Fiscal Court - Regular Meeting

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All right. Good morning and welcome to the V County Fiscal Court this morning. Uh December the 9th, 9:00 a.m. Uh Madame Clerk, do we have a quorum and has this meeting been properly advertised? Yes. All right. Um, if everyone would please silence your cell phones, uh, so they don't disrupt the meeting, that would be very much appreciated. And Mr. Sleeper, if I could get or sheriff, would you shut the door, please? Yes, ma'am. If you want to come in, you can. Here. All right. Thank you very much. Okay. Um, Major Sleeper, we have you down for the invocation this morning. Let's pray.

Thank you. Father God in heaven as we come together we pray for all the government officials whether they [clears throat] be national or state or local. We ask Lord that you will grant all grace to us to face the unique challenges that we do. Lord we ask that you'll give us insight into the needs of our community and discernment to make good decisions and to lead well. Lord, as we celebrate this season of your first advent, may we govern in the spirit of anticipation of your second advent. And may we do our part, Lord, to cultivate a culture that is just and compassionate [snorts] and prosperous in wisdom. Lord, we ask that you grant protection to our first responders and to the men and women who serve our nation and our in our military forces. And we ask, Lord God, that your peace would prevail. In the name of Jesus, we pray. Amen.

Amen. Thank you very much. Today we have pledge of allegiance with Ellie Baston and Alice WZ. Ellie, what grade are you in? Sixth. Sixth grade. And Alice? Six. Sixth grade. And you all attend Bulcan Middle [snorts] School? All right. And you've got some people here with you. Who Who have you got with you? Mom and dad. MOM AND DAD. ALL RIGHT. ALICE. MOM. MOM. OKAY. All right. Well, you girls will come up front here and they are going to lead us in our pledge this morning. And so Bull County is well represented today. [clears throat] You may begin.

I aliance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands. One nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. All right, girls. Thank you. Can I have a certificate for both of you for leading the court in the pledge of allegiance? Alice, that one's yours. Ellie, this one's yours. If you all would not mind to come over here with me and we're going to get a picture. How about that? Yeah. Hold your Come over here. Put your teeth together. There you go. Look at Look at Mom and Miss Julie. Got it.

All right. Thank you, girls. We appreciate it. You all can stay and be entertained or you're welcome to go back to school. Merry Christmas. [laughter] Merry Christmas.

All right. Uh, prior meeting minutes of November the 25th. Do I have a motion to approve? So move. Master Gay, second by Mag Cullen. Cullen. Didn't hear who did that. Sorry. Any discussion? All those in favor signify by saying I. I. Any oppose? Nay. Motion carries. Minutes are approved. Next we have uh budget transfers. I have budget transfers of $19,3325.

Okay. Motion to approve. So move. Mr. Gate. Second. Moren. Any discussion on budget transfers? Seeing none. All those in favor signify by saying I. Any oppose? Nay. Motion carries. Cash transfers.

Several [snorts] of those. from the general fund to the jail $150,000 from the general fund to EMS $150,000 from the general or from occupational tax fund to the general fund 1,96 or $96,4141. And then we have from the road department to the general fund $88181. And last is from the general fund to the interest bearing account $1 million.

That all? That's it. [laughter] Motion to approve. Make a motion. Measure Sleeper. Second by Maser Bonner. Any discussion on the cash transfers? Seeing none. All those in favor signify by saying I. I. Any oppose? Nay. Motion carries. All right. Now we're going to approve the bills. Good morning. Good morning. Good morning.

All right. Today's bill packet totals $2,699,21059. I need to add one bill to that. It is for Protek. Uh it was cable cable repair invoice. They had accidentally cut cables at public works. So, we had to fix that for $426. That's going to bring your [clears throat] grand total to 2,699,63659. Okay. Is there a motion to approve? Make a motion. Master Norman, there second. Second. Master Gay. Any discussion on the bills? Yeah. Okay. Uh, Master C.

Important one on there that I'm glad to see is on there is a Fall County Shop with a cop. Yes. Uh we're donating the to that. Yes. And then they also accept private donations as well. Yes, they do. So I encourage [clears throat] anyone to uh uh open up your wallets because it's a great experience for those kids to go shop with uh law enforcement. Absolutely. So I'm I'm very grateful that you all did that. So thanks. I think the county should sponsor help sponsor that shop with the support our local law enforcement. So yeah, thank you.

All right. Any other comments or questions about the bills? Motion to approve. Oh, we already had it. Sorry. All those in favor signify by saying I. Any oppose? Nay. Motion carries. Thank you. Thank you, Miss Elena. Appreciate it. All right. Every day is a special day, but today is especially special because we have with us today the class 4A coach of the year, Justin Hadex. [applause] ALL RIGHT. AND WE ALSO have class A 2025 state football champions, the Bo County Rebels.

All right. We brought a few of our captains, some of our seniors. Um, very blessed to to be here and some of them got some awards and go around through here. Senica was our class 4A player of the year 2025. He's a junior, so we got him coming back. Uh we got uh Daryl Yansy. We were looking at Daryl Yansy the third. He is u he's our all area alignment of the year and then he also broke the the record for tackles for loss at B County High School. So that Tommy Zemer had that record and he tied for the sack leader. So Darren there awesome. Awesome.

You gotations John Smith Heisel is you know ended up he he's going to be a Mr. Football candidate. There's nine candidates. He's going to be up for Mr. football this year as a senior and Daryl's going to be up for the lineman of the year also for our thing. But, uh, a lot of these guys here were all either captains for us and and just, uh, really blessed to get to coach these young men when you look at them and all the hard work that they've, uh, they've worked towards. You know, Jax, if you saw number 13, if you saw somebody play like a wild man, this [laughter] right and just and I think everybody kind of bought into to the way that he played and did this. You look at I can say a little something about all them. I said Cliff Yokum was a kid who was injured a little bit earlier. They said, "Hey, you got to have surgery, do this." He said, "No, I'll just wait till after the year to have surgery and toughed it [clears throat] out." And did that with his knee. Uh

that's dedication right there.

Yes. Yeah. And was a dominant player for us on on both sides of the line. Um you got Bobby McFerson who'd been here, been a starter for a couple years and and then playing offense, defense, really a lock down corner for us. Kane Logan's a junior. Probably one of the most underrated kids that we had as far as maybe on the stat sheet. Didn't show up as much as as what some people thought, but he he was always making plays for us on offensive defense and really really good player. And then Jake Ray is another senior who just continued to get better in a lock down corner and then dynamic with the ball in his hands as far as we could do. Lucas Acres led us in tackles. He's a junior coming back playing [snorts] linebacker. I went that one. Coach Kelly who's a four-year starter. He's one of the only four-year starters I've ever had since I've been here and played on both sides of the line of scrimmage and really dominant player for us all four years. And then Brad Borders Kaufman um is a a linebacker who's probably second or third I think in tackles for us, a junior, but really a good leader for us on defense. And uh you know it takes everybody and you know everybody wants to talk about these guys don't care about stats. They don't care about any of that stuff. They're they're blessed with what they do. But um I think it's a testament this year of any team that I've had has been really it took everybody and uh our margin maybe we didn't have that big as far as talented above everybody else but the way that they played together the way that they came together and I don't think many people I told him this I said after we lost to Lex and Catholic [laughter] in round three I don't think many people thought we'd be standing here but the guys in our circle did and it's it's amazing what you can do if you set your mind to it and and and really focused and and that's what in today's time it's all about instant gratification and every you know looking for likes and it's all about individuals and to see them buy in as a team and do what they did is is really really special and um can't celebrate them enough in my book I always think of them in a you know we talk about living forever and they'll

get a [snorts] this team will live forever you know being here being state champions so very very proud of them

teamwork makes the dream work that's right and for the seniors on the team to have their dream come true of winning a state championship. You know, this is the year for that. So, congratulations to all of you uh for the hard work that you put in, the dedication that you put into this football team. And uh I I watch y'all on Facebook and the meals that y'all have. I mean, I haven't been invited to any of them yet, but I hope that I'm going to get an invitation at some point. Uh but you can tell that you all are a family and that you all are a team, and that's what it takes. It takes everybody working together and helping each other and having each other's back. So, congratulations, coach. Congratulations to you all. We have certificates for both of you. [applause]

So, the first one is a certificate of recognition for the 2025 Bounty Rebels football team in recognition of your outstanding achievements, exceptional teamwork, and unwavering commitment to excellence during the 2025 season. Your decisive 340 victory over Franklin County to claim your program's 13th state championship and your fifth u title in six years reflects extraordinary athleticism, discipline, and heart. Your relentless defense, powerful offense, and collective spirit have brought immense pride to your school, your coaches, your community, and to all who wear the black and gold. The grit and unity you demonstrate on the field are a testament to your character and to the strong tradition of excellence that defines Bull County football. With profound appreciation for your hard work, dedication, and remarkable success, we acknowledge and honor your achievement of being the 2025 class A state football champions. Congratulations. I don't know how we're going to do this, BUT I KNOW the court all wants to be in this picture, too. So, we're going to squeeze in. So, magistrates, if you all can come up and find a spot,

and you want to hold. Okay, you can hold it up. [laughter] offers on a chair. So, we're going to just kind of line up across. [laughter]

Barry, you can stand up and I can get you. He He's comfortable where he is. Okay. All right. Let's see. Oh, this is great. Got it. All right. Congratulations, guys. Don't leave. [laughter] All right. We've got a plaque for Coach Hadex as well.

