City Council - Regular Meeting

first item discussion on the future of City owned facilities and we'll start with the building we are sitting with I'll get up so the uh the handout that you have that were emailed out yesterday I think all staff has been kind of thinking and talking about this for a while for put all these options together I think it looks really good so to say the first item was just the building that we're sitting in I think we have to consider all these more as you know all the buildings with all the options that we have we can figure out the best use for for what we have with taxpayer money in mind and so on and so forth so U I don't know how yall want to tackle this if youall want to look through the options or we want to pick them up one by one I'd like to very broadly ask some yes or no questions that will help determine some things our project that's down the hill okay are we proceeding or not what is the status the status of it it's still march okay I'm sorry March of 24 still 25 25 I me okay is when the hearing is tentatively scheduled you know I mean is it looking promising or not I mean I mean of course our attorneys are going to say it looks promising but you know we're still Gathering data I think there's some other how much I'm at Liberty to speak about it in Open Session but there's some other things that are going on I should say in a separate case that does not involve the city okay may factor in so I mean the reason I asked

that is because that has a new Council room has I mean then it would and so I don't want to some of these decisions are hard to make like moving from here to the new truest building because it's then in you know we're if we're g move in across the street so yeah I completely understand that I think that we're going to have whenever the time comes to make a decision regarding that building it's going to be very difficult because of the inflationary cost of of construction from 2018 25 so that's going to be I think it's going to be very tough swallow yeah I think it's a very good question I yes we do have to keep that in mind but I don't yeah but I mean at this point can't really okay that was just well IID regarding the use of these build any okay I want but I think that you know as we've discussed before that's a decision that the council's going to have to pick up that time okay now if we come back and you know on if you look at that project we paid out approximately $3.8 million towards a $5 million project it's going to cost yeah right double that to finish it right anything I don't

want okay so that was that gets me started thanks so anyway as as I said I don't I don't know if y'all want to pick these off one by one I think the and then if y'all Y want sta we probably all have very opinions forward yeah I can stall a little bit more so one of the things that I think you may you may read in here and something to keep in mind as we discuss the former city hall and the Senior Citizen Center is if you just kind of take a look at the ceiling over here and if you look at some of the building on the other side I mean it's it's kind of in disrepair so we don't know how neat we' have to dive to get in there obviously we know we have a ro Le right here um but to go back and really peel into some of those Mr running five minutes behind okay so you know I think I think we captur that here we captur some of the risk that we would see if we decided to take on a rehab project for either this building or the senior Citi build okay so right now give us the top three pressing because I know talk I mean talking here about moving the water department here we talk about moving the library what's the three top priorities we need to focus on as far as

departments and of course we've talked for for seems like years now about you know the growth in our library programs and the need for more space there you know I think outside of that we we also have had growth in our police department and they need to be they need to have more room in that building so that would necessitate moving the water department somewhere else and then you know our council chambers would can meet you know wherever we decide to meet we just have to make that public we could meet at the Civic Center and if we needed to convene in executive session just go into a side room whatever if not mean if necessary we got ideas to even hous it at our new city hall you know if the council were decide okay we this is a risky thing or we just want to you know how much money do we want to put into this for the building next door okay what are the pros and cons that mooving the police department PR what Focus I think they're they're pretty well settled where they're at their it needs are met pretty pretty well right now we finally got everything set up the way we need to be firewalls and dash cams and body cams and all that stuff so they are well suited out [Music] there but but not the water dep be [Music]

EAS how much office in the field majority of time right now they've got two offices that they actually utilize a little break room fire station office SP and then street sweeper stays over there now yeah so the only thing we have over here right now just we got some pipe in there there Main Street supplies very little in the new building storage yeah and then we have a bunch of supplies do window that would have to stay decide to do something with those you know but can we currently put office space in there start so I think you could you would have to climate control one section of it so there's a the far section I guess the furthest west you're looking at it has got the makeup to be able to close in and create an office area forev so probably have to pull back into the parking lot to install some restrooms but I mean I think be done pretty easily and then you got them house put over there bring our sewer machine over there you know just all of their fittings all of their supplies we we have enough parking space you got on the back side of the building to and the bricks will be gone one day [Music]

182,000 say with the old fire station I did like making it work at C and making par something trct more I drive and look at downtowns the more we need something to draw and I don't think moving the water department over there draw to downtown people guess one of the things that I left off of there was the motorbank to the but you're not doing anything to the calab Boost and the that little Park it's just that building building correct the warehouse It's exra Landmark I don't think is is there a historical marker there okay but the police department needs space that would not take much you're what you're saying is for like to add some restrooms and a couple of offices they've got space over there that uh the old fire station it's a SL I understand I mean if you're have an area whether it be a part of downtown or whatever but you still got a building that you can utilize for certain

