Planning & Zoning Commission - Regular Meeting

All right, we're going to get this uh meeting started. Somebody make a motion to approve all the items on the consent calendar. Uh do you have to do attendance first? Oh, sorry. I'm reading my cheat sheet and it doesn't say that. That's my attendance, please. Zamora Guyire here. Harmon here. Bros, here. Larson. Vance here. Whitbeck. Okay. Can I get a motion to approve all the items on the consent calendar? So moved. I second. All in favor? I I

All right. I ask the commission if you guys can hold your questions on the on the application until the applicant has had a chance to present and or limit their questions of staff following their presentation to those they don't think the applicant will be able to answer in their own presentation. There's the opening statement. A quasi judicial hearing involves the consideration of a land use request such as an annexation, a reszone classification, or approval of a subdivision preliminary plat. The public hearing procedure is required by the Idaho code are as follows. Oral and written testimony will be accepted from those who have signed in to speak prior to the hearing being declared open. When providing testimony, please come to the podium. State your name, address, which will be included in the record. Staff will first present a report regarding the application being considered. Public testimony. The applicant or applicant's representative will present a summary of requests. 10 minutes. Testimony of those in support will be taken, followed by those in a neutral position, and finally those in an opposition to the request. Note, all public testimony will be limited to three minutes or less. In the interest of time, please refrain from repeating topics that have already been presented. The applicant will be offered the opportunity to provide rebuttal testimony. After the rebuttal testimony is given, the public testimony portion of the public hearing will be closed and a new oral or written testimony will be allowed. Looks like there's no old business, so we'll get on to the new business. Case number SUB24-00000012. Staff is requesting this item to be continued to the December 10th hearing date. Do I have a motion to move this date to December 10th?

So moved. Second. All in favor? I. Do we need to take role on that? No.

All right. So, we'll get on to our next item. Case number CPM25-0000001 and Z A25-0000002. A request by the city of Caldwell for an amendment to the comprehensive plan appendances appendix H to update the capital improvement plan impact fee study and development impact fees for police and fire to include approval of the associated resolution and zoning ordinance text amendment to chapter 10 article 3 staff.

Good evening commissioners Morgan Bau planning and zoning. Um the application in front of you this evening is a city of Caldwell request to update the comprehensive plan for the adoption of an updated traffic impact fee study, capital improvements plan and development impact fees for police and fire as well ordinance text amendment to amend uh chapter 10 article 3 of the city code to reference the new study prepared by Tishlice who will present after me. Idaho code requires that cities have a comprehensive plan and if the city is imposing development impact fees that they must prepare a capital improvement plan and such plan must be adopted and included as an element of the comprehensive plan. Idaho code further mandates that capital improvement plans be updated once every 5 years and since the last update to the police and fire impact fees was in 2020, the city was statutoily required to update the plan which requires them to apply for a comprehensive plan amendment to include as part of the comp plan. But we have our impact fees in the current plan as one of the appendices. So this would be switching it out for the new impact fee plan. Um with that an ordinance text amendment is required to update the reference in city code to the new report which will be presented to you after this. So components of the plan were reviewed for compliance with Idaho code. Tisher Bias met with the city's impact fee advisory committee as is required by Idaho code and they made a recommendation for approval. The letters in your packet. Uh the capital improvement plan and development impact fees were analyzed for conformance with the city's goals and policies of the comp plan and the proposed tax amendment was reviewed for conformance with city code and as well as Idaho code and they were all found to be in conformance which is detailed in your staff report. Notice was provided to all political subdivisions providing services within the planning jurisdiction, including

schools. ITD and Nampa Highway District 1 responded with no comments or concerns. The letter of recommendation for approval, which was received from the codal impact fee advisory committee is in your packet in this section under um agency comments. And due to this being a legislative item, no public mailing notifications were required. And legal ads for the public hearing were published, but no public comments have been received to date. As I mentioned, there is a staff analysis in the staff report showing that the um impact fees were in compliance with and the ordinance were in compliance with the city code for both the text amendments and the comp plan amendments. There is only one condition of approval outlined in your staff report. Um, it's seen on the screen. As recommended by the Caldwell impact fee advisory committee, development impact fees for police and fire shall be reviewed annually to ensure that they remain fair, equitable, and aligned with both the city's capital improvement needs and the community's capacity to sustain responsible growth. And so staff summary is that we recommend that if the commission recommends for approval um that it's subject to that condition as was specified in your staff report and I would hand it over to our consultant to present the plan.

