built them all myself. Yeah. I been at it 22 years, 23 years now. Very cool. So, I think the suggestion is to go ahead and draw up a plan once you think you've figured out what you want to do. submit it to the town office. I don't think you require a permit, but it'd be nice to know what's going in.

Yeah. They just want to know. Well, if I have a plan, I will let you know. Yeah. They just want to want to check the uh the set. I get my plan is like, h because I'm I'm I'm slow now. Yeah. I don't go into things very fast anymore. Well, I think we'll take a good look at the commercial ordinance just to double check. I don't think there is anything there, but I don't there's always something that comes up that you don't expect. So, we'll just do a double check and yeah, get back to you with either uh information or not.

No, I I'll check with Aaron and and but I I needed to come to to you guys and find out if I actually would need a permit to to put them in. I don't know. it. As long as you don't have a a concrete pad in, I don't think so. Right. Right. Well, that's what the state says. They don't The state doesn't tax it, right? You can't be taxed on it because they're not Yeah. They're mobile. They're mobile. Yeah. Yeah. Which for me, I went, "Yeah." Okay. Spot on.

Yeah. Yeah. I I I might be able to make some money after four, five, six, seven years. No, they pay for themselves as well. Yeah. And even if you did get more and you stacked them close, you could rent them out the whole container. Well, and then bring it back. What I need to do is I need to clear out the other side. Yeah. I I I have a over two acres out the other. I I started to get some of it down. I I I took them the small trees. Yeah. Yeah. that that that made into went into my house. Yep.

And part of it did anyway as the yellow part went into my h went into the the logger's pocket, my pocket. Y but I had one beautiful find in there. Boy, it was gorgeous. Yeah. But uh that

so I would just double check the commercial ordinance because that's really the one that would apply to you. And I don't think it um I'm just reading through it now. doesn't really have anything that um doesn't look like it has anything here, right? So, if you're ex uh applies to all proposals for new expansions to or a change in commercial use. So, you're expansioning expansion you're expanding your commercial use, right? Existing commercial uses may continue, be repaired, maintained, or improved, and extensions or expansions must be in conformity with the ordinance. Um I'm just skipping over stuff that isn't relevant. uh you're not served by public water and sewer. Um you're not actually building a new lot. Um they don't want you to have more than 75% of the space to be impervious. So like they don't want you paving it, but you're graveling. You're not

concreting. Yeah. It would be paved sometime. And uh I figured 29 29. Right. Right. This is 100 feet um min a minimum frontage of 100 feet which you've already got all that long road frontage setbacks of 25 feet from the rights of way easements or ab budding property owners right so I I would can I can email you this or print it out and bring you a copy but I think it's just worth going through those checking those off so you know what you're doing yeah I could draw up a little plan and see what those 18 guys Yeah it's all a gravel area anyways right gravel anyways it's already there and essentially just like parking a trailer on it. But yeah,

yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Cool. I just wanted, you know, the only way I find out these things is to check. Exactly. I I I don't trust myself. I used to know all these the same the same things you're talking about, but they've been revised maybe five to six dozen times since then. I used to know them all. Very cool. All right, I'll make sure you have a copy of that just so you have one. Okay, that should work. All right, thank you.

So, you guys going to have fun tonight? Are you are you uh you you spit nails in each other? No, not no. It's pretty good working conditions. We're going to pause for the Artemis 2 launch. 11 minutes. In 11 minutes. That might be important to watch. That's a speaker. No, no, that's the camera. That's a camera. That's it. Yeah. Well, it is actually it's what captures the voices and sends it to the It is a speak. It's the Oh, yeah. It's It's that too does everything. You get a good good speaker in here. Oh, yeah.

Yeah. Listen to some of the reporting almost impossible to hear. It can be true. Oh, it's Yeah. Yeah. Uh, I have a buddy. You're welcome to stay. I have a buddy of mine who does that for a living, so Oh, really? Yeah. Well, he's a sound engineer. Oh, of course. Yeah. But nah, I I don't want him getting involved. Yeah. Yeah. Thank you, Chris. Have a good one.

