City Council - Regular Meeting

Good evening. I call to order this regular meeting of the city of Campbell City Council on Tuesday, October 21st, 2025. Could we have the roll call, please? Council member Vybe, present. Council member Hines, present. Council member Skazola, here. Vice Mayor Fado, here. Mayor Lopez

here. Thank you so much. Uh, at this time I will invite Mary Hines to lead us in the pledge of allegiance. I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.

Thank you so much. And uh uh Marian, I invite you to stay up there for for a second um before I come down. We'll go on to 3.1, which is a proclamation declaring the month of October as National Breast Cancer Awareness Month in the city of Campbell. And it's my honor to introduce to the community Mary Hines, a two-time breast cancer survivor whose strength, resilience, and advocacy inspire us all. She has faced this disease not once, but twice with courage and determination and continues to champion awareness, early detection, and support for those affected by breast cancer. Today, Mary joins us to accept this proclamation recognizing October as breast cancer awareness month, a time to celebrate survivors, honor those we've lost, and recommmit to finding a cure. Now, I'll invite you to say a few words.

Thank you for allowing us to do this. It's so exciting that you're making October breast cancer awareness month officially in a proclamation. Um, just I start I first had breast cancer 35 years ago when I was only 37 years old. had two little kids and somehow went got through it and had radiation and chemo and this year came back again to see me. So, um, but here again, knock on wood, I'm lucky I'm here. I didn't even have to do radiation or chemo this time and it was caught early. So, the message from me and my breast cancer surgeon and everybody is keep up with your medical screenings. Thank you for doing this and I'm excited to see the tower pink.

You too. Thank you. And I'll invite my colleagues to uh say a few words. Maybe we'll start with I just want to thank you for coming and the courage that you um exhibit with not only having it one time but twice. I know in my own family I've lost three members of my family to it and um the most important thing is early detection and and doing screening. So, thank you for for being here and welcome. Sorry for your loss. Uh we'll go over to the side. Uh council, would you like to say something?

Yeah, I'm particularly I love the message of you need those regular checkups and catch them early. It's so important and I just hope that we get to the day one day in our society where that's just a mandatory thing and it just happens all the time. Yeah, there's a lot of, you know, especially in the struggling community economically speaking. Yeah. You know, they don't get money and they don't have doctors to tell them go do this. So, yeah, we have a lot of work to do, but yeah. So, thank you. Thank you.

Thank you, Viceman. Yes. I just want to first of all, thank you, Mary, for being here and for your perseverance in this process. Um and to also acknowledge uh all the people who suffer from this uh ailment and who face these challenges. Um fortunately caught early, but even if not caught early, there's still appropriate treatment that could be done. A long way just in the 35 years that I had it the first time. So there's definitely

Thank you. Um let me come to you next. I'll say a few words. No, thank you. Um just Mary, thank you so much um council Hines for um suggesting the water tower be lit. Um I thought it was a fabulous idea to raise awareness and in Campbell we have um a very active community that cares deeply uh about about these issues. um recently had for the uh first time a uh youth group out of uh I believe San Francisco raising awareness around uh breast cancer for young people detecting it early. Uh we have one of the most active uh chapters for the American Cancer Society and their activities. Uh and so this is a community cares deeply about health, about being preventive and uh raising awareness can make the difference. And in my own family, I have people with heightened risk factors. Uh and so uh we know the importance of uh that awareness and screening and just normalizing talking about it, especially for young people.

Absolutely. Um and it's it's it's not something to to be scared of or shy away from, but just part of preventive treatment the same for any other disease. Uh and I'll go to council.

Well, thank you very much. included in my campaign was a search for the cure for cancer. Um Mary and I are grateful for Mary's successful treatment twice. We dream for a day of prevention for our daughter and we dream for eradication for our granddaughter. Uh we want to thank the city and my fellow council members for the highlighting this message and we encourage everyone to maintain as Mary said and can maintain their recommended medical screening. Early detection is Thank you, sweetie. Thank you for allowing this to happen. Thank you. Um, and I'll come down and present the proclamation. Councilor Hines, why don't you come with me and help me out?

Hi, council members. You didn't know you had to say something? No, I didn't. Oh, they didn't warn you. There's Oh, I'm reading this. No, no, you don't have to read it. You just read it. So, I accept. Okay. You sure? Yeah. I just want You're so beautiful. It's beautiful. Very sweet. You want to take a photo?

No, I don't. Thank you.

All right. Thank you all. Thank you again, Mary and Council Member Hines. Uh with that, we have the uh first 3.2 introduction of our 2025 through 2026 Campbell Youth Commission. And we will hear first from recreation supervisor Lauren Council.

I'd like to introduce Alex McCra who's been filling in as our staff leazison who's excited to do the presentation with our youth commissioners. Thank you.

Good evening Mayor Lopez and you know all the other members. My name is Alex McCra. I am the recreation specialist for the Campbell recreation department and I am happy to be serving as the staff liaison uh for this term. Um this year we have a total of 14 members ranging from 8th to 12th grade and a combination of six returning commissioners and eight new commissioners. It is my pleasure to introduce this year's chair Sophie Tuan who will introduce all of our commissioners and share the commission's initial work plan for the 2025 2026 term. Uh Sophie is currently in 11th grade at West Point High School and we're excited to have her return to the commission this year.

Good evening again, honorable mayor and members of the council. I'm a returning commissioner from last year and it's my honor to serve as chair of the Campbell Youth Commission for this year's term. We have 14 commissioners here with us tonight and I would like to take this opportunity to introduce them to you. Commissioners, as I intro introduce you, please stand. Aiden Medina, 10th grade, Bellereman College Prep. Eden Tafari, 12th grade, Lee High School. Ashley Bridgenell, 11th grade, Notre Dame High School. Kirk Kang, 9th grade, Westmont High School. Brandon Kang, 12th grade, Archbishop Midi High School. Caleb Kim, 12th grade, Bellereman College Prep. Leo Fu, 11th grade, Westmont High School. Sahana Medivvon, 8th grade, Rolling Hills Middle School. Amomar Ralph, 12th grade, Westmont High School. Mason Johnson, 12th grade, West Malt High School. Laura Conway, 9th grade, West Malt High School. Jackson Jezik, 12th grade, West Malt High School. Sarah Kong Binki, 11th grade, West Malt High School. At this time, I would like to invite our vice chair, Sarah, to the podium as we present this year's work plans. The commissioners met in August for an orientation retreat to go over goals and objectives this year and connect as a commission. The commissioners had a lot of great ideas and we were able to narrow them down into three major working groups that we will be sharing with you today. The first subcommittee focuses on teen wellness, fitness, and recreation. Its goals include cultivating empowerment in promoting mental and physical wellness among teens while enhancing community safety through social and educational events and opportunities. The group plans to participate in the city of Campbell's open house by hosting fitness station with engaging games and activities to encourage the youth to play, connect, and of course have fun.

The second working group focuses on teen life skills, civic engagement, and career building. The goal of this subcommittee is to support ongoing events that help teens grow not only as professionals but also as individuals. The group plans to participate in the city of Campbell's open house by hosting cooking stations where teens can learn quick and easy healthy recipes. In addition, the subcommittee plans to share tips on life skills, money management, and civic engagement through social media as a passive event. The final working subcommittee group revolves around teen community and leadership. The goals for the subcommittee are to empower youth to learn more about the city's past through a youth perspective.

Our commission will collaborate with the city of Campbell Civic Improvement Commission for their get to know Campbell event on Saturday, February 14th. The youth commission is excited to host a site along the walking route, offering community members interactive activities and the chance to learn more about Campbell's histories and opportunities for teens. This past weekend, the youth commission volunteered at the October Fest fund run, assisting with metal distribution, handing out water, and cheering on participants. We look forward to continuing our support of upcoming community and city events throughout our term.

Uh this concludes uh the commission's initial work plans for this year. We plan to come back during the midyear and also at the end of the term to provide updates to the council. Um so, thank you and we're happy to answer any questions. Thank you. Do you have any comments or questions from the council? Council Huts, just this is a fantastic program. Uh it's very impressive to see all of your participation in it and uh we'd love to be able to continue to get your feedback and and I think you said a cookie or was it a cooking or Oh, yes. Workshops. A cook. Oh, I'm going to be there. So, let me know when it is. All right. We'll make sure to have cookies. All right. Thank you very much. It's just fantastic. Thank you.

Thank you. Any others? Uh, vice mayor, please.

Yeah, I'd like to welcome all the members of the commission this year. Thank you for serving. Uh, it's good to see you come from a variety of high schools. You can share experiences with each other. And uh I think it's exceptionally good that you have an opportunity to see what we do in city government and what our responsibilities are at this level which are different from what the county does and different from what the assembly and the state senate does and of course much different from what the federal government does. Um but it gives you an opportunity to u uh think about being committed to whatever community you ultimately live in as adults and uh realize the importance of community success when we have good community participation. So, I hope you'll continue with this level of interest and responsibility and uh please feel free to uh as was mentioned uh bring things to our attention that you feel would be very important to the kind of work or some of the issues that we deal with. Thanks so much.

Thank you. Thank you, Council Member Esco. Yeah, this is always one of my favorite times of year seeing the new cast of characters, if you will. You know, I always appreciate uh that you guys are already engaged with your local community. Uh and we certainly need help uh with more people volunteering in government these days. There's a lot of disillusionment out there and I'm glad that you guys aren't and you're actually here helping and you have some amazing ideas and I particularly like the the health and wellness and fitness aspect that is so duly needed in just our country quite frankly. Thank you. Thank you so much. Council Bite,

I want to welcome everybody to the to the commission and welcome back to those that are returning. Um, this is I I enjoy this. This is the highlight of the the the kickoff of the season and learning about your work plans and um you are our future leaders. So, I'm glad to see that you're focused on community engagement and and leadership. and um I I wish you well in your endeavors and look forward to the progress that you make um and hope to see you u at city events and activities throughout the year.

Thanks so much. Uh and likewise, it's great for me to see such a mix of uh both new faces and returning uh uh members of the commission and assuming leadership roles. So, thank you for all your work. Yeah, I'll just I'll echo all the comments that have been made. And also if you see um opportunities to work together it may be events uh you know as as you're engaging in your work please bring that to our attention through your staff leaison of course um because I think you'll find a lot of interest and support. Great. So with that I think that wraps us up for this item. Thank you so much. Awesome. Thank you so much for your time.

Appreciate it. Today we have uh no communications or petitions and that brings us to five uh oral request and this is the portion of the meeting reserved for persons wishing to address the city council on a matter that is not on the agenda. If you wish to address the council you're requested but not required to complete a speaker card. All speakers will be limited to two minutes. Uh and we'll start with in person then online if there are any. Uh the council generally cannot discuss or take action on any items, but uh we can instruct staff accordingly if there are oral requests. So is there anyone who wishes to speak on an item that is not on tonight's agenda? And do we have anyone online?

I see Ken Johnson.

Good evening, Mr. Mayor, members of city council. Ken Johnson, executive director of the Campbell Chamber. Really here just to express gratitude. We held our 30th October Fest this weekend and the magic that happened Friday night into Saturday morning with great thanks to public works who set everything up for us and the Camel Police Department and really in particular Sergeant Bilman for a tremendous job leading that team. On to Saturday where we thank Santa Clair County Fire, the CERT team, police for being out there. Uh we also involved the civic improvement commission, parks and recreation um and other local community organizations to be a part of October Fest. So we did it with about 300 volunteers. Some of you are sitting here. Appreciate your time. And tens of thousands of people who we showed off Campbell to in a very nice way. So uh now we're in the wrap-up mode. We're all pretty exhausted. But now it's about making improvements for next year. So I'll sit down with the chief or one of his design to look at how what we did and how we can make it better. But I just want to express my appreciation for everybody that had a part in making Oktoberfest such a great event.

Thanks. Thank you. Anyone else?