So, coach, there you are. Okay. uh in recognition of your exceptional leadership, dedication, and outstanding contributions to Bull County High School athletics. Since being chosen as head football coach in 2020, you have guided the Bull County Rebels with integrity and excellence, continuing a proud tradition of athletic success and developing young men of character both on and off the field. Your commitment to teamwork, discipline, and community service has brought five state championships to Bo County and inspired players, families, and fans across the country. With appreciation for your achievements and service to Bull County schools and Bull County football, we proudly acknowledge your continued excellence and lasting impact. Thank you, [applause]

Judge. Yes, sir. I've got to comment on their absolute best fan and that is Daniel Hadex, the father of the coach. Appreciate you all. Go around and shake all the hand. Make a circle right there. There you go. Congratulations. I'm Austin's grandmother. I've been watching you all. Good job.

That call that half a dozen times. Fantastic. excited as a little bit. Yes. Congratulations. Good to see you, man. Congratulations. Congratulations. Fun to watch you all play. It's so fun to watch Adrian Austin's grandma right here. Congratulations. Fun to watch. Coach said y'all could have the rest of the day off. I wish. [laughter] Thank you. See you. Appreciate you.

All right. Woo. Cool down a little bit. Now it's getting warm in here. Uh we are going to move uh don't believe Jennifer's here. Okay. Uh we're going to move the extension board appointments down just a little bit. Jennifer had an appointment this morning and she'll be here shortly, but we want to wait till she comes. So uh next we'll have chamber director Sarah Palm come and introduce yourself and give us a little update. I don't have much of an update yet, but I am Sarah Palman. It's so nice to meet you all. I've seen a few of you out about this morning and all about. So, I'm hoping that the chamber will have um a little bit more presence in the county as you'll see and um if you would love to meet each of you um individually when you have the time. So, ask me to push the air of the meeting that would be great. I have lots lots of questions and lots of ideas and I would love to hear your thoughts on this. We we we tried to meet already, but it didn't work out. So, we better reschedule that after first of the year.

Thank you all so much. I appreciate you coming. Welcome. And we appreciate you coming this morning. Absolutely. And then is uh Metro Sleeper, would you see if Tony Wer is out in the hall? Maybe.

Not yet. Okay. All right. Uh we'll move on to uh CVB Kindle. Well, morning. Morning. So, I'll give you all a uh uh financial update for our first quarter and tell you about some things we got going on.

So, [snorts] for the past several years, we've been able to u increase the uh revenue goals for the CDB. For the current fiscal year, we just kept them the same as they were for FY25. Um kind of tapped out on rooms available for collection of transit room packs. and we already had a really high um occupancy rate anyway. So, we kept everything the same for this year as far as our our revenue goes. Uh so, how that looks for our July through September transient tax collections, uh we collected $79,85522 toward our overall goal for the year of $355,000. That put us about $8,900 short of where we should be. Uh but that also includes some unpaid transient taxes that uh we're either still trying to collect or we've collected since the uh end of the September uh period. So we're probably a little bit closer. Uh but on paper, we're $8,900 short of where we should be.

Okay. Uh, as for our cash on hand, as of September 30th, the CDB had $44,76 in cash at Central Kentucky Federal Savings along with 40,897 [snorts] in a CD at King Trust, giving us total assets of $84,974.32 at the end of the first quarter. So, we'll continue to monitor our our revenue. [clears throat] If it does appear we're going to be under, we've got things in the budget we can um compensate, not not do. We've got a few line items for projects that don't have to be done. So, it's not going to affect us too much to be uh a little bit down if that's where would you carry them over to the next budget year?

Uh well, they're they're projects that we've added that don't have to be done. Um basically marketing projects that we can either uh maybe just do a portion of it or just uh you know carry it over maybe do it next year. Yeah, it's not going to hurt us too bad. Uh so one of the projects we're working on that we're going to hopefully launch in the spring is a passport project. Uh this is something uh Candace who's our uh basically marketing person uh has come up with and it will be very similar to what they've done with the Bourbon Trail and a lot of other there's a lot of passport projects but this will be specifically for Bo County. We've got a number of locations identified. She sent letters to all of them to ask for participation and a little bit of financial buy in to help pay for some of the project. Uh which would include a a physical passport that people would pick up. You go around uh to each of the locations and get get it stamped. Great opportunity to get people to locations that they may not otherwise go to some um or have an interest in. Once they get the door, maybe they figure out that the All House Museum is not just for, you know, children. It's it's, you know, a miniatures museum. Uh, but we'll have locations throughout the county. We've sent uh letters to uh sent about 19 locations. We've got several that have already committed. The battlefield's already committed. Um, we've got some that are taking it to their boards to see if they want to participate. But, um, we're pretty sure this will come to pass. We'll be able to launch this hopefully in April when people are getting back out and about. [snorts] Uh, also in the [clears throat] spring, we're going to be participating in a media familiarization tour [snorts] with the Kentucky Department of Tourism. We had planned to do our own fan tour uh through our office, which uh we have a budget line item for that. This is actually going to save us quite a bit of money because we're only having to pay for like one of the meals. the the Department of Transportation is going to pay for everything else, but they'll bring uh somewhere between five and nine

members of the media, bloggers, uh travel writers to Kentucky, and they're coming to different cities. I'm not sure who else is involved, but we're going to be their first stop. They'll come in, fly them to Lexington, and they'll truck them here, and then we'll come up with an itinerary, uh take them to some places they can get them to, [snorts] and then put together a basically media kit [clears throat] with everything in there. So, if we don't get to a certain location, but they're interested in uh something we have, uh they'll have that information. We'll provide them photos and send them on their way. And like I said, it'll just cost us very little money compared to bringing them in ourselves. That's great. Yeah.

Whether it could work or not, um when we took over as a county, uh Constitution Square, we lost our presence on state maps. Mhm. Could you do a little arm twisting to say when they reprint u my gosh it's one of the most important sites in all commonwealth. You know about the state road maps they hope nobody uses them anymore. I know they do. We're out we're actually out of this year map. That that was a great loss in terms of the significance of the battlefield. Okay. Yeah. I'll check on that. See if they can add that. Um I'm sure they're probably working on the 26 maps right now. Yeah. [snorts]

Okay. Uh, let's see. Along with the the media fam tour, we were recently Danville was included in the Kentucky monthly um listing of five Hallmark Christmas towns in Kentucky. So, um, I've got cop I should have brought them this morning. I'm sorry. I've got copies of my office. We're on page 22, full page feature on u Danville and you know why it's an ideal small town experience for uh for Christmas. Uh we're also recognizing this wasn't in an article but um every year Bourbon Chase comes through um they come through Perryville, they go to the distillery, they come through downtown Danville and downtown right outside the courthouse here is the major exchange point for Boil County. And this year uh Ragnar recognized that as the uh best exchange for the whole race, which is 200 miles. They go through several different cities, stop at other distilleries, but this year uh they recognized us as the uh best exchange. And every year we talked to a lot of runners.

That's great. And they they just love downtown Danville. They love the experience in Boil County. U they like coming through Perryville because they usually have the commemoration events going on. They think that was a party for them. But yeah, they really enjoy the whole experience of coming

and we tell them that it is when we're down here. [laughter] Um there's [clears throat] a little prize money involved which uh they said it'll probably be many months before we get a check, but we'll just take that money and reinvest it into um something a little bit more permanent. Maybe buy some banners, some things we can use year after year. Um but uh it's a nice honor for the community to [clears throat] to be chosen as the best change. One other thing we're working on, and with a little luck, we can get some national [clears throat] recognition out of this. Um, Parade Magazine has a contest going on, which few of you all may have received an email about this from me. It's America's favorite small town. They're doing this in conjunction with the commemoration events of next year. There's [snorts] over 250 towns from around the country on this contest list. And you [clears throat] go in and vote. You can only vote for one town. In the spring, they'll narrow it down to a group of finalists. And since this contest launched, Danville has been on the top 10 leaderboard every single day.

So, it's just a matter of how many votes are cast, and you can vote once a day. Where do you vote? You just go to parade.com. parade.com. And you scroll down just a little bit. It's there on the homepage. You'll see it. Uh, basically, it's three clicks. You have your email address, you I think select the city and then agree to the contest rules and hit enter and you can do it every single day. So for all those listening in YouTube land, please go to parade.com and vote for Danville as the best small town. Yeah. All right.