Thanks. You, too. So, do you want to go in order? Do you want I don't care. Want to talk food truck for 10 minutes? Yeah, probably. Yeah. Um, just brought it up to bring it up. So, they they stopped in the town office. Was in the town office and this gentleman stopped in and he wanted to know where he could park his food truck. And she said, "That might be a question for the planning board. We don't really have an ordinance. Yeah. Or anything about it right now. Um so is he talking about a full-time place or so

spots that he can roam around? That it sounded like more like a spot he was looking for. Uhhuh. Um we spit balled uh over by the the school, but that might compete with the snack shack and we want that for rack funs. Right. Right. Right. Um, we talked about the boat launch. Yeah. Um, but that's supposed to be used for launching boats and parking cars. There's usually enough room. You know, Gray own the lot that is

Is it the one right across from Big Apple with the little blue caboose? No, the caboose. this this lot which is where the previous thing is and a certain amount of land goes around that that's owned by um I just talked to him it'll come to me another guy they own the lot that is kind of behind that really okay oh so they own this chunk back here that goes like from the parking lot all the way down to the road and where there used to be a brick structure down station I remember they own all that the grays own that well what I so we mentioned road Sure, cuz it's public property. Anybody can park there. Mhm.

Um he's like, "Well, I'd run off a jenny." And they Well, there's no noise ordinance, so as long as people weren't Yeah. There's nobody complaining at 10:00 at night that you're sitting there running a jenny or something, you know. Um, so that was one of the places I mentioned the little blue caboose place that's right across from like I don't know who owns that place, but maybe you could talk to them and park right in front of this little blue I do have his house. I do have his number. Originally that was uh he wanted to make that a um marijuana dispensary. Okay. But he never filed any of his paperwork with the state. He was the impetus that got us to have a um marijuana ordinance for the town because we didn't have one

and he was pushing for it. Well, he was very I mean very nicely assertive, but he brought in people who are suppliers and people are growers and he brought all kinds of information who built the original marijuana ordinance for medical marijuana use only. Um and then he has never filed his paperwork with the state. Now, I talked to him last August because the lake association has their their big summer event down there. I said, "Is it okay if we throw a portage on John? Can we park on your end of the property, but he's always like, "Yes, yes, yes." Yeah. His brother lives in town and is kind of managing it for him. He's moved out of state, the guy who owns it. No, I don't know. So, I don't know what the deal is with he and his brother, what percentage you to the bones or anything like that, but his brother's the one who's maintaining it and he lives over on Pinewoods Road in the old Donnie Hutchkins house.

So, we can get a whole I have numbers for both of them. Okay. We could certainly let him get the guy. Okay. Who wants the food? Well, he left his card, his business card. Um, uh, Kathy was going to bring it up at Sled. Mhm. And I said I'd bring it up at planning board, but you know, there's I think there's lots of opportunity and certainly on the weekends. It's a busy lake during the summer, so he could actually probably turn a buck. Wouldn't it be great to think about future planning, right? Exactly.

You know, if we could encourage more things like this, they want to be a kind of a recreation, you know, community. That's what we are. Yeah. Even over by the uh the ATV trails and stuff, they're when they have events and stuff. Yeah. Perfect. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. So, anyways, that's this. Nice. Okay. around. Okay. Oh, tennis. Oh, you want to check it out? I'm just going to take a picture of the uh car.

Doesn't slide well. So, we And we have several other ones in town. Oh, Tyler Booby. Why does that name sound? Uh, that's from Booby Farms. From Booth Farms, maybe. Yeah, we had That's the first I don't know. Oh, when I saw the name, that's the first thing I thought of. We had the ugly dumpling. Um, who's a guy from Farmington who sells all kinds of like Chinese food like dumplings, which is very he we had him supposed to come to a lake association event and he he never he didn't show, right? And we we'd advertise all this stuff. So, we had a question um some people finally got to his website and were pretty nasty about it.

And he's like, "Well, I couldn't like track you down." I'm like, "We had exchanged information several times. We talked about it. But I sent confirmations, but he didn't show up. Um um Mary Wayright and their business, they have a food truck and there was somebody else who came to the historical society um last year and did a food truck in front of the historical society. So I know there's several. So the question is like do you want to have just one? Do you want to make a spot? These are exactly the kind of cottage industries slash Yeah. you know services businesses people would like to to see. Yep. Especially in the summer

or on weekends in the winter when we have snow on the ground. Jay has the text truck. Yes. And they come to his um like when they on the 11th um for the fire department cornhole. They were here last year. Oh yeah. text. I did the barbecue. Yeah, they're they're all right, but they're a little high price, but Yeah. Yeah, that was little expensive, but it's not every thing, but it's it's an occasional thing. Yeah.