So, we'll close oral requests and go on to council announcements. First, the city is developing our first ever multimmoal plan, ensuring strong connections within Campbell and its neighboring cities to work towards a future where people have a wide range of options for getting around easily, safely, and comfortably. Learn more about the plan and share your input by visiting campbella.gov/multimotal. Next, this Wednesday, October 22nd, there will be a special fundraiser at the Water Tower Kitchen from 11:00 a.m. to 9:00 p.m. to support the Campbell Recreation Youth Scholarship. Mention Campbell Recreation to your server and a portion of your bill will help local kids in need. In addition, through December, 50% of proceeds from Water Tower Kitchen's Beer of the Month fundraiser will also be donated to the scholarship program. Enjoy a fun and safe Halloween in downtown Campbell at the Creepy Crawley trick-or-treating event this Sunday, October 26th, from 4:30 to 6 p.m. Downtown shops and boutiques will welcome little goblins with sweet treats. All are welcome to attend. Next, the 2025 statewide special election is next month. Election day is Tuesday, November 4th, but you can vote early in person at the Campbell Community Center beginning Saturday, November 1st from 9:00 a.m. to 5:00 p.m. You can also vote by mail and drop off ballots at official dropboxes located at the Campbell Community Center or Campbell City Hall. City Hall's dropbox is open 24 hours. For details on early voting and ballot dropoff locations, please visit vote.sincclaircount.gov. This year, the Campbell Veterans Memorial Foundation will host an elegant champagne brunch instead of its usual annual gayla on Saturday, November 8th from 10 a.m. to 12:00 p.m. Tickets are $60 per person. To register and learn more, please visit campell veteransmemorial.org. The Campbell Veterans Memorial Foundation will also host its annual Veterans Day ceremony at Tuesday, November 11th at 9:00 a.m. on the

Orchard Green located at City Hall. For more information, please visit campbell veteransmemorial.org. Finally, the city clerk's office is accepting applications for the Parks and Recreation Commission through Friday, November 28th. Interested residents may apply on the city's website at campellca.gov or by contacting the clerk's office at 4088662117 or by email at clerk's officeca.gov. That will bring us to item seven, which is our consent calendar. Honorable Mayor Bob, did you want to do the close session announcement at this time? Yes, please. Could you report out our close session?

Yes. In close session, the city council unanimously uh voted to authorize my office to pursue appointment of a code enforcement receiver for property at 620 Heritage. Thank you. So, now that brings us to item seven, the consent calendar. These are items that will be considered under one motion and considered by the city council to be routine. There is no separate discussion of these items unless a request is made by a member of city council, city staff, or member of the public. If you wish to speak on the consent calendar, you should ask that the item removed from the consent calendar prior to the time the council votes to approve. Do we uh do we have any council member, staff, or members of the public that would like to pull an item from the consent calendar?

Vice Mayor for I'd like to item uh 7.6. six. Thank you. Anyone else? Okay. Then do we have a motion on item 7.1 through 7.5 and 7.7 through 7.9? So move. I'll second. Move approval of 7.1 through 7.5 7.7 through 7.9. Can we have the role, please? Council member. Hi. Council member Hines. Hi. Council member Skazola. Hi, Vice Mayor Fado. Hi, Mayor Lopez. Hi.

Thank you so much. Uh we now come to item 7.6 and this is approval and authorization to execute a first amendment to the consultant services agreement with Perfin Structures, Inc. in the in the amount of $365,700 with a 10% contingency in the amount of $36,570 for additional construction management. Do we have staff again? Oh, thank you. Good night, mayor and council members. Brian, did you want to I was just gonna actually ask question. They were just

Yes. Thank you. Um I just wanted to first of all, I'm aware of reading the staff report that the money for this is already provided in the measure O funds. It's covered. And um so in your comments I just wondered if you would just sort of reiterate the fact this will include both design as well as construction. And a question that's a question not a statement so much. Uh and also I just want to make sure that the staff report indicates that this will sort of commence around November or so and and run until like June of the following year. And uh is that June deadline sort of a hard deadline or is there flexibility? Will will the um the contract provide for the work to continue beyond that if there's a lot of delays or just wonder if you might summarize a few elements of that. Thank you.

Uh yes. So just to clarify when you say design and construction just so this is for management of the design and construction. So it's to oversee the whole process. So yes, it's all inclusive of both of those items as as well as the cost uh of the construction. Correct. We're we're over Yeah, we're managing how we're spending those funds. Okay. Not just managing, but the cost I mean the actual cost of doing the renovations.

Yeah. So, let me let me let me just jump in. Be clear. This is not the cost of the construction nor the cost of the design. This is for the construction manager to manage that part of the project going forward. that is really phase two of the PD building. Uh and to answer your question about the date, June is the estimated completion date for that. So we've estimated the work that needs to get done and the time allocation for that. If there's a change in that process or any change that we would come back to for additional authorization. What about the actual cost of the construction or the renovation or the remodeling?

That's been budgeted separately. That's not included in this budget item. that's already been allocated and approved by the council and that's already included in the settler budget. That is not this budget. That is not Okay. And so I'm sorry, but this um so that will the the money for the actual construction itself is that also still coming from measure O? Correct. But that's not in the request, right? That's been previously. Okay. So So that is fully off fully covered by measure O. Correct. Thank you. Thank you. So, yeah, I think we're good. Thank you. Um, are there any additional questions from others? Well, I think he was going to give a report.

No, I I thought we answered the question. Did you want to give an addition? Yeah, if the council wants a further report, we can do that. I think in these sort of instances, we just try to answer the question. Thanks so much. Uh, any anyone else? Uh, if not, uh, do we have a, uh, well, I I guess we can see if there's public comment on this item. Do we have anyone in person or online who wishes to speak on this item? If not, do we have a motion for this? I'll move the adoption of item 7.6. Thank you. I'll second. Thank you. Uh, can we have the roll call? Council member By. Hi. Council member Hines. Hi. Council member Skazola. Hi. Vice Mayor Fado. Hi.

Mayor Lopez. Hi. Thank you so much. Thank you to staff for the further information. Item eight is public hearings and introduction of ordinances. And first we will have adoption of the 2025 additions of the California building and fire codes and local amendments. And we will hear uh from community development director Rob Eastwood.

Even Mayor Lopez, council members, Rob, community development director. Uh this is part one of two of your discussion of building codes tonight which should be a lighter lift. Uh every three years the state updates its building codes gives the opportunity for each local jurisdiction to adopt those codes into its ordinance. Also provides an opportunity to adopt minor local amendments uh generally along the lines of addressing health and safety or needs of administrative clarity. Uh the codes before you tonight uh do include adoption of the three-year updated state building code. Does include some minor local amendments that are uh prescribed and allowed under state law. Uh those have to do with uh health and safety. Voluntary home hardening uh is a new component that's in the ordinance and some administrative clarity. Uh the code uh amendments uh recommended before you were proposed both by our building official Bob Lenny who's here as a resource tonight, also by the county fire district that services Campbell. We have fire district staff here tonight. Uh with that uh we recommend the council adopt the ordinance that's before you. Do want to recognize you do have a desk item. Uh the ordinance that was published with the agenda was missing some of the strike line and underlying as part of the conversion into the packet. in your desk item. It shows clearly all the amendments being made. Uh if and when you're ready to make a motion, I would acknowledge that the ordinance in the desk item is the ordinance you're adopting. With that, I'm available for questions as is our district staff. Thank you.

Thank you. Uh do we have do we have questions? Uh friendly council just questions for now. Council By um so uh Rob on packet page 90 um there's uh a summary of the amendments that are being recommended and one of them is uh the requirement. It includes the requirement for a safety inspection of businesses by building inspection staff when a business license is obtained. Could you um talk a little bit about how that impacts the existing business license um process approval?

Yeah, absolutely. Happy to. And I'm going to ask Bob to to fill in any blanks if I don't go far enough. Uh it has been a practice of a service we've been offering for a few years. Uh normally when you obtain a business license, it's for a new business to move in. Most of the times the improvements on site say it's going from a retail to a restaurant do require a tenant improvement. So in most instances there is a building permit required. In some instances a building permit is not required and our inspection staff have have recognized that in those instances uh it often helps the business just to do a quick safety check. See if the fire extinguishers in place, the exits haven't been blocked, uh the fire sprinklers have not been painted over. This is a service we've offered for some years now when I've reached out to the business community. Greatly appreciate it. It's a very low cost. Uh so it's a service that's wrapped into the business license review and again it just requires uh one of the inspection staff to stop by the business, make sure there's nothing life safety apparent that needs to be addressed.

So the impact of staff is within reason. It's not going to be additional staff that's needed to um fulfill that part of the requirement of the of the building code amendment. Is that this time? Yeah. Again, we we've had practice implementing this for a few years and have a good sense of the staff involved. It's not it's not very impactful. And how how many can you estimate how many um inspections that you might do or that on average? On average. I'm gonna ask Bob to answer that question.

I'm Bob. I'm your building official. Good evening. Um, we don't do that many. We do about four a year. And I think what we're trying to do is recognize accessibility problems and maybe problems that as as a new tenant, they may inherit from the old tenant. Um, and really just look at a safety inspection. Once in uh the 20 that we have looked at since we started the program um was a restaurant and they had a lot of things to think about and so they we they did require a TI permit, but that would be the exception. Okay. I just want to ensure that um sometimes with state mandates that we're required to fulfill these requirements, but they don't allow or don't consider that it takes staff to implement that and to do these inspections. So, I want to be sure that um we have adequate staffing to to cover that part of the um

I think if the volume was larger, we might look at it in a different way. But we see this as a service and if our major intent is for life safety is life safety just not just um residents but those that may use the businesses and that's really what we're looking at. Okay. Thank you. Thank you. Do you have any other questions? Uh if you don't have questions at this time we'll open the public hearing. Is there anyone from the public who wishes to speak on this item or online? No. We'll close the public hearing and then come back. Is there any discussion from council members? And if not, is there a motion?

Yeah, I'll propose a motion to the adoption of the 2025 additions to the California public and fire codes and local amendments that titles one five 1718 and the desk item that has been received. I'll second Thank you. We have the roll call, please. Council member By. Hi. Council member Hines. Hi. Council member Skazola. Hi. Vice Mayor Fado. Hi. Mayor Lopez. Hi.

Thank you. City Cler, could you read the title of the ordinance? being an ordinance of the city council of the city of Campbell adopting the 2025 California Building Standards Code and amending titles one general provisions, five business license regulations, 17 fire protection, and 18 building codes and regulations to reflect local amendments. Thank you. Do we have a motion a second to wave further reading? Wave further reading. Second. Thank you. Do we have the role on that? Council member By. Hi. Council member Hines. Hi. Council member Skazola. Hi. Vice Mayor Fado. Hi. Mayor Lopez.

Hi. Thank you so much. That item passes. That brings us to item nine, new business 9.1 is the 2025 building code cycle reach codes options. And we'll hear once again from community development director Robbie Smith.

