Planning Commission - Regular Meeting

With that yeah. After when we're done with the workshop, you'll just have to go administer in the meeting later this evening, but I'll give you the cheat sheet towards the end that you can see. So with that, are you can you call this meeting to order to start?

Okay. I called this meeting to order this workshop.

Excellent. Okay. And so we did the roll call already. And so that's the the first item on the agenda tonight is a workshop. Agenda item two a, presentation and discussion of the airport specific area plan. This item will include a staff and consultant with Logan Simpson who's here, a presentation, commission discussion, and time for questions. Commission may provide input and suggest modifications, but no formal action is required tonight as this is just a workshop. And so with that, we'll just kinda turn we'll turn it over to Mandy to start the session.

Okay. I'll keep it brief,

but hello, everyone. My name is Mandy Woods. I'm a principal planner with development services, and I will just get this kicked off and then I'll turn it over to our consultant here, Terry. So tonight, we're gonna be talking about our airport specific area plan, which we are shortening to the ASAP or the Buckeye ASAP plan. As is kinda customary when we start these long range projects, we typically start with council and planning zoning workshops. So that is why we're here tonight as kinda keep on meeting to introduce

the project. Thank you. And

just to give you an overview of the project team, so we have myself as the project manager on the city side. Jared Dunn, our plan two is assisting as well as Adam and Copeland, of course. And then for our consultants, we have Terry Hogan, project manager of the public system, and then some of the other team members that are assisting with the project. Why.

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And then for the agenda,

this is just what we're gonna go over. We're gonna explain what the ASAP is and why we're doing it. We're gonna go through some of the schedule and process ahead, give an overview of the existing conditions analysis that has been worked on thus far, talk through the public participation component of this plan, and then it'll be time for most of the time to be spent on discussion and on next steps. So with that

So one thing I do want to add before Terry talks is that Carrie's setting up some snacks. This will be very informal collaborative type of discussion. So feel free to grab a bite, take a snack, a drink throughout the presentation. And then I'll turn it over

to Teri.

Alright. Well, thank you Mandy and Adam and good evening, Vice President. My name is Teri Hogan. I'm with the firm Logan Simpson. And for those of you that don't know, I actually retired from the state service about five years ago. I recognize some of you. So I retired out of the city of Buckeye and I've been in the private sector working in cities, towns and counties in Arizona since. So it's exciting for me to be back here and to work on this project with you. It's really near and dear to my heart. I did wanna just quickly also introduce in general, our firm is a land use planning firm.

So we're helping with those aspects of this area plan. We'll kinda talk about that. We have teaming partners on board. Kimberly Warren who's working on our infrastructure, our transportation water resources as it relates to this planning area and then we have Elliot DePolish and Company who's working on economic growth, primarily economic growth for this area as well. So we have some teaming partners that are working with us on this project as well.

So with that, we're gonna talk about what is a specific area plan and I know that most of you are familiar with this area plan in the sense that you've had a few that have probably come through this body in the last couple of years with the downtown area plan as well as the Landings area plan. I believe a few years ago there was also the El Rio District area plan as well. Area plans are similar to your general plan, often call them mini general plans. Your general plan is required by state statute, so every city and town has to have a general plan in place. Area plans also have a statutory basis, but they're not required.

So cities can opt to do those, often times they're put into the city, this one is, put into your city's general plan with a timeframe of when those should happen. Area plans are, we call them kind of mini general plans, but they also have some elements of regulation, so design standards can go on these as well and then you can see that they're layered similar to your general plan so there's different topic areas like open space, land use, circulation that will cover these and then on the left hand side, I just wanted to cover that although this is the airport specific area plan, it will have the airport involved in that but really what we're doing is planning around the airport. So you see around, surrounding, around, There is a plan for the airport, we'll talk a little bit about that inside the fence but the purpose of this area plan is to plan the land uses, the employment areas and the land use surrounding that airport. So that's really important to understand. So why are we doing the airport specific area plan, the area plan?

This really does stem from your general plan that was approved in 2018, ratified by your voters. In that plan, and you guys know this, there were six activity centers in that plan and one of them, I'm gonna just see if I can do this here. Okay. So there we go. So we got a purple block and that's the activity center that's in your general plan.

All the land uses on here are also from your general plan, all these different colors. There were six of the activity centers, they were themed in the general plan. This one, and you can see the language here on the right hand side, so that development wouldn't be held up. So the planning staff and the community knew what the vision for this area was generally speaking. So if someone came in in this area, they could go through the process and develop but the idea was that this would come through a specific area planning process in the short term.

What I do wanna say on this slide is that just like the general plan, speaks to your future land uses. So the land uses that are in your general plan, this also speaks to those so that it's not zoning, it's not regulatory in nature in that regard, but it's more visionary looking out into the future of what someone might want, what the community wants for this area. When you have zone changes that come to this body, those zone changes will have to be in conformance with this plan similar to your general plans if it is approved and adopted by council. And chairman Ragsdale, if anyone wants to ask questions along the way, I'm gonna say a lot of words, feel free to kind of just stop me and just ask questions along the way. We can hold questions at the end as well, but I'm happy to answer questions along the way.