Yeah. There was a food truck um festival that went on in Portsouth, New Hampshire a year or so ago. And she told me about it afterwards. I'm like, you didn't call me beforehand? I would have been happy to eat my waist before with you. You know, that would have been fun, right? All right, cool. Um, hold on. Where's my live my live feed? Here we go. Come on, NBC. It's It's reloading. We're getting out of place. Oh, wait. It just says 10 minutes. That's not right. I know it's got to be less than that.

Listen. Thank you. RS entrance team everything was clear right before they started you said wow they said the war was clear what did that mean there are no launch criteria that they're working or that it's all clear. So, there's no problems that would keep us from watching is what they said. And couldn't you hear a little bit of the they stopped the

the 10-minute countdown. Looks like it stopped at 10 minutes. The clock isn't moving. The name of the capsule was interesting. It was the Canadian astronaut who I think said it best, Al. He said, "We're doing this for humanity." And we all kind of said, "Wow." It just it's really literally sent generous I think down everybody's eye goosebumps because that to the because to your point you imagine it's it's and they were they were touting this at the Houston Space Center they were saying this is a short-term thing because eventually they want to build a space station on the moon which would then allow them to launch off to Mars.

So this is like the basics the start of that before they lift off. Uh, I talked to her. I talked to her several times and she said that she as a little girl watched Apollo landing on the moon. They rolled the black and white TV into her classroom and that was the moment she went home and told her family, I want to do that someday. She was a little girl and the reaction was, "Okay, sweetie, that may not be a job for you. She's been to the tournament since she was a little girl and she's running the show right now about today's guys. started yet over to getting the the rocket actually ready to go. So it's all pressurized and it already absolutely ready to go.

Talking heads, I tell you, they're just like sports announcers, right? Yeah. Nothing good to say. We always I joke about I want to say his name, one of the study night announcers. He said he waffles so badly like, "Oh, so and so he's wash. Oh my god, look at that play. He's the greatest person that ever was. He just waffles back and he's the color commentator, right? But I just hate listening to him earlier than we were last.

I got full body chills when I heard it. Come there. This is the best in the house. All this beautiful after the hundreds of taxes. Okay. Keep half an eye. Waiting for they still attend it. Okay. All right. So, um is there any update from the budget committee? Yeah, we have a full agenda on Monday night. Did you go last Monday night? I thought they were last Monday. I did. Did they talk about the planning board budget? Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Sam um there were some changes to it that that they

um for the alternate reporting for the 25 they're going to be taking over a a chair. So instead of Yeah, the alternate doesn't get paid unless they sit in. So they don't actually need funding for that. Okay. So they adjusted that for that. They dropped down 25. You put in cents. You put in 5,000 cents. You put in 5,040. They say 4,340. And 4340. 434. 4340.

Okay. You asked for $100 in the mileage. They dropped to 50 because so that's we dropped it from something really really high down to 100. Oh the 10-minute countdown has started now. Okay. The clock is moving. So for your everything that you were asking um it was 5,900. They dropped it to 5,100. Okay. And the whole conversation went pretty pleasantly. So there was no big no big problems. Yeah. Really well. Yeah.

It should have been. Yeah. Brought my heart helmet just in case something got Yeah. So I did just want to confirm that after last week's uh planning board meeting, which was a public hearing as well, all four of those ordinances we want to send to the select board for putting on the town warrant. Right. That's on the agenda for next week for them and that we need a decision from them by next week because if they choose not to do that, we have to then decide do we want to do anything about that or not. Yeah. Their big thing is they they wanted to send them all to legal and they wanted to wait until the beginning of the fiscal year to do that. Yeah. Right. We talked about that during the planning bird meeting though. Yeah.

And the changes are so minor and they've all been reviewed very recently. So to me that's not yeah it seems a bit exorbitant that's not they're pretty sad looking and and we can't really afford to do that until after the beginning of the fiscal year in June. My concern is well my concern is that with the revised budgets for the sewer department for everything else that we still we may or may not have money for that in the future.