Okay. Good evening again. Uh unfortunately our environmental program specialist Tiffany Hudson who's before you on these items uh is six night and doesn't sound well at all. Uh so you'll have to accept me as a standin. Uh good news I do have technical support. So again our trillion official Bob Le is with us. Uh we have Anthony Yulo here. Um some Silicon Valley clean energy and we also have online Farhad from TRC. It's a consulting firm that uh consults with um Silicon Valley Energy and jurisdictions on reach codes. Let me dive in. Okay. Okay. Uh tonight for your consideration uh is uh should that the city go forward? Uh tonight is there's no heavy lifting on adoption, but should the city pursue uh do public outreach, investigate further um and come back to you with an ordinance to pursue two reach codes uh that you could put uh into our local building codes. The two reach codes uh the staff is proposing the the city consider is two-way AC which uh will require all new or replacement air conditioning to be capable of heating and cooling. That's generally installation of a heat pump. and two, electric readiness. And what that means, if someone comes in and does a home remodel, kitchen remodel, or remodeling a a closet or a space where there's a water heater, the requirement to be to you could keep those gas appliances. You could exchange gas or put a new gas appliance in, but you would have to make that area electric ready by putting in new conduit and connection to your pan. So, in the future, you could uh connect some future appliances uh and make them electric. Uh why are we here? Uh the council is working on a uh climate action plan at

this moment which prescribes a lot of greenhouse gas reductions. Greenhouse gas reductions are important goal in its um general plan and as part of your uh strategic planning and priorities every year you've listed sustainability in the pursuit of of actions that make us more sustainable and lower our greenhouse gas emissions in Campbell. Uh again uh just to clarify, I know there's been a lot of comments tonight. Uh there's no adoption of an ordinance a study session for you to consider the pros and cons of should we go forward. Uh and we'll come back to you later just to make that clear. Uh for policy context, the council will remember uh you do have reach codes uh specifically an air quality ordinance uh that affects uh new construction today. The key is uh that is for new buildings in Campbell. So, if you're building a new house or you take down so many walls that your house is called a rebuild, you are required uh to build in a way that doesn't have nitrogen oxide emissions. That's an ordinance that was adopted uh in 2024. It it replaced a previous electrification reach code. Uh today, uh is the next step towards electrification and lowering greenhouse gas emissions. If the council would like to go forward, it does look at remodels. So, not not new buildings, but if you're doing a major replacement of appliance or remodel of your house, important for council to consider the landscape has changed in the state of California on how reach codes are adopted. Uh, under AB130, which was signed in law, uh, there is generally a prohibition on new reach codes in California for the next six years. There is an exemption for cities uh that do pursue and adopt a reach code if A it's aligned with your general plan that was approved before 2025. B it allows mixed fuel residential construction consistent with federal law and it incentivizes all electric construction and C is it consistent with the greenhouse gas emission reduction strategy. Uh the council will remember in 2023 you

adopted a new general plan. at this uh contain a whole chapter uh dedicated to sustainability and climate action contains a suite of items uh that looks at improving air quality and lowering greenhouse gas emissions in Campbell does actually specifically call out that the Campbell should consider pursuing uh reach codes to meet those goals. So walking through the two reach codes for your consideration tonight. Uh the first is two-way air conditioning also could be known as the heat. Uh so just a a quick educational I know sometimes folks get confused on how you heat and cool your house. What's a heat pump versus an AC system versus an HVAC system. Uh might be known to members of the audience in the council but I thought just a quick educational part on this. A furnace of course only provides heating. Uh normally these are natural gas but you can have electric heating in your house. Air conditioning separately only provides uh space or whole house air cooling. Uh, a system normally these days in most modern homes that combines the two is an HVAC system. Uh, it's usually one system that uses the same ducts and the same uh the same infrastructure in the house to deliver the air, the heat or cooling. Uh, oftentime HVAC system most times uh the heating is provided by natural gas. A heat pump which which is before consideration today as uh the first reach code is is a bit different. Uh it does provide heating and cooling. So it's it's similar to a normal HVAC system. Uh two key differences uh one is it's all electric doesn't use natural gas and two is uh in the process of AC um generation there is heat that's generated. So it transfers that heat uh into using it to heat the house. So it's a much more efficient way to heat a house versus having a separate furnace or a separate heating system. some some background. Heat pumps are very popular and according to statistics

uh they've uh outsold um uh furnaces uh since 2021. So most people are buying them in place of their furnaces. Um and generally the the benefits if you buy heat pump they're more energy efficient. Again you get a two for one uh effort with your AC system and heat. Uh they use clean energy um and they usually save cost over time. So the policy uh concept that's before you uh to consider and again the the discussion for council should staff pursue this further and bring an ordinance back would be if a homeowner or someone homes a house comes in and wants to install a new AC or replace their AC they would have two options. Uh option one would be instead of an air conditioning unit to install a heat which would provide both heating and cooling instead of the AC system. There is a second option if someone only wants to install AC and not a heat pump. Uh staff has recommended in consultation with our uh technical consultants uh that they could install the AC but have make it energy efficient to the point where it's as energy efficient as a heat pump. So you could do duct work insulation uh but you would not have to do a heat pump. You just have to have a more energy efficient system. Under option one, there's no requirement that you would have to remove your gas furnace. You could keep it. uh the heat come pump could work in tandem with it. One could be a backup uh but again it's we think believe it's a more efficient way to provide heat but there is no requirement to remove any gas from this uh most important consideration. I know a lot there's a lot of folks in the audience that probably have concerns about this and I'm being transparent to the council and this is a key consideration. What is the cost of adopting this reach code? Generally the heat pumps do cost more than standalone AC systems. So on rough average, it's about $2,000 more. Uh in consultation with Silicon Valley Clean Energy, and our representative can speak to it more, they do have a consistent program, and

I've talked uh with with Tony, and there's a lot of funds available where they will offer a rebate to any homeowner for the installation costs up to $2,500 off that heat pump. So that that cost will be rebated if you're Silicon Valley clean energy client. In addition, uh heat pumps are much more energy efficient. So over time, you will save money versus a standalone AC system. On general, uh homeowners would save about $300 per year. So advertised over five, 10 plus years. Uh the cost even an installation without a rebate would be provided back to the homeowner. Long-term uh benefits over time, life cycle costs up to $10,000. uh if a homeowner under the reach code if adopted pursued only the AC system with the energy efficiency measures generally that would cost more than putting the heat. So, of those two options we presented, the option two would actually cost more and I'm not sure if there's rebates available for that. Uh, two key factors. One of the key things uh why staff is proposing this today consistent with our sustainability goals uh by being more energy efficient and using electricity. On average, residents can reduce their greenhouse gas emissions by 25 to 33% using a heat pump. And again, uh, part of this is future proofing or are having homeowners ready to comply with, uh, back rules, the area air quality management district rules, which phase out, uh, natural gas heaters and water heaters for the next couple years. So, folks will be ready with a heat pump rather than scrambling to buy some sort of new natural gas furnace in the future when those rules come into play. Uh, there are exemptions. uh if the panel capacity is insufficient uh then will not be required to put in a heat pump. Uh if the heat pump can't meet both the heating and cooling demand that's the whole purpose then you will not be required to put in the heat pump.

Uh there's also alternative compliance if someone selects option two for the duct work on the air conditioning and any applicable exceptions under the state codes also also apply. Uh the second policy uh reach code before you tonight is electric readiness. Uh for policy context again today if you're building a new home in Campbell the requirement is you have no nitrogen oxide emitting from the building. So no no new gas appliances. Uh it doesn't apply if you do a remodel to your house and the proposed electric readiness code does start to dip into people who do kitchen remodels or major remodels to their house to try and get them to start to move towards using electricity. Uh the main takeaway here is that when you're doing a major remodel to your kitchen or to a space where you have appliances, you can keep those gas appliances. You can install a new gas appliance, but you would have to put in the electric wiring to allow for a future electric appliance. Uh generally this installs uh includes installing a conduit from the main service panel and providing this appropriately sized receptacle in the space. Some examples include if you're doing a kitchen remodel, uh you would upgrade your 125 volt receptacle and put in a 240 volt that would handle an electric um cooking range in the future. Uh equivalently, if you're doing a major remodel of a kitchen or a space where you have a dryer or water heater, uh the requirement will be to pre-wire or put that that same 240 volt system in at the time you're doing. There are proposed exemptions. Uh if it's safety repair necessary to be done, uh that would be exempt. A project where you don't need a permit, say it's not even a full remodel, that wouldn't wouldn't be required. Uh again, where you need more panel capacity, um and many folks have gone into this, you will not be required to go through this. Uh upgrading your panel goes through a

whole separate process. PG& that can take delay. Uh so if it does trigger that panel upgrade, that would be required. mobile homes, manufactured homes, factory built homes are exempt, emergency housing exempt, and those ADUs that are converted uh pursuant to government. Uh there are some more costs for putting in the pre-wiring uh can run up to $1,000 for adding conduit. Typically though, uh if someone's doing a major remodel to their kitchen or their space, it's often tens to 20 to thousands. Oftentimes, they are opening up walls and they're are doing work anyways on electricity. Many of these costs are absorbed into the work already that's being done as part of our uh some acknowledgements to council on regional coordination and next steps. Uh we have been working closely with SBCE on this. I know they've been consulting with other client cities such as Sunnyville and Mountain View. Uh we do also have technical support from TRC and we have a gentleman online who can provide some technical assistance to this. Uh again, one of the main uh purposes here is to align Campbell and future proof its residents to be ready for the air district rules which start in 2027 and 2029 uh that roll out the ability to buy new gas, natural furnaces, water heaters. Um we've been courting with these agencies. Next steps uh so tonight uh the decision for council is is not adoption of ordinance. It's should uh we pursue uh next steps if council is favorable to looking into this uh should staff go forward on doing public outreach, draft an ordinance and come back. Uh an option if you do have questions, concerns tonight, you could ask staff to bring those back if we can't answer those tonight for your consideration and adoption. Uh or council could elect not to move forward with the change codes. One thing to keep in mind, as I mentioned, AB130 is a new state law that

requires that the state uh building standards commission review these reach codes and determine if you're meeting the exemptions. Uh it's brand new. Uh our building officials been meeting with the building standards commission to try and understand their process. Uh we're not the first city to go down this road. There's a few cities that are starting to submit their codes. We will continue to track that process uh to make sure we understand that there's no speed bumps or or issues ahead and we'll report back if the council is favorable to bringing back an ordinance for each codes. Uh with that, I'm available for questions as is Bob uh Tony from SBCE and our technical assistant from TRC. Thank you.

Thanks so much. Let's start with questions from the council. Just questions from now. Do we have let's council skis? Yes, I have a few questions and I would like to ask uh Tony from SVCE if I can on a couple of these questions. Um so we're getting a lot of uh comments in public various things. One of which I see repeated quite often is planes are $50,000 to $100,000 extra expense with these reach codes. And uh so I'm kind of curious where does this rand random seemingly baseless number come from. Can you help dispel this myth because I see no evidence of that number being accurate?

Uh yes, it's hard to for me to understand where that number would come from as as well. So I'm sorry to disappoint you. Um but uh certainly the incremental cost of installing a heat pump in the first instance uh or just a couple thousand dollars and the rebate generally covers that difference. Um because again we're we're not comparing the full cost. We're comparing the cost of an air conditioner versus the cost of a two-way air conditioner.

Um so that's not a significant cost there. Similarly on the electric readiness um rules we're we're talking about and only in a context of a remodel of a structure and clearly in this day and age those are always five digits if not six um it's a relatively minor cost to to run another single electrical line. The one opportunity where there could be a major cost increase would be if electrification would require the upsizing of a service of a home and as would pointed out that's that's an exemption then then you don't have to do it if that does require that. So there's no feasible way that this would cause you to have to get a service upgrade and certainly pursuing a service upgrade could complicate things and wind up with lots of costs but that is not applicable to either of the ideas being suggested here. Great. Um, yes. Another So, essentially what I'm hearing is that the it's relatively speaking the re rebates if you take advantage of them from SBCE, you're essentially going to be paying relatively the same amount of money. Uh, like if you go for the heat pump versus replacing a water heater or something like that. Um, and maybe you can uh help me understand it uh by if you still want a gas stove, you can still have the gas stove, but you're going to change the panel and the cost of that. And then again, where uh if you can be specific on what SVCE can help you if you take advantage of these rebates?

Sure. As as Miso mentioned, there's a $2,500 rebate associated with the heat pumps. So, um, could you get a really cheap bad air conditioner for way less than an excellent heat pump? Probably, but then you're not really comparing apples to apples. Um, if you're we're seeing that the that rebate can bridge that gap in most instances. Similarly, for the electric readiness code, our rebate is $500 per circuit that you're extending. And if you are in the midst of another remodeling job that that should be more than adequate to cover adding a circuit into a greater project. Um so in both instances um it should be relatively costneutral based on rebates. I mentioned our rebate but there are other rebates available as well. State currently has a rebate. Sometimes there's regional entities as well but ours is has been proven to be a little more long-lasting and stable than some of the others. Um, I wanted to just say you mentioned water heating. I want to just make sure everyone understands these rules have nothing to do with

water heating. It's heat pump HVAC units that are in discussion. Uh, the only thing is the electric readiness. If you're looking at a water pump, a water heater location, it would ultimately facilitate the eventual replacement. But in no instance do either of the proposed rules say anything about excluding gas appliances or or actually eliminate the ability of someone to have a gas appliance if that's what they Thank you very much. Appreciate it. Thank you. Do you have other questions for the council? I have a question for Rob. So what other cities in Santa Clair County have adopted this um proposal?