apartment that will not take any more of that space once these bricks are moved yeah it's hard to imagine without the Bricks now been so long away so so since we're on this so talked about an old uh be agree Distillery or Brewery is that conversations that no we hav we haven't had any interest in that okay I like that idea that's what I was thinking and they put it on hold because yes okay so um we're not voting on any of this right no I think if we can get a consensus or a general direction staff would bring back some concrete figures and we bring back some possible plans to to help make this okay so how about we um each we express some opinions about um this building and option one and option two okay so then can we go to you guys and say so what would you recommend can we start there can we do that okay so but before before you I mean I'd love to hear those thoughts absolutely and then I can give you ABS so we'll go first and then this is great then we'll

end with what you all would recommend for Old City Hall 107 South Street there guys we haven't talked about a while we have different opinions at this point that's okay good that's what we're here for okay who let's to start let's just start Old City Hall 107 option one and it's what we just talked about moving the water department to the over there right no that in this building okay if this building as Melissa told me the roof fell in when she was here this morning or found all in you just mentioned it what good is this building to anyone if it's not in shape and you're we're looking at 2002 200 ,000 what are the odds of this building being looked at to buy regardless I think that would be a project we'd have to reach out to some of the real estate professionals um I to that two ways this kind of hits on on option two also I think if you were to do that what you would want to do if we were to sell this building for the building next door is do it in a way where we'd have a 380 agreement was somebody is a private public partnership that way we would have more control the one thing we don't want to do is have somebody buy this thing and just sit on it and not develop it at all you know if we did a 380 agreement we could either sell it at a discounted rate or offer you know a a kickback is not the right term but a rebate on the back end once

they've met the conditions for gives you moreway as far as incentives and it gives you more teeth to say okay this will be developed into this at or at or before this time and then it helps as the you know the project cross Street's going to be great this going to be another project to H the Redevelopment I'll just put that out there thought got [Music] but to you know do itly it right know Mee alleria so a decade after they were benefits so that in that case yes I think you all know I'm a big dreamer or Vision looking person but we got buildings right now we don't have anybody hammering us for I think the old Lorn is a perfect example that if you were going to buy a building in cwell and fix it up that would be a nice place just like Pat's Vue over here going to be you can make it a steakhouse bring people downtown or other deals but we we have buildings downtown that nobody wants or they or they may want but the owners ask too much and and then as Cameron said about the bu baratos deal but we we know that was a failed deal and we're moved away from that so my deal is if we have this

building up for sale do you think it really would sell I mean we have a a council meeting room here we don't have to do any type for rearranging anything the bank or at City Hall let me call it city hall there's so many City Halls that we all but uh is there any other need that the city would need the front part of this building in your in your views because I I I don't know I don't you know like the uh uh as we grow uh example do we need a a room for code and whatever I'm just I mean we've got it now but I was just saying as we grow that's my question there's nobody beating the doors down now you know we're going to grow see say we at that point need more space you know well we know what's going down there but you know it's going be hard to buy something I mean if you looking at Cost build buyer Builder plan zoning we talked about that you working on that yeah so working on that I me this could serve as a multi-purpose you know the court uses it still Still Water use that front look at a lot of mud Dr out yeah

um but I agree with we want all of our trucks downtown I think only if you have them officed here in their equipment so you know I know it's only a block and a half but but but wouldn't their equipment still be at the warehouse wouldn't they go to the warehouse in their personal vehicles and then get into their vehicles would just remember that that's kind of some of the decisions that we're making not just I'm just asking yeah no no and I'm I'm just I'm throwing this out there not only do we want to utilize our our buildings to be efficient there we also want to be efficient with our operations and I think to be here drive over there you know that's what I'm trying to avoid you know if they're meeting here and is walking down the street then to go get equipment out of there just but I mean I'm not trying to sway anybody one way or this city hall I just look the number right I mean I'm just you know 200 $250,000 a whole lot cheaper than 1.5 million on this the scene and the thing is is even though it's old it may actually be more sellable because it has that historic you know look everything this it doesn't look modern it looks like a is modern right so I mean this building right here and there again how many square feet is this building approximately is that with the

chambers no I'm talking this chamber this I'm sorry the bottom l okay so here's a question we take these seats out okay we take these seats out put it okay the the water department wouldn't need too many offices right a couple so is there a possibility that we could do some of our programs from the library in this build and then we have then we have chairs they're set up when we need Chambers I'm just asking question yeah we have been discussed several times mon would that will relieve that pressure other than the fact that it would be twoes okay f up on him if we fix the building I I and we're looking at senior and how many square foot is that building lower half and up same yes large only only negative that building is it doesn't have a way to get up and down well I don't know what you're going to uncover you start moving I

understand and what's the library right now and if we got a structural on that building and it came back good even the second floor is more than what they're in now is that right am I am I saying anything wrong and if it came back structurally good this is what if the only negative is it's is stairs right going to I don't know 60,000 for an elevator to put in there I mean if uh Jesse mentioned what can you build even for 250,000 nowadays well we're talking about 250,000 we're talking about this I understand I understand but I'm I'm saying the same thing on the library like moving the library to the Senior Citizen Center the whole thing yeah yeah but you that is well without Renovations they're just talking about the building million million and a and then you're going to have to out with what you need what what what what would they need besides what they already have extension that would cover all theurn fixt Library so they just need the building basically but we own that building right so we already own a property yeah the reason we put 1.5 milon on that