And I'll pause every once in a while and just give a, you know, take a breath and let you guys digest and ask questions. Okay, so again, and this just kind of relates back to the language of your general plan. There were, I don't know how many, a 100 action items of the general plan. This was one of those action items. So a short term action item of the general plan, there's language in the general plan in terms of goals, community goals that direct this effort.

You can see we're looking at compatibility of languages surrounding the airport and we're also looking at a mix of uses. So wanting a mix of uses that supports that airport employment area. Okay, so we do have a project schedule and we did give you a couple of handouts. One of the handouts that you'll see is this project schedule in large size. Sometimes it's handy for people to have just kind of in front of you. There's a lot of information on this and we'll kind of just go around the clock here. This effort is meant to be done by the end of this year. So you can see that there's four phases. We're in kind of and we've named these kind of fun aeronautical names. We're in the pre flight phase.

So this is where we're doing all of our kick off meetings. We're starting our existing conditions analysis and we'll talk a little bit about that, data collection and that sort of thing. We'll get into our take off phase and we're starting to do that in May where we're gonna start having our stakeholder meetings. So landowners in the area, we're gonna be talking to those folks. We're gonna be talking to our technical advisory committee which are made up of planning.

Our engineer group, John Willett is also on our technical advisory committee. Our airport staff, our economic development staff, and I don't believe I've forgotten anyone this time. So we'll be talking and do kickoffs with them. They'll be involved in the process as well. We'll be finalizing that during about the July time frame, give or take, we'll start doing some community meetings and we'll talk a little bit about that approach at this kickoff meeting.

But we'll we'll be involving the community in person and virtually to get input into this planning process because it really is a vision for the community. We'll be continuing that into the cruising phase where we have another community meeting that builds on the first meeting. We'll be draft the plan at that point and bringing components of that to the community. And then moving into that kind of landing phase where we go out for a public review, very similar to your general plan. We'll be doing some celebration things.

We have an exciting virtual reality mobile immersion lab that we're gonna show you a video about if that works this time. And then eventually at the end of this cycle, we will be coming again to this body asking for a recommendation of approval to the city council and then this will go to the city council ultimately for their adoption or for their ability to adopt. Make sense? Any questions on schedule? Okay.

Alright, this slide is really, I didn't give you a copy of this but the whole point of this slide is to say there's a lot of focus in the city as we're trying to grapple with what is happening with the airport and different efforts that are happening, we realized as a project team that there's a lot of things happening in the city that different departments are doing that impact and relate to the airport. So we did this infographic together as a project team and I wanted to just kind of walk through it with you. And some of you may have seen this, but one of the last city council meetings on April 24, the airport master plan. Master plan is what happens inside the fence and it's future oriented as well, but not long range but kind of mid range. So what's happening with the airport as well as the projection in kind of a mid range component.

There's gonna be an expansion to that airport. That was approved by council on April 21. That's important to this effort because we need to know, and I'll kind of show you the noise contours and how that impacts land use planning. So we need to understand that. So we're keeping our eye on that. That's happening through your airport planning department. Of course the specific area plan, and I'll use this guy again here if I can. I don't like this. I'm not really Okay. So we're just gonna go down the line here.

So I'm not gonna use this because it bothers me. But we have the airport specific plan. You can see the timeline for that February through December. We just kinda talked about that. And then there's a variety of other plans that are going on with different departments in the city that we really wanna understand so that we don't do things redundantly and that we dovetail that stuff in.

So we got the airport asset assessment and market analysis. So they're doing some market analysis of the properties, looking at some catalyst sites, looking what may develop in the future. They have a lot of landowners that they're talking to. So we're looking at that, working with economic development, your strategic utility implementation plan. So of course infrastructure and utilities in that.

Long range airport concept plan as you go down here. That plan effort is really important to us. That's looking at the airport a little bit further than the airport master plan. And that's looking at what does the Buckeye Airport wanna be when it really grows up. Does it wanna have commercial flights? Does it wanna have the seven fifty seven's logistics? And that's important because that noise contour that I'll show you will grow and then we have to make sure that those land uses are compatible with that. And so the land uses that we're planning there and we're going through the community, we wanna make sure that those support that airport operation. So we're watching that very carefully as well. That's looking to finish up hopefully or at least go to council in July.

So that will go into that process as well. And then there's a variety of other different airport studies that are looking at the tower siding and different utilities and infrastructure. And then I could just turn it over to John, mister John Willett, but what he will tell you is, and I'm sure he was very happy about it, his transportation master plan was approved in December 2025 and we're very interested in that as well because we wanna look at the long range projection for roadways in that area, infrastructure, and make sure that that we're not doing anything that is inconsistent with that. So we're working with John and his group as well for that. So a lot of things going on, a lot of things.

So it was interesting to put that together. I'm just gonna pause for a minute, just a moment, see if there's any questions. Okay. So we are embarking right now in our kind of our launch phase here, pre flight, what are we calling it? As we're getting into our flying operations of really understanding existing conditions.