Thank you.

Yeah, great. Thank you, Morgan. Um I'm Colin Muini with Tishler Bice uh the consultant that the city hired to update their impact fees in CIP. Um wanted to uh I guess introduce myself the firm but also go through some impact fee fundamentals kind of what they are what they aren't since since you are sort of updating this in the comp plan. Um and then actually going through some of the fee analysis to sort of give you an idea of kind of how we got those maximum supportal fee amounts. Um and then open up for any questions um that the board commission might have. Um here's a sort of laundry list of of all of our clients throughout Idaho. Um including the city of Caldwell. We we um did their study 5 years ago. Um I think it's important to show sort of sort of we we understand, you know, the interworking of Idaho, but but also the um the sort of prevalence of impact fees throughout the state and how important it is. You know, the cities continue to um get restrictions on property tax, how much they can grow those budgets. Um and as the communities continue to grow, there's there's these infrastructure costs associated with growth. Um and impact fees are are one way to sort of mitigate those costs. Um so you're seeing this um you know through through the panhandle of Boner County, Coupney County um really all throughout the Treasure Valley and then um as you go east through Twin and and Idaho Falls, you're going to see impact fees as well. Um, so impact fees, you know, just high level here. These are one-time payments that new growth pays to offset their new demand on infrastructure. Um, in this case, when we're thinking infrastructure tonight, it's it's fire stations, um, fire engines or fire apparatuses is the term there. Um, and then police station sort of brick and mortar police stations and and sort of heavier vehicles that have a 10-year useful life or longer. Um so it's when the building typically when the building permit is issued you pay the pay the impact fee um that's collected and then put into impact fee funds um to then be used for those those applicable um infrastructure expansion

projects to accommodate that growth. Um we prepare a nexus study so I don't know how many pages it is 80ome pages uh which hits on three things need benefit and proportionality. Um you want to ensure that there's a need for impact fees. So essentially, you have this capital improvement plan, this CIP that lists out infrastructure, future infrastructure expansions that are growth related that we're saying, hey, we're growing at a good clip. We need to expand our fire stations, add new fire stations, add new engines associated with those fire stations. Um, and so there's a need to collect impact fees and fund it um through those um re revenue arrangements. Um the impact fee programs have to be benefit benefit the fee payer. Um so you'll see in state code that it says um within eight years these impact fee dollars have to be spent. Does say 11 years in extraordinary circumstances but um really I think on our end we we're sort of somewhat vetting these CIPs as well because we don't want to see a city just sort of collecting impact fees and not really having any use for them. No plans to use those dollars. you really shouldn't just be kind of stockpiling the cash without without expending it um in an appropriate manner that you're providing that benefit to the people that pay for it. Um you also may see service areas uh in these impact fee studies. you haven't done it um for the city of Caldwell, but if you're sort of um thinking through other impact fees throughout um at least the Treasure Valley actually, I know ACD um Ada County Highway District is looking at two service areas for their impact fee program because there's specific CIPs in the western part of the um Ada County and specific um projects in the eastern part of Ada County. And so they're sort of separating that or or at least proposing that um just to ensure that there's a nexus between dollars being collected and where they're um what infrastructure projects they're funding. Um in this case with with a city especially in um police services and fire services um we're saying any police