don't sure but would but wouldn't you find that out in a structural and Engineering survey a of it but they would have to proba start Tak of that but then we have to do the same thing similar to the bank TR is we went through we did a lot of the kind of due diligence work on you know before we purchased it but if you all remember before we purchased that when I brought that the council I had an architect come in and we looked at Upstairs Downstairs and over here taking all this in and I want to say that was two to2 and half million [Music] doll bring that back I guess look at that it was just basically was an estimate based off the square footage and whatever the cost estimate was for Rehab at the time I I never got anything formally written up but I mean yeah well I mean but talking about this building in the chamber room I I think I'm I'm I'm old maybe I'm old school here but I think putting folding chairs in in in here and would be become a total headache if you're going to move it for deals for the library back and forth because the same thing the chairs get we have a nice chamber here for people when they come in it it's presentation also I I I think you like to R chairs I no I I don't care about that I I'm just if you move so Council meets once a month and if you mooved the chair at are City at the Civic Center they're a nicer looking

chair in here you're only moving them once a month out for a counil meeting right think you I would say move them back and forth I would think you get something in St what I'm saying is a chair like that it doesn't you're thinking like twice a month depending on what the events there's churches that put those Tye of chairs yeah I mean that's that's pretty standard I just just me like I said we're voicing but I I think the presentation I would like to this looks nice but the walls look like they've got me do on them and everything else and to liveing this room up but we had a pretty good crowd in here the other day and I think we're probably going to get more and more as we grow and grow so but that's just just my opinion and I completely understand if y'all think that this room but have a building that's that big if it structurally and we can redo some of it you need have one place where that library is one place you're not going to the Civic Center you're not coming to this building you're not going to the library it's one place well and that that I mean if if you are attracting with people with kids and stuff down to be downtown then you open up for somebody making ice cream shop or I mean then you then you start helping people to think outside the box and say okay man I have all these kids coming down here every week man what great place for little ice cream Shoppers I know we had a candy store but the candy store didn't work because there was no kid attraction we've had that discussion we actually met with a developer he said you got built in clientele at that

point br people right and I know that I mean you know if we do that the the property on 21's a little bit more sellable than this building is here to be honest with you but I mean we just have to soak the note till we can sell that property but I don't know if anybody bought they didn't have access and we can't use the excuse there's not enough parking because we have a lot more parking here than they over there so uh and then if this building be it maybe water department maybe has two offices you know you're saying track in whatever this part would be closed off would it not that's what but then the library if they needed hiding or somebody need rooms to just do their stuff if it's not up there they could have rooms down here and be right next to the library and there's no walking okay there's no walking out in the weather or but if you're giving them what 16,000 square feet no this the just the top part the the whole building whole building okay if you're giving them the whole building what are you going to do a city a senior City you didn't read um forgot what what we do to the to but what I'm saying is if you're if you're getting the library at 16,000 there is no reason they would need this building and [Music]

then like no office will be here I think if you did this building for the library and did Waterworks at that place over there what would be the reason for this building so that [Music] piece a second space like this multipurpose or put over there okay sorry I didn't read but it says temporarily if they renovated the downstairs I didn't know okay so you would think about moving them there that was one option it's in Twin but if you gave that you your library is done your library is done then it could be for holding large Gatherings too Trum Trump but I mean they hold those those uh functions and 300 kids and sh the roof on that building I haven't seen leaks like this I don't go in there that much but I haven't seen any

indication it's in better shape than this and I think the only leaks that we really have here are on this kind of new part also that building I know it's got senior citizens on the front and stuff but wouldn't that fall into the we or actually uh improving downtown by having the library say here there could be money for hisorical restoration yeah I I how many square foot did you say that that upstairs is huge I mean if it's structural I in one place that's why we brought this to there's a lot of moving Parts here we could do that what we say was about 5000u we do meticulous steps I'm not sure we two or three jobs on but we like Library first library library where it is now with the sell quick it may not be a library I mean a building it might be torn down but it would sell quick I think that's

know1 so that's 1.6 I mean do the ma it's already got rests yes it has to and I don't know the elevator we here trying to build you have to have a elevator pit so you have to destroy at least aie of I don't know if all no I was talking about just for elderly people that like me going up stairs nowadays yeah okay I can do that too [Music] well I mean they put them in homes and stuff I mean I mean it's not if you watch this commercial used to two building over here but anyway uh I like that I like moving the library downtown I think we'd just be helping to

try to renovate downtown if we move the library here I think that would be a step to help show that hey we're committed to isn't there a friends of the library they are currently inactive [Music] that but don't know they don't to my knowledge they don't have well and couldn't we possibly I mean because there's going to be like little learning rooms I mean we could auction those off and you know this becomes the lp Learning Center or the nonfer Extrusion Learning Center or get you know some sponsors good I was thinking um deanville baseball raises 60 $80,000 a year I was just the reason I asked about friends of the libraries is for them to do a a big fundraiser it's for you know what I'm saying not us to do it but friends of the library you say Don Trump rally but what I'm saying is I I think it's been years and years and years since friends of ly has done anything