Yeah. But hasn't attorneys looked at the ordinances before and gone through everything and said, "Okay, with little changes, why should we?" Well, I think we gave them a rationale before. I think we need to reiterate that rationale that says, "Here's why we think this is an acceptable risk and so we're asking you to do XYZ." And then they ordinance that was like never looked at hadn't been looked at in years and years like one of the like solar's been looked at 20 times. We really going to send that back to an attorney again. The sewer well that was reviewed maybe sewer but

sewer but the sewer matches the state's right recommendation.

We went through all of this headwork when we decided you know it doesn't make sense to spend our attorney money on this. Um, so I wholeheartedly agree. I'm I'm risk averse as a former project manager, but that doesn't mean, you know, absolutely no risk if it doesn't make sense to to do that. And I'm I'm trying to our town can't afford things right now. We're going to stuff like that anyway. Um, and is somebody gonna and what is the likelihood that somebody's going to sue me over the sew sewer ordinance or the planning board ordinance, right?

You know what I mean? As I look at these, the one that, you know, maybe solar, but that, like I said, that's been to the attorney because of many reasons and very recently, so I'm pretty comfortable with that. Thanks. Cool. Um, Tanel Tanelo Solar. Yeah. Um, I talked to Mr. Barrett. Yeah. And I talked to Jason Vaughn as well. Um, Mr. Barrett sent a note. I think he copied everybody that he's out of town this week. He gave us a schedule. Let me find that schedule. Um, and said he would be happy to come and do a walkthrough of the site.

U, but he gave it out like a couple weeks out. And we would be great to have Aaron walk that site because he's never seen it either. And he hasn't. I don't think so. Nobody's been out there except us. Yeah. And Jason Vaughn has also said he went over it on the phone with Mr. Barrett, but he had not um visited the site. Yeah, he should. He should too. Yeah. Yeah. And he said he could do it after four o'clock. If we schedule it around a four o'clock thing, he could do it. If he It's early in the day, he can't make it. But he said he could do it at Okay. All right. Which And he said it's like at least two weeks out.

Yeah. I'm just I'm looking for that again. Okay. All right. Yeah, it seems weird that people have that have problems with the ordinance haven't even been there, you know. Well, and that seems odd to me. The proposed changes, we looked at those changes, right? And I did ask Jason um did he have any problem with the proposed changes themselves and he said no. He said it's just that he didn't feel he had the authority to to grant a shift from what had been previously permitted, which he doesn't and that that makes absolute sense. It makes absolute sense. If they're going to change what the layout looks like, then let's relook at the layout again. Absolutely. And it's really that there's I guess the ordinance asks for a road that goes all the way around for safety reasons, right?

And because that's not that far from the major road, right? And I guess they it's not really feasible. They don't want to put the road on one side. It's closest to the major road. Right. Right. Um, if I were in a butter, I don't know that I would want to see two roads popping out of that than either. I would be happy with just the one. That's me. Well, you have that drawing, right? If I were in a butter. I don't think I bought the door today, but um Jason Jason did say that if there's a fire on those solar panels, first of all, they're not going in there anyway because of all the toxic fumes on the solar panels. And he said if we have to throw foam, we can reach it from the road. Right. Exactly. said, "We're not even going in there." So, from an access standpoint for a safety issue, he said, "That's not an issue." Right. Okay.

Um, so he didn't see any problem with the proposed changes. Now, when we looked at that drawing, there was a couple spots on there that said additional engineering required. Um, and so I did ask him, hey, what are you going to do about these little spots? And what what's the problem there? It was on the bottom. If you're looking from the river up to the solar panels, okay, what you come in the driveway, the road that comes around the bottom, the road comes up here. It does not go along the back side of the No. Right. But down here on this side down here, there was two little dots on his drawing that said additional engineering required. No, I I did say what's going on with those two spots. What do I Well, on on the drawing they had that was a proposed turnaround spot for the fire trucks. Right. It's right right where you said.

