Parks and Recreation Commission - Regular Meeting

All right. I'd like to call this meeting to order and welcome everybody to uh the city of Birminton uh parks and recreation commission. This is my regularly monthly meeting. Today is Tuesday, August 26th, 26th. Thank you everyone for being here. Appreciate it. Uh first up as we have our approval of our minutes from our last meeting which was July 22nd. Uh, Commissioner McDonald, uh, I would please ask that you thank Brian. Uh, yes. You're not here. Welcome, Commissioner Waterman.

We were trying to figure out, oh, no, we have to admit her long. Um, but I would make a I'll make a motion to approve the minutes from our last meeting, July 22nd. I'll second it. All right, we got a first and second on approving the minutes from last meeting. All in favor of approving the minutes, please say I. I. All right, that will unanimously. Oh, I'm sorry. We have one objection. Thank you, Commissioner McConnell. My apologies.

Move to approve the agenda with the amended item about ESC charging station site design. Okay. Thank you for uh for reading it. I will second that motion to approve tonight's agenda with um the new addition to the PSC charging station. Um all in favor of approving tonight's agenda, please say I. I. All right. That will pass unanimously. And that will be moved to item number four under staff reports. Thank you. That was a late information. Figured we'd be good to share.

All right. Next up, we have uh public comment. So this is the uh folks. Thank you for being here in our attendance. If uh if you would like to say uh talk about anything that's not on tonight's agenda, um please uh now time. If you don't have anything, uh that's all right. Uh please identify yourself and Pat spoken. Yeah, Mr. Kerver, thank you for being here. for your wanted to point out I was in the park that Ryan who was about a week or so ago we were talking about the signs and you pointed out that the sun had been put out closed from dus a park grill sign. Yeah.

Yeah. We we didn't actually go to all the way down there to look at the sign and it's not it's not that sign. It's the it's the sign that's up in other parts of the park. the no camp parking uh sign. So my suggestion is to take that sign down the pay closed dusted on sun. Yeah, thanks for double checking that. Appreciate it. I'll look at it. Other than that, it's same old issues for Bridge Park and lot of problems going with the trash.

Thank you. Thank you. Appreciate it. Yeah, please. Hey, my name is Kenny Long.

Kenny, thanks for being here again. here. But thank you. I just stopped it again. Place right now. We continue to play. It's not technically grooved, but it's a nice fab security patrol that have thrown a like in house and snacks to provide open especially as we come closer to winter center going out and we like to find some that's kind of probably hard to come by But perhaps somewhere down the line space for us that's it for

and I wanted to let you know I saw I read that article in the paper that was about you guys that bring some more people out. Oh yeah. Bring some attention to what you got going on. Yeah. Good. Yeah. more awareness than I yeah we do have a couple of tournaments in the regional area where yeah if you want more information about events and such touch base games thanks for being here appreciate it thank you

all right did anyone has anyone joined online since uh just the one attendee I think was there um and they're just they're just watching. Okay, awesome. All right. Uh next up, uh we have staff reports and updates. Uh first up we have for park management concerns. Okay. Um, I'll kind of turn this one over to Brian for him to since he was out at the park um, this last month to kind of take a look at some things and try to do some brainstorming. So, Brian.

Okay. Yeah. Back on the 13th, I met up with Katherine and a few folks uh around the neighborhood and we had a great discussion, I thought about um some ideas and kind of some brainstorming of some potential things that we might be able to address to kind of curb some of the u unwanted use of that park. Um I think we were able to come up with a couple ideas. Were you able to speak with other folks and of the park and get any other insight?

There is um there was talk about wanting to have a gate, but I don't know that that's going to work just because of like they were saying like fire or police because there was an incident where they needed police were in there a couple weeks ago, you know. I don't know if it was in the paper. Was it in the paper? Probably not. There was a big I think it was it was the Friday before we met.

Yeah. There was a big event where they had to close down the park and they brought in dogs and drones and they were looking for somebody. So that you know that's not saying that the park is bad because of that. But what I'm finding I've lived next to the park for 19 years now and is the dynamics in this last year has been sort of the downturn. It's not for the good. Where they're all coming from, I don't know. There's a contingent of regular people that come in every day and just kind of park in that one spot. For the most part, we're okay, but we're getting a lot of people that go in to where that culdeac is on the north end, you know, and I'm I kept thinking because we talked about maybe putting some rocks up there just to keep it from people driving up there, but then Brian pointed out, how would like that emergency that happened, how would they get in there? They wouldn't be able to get in there with aids and the police and all that. So I know the long range plan way down the road is to get rid of that pavement in there and just make it forest. I mean there's adequate parking in there but maybe in the meantime the north end have a gate so then the police can access it if necessary. That could be a start. You know I know that's not cheap. There's got to be a way because it isn't just the homeless going in there. It's drug being released now. Cars coming in and they're driving really fast. So, I'm just thinking in the meantime, how can we address this temporarily just to keep it to kind of tamp it down and make it safe? There was an incident yesterday. somebody, one of those homeless people verbally it was and

almost physically assaulted a guy I see all the time walking in there and he called the police but he chose not to press charges against him. I think had I known I would have recommended that. But anyway, um that's there. But I'm thinking until we can get into our the pros plan when it's for which park's turn, maybe just blocking off that back end and then more people be more visible. He had talked about maybe putting in some lights, more lighting. People don't want to they want to be hidden. So that's kind of what we were talking about. Yeah, Colette and Tim and I were talking today about this exact subject and talking about um some options and alternatives and uh Colette has had a little bit of experience with this in the past as well. Um and so she's there able to share some some ideas with us today too and so I just really want to get your feedback today as we try to navigate best way forward. Yeah, because you know you look at the budget, you know, how much do we have to spend that does make a little

because we can work on just we can work on the logistics end of things, but that's not Do we have any more on kind of a side note, do we have any more information on the neighbor that uses the park for access from Miss Alberty? No, I was hoping maybe we could kind of have uh some sort of plan um an initial plan come from this meeting so then I can approach and have that conversation with him. I've talked with the mayor with our city attorney and if we do any sort of gate access, uh the city doesn't have an issue with allowing him access to that gate. Um, it sounds like previously when we've had discussions or tried to look at putting boulders, uh, the big concern was that they were just beyond his his rear access driveway. And he didn't like that because people would then turn around in his driveway and so it was kind of forcing people to utilize his space to to turn around. So I don't think anything was done at that time. Correct.

Right. Yeah. And the I didn't put enough of those sheets unfortunately, but um that was developed um for a meeting here back in 2022 when we talk about it. So the proposals on here was bold, but what we were discussing today and Greg could borrow your um

so does do all the commissioners have have been sharing. Gosh, I really smart here and maybe they're hiding under some bar. Um anyway, so so the parking lot is is um identified with this dash line here and then across the across the road is a scout fall. What if we put a gate right there that the police has a key to Mark's office doing the neighbor with the museum? So it's not something it stays closed. It's not something that our staff is having to go manage and make sure that we're not locking anyone in. And then um this road up here, what if we put jersey barriers there? Prevent people from

the diagonal road. Yeah. Yeah. It's a kind of a twostep stu two-step sensory trial. I kind of like that because that way people still can come in, you know, or not have to worry about and then, you know, they come in before like maybe when the restrooms aren't open yet, people still come in that way. They just be where there's true parking. Yeah. Kind of front and center. Yes. So they're not There's no reason to go drive all the way to the back and not anymore.