And I believe, so if you look at your map, you're gonna kinda see our study area and I'll talk about that. So in existing conditions analysis, we've taken a bigger study area and I'm gonna show you that. And we're looking, of course, we wanna understand what's happening in this area. The study area is much larger than what the planning area will be. And I'll talk to you, well it may end up being, we're not quite sure yet, but we took a larger look so we can understand what's happening in that area.

We're looking of course at those concurrent studies, we're looking at what's happening on the ground, I'm show you a bunch of maps, we're looking at the existing future land uses and the community's vision plan. We're looking at zoning, what is zoning, what's entitled in that area, what's the land ownership make up of that area so that we can understand who those property owners are and who we need to talk to and make sure they're involved in the process. We're looking at regional demographics. So we're looking at demographics in Buckeye, in the planning area as well as regional. So we know what might feed into that for employment basis and what we have in this area.

Obviously we're looking at the existing and planned airport operations, that's very important. And then looking at that connectivity of transportation, what's being forecasted, what's being planned in this area, what may need to be planned in the area in terms of transportation connectivity, utilities, infrastructure and that sort of thing. Lot of stuff going into that. Here's the study area, I'm just gonna step back a little bit so I can see it with you. We took a kind of a broad swath of this area.

You can see the purple blob in the center, that's about five square miles. The steady area is 86 square miles. So we looked out about five miles from the runway in every direction to take a look at what's happening in that area and then one of the outcomes of the existing conditions report will be a planning area. The planning area we know already and I think I'm gonna use a little pointer again. This is your noise contour that's related to your airport master plan that was just approved and so you can see that that noise contour goes outside now of our existing activity center.

So we know it needs to go at least that big but we're pretty sure that it needs to go a lot bigger because based upon the long run vision of the airport, those contours are gonna be much bigger and we wanna make sure that we protect that land, one. But we also wanna make sure that it makes sense to the employment area of that activity center. So, and I'm gonna show you some things about that. So we're looking at that larger area. A lot of different maps, I'm just gonna kind of flip through them and talk about what we're looking at and analyzing in this area.

You can see that this is our physical and environmental constraints map. We're looking at things like flood control waves, flood plains, flood district properties. We're looking at our wildlife borders that we know is important to Buckeye. There's some physical boundaries in this area that that may make sense to stop a planning area. It may make sense to go over those like our roadways.

So I-ten SR 85, the railroad. We wanna make sure that we have a good boundary and some of those physical boundaries may dictate what that is. But again, we know our noise counters are going over I-ten, so maybe the boundary goes over that as well. We're looking at our existing land uses in this area, you can see that there's a whole lot of agriculture, that's the you guys know this if you look here. So that's the I spent a lot of time here so I know that too.

But we got a lot of agriculture, got some vacant properties that are not agriculture, they're just vacant commercial industrial area. Just kind of taking a look at that, getting a feel for what's on the ground today is important in this exercise as well as land ownership. And I just kind of talked about that. We wanna make sure and we're looking at this kind of at a broad scale but also going through the ownership of these properties. Who are we dealing with? Private ownerships? Are we dealing with state land? Arizona Game of Fish? Are we dealing with BLM? County lands, can see a lot of that flood control on I-ten is county land.

That blue is the Arizona State Land Department. Why? We know the Arizona State Land Department highest and best use they want out their properties. They mandated to have that out of their properties. So they're a very important stakeholder in this and a lot of times they'll drive land uses for us as well or at least have a lot of input into what we're designating.

So we wanna make sure we're talking to all these different land owners. CMPs, you got a lot going on 26 maybe more now, 27, 28, I don't know how many CMPs you have in Buckeye but a lot. And in this study area, we're looking at all of those CMPs. As you guys know, those are zoned and tiled properties that have a variety of different land uses in them. Some of those are being retooled as we speak to go to kind of support the airport, going non residential to a certain extent but we wanna understand those land uses.

We wanna work with those property owners and does it make sense to be in this planning area or are they kind of separate things altogether. So we're looking at that. There's subdivisions that we're looking at as well, making sure that we understand what's in the area, what's entitled, what's subdivided and that sort of thing. Zoning is important as well, so all your CMPs are entitled that plant community. We have a lot of that general commerce that's down South of Southern and so those areas, understanding that what the zoning is may be important to just because it's industrial zoning doesn't necessarily mean it's gonna be in the area plan but it may make sense to be in the area plan.

And you can also see in this map that all the white areas, there's a lot of unincorporated county land still in Buckeye. So we look at the county zoning as well. We know a lot of that's Rule 43, but all that area may be good opportunity for annexing into the city to make and to let Buckeye have a little bit more control of that area as well. So we're looking at that as well. So outcomes and I've said a couple of them.

We want a project boundary. We have to have a project boundary going into the public process as we're starting to plan that area. We're getting that, refining that list of stakeholders that we have. Getting some information on the future land use, of a springboard of what some of those land uses could be so that we can take those through the public process and get input on that. Learning about economic opportunities in the area, what are the demographics?

What's feeding into that regional or that area at a regional basis. Obviously the infrastructure, the roadways that are being planned and then catalyst sites. Catalyst sites in this effort, remember when I said the statute allows us to get a little regulatory in this process. And a little regulatory means design standards. We're not talking regulations like your bulk standards in your zoning code, but we're talking about some design standards that we may be able to apply in this process.