station expansion project is providing benefit to all residents. All fire station expansion is is providing and expanding fire service to to all residents. And so everyone's sort of benefiting from it. And so we're using one one service area approach there. Um and then lastly, the fee has to be proportionate. So we're really only thinking about that growth related capital cost, but then also um you're going to see a handful of land uses, development types in in the final fee schedule here. Um because single family has a different demand than multif family, which is different than retail and office and industrial. Uh and you want to make sure that that fee is proportionate to that demand. Um, importantly, um, we're really only thinking new capital or if you've actually oversized a facility and issued debt, you can use future impact fees to service the growth related portion of that debt. Um, and although there might be operational um impacts by growth, we can't use impact fees for to hire new firefighters, to hire new police officers, just sort of following state code there. Um, also if there's maintenance um, related cost or repairs like leaky roof, that's also not an impact fee eligible um, cost because it wasn't the new homes that came in that that caused that leaky roof, right? That that's that's a cost generally on the the general fund. Um, but I got a um, park examples. Parks generally tend to be the easiest ones to sort of understand um, eligibility. So if you have a net new playground, right, we just sort of buy new land, put playground equipment on it. that would be 100% growthrelated. Um, replacing that rusty slide would not be impact fee eligible. And then you're you're going to see some examples where um portions of projects would be eligible for impact fee funding. In this case, if you're replacing something that exists there today, but expanding the capacity, the the use of that facility, uh that expanded capacity could be impact fee eligible. So, give an example here. So, we're going 400 square feet playground

to a,000. um 60% there could be impact fee funded uh more sort of specifics in Idaho here um kept in interest bearing accounts um dollars have to be spent says again eight years but we do have 11 years is extraordinary circumstances um we need to have an impact fee advisory committee so they they do a couple of things they meet annually to review these CIPs that also the cash flow in but the expenditures of those to make sure that there there's oversight on on the dollars being used um but they also meet I think we met three or four times to review the assumptions and capital improvement plans in these reports um to get the vetting on that. um they have boots on the ground to understand you know cost but also um a few of them have to be within the development community and so they they also provide um input on hey you know if you're proposing this fee this might be an overburden on growth this might actually sort of slow growth down um and and we sort of gather those inputs and review through that that um committee there um have to update these every five years um as was mentioned um and importantly the infrastructure that we're talking about has to have a 10year useful life or longer Um and you're seeing there's sort of specific categories. So utilities, roads, parks, law enforcement, fire and EMS. Um following state code there. Um sort of went into the uh development impact fee advisory committee already, but the DEFAC um sort of a mixture of of residents and and sort of reviewing these assumptions, meeting annually to to provide oversight of these funds and the program. Um, as mentioned, they they recommended 100% of the maximum um that you'll see at the end here. But also another big discussion we had is is potentially um assessing residential fee impact fees based on the square footage of the home. Um, and it's actually something that's becoming more and more common because um you'll see, you know, a single family fee. And so for all all

single family homes, no matter the size, they'll be all assessed the same fee. But um especially in the current market, we're seeing smaller single family homes being built. So they're paying the same fee as as a 4,000 square foot home. Um and I know Boise Meridian do their impact fees by square footage. Um it's becoming more it's it's it's been around for quite some time, especially in um resort communities where there's this sort of bifurcation of like luxury homes that are 8,000 square feet and you're more sort of general, you know, population down here. And so, um, that's been around for, I guess, probably 15 years at least. I know up in Sandp Point, we've been doing it for for at least three updates now up there by by the square footage. Um, the reason why we can't do it just yet is that the um administrative software that's used um to actually assess the fees um cannot handle that that approach just yet. Um, so we we have to update the park impact fees next year and and I think the city is actually going through a possible update of that software. So hopefully at that time um we can um incorporate the fee schedule by square footage for all categories, not just parks. Um I guess any questions when we're thinking about like um impact fees in general before I go into sort of the this the study? No. Okay. Um just working my way through here. So the study updates. So when we do these comprehensive updates, um we're really sort of looking at every single element of these calculations. So um things to consider are inflation over the last five years. You know, firet trucks have now really doubled in cost. What was maybe half a million dollars for an engine is now over a million dollars. Um we think about levels of service. um CIPs to make sure that um we're collecting for what's needed, but also we're not overcolcting. Sometimes you might see a reduction in a impact