One more time. What other cities in Santa CL County have adopted this? Yeah, that's probably that might be a better question for T. I'll tell you I've known uh and this is reported by by Tony and he might be able to more information, but both Mountain View and Sunnyville have gone forward with their ordinances. I think they've gone into first adoption and are waiting the second reading. They have adopted the ordinances.

And you mentioned that this is a new process and that it has to get approved by the by the state. what's the guarantee that they're going to um agree with our ordinance adoption? Um I mean, we we've gone down that road with the housing element several times and um got kicked back. It just seems like um there there's no guarantee that it's might be a lot of work and no guarantee at the end of it that we're going to be in compliance. Can can you speak to that a little bit?

I Yeah, I couldn't stand before you and say that. I mean, this is this is a new process. The bill was signed in the law two months ago, three months ago, and and Bob's been in um webinars with the building standards commission. This is a bit these are new muscles for them. They're usually building code folks to look at technical standards. So looking at general plans and compliance is is a new thing. I've looked at the memos they've issued and they've given good guidance to to make sure when we submit we have a clear line between what your general plan says and what the guidance says. I've said based on and just comparing other cities and hearing from from Tony, our our general plan is pretty specific about um having greenhouse gas reductions and even calling out policies on reach codes. So, we do we do think we have a strong case uh that this meets that exemption. There's no way I could stand before you today and say that they absolutely will approve it. And so part of that is I think um if if council would like us to go forward uh we'll conduct the outreach in the orange prep but we'll also watch the process with the specifically the cities ahead of us Mountain View and Sunnyville and advise back when we get an audience back to you on what we know about that.

Okay. And it also seems like this would be this is going to be a heavy lift for our staff. We're pretty pretty m maxed out I think um on what the community development department is trying to achieve. Um and so you know what what is your opinion as far as priority of this issue over other issues such as um uh updating our neighborhood um uh neighborhood area plans to be consistent with our our municipal code and our general plan. It just seems like something's got to give if we're going to take this on. Something's something's got to

Yeah, the work plan is long and deep and the staffing is limited. There's no way I can tell you today that there there's a free lunch. Uh I'd say there's two parts of this and I don't want to go too deep into the stampling decisions. Our environmental program specialist would carry most of this and I think it's in line with the work she's doing on the climate action plan and multimotal plan on the outreach and the prep of the of the of the staff reports. We'll need some technical report on our support on our code writers who are very busy to your point council member with many many codes we need to update. Uh I've acknowledged in here that we probably would need up to six months to come back to you. We would just have to juggle uh this in a way that doesn't impact any other headquarters.

Okay. Thank you. Thank you. Any other questions from council? Um Rob, I just have a couple. you've um touched on this and and I I I think it's clear, but just just to be really crystal clear, some of the things that I've heard um first off, what's the process tonight? And and sorry if you're repeating yourself, are we voting on an ordinance? Are we passing this policy?

No, I mean to make it clear in the record to the council and the members of the audience, there's uh no adoption of Morenstein. I'd say there's three options before you. Uh, one is um authorize the staff to go forward with the work and bring it back to you. Uh, two would be vote not to authorize to go forward and you know council is not favorable. We want to know that because there's a staffing commitment to this. Three would be, you know, if if you're sort of on the bubble, you have concerns, you might want to acknowledge go forward, but but put in the record things you really need to find out before you come back and

thank you. And um just another clarification um if council if council does move forward with saying that's looking you know whatever that process looks like and then down the line an ordinance is introduced based off what you're presenting here would residents have to convert their homes to all electric.

No only in the instance again this is on the books today if you re if you of course demolish your house and build a new house. Uh, yes, there's all electric. If there's thresholds you took down, I'm I'm saying three4s of the walls in your house and took the roof off and called a new house. But there's no requirement. Uh, if you're doing a remodel or taking out your gas appliance, put a new one in, that there's a mandate that you electronize. A and if an ordinance along the lines of what's being presented here is eventually adopted, are are we, the city of Campbell allowed to then make more money? Is this a new income stream? Is this a new re revenue stream for the city from the

I don't anticipate that question. I can't Yeah, I can't. I mean, of course, if you come in and pay for a service, it pays for our staff. There's there's we don't we don't make money off of this. The only services we provide are the fees for staff to plan, check, and review. This isn't um this isn't a tax measure. Yeah. The report said there wasn't any additional I'm I'm I I think these things have been touched on. I'm just clarifying for the record and I just want to confirm with our city attorney Bill Sulligman there there are laws governing what municipalities can charge and uh for for fees. Is that right?

Yes. The general rule is you can't charge more than the actual cost of providing the service.

Great. Thank you. Um those are all my questions just for clarification for now. Yeah. Vice Mayor Fat in answering Council Member By's question, you referred to the environmental specialist. My understanding she is a temporary employee and her position is only funded for a short time. The council authorized it with respect to clean um to clean energy. Um but uh her term is set to expire and funding as far as I know is not available for that position to continue. Uh she yeah the original the position is is temporary. Uh it was extended a year beyond uh beyond its original anticipation. Uh the work she's working on has continued. Uh the climate action plan has taken a bit longer than we thought. Uh she's taken over management of the multimodal plan given limited staffing both in community development and public works. uh as part of the budget discussion uh we would have to consider and present to you the option of considering to fund her position to manage this effort. My anticipation and again we're in fiscal year 26 uh again that we will be back to you in six months. Again that position is budgeted and funded through the end of fiscal year 26 which is roughly nine months. So but still within this budget year to which we have budgeted staff. Thank you. With that, we'll go to public comment. And uh we do have a number of speaker cards. You're welcome to fill out a speaker card if you'd still like to speak. And we'll we'll do um in person before going to online. I'll call out a few names and you can either be ready or or come up if if you'd like if that makes it easier. Um again, just a reminder, we'll have uh two minutes. Uh you're not obligated to use all of your two minutes. Um but uh we do welcome your comments. So, first Carl San Miguel, uh, and I I apologize if if I misread any of the names, Michael Lella,

then Neil Collins, and then Rebecca Seldon. We'll start with Carl.

You mind turning on your mic?

Okay, there you go. Not used to that one. Anyhow, um I come before you to recommend that you not adopt the reach code. And the reach code requirement is like requiring all automobiles to convert to hydrogen fuel. The capacity to serve all the residents of Campbell is not there, nor will it be affordable. This will drive the price of PG& rates further up and will still be subject to brownouts and blackouts. This will be problematic for the cooking, cleaning, heating, cooling, or the storage of frozen foods. Not to mention the need for constant electricity for the chronic care patients such as paraplegic. There there are brownouts. Um can if there are brownouts, can you imagine having to bathe only in cold water? It might be tolerable in the summer but so uncomfortable in the winter. Uh the cost of living will drastically increase such as condominions and town houses that have a community water heater or heating system. If forced to convert, this would drive the price of the HO monthly payments to unbearable amounts that ends up pricing homeowners out of their homes. Can you imagine a homeowner qualifying for a home loan with a debt to income ratio of 40% calculating the HOA payment of $400 per month and then it goes over $1,000 per month? Uh good luck trying to sell that home with the high cost of HOA monthly pays. The sellers will take a big hit on the values of their homes. Additionally, this will cause security problems for the Bay Area. Uh with the brown outs and blackouts of PG& Pen will have to import power from outside the state which will compound the problem and force higher rates again. Uh please uh show that u you care about your citizens and Campbell by not engaging the reach code in Campbell until PG& can prove they have the capacity to serve all the clients with affordable rates. I

conclude my comments. Thank you. Thank you very much. Uh Michael Michael.

Good evening, Mr. Mayor and distinguished members of the council. My name is Michael Estella. I live over on Third Street in Hamilton Downs. I'm the president of the HOA there. It has 84 buildings with 336 uh families living there. Now, uh, I I know that I was encouraged a little bit by the presentation tonight, but I do want to talk about the fiscal impact of these things, especially to my community. See, I have a similar challenge that you guys have in that I have to vote on things that require payment of money, right? We have a budget uh conversation coming up this month, as a matter of fact, to talk about HOA, HOA dues, things like that. Recently, there was a project called SB 326, which caused which cost our uh our community about $4 million to do uh along with another four million uh for the roofs that had to be done. That's 25 grand per unit, like per family. Right now, myself, my wife and I, no problem writing that check. But in our community, there happens to be a bunch of people who are on fixed in incomes, right? So, I have to balance out how I think about all of these things, especially when I'm considering raising budgets or raising dues or uh putting in special assessments. Now, you talked about the the baseless costs of the uh of doing this and and and I understand that there may be some room to work with this, but uh because our buildings are from 1971, we'll definitely need to upgrade the wiring for all of them, all 85. So, let's call that about 50 grand per bill, you know, 50 grand per house. Then, uh, I know that we talked about the $2,500 rebate, uh, to, you know, to get the new heat pump or something like that. Um, but it's still going to cost people 15 grand uh to to actually

upgrade that. Right now, when we're replacing the electric, I know we're focusing a lot. There we go. That's it. Thank you. Yeah, no problem. Neil Collins and then Rebecca Seldon after that, followed by Doug Goss. What was that button? The green one here. Turned on. Yeah, it's on.

Just Okay. All right. Well, good evening, honorable mayor and city council. My name is Neil Collins. I'm the CEO of the Santa Clara County Association Realtors. Um, and great to see a lot of familiar faces here. Some of you may know my my roots run deep. I used to have a business in downtown. I was president of the business association. I was chamber CEO. And and speaking of of chambers, we saw Ken speak earlier today. You guys are in good hands. He's he's a good guy. Um tonight I'm here to speak against the staff recommendation mandating heat pumps. It should be a homeowner's choice and not a mandate. Um we just heard back there many of the homes are historical in nature here in Campbell. And I don't think there's going to be enough rebate dollars to help offset those. And there's just so many hidden costs. Remodels are already challenging enough. Navigating through contractors, existing building codes, permits, inspections, state and local laws. We just don't need one more level of complication. Not to mention all the added expenses to making a home all electric ready. The proposal will confuse homeowners even more, and it is going to consume precious staff time, which I heard a couple people address up here. A similar proposal in San Jose uh failed to pass just a few weeks ago. um if we really want to uh incentivize more people to put in heat pumps, we're going to have to provide more incentives and more dollars. Um it's not don't do it through mandates. So, thank you very much.

Thank you, Rebecca Seldon. Good evening, Mayor and Council. I'm opposed to both the natural gas ban and the proposed reach code. The Bay Area Air Quality Management District is implementing a natural gas ban January 1st, 2027. The ban and the reach code are not financially realistic for any homeowner, especially our senior groups and our landlords. Many of our seniors are on fixed incomes and on a budget. Most have plans to use their assets in other ways than to modify their home to all electric when an appliance fails. Seniors need their assets for senior living facilities or inhome health care as these costs are not covered by typical health insurance. The repercussions of the gas span in the reach code was never a thought in any senior's life plan. These mandates are harmful to all homeowners. Furthermore, imagine if a property is a rental and the water heater goes out on January 2nd of 2027. Tenants will be h will need to be moved to a property of like kind that has hot water. Permits are required until permits are granted. The homeowner will need to find a contractor that will take time to find and the permit process will take time as well. What's the wait time for the permits currently? Is the city prepared for this? These mandates will cause chaos for homeowners and tenants and especially our senior community and possibly even the city staff. Additionally, regarding the reach code,

which I oppose, is written to prevent electric air conditioning while the Bay Area Air Quality Management District is mandating electric appliances. And if the reach code passes, then the city of Campbell will only allow a resident to add a heat pump, which costs more than an air conditioning unit. Thanks so much. We have Doug Goss, then Enrique, and then Anthony Ulo.