Yeah. Used to be it was just people dog walking or having a picnic. It is not that way anymore. No. And it's a it's a nice place for dumping. I know. I just sent a picture to Carlos. I'm always apologizing, but he wants the pictures. When it dumps, they dumped, you know. Yeah, a gate is is I don't know what the cost would be, but the cost of picking up all the dumb garbage adds up. Yeah. But then aid can still get in if they need to open that.

Yeah. We can put a Nox box on there and they'll have their own key. Yeah. So I know when you have what building there's access the fire department uses to get that is that the box that's the box and is that something the police also have access usually it's just fire

yeah probably could do it but that it'll just deter determine how many locking mechanisms will need and then the neighbor would have a key also for after hours though or that is a permanent lock right there might be something like that on the L84 access of Silvin it's the north northeast entrance there's a road down to housing that goes through on. Mhm. But I can't know if there's a gate there. See if there was. There was some It's an electronic gate.

And it hasn't been working in a few years. There's there's been so many problems here and and you've been fighting stuff for so long in terms of the health. It'll be good. I gave that a good start. It's time. It's time for I know eventually that was the plan to eliminate that pavement and just make it all part and then on Hartford because it used to be through roads many years ago. Yeah. Yeah. And now it's not. And so that way

off of first TE they can still get to the water tower and the phone tower when needed and just make the approach there and there is an approach there. So, how big big of a piece of street is on the other side there's other side of the barrier? I can't remember. It's not that far. It just It used to be through Ford Street it turns into and then they just made there's a burm there and people just turn around and there's two picnic tables there. It's a nice little spot to sit. I guess what I what I found is on the other side, you know, on the street side out of the park is is that I assume that's a that's a dead end road, but I couldn't remember how it

is a dead end road. Yeah, there's houses there. So, how many people park in that? Well, that only the people that that live there, you know, their company and that. So, I did want to push some of our campers over there. Well, no. When it comes to illegal dumping, too. Well, I mean, if you have houses around, they're less likely to be they're going to hidden.

They're hidden. So, every morning we go up there and part of the wonderful group that helps pick up trash and reports it. So, then this would eliminate that. And then, of course, the staff that have to come in and clean that up. And then and then why I just just out of curiosity to be gir I know why the gate here and why would be a private here. The reason to put it there would be to allow so uh up and why don't we put the gate out here versus behind the parking lot and if it was here then we would have to manage

closing it. We'd want to we want to make sure we didn't lock anyone in and it just it would just create a lot more where is it that's here and stays closed. And that was my concern from my concern from a maintenance perspective is like what do we do when we get there and somebody's in the woods? Yeah. You know, how do we lock that gate? You know, we can't. Okay. Thank you for explaining that because I was under the assumption that this was going to be a gate that we would we were going to close like we do with other parts like dusk. This is a permanent closer. Yes. Of part of what's now called Carol Arens Parkway. Okay.

We're just closing vehicular access. Okay. Thank you for asking. Same thing. So, okay. Just then if if you go mean this is going to be closed so we won't have to worry about anything anymore. I mean as far as far as far as partners. Yeah, I mean that's that's the main thing. You won't have to worry about that. It is the issue. Okay. It is the issue right now. Jumping and then this homeless I know that they're legally allowed to be in the park that it's you know for everybody and during the day they all leave at night but we don't want them in there just doing what they're doing right now. Yeah.

Director like what what would be the next step in this? Do you need a motion from this commission? Yeah. So it be it'd be nice. we've got as an agenda item. If we could get a motion um to rec Yeah. recommendation for staff to uh maybe um we can make it one motion, but it'd be great to put it in writing to have uh the jersey barriers and a gate would be would be great. Um what would be like the next step after that where it could take this to council?

We look for funding to make it happen. Y questions. I'm happy to support you recommending the council and pass here. We'd be happy to support me. Sure. I'm sure there is that come across the mayor's desk. Sure. Oh, there's several other issues and public boards is working on one that's similar. As a matter of fact, they're getting a estimate for a gate right now and we're we're working collaboratively with them because I want to glean that information of vendor pricing, things like that. That's the information I can give to Tim. You can then go look for the the funding. Uh

and we do need some clarification. There is some funding that comes into the park from the cell tower. Um, but we need to make sure we understand where that money is going and if it is available for projects like this, if it's already factored into our regular budget. Um, if so, how, if not. Um, because that's what we've talked about as a potential funding source. Um, because it's about 13,000 a year. Yep. If the cell tower goes down, who do they call, right? They've called the office. Yeah. I just thinking like

Yeah, they'll be surprised. So, first step is to to clarify the funding and the money, the support for us to move forward. This wasn't a budgeted item. Sure. Necessarily, so I think having the commission see it as something that's that needs to be immediately addressed helps. And can you clarify where are the signs on this map? So we were talking about signs at the beginning.

So we have a park roll sign that sits right next to uh the restrooms. Um so right yeah right in there we currently have uh another park rule sign that is sitting down at the end in the roundabout. We have some no camping overnight camping and things like that at the end. no dumping. So, after a while, I'm hoping that some of those can go away and we can reutilize those somewhere else. Um, we do have some signage at the entrance as gentleman said, you know, so we've got we've got signage up now. It's matter of getting somebody to read it. Yes.

Maybe where would we where are we talking about putting the gate like exactly? north of the parking for those yellow lines. Yeah. So, it says proposed 19. No. So, this was a um old It was from you said 2022. Yeah. We didn't Is that So, it would be at the Y or before the Y to go up. No, after the Y. After the Y. Yeah. So that big rectangular conjunction in conjunction where the scout hall is. Yeah. North of the scout.

North of past just past the parking area. And then explosion pits over there. Right at the end of the horseshoe pit right. I'm tracking. A little bit past that. Right around there. Okay. your general idea. You're trying to form a submission. I didn't serve it. Yeah.

I got you. Any other commissioners have any other questions or comments on this? So, I understand where the gate would go. What was the second talking about folks from driving up here? It will come up this and this does not connect. This this Hartford does not connect to first. It comes to a dead end, but it is still paved. Yeah. So, and so the Jersey barrier would be right right at the start probably started start down there and keep people from coming down there because I see people that park there every time I

People can access it by foot, but it would just eliminate vehicle access right now to get up. They go up there and you know it is nice to sit there in the summer when it's hot. I mean, they do find relief, you know, or more they would normally park. So, they're in the shade, but there's also a lot of trash they leave. And then, so yes, I will move to approving the installation of the new game. I second the motion. All right. All in favor of approving uh this motion as uh submitted uh please say I. I. I.