fee to make sure that we're um you know appropriately collecting a reduced CIP. Um so making sure that sort of all sort of melds together. Um right now the city of Caldwell is charging a uniform impact fee for all residential developments. So even even every single family home, every multif family home is is paying one fee and same on the commercial side listed here as non-residential um fee. All commercial development is paying the same. And so you'll see that the proposed maximums here break it out by single family, multif family, and then you're going to have retail, office, industrial um and in a handful actually a handful of industrials there. Um just to make sure that the fees a bit more proportionate, you know, a bit more precise, let's say. Uh but currently collecting about 200 bucks there uh for police impact fees every home, thousand bucks um per home for fire. So right now we're collecting about 1 $1,200 $1,300 per home for for fire parks and fire. Importantly that the city does collect for uh parks which we're not addressing tonight. Um and there's um I think discussions of of a road impact fee from the um highway district. Um going into the fire analysis, um same approach was taken for police um but it's called incremental expansion. And so essentially we've quantified that current level of service um and brought it into dollars when we're looking at um the current um cost, you know, associated with building a new fire station and purchasing a new fire engine. Um so essentially that final dollar amount represents the cost to serve every new resident that comes into town. So um they will pay that impact fee to sort of contain or sort of stabilize the current level of service, gather dollars, you know, through that revenue source and then build uh or sort of complete our CIP um as we collect those dollars to continue today's level of service into the future. Um this is based the fees assessed on residential

and non-residential demand. Um we examined call data, call for service data for parks and fire or sorry police and fire um to understand you know what what um call volumes coming from residential development, what call volumes coming from non-residential development to find that proportionality. Um collecting for fire facilities or or station expansion. Um that's both could be um expansion of an existing station or building a brand new station. Um apparatus or those fire engines and other fire response units. Um equipment is included in here. Um equipment that has a 10-year useful life has been sort of interpreted as as being a public facility to continue um providing fire service. Um also communications equipment is included in here. Smaller amounts but but does help alleviate as much burden as possible that growth has on our general fund. Um and also actually the impact fee studies themselves can be paid through the impact fee revenues. Um here's an example of that that level of service analysis for fire stations. Um a little wrinkle here is actually we're looking at a future level of service, a 2028 level of service because the city's actually secured bond financing to build um or expand station one and build station 4. Um and so essentially we're saying um after those those construction projects in 2028, we're going to have our sort of future level of service, the sort of invested level of service that we can collect that impact fee on. Um at that point, we'll have 44,000 square feet of station space between those four um stations. Um and then you're seeing a column there that's percent of responses and that's percent of call responses going to the city of Caldwell. Um, right now the city also has a contract for service to the rural fire district. And so we actually wanted to um essentially reduce the the facility inventory here to account for that external demand. Um, and that's

about, you know, about 10% of those calls are going to non city of Caldwell development. Um, so we wanted to make sure that we're not sort of overcalculating that demand and attributing it all to um, city of Caldwell development. Um, so instead of the 44,000 square feet, we're looking at 39,000 square feet. Um, just kind of following through that that big figure there. Um, through call data, um, we found that 88% of those calls were to residential locations, um, 12 to non-residential locations. And so that's where we sort of find that proportionate split there. um compare those square footages to that future population in non-residential vehicle trips to get that current facility or I guess that future facility level service of 408 square feet per thousand people. Um and then as we sort of f go further down in that figure, we bring this into dollars looking at the future anticipate construction cost of of fire station space in Caldwell and that's about $800 per square foot. Um so we multiplied that level of service by cost of construction to get capital cost per person of $327. Um now this is the CIP um that the fire department put together. So you're going to see um station one and four kind of on the top there. Um both being funded with the bond but also actually existing impact fee funds. Um so no future impact fees are moving forward into the future are going to be spent on station one and four and we'll be focusing on five and six um and those out years there. Um then going down the the um plan here with the apparatuses we have handful of engines and other units that we um have to purchase to to sort of outfit those new stations. Um and then smaller um equipments comms equipment those are essentially devices at at um intersections. So the the fire engines can sort of switch the the lights at the intersections to help them respond