Right. Right. But there was another spot that said it wasn't the wasn't the turnaround. It wasn't. Okay. Yes. Something different. And I asked him, "What's the issue there?" What do you what do you when when will you have your additional engineering done for those right whatever that spot is and I have not heard back on that. Okay. Okay. Um I'm not connected to the internet so I can't get I don't want to I don't want to bury my phone. It's two and a half minutes. Yeah. Oh, they're starting to like blow steam out the bottom. What's the clock at? Few minutes. Oh, excited.

Sorry, public as we pause for this historic moment. Back to the moon we go. Step one. Are they landing or they're doing a They're doing a sort of comeback. Said the same thing. It's hard on the families. So, if you want to look for heroes in this business, don't look to the astronauts. Look at their families. Those are the heroes. That's so true. very those families just like military families heroes possibility he wouldn't go back if they had to go on without him

I was in the library I was in the room over the air if you will listen as soon as they start speaking again right now let's listen in I'm older than You know, you I was in fifth grade. Sorry. And you're probably very traumatized, too. I didn't know what everybody time for a quiz. I never saw the space shuttle take off. I thought it was an actual and then I went back to I got my book

and then all the teachers said, "I'm back for this time. Can't believe us. That's the guy like, "Oh, they're making mixing. Did you go in his place?"

One of the first Apollo guys they asked about, "How do you think you talk and things?" He goes, "I'm thinking this is built by the lowest speed contractor." Don't forget hear that power.

Clear the tower. Is that going to be satellite picture?

Wow. Go, go, go. Took some beautiful pictures for us. They have a shed booster rocket.

They had two boosters on. It's some little stuffed animal that they're going. But who's just at zero G? Oh yeah, that's the tradition is they let a little stuffed animal float around. And some school kid designed it. It's really cute.

Poor cameraman's trying to zoom zoom zoom zoom. Well, I tried taking a picture of the moon one time camera on it and it it was such a magnification was that I mean, you know, hair's very tricky to film. When I retire, I'd like to ask you,

I have a very big telescope that we got for free. But I can't get it to work. So nobody know where I'm sh and Westberry, you know association guy several. Oh, okay. ready.

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Wait for 806. We were camping over near South Arm one time. My parents, my kids were little and everything and we were my dad wanted to go to Rangley. So he he always, you know, he knew where he was, right? So he somehow between South Arm and Rangley, he picked some back road. We're all crammed in his pickup truck and we're coming and the road's getting narrower and narrower and then all of a sudden we corner this huge rock in the middle of the road. Oh jeez.

Well, I could see my my mother or she's anxious about these things anyway. My dad's kind of bling along. Things are getting tense in the car and my son goes, "Houston, we have a problem. whole car breaks up now like son you are the best at reading the room and figuring out what to say was very good okay so that saints so so Artemus 2 successfully yeah

if we can if I can I'll double check that email and if and send a note to all of you in copying Aaron and Jason and Mr. Barrett and say, "Hey, here's a couple dates. Can we do it on one of these dates?" Right? And let's see if we can get everybody's calendars to Yeah. Um, so that would be cool. I'll do that. And you might you may need to help Aaron commit to that. I don't know. He doesn't return my email, so I don't really know if he's I stepped down. He was out of the office when I stopped last weekend.

Um, at least we all know. Hopefully he's got a chance to get back through his email and he'll respond. All right. So, the select board would like to hold a candidate night here. I'm not sure whether they're governor candidates or senate candidate. I'm guessing governor candidates, but um they'd like us to know if we could reschedule our May 7th meeting to another date. When are they doing that? What time? May 7th. I'm guessing it would be 6 p.m. But I don't know. I don't know what time it is. They would like the evening of the 7th. So, when do we want to reschedu? It's May, right?

You want to go for the day before again? May 6th, I think. That work. That works good actually. Yep. So, I'm going to miss one thing board meeting in May. I can make I could probably zoom in for that one on the sixth. Okay, I'm going to miss the one on the 21st, but I'll try to see. Now, you're out of town. Do you want to move that to the 20th or something? Or is that your No, I'm watching I'm watching Jesse's dogs while she's on her honeymoon, so I'll be out for a couple weeks. Okay.

Um, that's when I was going to try to do the work on, you know, making it pretty. If we can all agree on a format, how we want it to look, I'll I absolutely have the time to work on making the cop plan look great. Funny you should speak on this. I to a couple of plans. So, I did talk to um O'Donnell about the maps and he said to me, "We have them all PDF. I could just print them out and color them in like by hand." And I said, "Hey, hold on.