All right. That motion will pass unanimously. Thank you. Good stuff. We need a separate motion for the dirty bar. Mention it in the motion. Absolutely. Yeah, that shows how awake. Okay, great. Good stuff. Uh, next up we have uh the Haden Park ribbon cutting uh video and updates. Director, please.

Okay, let's see. All right, let's I should have open myself before there. Pretend like you didn't hear that yet. Oh, it's still weird. Okay. Now that I downsized it, it's probably not showing. Maybe I need to redo. Okay, I should We had Miss Silverdale.

Summer playground kids there playing running games for kids. Staff got beat by the kids. I love that movie. So before we So where the mayor is, the ladies on both sides of him are granddaughters of Lulu Haden. Cool. That made it to the event, which was super cool.

Yeah. Good. That was it. If you didn't make it,

you missed it. Yeah. No, I thought it was a I thought it was a really fun event. It was a nice cool day that day. you know, never predictable weather, but I thought we had a great turnout. We probably had um 75 people total or so, which was awesome. And a good mix of uh people from the community, representative from local businesses um from obviously youth and and we had a couple council members there and commission member there. Um yeah, thought it was a great great event. Everybody had a good time. Yeah.

Sarah's spirit. Yes. Yeah, we're uh still working on the um tree planting will happen in September. Um the restroom was they came back to paint the specified controllers and unfortunately got everything right but the roof. So they need to come back times a charm, right? Um and we're still working with the um the sales rep on October shelf or who makes tables that we could pick the props to. potatoes. There are still the temporary flavor. So, yeah. Picture where they delivered it. Yeah. But people are enjoying the park. Yeah.

So, in the meantime, yeah, we've moved furniture from downtown um to the shelter area for people to be able to still use. Um and we've got three benches that just came in that'll get put in different areas of the park. kind of a an overlook area kind of at the far end and then the third by the basketball court. So yeah, so those will be little bits and pieces here and there as we continue to move forward. You have any questions?

I just wanted to say we we our today was our patrol day with the BPD husband and I do it and we drove by and there was kids playing basketball. They were in the playground. A little kid riding his bike on the the path all the way around. It looked amazing.

Yeah. On th Thursday, I don't know what day it is. Yeah. Thursday, I'll be meeting with BCAT on site there and we've been developing a script. So, we're going to do about a four to six minute video uh just kind of talking about the development of the park um how people can get involved as volunteers within our park system and then that'll be running on BCAP for a while. So, so that'll be great. Thanks for those updates. All right, next up we have kids at Lake Park renovation project.

Okay. Love to say we're done. We're not done yet. So, um I will um kind of talk about two different things that we've got going on with Kitapp Lake uh currently um as we move forward with the project. So, first is um so as part of the project, we've uh always planned to um subcontract out the irrigation uh design for the for the park. And um as we've uh been partnered with um parametrics to do a lot of our design work at the site, um the engineer that is working or the staff member that's working with us actually does a lot of landscape uh work and um irrigation design. And so we kind of figured well since he's very familiar with the project and um we need to move forward and this it's it's a low enough number uh that we didn't need to um put it out to bid uh that we would just uh retain parametrics and so we're going through the process right now. It's essentially a change order to their current agreement. Um so that's going to have to go through council process and approval. Um, so they'll see it at their study session on I keep saying September 9th, but it's September 10th, I guess, which is the Wednesday. And then um it'll be approved. There's also um so there's four parts to this change order for uh parametrics. This is kind of one of the main the main pieces is to be able to get the irrigation design done. and I'm going to get irrigation installed and then um basically go back

in and rehydro seed the areas that need seed. Um, additionally, I'll kind of lead into the other topic. Does anybody have any questions about this? The red means the area that's going to be irrigated. So, essentially the entire park. Um, and then the little island here near the accessible uh boat launch or parking area. Uh, we decided because of the slope. I Let's hate these windows pop up. Um, we decided because of the slope of this area that we're not going to irrigate that. Um, just because it's going to be a absolute mess to maintain and so we're just going to leave that unerrigated and and leave it natural. Uh, everything else through here is obviously pathways. Um, but essentially everything around is going to be irrigated, even where the playground area is. Um the design will include irrigation around that.

What's the source of the water for the irrigation? So it's coming off the city system and it'll be based out of um I can't remember if it's this building or this this the restroom building is where this where it'll be coming from. Is there any existing is there any existing irrigation? Yes, there is. Yeah, there's a 2 in main line there. Okay. the area that you're not irrigating. Director, what um what's there currently? Is that like trees? Like shrubbery? Like what? Grass. It's all grass. Grass. Okay. Grass and and pre pre-established shrubs. Okay. Yep.

So, being able to use parametrics versus who we thought you were going to use, are you saving money? Well, we didn't know who we were going to use. Um, but we had a budget for the work and it came in right around what we had budgeted for it. So, it's it's right in that ballpark of where we what we had planned to spend.

Um, and so just briefly, I can kind of show you u the different areas. So, that's basically part one. Um, and I wanted to share these with you too because these will be going through council as well for approval uh because of some of the changes and costs. Um the the biggest thing I pointed out to the um parks um finance investment and parking committee earlier today which includes three council members is um everything that we're proposing is still within the over the funding that we have for the overall project. What's going to happen is um this second part is going to kind of put us over uh the top for what council approved last year as the project budget. And so we're just going to have to go back and and and let them know what the new cost is going to be. But the funding is still there between what was already um coming in as revenue and then the addition of the um the um Department of Commerce grant that we received for 324,000 uh will help cover cover the expense. So, um, on the second portion, which I'll show some pictures of, um, but wanted to just kind of cover that with parametrics first, is, um, we've had, um, we knew that our slopes were going to be tough for our storm water drainage and and the runoff area. Um, with the design, there was very little room for air. Uh, both in the design, but both in the construction of that. Uh we did have some some issues this spring when the rain came in that we had ponds that were formed and so we made um some changes to that design at that point. Um now we're having different issues because so B and

I'll show you but basically we took a somewhat flat area and we put a little a little valley in um to be able to channel the water. What we're running into is if someone has their um their um motor down um or if their hitch on their truck is low, they're starting they're scraping because it's sending it down and then pushing it back up. Uh but in that downwards, we we have had some motors that have um have scrapes and you can see it in a picture that I show. So, so we're looking at redesigning that. Um, building that back up, but putting in a basically a metal channel um that would catch the water and then send it to where it needs to go, but make it um more of a a leveled surface and will help with the accessibility side too. um for cutting across from the um from the accessible parking stall to the pathway. So project management for that um the engineering um for that portion and then basically redesigning of it are the other pieces that that will be um be added to the parametrics uh contract. So their total contract between those and then the irrigation design is about $20,000 additionally. So then let's see. So that kind of covers the parametric portion director. The part where we were talking about where the builders were scraping, was that is that from previous is that had that has that portion already been like re the asphalt's all new there and that's a new

it's all it's all new asphalt. Yep. Yeah. So, there's two alternates that we've been considering. Um and I maybe I didn't shoot I didn't move the picture over. Um, so maybe kind of an initial design flaw.