Um there's only four other three other cities in Kentucky on that list. And when they do a final finalist list, they're going to choose a state finalist from what I understand. And all the finalists will be in a special edition. They're going to do uh it's special publication called America's Favorite Small Towns. Um so even to be in that would be some great free art media. But [snorts] I think we have as good a chance as anybody to actually win this cuz like I said it's basically just on how many votes are cast. So everybody just votes every day. Get your [snorts] friends, family, as long as you vote for D. Yeah. You vote once a day. Once per day. Yeah. If [clears throat] you're not voting for Dam, don't vote. Yeah. IF YOU'RE NOT GOING TO VOTE FOR Dur Never mind. [laughter]

But we're promoting it uh mainly with the uh the city. She's been putting it on their uh on their social media and their pages. And I think Sarah's helping out with that as well. Okay. And actually this afternoon, Sarah and I are getting interviewed by TV station from Lexington that's doing a story about it. So Okay. Well, we will make sure Fox 56. We'll make sure we get that on our web page as well. All right. And that's it. We're we're doing uh CDB is doing a lot of the marketing for the American 250 events. um and helping out with some other groups, uh brass band, some others to help develop their marketing plans and help them implement those for 2026. So, okay, we're heavily involved in all that as well.

What about um any is all the signage been taken care of, the wayfinding signs or uh JJ signed the contract on Monday with signs, etc. They were the sole bidder. Okay. Uh they're the same ones that did the city signs and the ones in Perryville. Okay. So, uh, he signed the contract. I'm not sure what the terms were as far as when they have to have them installed, but I assume it'll be in the next. And that'll be for where? Uh, Junction C. Junction C. Okay. All right. Good deal. Yep. All right. Any questions for Kendall?

Yeah. with your uh with your uh [clears throat] Airbnb collections and stuff like that, are you able to possibly as you identified various ones um maybe send them over to Hannah to make sure I did. You do? I sent her a list a few weeks ago what what we currently have. Okay. Just want to make sure that they're all following the rules in the county where they have to actually specifically have a zone change for that kind of stuff. So,

Right. Right. into that and I can center because we get every time I look at Airbnb there's a you know new ones that pop up or ones that that disappear so we're constantly adjusting that list but I [clears throat] think I've had two or three new ones since um I sent that to her so I'll send her an updated list today great thank you very much

thank you Kendall we appreciate it thanks for the update [clears throat] all right uh Nick uh contacted me yesterday and he um is sick and was not able to come today. So, he is going to reschedu uh and get back on the agenda for another meet another meeting. So, Jaylor Brian Wolfford, Jaylor Brian Wolfford. Hey, there he comes.

You are being called to the principal's office. Okay. We've had to move around on the agenda a little bit. So, uh, is is Jennifer out there? Jennifer Bogner. Yes, she is. Jennifer, you come on in and we'll do yours while Brian's getting set up.

Welcome. Welcome. Okay. So, we it is time to appoint uh two new members to the Bo County Extension District Board. And uh I am asking for approval for Jennifer uh Gatis and Beth Johnson. Beth is at a uh some type of a livestock show um thing today, so she couldn't be here, but uh Jennifer was able to come. So, uh would like to entertain a motion to approve. I make a motion. Master voters. Second by master. [clears throat] Any discussion or comments? I will say that's my daughter. Yes. [laughter]

All right. Okay. That's okay. All right. Judge. Yes. I guess it's been about three years ago. um uh magister to call mentioned shop with a cop and uh part of my recommendation uh in nominating or seconding is that it was wonderful that day in Walmart. I hope you remember that was great. All right. All those in favor of the motion approving Jennifer and uh Beth to the extension board signify by saying I. I. Any oppose? Nay. Motion carries. Jennifer, thank you for being willing to serve. I got you.

We got to take pictures. [laughter] Paula, you want to get in there? Come on. Finding the table Easter. Okay. It's all right. All right. Copy and paste, please. Thank you so much. Thank you. All right. Thank you all very much. Now, Jaylor Wolfer,

so as u usual, you always like to give you some numbers and I thought it's okay with the court. I need to do my end of the year report to my fourth quarter. Just add that to it. It's okay. So, currently boil uh 39 have 69 uh state inmates holding one for the other. Uh 35 of the state inmates are SAP, which is 109. We recently had to uh fix a leak in 221. So the shower was leaking into the cell. It was an actual pipe. So we actually had to grind down some walls and reduced stuff on it. So 221 is our biggest cell down the hallway on the left. for the this is a for the past 12 months these numbers um we've graduated 57 from SAP MRT is 11 and we have one graduating on December 22nd

so I'm going to say 12 uh we've had nine GED graduates and u our chaplain has baptized 23 inmates so awesome that is 101 lives that we've positively or had a positive impact on at the contingent Good job. So, uh, inmate numbers. Can you go through those one more time? I got lost. So, yeah. Boil 39 county and then SAP 35 and I'm having one for other. It's another county that that come to pick up. State was 69. Yes. And then SAP out of the state inmates 35 of those are S. Oh, gotcha. So, you get two numbers on deal. That's where I got lost.

Yeah. I was like I heard 105, too. [laughter] Yeah. U so our class D community work program u this is for the outside hours uh we recorded 6584 hours of service to the community which that includes Parable Junction Danville and the rural areas of Boil County so $18 an hour if that's what you were paying we saved $118,512 is what save the parable junction the whole county so

and then our class D building maintenance program these are the inmates that work inside uh 3,280 hours. So basically they do maintenance and repair to the facility at $18 an hour. Uh basically it saved us $59,040. And then our class D kitchen and laundry work program is logged in 30 30,328 hours and that's preparing meals, cleaning, all that kind of stuff at $18 an hour which saved us $545,94. So altogether

that's incredible. Altogether, that's 40,192 hours with a grand total savings of $723,000 $456. I'm sorry, $723,456. Thank you very much. Very good. And currently we are under budget. We are $382,127 under budget. And you got to take in account that uh [laughter] that some of that stuff is has already been fully paid for the year like our workers comp and stuff. So that's been paid too. So we're we should come under budget again

for as long as nothing unforeseen happens. [snorts] [clears throat] We're currently $19,000 under our medical cost overpool. Oh, it's really good. Which Yeah. So we're good with that. And I gave you a copy to make you easier. I'm sorry. You said you're holding one to meet me for someone. Yeah, just wait on another county to come pick them up. So, they were arrested say Bo County on I think it's I don't remember the county. So, the sheriff, we don't count [snorts] weekends, but we usually give them a couple days. The sheriff's department had to come pick them up. So, I'm not sure what county. I can't remember the county.

Do you do you charge that county at that point or not? Just And then they don't charge us. So, it's kind of a gentleman's agreement. Yeah. Yeah. No, no. Now, if it's we have like Mercer, we did the same thing that we had for Lincoln [clears throat] County cuz they were kind of going to try to house their inmates for free and we had to send a letter um saying that well we'll hold them for 3 days and after that we'll charge you. Yeah. And we did the same thing to Mercer County just so they didn't try to take advantage of us. So, and I'll work with them. They call say, "Hey, we're we're short. we're, you know, I'll give them a few extra days. So, but that's kind of just the gentleman's agreement among all the jailers that we don't charge each other just

and [clears throat] does, uh, have you kind of advertised that the jail's open for other other places if they need them temporarily held or what? No. Um, I haven't. I've had uh I've been approached by a couple counties. Um, but I think that's something that the fiscal court probably need to follow up on. I can give recommendations, but um um I'm just kind of enjoying the peace and quiet right now. [laughter] Um so also and we're enjoying the cost savings. [laughter] Exactly. And and it when you don't have all the other medical expenses and housing and stuff, you know, like the other county we were housing, um it shows. Um so

liability risk. Yeah, there's always that. And then we're the ones that myself in fiscal court are the ones that get sued. So that's why they brought them to us. The courts before didn't believe that. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's been a Yeah. The old system was a bad business model.

Well, and I think, you know, once we decide once we see what legislation's going to pass this year, I think it'll give us a better idea of which way we want to, you know, move forward for the future, especially if we, you know, start building [snorts] what what do we want to do. Um I think that you know the good thing about just housing Bo County of course not count the state right now is we can focus on them for re-entry and make sure they're getting what they need so that that recidivism you know the door is not spinning off and they go back out into the community becoming productive you know putting instead of always taking out. So

I'm I'm glad you brought up the general assembly is going to be meeting first week of of January. Uh we have rarely but um in my seven years here uh we have uh actually taken action on some legislative proposals not related to jail but with the fact that you were at KO and your legislative committee was there. uh if you'll keep us posted and if you need county support on any developments legislatively, uh judge, I' I'd like to make sure that we're up to date and know what we can do to support what's going on because um as Steve and I know having walked in with the president of the Senate one time on the jail issue, [clears throat] um it it's going to get testy regardless what what happens. So,

yeah. And I'm going to be on our committee again this year that goes to Franklin. So, I'd be more than happy to come back and kind of give you updates where we're at, who we've met with, and what [snorts] we kind of need the the mattress association and the judges association to push along as well because and I'm on the legislative committee for the judges, too. So, both be hearing the same thing. Yeah. So, okay. Well, that's good. But um I think you know that's going to make a big impact if if we [snorts] for the first time if we could have the jailer association, judge association, the master association all pushing I think we could get something that that that'll benefit all the counties. [clears throat] So um also thanks for the update.