and I think they could they could kick it off yeah and I think I think I mean I think the community would be as much as this community supports kids they would be behind it you might have a lot something anous that would right exactly okay so we talked about Senior Citizen Center do we want to go on that one sort of we did yeah okay the just the consensus here is really to keep this building at this time we figure it out as we we go along and it sounds like we're the majority me if I'm wrong or we're interested in moving to the library because that's your biggest think right that's what the biggest need was as far as space go it sounds like we want to explore moving it to the you could even they could even have like film room over there in in that largest space training and everything else that that is an asset since we own it well we we had talked about doing you know another agreement with somebody like a local coffee place to have a local coffee shop within the library lot

you know oh I'm sorry go ahead you you were talking about Grant does Grant Works still are we do we still use Grant works okay so are we is there anything more that out there because I read about all these uh pulls and splash pads and how they use certain acts and I think you even listed one of them in here uh that we could be looking at that one if we decide that's the building we're going to go in there there seems to be so many grants out there that are we are we missing it that's my question okay I don't know these so so the I guess to sum up is it we're going to get inspection of the building is that what we're saying well spent before and but this building should we not fix the roof I mean we're going to need to fix the roof yeah because we don't want this just the theer think yeah we have to put some more

thought into what we want to do if we want to keep it because just having it as Idle space no it's the white layover a TPO well originally yeah orig could you come in and put a slope group on top of it no eventally the TP has a warranty so I would have thought that they would in 2018 that would have been fixed is that correct yeah no they didn't do it the correct way is what's tto that's that's our tarp that's on currently on our temporary protection is PVC vinl that they can actually seam to make it wider okay um that's pretty much any flat roof application now um the fact that sounds like they didn't do this correctly this is I bet you they sent a a guy up there to flash we probably we probably don't have a whole team I would not think what actually mean we can go up this ladder and you can go up the ladder and get on the roof I Wasing The Vines down up there

oh they way there's two but it seems like first thing get the leak stop even if we have just if they can find where it's coming from maybe temporary we've had estimat to go back and look and then I think you know your point VI I want to keep this as the chambers yes make it look nice the carpet [Music] chairs yeah [Music] ofand I mean we I mean question go back and check with but this be covered under insurance no we file an insurance claim that means if they paid it we probably had a deductible and then we didn't they came out within the last years

God that was 2018 you mean the roof didn't last for yeah what type of Warrant what they do yeah so we we'll look at that's your line okay so you heard everybody up here now it's your turn but what are your thoughts it does matter it does matter for us too these larger projects makes me a little nervous that we're going to have some large expenses next but I I do understand the point was this the cheapest real EST estate we're going to get so I'm I'm okay this is you if yall are elected these are the decisions that yall get to make and I just care about I don't have an issue we we've discussed that several times obviously we've discussed about kind of the historical grants that we might be able to get some other things to to do it's just a matter we just need help with that direction because you y all are elected by the public and you know the reason that we're kicking this conversation off is we're going to finalize budget next month and in that budget we have $300,000 set aside for Library repairs I don't want to put $1,000 into that Library we're not we're not going to stay there is foolish so that's why this conversation very important so we can redirect some of that money if we want to move it in streets whatever or do or maybe we do those rehabs here locally right here in this area and get these these uh

buildings in shape to help transition some of these things that that's that's the reason if it's the council's desire to move the library here that's great I mean we've talked about that okay is there a way to get between [Music] these KN yeah you could absolutely connect yeah that was took part of to have everybody one spot what I think it's better that's just my opinion if since we have real estate that we can't even touch 16,000 Square fet for any amount of money unless that comes back but if that building is so bad well that's that bad for downtown is it okay but then I was just thinking about pretend that this is not structurally sound and that it is not something we can proceive with what about building a new library on no on the don't Che on the drive through lot that we already own is it enough to build say a a twostory 10,000 foot Library there's parking there you're still downtown think when you talking about a commercial project and being TW story

it's not like a one because I don't think we have you would have to go I think you know listening to this great discussion right and I think the thing that sticks out to be the most the cheapest real estate that we're going to have improve if it's structurally sound [Music] next and yeah I mean I think G's got a good idea but would we could take this two or $300,000 we could do whatever we need here we can find out what's we could get a plan for this whether it's right or wrong but at least gives us some money to use that 300,000 we need don't look above the door going into the says there's no bricks there so it's gone I haven't seen upstairs but Jan says it's just hum very large I you know it depends on how much we have to go back and rewire you know what we have to do we opened up the sub floor whenever we were up there and from what I can see I mean the Lumbers get down there from what I can see the are that's probably true Lumber yeah and it is um and but I think the thing is is that just verifying that it'll hold the extra weight of whatever books you're going to put up there but if you put rooms below structure yeah you start there's a big space there's 's a pretty decent space between the ceiling of the W death especially over the kitchen area for SE and and uh so there's a large subfloor area there uh whether that's