Well, let me let me quickly just kind of show you another picture. I forgot to move one picture over. Okay. Well, I guess I can't access it. But what I was going to show you was a picture of um maybe I got an email. It it I'll it'll help ex it'll help show you uh Here we go. Through technology, we'll get there. That's the This one's a little better because it's further out. No.

So, what we're Yeah. What we're seeing here is follow my cursor. So, this was basically where we went to that second design and um tried to make it gradual um to be able to put and you can see obviously the water's channeling where it needs to go. But the problem we're running into is this is either a hitch or that's um you know the the blade from the motor um is scraping on the back end. Those that use it often um have been they know to come in at an angle or access it differently, but the general user that just doesn't care. Yeah.

Is just backing up and then they're they're hitting that area. Phone calls, any emails over this? Um, you know, honestly, the main communication has been from the Kitap Lake neighborhood group have been talking to us. Okay. Um, and they've seen it and, you know, we've all we've gone out and just kind of watched what's going on there to see see what's happening. Um, but yeah, that's really kind of where we received it from.

So, it's like higher than a than a speed book. Yeah, I can I can't remember how much I don't know if you remember how much the difference is from the bottom what the grade difference is. It was the standard whatever the standard storm water y yeah it worked for the storm water what we were trying to achieve but given the rigs and seeing some of the feedback that we've been seeing it's just like okay we probably need to make a little tweak to this.

Yeah. So, one of the the the first option uh was to look at again creating kind of that metal uh covered drain channel, bringing um bringing everything up to grade and then just running it straight across to here. So, it basically collects everything as you can see here that kind of channels into that that spot. Um the other option which um what did this earlier? Oh, it's not up there. The other option is to channel it all the way across because the other issue we're running into, if you haven't been out there yet, this parking lot is just it's a it it should be like a test site and for someone to say, "Okay, tell me what to do." um because there's you could probably come up with a a million different answers. Um so on the on the um kind of more of the north um west side um we do already have kind of a burm that we had built by parking stalls that are up front to continue to channel the water this way. Uh but the issue we're running into with that is that is exiting at this sidewalk and then it's kind of dispersing itself into this planter bed.

And so to make it look like a finished product and consistent um option two essentially and intentional the option two brings it all the way across. And so now it'll catch everything that's coming from this hillside over here as well. That's better then, right? Yeah. It costs more. Oh, but it's it's a better long-term solution. Yeah.

Yeah. Because it dips, right? It dips down and kind of really connects up real quick. accessible accessible boat trailer.

But if you you can't really see it super close, but this shows you how slight that grade is and how much space we have to get it into um this pot is where where everything drains into. And so it's pretty much nearly level. there's just a very slight grade difference uh that we were working with. So yeah, I don't don't necessarily we don't necessarily blame the original design or the construction side of it. It's just a it's a tough uh situation and scenario that we were we we've been put in and after seeing use of it,

we we know that we have an idea that's probably our best solution overall. What does it what does it look like of the area that we're fixing? Um I'm confused on is it get like dug out like how how are we going to correct that? So what'll happen? Yeah. Yeah. So that asphalt will get dug back out. Um and then um essentially um yeah, I'm not sure how if they'll go back as far. Okay. Um but it'll get dug out and then there'll be a little channel that'll be created that the um

the metal piece will be with with the lid will be put into the pump there. It'll be smooth. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So, it'll be a it'll pretty much be a direct shot straight in then with no with no hump because we had looked at, you know, do we put a curb in there? Would that help? I mean, you know, the curb design on the other side is okay. It does just doesn't look right. But it was really the only option we had to get all the water to where it needed to go. Is it gouging like when it is I mean those look pretty substantial. Are they gouged pretty good? Yeah, they're in there. Yeah, you can see. It's not just

It's hard to tell from here, but yeah, you can kind of tell like here that Yeah. Oh, for sure. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Couple years, you won't have to take it out. It all be

Yeah. Yeah. And really the only other issue I've I've been alerted to is is some of the rock that's down here. You get some people that when they're loading their jetboats, uh they just hit it real hard and then it disperses a bunch of the rock that's meant to be there. Um and so yeah, besides signage and other things. Yeah. And we were we I mean we were really confined by the extent of our permits as far as what we can do to what what distance. Um so yeah speed camera the deer money. Yeah. So what's next in getting that corrected director is that

so going to run those two once we get a a concrete price for the or a secured price for u the rebuild of that section. Um, so we're working with Redside and who is the contractor at the site. Um, and they've got a couple bids that they're putting together with two potential contractors. One that did the original work and one is a different company uh that they reached out to. So we'll find out what that is and then get that to council. Um, we're hoping to get secure pricing this week, maybe I think was the plan. So then I can get it on that September 10th meeting uh for the for their their study session and then it would be uh go for approval on the 17th.

Um when they do do the work, what kind of downtime are we looking at with that boat that boat launch not being available? Um I don't know if we know that yet. Um, but we could, yeah, I mean with asphalt, um, we we'll we'll probably obviously try to at this point wait until the majority of the season's over, but before we get into winter to get the construction done. Uh, I mean, it was the ramp was down the first month or two of the busier season this year and they just use the alternate ramps that are at the at the lake. They don't like them because they like ours the best.

But typically see those metal grains of salt and at least a concrete. Yeah, that's there could be concrete that'll be adjacent to it. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So, it's probably going to be a mix of asphalt and concrete. Now, is that one of the parks that we shut down that does We got a gate out there that's We do have a gate there. Yep. has used have we seen us pick up out there quite a bit now for since this Oh, it's crazy. Crazy busy. Yep. Yeah. Very busy. Fishing fishing period.

Oh, yeah. Yeah. It's fun. If you ever get a chance to get out there, it's fun to see how many people are out there. I I go and kayak the lake every so often and even 7 8 a.m. Um it's really kind of fun to see people sitting out there and fishing and Yeah. Yeah. Does the health district still have no project on that water right now? I have not heard they lifted it. Oh, yeah. Okay. It was in the paper this was on in Friday's paper because I saw the article in the paper about all the work. It's kind of fun when we hear stuff like that stuck in hand, too. Like we had no idea. Yeah. Okay. But it's back open. Good. Thank you.

Yeah. You can water just not county problem. We've passed it down the road. Okay. Good. All right. Uh any commissioners have any other questions or comments on that? All right. All right. Uh next up we have our this is our amendment to uh tonight's agenda and this is uh the proposed PSC charging stationer line.