All right. So I have two ladies here uh with the net device. I'm going to let them come up and speak and master Cullen. One of them is a magistrate from Franklin. So please be on your best behavior. [laughter] I think I've pretty well seen it all. [laughter] MAYBE NOT. [clears throat] We'll see. It's going to be tested, isn't it? [cough] Um, if you don't mind just take one and pass them around. I understand. First of all, hi, I'm Kelly Dykus. Um, I'm with Met Recovery. I'm also a Franklin County magistrate and I'm also a mental health counselor. So, this um why she's hanging out with her. That's it. [laughter]

Uh this is um really really important to me and my judge says he's hiding under his desk today. Oh, he is? because of our loss. Uh just healing. Send him send him my regard. I WILL SEND HIM BECAUSE HE CALLED ME FRIDAY AND SAID, "WELL, Y'ALL GOING TO WIN TONIGHT?" AND I SAID, "WELL, there's a good, you know, possibility that we will." And he's like, "Nah, I don't think so."

Sanders desk A LITTLE LONGER. [laughter] HE RELEASED us is what he did. I'm going to get on with him. At any rate, I understand that you all have heard a presentation from NET previously um and that you've heard from Rebecca um who also works with NET but has also been treated by the device. And so we just want to open it up and let you all ask us any questions that you might have. Well, I just make a comment that when we first met almost three years ago,

Rebecca gave an extraordinary presentation and uh it having been in healthcare administration, it uh certainly had effect on on what I think we need to do. So, glad you're here again. Thanks. Yeah, she's always she's the she's the star of the show all the time. Yes. I think when we first started hearing about this um there was still some question about it FDA approve and concerns and and I think that was a a stumbling block. Sure. [clears throat] So if you could maybe address that concern and where we stand today.

Page nine uh kind of deals with that too.

Yes. Um and it so we were FDA cleared. Um, you don't say approved when it's a machine. Evidently, you say cleared. I learned that throughout this process, but it has been FDA cleared. Um, we have seen just, no joke, just incredible results. I've I've had the the pleasure in the last week of calling some of the folks across the state that have been treated um because we're going to do some filming in Frankfurt and it just warms my heart every time I talk to them. like they're so excited to tell me how well they're doing. Um, you know, there's no there's nothing that can hurt them with this. They're not becoming addicted to another medication. Um, it's not something they can sell. It's not something that they're cutting with fentanyl, you know, like it's just it gives us an a non-medication option, which we've needed for years and years because

this this the way we've been doing it just isn't working. Um, I know that medication saves lives and it's important, but I think we need another option and and I think this is it. So, we got FDA, excuse me, we got FDA clearance about a year and a half ago. Um, and in that time, we've treated 479 people uh within the state of Kentucky. Kentucky is still the only place that the net device is available. So, it's a very unique opportunity for Kentucky specifically. Um, since we got FDA clearance, we've we've opened it up to also training in the detention centers. So, we're excited to finally be talking to Boil County about the possibility of doing that. Uh, we're currently at seven [clears throat] detention centers. Um, originally when we had first started uh this process, we had only been treating at Isaiah House. We have since opened that up. We are in um Isaiah House and also um Algether Recovery, which you know is here in Danville. Um, and then also we have a recovery housing model for people that maybe aren't exactly um, residential treatment candidates, like if they're if they're using medication and they've been on it for years and they want to come off of it, but they essentially have their lives back together. They have families and jobs and things that going into residential treatment isn't exactly suitable for them. [cough] We have a recovery housing model in two locations here in Kentucky that they can just go use the treatment and then and return back to their lives without having to sign up for like a 30-day program. Um, and we've seen a lot of success in in those different ways that we're trying to give as many people access to treatment as possible. We were a little limited at first, but we've since opened it up. And so studies keep you from doing everything you want to do. We've got [clears throat] everything had to be exactly the same and now it doesn't. And so yeah, we're we're able to screen in lots of different places.

Could you talk about the different like that was one of the questions last time. It's not just for opioids, but it could be used for others as well. Yeah. So we use it so it's it's it's for poly substance use. So you you know we they call it a program which took me a minute to understand, but this device can be programmed for different drugs and different um groups of drugs. And so we don't know of anything else that does that. Mhm.

Yeah. And and it could be for like singular substances. So I I I can promise you that most people that need to be treated, it's not just a single substance. It's generally a group of things. But if somebody is using heroin, we have a program for that. If they're using uh methamphetamine and fentanyl, we have a combination program for that. So, and one of the really great things about about the treatment is our net techs, our employees that put the device on people and then meet with them twice a day for the duration of treatment, which is generally 3 to 5 days. It could be up to seven, but it's generally 3 to 5. Um, they meet with them twice a day. And because we focus so much on the withdrawal symptoms that the person is experiencing, we can change the programs to address specific things. So, if if they're going through treatment and and it seems like their fentanyl uh withdrawal symptoms are are completely gone, but they're still having these meth withdrawal symptoms, we can switch it and we can pivot so that we can target those specific um things. Another really good thing about that since we focus so much on the withdrawal symptoms is we start to see things that are coming into the supply that other people aren't aware of yet. So, we're used to what fentanyl withdrawal looks like. We're used to what heroin withdrawal looks like, meth withdrawal, those those are things that we've seen so many times. So when we start to see these other symptoms come in that aren't lining up with those substances, we start to realize, wait a second, there's something there's something else coming into the supply. So one of the big things, I'm sure you guys have heard about it, is xylazine. There's another one that's now making its way into Kentucky, metatonadine. These are like vet adulterants that um extend the withdrawal symptoms and and make them worse generally. Uh but we we've been able to kind of like start like ahead of the game and like and and make programs to start tackling those things too.

So remind us again, sorry, how the device works. [cough] No, go ahead. Go ahead. [laughter] Go ahead. I wish I had one with us. I know it's So it's a device. It's about the size of a cell phone. It's attached to two um lead wires that are attached to two really small um adhesive electrodes that get taped behind the ears, both sides. Um completely non-invasive, nothing's going under the skin. [clears throat]

Essentially, what it does is um while people are out there using the drugs that they're using, they're dependent on the substances to create those neurotransmitters, endorphins, things that we're supposed to be naturally producing. when they take the drugs away, the reason that they go through the intense withdrawals and the intense cravings is because their brain just isn't producing those at the rate that they're used to.

What the NET device does is like if you kind of think about it like a TENS unit, like you put a TENS unit on your muscle and it stimulates your muscle. The net device stimulates your brain to start producing those things immediately. So, it helps to alleviate those withdrawal symptoms and it brings you back to a normal state much quicker than if if you were just doing it cold turkey and just waiting for for it to go. Um, long long-term opiate addicts, if they once they take the drugs away, it could take up to two years to finally get out of that fog. You know, like even even if they're not using, there's still just this fog that's on them. So, how long would an inmate uh use the device? like uh per day and then

so they they do they wean eventually wean off of it is that they would wear the device for 24 hours a day for the duration of treatment. Okay. Um treatment can be up to 7 days but generally what we see is about 3 to 5 and it it it's dependent on the person really and what they've been using how long they've been using it for. Um and so that's what our net techs do when they meet with them twice a day and they see where their withdrawal symptoms are, their craving levels. uh when they're when those start to get really low, that's generally a sign that treatment is starting to be complete. Another thing that we'll see is they'll start to have off periods on the device. They'll be like, "Okay, I'm going to see if if I turn this off, if it doesn't come back, you know, and so and so we kind of just gauge it person by person." Okay.

For those of us who are very uneducated, um the multi-yllable new ones that you you've mentioned there, do any of those relate to mushrooms, psychedelic mushrooms? Um, not that I've seen, not these. I I bring it up because last night on the national news and it just rang a bell immediately because I thought this didn't just happen. Two years ago, a pilot in the jump seat and I think he was with Alaskan Airlines.

Uh, you're remembering the story. It was featured last night on the news and I have a prejudice against what they reported at the end, but he's been prosecuted. He served time and now he is an advisor about that aspect. Does does uh net recovery look all the way into new new things like psychedelic drugs? Absolutely. I [clears throat] mean uh mushrooms

and like she was saying like they honestly and it's been amazing to me um being on this team and watching this. They know before anybody else knows when there's a new a new drug in our system. They they know because they can tell by the different ways that people are behaving. So it doesn't have to be admitted by the patient. No. And they do they they drug test so we know what's in their system. And if we find a drug that's not being drug tested for, we will do that ourselves. We don't leave that.