We're one step ahead of you on this. um they're not digitized. It cost it's going to cost the town of Canada about $10,000 to digitize all of those property maps and then they can be updated on a regular basis. I said to him, I think we can do it with a then we try he said we tried an AI. He goes, well, you're ahead of me. So he did he told me two things. He said, you can go see if the state has digitized maps. I did find the the library. 2013 was the last time these were done. So, I don't know that it's going to be relevant, but he said, you know, the town owned properties may not change that much unless it's the uh like they have foreclosures or whatever, right?

Which they usually turn over pretty quickly. But so these I this blows up or not, but that's one potential is to get them identified through this the state thing, the geo library. Yes. Um uh I think I'm going to try Canva and just take what we've got and put it in there, which I think that is sweet. So I also um I think I've been on that state mappy thing before. I found it not very helpful usual user friendly. Yeah. I spent a lot of time trying to figure out okay well if I go to this layer or this layer what can I see? in.

So I also asked for um three example I went to AI and said hey I need three examples of towns of less than 2,000 people who are do who do a really good visual representation of their comprehensive plan and it's anywhere in the in the northeast. didn't they have to be Maine and they gave me uh Rockport um Bgrade and another town and most of them were not at all what I was looking for.

But I did find this was the town of Rockport. This was their review from the state a year ago when they went through and read the plan and checked it for consistency and um completeness. Right. So this I just thought interesting to see what they reviewed like they have comments. they have specific sections saying, "Hey, you should do this and this and this." So, I just thought seeing what a state of view looks like could be helpful that as well. Belgrade I printed out and all these these comprehensive plans were for Belgrade and Rome and Rockport were like between 175 and 225 pages long. Jesus Christ. So, I went

I just went and looked at the one for South Portland. They just released theirs. Yeah, like literally just released it. 675 pages, right? Yes. So, so I took it I took Belgrades and I just printed out the beginning of it. So, I thought this was interesting because they have their recommendations are right up front. Everybody else is at the back, which is one of the things we didn't want. Yeah. No, I don't want that. I wanted executive summary with Well, I have I have a model for you. Actually, this is page 145 of their 225 page in before they got to the recommendations, which is why we said we didn't want to do that. So, people competent

and they're all basically a lot of words, which we also said, isn't this is the traditional plan format, right? I think is a much better way to do it. heads. Let me bring you the Utah Lake Management Fund, which is I submitted a proposal to them last year and I saved this because I I liked it. But the way the lake and they have pretty pictures um because the Utah lake was very pretty and when you look at the the lake, it's actually shaped a lot. I know. It's very pretty. Um but the what I liked about it is they came up with a logo, right? We don't have a town logo. We had that little the house the island house but maybe we should put that little white house

got that we got the main thing with the heart. Yep. Right where we are. So this is just the beginning of their pages. So they have their but it's this is in PowerPoint format which landscape which I think makes it easier if you're going to do it at town meetings if you're going to use I like PowerPoint. Yeah, me too. Big fan.

Um and it just visually is appealing, right? And they have different headers. They're similar. It's different sections have these little banners at the top. Um, they give their acronyms and abbreviations right up front. One more picture, but then they have, look at their whole table of contents is all on one page. So nice to read. It's very easy to read. They only printed out one chapter. But what I liked about this is this was the uh introduction, purpose, and scope. The planning team put their little map introduction page left blank. But look at this. I just I like the visual treatments. Yeah.

For this. And they have vision, mission. They're different colors. They have slightly different headers. Um goals and objectives. This is it. This is the plan summarized in one picture. Yeah. I was like, that's what we need. That's why I saved it. Right. Because it talks about we need three or four key areas, right? And then and then the supporting just like that,

right? the supporting thoughts under each of those three or four key areas. I saw the same thing in South Portland. They did it the same way. They also divided up their town. Um, and without being in their future use document, they're like this section we would like to have for, you know, business. This section is recreation without any specific further further well further into the document. I didn't read through the whole thing. It was 675 pages, right? There's no way. Sure. You Well, they had all the the really meaty stuff that we've been working on. You could tell was all the back end of that. So, I focused on just the front,

right? Um but they kind of linked back. Okay, here's this section of town and here's uh you know, three under vibrant community, how that's supporting three when we do this. Right. I just like the idea of each kind of having areas identified where, you know, we really don't want to mess with this. It's lake front or whatever our reasoning is, right? Yep. Yeah. So, this was a lake, so it's not going to be the bright topics, but they have four things under each one. You go to each one and you get under thriving ecosystems, you get um, you know, the goal and objectives with another little nice.