Cool. Good job remembering. Okay. So, you do have a handout with two pages. I kind of figured that those were the most important. Uh the the photo is a little bit more difficult to see, so I'll just kind of enlarge it here for you. So, we did briefly talk in the past about some conversations we'd been having with PSSE and they wanted to put two to three um charging stations as kind of demos in the community. And so they took some public input. Uh they took staff input. Um they had a list of 10 sites. They've dwindled it down to three and two are park locations out of the three. Yay. Parks. Um so this and and Kuanas Park are the two that they're looking at putting them into. And so they're wanting us they they sent this to us I think end of day Friday. Um and would like us to review. and we talked internally and thought, well, since we've already discussed this, it'd be great to bring it to the commission if you had any comments. Um, so you can see here, Whoops. Come on. You can see here the the work zone area. Um, so just to orient yourself, the boat launch is up on the corner here. obviously the boat parking area that's getting properly utilized in the and whatever map system they used. Um and and so here's yeah so here is they've got the work zone area kind of sectioned off there just to kind of give you an idea and that's a there's only

certain polls of theirs that they could utilize and this is one of them um is was their reason for selecting that poll. Um, here's kind of shows you on the bottom corner what eventually that would look like. So, I don't know if you noticed that there looked like there were more stalls than what is shown here uh for the two EV charging stations and then the poll. Um, so that's probably part of a lot some of the discussion that we want to make sure we have is um they would be reducing the number of available parking stalls uh because of the space that they need uh for those charging stations. So this shows you what type of signage would go up. Uh EV charging only um signage just you know kind of standard. It just kind of shows you what the charging box looks like. I feel like I keep going too far forward.

Yeah. So, this is a pay to use. It's there's no cost to us to install. It's just a pay to use to the customer. Yeah. So, um it it's in a box that's up above that the cord is pulled from and then connected. And I can't remember if there is Yeah. So you've got over here you can see you can pay with a card. Yeah. On that slot. Um I would assume that they might have a phone option but it might just be card only.

Um shoot where was the maybe it was back. Oh there this is what I was looking for. So essentially to get to this point um it's going to take up four stalls to get to is what is is the biggest issue that we saw and I'm not sure if there's really any way for them to get around that or not. Um just because of the SP. So we're we're Yeah. The net gain the net loss is two. Yeah. It's really four. It's really four. Yeah. because they're even.

Yeah. So, it'll be interesting to see um you know, assuming this moves forward, how often are those spots being utilized um and whether this is a quick charge station, I haven't read in to see if that detail yet. So, whether it's kind of one of the supercharged ones that you can get a full charge in 30 minutes or whether it's kind of more of a slower charge. Um I haven't read it. Probably says it in the information. I just haven't had time to read it. Yeah, that would that would help when they determine that because people might be panicking about leaving the market just sure if they had

Oh, yeah. Leaving it in time. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And I don't think I would assume the full intent to using a system like this wouldn't be if you're nearly at zero that you're going to sit and charge your entire vehicle. It's to charge it enough to get you somewhere else. PSC doesn't even this isn't costing us a dime. It's not costing us a dime. They're making a dime, but it's to us it would be more of like providing a service to the users of the park. Benefit. There's not a whole lot of public public charging stations and barometer.

Yeah. I don't even know besides uh pay lots. Um I don't think the city has any that we have ourselves. Vehicles only. Yep. And then kids up Transwood has some over on the east side, but vehicle, you know. Yeah. Yeah. The only ones city ones I've seen are in the basement of Norm Dicks. Yeah. In the parking lot there. Yeah. There's some in the parking garage I think for a little enforcement there. Oh, okay. Yes. For impart hospital. Yeah. Over in Silverdale. I mean, when you look on your map, it looks like there's a whole bunch. Sure. Except when you drive to one. Yeah. Yeah.

I think you had a photo of what it actually looks like, but maybe on a city street. Was that a, you know, the full view there? Looking like like here. It's on the road. I could pull it down. Yeah. Yeah. It doesn't look like they have it attached to the car, which would go in great for the picture. So, there's an existing pole there. Is that Yeah. And and only certain poles of theirs they can use. Okay. Um Oh, that's it.

But yeah, so my understanding would be is um I would I miss I think that you put your card in and then it drops down and provides it to you and then it releases back up once you're done. They can't provide a little picnic area with solar cells on the roof for us. We can always ask. Yeah. I'm here to get a two and a half gallons full of uh Yeah. Yeah.

Is there any way that do this less space? I mean it seems like yeah we can ask if there's any way to reduce that it seems that we have uh didn't need this much space. Yeah, you just use the same train that does have four public charging stations and okay,

they're always fun to get to because you know it's like we've got to plug in our charging stations at a time that energized to find a time to get down there. We're going to walk home anyhow. Yeah. So that's where you're having to charge at. Yeah. That's where I usually was in this gas 10 and that's um but it seems like four parking spaces is unreal. And um you look at the Kitsat transit station, they have one space for those little green things. They have four spaces and they don't have they look like regular size spaces, too.

Okay. So, I would just wonder if we can do that, but I don't I what the reasoning is for it. I mean, we're we're showing right there. We're showing 26 feet. And if I put these stocks, they're nine. What's the time? Yeah, I'm thinking.

Yeah, I was going to look and see if they had the full What? 32 right now. Yeah. So, I think Yeah, the 32 by 25. Yeah. What's the I'm wondering like what that 5 foot buffer for. I wonder if that's like some kind of code kind of deal just because of you're running power right there. Yeah, I know. I mean, you got 5 foot buffer in between the spots. Yeah, I just I I don't see that in other EV spots. What's a standard parking spot? About 9 ft. 9 ft. And then 8 foot compact, right? Yeah. Like an an SUV. Two of those side by side, didn't I?

Yeah. I would I would assume that the thought process is you can't you don't know for sure what size vehicle you have but even if you offset them does it do you have a larger one and a smaller car I mean the cars have plugins every place the front it's the back it's the left side it's the right because they're trying to center the Yeah there's Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Because you almost wonder like Yeah. Is this seems like this is nowhere in play or shouldn't be in play. Yeah. Those three stalls just need to get

Yeah. Yeah. We can definitely take that to them and ask them. Yeah. install two parking zones 18 by 12 with a 5ft separations. And we already know that parking's tough at Evergreen Park already. We probably need more, but I also hate getting rid of green space for more parking. But any

I asked that's what my recommendation was when we first talked about it. Um, and I think the proximity um, with the pathway um, I want to say that I don't quote me for sure, but I thought they said that they didn't have anything that was in the planter strip. Um, or they didn't like putting it there. Those would be parallel uh, parking spots. But yeah, that's what my original proposal was. I didn't I wasn't sure what they were going to come back and recommend to us. Um, but they're obviously looking at established parking stalls now. And you haven't seen the one Karly.

This is the This is the only one they've sent us. That's all street. Yeah. Yeah. And I think the the thought with Kuanas, besides the fact that it gets used quite a bit. Um, but there's PSNS right there. Um, that people do park there in that M park kind of parking area. And so that would be a good spot to put one. I think that's a good spot. For sure. Yeah, this is a Yeah. Okay. No, I appreciate you guys taking a look at it.