Good evening, mayor and council members. My name is Doug Goss. I'm a realtor. I'm a pres I'm the president of the Santa Clair County Association of Realtors. I urge you to not move forward with this proposed reach code direction. As Neil mentioned, the city of San Jose just considered and rejected a nearly identical measure because it was costly, confusing, and provided little environmental benefit. Converting older homes in Campbell to all electric can cost tens of thousands of dollars, requiring full electrical service upgrades, rewiring, and new duct work. Thank you for clarifying that there may be an exemption if a service panel is uh required because that's major expense and cause huge delays. As previously mentioned, the state of California has already enacted AB130, which as of October 1st places a six-year moratorum on new or more restrictive residential reach codes. I urge the council to to respect the state law and keep the clear purpose to keep housing more affordable, consistent, and attainable for all Californians. I stand for private property rights and encourage you to incentivize homeowners to voluntarily make these upgrades rather than mandate them using narrow using a narrow exemption to the law and its overall intent which may certainly be challenged. Let's follow San Jose's lead, respect the state's intent, protect affordability, and focus on voluntary incentives instead of costly mandates. Thank you.

Thank you, M. and we we'll have Tony and then uh W Chin Hunt.

Good evening, mayor and city council. I'm Enrique Navaro Donlin, part of the government affairs team with the Santa Clara County Association of Realtors representing 6,000 plus members. Environmental goals and objectives are laudable, but this proposed mandate is not. Voluntary electrification is just fine, but mandatory electrification is unwarranted and financially devastating. If the goal is full electrification, this isn't the way to do it. the incremental approach is not in the best interest of your residents. And you should tell them that the ultimate goal is full electrification. You should publicly debate this goal, publicly notice it, and then give the residents plenty of time to save money and make plans for this transition at least a decade, and then consider implementing it. This incremental approach lacks transparency, will ultimately cost twice as much as electrifying everything at once. AB130 was supposed to prohibit the consideration of new reach codes starting October 1st of this year, but trying to squeeze this in now is not transparent. Most of the costs involved with electrifying a home are not from the appliances but from the wiring, the panel upgrade, transformer upgrades if necessary, and countless other unforeseen issues that get uncovered along the way after initiating such a project. Uh this reach code would frontload too many expenses too fast and all the residents without consideration for ability to pay, especially for those on fixed incomes. The limited grants that exist to enable electric transitions are too few and too small to cover the enormous price tags of the work involved, which for a pre-190s home, the majority of our housing stock will reach at least $50,000 to include the appliances. The San Jose City Council just addressed this identical reach code last month and rejected it precisely because of cost concerns. The Bay AQMD rules prohibiting gas, water, heaters, and furnaces are cited in the staff report as a reason to implement this reach code. However, there is widespread opposition to these rules as well precisely because of the cost concerns and complications I just mentioned. Uh we as an association ask you to reject this reach code and don't consider it. Thank you.

Thank you.

Mayor Lopez, members of the council, thanks for welcoming me back. I wanted to start by just really complimenting uh both the level of of discussion you've had already with your questions as well as just the legacy of leadership that Campbell's been offering in the past several years on this issue. It's really a pleasure to work with Tiffany Hudson and Robbie Eastwood. Um you have some really fine people as well as director Skazola on our board is a very important part of our board and we really appreciate him. I wanted to just remind everyone in the room that the question as Rob described is tonight is shall there be further discussion of this. This is not a decision tonight on the actual code. Secondly, I wanted to say there appears to be a major amount of misinformation that has been uh spread to folks. As Rob made clear, this is not about an all-electric home. This is a very targeted relatively surgical uh requirement that takes advantage of some opportunities that exist while undergoing work on a home. It doesn't initiate anything um without someone starting this a project. And lastly, I wanted to say this is these codes are a common sense approach. This is sort of the lowhanging fruit of of greenhouse gas reductions in existing buildings. It's not at all what some of the speakers have been talking about. And the last speaker respectfully particular talked about transformers and upgrades and as I as mentioned earlier in response to the question those are specifically exempted by the reach codes that have been suggested here. So um I also wanted to since I have 24 seconds left address a speaker mentioned brownouts in electrical supply. There is proven in the last several years to be a very adequate supply of electricity. We haven't had brownouts or blackouts in the state in years. The influx of

batteries has been tremendous. And lastly, um AB130 provides this exact exemption um for a reason. Thank you. I'll be happy to answer any future questions that you have as well. Thank you very much. Uh we have W. Gene Hunt. After that, Kelly Hunt, Sundar Swami, Nathan, and Joe Sperry.

Mayor and City Council, thank you for having me. My name is Jean Hunt and some of you may recognize me from the Campbell Press. I put out a monthly little uh article in there. Uh I speak in opposition to you to providing any direction to your planning department on this reach code idea. Uh basically there's a lot of uh questions about whether or not the Bay Area Air Quality Management District's rules will actually go into effect. They're still working on how to uh make the changes to amend their plan right now. And in Southern California, their air quality district, they just rejected the whole idea also. And it part of the reason they rejected it because they got a letter from the US uh central district of California, the AG there. He said that there may be litigation that develops if in fact South Coast did uh went ahead with their Bay Area or with their air air quality management rules. So we may see that same situation here locally. I'm opposed to the idea of the city of Campbell taking more time and money spent on something that they may end up actually not coming to fruition. Why not wait and see how it plays out? has been has been noted already. The city of San Jose has already rejected the idea of moving forward with these reach codes. The state even though there are exe exemptions, they have also said they want to put a moratorum on these things. So I would encourage the city of Campbell to take a cautionary and and slow down this rush towards implementing these kind of things. Last thing I'll say going to the question about the uh baseless monies that were that you may have heard about that came from at least in our world in the real estate world. We did surveys when we first heard about this and we did it we did surveys of

contractors to find out what it would cost for them to do the things that were required by the Bay Area Quality Management District.

Thank you very much Kelly and Sundar. Good evening, Mayor Lopez and council members. And hello again, Vice Mayor. Nice to see you again. Um, I'm here to express my opposition for the pursuit of this reach code. Just to piggy dock on what Gan was just talking about, we I I'm been a realtor in the I've been in the real estate industry for 45 years and I sit on the board of directors at Santa Clair County Association of Realtors. We did a lot of research when uh BAA QMD came out with their mandate for nine counties and we wanted to help owner homeowners understand what is it really going to cost you in order to do these things that are rolling out by themselves. This particular reach code by itself may not seem all that ominous, but when you layer it on top of all the other mandates that are taking place, um it is very ominous to homeowners and it's very expensive. As mentioned, we have a lot of older homes in Campbell, which you're all well aware of, and it is going to cost a lot of money to retrofit those. If your water heater goes out after 2020, January 2027, and you've got to update that, you're not going to update your service panel for just an electric water heater. You're going to take into account, well, now I also have to have the heat pump, and then I have to worry about if my HVAC goes out in 2029, I have to do the heat pump. The other thing too to remember is that this is going to affect the sales process as well. There's already discussion of making this a point of sale mandate. Imagine any one of you or any of us in here trying to sell our home and you have to pay to upgrade your house to not only handle this particular reach code, but all the reach codes and mandates that have been we are starting to see forced down homeowners throats and they just can't afford to do it. Again, there's a lot of people that are

on low income, fixed income. They can barely afford to live here, let alone fork out the amount of money that was looked into by talking to contractors, plumbers, electricians, not alone, not even taking into account the amount of time it takes to replace a water heater once this all goes into. Thank you. Thank you, Sundar. Then Jose Barry, followed by uh Sudter.

Hello, mayor and council members. My name is Sundra Swaminatan. I'm here to speak against the overregulation in the name of environmental sustainability. We heard about the historic homes but this will affect even the newer homes and all because my house is about 7 years old and I did uh check something before couple of years to kind of change to heat pump and all some of the costs that were mentioned here maybe the initial cost but the actual cost when we kind of get the right people and get the right appliances and all that it's not the same number and uh again I appreciate all the work that has been done by the team and uh we will have a cascading impact and these cost will hit us when we are not ready and something goes down suddenly and we have to make a decision of replacing that then we will have the cascading impact of like going through this that and all that. I do understand that you are providing lot of exemptions and all but uh proving that to the city members that are enforcing all these policies the burden will be on us and it will be very very hard for us even just going through a permit and getting a simple thing that is written in the code. We know how hard it is to kind of get those things done. So whatever that's mentioned here this is not going to be a kind of happy path or a easy thing. So my request is please leave it as is and allow us to make the decision when needed. We do understand these things. Most of the Campbell residents are well educated and we all understand the environmental impacts. So please allow us to make those decisions. Thank you so much.

Thank you so much just bear. Okay. Thank you. Uh next I think it's Don Sudter and followed by uh Miles Bronte.

Mayor and city council. Thank you, um, Mayor Lopez for bringing up the issue about f fees. I hadn't even considered that. And in addition to all the other expenses we've heard about, there are those fees. There will probably also be property tax increases when the value of your home raises when you have to add these extra appliances. I've known several people in this area who've had to use reverse mortgages for their homes. There's a lot of people here on limited incomes, and that is probably not a good option to have to replace things at such a high cost. I've been here in Campbell for 37 years. I've been in my home for 35 and I just retired. So, I'm one of those seniors who will be soon living on a fixed income and this the thought of having to do these upgrades and at this expense is not in my budget. Um, I also want to remind you we all went to fourth grade high science and CO2 is used by trees to create oxygen. So, all of this discussion about greenhouse gases being bad, they're not bad. We need them in our environment. and the and using a euphemism like greenhouse gas as a resolution concept is absolutely ridiculous. This whole idea of the green scam in the state of California and in the whole United States is out of control and we need to stop it. This is not a reach plan. This is an overreach plan and I applaud every one of you who've been listening so intently and for you for bringing up the idea. We have a lot of other higher priorities and this should not be one of them. So, thank you very much for your consideration.

Thanks so much and I apologize again. ask you to oppose and do not um do this as an initiative. Thank you. Thank you. Um and I apologize again if I'm misering the name. Um Miles Ferrante followed by Stephanie Ligsy followed by Joel Toller. Um and I do want to ask the the audience thank you all for being um respectful. So far we do ask you to refrain from applauding or cheering or booing or hissing as the case may be. Just out of respect for all speakers. Thank you. Do we have a Miles Uh perhaps they stepped out. I'll hold on for a second. Uh Stephanie,

good evening, mayor and city council. My name is Stephanie Ligseay and I'm a realtor who not only sells in Campbell, but I have many friends and family who live in Campbell and I represent those of them who could not be here tonight. I urge you to vote no to have further conversations on this topic. These reach codes will be a significant financial burden to all of those affected. Even more so to residents with fixed incomes where this could be financially devastating. You heard it said that the cost of upgrading a panel or electrical wiring could be as little as $1,000. Just to give you context, I upgraded my knob and tube wiring to ROMX in 2000 for my 1937 built home. That's a,000 square feet. The cost was $10,000 at that time. I can tell you right now that it is more than that. I also had a client who had to upgrade their electrical panel in 2016. The cost at that time was $12,000. Again, the cost now would be way more than that 9 years later. Another thing I heard was that remodels are already costing homeowners five to six figures. So, what's a little more? Are you kidding me? A little more can be devastating to many homeowners. I know it would be for me. It is not his place to designate what is and is not financially viable for a resident. This reach code represents an overreach of local government. You are banning an already electric AC unit to force people to purchase an electric heat pump. If you want to have more, convert to electric. You should incentivize your residents. Don't penalize them for what could already be financially strapped. This is not in the best interest of your constituents. There's already a moratorum from the state that has on reach codes like this one. This is in effect as of October 21st. If I'm not mistaken, today's October 21st. Stop this insanity. Please vote no to have

this going forward. Thank you. Thank you, Jill Tuller. Then Anna Maria Russo, then Sandy Six. Do I have to push? No, you're good.

I'm good. Okay. Hi. Thank you for hearing me, Mayor Council. I want to tell you a little story. Over the weekend, I was visiting a listing at a mobile home park. And I know I heard it said that mobile homes would be excluded or whatever for now. I was walking through the community to get to know the community and there was another woman, an older woman pushing her um walker. I stopped to talk to her because that's what we do. She said to me, "I don't have a phone. Can you help me?" I had my phone in my hand. I was taking notes. I said, "Sure. What can I help you with? My water heater has been out for two weeks." I said, "Yes, let me help you." I called my GC, reached out to our plumber. By the end of the day, she had hot water. Okay. But what if that had been her heater and it was wintertime and she had no phone and we had to get her hooked up to a heat pump because now it is from gas to electric or if it's 110 10 degrees outside and we have to we can't get her a AC unit, we have to go to a heat pump. And this is this is very this is a this is a whole thing. These people and and she's a little old lady who gets social security and a very small pension. It's just not feasible. And manufactured homes are exempted right now, but it won't be in the big picture in the long term. I've seen many things that said, "Oh, yes, it's exempted right now, but it then it eventually it's everybody." So, I urge you to please Consider all the things you've heard

from us and think about those of us who are going to be on fixed incomes if we're not already and 80 years old. Thank you. Anna Maria Russo followed by Sandy.