quicker. Um total plan there over 10 years is five or sorry 51.4 million. Um what's attributed to growth is $28 million. So sort of working at the bottom line there. Um and then impact fee revenue over the next 10 years is about 16.7 million. Um we're going to use um what's in the coffers right now um through to the tune of $3.3 million. Um and so there's other funding needed um about $31 million to to complete this. Most of that being the bond. Um and there's other elements here that aren't growth related too. Um so we're sort of looking at a larger plan. Um but pretty substantial. Yeah. Um final fees here. Um so instead of sort of working through each one of the slides um or sort of or sort of steps in the calculation I sort of bring in the sum here. Um so we do that level of service analysis for stations apparatus equipment comms equipment and actually the cost of the study. Um so we have a gross total um and then there are um other revenue sources that are being used to complete that CIP, the gross share of that CIP and we want to ensure that we're not double collecting on future homes. Um and so that essentially that homeowner will will end up paying the fee when they purchase the home. Um but they'll also be paying property tax going towards that bond that was used to expand um station one and four. Um and so we actually reduce the impact fee um tune of $81 there per person to account for that those future bond payments so we're not double collecting on those new homes. Um same thing is done actually for a lease to own um um agreement that the city has for three apparatuses. Um so smaller there but but um again wanting to make sure that if we're charging to expand our fleet that we're we're reducing that um to account for other revenues that are coming from

those homes. Um, so that totals there $417 per person or $70 per non-residential vehicle trip. And then on that bottom figure there, you're seeing um really that proportionality of those different um land use types. So a single family home in Caldwell has about three people. Um so in the green there, that maximum portal fee amount is calculated by multiplying the $417 by the the three people per person. Um and that's a $200 increase um from that sort of base uniform current fee. Uh on the multif family side, that's about $800 per unit. Um that's per unit. So you build a 20 unit apartment building, you pay 20x that amount. Um and then on the commercial side down below, um that's listed by sort of their um greatest demand all the way down to sort of lowest demand per thousand square feet. Um, so we're seeing actually decreases for all developments except for retail. Retail is going up by $460 per thousand square feet. Um, and that's actually pretty common to see because you have that uniform fee right now for all commercial development. So that's basically the average of all development. And then when we break that out, some are going to be decreasing, some are going to be increasing. In this case, retail um increasing um industrial, we're going to see pretty pretty good decreases there. Uh moving along to police. Um same methodology was taken. Um we're looking at call data assessing that based on residential non-residential demand. Um police facilities so sort of brick and mortar police station space heavy ve vehicles. I made sure that we sort of listed as heavy vehicles because patrol vehicles in Caldwell are being um turned over less than 10 years and so we can't use impact fees to buy um new patrol vehicles. But there are heavy heavier vehicles that have a longer life than 10 years that we can use impact fees for.

Um some smaller equipment um more like sort of body armor, radios and weaponry have a 10 year useful life or longer um and also the share of the study. Um so very similar kind of redundant uh slide here but this is this sort of station space that's in the ground today 32,000 square feet. uh finding that proportionate split, comparing that to today's population to get 300 square feet per thousand people. Uh looking at the CIP cost, they anticipate about um $650 per square foot to expand. Um actually in this case, you'll see a precinct, a second precinct or second location. Um and that's based on a recent construction over there in Meridian. Um here's the police CIP. Um so we have a handful of um sort of smaller facility needs training facility um crime specialists in training range there. Um and then a large precinct um 10 years out about 14,000 square feet um in current dollars that's 9.5 million bucks. Um all of that could be growth related and all that actually will be recovered um through impact fees over that 10-year frame. Um a little bit of um couple vehicles there. um new animal control vehicle and command vehicle, some equipment. Um so the total plan about 11.5 million dollars, most of that being growth related. Um and 10 million coming from future impact fees. Um we have about $841,000 in the bank today for police impact fee funds. Um and that's going to the sort of the first first couple um projects on the list. Um and we'll need other revenues about $427,000 to fully fund that plan. Um here's a sort of very similar figure but for the police maximum portal fee amounts. Um in this case there's no other revenues um specifically going to those um capital projects. So there's no reductions. Um $211 per person multiplied by the number of people per