So through this process, as we're working with economic development and the rest of your stakeholders, there may be some sites that are appropriate as illustrative conceptual development sites to start to illustrate some of those design standards that might kind of pull that area together in not a uniform fashion, but in a fashion of an airport area. Think Scottsdale Airport or Deer Valley Airport in an area that might have a certain look and feel, maybe some signage, maybe some gateways that go into it that says this is the Buckeye Airport area. So we're starting to look at those catalyst sites and we can kind of conceptually develop those through this process that might end up driving those design standards. Okay, so we're looking at, we have case studies in this process and we're starting to look at a couple of different airports that are kind of near and dear to the city's heart. And this is kind of an interesting graphic because we start out with our Buckeye activity center at five square miles and we kind of go up and this graphic is just showing a couple of different air park areas that we're looking at.

Scottsdale Air Park is is eight square miles. Alliance Airport in Texas is something that the city has looked at. They've they've toured that area. This one's interesting, it's it's 42 square miles and it's non contiguous. So something to think about.

In planning area, we may find areas that a lot of CMPs, maybe it doesn't make sense to necessarily have that in the planning area or maybe there's holes in those planning areas. So it doesn't necessarily have to be a contiguous planning area is all that's looking at. Our airport study areas where it's 86 miles and then Phoenix Mesa Gateway Airport which does have those big big seven fifty seven's and things that Buckeye might be wanting to look at. So it's a bigger, much a bigger area. That's a regional planning area that they're looking at a lot of different cities in that planning area as well.

So you know from small to big, we're starting to look at those. Alright, public participation approach and in every process it's very important if you're working on a vision plan, a community plan, that the planners don't just get together and write the plan because then it's kind of meaningless. So we wanted to make sure that we were thinking about this upfront, getting community involved So this kind of goes through our approach of public participation. Right now in our understanding phase, we're really just gonna understand along with existing conditions, stakeholders are gonna start doing some interviews with planning staff. Understanding what the community in this area, the property owners want for this area.

Getting an understanding of this area. That will springboard us in a project boundary. Right? So that will springboard us into a series of workshop. And we see this as a three part series. So the first part is we're gonna get into visioning. And I think there's some pictures of a process we did in Chandler for their downtown area. And we like to have a lot of interaction in our workshops. We will do in person workshop. We'll also mimic that virtually.

So people can't be there in person for whatever reason, they'll be able to go on the project website. I'll show you that. And they'll be able to do a form or fashion of doing this input as well. So we like to get into visioning, land use planning early on where people are starting to look at pictures and visual preference and say, yeah I like this, I like this, I don't like this and so there'll be some exercises for that. That really builds into our scenario workshop where we start looking at those land uses, we start going from kind of a two d pictures into three d models where we might then have some of those conceptual design standards that we've heard, what's important to the community, we're gonna develop those into a little bit of a three d model and that's what the folks on the left, the right hand side are doing.

They're looking at those models that built from their first workshop and then they're saying, well these are interesting but and then they're taking more pictures and they're making comment on that. So it's kind of fun. We think it's really fun as planners. We get really excited about it. And then there's food there so we hope that people will come in.

Nothing else will. But the third part of the series is what we call a mobile immersion lab. And at Logan Simpson, we've we've been doing this virtual reality thing. And and this this is not new technology. Most of you probably, you know, the the three d knob, the goggles, the the immersion theaters, if you've gone to Vegas and and did the the sphere, that's all virtual theater.

It's been used in sports, it's been used in the military and law enforcement for scenarios and stuff like that. Picture is truly worth a thousand words and so what we have done and we've been doing this all over the Rocky Mountain West, we're really the first to do this in planning and it's taking those pictures that we get from community and those models and then we build it into an animated virtual reality scenario. We bring out a mobile, basically a mobile lab, a mobile screen and you can see it here, we're gonna show you a picture of it. People will walk into it, it's facilitated and it's interactive. So people will have their handheld, their phone, and they can look up and down and right and left and there's sounds to that and they can say wow, yeah this is exactly what I'm thinking for this area and think kind of a fly through maybe on a gateway into the Buckeye Airport and you're looking at landscaping and you're looking at maybe some trails and how that looks and a monumentation and people get kind of excited about that.

Yeah, that's what I like and or we develop a site that shows some design standards and doing kind of a virtual fly through of that as well. So we're excited about this, this will be near the end of the process at this point. We're projecting about November for that when we're doing some celebrations and some highlights of that, of the public process for that. So with that, I think I have a video that we're gonna try to show you. So we're gonna just pause for a minute. Oh, here it is. So Today,

we are presenting what we've heard and been told so far back in a three d immersive environment for the community to step into and really get a sense of what the future doubt.

So while we're fixing that. This is in that Downtown Chandler, downtown regional area plan. This process we utilize There that it goes. That three part approach where we went from two d to three d to virtual reality and this is kind of showing that. And this is unfortunate that it's not gonna give us To sound but

life. Go. It was nice to have a group of people standing there kind of walking through this together and being able to see the concept of family living and housing for older and younger people together because it's hard to do that when you're looking at just a flat rendering. We live downtown, so we want more retail, we want more walking, we want more pedestrian friendly places, so that was good to see that. To have that kind of input and feel like what you're saying is important and where you live means a lot to everybody that's involved.