the structurally subfloor or not we in the area that I opened up it wasn't that large I kind of assume it's kind of that way some other kind stru of Timbers under yeah where that kitchenet area the ceiling drops down a lot and so I was kind of trying to peek up in there my dad own store downtown when he remodel back in the 70s that all that wood was 1 by 12 it was 1 by 12 and and you couldn't drive a nail through it hardly or anything people were buying that lumber for more than what surely what wson was but they were buying it from there because they wanted that wood so I'm sure these buildings are the same way because it was the building next to the Prosperity Bank and that's a time I understand that you're kind of directing us to look into these Renovations down here kind of the top priority and I like I like putting the sen this for now that's a great idea that's what we it ties everything together it really does well I think you know with your seniors right next to your hopefully Library one day allows them to have some enrichment as well hopefully develop some programs there this is great plan use our assets [Music] [Music]

so the city has no contract with current so if we want to the agreement up for Ral in September so we want to take it wouldn't be any extra cost besides we don't have anything in place so y don't care just want to keep status and just move them that's fine I didn't read it all I read the first page and that was enough U sorry uh what's your opinion you you you dove into it you see the fro so I mean I think the pro is that be aam but also connect library but then also making sure that everything that they are supposed to get from bog in terms of Grant funds there's zero accountability right now and it's very difficult when we we

take in complaints or we're not involved at all they utilize our building right now and that's it so it makes it difficult for us to problem solve on their behalf right now so I think if we if we took over the agreement that we we'd have some skin in the game and then we could probably provide better service for our seniors at Le would be more directed or how many people use that cuz my dad used to go and I mean it was 20 25 people at a time and and they look forward to that because it gives them somewhere to talk and everything else um but if if they're missing out on money grants or anything else is that bad so I mean what's the what's the pro of keeping just like everything else you know everybody's get a little bit older and they're not able to keep up what they did it's hard to find people volunte take we have a staff M has a little bit B well that's all we have here in other City yeah other I'm just asking this is a local volunteer no ties to be it's not ideal so that's why I would I would say it' be better if we took it

on because there's so gives the seniors $1,000 per and $7,000 I think especially if if if this all what we just talked about come from RE it would be better that it would be in our hands and when I say ours the cities well if you pull off what you you're suggesting be better old fire station so we got to talk about it yes I I I don't know that we can solve all these tonight I've gotten I think the direction that I that I wanted to give for as in the larger projects we want to see if we can utilize what we have down there um I think going forward of course get the root fixed here let's figure out a plan of how we want to use this maybe an estimate on remodeling this let's get the structural work done over there and then figure out how we utilize this space if we utilize the space up front for the senior citizens we're still going to need a place for the

water are we not moving them to station that would be the plan I think keeping them away from the rest of the group here if we going to go the route with the senior citizens and the building then the only option there to give the police cuz you already said to move the police would just be a nightmare then the easy this thing is a couple rooms in the restroom and for the city to do and when I when I mentioned while ago about I didn't mean they would have to come here and check in and then go get their vehicles I was saying they just go to the warehouse pick up the truck and then they CU that that way their vehicles are protected also they're not on the street or anything else so that's I wanted to clear that up I like not there's space to put them out there but we're also about to expand that keep that in mind but we all that on the front side well I mean me

okay you get all this figured out so they can temporarily off correct that way we don't have to do anything and then that's another decision like that we can figure something out in the metime right good idea you already got everything we got restrooms and this is just until we can you know we got to figure out what's going on in Old yes he wasn't so to rate part old fire station well I mean there's there's some possibilities let me have so what here for the most part is we want to keep old fire stationers Economic Development property you know if we had you know the brewery or something like that come in let me do some more research on what we can do at the wastewater treatment plant because we've already in the budget there's 20 to $30,000 we've got to rehab the lab facility that we have out there it's extremely old past in of life so maybe there's a possibility we just

expand off of that or uh what about if it's not a we could do because we do have restroom facilities in the lab already so those be updated I'm saying we can say we can we can continue to look and think about that do we have the room build 40 by 60 F you know maybe uh you know something they drive one vehicle through the and stuff and front the offices new restrooms you know at that cost our metal structure you know you know we're not looking at building a large commercial something [Music] so let me look into the water har stuff a little bit more also as we bring along this Bond project we're doing improvements to the Wastewater Plant maybe that's the time we put something in permanently over there right now temporary something I like Cameron's idea them having move them to this office while we're doing all the research and get them spoiled and move them somewhere else but that sounds like a good plan because that's my

opinion yeah Charles was already drawing up on his board what he's going to do and everything else so I was in there and that's okay did any want to talk about [Music] cow to go back I will just start the chamber house start with a little house my opinion on it there's a better use I think the opportunity is is there to utilize that as kind of a different what we got some of the other kind of check Museum we've got the museum right now that sits inside the Civic Zone you know some of that stuff be moveed to that house and then you set up the other bedrooms because essentially y yall know the history on us better than I do but you know do we set that up as a traditional house with those type of room set ups add some quilts or something it's also kind of near and dear to to call you know on the this is not my [Laughter] thing hard run the city not not be an interior decorator sorry I'm trying you understand what I'm saying exactly what you're tring to say go ahead then I know exactly what you were saying