home gets us $641 per single family home. Um this case we're seeing increases both on multif family and in um single family. Um and also actually increases for nearly all um non-residential development types there. Um self storage is the only one there that that sees a slight decrease from what's being collected today. U retail seeing a pretty substantial increase. Right now we got 90 bucks per thousand square feet. This would go up to 1,600 um dollars per thousand square feet. Um here's summary table. police and fire. Um, again, keep in mind there's there's parks and and potentially roads. Um, but I just want to sort of hone in on on what we're talking about tonight. Um, total there, maximum $1,900 for a single family home. Um, 1,200 for per multif family unit. Um, getting increases for retail, office, and industrial, and then decreases for uh institutional, which is health care and education. Um, and then those sort of smaller or lesser impactful um industrial types. Um lastly, here's a comparison of impact fees, police and fire impact fees being collected throughout the Treasure Valley. Um so we're kind of looking at, okay, if you build a a single family home in Boise, Eagle Star, Cuna, Napa, Caldwell, Middleton, and Meridian, what your police uh fire impact fees would look like. Um some of that being collected by actually fire districts. Let's say like, you know, the Eagle City doesn't have a fire department. There's there's an Eagle Fire District there. Um so right now actually um the the parks or sorry police parks the police and fire impact fees right now in Caldwell are actually below at the bottom of this list in the 1900 just kind of puts us sort of right in the middle there. Um I put the dates also. So those were the dates those studies were last updated just to give you a sense of um well you know if we didn't capture if we didn't account for inflation um you know city of Eagle will be updating their fees

soon enough here and and that probably will be increasing um just accounting for inflation. Um just some considerations too. I think this might be my last slide. Um the advisory committ committee recommended 100% of those maximums. Um city council can adopt lower right. So that's the maximum the study supports. We can go below that. Um any comments, inputs from from PNZ tonight will also be passed along to city council. Um these CIPs, you know, incorporated in the comp plans. Uh and we do have a public hearing or the city has to have a public hearing for for um the city council adoption of these new ordinances. So that was it.

Perfect. Thank you. Yeah. Uh any questions by commissioners? Uh yeah, so uh staff has recommended a condition of approval for an annual review. How much of this extensive analysis would have to be repeated to support such an annual review?

That's a great question, Commissioner. Um typically and this is already being done in other other cities like I know Nampa is doing this um is that these committees are will meet this your committee will meet um to review basically the the cash flows in and the cost also the cost estimates of like the fire engines and the C basically those costs in the CIP um because if we go through another like high inflationary period and we're not capturing enough to build that fire station um we you know to make sure that you're capturing those revenues you would want to update update the study which would um mean kind of going through the similar process you know you would have to update the CIP to reflect those cost increases go to ordinance you know fee schedule um on the flip side too if if we've if the city's overestimated those construction costs um then uh and the and the advisory committee is seeing that then the recommendation might be to lower those capital improvement plans the cost associated with them and and the fee you know would would follow that so so it could be a little or it could a lot. Yeah.

Anything else, Debbie? No, I have no other questions. Thank you for a good explanation, though. It was a good explanation. Thank you. I just got one quick question. So, we fund and and I I think I know this answer, but so we fund the fire departments and the police stations, the new stations of the new police station. Do we look into knowing how we're going to staff those since since you know I mean I'm going to go to Star. Star's got a fire station that's sitting there that they built and I get it. They had to use those that money right because it was going to run out. But how do we know that that's going to get staffed properly to challenge?