It really is about what the community wants to see. We're giving the community the opportunity to provide that input and then we are taking what we've heard and learned from that input, carrying it forward. So we've built from one workshop on to the next, now to this final third. And it's important because it's the last opportunity for the public to really make sure that we're

That we've really captured their vision. Okay. So that gives you an idea of what we're what we're arcing to in this one. So the the public process is gonna be very important because we'll be getting those ideas and that input from what you guys, as a community, want to see in that area, and then we're gonna bring it to life in that that virtual reality lab. So at this point well, before I I say at this point, I also wanna say that we we do have a project website up on the city's website and it's here.

This is all things Buckeye Airport. You'll be able to see a lot of things on this webpage. And then as we have meetings, we'll be advertising them out in social media in a variety of different ways. But you can go to this webpage and find information. We'll have resources on here, the existing conditions report once that's finalized will be on here.

We're building off the branding of the general plan that's in place right now. We've tweaked this, this process actually started about four years ago, and then was kind of shelved, if you will, because Bucket was trying to figure out really what do they wanna do with the long range plan. We're not quite there. So it really made sense to kind of put this project on ice. We're back here.

We revived the project logo, and we're we're we're moving forward with that logo and with that branding at this point. So I just wanted to share that with you. And and then at this point, what we'd like to do is, if you're willing, Cher, we'd like to just have a little discussion with you in terms of your thoughts. And you guys live here, some of you probably many, many years. And we're looking at, if you can give us some thoughts on what your, there's just really two questions, that's it, of what your thoughts are for this area, for the airport area in terms of lane uses and sort of economic development, terms of the vision of this area.

So that's the first question. And then just since it's there, I'll just kinda go into that. The other question, you can answer both at the same time. But we're also looking at, what do you see as the important gateways in this area? Are there certain sites that you may want us to look at? Is design in this area important? Do you think that's important as a commission, signage and that sort of thing? So really wanted to just open it up for question. I'm gonna bounce back and forth between these guys and we can talk as long as you want or get a couple of your ideas and then call it good. So with that, I'll turn it over to Adam or to the chair and you guys can

Yes, I know, I think with the first question, you know, this is just there's no bad ideas, no bad comments, But, you know, those that are kind of familiar with airports or if you guys have been in other communities that have had airports and you're familiar with other communities or other states that, you know, just kind of what everything around the airport look like and, you know, what what would be important to you for, as Terry mentioned branding design. It's all it's kind of all on the table tonight. Just very open ideas is welcome and we can capture that. We're also going to the commissioners that weren't here this evening. We're going to be sending all of the material to them as well, as well as they'll be able to watch this video just so they can kind of catch up and provide us any feedback that they have.

But happy to answer any questions. We have our poll team here and maybe we can start with that first polling. So hopefully that helps.

Anybody? Oh, yeah. Yeah. I I was with FAA for I wasn't with them. I was at the IG's office and we had the FAA. It seemed all over the place. You know, I was re ranging nine and ten all the time. And the major concern that everybody had that came to us was number one safety and number two noise. Yeah. And as I understand our airport, it's not going to have the cross.

They're with the long range plan. They are still analyzing some crosswind options as well as the North South options. Their consultants will be looking at that and providing some analysis on that. So it's still, it has nothing's been voted on or solidified on yes or no on the crosswind. So that'll still be something that Terry fill in the blanks if I missed that, but I think that's, it's still on the table.

And if there's momentum on that and if they find that there's an opportunity for those crosswind roadways that'll help set kind of inform some of these discussions as well. But I believe we're gonna have a big enough area that we're gonna be looking at where regardless of where those runways go. Those types of land use that we want to see in areas that are that have a lot of sound and those that we don't want to see those kind of uses are good feedback to kind of place those certain things in areas that are more appropriate. So, to come on that, but likely, you know, maybe in the next three months or so, we'll probably we'll have some more information on that.

I I think it'll be know, airport becomes the the heart of as large as we are. And I'm not sure I'll be around

for all of us. But

I mean, it's we're turning Owens into a a complete city. Yeah. We're so large. But I think it's it's great things because of that, but then there's also uncertainties about that. So I'm excited for bottom of my car. I think it's a great place.

Yeah. And I think I think it's a good comment with noise and those types of sensitivities building, you know, building heights and all that. So we're going to be looking at, you know, ways to incorporate some sensitivities to that to guide if the project comes in within this area. This document, the goal of this document is to guide them, you know, so before they submit for a rezoning that would go before the commission, we'll be able to have a lot of these things identified. So certain building heights, like you don't want to have residential, you know, high noise area or a hotel right under a flight path, you know, those kind of things.

So we will be looking at some of those once we get a little more refinement and another workshop with commission to kind of go over some of those results. But we'll definitely look into, you know, some of those noise uses that are more sensitive and try to bring back something that, you know, will fit this area and guide future developer development.