I'd love to see what the parking lot looked like today. There was backup. I'm sure every stall most every day. Yeah. That wasn't a summer day that was taken. So, do you need anything else from Not really. No, we're just um they're collecting feedback. Um we just thought it would be good to run it and let you see it as well. Um not only as um since we've talked about it previously, but um it's something we'd like to see, but we want to make sure it's done correctly. Yeah, I like just getting more ones for the public and that's that's great. here. I just, you know, charge at home, but when I get to Portland, I need to recharge. But they got bumped out there.

Oh, yeah. They're all over. Yep. Where were um director, where were you thinking about like at what spot? So, the original thought we had when we were talking about it at staff would have been, and I can't remember what street that is out there. Yeah. But along the street, the park. Yeah. Yeah. Fourth. Oh, no. Oh, yeah. Um, yeah, there kind of out in front of the pizza joint area along the street there was kind of what my initial thought was. Yeah, but they didn't park those park. Oh,

maybe they didn't have a pro there director or something. Yeah, I think that's kind of the feedback and they I don't think they were real excited. There was a few spots we looked at like Lions we talked about, but um because the pole sits up so high, um the charging units would have to sit really low. Uh because there's that big drop from the road down to the parking area. Um but that was one of ours that we were hoping that we could look at putting one. Uh but it just didn't didn't work out. Okay. Yeah, that's that little inlet area. It is. Yeah, it's free. Yeah, garden.

I just wonder about impact to elder people mobile that just want to drive and show you. Sure. I don't know. It looks like it's pretty far away from the playground. Yes. So, uh playground's over here dragging three kids and their Yeah. Too bad it's not Yeah. There's also, and I don't think there's a pole, but there's also that and light poles don't count. Um there, uh those wouldn't work well. Yeah.

Um or work for what they need. Um but that little parking area here. Yeah. I was kind of that was another thought. We do have a trans that picture that there would be uh are the are the parking stalls centered uh is that st is that pole centered in between the two stalls under I'm almost thinking that's what the they want that I'm thinking they want that pole centered in between two two of their two their slots. That's probably going to happen. Yeah, because they're obviously going off of the pre-established parking. Yeah. Yeah. I think the pole looks like it's about right in the middle of one of them. It's right in the middle of one. It's right in the middle of a spot.

Yeah. Where they in middle. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Just pick space. Yeah. Yeah. I'm I'm Yeah, that I agree though. They could they could still widen this by a foot on either side, still have a pathway there and be able to use either side of those, I would think. But they would know more than I do. Yeah. So would losing three spots be acceptable?

Yeah. If we could get one battery. Yes. So the parks department is the one that's going to be putting in charging stations more than the city. So we're not So this is this is city city but it's not a park in the park. It's it's in the park but it's a city site. So we looked at city sites. Okay. And they felt that our two parks were two of the top three. And I think there's a spot downtown they were looking at as well, but they felt that the most utilization they'd get would be at these locations.

They were going to install meters in each of those spots. So the park generates some Yeah. Yes. Yeah. I'm not up to date on all the charging systems. Are they like universal? No. Tesla Tesla, don't they? It's becoming the standard though. They do have the moment. The people that have Teslas have adapters that go to the other quad. Yeah. than other people got some J something. Yeah. Do they need interesting

but they got to come officular? Yeah. Not Yeah, that is Thank you for bringing that director. I appreciate that. All right, let's move into new business. We have a pros plan chapter.

Okay, we're coming close. We are if if you're looking at it and being like, "Hey, we did four last month." Yeah, we did. Uh but there was there was some information that was missing last month. Um and so we wanted to be able to bring that back to you. Um just so you kind of had more of a final version of it. Let's see. So, I'll also put the actual version on the screen up here. So, then you can kind of see it of what we're looking at. So, four was our needs analysis um where we went through kind of our levels levels of service standards, the parks within a certain, you know, walking driving distance within neighborhoods, our 10-minute walk campaign. Um, and so really what we're looking at is updating the park metrics. And so this was some of the information that um, we hadn't entered information since 2020. So needed to go in and get some information added in there. And I initially entered it as 2025 and there wasn't a whole lot of comparables at that point. So then I just copy and pasted it into 2024 because everybody for the most part part had already entered everything from last year. And so that's what gave us what's what's in the Excel spreadsheets that you have now. So just wanted to provide that to you. We don't really need to have a whole lot of conversation on it, but again, it's just kind of gives you comparables. Um just as note on that first page. Previously, um NRPA broke out um a couple of these sections into what the lower lower cortile, the median, and then the upper. Um, now they some of them they just chose to just give you what the median was. And so

that's why there's kind of grayed out shaded areas, but then and on like the second page, um, a number of them do have the lower, middle, and upper just to kind of show you as a comparison. Um, and I'll kind of tell you a little bit besides, you know, we broke out a few options just to kind of give you an idea. Um like for example facilities we have two buildings we operate at 38,000 square feet um compar comparable to the median um which was 40,000 square ft. Uh but typically a community our size for population has three to four buildings with that square footage as opposed to two. So maybe they have a much smaller uh community center. um you know they may have a separate I didn't count the pool as a facility because we don't operate it but it is ours um and um so we could could have been above that but yeah just kind of some interesting kind of comparables those are some of the things you can make assumptions on is they have you know maybe a youth center that's smaller um and their rec center is is a smaller size as well. Um, but yeah, kind of some interesting information and I'd be happy down the road to dig into this a little bit more once we're through the pros plan. Um, and we can kind of get into get into further detail. U, but is kind of interesting to look at, you know, where where are our services as far as our our um departments um budget and expenditures versus um the Northwest and um um nationally. And it kind of seems like there's there are some trends in the Northwest of maybe some smaller parks um as opposed to um nationally some communities and we're looking at 20 to 50,000. Um so we're kind of just almost at that upper cusp of that

population area. Um but some of the a lot of the communities within um our size nationally, you know, you look at their total number of acres. Um, so yeah, here's a kind of a good example is, you know, um, and and it's just kind of broken out into different different ways, but um, 292 and the lower cortile was 47 437. So as far as number of parks, we're towards the top, but our acreage is below uh, the bottom. And so that shows you that we have a lot of small parks. Um, with that, um, those of us that, you know, look, look at these types of things tells you, you know, we have more parks, they're smaller, we're we're transitioning from one place to the next, probably more often, so we're probably not as efficient uh because we have um our acreage spread out in further areas as opposed to one or or a couple larger parks where we may have full-time staff that are there at all times. So, that's kind of one of those assumptions you can you can look at. And here's another interesting one, too. You know, our non-p park sites. So, those are essentially sites smaller um you know, or fountain type parks. So, like Harbor side would be considered one of those. Uh we're definitely um over what the upper is uh because of these smaller areas that we're maintaining um that other communities aren't necessarily doing. All of their features are within designated areas. So um really kind of interesting um um kind of interesting information, but yeah, if you want to take a look at that and if you have any questions for me, uh please feel free to ask me. be happy to answer them.

And these are 2024 then. Yeah, essentially 2024. Yeah. Yeah. The the Northwest comparables is 2025. Okay.