to set up the house like set up the kitchen like and use the stuff that's in the museum from a kitchen in there yes absolutely get it I think it's a brilliant idea [Music] like the or the museum to speak up know the Texas they bought that house Tober ROV so there is OPP also agreement with them they have house so then that way they basically but is that is that house big enough for all what they're going to bring all their records and stuff I don't know that's why I didn't I just the only thing and I've talked to the mayor about it and I see her every now and then and uh the if if you're going to move or offer that building to the gene geneological thank you uh people that's great but if if you if we were moving that museum museum to the house and not having people there if something happened I mean one thing was stolen or broken she'd never get

reelected they would blame her because but you're talking about not during operating hours you're talking about like a genuine Breakin no going through if nobody's there you can't leave it open because I gu somebody say oh that's neat I'm GNA take that and it only takes one and the person family that donated that okay well you can put it all behind glass okay so when someone visits the museum at the Civic Center is Chad walking behind them like this it could very well happen in the Civic Center same thing if someone's going to steal they're going it's not but it's not well it isad but you wouldn't let someone enter the museum what I'm saying is if you say you've got Chad working the counter and there's nothing else going on and someone wants to go through the museum could he just go unlock or do you say hours of the museum are X dat ex time does it have to remake the the museum at the courthouse is not open all the time CER House museum is not open all the time check Heritage Museum is not open all the time so none of those open museums are open only on specific dates and times so does ours have to remain open all the time but if we're not if we're not moving it it doesn't matter but what I'm saying if you moved it to the Vic call house if you moved it there what is the point of at

the was it established or formed or because it's a Civic Center just as something toate visitor experience and I've been there twice and I had met two people that were going through the museum and they were from C had been to C 30 years and couldn't believe how cwell had the fire station and had this Civic Center and other stuff and I spent what probably 35 minutes with one of them of going over what all the city's doing so I mean people do go through there but I'm out there all the time so I don't know to your point it helps us keep that is a visitor center as well and if we're not moving the seniors there if we're going to if the plan is to utilize this space then there really no reason to to pull that out which your idea of the geneological society being termin agreement we don't have agreement well we do but it's from 2005 so would you sell the house or lease the house to the genealogical what the ramifications are going to be if the city you know because the chamber is another of a visiting C so I'm just asking a question and we are

the largest city in the county um but the name of it is now called County Chamber of Commerce it's yeah in the agreement read the agreement it was supposed to be just chamber call chamber ofer but now it's called bur County so and it's the chamber benefits not just businesses in buron County but the chamber has members from brazes County Washington County L County all over so my question is why is the city of cwell supporting something that that entity is supporting all over does that make sense so option one I think probably hits on what you're talking about I mean if we want to keep the chamber in there we restructure that that's it's well I to keep going back to when my dad and when they were trying to attract businesses here they the chamber actually acted like an EDC that's what they did and and they didn't have the rules that they had nowadays because uh Keller ladder Factory that moved here Bill offered my dad F to Florida and the

guy said Well we'd love to but we need a second building the same size and they said right on spot no questions didn't have the authority we'll build another building like that he they said there Mo callway you can't do stuff like that nowadays so the chamber back then that's why it was so important but now it's it's it's important different function I mean there's been talks at EDC meetings too about the function of the EDC changing a little bit too so if we want to put a hold on that one and we can start drafting a lease I me it's up to Y all most [Music] Chambers facil if if we relase it can we put stipulations in there that they can't support the sign with cinder blocks I mean the chamber is supposed to be the first place people go to ask questions about your city is that not correct or inquiring about bu I hate to honestly if if we start charging rent it's not going okay but my I understand that we haven't charged her charged them in years okay but so what is the city of Somerville and the City of snook who are reaping the same benefits from the chamber what are they putting into that chamber off nothing so the city of calwell and not

even the county solely responsible for the Chamber of Commerce at one point they help but I know was was wasn't enough for the city of call to support it so that they wrot in and made it F County fber coner course then that just rais a bunch of negative stuff and then eventually focus more on the city of which they still run the corrup isn't isn't that the reason the EDC is thinking about basically dissolving in each City have their own EDC I think there's a lot of different ideas out there but I like I said I go to me and there year year and a half and I went to three and they were still on the first meeting that went to the year and a half later so nobody makes a decision do you guys have an opinion about the Chamber of Commerce office here possible this is probably work good downtown yeah I know it's a touchy deal and if not we we at least we still need to restructure the leaks if they stay there to where you know they're going to start taking care more of the maintenance you know just have more accountability