Well, I was just gonna say, I mean, I think Buckeye has the potential of, because we're, you know, so far out west and there's not I mean, there is the Goodyear Airport but there's, you know, we're growing, we're continuing to grow and kind of like, you know, the Gilbert or I guess the Mesa Gateway Phoenix, whatever that how do say it? Airport. I was envisioning something like that in the future because we definitely have the potential to grow that way. But this is constraining to me square miles, mileage wise. So I think they would have to relocate it.

Yeah. You know, but that's just my take on it, you know, but I'm seeing now that I have this map and thank you, Terry for presenting that. It's very there's a lot of constraints there. Yeah. That aren't going to allow us to grow like that.

It'd be better. So we have Buckeye Land here.

This is commissioner Trepanza. Here. Oh, commissioner Trepanza. So

we have Buckeye Land. We have county Yeah.

This I I have chair I have a

Rexdale, if you don't mind just, just determining who has the floor. Mr. Tropeano, if you can just wait a few minutes.

Commissioner Tropeano, we have one commissioner that will speak and then we'll defer to you at the

next Yeah.

The next thank you for being on. We can hear you loud and clear. So one moment, we'll defer to you in a second.

We'll start again.

Okay. You

have county land, you have city, you land, county land, and state land. What are some of the criteria that when you're dealing with state land that you need to be able to meet so that we can do what we want? What kind of restrictions do they have? And also the same with the county if we want to incorporate.

Go ahead.

You just

beat that in front of blanks? Absolutely. So state land, they really act as any really almost like any other private land owner. What they do in state land is they the land at the end of its state trust land, which is there's quite a bit in, you know, fragments of areas in Buckeye that they own. They will they auction off that land to typically a private developer.

So, it'll be open for auction at some point in time. What the policy of state lands are is they want the highest and best use of that land. And so, there's two different approaches that they take. We anticipate that most of the state land in the areas that are growing, it'll start to increase in value like around Gorado and I-ten. There was just a recent state lands auction there right next to Target that is opening here pretty soon by the way.

There was there's a an auction that just took place here because the land is at its highest and best value. There's infrastructure and they'll get the most revenue for that. And that now is the time to auction. When this takes place, there's two paths that occur. A developer who's interested in developing around the airport that may want that land, they could file to request an auction before they're ready to auction.

That's one path forward. The next path forward is they make a decision to auction off the land. But really all the state lands that you see in this area will likely be developed by a private developer after it's auctioned just like anything else that the commission deals with on any other project. Maricopa County, they have the lands that they own in this area are primarily along the I-ten Corridor. Those are primarily owned by the flood control district of Maricopa County and managed by them.

Those lands usually have encumbrances on them and restrictions because there's a flood, there's either you guys probably see the levee that you can see trucks driving over along I-ten all the time. They will own that, they own that levee as well as a little bit of land beyond that. But in some cases, because Maricopa County when they purchase land for levees and those types of things that you see around the Valley, that area that's in the pink there. What they do is they usually have some excess land and sometimes the cities can partner with them to utilize a little bit of that excess land for like open space, fire stations, parks, and things of that nature. So there is some opportunity for a partnership there, but we haven't had those conversations yet.

And then Bureau of Land Management, they also have some lands out there that are highly restrictive. Bureau of Land Management lands, I don't know if there's any in this study area, maybe along the Hacienda A little bit, but those are not gonna be auctioned off. Those are public lands, but we don't have as much of that here to worry about. So hopefully that gives you an idea of how that works a little

bit. Okay.

I think

it's gonna be a huge project, but I think it looks wonderful.

Thank you.

Well, I think board members.

Oh yeah. Commissioner Tropeano, you have the floor if you can still hear us okay.

Yep, I can hear you guys.

Thank you.

I'm sorry for joining a few minutes late. Had trouble walking in, but now I'm now. But the one thing I wanna point out is we gotta be sensitive to Hopeville. The history of that area, they've already gone through one move, and we just gotta be sensitive to that, not to do too much of an impact on Hopeville. That's my one concern right now.

But as far as the signage and everything going into there, I really like the way Mesa Gateway did their signage and their monuments. That's a good thing. I think it's a little too much warehousing and too much industrial around Mesa Gateway, but if we do like a mix between that and Scottsdale Airport Park, Scottsdale Park is a little less filthy to say, I think we'd be good.

You. Great comments.

All what I'm saying. Great.

And I think in if you look in this circle here, you could probably sit fit two city of Avondales in there. That's how big it is. So it's hard to really get this Gallo Buckeye, but there's probably will be a little bit of room for everything out here, but I do mister Trepiano, the comment regarding Scottsdale Airport, they do have a lot of like the more business park, smaller cluster buildings, which I think there's definitely a place for that that we'll be looking at in this area. And then you're also gonna have your big distribution users like the big million square footers, 2,000,000 square footers. What happens with that from an economic development perspective is what we're finding out from a lot of the landowners around the airport is that those larger projects are gonna bring the smaller ones because those smaller projects like the machine shops, the plumbing shops, the 15,000 square foot tenants within a small industrial flex building.