So the 11 from there and then the I haven't had to put my glasses on yet, but 226 maybe for the for the national. So there's quite a few examples um that are there for that. And then the other one that we discuss, the other page that we didn't have in um this section last month that um came out of discussion was how do we address um our houseless population? Um and so we thought creating a page for it made sense. Um and so it's in it's it's found within this chapter within the needs analysis now. Um, so we have um um a full page on it and then on the bottom, you know, a description of the partner we have with Common Street to show that the city's entered into a contract with an organization that helps us with addressing um the anti-amping ordinance um and um responding to citizen staff reports uh situations that they encounter and trying to connect individuals with um with resources. So, um, hopefully this is what we wanted to see when we kind of talked about it. Um, at least that we get it in there so we know it's it's addressed. Um, and and not that we have a million solutions yet at all, but maybe in six years we will, but at least that it makes it into the pros plan. So, this is a new page. But yeah, if you have any questions um on that at all, please please let me know and apologize for getting it to you today, but um you've got it. You've got it now.

The 11 people that are mentions, are those 11 we're talking full-time employees or is that Yes. Okay. That's not We don't know seats in the No, I think that's just um your full time. Okay. Yeah. So that's that's what we have for the update to chapter 4.

All right. Any commissioners have any other questions or comments on board? All right. Next up is number five. Number five, our last chapter to review. And expected sharing or something. [Laughter] Yeah.

So really within this section um um you know obviously our action plan how do we take all the information that we've gathered from the public over the last um almost year and equate it into projects uh moving forward. Um so and I'll show it up on the screen a little bit better but just kind of wanted to walk through the chapter first. So we have our six-year capital facilities plan. Um so within this these are our proposed from staff so um definitely uh take some time to look at it if you haven't already. Um but highlighted some areas that we felt needed to be um kind of focal points even though some of them may fall under um a medium priority as opposed to a high but we still feel like there needs to be some attention drawn to them. Um, and then the 20-year capital plan, uh, we really reduced the 20-year down, um, partly because we felt like we can adapt with our six years, um, but didn't want to have too many different things listed on the 20-year or we may have had um, a like three or four items that were related to the community center when in reality um, the community center, we have noted our proposal is to do a feasibility study study. So if we're recommending the feasibility study to decide what is the longest and best use of this site and for our department moving forward, we should probably hold off on doing 20-year plans for the building if if we may choose a different route. So that that's kind of some of the thought process in it. Um some of the items um especially like in the 20-year plan, those aren't necessarily in order of priority. Um but items that we um feel need to be addressed and we've looked at

and are um parks that just haven't really seen much effort uh or funds being able to be put towards them. And so that's really kind of what we want to look at as far as our direction moving forward. Um then the next few pages really just kind of talks about um some capital project funding options. Most of these stayed pretty consistent. Um I think we may have had a couple that dropped off that aren't funding sources anymore and picked up another one or two. Um, but it really is just kind of a general explanation and the full scope of the pros plan as far as where we look for um, matching fund options for when we're looking at grants or partner agencies. So, Yeah, I didn't necessarily plan to walk through all of these, but if we want to, we can.

Um, but obviously um some of the items that we've seen come out of the surveying. Um I don't think pump track trying pump track was in there before. Um there

yeah there are some items that we've looked at um and discussed you know like most recently talking with um you know roller skating was something that came up and in the last six years is when we lost the roller rink. So that was something that people wanted to see um addressed. you know, we're not necessarily our department is necessarily in the business of indoor specialized facilities. Um, but definitely feel that it's a something that's deficient in the community and maybe needs to be addressed by um a private business venture and that's kind of, you know, in some of our discussions there are items like that. Um there's projects too that we could uh potentially incorporate um you know roller der outdoor practice area for roller derby or for um a great example is the um the bike polo. Um, I'm working on a project. Um, it's it's kind of tied with, well, really kind of tied and the funding's tied through, um, related to the FIFA World Cup coming to the region. Um, but this is a private foundation that's putting funds together for essentially soccer sport courts, but at the same time, it could be something that we separately fundraised for and are able to put padded walls up or walls up for that could be utilized for for bike polo. Um, so it's a soccer um, facility that's on an asphalt surface or concrete surface meant for soccer, but we can adapt it to be able to make it multi-use. And that's really, I think, how we're going to be able to address some of those additional needs is we're looking at multi-function facilities until there can be standalone.

We just need Kenny to come back with 2,000 bikers and $10 million. But yeah, so if if something's not specifically addressed, um it is within summaries of the of the um summaries of the um the surveying that we did and everything else. So

director on the 20ear IC properties, I'm not familiar with the old waterhed. Yeah, that is a really good question. So, there is a is it a public works well or a lift station that's out there? Um, the Tracy Forested property. Oh, yeah. Yeah.

And did we decide that it's on a hillside? We haven't gone out to visit it. We in talking with it because it's been on there, but we want to go out and take a site visit and see what the reality is of making it a a forested um pathway system. Yeah.

And it's in the city limits. Yeah. Well, it's in the urban growth boundary. It's got the potential. Yeah, it's one that council um had conversations about a few months ago when looking at um it's it's within an area that the city provides city services to but they don't pay taxes to but they basically pay one and a half times a residential rate for it to make up the difference.

Is it a quite a big property? I'm not familiar with that at all. Yeah, we don't identify it as actual park of ours and it is it public works. Yeah. When are you going to go hiking there? What's that? When are you going to go? I don't know. Whenever. Call me. You want to go? Yeah. Okay. As long as we got cell phone and GPS, we got to find our way out. That's right. Just just keep going downhill. There you go. The sound. Yeah.

There's still a trace of port. Yes, there's electric still. Yeah, there is. I wonder if they I wonder if we could do it in my project if get some money. They actually tried that AMXT um art of being full of lines over the boat. I'm not sure. They weren't interested. So if I pulled it up on this forested area that right on the curve right in here. Yeah, I think that's

Yeah, I think it's a 40acre. So, that's the that's the public works facility there. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Nucket. Yeah. Okay. It's adjacent to the Okay. I know where I'm at. Okay. I'm tracking. Yeah. You're close to the city over there. Oh, inevitable. It's a big truck right? It is. Yeah. And what And what I'm What is that? You say water or something? Yeah. I can't remember if they have a well there or it's a reservoir.

Okay. There's 40 41 traced in acres. Has separate partial with reservoir 16 within this parcel. It's west of Pine and south of Ryell. And it is uh owned by utilities. Wow. to get into like is it pretty slope? Yeah. Yeah. It's Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. The fund ownership actually came from. Cool. So, is it fenced? No, it was cuz I locked in. I was gonna say.

Yeah. Interesting. I know. I see where you're going. Yeah. That Nucket. Those are newer homes right there. Back into Okay. Thank you for showing me that. I had never seen that at all. Yeah. the more you know. Yeah. Drop the knowledge on me at trivia night somewhere locally.