Good evening, Mayor Lopez and council members. My name is Anna Maria Russo. I am here to oppose the Campbell Reach Code. As a resident of Santa Clara County and a local realer, I understand the magnitude of mandating Campbell residents to upgrade their AC unit to a heat pump can be financially devastating. As a resident that has done remodeling on homes that I've sold and my own residents, once you open the wall, you have no idea what's inside. and it becomes a bigger project than you ever imagined. So, um, with the high cost of living here, the high cost of buying food, the high cost of transportation, why are we going to put our residents through another thing that they have to worry about and find financial means for? Let's cut this off at the quick and let's be smart and help people and take on some of the major things that we need to take on instead of mandating our residents to do something that's going to financially devastate a lot of them. Thank you.

Thank you, Sandy.

And after that, it'll be Dr. James Delish.

Good evening. Thanks for your time tonight. I'm just going to speak from the heart. Um, we don't need anybody else telling us what to do in our home or what we can and can't put in there. I mean, with the electrification mandate, that's bad enough, but one more thing. What's the next thing? Just let us, you know, make it our choice instead of y'all telling us what we can do in our home. So that's that's the biggest issue is, you know, talking to friends, they're like, how can they how can they mandate this? How can they tell us one more thing we can't do in our home that we have to put this heat pump in and not just replace it. So that's my biggest issue is is uh telling us what we can do in our homes. Um, but I do have a story about my mother-in-law's property when we sold it. I mean, it's one of those places electric was so outdated. You couldn't have the oven and the microwave on and two lights in the kitchen on or it would blow. So, we had to replace it. It took us over four weeks to get P Gen just to be able to come out and and uh to replace it and then the cost associated with that. So to be a to have to do the electrification mandate and you know worry about the heat pump and all the extra um expenses with that it's going to be way too cost prohibitive. So I implore you to vote no against the reach code. Thank you.

Thank you. Um and before our next speaker just so you can all see this card was submitted without a name. There's no shame if you think this might have been you. But if we get to the end and you think uh I singled you out didn't call on you uh feel free to uh come up. Not trying to skip over anyone. But with that, we'll go to Dr. James Dill, then Laura Welch, and then uh Carl Lee. And good evening, Mr. Mayor, council people. Uh I'm Dr. James Dill. I'm a realtor, broker, and I'm a veteran. Sorry, could we have the light on? Oh, I have one minute left. Okay. No. Uh we'll we'll start over. I'm sorry about that.

I'm sorry. Good evening. I'm Dr. James Dill and I'm a realtor, a broker, and also a veteran. And I'm one of those people who live in a manufactured homes. And my clients are generally the senior or the mature uh individuals that we try to sell homes to them in this community. And I see this is nothing but another burden of cost and the effects of it. And from what we've heard earlier from our representatives that it doesn't appear and I do not definitely don't want to say I don't believe in their their cost but if you look at the cost carefully it doesn't fair out and specifically what I'm looking at is what happens if you have to have modification to your home and you think of the brownouts we have or we think of the electrical failures we have and the grid cannot take it. What do the folks do during that period of time? And it's usually not one or two hours. The last one we has was a couple of weeks ago and it happened to be over six hours. My concern is the health and welfare of our citizens and this is not the way to go and I appreciate your attention. Thank you.

Thank you very much, Laura Walls. Good evening, mayor and councilman. I'm My name is Laura Welch. I am a director of the Santa Clara County Association of Realtors and I'm a broker for two Keller Williams offices here in the Bay Area. Uh this proposal while well intended really needs to be reconsidered because it does not take into consideration people who are in fixed incomes and people with low incomes. They say yes there's rebates. However, that's not a bottomless well. And as we know in California with our population, those rebate funds run out very quickly. And that puts an unburden that puts a huge burden on the homeowners. And the reality is is that the homeowners have rights and they're being taken away when you do something like this. We need to stand up and say as realtors and say this is enough. We we are mandated for this and that and this and that and it keeps adding up more and more money and it needs to stop somewhere. Uh this Bay Area Air Quality Management District passed ordinances on the electrification. That may not happen be not only because of problems with planning, but there is organized opposition to this to repeal the mandate because it's just too costly for people. and I ask you to consider that to consider the people that are going to be affected by this and how we want to run our communities. Thank you.

Thank you very much. We'll have Carl Lee followed by David Eis and then Rose Burch

Honorable Mayor, Vice Mayor, city council members. I am a realtor also. I'm here representing my clients who live in um Campbell and are looking to live in Campbell. I'm not going to repeat many of the things you've heard already. Um the cost is coming from experience. Our clients have been dealing with electrification even before the mandate and they're facing this type of cost. Kelly earlier mentioned um transactional impact. I am in I have a client right now in contract not in Campbell Campbell School District just on the other side of the border. They're going through uh looking at electrification, electrifying their uh property that they're in contract on and they're faced now with changing their whole budget um perspective because the cost is not what we expect going in. The only other thing I'm going to mention and Laura kind of stole a little bit of my thunder. If you are going to move forward with a study and do community outreach, I encourage you to make sure that your outreach reaches the people that are affected your community that are impacted by this policy. The Bay Area air quality, they didn't it to this day when we talk to our clients throughout the Bay Area, they don't know this is happening and now they're dealing with it. That's why I think there is a movement that's going to repeal that. Southern California, it was mentioned that they defeated it and it was because the public knew about it before they voted. So if you are going to do community outreach, please reach the people, engage the people that are affect Thank you.

Thank you, David.

Thank you very much. Um, my name is David Icebach and I'm the broker of I'm a broker and we do property management as well. We have three um three duplexes in the city of Campbell already and so I'm I'm rather concerned. Um, one of the things is um, last there's pressure now in the heat of the environment and I would anticipate that uh, that eventually uh, people are going to be forced to put in air conditioning and so on. And on that venue, one of these properties this last year, we uh actually two years ago, we put in uh in both units uh uh the u air conditioning and uh heating. Now, that was with gas. Uh and so uh the heat pump would have been twice that. And we were lucky. there wasn't anything that we needed to do, nothing major with the panels. That's not the case in many properties that are older. Uh, and a lot of the rental properties are older. I'll give you just an example. And this was uh 2019, my personal home. I uh it was twotory. I had two uh I I decided to put one in the attic and one in the garage for heating. And this is regular. This is gas. And uh the bid was $41,000 to begin with. Now that's if you can extrapolate that and think about a duplex. You're doing this twice. The electric bill, we were lucky with this one. Uh $5,176.

Then they we found asbestous as you will find in a lot of the old stuff $1,900. Uh so you can double that uh in some cases. Thank you. Thank you. Rose Bur followed by Wayne Prescott. Thank you for this opportunity to speak tonight. Um I'd like to suggest that this

Would you mind coming a little bit closer to the microphone? Senator, thank you. I believe that um the proposal uh is a is one step in a a long process and I'd like us to step back and look at the big picture and consider the fact that we have mandates for electric vehicles. We have tremendous demands upon the grid for uh data centers in order to implement the use of uh uh the technology that's available. We have um the feds, federal government currently uh opposed to many um uh electrification uh uh systems that um don't reflect the interest of the energy industry. We have uh probably I don't think anyone of the professionals in this room can tell us that we're going to have enough electricity 10, 15, 20 years from now to do all the things that we'd like to do that yes would be very nice to do. Now I think that if the city is going to be a pioneer rather than being a pioneer in implementing things that the state, the federal government, the air quality management district and other folks are already doing. I think they should be a pioneer in telling powers that be that we're going to represent the people in our city. most of which I think we're going to find are opposed to this when you move on to the next phase where you uh survey the people. Thank you.

Thanks so much Wayne Prescott. Okay. Uh doesn't look like Wayne Prescott is here and um trying one more time for miles. Oh, I'm sorry. I had I called Rose Burch. Do we have a Rose Birch? Yes, please.

Hi, I'm an homeowner in Campbell and I'm not really fond of this proposal at all. In new construction, it makes sense, but I've had my house for 50 years. It's a 1963 house. I just took in 2011 took the old furnace system out and added a AC unit and I had to pay a permit of $400 and then an electrical upgrade. I had to have an electrician do that and that was oh $1,292. And the heat and air cost 13,200 and it was a total of $14,892 for the heat and air and the electrical upgrade. So, I would have to do some alterations, I'm thinking, if this passes. Um, again, there's a lot of senior citizens can that cannot carry that. It's a very expensive repair. So, well, thank you.

Thank you very much. And one last try for miles. If not, we can and do we have anyone else who wishes to speak? If not, we'll go to online. So, uh I'm going to cover the online uh for technical difficulties. We have Kristen Dance that has her hand raised. Kristen.

Good evening, mayor, vice mayor, and council members. My name is Kristen, and I purchased my home in Campbell in 1999. I'm concerned with the electrification reach code item being considered tonight because as a single parent on a single income with limited disposable income, I'm concerned that this agenda item will force me to make financial commitments that I I can't afford. If I need to replace my air conditioner or furnace because they fail, the cost of a two-way heat pump or other alternative unit will require permitting and an upgrade to my electrical panel and/or new duct work in addition to a new heat pump or other HVAC unit. I would prefer to have time to plan for such a large expenditure. I fully support the city's efforts though uh to become more sustainable through a climate action plan, but at this time requiring two-way AC and electric readiness seems rushed. I would prefer more time andor an incentive program to achieve these goals as opposed to being forced to comply prior to county or state regulation. So, I urge the council to vote no tonight. Thank you for your time.

Do we have another comment? That's it. Um, Farhad, you're a consultant for the for the SVCE, so we're going to hold on right now for that. If there's council questions, we're just taking public comments right now. Thank you so much. Um, and any others who wish to speak online? We'll close public comment and come back to council for any discussion. Um, thank you again to all the public commenters for um for your input. We'll start with Vice Mayor Fittata. Thank you.

Thank Thank you to everyone who spoke tonight and I did receive a number of emails uh to my email account and I've read everyone. Thank you. Um I have um several concerns about the proposal. Um I want to focus especially on Campbell. First of all, it's been mentioned, but I also want to note that there are many um older homes in Campbell. Uh several of them were built in the late 50s, early 60s, and in those days, the lots were rather large. Land was plentiful. Uh orchards were still plentiful and land was plentiful uh for development. So, at that time, a number of people built their homes, modest homes. Um and it was very customary to sort of provide for a large backyard and some front yard and so on.