Those types of smaller projects will follow the bigger ones. So I think there'll be a healthy mix along SR85. There'll be a healthy mix of some of the larger buildings and then a lot of those smaller buildings that makes the Scottsdale Airport special with how they have that land use pattern. I think there's definitely a place for that in this plan.

May I ask one more question? I remember from prior meetings, sitting out there listening to it, is there any concern of the private airports around this area?

You Yes, over Diana, private airports.

As part of the existing condition analysis, we are looking at the private airports in the area to make sure there's no conflicts and we certainly are working with Luke Air Force Base in this as well. So not only the private landing strips, but the airports that are within the area as well, just to make sure that there's no conflict and we understand what's existing in the area. So yes, we are looking at that.

So is the current residential closest current residential area, the one that's north of the airport? Is that the closest right now?

Yeah. There's and a she goes to that, flips to that. Across I-ten to the north, that's probably about a half mile, three, maybe a quarter to a half mile. There's some large lot residential homes that are out there North Of 10. Then Hopeville that's adjacent to Sun Valley Parkway, Palo Verde Road. Hopeville that's in a little blue area there. I think on the map you can kind of see it under where it says Buckeye Road. It's where the R is.

There, right?

Yeah, that's Hopeville. There's a series of homes that are there as well. But it's really the traditional neighborhood that you see South Of 10 around the Verado Way, Watson Road area. The closest one to this area is Tartesso, which is to the north. But you have more of that rural large lot residential, some small clusters in this area that will be reaching out to those folks as well as part of the open house stakeholder process.

Is there a way to I'm looking at this business commerce area, the areas, is there a way to Is that just designated for sure or?

No. Okay. No. So you're looking at the future land use map in front of you. So this is from your 2018 general plan. Okay. And as amended, so there's been amendments over the course of the last however many years, right? So this is the area that will be in the area plan boundary will refine this. Concurrently with this planning effort, there'll be a major general plan amendment that'll go along with it. So the area and the land uses within this can change.

In addition to that, all the first stay out staff, but you're about ready to go through a general plan update. So all of these land uses across the six forty square miles are gonna be looked at and reflected in relation to what the community's vision is now. But certainly with the area plan, we're gonna be looking at these areas and these can change. I'm gonna caveat that though, because the brown areas where you have your CMPs, there's layers of land use planning within that. So these are entitled developments that have land use plans associated with that.

This effort will not change that. It may impact that. And what I mean by that is if they come back and retool and do some amendments that you see with these master plan communities, this plan can drive at a policy level what that can and cannot do to a certain extent. What we're hoping for is that a lot of these master plan communities that are gonna be within that planning area will support the effort. I mean, a lot of them are, like I said, retooled to industrial or employment land uses within these areas.

Those may make sense to be in this planning area. Maybe we've talked about it being maybe a hatched. So it's not necessarily a land use plan because they have land use, but it's part of the area because they wanna contribute to that airport employment area. So there's different ways to have them included. Did I kind of go did I answer your question? I mean, these land uses can change. Absolutely.

And I think when we when that purple box expands, because we're gonna look at a bigger area as part of that process that we're gonna go through that we'll come back before the commission on. Really the purple box is gonna be something that will point to but you're gonna have to open up the actual area plan that has like you guys were involved in the downtown specific area plan. There's gonna be several, a couple 100 pages or less, whatever But it there's gonna be, if a developer comes in and wants to rezone in that purple area, once it's expanded, all they're gonna see is a purple area. They're not gonna know anything about that until they actually go to the area plan document that has all the information, land use recommendations. It's gonna be more fine tuned.

But what Terry mentioned is that a lot of these CMPs and you guys have seen how many over the last three years, most of these are going through amendment after amendment after amendment. Why we like the idea of including some of those is we don't want for any, as an example, a CMP to go through an amendment and build residential right under a flight

path. Right.

We want to be able to, if they do come back for a reason, we want to be able to inform them that we would like to see a different type of use. Like you mentioned regarding the noise and the sensitivity, we want to be able to do that if they come back and amend over time. So this is not changing anybody's zoning. They're grandfathered in legally. They have the right to develop as it's zoned. But a lot of these landowners that we've talked to in this area wanna go through and develop to be compatible with the airport. So they're kind of on standby. They're gonna be a stakeholder, and a lot of those colors on the map will be all part of that purple area that we'll be able to flip through and be able to see a lot more detail on. And more will come to the commission as we start to pull some of that together, similar to what you guys saw in the downtown plan.

One more question. Is there a way I could be included in the stakeholders meeting?

Yeah, we're gonna have open houses that, and we haven't talked too much more about that, but we would like our commissioners and our council to be ambassadors of the project, you know, to as we have these things to get people to attend and provide input, the more the merrier. So absolutely when we have these open houses, feel free to come and attend and provide input. And if you guys have ideas along the way, can email Mandy to help answer some of those questions. She's keeping track

of her.

So who do I get my email

to? Yeah, we have, I think we have everyone's email. What we can do is send out, we can send out a, an email to the commissioners on with Mandy's information. So, you know, if you have a comment or question, can just see, you can email hers. And then unless we'll have to look at some of the rules with how that works, if it's just individual commissioners emailing it, we're good with that. Okay. Sending it directly to Mandy.