Yeah. And and that's that's one of the things like we did at Isaiah House. They they were not tested for xylazine and we were we were starting to see things that just weren't making sense and so we brought in our own test strips. I don't don't necessarily know that we have like a program for psychedelics. Exactly. It'll come. I mean, it'll have to. And and I was so stunned. But it's also a prejudice of many many decades ago where you wouldn't even employ anybody, right? Uh even with something as not to a less degree, but alcoholism, right? Um, and for them to report that this pilot now is an advisor. Oh, yeah. Having progressed,

uh, was was just pretty remarkable to me and yet I'm sure it's needed. So, absolutely. Thank you, Gay. Okay. So, how are you all in Franklin County utilizing the devices and how are you paying for it?

So, we're using our opioid funds. Um, and we are, um, I think we've treated, we're treating in the jail. Um, it's gone really, really well. Um, and I'm actually waiting for my court to to vote again uh, to get more money in so that we can treat more individuals. Our our jailer loves it. She thinks that it works really well. She is um, someone who [clears throat] has told me she is not a fan of that. She doesn't like the medication. she doesn't want to have to do that in the jail. So, this works really well for the for our jail. Um, what's the cost per inmate?

It depends. It depends. And I'm not going to talk about cost. I will it [clears throat] it's 5,500 per per person per person. Yeah. I'll let I'll let her say that. I'm not going to say now. I understand there's a grant though that may be able the jailer

well that's what we're applying for now is working for the opioid. But here here's the thing we talking about this out in the hallway is let's say we don't get the grant. Well my budget's coming up. I would like the fiscal court to consider um having money set or added to my budget for this. And here here's why. I would like to work with the county attorney, maybe the judge, and say, "Hey, let's do a diversion program where if they come in and and they meet the criteria and able to do this and they go through their 3 to seven days and then they're released to go to treatment because what this is going to do, this is going to reduce or take away their craving. So when they go to treatment, they're not going to be sitting there craving this stuff. They're [clears throat] not trying to get out,

right? It's going to give them a better success for completing treatment because the treatment, the whole goal of it is to get to the root, not the symptoms." Okay. The trauma that's causing them to to abuse and want to self-medicate, it's going to lower our cost because one, it's going to keep that's less time they're going to have to stay in the detention center

and us [clears throat] feed them, take care of them medically, pay pay everything that it costs. So, it's going to reduce their time in stay. So, I think, you know, I I I've used the numbers before. For every dollar we invest, our oi is like $4.75. So, we're going to save and I just showed you what we've been saving here, but I think if we do follow through with this and implement it, we can work and I think Chris, would you be willing to look at something like that for uh if we can work out a plan, [clears throat] do like a diversion if they come in, they start this and they successfully complete it, then go to treatment and Yeah, we can talk about that.

Okay. Is this device u something where if one person uses it and moves on, can it be reset the other person? Exactly. Yeah. You load it [clears throat] with a specific program to the individual when they're done wearing it and you erase it and then it's reused again.

But part of the cost is though they actually come in and apply it and monitor it, do everything. So my staff doesn't we're not trained to deal [clears throat] with all that. So their folks come in and actually do the program. So what I would do is I would take two sales. I take a cell for men and a cell for women. And so that way we just we they're in there with others [clears throat] on the device for 3 to seven days. So we would bring them out of general population. They'd have their own special cell. So they're all in there together and but so but they come in and monitor the program. They apply the leads, do all that kind of thing. Does Medicare or Medicaid? Not yet. We're working on it. Um but you know, like I said, it's only been cleared for a little over a year. [clears throat] Okay.

It takes a little while to to get to get there. Yeah. And that's and and that's the issue that now that it's cleared.

Um 3 years is a long time, but three years is also very short in terms of what you've progressed and and done. Uh as I look around this table, it's it's remarkable when we go to uh both KO and KMCA meetings. uh folks around this table interact with the hierarchy of those two entities and I doubt that the spring schedules are are taken care of totally for for either one. It's time and if and if we need to talk to Jim Henderson, if we need to talk to a guy named JC Young, you might know it. We need to get you [clears throat] back on the agenda because they report every time we transition that um as many as a third or even more of the folks out there in the audience of 570 of us um are new.

Yeah. And around this table we we have people who have not seen your presentation uh at that level. Well, and I will tell you that we I actually did talk to JC because he's in Frankfurt, so he's easy for me to get to, and I went and met with them for a couple of hours, and he is going to let me do um a presentation for everybody um at one of the probably one of the spring um conferences. That would be the one. Yeah, ideally.

Master Boner and Brian, what's what's your goal? Uh how many devices do you want? I like right today my community or my county inmates are 39. So I'm budgeted or what we're asking for on the grant to be able to do 50 and that's looking at other jails. This is starting out um because not everybody can just because they're in there doesn't mean they they'll be qualified to do that. They there's a process they have to go to to see if they're at the point okay are you actually ready wanting to get better. And not everybody is in there on drug related charges. Exactly. Correct. Yeah.

So, my goal was what I'm asking for [clears throat] is to do 50 over the year. And that's just a starting point. You know, we may say, well, with our numbers going down, we may need to do less the next year or we may need to increase it. But here's the thing. As Bo County, everyone in this room knows treatment works. I mean, look at my numbers today. Barry was at 400. And we wouldn't be here today if it hadn't been for Barry picking up the baton and saying, "Hey, we're going to focus on treatment." And so, um, we know it works. So this is just another option, you know, without having to use trading a drug for a drug. So So let's break down the cost. So it's we have to buy the the equipment. No, no, no. It's our equipment. We bring it in.

The equipment, it's the treatment. It's $5,500 per treatment. I I understand. Okay. It's not the equipment. No, no, I I get that. I'm just trying to Although they do make the equipment, so that is part of the cost for sure. it's the equipment [snorts] and then the person being trained to come in and use the equipment on each individual. So, so kind of what Chris was saying is that, you know, we get the equipment and then you wipe it out and use it again. It's not our equipment. So, it's $5,500. So, if you're looking for 50 people, we're looking at, you know, $275,000 this year. Well, I think we've asked for $250,000 in the in the grant is what we're asking for. Yeah. So at least 25,000

out of our grant or the the grant that the grant app that we're grant and then at least 25,000 that we could if it were which I think would come out the opioid money if um they would make sense out of some of our opioid money. Um I I just would hate to deplete the whole thing. 25,000 wouldn't deplete it. No, no, I know. But 275 would Yeah. Yeah. But I mean, but hopefully we're going to get the grant. Well, [laughter] that's what I'm saying too, you know. But if we don't,

but that's something, you know, as this money's comes available, that's something, you know, I think the fiscal board needs to be saying, "Hey, we we need to fund these programs. Let's try to get it our share of Well, we can't deplete it all because we have a salary coming out of Yeah. So, but we can work on the numbers. You know, if if you don't get the grant, then we can look at our opioid money and we can work on the numbers, take the salary out of it and see what we have left and what other programs that we want to sponsor as well. And but that gets that gets us through a year. Yeah. Right. Yeah. So, we're [clears throat] not going to get opioid money or the amounts we're getting every year. So, we can't treat it like a grant. We're going to get grants for

well eventually. I think this is something that if we see that's why I want to try it with the the the grant money because we don't lose anything. And then if we see success there then we know okay this is going to save us on the other end because they're not standing in jail. We're not having to do all the medical care. We're not having to pay for the surgeries and everything else. So you know I think it'll be a cost benefit to the county. Master G, remind us where the money for the grant is coming from. the opioid settlement fund. So, it's extinct from the state. It's from It's from the states. Yeah. There's two pools. So, like each county spot. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. Because that's where I do think that that's another it's to me it sounds like another thing we need to really keep working with the state to

Okay. So, I'm just going to throw this out there if it's okay. Maybe I shouldn't, but I'm going to. So we Ned is has written a lovely variant, very large variant um to the state um so that we can use we can have more treatments for [snorts] the jails and the treatment facilities that we partner with now. And so that's our hope is that we can help all of you. We can help all of us in the state afford [cough] treatment so we can really see what the recidivism rate is going to look like. We know it's really low. We know that just from the last couple of years. So just we want to see long more long-term results and what that's going to look like. And so we're asking the state to help us do that.

Yeah. And that's where I think once we get this program going at a higher level, I guess is what I'm trying to say. A more broadbased level. And that hopefully will help with the data. Yes. and the numbers and then that will help the state make all of us make [clears throat] better decisions moving forward. I agree. Is this something we could [clears throat] if we don't get the grant is it something that we could do at a smaller level until that's something we could look at because my budget's going to be coming up. I have to have it approved by April, right? You know, first, right?

So, that's something I'd like if we don't get the money, hey, let's start somewhere. let's pick a number, [clears throat] you know, if it's and let's try to work for a year on it. So, especially with Boil County's location, like because of we kind of have a cluster, if you look at that map, we kind of have a cluster of like in central Kentucky. So, Bo County fits right in the middle.