Exactly. Goal and objectives. And then each one goals golden objectives also under under thriving and then under like worldclass recreation which was another the other one of the other four areas right goals and objectives vibrant communities. So this is like their three chapter three and so those were pretty like the macro pieces. Um and then there's I didn't print out obviously all of it but I just thought oh then you start to get to okay so now we have goals the idea conception. How do we measure progress? made it so much so user friendly. Yeah. Because we all like pictures, right? And I'm like, "Oh my god, look, they have little icons for every single

and they're different for the worldass recreation. What is our goals? How are we going to measure it?" I'm like, that's very similar to what I just saw with I mean, they're bigger. South Portland, of course, but it's the same thing. You identify your goals, objectives, and then you got to be able to tie it back later on, right, in the document when you're actually making those plans. Well, then they went one step deeper, right? So here's a here's a knowledge and information gap. Here's policy gap which I thought was I thought was a very that's interesting partnership or engagement gap. So it's like what do we not need to know to make to advance this goal? What do we need to change in policy to be able to advance this goal? Who do we have to partner with and get help from to do this goal which made it much simpler than other stuff I'd seen.

Um but anyway I just I like that. I like that. I I like I like Durhams too. They do the same thing in PowerPoint, right? They make the really important vision statements. Yep. Boxed out with supporting things around it, right? And that's how they kind of go through their whole vision. So, but I just like the layout because if you don't want to read all of the supporting stuff, at least your eye is drawn to the center box. Yeah, I would color that or something, too. Yeah, I would color it. Yeah. pictures. Yeah. Well, I just looked at a pictures are also something we could

I just looked at a huge presentation the other day I was editing for someone and they were putting boxes but then they were putting boxes inside the boxes and I'm like why are these boxes here? Like boxes only there for emphasis, right? It's not a decorative thing here. And it's like it was too far along for me. I changed some of them. I like you've got a box inside a box. Yeah. I'm getting rid of one of those for you. You lose me. No one trusts in reading it. Well, there was just so many uh design elements that the words were getting lost, right? And then they had somebody just started going through and bold keywords and like so he said there's like this whole section and you've got 80% of it's all bolded. I'm like you only bold the stuff. I said bold the head anyway. It was not a they were yen, right?

Still learning powerful. It was uh I said don't give this to me on like 8 o'clock on a Sunday night. I need to do on Monday because that's okay now.

Well, it was part of it was a good friend who got stuck because somebody got let go. So, I did help her out. But the other people were writing chapters of this bigger thing and they were not consistent either. Engineering side wants consistency. Make them all the right font. Same font, same font size, same color scheme. Don't do that. Which is why this one was very pretty, but it had a lot of um good stuff going on. Sorry. Um I think we have some things there if you um I will finish the housing chapter and I think we have a number of those that are pretty well ready to go. Now do we want to figure out a way to get those? We can download those all into Word. I can download them all into PowerPoint. We can pull them out of Google Docs. Um, but those that's the inventory at the back, right? That isn't even the

right. No, I feel like we need to spend some time focusing on what are our key objectives, right, and goals. Yeah. Um, and getting our heads around those. Now, um, Don asked me, "When do we have our next work sessions?" And I said, and I couldn't find one on my calendar. It was next Wednesday. Is it next Wednesday? Yes. Yes. The 8th. Yes. Okay. 15th.

I don't have that one done because I wasn't going to be here. So, April 8th, 4 p.m. Yep. All right. And do we have one on the 15th also? My calendar does. You're so good. Thank you so much that for keeping us on track. I try. I'll be up just so late that day. Sorry I can't make it. Where? There you go. Which one? They have so many.