Yeah. And 100% with the ambassador. I mean, we'll come to this process and update you throughout the process as planning commission so that you're aware. But we really are gonna look, you guys are appointed body, you have your circles of influence and people that you know. Please do get the word out, please come to the public meetings. Please get involved in any way. We'd love to interview you. We'd also, in a different fashion, if you wanna be down off the dais, we can just kinda have a conversation and talk to you about your thoughts as well. But we'd love for you to get the word out in your circles of influence as well. So I

did see, was it on Facebook or something? I saw, I think a survey popped up for this exact thing.

Okay. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Is I think Mandy and I have been having meetings probably over the last month, but there's so many different moving parts to the airport. There you go. Yeah. There's so many different moving parts to the airport that it's like, if you ask anybody the mall or at Costco, hey, what's the difference between an airport specific area plan and airport long range plan? I mean, there's gonna be some confusion, think with all the moving parts that are going on, but we'll likely that survey might be tied to one of these other projects that's on there. But if we do end up doing a survey or any type of outreach, we'll make sure you guys are know ahead of time, you know, that we're going be posting something and those type will communicate that out.

So when you do see a survey, you'll know it's related to what we're doing here. But this slide will be important if you guys we have electronic copies and if you wanna take a screenshot of that or whatever, you'll when you see different projects on social media, you'll be able to, you can tell which one it's associated with if you they'll usually have a title on it and it'll match up hopefully with what's on that screen.

We'll also be updating our airport specific area plan web page on the city website with any efforts that are specific to this project. If there's any outreach, we'll make sure that that gets them there.

Do you want to talk to me maybe a little bit about our outreach, like regarding, we're sending mailings out to stakeholders and looking at a large area? Yeah. Like, just maybe a high level.

Sure. If you wanna go back to the larger radius, I think. Which one? Any of the

Oh, is it?

Show the gallery. Okay. So yeah. No worries. One of the things that we're gonna do ahead of the open houses is we're looking at generating the mailing list of potentially everyone in this area. Yeah. It's gonna be a very long list, just so that way we can make sure that we're capturing all of the property owners in the area and sending invites for those open houses, houses, at least initially. And then we also have a contact form on the city web page that anybody that doesn't necessarily attend those meetings, they can still contact staff directly through that contact form at the

bottom of the page. So those

are two ways that we're gonna definitely be getting outreach conducted.

I know we have probably a couple of minutes till six. I don't know how, I think it was from a five to six, but if we go a little over, that's probably fine. I I wanna remind everyone there is snacks. Ring. Make sure you have a bite for your list and have something in the back.

I think the first open meeting is steering our planning and zoning meeting.

Yeah. It's the

second Tuesday of the month. Yeah.

We have one more question to be.

Nope, that's really it. We just had these two questions and then next steps. Do

you want to go to the next steps?

I'm happy to. So next steps. So as I mentioned, still doing our existing conditions analysis. We do have a document. We do have a document. We're gonna be finalizing that. We're working together as a project team to come up with options of our project boundary. We hope to be refining that and getting buy off and having that actual area plan boundary. Next week, we'll be doing the kickoff meeting with our technical advisory committee. And then as Mandy said, we're gonna start meeting with stakeholders.

And so we have a list of larger property owners and stakeholders in the area that Arizona State lands, etcetera, but also property owners. We'll start doing interviews with them, meeting with them and getting the word out in that regard. And then that community meeting right now, we're looking at July probably. We really wanna make sure that the concurrent planning efforts are further enough along that the project boundary that we have is good. So there's a chance that that will slip a little bit into August, but we'll see.

We'll get the word out in social media to all of you as well about that first community meeting. And then I wanna assure you that as a body, as a commission, we will be giving regular updates. Staff will be sending you information so you have that. And then we'll come before you as well and give you these kind of informal or formal, if you will, updates so that you can ask questions as a body as well. And so with that, that really is our presentation tonight. We appreciate that you guys are here and you're interested in it and excited about it. And we're happy to take any comments or any questions that you have at this point or just move on.

Well, seems to me that the manufacturing areas that will be out there will benefit greatly from the airport. And so it's a big draw. It's a big magnet for them. That should be really positive support from the owners of that area.

And we're hoping, I think, in some of the shift in the market that we've seen, we're hoping a lot of the bigger employers that are coming this way. I mean, really big brands, big employers. It's really going to support all of the residential communities on Sunlight Parkway. So the residential, you're going to see more of that on Sunlight Parkway. And then you're gonna have more of your employment base kind of within driving distance. You know, they're we'll have folks driving fifteen minutes south and within Buckeye living here versus the hour and half into Phoenix. So that's kind of the long term goal is to not just have a bedroom community where folks can not just leave here and go work somewhere else and they can sleep shop, work all within, you know, a 20 mile radius would be great.

Yeah. Live work life.

Yeah. I don't want that's like that nerdy matter, you know.

Live work life.

So, but thank you so much. Really great feedback, great comments. And thank you guys. I'm glad we had a quorum tonight. We can have some good dialogue. And with that chair, if you want

to get your meeting is adjourned.

There you go.