And and so um now a number of people living in those homes are senior citizens has been mentioned by others on fixed incomes. And so for them to incur uh additional costs um to upgrade uh various elements um as proposed in in the discussion so far um not only is it costly for them u but they may just simply not do it uh because of the cost involved. Eventually those homes are going to be sold. Now, maybe the senior citizen will sell the house himself, herself, or a couple and move elsewhere. Um, or the heirs will eventually sell the house. And it's been true for many houses here in Campbell on those large lots. The buyers will come in, they'll say, "This house is very old. It's too small for me." They'll knock it down, build a very large house. So whatever preparation had been required had they made a number of these changes uh it's all for not quite frankly. Um the other thing I want to point out is the amount of greenhouse gas saved by these upgrades I think is very small compared to saving or addressing greenhouse gases from other areas. The largest source of greenhouse gas in the city of Campbell is from transportation. So the burning of uh the consumption of fuel as well as automobiles generates a lot of carbon dioxide and pollutes the air more uh than any other single thing. And that is true not only in Campbell but in all of Santa Clara County. Santa Clara County actually did a survey of the county itself and the costs of running the county and they found that the greatest cost were the fuel costs

that employers I'm pardon me that employees incurred in coming and going from work. As a matter of fact, in the nine Bay Area counties, um these are the nine counties that surround San Francisco Bay, uh commonly referred to as the areas associated with the Association of Bay Area Governments or is the area of responsibility for the Metropolitan Transportation Commission. Seven of those nine counties, again, um transportation creates the greatest level of air pollution. Um one of those counties is San Francisco. It's a it's the smallest county um that only has 47 square miles and it has a more robust public um transportation system. Um the other county is Contraosta County. Um where buildings which are the second cost of all the counties uh except Catra Costa County, it's a little bit more. Um the uh cost of heating and operating a building uh generates the most um greenhouse gas there. So we and Campbell should be focusing on the big picture of those things, namely automobiles. How many times do we see traffic, people stuck in traffic due to stop signs, stop lights that hardly ever change and are not responsive to the traffic flows? How many times um have I speaking as an individual driving through town many times um and others been stopped for left turn lanes where the signal has given the right of way to imaginary vehicles that are not there uh because of a defect in the signals. We should concentrate our efforts on greenhouse gas right now in reducing um and the greenhouse gases from transportation and make sure that we have a good flow of traffic so that we don't keep

building up more and more gases in that regard. Um in addition to that we in the city have not set our budget priorities for this next year or the staff priorities. Um the council may have other priorities that have to be funded and take staff time to do that. Um we have not figured in the staff costs or the time um or the necessity for paying or hiring additional staffs for permits and things of that nature. Um that is a hidden cost um which we would have to consider. I think we have to appreciate the fact that the voters in Campbell have been very generous to us. um they passed measure O, a $50 million bond fund which will collect money from property owners until 2025. In addition to that, the voters overwhelmingly passed measure K, which is an additional half cent sales tax uh to generate funds, which right now are sequestered, but will generate funds to us to provide the kinds of services that uh people expect um that cities provide and that we in Campbell have been very efficient in providing. So, and it's been it's also been mentioned that the state and federal government have really not weighed in on this. Um, and so I think we should wait. I don't think um we have the the budget for it uh or the staff time at the present time. And I think there's a great deal of confusion um and concern upon property owners. Um several of our greenhouse gas provisions um in the general plan that were mentioned that use the word encourage. They didn't say mandate. And so I just think this is the wrong time to do this. And um I will not support this measure going forward. Thank you.

Thanks so much. Uh just keep going on this side. Council Sure. Um I'll defer to council member Ali. Um I I think he wants to wait if we want to keep going. Council Hines is ahead. Okay. Council B.

So I want to thank uh all of the people that are in attendance tonight that spoke and those that didn't speak as well. Um, also all all of the uh people that sent in emails as I too read read all the emails and I don't believe any of them any of the ones I read were in support of this um proposal moving forward and I'm not in favor of it moving forward. Um I I agree with the majority of what was said tonight. Um there's just um too many impacts to our residents. the cost of living, the affordability, um our unstable electric grid, um regardless of what PG&E might say, um I do I believe that homeowners um the choice should be voluntary. It should be up to the homeowner to determine whether or not they want to do this. And I uh am concerned about the staff workload and and our priorities, our council priorities. Again, this isn't a work plan that was adopted. um it means that something's going to shift, something's not going to get done, and I I feel that this is should be a lower priority than than the four plans that we we've adopted. So, I'm not going to support it moving forward.

Thank you, Council H.

Yeah, thank you very much. Thank you for the excellent feedback that we've heard from all sides on this. Um I really am uh total support in electrification and the reduction of greenhouse emissions and and conservation. Uh let me start with that and I'll uh the concern where compounding electrification triggers panel upgrades or service upgrades or others. I just did an EV install into my house. I was probably only a I don't even know the metric, a kilowatt away or no from needing a uh a new panel. Even though I've got a pretty current panel, a uh a new system uh would probably cost $20,000 or more to install. I encourage and support development with an emphasis on conferation and meeting city financial goals, but not when it hits every existing property owner or renter. The renter, the property owners, if they have to do this, are going to it's going to get passed on to the renters. Our new library is an all electric and a terrific and planned budgeted experience. That was a a budgeted project, but it but let's not overreach. Um, I too read a uh the myriad of emails and the excellent comments that that I've had. Uh, just a couple of highlights from the uh uh from what I got the to me the the cost of doing this and this is just a one of the emails that I received. cost of do to me the cost of doing this would be devastating to many Campbell homeowners taking into consideration the cost to the consumer and a real long-term outcomes of such such mandates mandates must be must be considered I had an excellent uh email from Anthony and from Silicon Valley clean energy siling Silicon Valley clean energy offers rebates for both two-way

air conditioners and electrical weddings to help offset the the differentials. In addition, re research shows that installing a two-way air conditioner results in lower utility bills. Good concepts, good perspective to be able to uh uh to include uh the from the uh US green building and council two-way policies not only incentivize appliances with twice functionality air conditioning um and but they offset the use of of furnaces. We're not talking about mandates in those those concepts. Going back to our uh our general plan, it's very important for us to uh support and go forward with the uh the general plan. And that was what the the incentives of this the genesis of this was u reaching for the uh uh in the uh the green building techniques the policy coos 8.2 to that's to support and this is wording that's in our our policy support and encourage the implementation of innovative and green building best management practices and these are referenced in the material that was provided in addition to uh the POS policy COS 8.5 uh city-owned facilities will run at 100% renewable energy we need to be the uh we need to be the one that really shows the way which is which is And then it goes on to say, motivate and encourage residents and be businesses to participate in Silicon Valley clean energy. In other again, it's not a mandate that's being talked about. Motivate and encourage is the crux uh and of this very thorough, very clear, very good uh presentation and an excellent education platform for the for community outreach. But treat it as a uh as an education. This reach code goes too far and is

dictatorial to many homeowners. Uh unable to make ends meet, especially new owners. We've all bought homes. We know that when we buy a home, we're know 40 50% well above banker banker rules, but uh they're very stretched, not to mention seniors. And uh uh and then finally, the potential conflict with AB130 and its intent. I strongly encourage staff to utilize this information in a education and incentive uh pro program uh but not as a mandate not as a policy or or Thank you.

Thanks so much. Uh Council Scaza, do you want to go or do you I'm happy to go first.

Sure. Um so I'll I'll cut to the chase first and then circle back with with my thoughts and and comments. Um I don't support a mandate. I I I I want to start by thanking and celebrating the work of um Rob, Tiffany, um Tony, all the work that SBCE does coming out here entering information. I I do appreciate the comments, the engagement. Um if like I I think others up here, I've read every email I comment, tried to reply to a few before that became impossible, but appreciate the high level of discussion discourse that we've um had today. sincerely. Um, one of the things I'll try not to repeat what others um have have said. I really appreciate the thoughtful decision-making process. Um, I want to start by encouraging us to um enter into a relationship um of trust. I I think that's the approach that we try to take with the community. And and I'm not necessarily speaking to the people in this room because I do appreciate a number of you in your comments said uh you know I listen to this in the the presentation or you responding to things that others have said. Um mostly just addressing I think some of the very understandable broader concerns and anxieties that that we we can feel when we hear something discussed. We're not sure what what's going on or what angle people are coming from. Um, so I invite us in a dialogue together because I think that's the approach that we try to take to genuinely engage and bring in the the community. I think there's a real opportunity to build on that and and continue um with with that that trust. Um, all of you are engaging uh publicly and and civically. We're we're having that dialogue. And while again I don't support moving forward with a mandate, we're at the council's desire to move forward, we would start and continue

that dialogue and communication. It's it's not uh you know we don't take the approach of imposing something or trying to get it passed in secrecy. So I just want to start with that um because and and I want to build on that because I do think there's real opportunity here to continue the conversation. Uh, one thing I was struck by, um, a number of the comments today, but a number of the emails that I received, um, were people sharing their, um, concerns and anxieties, but stating that they support the goals of where we're trying to get to, of um, being more in harmony with our environment, making Campbell a leader in these areas, um, just not the policy vehicle of a mandate. I think that presents a real opportunity. Um we are so lucky in this area to have um an agency partner like Silicon Valley Clean Energy that is doing really groundbreaking work and offering um incentives that other cities, counties throughout the state or throughout the country um would would love to have. We have those resources here. Uh and so I think we have an opportunity um and and I invite us to continue this process to really make Campbell uh a leader in taking advantage of the existing resources that are there for those who um voluntarily want to do something like this. And I I encourage um us to think about um for example the the process that solar has followed where um it wasn't that everyone was mandated to convert to solar but we had incentives that just made it more cost-effective uh to do that um compared to others and and what that does is create this natural constituency to say hey I had this it it wasn't as bad as I thought you you start with those early adopters then you get more and more people and at that point people start saying hey this is actually pretty easy because now there's this whole ecosystem. There are contractors who specialize in this. SVCE has done great work uh training and engaging with

people proactively to build out that skilled workforce. Um and so I encourage us to think of that and not think of a mandate as the only policy tool that that we have. Um I've been thinking of this also because I recently um read um California Greenin. It's a a pun on California dreaming and it's by David Vogle um a professor at uh the high school of business where where I study and it goes through the 176 year history of the environmental movement in uh California starting just after the the gold rush and the the thing that I struck by it's not explicitly stated but what I took away as a theme from the book is that every successful environmental movement in California where as as we all know been a national leader Um there's been a very clear correlation between cause and effect and you need people to see that um to to see um what is gained, what is at risk of being lost and and I do fear others have touched on this in different ways um I I fear that we're losing that and as we see um in in other issues and it's not an apples to apples comparison but um retrenchment and reactionism um against uh nationally on a variety different policy issues. Um, I fear going too far in one direction where we lose the progress that's that's been done. I think we need to draw on those lessons of of history with that clear cause and effect. But, uh, that's longer view thinking in terms of, uh, just where we go from here. Um, I really do think there's an opportunity. I would actually love our city staff to keep working with Silicon Valley clean energy um and to work with the folks including the um uh association here tonight um to really spread the word about these incentive programs and for people that offer this as an attractive option look at other groups. Um I do share the concerns about the work plan. So uh while I'm

interested in exploring that I don't think now is the time to introduce that. I would ask staff to uh and this is just my individual feedback, but when we do the work plan planning process for the next fiscal year, uh to bring back some of those ideas for what kind of partnerships could we create for uh making better use of existing incentives and programs that people may not know about. Uh but I do appreciate the the the dialogue here. Again, I I will not be supporting a mandate, but I I'm I'm heartened by I think the shared um sentiment that many have shared of supporting Gamble being an environmental leader and and really preserving what is special here. But, um without a mandate that that may um have counterproductive effects. And with that, I'll just I'll see if Council Member Skizzola want to say a few words.

Yeah, certainly. Yeah, definitely looks like I'm outnumbered here on this one, but uh I just want to start off saying if this actually place a burden on fixed income, low income, or any other struggling folks in our community, then I would be very much opposed to it. But this, you know, if you really read the language, it's not doing that. This is a very, as was put earlier, surgical thing that we're trying to do here. Very, it's relatively small. uh that most of these concerns are are just not something to be concerned about. These high class is not a high cost at all. These rebates compensate and you're essentially paying for the same thing. Why would you want to have a more energyefficient device that actually helps you overall save money if it essentially costs the same as the old gas device? Um anyhow, you you can still have your gas. This was mentioned earlier if you want. It's we're not forcing anything here. That's the only thing that's being quote forced is to, you know, upgrade a panel perhaps or something like that. And again, I want to restate over and over again that the cost there is no real cost burden there because you can use these rebates SVCE and others provide. Now, I will say someone mentioned rebates disappear and that's true, but I can almost guarantee that SVC rebates will not run out. the entire board is dedicated to not just electrification but to affordability. That's one of the key things with SPC. So I can almost guarantee that those rebates will never end in perhaps maybe there needs to be a bit more. I don't know. This is something for the board to discuss for sure. Um so I wish that we would move forward just to have this discussion more because I feel that none of us up here even have all the information like there are no questions still. I feel like uh so but it it appears unless I can sway you with these words uh that it doesn't look like we're moving forward with this and I'm I'm truly disappointed

um uh have a few more notes here. I'll just leave it at that. Thank you and I deeply appreciate your comments and the work as I said with Silicon Valley um the energy and I understand um your perspective as as well. Um, first just checking are there other comments uh before a motion. I want to check.