Um, and I did just want to say one thing. Um, as somebody that is now in long-term recovery, but that struggled for many years with addiction and had tried all of the different things in and out of rehab nine times, in and out of jail, tried medication, try tried everything, this was the one thing that finally made a difference for me. And honestly, kind of like what Brian was saying was it really brought me to a foundation that I hadn't had in a very long time. And it brought me there a lot quicker than I had ever experienced before. And I feel like that is a big part of the reason why I was able to be successful. I just celebrated four years last month. [applause] To look back at where I was, never in a million years would I have guessed. And so it's [clears throat] very near and dear to my heart. And this specific court is very near and dear to my heart because I've been a Boil County resident for about 3 years now. And so I'm just I appreciate you guys giving us the time and consideration. And

I think our finance officer has a question. Oh yeah. Um you said it's $5,500 per treatment. Does that say you have somebody who comes in off the street that's on um just meth they're just on drug and their treatment plan is 10 days 10 days of the net recovery device or [snorts] whatever. But you have somebody who comes in who is on meth and heroin and add another drug and it's longer than 10 days because the it won't be longer than 10 days.

It it generally won't be longer than seven or like so for most of the treatments we've had one kind of outlier that ended up being 10 days that we had to kind of extend but for um any treatment generally um 7 days is the end of the treatment period. The average is three and a half days if that helps you at all. Like some people only need it for two or three days. Some people need it for [clears throat] the full seven and it doesn't really seem to matter whether it's one one drug or more um than one drug. It's just the person. Has anybody in here ever heard of EMDR? You guys ever heard of that?

Okay. So EMDR works on bilateral stimulation, right? I do this every day in my office. It's very very similar. It works in a very similar way. And when these electrodes are on, it pulses bilaterally just like you do with EMDR.

It It's amazing. I mean, it's amazing. And you can, you know, we have got there are so many testimonials um now and information online now that you can go and look that up um much easier than you used to be able to. Um, but I will say as a magistrate, um, you know, being able to cut the recidivism rate is super important to me. It's super important to our our jailer to, you know, we know how expensive jail is. Um, and we know how expensive it is when somebody goes in over and over and over. We're not seeing that once people are treated. Like, we just rarely see that.

Are you doing long time term studies on these people? We are. I mean, you're keeping good track. Well, we just we just started doing that.

So, that it was something that we definitely ran into some hiccups with. Um, in [clears throat] the beginning, we were trying to figure out the best approach to be able to uh to follow up with people. Um, as you can imagine, this population is a little difficult to keep in touch with. Uh, some some may be homeless, you know, go multiple phone numbers, you know, different things. And so, we had tried at first an app that they could download on their phone. We didn't have a whole lot of engagement with that. So, um, we recently, uh, implemented a process where we're collecting as much data as we contact data as we possibly can at the end of treatment when they're clear-headed. Um, literally every single thing that we could get and and we're going to be conducting those uh, you know, 1 month, 3 month, 6 month, one year uh, follow-ups to see not only have they used again, but do they have stable housing? Have they been incarcerated? Did they get a job? Did they, you know, reunite reunite with their family? Yeah.

You mentioned the job and and that would be [clears throat] one of the most important cells of data that would help persuade reluctant folks like some of us have been in past years. Um, [clears throat] and I I just think that would be so valuable if you can if you can find that.

And one of the other things that we're working on currently is um an entirely separate study from the original trial. So, the original trial concluded in 2023. Um, and right now we're in the process of doing long-term follow-up for every participant that was in the trial. So, we're concluding that um actually this Sunday at 11:59 p.m. Um, I I know because I'm very heavily involved in it. Um, but all of those people that we're following up with, it's now been 2 and a half, three years. Some of them a little bit more [clears throat] than three years. So, we're going to be collecting all of that information on all of those all of those points. How? [clears throat]

So, somebody somebody is goes through the program. Do you see where they'll have to go through it again at another point or is it or is it just a one and done kind of thing or

The only the only reason that they would need to use it again is if relapse occurred, which it does, you know, like we're not claiming that every single person that uses it is definitely not going to use again. there's still that choice that has to be made. Uh if relapse occurs, then they do have the option of using it again. It's not like a you can only do it once kind of a thing, but it's not something that you have to return to do if if that does not occur. So, and let me just because this was the part that kind of boggled my brain when I first heard this, but it literally takes them back their brain chemistry back to before addiction. I mean, just think about that. Think about the choices people make when they're not in active addiction versus the choices they make, which really are not choices because their brain chemistry, this addiction, it is telling them what to do all the time, right? They they no longer have a choice. Once they're treated, they have a choice. They're not craving anymore. So, they get to decide, do I want to move my life forward or do I want to go back and use? And very few do because the craving's not there and they know what that life was like and they now have a choice to change it which they didn't have before. And many tell me they don't have on medication. You know, they still feel stuck in that because they're having to take something over and over and over again, which has saved a lot of lives. I'm not I'm not saying it's not worthy, but we have a different choice now. And they it gives them more choice. And I think for me um that you just we don't find that anywhere else.

Well, you think of it this way and and Barry has seen this. So you have a 23 year old in detox who is going through withdrawals and throwing up, defecating on themselves, just miserable, sick. Okay, they finally get through that. You get them cleaned up and they're released. Are they more likely to go and get high again or go to treatment? They're more likely to go get high again because they're still craving that drug even though they just went through the most terrible thing they probably ever experienced mentally and physically. But they're going to go right back to it. So with this, if it takes away the craving, it just helps them walk out the door and be set up to go through treatment and be successful.

Well, and we know we have the numbers that show that they stay in treatment longer. They're more clearheaded. They get more out of it. It's just, you know, they're not they're not going in and and, you know, being there for three or four days wanting to do well, wanting because they do they go in wanting to do well, but that craving just won't stop.

And so they, you know, they do whatever they have to do to get out. And this keeps that from happening for [clears throat] grand majority of them. And if you can build that foundation while they're incarcerated and just like you said, then you know, release them to treatment because again, we're not claiming, you know, that the net device is all they need, but if they can if they can get that while they're incarcerated and then go to treatment with a clear head and with, you know, just that clarity of mind being able to truly absorb all these things. I feel like that's true rehab. That was one of the stipulations I would put on it that if they use the net device and we've we've we found pay for that they have to go to treatment [snorts]

that they're going to be required to go to treatment. So that's you know because you've got to treat the the root not the symptoms. If you don't get take care of the root then the symptoms are just going to keep coming back. Right.

So that would be a requirement that I would like to put on it. Well, and I and I don't know how you feel about IOPs, but um you know, I I used to really struggle with intensive outpatient programs because the folks that I worked with would say, "Yes, I'm going to do that." They would, you know, not have to because they had kids and they had a job and they had all these things that they didn't want to leave. They couldn't go into rehab for 30 days or 60 days or whatever. It used to bother me because they typically did not do well in outpatient, right? because they still were craving. Now IOP makes sense. Now IOP can work because they're not craving anymore. They're learning in IOP, but they don't necessarily have to be, you know, locked down somewhere for a month or two.

And that's kind of why I'd like the county attorney to be involved in this and do some kind of diversion. So if they agree to this, then he can hold their feet to the fire that if they don't go to treatment, then they violated their conditions release and they can come back. Yeah. So, all right. I assume the cravings of anyone who has fought through and is now lived five, six, seven, 10 years, um, they're still there. Yeah.

What percentage of those people, if if it was ever measurable, never go back? Is it 10% of people cure themselves or go through a traditional program and go the rest of their lives? Cuz I can't imagine that it is one% so low you can't that's what I'm saying. What we've been doing doesn't work. It's not working. And I feel like, you know, I feel like people have worked very hard on all of this. I'm not, you [snorts] know, in any way putting down what they've tried to accomplish, but it's not working. And so we have to have another choice.

That's that question takes me back to the prejudices of the past. And so you employ the 100%. [clears throat and cough] And and only 1% never fail and they can be in very dangerous positions. Uh so so this is the great gates of Kiev open up. it is to something that we talked about three years ago and we didn't succeed as a court but it's pretty it's it's more than pretty dramatic with Kelly Rebecca thank you all I actually still have more of a question go ahead

sorry that's what I was trying to say when I was asking these questions okay so did you say before you were only going to let like a person that comes through if we give you 50 or if you you know the funding for 50 you'll you'll if they come through your facility you only let them go through the program once. Well is that that's way what the other jails are doing. So uh now not everybody will qualify for it. So they have to go through so that'll be part of their process of coming in and saying you know you're not quite ready there to be to help yet. You know we we don't want to waste this money. We want to be good stewards of it but we want to make sure we're helping those that want to help themselves.

All right. And then that brings me to my next question is um so if we do know that time to time people will go from jail to jail. I mean they're they're chasing their addiction so they may end up in Bo County. Uh so you all will have like a list of if these people have actually been on this program or tried this program before and advise him uh to make sure we're not, you know, they're not double dipping. And and also we want to make sure that, you know, we're trying to get to a point where we're only dealing with B County, you know, [clears throat] people. And we want to make sure that if we're going to use B County tax dollars for this program that we want it to not just

we don't want to take this away from somebody else that that Bo County. We we'll only treat Boil County residents. So if a Jefferson County resident came into Boil County Jail, [snorts] unfortunately, they wouldn't be eligible to use Boil County funds for it. If a boil county resident was in uh Oldm County Jail, they wouldn't be able to get it in Oldm County Jail. So only a a Boil County resident would only be treated in Boil County Center. And how long do you think Medicaid Medare would possibly It's hard to say. I would say probably at least another year. Yeah.