Chapter five. Yeah. No. So, moving from there, um, next month, um, our plan is to work, I say our, but Colette's going to be gone next week.

So, my plan is to start getting the appendices all put together. Um and uh hopefully by midepptember because yeah she's been working on getting um photos updated um quotes updated and then we'll renumber things with some different pages. We've dropped pages out of pages. Uh but hopefully get a good um draft version to you. Um try to get it to you at least 10 days, maybe two weeks before our next meeting for you to kind of take a look at it. Uh we know it's a lot of information, but we've also walked through the the entire process. So hopefully you don't have any there's nothing glaring that you might see there. Um but the plan, yeah, to get it to you by mid month next month and then really um at our next meeting is when we'll need uh the commission to to be able to vote on adopting uh the draft plan. So then we can move it on uh through the review process, right? Um, and then eventually our um, and so we'll make it public too at that point. So it'll be online for people to be able to view and review. Probably section it out by chapters uh, so then it's easier for them to to walk through the pages. Um, and then um, December 3rd go in front of council with our public hearing. So then they can take any last public comments regarding it. uh council will have as well midepptember until December for their own review and to look at um and to and to provide any comments or thoughts to me that they have and then their adoption would be December 17th at their last meeting for the year is what the plan is.

So yeah. Yeah. With that said, my next piece is um our memberships. Um so the we have we're a seven member um commission.

Um and I'm telling myself it is nothing related to all the work you've had to put in this last year. Uh but not everybody's going to be with us through the rest of the year. Um Ken Riley did submit his resignation yesterday. So, he has um uh I'm sure he's got plenty of other things. He's been he's it's been hard for him to be able to make our meetings, and I appreciate him stepping up and and letting us know that. With that, we have um technically two positions open as of today. Um our two um I don't know if I'm sure that you didn't get a call or no

or anything sent to no balloons sent to you. Uh but but you did get Yeah, you did get reappointed. Um and then Jim Jim's term will be up at the end of September. Um and so he has chosen to not continue. Um he didn't say anything bad about anybody. So yeah, and then um Amy is uh in the process of relocating and so I have forced her to commit forced her to commit through December

um just in case it were needed. But really come the end of December um and I'm not forcing her to leave at that point but really at that point we'll be um at four me four current members for October through December. And so we need to do some recruiting. Sure.

Um so if you know of anybody I I talked to uh at our pip meeting earlier today. So the parks finance investment I talked to the director. Every meeting I'm going to be going to until we get more members. I'm just going to be promoting and talking about what we're doing. My my original plan was um hopefully to when we're replacing positions kind of wait till January when the new pros plan is in place um so they're not coming in at the very last minute. But um really once we get this plan uh the draft adopted by the commission um I'm happy to you know kind of bring people on at that point. I just didn't want anybody having to come in midstream. Um, so there's, uh, Ken, let's see, Ken's position. Um, so there's really kind of three options for those that are going to if people are looking uh to fill current vacancies. Um, one is going to be a completion of a the last year of a term. So, if someone is interested but doesn't want to no doesn't isn't sure how long they want to commit, we will have one position that's for a year. We'll have one that'll be two, that's Ken's position, and then we'll have one that hasn't been filled in a while that'll end up being a three-year term. Um, so those are options, which will be nice to be able to offer up to people. But yeah, if you know anybody out there um that that's interested um

applications on the city website, applications on the city website. We'll we'll be doing some internal promotions through social media and then on the city website, too, specifically for this this commission. count the uh count the city council members. Yeah. Yeah. And that's like the idea about them doing some reinforcement. For sure. Yeah. And so I did to three of them today at a meeting earlier today, but I'll do it next week when I'm talking about Kitap Lake, I'll say, "Oh, by the way, um Yeah. So, anytime I'm with the council, I'll make sure that that we are um because I like having it distributed throughout the city.

It's really Yeah, really nice. Yeah, it's nice to have a good mix. Um, you know, not like we're opposed to somebody that has a particular interest area. Um, but which is great, but we also want people that want to see, you know, positive things happen in the community. So, thank you for that plug. Appreciate that. Not that I need to sell sell it to you guys, but

All right. Last up, we have commissioners comments. Uh, Commissioner Wel, we'll start with you. I want to say thank you for letting me stay on. I was terrified when I first came on because I didn't know squad. I just had my love and passion for Breton and I knew that giving back is how you keep your community strong and going and I've learned so much. I appreciate you guys and all your work you do. Thank you so much and I look forward to is it three years or three? Yeah. Okay. Thank you. All right. Commissioner Warren.

Well, I actually was I will say it again. Uh when I let Tim know I'm relocating out of the country

um and that it didn't seem feasible for me to continue, he said, "Well, you know, you've been involved in the reworking of our plan. Could you stay on till December?" And I am not leaving Breton completely. I will be coming back occasionally, but I was so pleased that um you wanted me to stay and it allows me to feel connected and I would just, you know, mirror what you were saying as somebody who is very new to Breton to get involved with the parks and recreation committee. um just opened the community to me and it's amazing what you learn and the people you meet and um this is an incredible city and their employees are as well in particular in the arts department. So uh yeah that's just my very comment. Um I did have a question though um back to the issue with Forest Ocean Park. Um, so Tim secured a spot for parks and wreck to participate on the finance committee. Um, is there a lot of communications with the public safety committee? Because it's really an issue of both. So, um, I know that the police department is very involved in providing updates there, but their priority for communicating what's happening and what the impact is in relation to public safety uh, may be different. you know, what's happening at Forest Ridge, for example, might be 30th in the list of things that they need to go through. So, I wondered if there was because different council members are on different committees. If you feel like there's enough

Yeah, that's a really good point. I mean, on the side, Brian is on a couple different committees um with representatives from police, fire. I obviously interact regularly with the police and fire chief. Uh but having us present on on whether it's concerns or things we've shown you might be a good idea for that safety committee because um often times on PIP this one page.

Yeah. Often times on PIP um you know we'll have public works or other departments that are presenting because they're applying for grants or other things that are funding related, but there definitely could be some crossover. we're just so new. I just hadn't we hadn't really discovered or thought about what to what extent could we take our show on the road. Uh but I think that's a good idea. Yeah. And I think what we wanted to start with was something at this level

u and getting the buyin of all of all the commissioners. So we have that to present. Now this will open the doors for us to be able to go to the police and be able to go to the fire and say, "Hey, this is what we're thinking about doing. We're going to need to order a Knox box." You know, something like that. So this this gets the wheels going. Um so that's a good thing. Great. Thank you, Commissioner. Yeah. No, that's a great comment. Yeah.

Commissioner McDonald, nothing tonight. Commissioner Dawson, I think I've said enough. I just want to thank everybody that's been involved in Forest Ridge. You know, I that's that's you really you really do the part. I mean, I I love uh when neighborhoods in a neighborhood adopts a park and feels like it's part of the others. I love that. Awesome. Thank you. All right. I don't have anything. Meeting a journ. Okay. Thank everybody.