responsibility I think it needs to be there the Civic Center whole thing is the Civic Center is you make that work [Music] too be two more people okay so so tell me how that would work yeah I'm not in favor of that unless they report to me could you I don't know how much space so USP off the front then the center and one of the bedrooms on the back corner where and then where the EDC used to have office and other that I guess the whole thing other than that that room is in use now majority St yeah I'm sure it's stories now so when you walk into the city center is it called the vi call room there's a black there is that a large enough space for Susan the director to be housed in the city C so you're not you're just moving them

you're not you know well it wouldn't be enough for all the personnel [Music] no she's got two I mean if somebody goes to they go to basically visiting I think get more people but one of our no so when you walk into the city I know what you're talking a little curtain it's kind of hidden yeah but we we we H that's where we held our training the other day on annexation and it's only like that the room we're talking about that four chairs we I mean we could barely this and I were in there and that was that's about [Music] it curreny you can move the chamber no I'm saying for events like that we're going to be training yeah but I was saying for office that's not it's not our office room it's really a table and four chairs and the we had a computer to just look at if you got three personnel you got to have computers and everything else I would assume to run the office build they need some

work so if these upgrades were done and pain said we paint the brick pain brick it looks nice said then we do this reservation made more professional call it and at that time we ta agreement and you know have look have you been in the building no I haven't been in that building not sure how much we would have to do in order to renovate that go back look Ada improvements yeah I mean things of that Su and at that time is it cost prohibitive to to dive into that yeah po down what's on the back side of I mean I know there's store Room Store St what else is back there that's there's dressing rooms there's two dressing rooms and rest we put the chamber there and then use redo the doors and that way you have the door to the chamber you advertise it on that side have the center on the come there's just more room there than up at the front where where the museum is for the chamber we're not going to use the dress I mean how many plays are we going to have there for dress unit so that all that back back there's just wasted space sitting there I know

stor my L I appreciate it appreciate but I think we could find something else to where some other place to store that stuff me right right but I'm just thinking there's more room back there if we change the I mean have to change out the doors can't have solid doors make it more attractive for people because there is two or three parking spots right there that you can park park right there for visitors to come for the chamber let us look into that one because that's not extremely this building that we own but like I said the thing the only thing that bothers me about that is why is the county snook and Somerville not paying into that could she not ask them hey the city is providing this building can you chip in uh $200 a month for rent from snook summerill in the county something 500 a month isn't it the city does not get the money at that point you think pull out own it's too cheap [Music] I think they

were they had an audit they said the audit turned out good so I don't know what good mean it could be negative number too you know think of inflation probably hurting theml I yeah but I do I feel like that these other because I think we asked her the last time you know that we gave them hot funs about other cities and I think she was going toward you know to them because they agreed to the hot so I don't know why they wouldn't agree to help how you know I'm sure we wouldn't over but I just saw I just happened today I was I'm trying to get everything filed away and I saw the last time one of them she asked for $30,000 on the hot funds and of course you know we've since set L know we'll do some communic with her and see what staff needs are and kind of space needs and come back and revisit them okay what's Library building they need to discuss right we have Direction on that as work [Music] out okay discussion on designating a

specific day each month for the council to conduct a workshop meeting separate from the monthly council meeting okay that was my suggestion I did not send that but my but my wife was in a hurry she used my computer that's send that so because we have um things separate than official City business to talk about and that includes projects around the community items just like this today and um I would just like to set a specific day preferably not a Tuesday um that we can meet and if we have nothing for the agenda then it would simply be cancelled like a Wednesday at 5:30 p.m. Wednesday at 6 once a month we could do it if we're meeting on the third Tuesday we can meet on the third Wednesday and just if y'all have any input on that appreciate your discussion Mondays and Wednesdays and I don't know yet what Tuesdays and Fridays it doesn't have to be at least I'm just playing football [Music] something what and and to say volleyball is just a temporary sport you know well is anything on money okay but like I said just is it even something we want to do guys is it

something that's needed is it something we want to do or do we want to do them just random like we did today the third of the month third of the month would it be that Wednesday I plan my whole year around all that you all talking tues yeah one or might not might Beth we don't have sure or do we want to just do them randomly it doesn't matter to me can we consider this maybe maybe we schedule two months and a one time do you see what I'm saying sure because generally you're because there are certain parts of the year you're doing more and stuff like that so like right now up until probably after the budget is released you know that may need to be more frequent and you get time with people vacation whatever I mean I'm just making a comment but maybe we set two instead of one because we generally have more to talk about than right Gary has PL I got PL but but but I have I was just mention earlier I I have more ability to discuss if I was out in the crowd than I did up here I can't bring up something that's not on the agenda to discuss and y'all have great ideas is pro tonight so I'd like to bring stuff and then y'all try to