It's a it's a pretty it's a pretty lengthy process. Although I will say we are looking into um a kind of a offmarket use for stimulants because there is nothing else. And so the FDA may allow us. We don't know yet. We're they're they're looking into that because there just isn't anything else really. Um so we're hoping that they'll allow us to use it and and if that happens, Medicaid, Medicare and private insurance may get on board faster. So fingers crossed, right?

And last thing is if you want, we can make sure we get your judge a signed autograph picture. [laughter] We'll send that over for you. You do that. That would tickle me. REALLY? [laughter] ALL RIGHT. DOES EVERYBODY HAVE THEIR QUESTIONS ANSWERED? Everybody leave my cards here. If you want one, we'll pass them in. Thank you all very much. Thank you. So, thank you all for giving us this time. I know we took up quite a bit of time, but this, you all know this is something I'm very passionate about uh treatment and this is something we need. We've had success with it. I just want our county to continue to have success

and we'll have further conversations. We'll we'll wait until we see about what happens with the grant and then how that works and if we need to regroup and decide something else. So, sounds good. Thank you. If I don't see you, Merry Christmas. Thank you. Merry Christmas. We do have one more meeting this month though, so [laughter] I'm not going to be on that one. I got everything. All right, we are going to back up now on the agenda and we are going to welcome uh Tony Wilder with America's 250 committee. Safe travels you all.

Judge, thanks very much. Appreciate you allowing me to visit. The opportunity is always welcome. I must admit that I might have been expecting a bit earlier, but but OLD HABITS DIE HARD. WHEN I presided here, we started at 10:00. [laughter] So, I'm a bit unaware of all that right now. Um, let me pass this out to you. All right. Thank you. What you about to receive is a working budget that I put together. Um, as we've now developed these core events and uh some other activities we're going to do, uh, things are becoming into focus a bit more about the costs.

Uh, there are still some items on there that I don't know exactly what it's going to cost to do, but this month marks a year ago that we had our first organizational meeting. And the consensus was then and remains firmly now that this has got to be special. And I can't tell you how much I appreciate the local governments. I appeared before your colleagues last night at the city. Uh I I how much I appreciate the local governments embracing this cuz it's important. You know, we we gave the pledge of allegiance down at the city last night and I'm sure you open with the same pledge

and it reminded me when you make that pledge, it reminded me of to emphasize the importance and value of what we're doing for this event and the 250th birthday of this great country. So, u as I've told you judge, many times, I appreciate the opportunity to chair this event. uh uh we're a bit probably more ambitious than people may think uh we would have been, but I think everybody's going to be pleased with what we're doing. Now, if you look at this, I'm talking here to give you a little time to look at it. Uh

you know, when the last time I was here, we mentioned some of these core events. Uh two things I want to talk about. There's two new events that we're going to add. And I swore to the committee that I wouldn't add anymore because this is, you know, [laughter] the whole year it's to pull this off, you need a lot of coordination and a lot of logistical uh acumen. And but I got to say this this one this event you'll see proposed new event on the first page, the second item uh in working and trying to find I I believe our parades ought to reflect a a lot of variety of things. So when we do this Fourth of July parade, I think number one, we ought to have an Uncle Sam on stilts if I can find them.

Uhhuh. And an Abraham Lincoln. Yeah. Now, I have been in conversations with uh and it's not and I made the mistake of saying Abraham Lincoln impersonated. That's not that's not proper. It's Abraham Lincoln presenter. And I've um we have a couple in Kentucky that are real [clears throat] uh famous. And Kendall turned me on to one fell who just happened to retire from Anderson County and he turned me on to another guy in Louisville, actually in Olden County who couldn't do it. He's going to be in Lincoln, Nebraska on 4th of July to to present. But he told me about a gentleman in Nashville.

His name is Jacob Truax. You all can look him up. There's a whole website on Lincoln Presenters. And this Jacob Truax is absolutely excited to come to Daniel for our parade. Wow. Now, he is he is get a look at him. He's he is a dead rigger. He apparently is a great performer and he uh also does something called An Evening with Abraham Lincoln. Now, his wife also portrays Mary Todd Lincoln. So, we're going to get two for the price of one parade. [laughter] Now, here's what I'm thinking. Uh it hit me just immediately. you know, our friends in Forkland, uh,

and I have a long history with them myself. Uh, we, when I was judge, we we got a grant or two to help them restore the community center. And I've always felt a great, uh, love for that area. Uh, because of the rural energy, people that really care about their their where they live and and about their heritage. And well, everybody knows here, I'm sure, that Lucy Sparah,

Abraham Lincoln's grandmother is buried on in the ground in the Fort and that uh and that little museum down there is special to them. So, I happen to think, my goodness, we're trying to do events everywhere in our community. Wouldn't it be neat to have Abraham Lincoln come to the community center and do this evening with Abraham Lincoln? Let me tell you about this guy. before he's after this event in between and coming to the parade and July 4th, he's going to be performing not the Globe Theater in London, but one of the famous theaters in London, England. Oh, wow. So, this guy is really good. And uh do we have him locked in? He's locked in. Good.

As a matter of fact, I do I'm going to send him the papers today to lock him in. And I was uh uh very pleased that I was able to get a room comp for the him on both occasions at the bottom bed and breakfast

which he's very excited about coming to the historic town of Parable and stay in the historic bottom house. So that's that's one event that's one event that's going to be new. Uh, and we're looking forward to that and and we'll be promoting it and uh and those folks down in Forkland always draw a crowd and I think this will be uh this will be important crowd too and it's in April and there's some very important dates in April related to Abraham Lincoln not only the end of the Civil War but his assassination on the 15th and uh uh so I think it's all going to really interact together. So

that'd be great. And the second one, a proposed event uh down at the bottom of the first page. Um we, as you all know, center has always hosted the governor scholars. Mhm. Now there's 800 governor scholars on campus when that happens. And uh I thought how it'd be neat. We have these incredible minds all captured at one time. Wouldn't it be neat to fold in an event for our 250th with those kids on campus?

So, Kit Masterson and Brown uh who produces the film that you know about and I've talked about before uh has consented to lecture the governor scholars uh along with the general public. We'll invite the general public as well

u on the signers. He has he has created an amazing amount of research and presented it online on this witnessing history uh website and uh it's all about the signers. He's chronicled their life from the early Declaration of Independence through the revolution and what those signers faced and how they lived and what they sacrificed and how they were terrorized with, you know, they could have been hung at any time. And he's and it's important that these young minds

uh because I don't think we talk about this enough in in school. And uh uh so I think there'll be a great opportunity for it. So that still remains to be worked out because the governor scholars is a state agency and we're working with partnering with center and uh so that would be sometime in June in the middle of June because that's when they're on campus. Um, so, uh, I must, uh, tell you too that, uh, we are, you'll see in here that, uh, uh, you're you're going to get an account of what we spent, your money, uh, the $33,333 that you, uh, conveyed to the, uh, economic development uh, agency, uh, our fidiciary. Uh, you'll see what we've spent. We're down to about $8,000. Um, in this document you will have it uh detailed about what we expect to spend. Uh, obviously the Eddie McGomery concert is the big money.

Mhm. concert and u uh I'm going to be asking Sheriff T Sheriff Bottom and uh and Chief Gray and uh um probably the city manager and the judge u and Tommy Barton. I'm gonna try to join them in a committee because now it's getting close. We've established the other things. I think we got things pretty good order. We got to now plan for the logistical issues that are going to occur from this concert. Now, we have experience. [clears throat] The fireworks night out there is a pretty big night. There's a lot of people there. I'll bet you at some point there's 10,000 people out there. There's a lot

at least around and the parking and they find places. But this time for this two-hour concert, we're probably going to have to have an organizational approach to it. Uh so we may have to and I and that's going to be two nights for law enforcement. Going to be a lot of overtime. Mhm. You take the third concert night plus the fourth. Yeah. U so we may have to hire a parking management firm. Uh and Paula, if I'm not mistaken, somebody told me you all contacted somebody to [clears throat] handle your parking at one time. Yes. and u they actually have something else I'll talk to you about u an organization that's another organization that's interested so I can talk about that

and and of course we all if you've never been to concerts you know there's always a security firm there representing somebody so we may have to look into that but I want to make sure that our law enforcement and our elected leaders understand that we're going to handle that um so uh that's important so that would be on the third and the fourth yeah The third is the concert night. Third is concert night. Um there may be an issue and this is more of an issue with Tommy Barton that we'll [snorts] have to work out with the park, but we may not be able to keep the stage set up

for the third concert into the fourth. So Tommy usually has music out there for Fourth of July, too. So, [snorts] uh we'll see. It may be a little bit more expensive to keep it and he may have to take it somewhere else uh too on the 4th. So, we're working on that. Uh, the gentleman who is providing our staging and sound and lighting also does brass band and he's out of Montella as a matter of fact

called Proauudio Video and uh just a neat guy to work with. So, um that that is booked as well. We've got the stage and lighting and sound covered. [clears throat] Um, now you all probably Kendall and this guy here has been invaluable in helping uh he uh and Candace have just been great to work with and uh really depending on them to help me get through this thing and and pull it off and execute on what we're going to do. Uh but the uh and you'll see in there on the second page at the bottom something called swag items and memorabilia. Mhm. [clears throat]

I told him last night the city I didn't know what swag meant. Is that [laughter] an acronym or No, this is it's just a new term. Okay. This is swag. Yeah. Okay. Okay. Well, now lapel pins, magnets for your refrigerator or anything. Yeah. Metal that you want to put it on. Please uh distribute it all you can. I I presume we brought some up here. Right here. Oh, back there. Okay. a good deal. Swag bag our We're going to we're going to also bring some rack cars up here. We need to place in somewhere in a prominent place. So, because now it's time to start promoting Yep. and marketing.