Oh. Oh, that's a good one. Yes. Yes. When I go to Vegas every fall for this conference, I usually try to see a different circus. Yes. Certainly. They used to perform in Disney. Yes. They have one at Downtown Disney in Florida. Yes. That was the very first one I saw. They got one. I show had one in Chicago. Yeah, they have m like I think there's like six different shows at least in Vegas. I didn't know there's a Michael Jackson show that I didn't realize there's Yeah, there's there's probably six. I looked at all of them just like John pick.

The Beatles one is very good, too. I don't think I can make the eighth.

I said 4 p.m. now. I might be able to. I have taxes that day. Yeah. Yeah. So, I'll be a question mark on that day. If I can get done my taxes in three hours, I'll be here. I just got my state return today. I was so excited. Last year, I didn't file till October and it was like weighing on the all.

Yep. It does. It absolutely does. All right. So, now we've got it on 15th and the 8th. So, we're going to meet again on the 16th. So, if we decide to do more, we can do them at the end. I'll be back on the 15th and the 16th. Okay. How come I don't have 16? Hopefully I win some money.

Then I'll be able to afford tickets to the Red Sox the last three games of the year. You know who they're playing, right? Yeah. The Chicago Cubs. Oh, really? Never been to Fenway. I just got uh on the waiting I I I probably the waiting listing is for the Savannah Bananas. Oh, they're coming to Foxboro and I I just got a notice on April 16th. I can sign in at a certain time and I can get up to five tickets, but Oh, I love them so much. They're coming to Portland. Oh my god, they're so great. Foxboro, I think. Have you ever seen Bananas? Really? Yeah. The baseball team Savannah Bananas. Go find him on Instagram.

You have to join a lottery for tickets, though. Well, Fox ever. What is it? Savannah Banas. See the ones from Portland. The Savannah Bananas. They sing and things and they're like they're like the Harlem Globe Trotters of baseball. Yeah. That's what they are. They don't know six different teams. They go They do. They do. They've been traveling too now. And we were just in in Jer in Savannah not too long ago. And I wish I would have known about it before I planned that trip because I learned about it after.

Okay. So just anyway,

let me just double check. So we are I'll just make sure Stephie had all these dates. So we are April 8th, April 15th and then at our meeting on the 16th we will set any dates beyond that. So I did send a note to Erica um Buffkins at AFCO who said she would have it to us by the end of the month which was yesterday. I will reach out to her again tomorrow. She's got the transportation chapter. I added all the changes to the natural resources one including the maps that he gave us. He gave us like three maps. So I put those in the document as well and I kind of moved some things around so it would read a little more fluidly. But

with the exception of one little minor section, I think that one's done. Well, I think um population looked good. Um I think I'm not sure why I can't the uh Don section I think looked good. Yeah. Um housing was all over the place because every source was the state is telling you like how many rentals we have and how many are like unoccupied. We don't have that many and so the it's like we have four and the data is like plus or minus 12. So it's kind of useless data. So, I'm trying to sip through what's really useful and what isn't the meat and potato. There might be some bigger picture like here's what's happening in the region that might be able to help us a little more.

Um, but I will I will get that done. And I I did play around last weekend with the uh history the historical thing. I'm converting the document they had into something that we can use here. So, that should I should finish that up shortly. Oh, great. Great. to that chapter should be done from an inventory standpoint because they're doing the so whats the so whats exactly the the meat of it right now you got it all written down so what yeah now what do you do this the fun stuff it is here's everything so what do you do so I emailed you that document but you can have that paper if you want yeah yeah I would love to look at this

I just thought oh it just it read so easily everything the action plans are right up front. Um, and it looks like our link well and it had the policy what I liked about it too because it has the policy who you have to partner with to get there and yes something else because we don't have a we have a policy and procedure manual for the town. Um, but it's not it doesn't have in in there things like how we're going to it's not actionable. We well it's more restrictive, right? Yeah. The policies keep you from doing certain things. that saying things like we need to have the policy that enables business partnerships and what could that look like? Those kind of things.

You want this cuz I'm going to take it. If you don't give it to you,

you want this? Yeah. Picture it upside down. Do we have any other topics on the agenda for today?

Then I move to second. All in favor? Yeah. Sauce. 7:00. So his visit will be in the meeting. Welcome. Let me stop reading his data team that