Yeah, I think I just wanted I just wanted to make a couple of comments on the other representations that I've heard on the on here. I I too am very concerned about staffing. We've heard that. I definitely agree. I didn't mention that. Uh but uh I've certainly talked about work plan load work plan overload in the particularly in the community development. uh complex policies become very difficult to implement and they become very skewed in the implementation. So I I I caution us in in introducing those. I'm I always come back to the economics that I learned uh many many years ago of Adam Smith that uh there the market is going to drive the where the product is going to go. Uh so we have to have uh let's have there needs to be incentives for electrification that to be need to be based on market directives and and and directions. That's the Adam Smith in my mind that uh that keeps coming back to me not not mandates. So thank you.

Go ahead council. Thank you. I also wanted to mention, I think it bears repeating, you know, that these reach codes have class in Sunnyvale and Mountain View and they've had their first reading in Los Alto, Saratoga, and Los Alto Hills. Uh, so I feel like they are on the right side of history for this. This is a very minor thing. I can't restate that actually. It's not I mean, we have Thank you guys for coming out here, but it is really not that big of a deal. Uh, and I feel they're on the right side of history and we're not in this case just for this one thing, you know. And I I've always been proud of us being the tip of the spear in most things. You know, we are a little city that are fighting well above our weight class in most things. I just feel like we're we're failing at this moment.

And I I respect that perspective. I do want to be clear for my comments. Um, I I think we have multiple options available to us to encourage the direction that we want. um and that we can look at options beside this just hearing the desire of the council. I I I hope we will continue to have discussion. I I do want to um again once again thank staff and be really clear for uh bring up this discussion. We shouldn't be afraid of having and engaging these difficult public discussions um of uh considering innovative ideas. Um, and so I want to keep encouraging that um, with the um, as we continue community input um, and input from from this council. Um, I do want to check in with with staff. Um, rather probably you um, we've we don't I don't think we have to have a motion tonight, but you did present a few different options or

Yeah. Just wonder what you suggest for clarity. We were asking for direction whether to pursue the proposed reach codes in which we would do additional public outreach and report back. Um it sounds like from the majority of the council on the hearing there's not interest to pursue a policy change that would mandate the changes that were suggested and suggestions that when we bring back our work plan perhaps we fair it out some ways in order to encourage and incentivize versus mandate. And that was my understanding. I don't know that we need a motion to do that. Uh, but that's the the feedback that I've received from council. So, does that sound Yep.

to others like like it captures our discussion. Council Scazilla. Sorry. I'm I'm just trying to see if we're talking about this still in the future like like I'm I'm a little confused on where we're headed. It's like Yeah. Brian, could could you just answer?

Yeah. It sounds like from the re from the feedback from the council, they're not interested in pursuing policy changes at this point. Um so we'll cease on the work with the policy changes at this point. Uh but there was some interest in continuing the conversation of incentivizing and encouraging um and uh there was some encouragement for staff to come back when we look at our work plans to talk about what that for the next fiscal year not not for a policy change or an ordinance change at this point. I'd say it was the the one addition to working closely with Silicon Valley clean energy in helping to construct that that messaging. Vice Mayor Fo.

Yeah, I I think it's still within our general plan that we have already accepted that we have that goal and we encourage that and we look for innovative ways in the future to to implement this. um public education, public support I think bringing the public along and hearing public input I think is very important in all of this. Even a member a number of the speakers indicated that the goal is good. Um um there is a hope that eventually you know uh we'll go to all electric vehicles or some other source other than fossil fuel and sort of clean the air in that way and and I hope that happens. Um but right now a number of these things are rather expensive and especially if we try to mandate these things and kind of get ahead of ourselves. So that's how I look at it and um and I think you know the goal is still there that we want to work toward that goal u but not in a a way that sort of says you must do this, you must do that and that's the way we're going to do it period. I mean that's that's not the approach we want to take. Thank you.

Absolutely. And I I won't go too far into this, but uh you know it could include things like holding forums, study sessions, doing community outreach events. Um but you know, discussion I think for the next f this year um as we think of those ways to encourage some I just want to capitalize on vice mayor's comment about the uh um the automotive side of this. Um recently I had mentioned I recently purchased an EV. I've had great fun passing up uh gas stations. So, uh, I just, uh, would, you know, there's a there's a big step in that and I that's ultimately where the the big direction, but it's costly. No doubt on that.

Yeah, it sounds also sounds like a lot of pressure for uh me and my role with BTA, you know, from what I'm hearing on transportation. But, um, thank you again. I I think that wraps us up uh for this item. if the staff directions if I could make one one additional comment. I mean, there's nothing to prohibit staff from um encouraging residents as they come in to apply for u permits and whatnot to provide this information and and suggest that you know there's an alternative here. You might want to consider it rather than it being a mandate. So, to me, there's nothing that would pro prohibit staff from doing that um to work toward the end goal of reducing, you know, emissions.

Thank you. I I I I really appreciate the thoughtful discussion and again public input. That wraps us up for this item. Uh for item 10, we have no unfinished business. That moves us to item 11, which is our council committee reports. Um we will start with vice may for this item. Thank you to everyone. Thank you.

Thank you. I had the um I've had the opportunity to serve on the West Valley Stormwater Authority Board and um I've mentioned to you before that oftentimes there's a misunderstanding uh about exactly what the storm water authority does um because it has the term water in it and there are many agencies that deal with water, waste water, recycled water um etc. Um so um the storm water authority board's responsibility is primarily focusing on water runoff that go in storm drains where the runoff including any pollutants that are present go untreated directly uh into our creeks uh into the bay into the perk ponds and things of that nature. And so the authority has been working very hard to provide better public education and encourage the public to be actively involved in managing storm water where they can. Um the the cost of doing this however now exceeds the um income that's coming in. Uh and cities are you know our cities in this area are bearing the additional cost for that but it's nevertheless still important. And um so recently the Stormwater Authority Board created a short public video uh on this matter uh which will start to circulate and I have the opportunity of showing it tonight. It's very brief and I think it will be helpful. I'd like your feedback when we see it. So if I might ask Andrea to go ahead please. Thank you. If I hang on, let me see if I can make it a little louder.

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And and do we have anyone still from it who could They're here. Yeah, the volume's all the way up on the video. So, let me try the sounds on my computer. Sorry, it's just spinning. It's just this. It's just the sound is not Oh, we have

There may be an option for audio to share directly from your computer rather than through the microphone. I can't get the little In the Santa Clara Valley, rain and irrigation water flows over rooftops, driveways, and streets into storm drains that lead straight to creeks, the bay, and the ocean. This is called urban runoff or storm water, and it's not treated. It flows untreated into our environment, carrying pollution that can harm waterways and public health. Many people mistakenly believe storm water is the same as drinking water or that it's cleaned at a treatment plant. It's not. Storm water pollution happens when material from everyday activities gets into the storm drain. Pollutants include oil, grease, and soap from vehicles, pesticides and fertilizers, water from swimming pools, sediment from construction projects, illegal dumping such as paint, oil and other hazardous waste, and litter. This is where the West Valley Storm Water Authority comes in. The West Valley Storm Water Authority serves Campbell, Los Gatos, Monte Serino, and Saratoga. Together with our member agencies, highly trained staff help meet the strict federal and state storm water regulations that protect creeks, wildlife, and public health. We also work with residents, schools, and local businesses to prevent storm water pollution before it reaches our waterways. From planning, engineering, and construction site inspections to maintaining streets, roads, and storm drain infrastructure to responding to illegal dumping, the work

goes on year round to protect our wershed. In most West Valley communities, residents pay a property fee of $16 to $20 per year, and it has not increased since the early 1990s. Even as state regulations have grown more complex and costly, protecting our wershed starts with all of us. And it takes awareness, shared responsibility, and continued investment in storm water infrastructure to keep our wershed healthy for the future. Learn more about our work to keep waterways clean and how you can help. Visit clean creeks.org. Thank you. Thank you.

Yeah. So, it's it's a nice video and it makes clear exactly what storm water is and some of the some of the things that people can do to stop that. So, I want to report on that. And then very briefly, I had the opportunity to attend the joint venture Silicon Valley um annual valley uh poll where they uh pulled over 1,700 individuals um asked them a number of questions about life in Silicon Valley. And uh no surprise, everyone loves living here. Number two, no one can afford to live here. uh it's too expensive and there's not enough housing and housing is too expensive. So uh in a nutshell that is the entire poll um which took me two hours plus to listen to which actually was very good but I'm I don't want to be cynical or anything. it. We live in a great area. However, there are a number of costs that people bear and it's not easy um living in this environment uh as well as you know finding housing and maintaining it um or even having access to housing because it's so expensive. So, thank you.

Thank you very much and thank you for sharing the video uh staff for uh for for displaying that. Um who wants to go next? Any Councel please uh just be quick here timid Silicon Valley clean energy uh the Campbell Library ribbon cutting ceremony of course wonderful day that day was u that's thank you council he

yeah I attend I attended the league of California cities it was excellent um excellent sessions that we had there uh collaboration with fellow electors and staff have um staff has my full report that I put together on this, but I just wanted to highlight a couple of couple of things. Uh transitional housing wrap with wraparound services, the process is well established. Uh that with a couple of great examples and we're seeing it in San Jose right next door as well. Uh the price tags are 15 million plus. So uh that's kind of the target that we need to be able to get to and um we've got the model right next door that we can look at. development agreements had a great uh conversation on that really helps shape city objectives and we can apply in multiple current projects. Wireless permitting uh is coming and but uh it's import imperative to watch the shock clock. Uh climate reliance with shovel ready prop four projects with for mobile homes especially um but all of us are seeing the risk and therefore substantial insurance increases. So let's take a look at that. Proposition 36, a good discussion around that implementation needs extensive collaboration to be successful with the DA, public defenders, behavioral health and law enforcement. U robust discussion on AI and um the use is here to stay and growing and ordinances um need to be careful and labor negotiations need to be careful that they have to be able to stand up in court because there's certainly concern around that. Finally, a disappointing that the league had no general session points to bring up. Uh the league is a powerful voice that of the cities uh that that really wasn't exercised. Uh I I personally hope to work with the league in uh uh bringing a voice to uh the policies and that we can then take to the state and the county.

The uh uh Sierra I attended the Sierra Club and open space uh program, the guardians in nature annual celebration. uh very good conversation around that and what they did. I also attended the Santa Clara County Finance Committee review of the HR1 impact. Uh it's a sobering impact across the entire spectrum of social services that we all depend on. Uh continued engagement uh with San Jose Pam and Pam Foley and Scott Hughes. Uh we've been invited to the the Bristol Hotel Community Action uh committee community advisory committee. Uh that's actually tomorrow. Rob's going to attend for that. I have a another issue that I've got to deal with on that. Um and it's going to it's great to be able to see that. Uh and then Ecode Dev Nate and I were slacking pretzels at October Fest. Uh more pretzels than you could possibly imagine. Thank you.

I heard the pretzels sold out. How that's how many? I don't know. We were too exhausted. Yeah, probably on that was only on Saturday. Sunday there were I can't believe how many it's amazing. Probably sold out. Council, so I attended the uh library ribbon cutting and also volunteered and participated at the um October Fest and large crowd and it's I think very successful. So it was good to see good weather and uh it was a fun event.

Thank you. Um like others. Um it great to have the ribbon cutting and such a celebratory occasion um for the community. Uh a lot of fun at October Fest as well. Also attended uh League of Cities and was sworn in as president of the Peninsula Division uh which represents Santa Clair County and Sano County. So I look forward to that over the next year. Um with Silicon Valley Clean Energy, we kicked off the um audit um in our audit committee meeting this year. Um we also kicked off a new um body and ad hoc committee with VTA, the culture and climate committee um which brings together union leaders and uh VTA board members and BTA executive staff to work together on uh transforming the culture of the agency for the better. I think it's going to be a powerful force in moving that that work forward. Uh we also had a special BTA meeting where the board made the the decision to get to a higher level of design specification on uh one of uh two design uh designs that were considered for the B Silicon Valley project. Um so starting to make some some progress um on that as as that work um as that work continues. And um with that I think that wraps us up and this meeting is now adjourned. Thank you all.