provide input input to make it better I don't care my idea is not right your idea may be the best thing in the world and I didn't even think about it but we can't even talk there and if I go to Camden poor Camden sees me and he he probably going to want to keep going out the back door yeah and and uh but I but but J since we're we're since we're talking about this Janes and I have dat night on Sunday night we ride around Carwell and I have a list of numerous things and so I what I've done is I started using the reporter just put put it on the reporter but there's things that I'd like to be able to address what y'all y'all may have a great better idea than me going to Camden and in Camden we it's just us well no matter how we establish the workshop I mean what I'm hearing is we got a dedicated day or we continue to do it the way that we have and we say we need to have a workshop what they work for the council so that's that's that's the discussion here the discussion that you're having it really doesn't change that much unless we put those items on the agenda and in that casee you can sponsor it you got to have somebody else that wants to jump in with you to to add that so what I hate to ask you but should I bring more stuff to you I mean you can or is it working to do the the citizens reporter well some of it is is not that type of discussion you can start with me St by dinner I'll ride around with you on Sunday [Music]

night you're welcome to ride with me any time can start discusss because I I just want there's things you you don't I know you can't see everything I know you can't nobody can't but there's things that that are that I have uh like I said I still going to need to talk to you sometime this week but uh it's just things that like tonight the discussion was so good to hear other people's views you can't you can't yeah that's it no did you not go to training on there no I'm I'm bringing this up because I I'm somewhat there's things that that I think would make the the city better and and low cost I understand start okay I think that's a great idea okay so you can't comment about something I mean certain things you can the administrative El I'm going diver you on and usually that's just you're doing any kind of thank yous appreciations public announcements public announcements to answer your question said I see this issue right here and we can't discuss it because it's not okay maybe not there but just make somebody other people aware of it yeah

we do that I me yeah I wouldn't rep anything I mean saw oh god oh come on C Cameron that's a bad idea don't give him any suggestions either no I'm just saying really it's frustrating to me that we can't discuss it well you have to keep in mind open records I understand the ACT is because you want to be transparent with your citizens if you discuss things that are not on the agenda and they know are aware that you discussed it then you're going against that act yeah and I don't want to you want to make sure yeah you want to make sure that your citizens are aware of everything you talk about oh thank you thank you you know too okay so how about we start with and only be one or two like every time and it won't be the list but just to start working on and some of them you may say we can take care of that next administrative elected official report so so on that it's normally the agenda is put together Friday morning yeah on Friday morning but it's either proed work it's either I put it on the agenda our two council members come together Le because then we at least we know we're going to have conversation just one person going I want to put these 100 things on there and nobody wants to discuss it useless right if it's not going anywhere

then there's no need to bring so that's that's why we've got that set up I'm happy to sit with you we we figure it out figure out how we want to put it on the agenda it requires exec session just talk about through those thingsbody if it's a project like that I'm going invol I don't have I don't I don't have anything because I'll be talking [Music] to session RCP Grant planning planning building codes blood damage prevention did you pass oh I did I pass congratulations but yeah so 5:30 at Center on a 27 we are sending notices in the ility bills front is English back is Spanish go every customer so get a call about it going out tomor so we will do a notice on social media probably two weeks before it should be posted on the website tomorrow but I wanted to make sure that everyone in the community was aware

to to pay back off of that so if y'all will be thinking from now to then some of the things we take a look at the variances we've done in the past you know um what what kind of things like that do we want to Encompass in the development of this or you know we had a developer come talk to us today about you know what's the minimum lot size I I can put in here you know of course we we know what's established right now but this is in a newer subdivision so you know we we have conversations like that at this meeting we may bring the concept of this particular neighborhood back at an earlier meeting to move this down the road but keep those things in mind you want to Google aot topic is developments Google that and then look at some and see how went to tppa last week it was really good what does that Texas power no uh the uh open house for the city hall uh we decided to move it to later in the fall maybe October I think we talked about um and we're going to do more of

a citizen appreciation appreciation they'll call it open house right so we'll uh have U course refreshments and then maybe do a scheduled anyone who would like to visit the city hall or take a tour of the new building we'll do a scheduled time throughout the day so that people can attend and that way we have the Manpower and make it easier on staff so that's all I have good uh last concert is the 10th uh um it's going be a lot of fun everybody come on out J so we have this session whatever if you you got something that you want staff to look into or you just got an announcement of I love the city of cwell well I'm fine with that because you're asking me directly kind providing response it's not something I that's so for the a meeting we should have the details for we should have both Glo projects come back we should also have the uh flood study the extended flood study come back as well we've already heard some good results on that so all that will come back in a okay and um the two studies that's for the and temp um hopefully with that we've already

we've kind of seen a preview of it we're looking for some uh pricing quotes to put some of that into place already so bring that in a okay so what it looks like right now is that cover there on Temple Street is actually a bottle so we need to remove that and the recommendation is to leave that open ditch like where it is in house all the way until it runs out basically years ago when they had one and they so metal frame with concrete PS oniz and top but the frame structur good but uh so at that's Point that's what we would request for all that area some so yeah we'll bring all that back and looking at first step is going to be getting that c we need to stabilize that with that c there which you see there a lot of CH circling through there the water can't get out so it turns and starting to road that road B temperature we need to do something sooner rather clean back out so wide already swirling and put dirt back in actually yes and then find a way to stabilize that and then we should

that all right have uh we're just going to adjourn thanks good good good good