That's Yeah, that's a great question and a question that we made sure to ask um especially the the the police chief because he's talking about a new precinct, right? And so that's not necessarily just patrol officers, that's admin and keeping lights on and maintaining that building. Um and and to your point too, right, we can get you the dollars to do get get you the brick and mortar, right? But but there's obligations um on the ongoing budget associated with these capital plans. Um and you know, so the impact fees are sort of part of that equation. Um but but the larger part typically is the operating side and and that this would be there's a commitment in these adoptions um that you build those infrastructure but you also operate and maintain that infrastructure and provide that benefit. Um so we have vetted that question with with the police chief and fire chief. Um they understand the sort of intricacies and and um kind of the commitments that are being made through this. Yeah,

Mr. chair, if we could maybe have the finance director maybe address that because that's a budgetary issue and I know that there's safer grants and whatnot with that, but Rayan, would you mind just addressing that what you foresee in the upcoming budget period? Perfect. Thank you.

Sure. Uh Rayan North, uh I I looked at what what was recommended as well as I was asked that same question of how we're going to finance um police and fire officers. And one of the things within the budget process is we look at you know the big talk is station 4 right now. How you know how are we going to fund those officers especially when the station's coming in the next two years. And so that is already built in to where my next revenue projections building that in so that I am staffing those. I'm in conversations with both chiefs to make sure um those are the priorities city council has given me those as the priorities. And so that that's the highest step, you know, um ultimately that decision always comes down to city council. Um but when building the budget, that's kind of the place I start. So

perfect. Thank you, Ran. Thank you. I think there's no more questions. I think you're we're good. Oh, well good. Thank you for your time. Thank you, Mr. Chair. I'm prepared to throw some a motion if we'd like. Okay. Like a little bit of discussion. All right. Yeah. So, we got to go. There's no public testimony. So, we're going to move on to um we don't need the applicant to rebut. Um additional questions by staff by each commissioner. Any no more questions? Okay. Um I need a motion to close public testimony. So moved. Second. Okay. All in favor?

I. All right. Um, now we can go into deliberation.

Yeah. Um, so I'm I'm a little concerned about the open-ended nature of the condition of approval. Currently, the impact advisory committee does meet once a year. They have the authority because they they've been chartered by the city council to ask for an additional analysis if they see fit to do that rather than have an open-ended committee com commitment rather to redo some part small part large part it was unknown of an extensive analysis. I'd rather leave that up to the impact advisory committee rather than the planning and zoning commission incorporating that as a condition of approval. Now

could could we ask staff's um possibly recommendation on that?

So if you guys don't know, I am uh the staff person in charge of the impact fee advisory committee. I'm not on it, but I do assist them. I give them the annual report. Um, and just with any fees, we do an annual review. And so I do look at the data and um, I do look at inflation based off of the engineering news report that comes out um, and make a recommendation. However, the impact fee advisory committee, I take it to them and whether they want to recommend that go to city council or not every year that is that is where I give them the choice. But I do make that recommendation to them every year um when reviewing the fees if of whether inflationary goes up or not. So

So it sounds like we don't actually need the condition of approval. No, that's way I understand that as well. Basically, it's a budgetary issue that's going to be determined by city council. Thank you. Thank you. Anything else? Anybody? Okay, I'll look for a motion.

All right. Based upon the testimony and evidence of um in the record for this matter and upon the findings of fact and conclusions of law set forth therein, I do here uh hereby determine and move to recommend the request for CPM25-1 and Z A25-2 compre comprehensive plan update and zoning ordinance text to be approved. Do I have a second? Second. Roll call. Guyer, yes. Mutos, yes. Harmon, yes. Vance, yes. Okay. Now, do I have a motion to adjurnn?

So moved. Second. All in favor? All right.