We don't want to have nice events with nobody coming. So, I've been I've been on WH already uh on Joel Joe. What was his last name? Matis. Matis.

Yeah. I've been on his show. Uh we'll probably be on a few more times. We're going to work in some other public appearances. Uh obviously we're going to hit print media and broadcast media and of course the thing that I've and we've all uh experienced the evolution of online and it's amazing what Facebook will do and uh so we're going to do that pretty heavily. U but March 17th will be our first core event. the educational outreach uh activity and project that uh Maggie McAdams and Lauren Claus and folks at the library and at the McDow House are doing will probably start about February or March into the schools we're going to go and do some educational outreach about the 250th and all the related history things about uh what this means u for our country. So, uh, take a look at this. If you have any questions later, um, please let me know. I did miscalculate on the swag items. That's where I was going to go. I have $10,000 there. Uh, it's apparently it's going to be about 5,000 cuz I didn't count the lapel pins. Uh, and you'll also see the numbers that we ordered in this document.

You mean 15,000? $15,000. Yeah. for swag and all those stickers and logos and t-shirts and coffee mugs. Now, our coffee mugs are still uh in transit. They're in Chino, California, right? Chino, California. And you're going to see these these coffee mugs are an attractive mug. So, we'll probably end up giving away most of these have been designed or it's what we decided to give away as part of our celebration, but we're probably going to have some to sell in various shops around town. So, uh, you'll find them very attractive. Uh, and there was a We don't have a picture of the cup, did we?

No. Okay. Uh, so but that's that's um pretty much what I wanted to uh convey to you this morning. We have a meeting today and we have a meeting today at 2:00. 2:00 rec. Yes. At RAC. Everybody welcome. Thank you. That's what I wanted. That's that's I [clears throat] wanted to see the numbers. See what So that was good. Well, that's what I do. You mentioned meeting last night with the city. How much have they committed? Well, uh that commitment hasn't been specified yet, but uh that now the city manager and I had spoken. He was glad to get this as well cuz they needed a little picture. Yeah.

Uh and and my my message to him last night was, you know, how gracious and generous the county's been to put up 100,000. I think in the spirit of partnership, there ought to be some equality shown by the city. Absolutely. Uh and uh so the city manager indicated to me that they were serious about doing that. So I told them I'd be back in January to their meeting, first meeting in January and we would uh or in between and we'll we'll get a commitment from them as well. So I'll guarantee I'll get a commitment. Oh, the other thing we'll tell just to just to soften the the the blow a little bit. Good question.

I'm I've already raised $20,000 from some of our marquee business. My goal My goal is to raise 40. And what I wanted to do, I wanted to cover Eddie's fee for his band because I just thought private money is better applied to that than public money. now staging the parks and all that you all your money I think it's appropriate having been here that's the way I relate but I intend to raise $40,000 okay so and I've got two meetings this week with the other two uh major uh uh potential donors

uh one of them being our our farmers bank and uh and another so you'll get it so we'll uh we'll see how that goes and that will make things a bit easier and then we can all sit down later on and start [clears throat] rolling these things out where the money needs to go. And you're you're including the other cities as well, right? Not just Danville. Parable injunction as well. Make sure they feel involved. Right. Right. Yeah. And there's one, I must admit, there's one example of of of an entity uh two really. We we need our African-American community to have something. Uh and we're working with Michael Hughes had gone through a difficult time.

Yeah. And we've also got Melinda Withers uh assisting with that. So in our meeting today, we're going to talk more about that. But KSD, we've got to get the KSD community involved either in a parade entry or they've got a Jacobs Hall is a museum in itself about the deaf community. And uh uh so I want them represented in all of this because that's part of our history. I mean, you're talking about going back to 1820, [clears throat] 18, right? 15. You know, it's um that's that's an important part of our 1823. 1823. 1823. Yeah. Yeah. Is there anything planned for Constitution Square?

Yeah. I think Kim, you want to speak to that a little bit? I know Mimi Becker has talked about uh having some art. Okay, good. But we need to talk about that. Good. Um we need to have some event there. Um, did we talk about casting the long long rifle competition there? We talked about doing that. Well, that's going to be at Traveler's Rest, but it was going to be simil square if possible. Yeah, we haven't really moved moved on that u you know, but I will say this, the uh the the flint lock uh rifle, long rifle uh demonstration and competition, which I'm sure you judge heard about. Yes, I've

heard about. I will. Steve Ellis is really working hard on that. And Tom, I don't know if you've been in contact with me, but that's that's uh uh we've got a price on that and he's got a lot of those events out there uh um in place. So, uh I'm pleased with that. We we've got some good people on this committee. And what's the location of the D's U T? It's going to be the arts center. Art Center. And what about the uh film presentation? Is that going to be at That's the Old County Performing Arts.

Okay. We uh at Junction, we have decided we're going to take our balloon festival. I just spoke with the some people this morning about trying to make it a 250 year event. So, we've got the balloon festival. We need to make it bigger and better. August. And then we're also talking about [clears throat] we seems like everybody's haven't spoken with the school exactly, but we want to take and do a uh a time capsule with the school kids. Oh, yeah. and put a time capsule in the ground. That's an old thing, but you know, something old. Sometimes old stuff's good, too. So, be great. I tell you what. Yeah, that'd be great. That that that balloon thing can be adapted mighty well. A lot of pretty patriotic colors and lots of things. White blues.

That's exactly right. That's exactly right. Yes. M.

Yeah. Just uh and I'm glad to hear about the African-American side as well because I was going to bring that up. serving on the Martin Luther King committee which we were introduced and and met um last night because one of our charges from that committee is to do diversity related events and things throughout the year not just at one day and so I think that committee would be a good source of information. Michael Hughes of course is a good resource as well and Melinda's on that um committee also. So, I do think that's important to make part of the celebration because uh one of the themes that we're focusing on this year for the Martin Luther King Day event is building community and of course our African-American um population really in a lot of ways built this country

and so we don't want to forget that. help. Well, part of this they're part of our history that the state part of our history. Exactly. Joey, I have a question. Yes. Comment. Um, regarding the Montgomery concert, have you considered the possibility of augmenting the security parking uh people with we have a local MP unit here, international guard, so they have experience military. So, you might want to think about including them. They would save some cost. Maybe [clears throat] I have a pin for that. That's good. So, there's an MP division here locally. Mhm. Yeah.

Wow. Okay. Any other questions? Did I miss anything? [laughter] So, first event then to look forward to is March 17th. Yes. Okay. And that'll be the shot heard around the world. Okay. And there may be a little component to that or two that'll be other entertaining, too. Okay. We'll see. All right. Thank you, Tony. We appreciate it. Yeah.

Okay. If anybody can come to the meeting today at 2 o'clock, uh, be sure and come on out. Okay. Uh, Pogue Engineering, Brian Johnson. Oh. Come here, Brian. Welcome. How are you? Good. A meeting I expected, but stand up here. Yes, sir. Brian's going to give us a little update on the courthouse clock tower. I don't know whether you want to lay this out. You look at it real quick just to kind of get an idea of what's involved.

Sure. Uh we have a place to lay it out. Uh maybe lay it there with some of the magistrates or it can just draw something. I actually forgot to put the repair on there. So Oh yeah. So I've got these verticals like and probably it's going to be channels. So it's they're the same sheet. So we'll do one on this side, one onate on my analysis, I guess. Yeah.

So four trust frames, okay?

And I've analyzed them. Uh, you know, we didn't do any testing on the wood, but I believe that's a white oak. Best I can determine. And that's a queen post truss and they're just not really designed to take the kind of loads that we're, you know, taking. It's a 40ft span. Uh, a lot of the queen posts you have the bottom cord which winds up taking pretty much all the load like a great big beam. And the problem is it's just too much. If I turn it into a little bit of a truss like that, I can repair each of the four that are beyond that have nothing to do with the clock tower. So that gets us up into at least repairing that part of the roof framing system. And the rafters and the ceiling joists are acceptable. They're pretty close to the limit, but they're okay uh in that area. The problem with the tower is obviously it's tremendous amount of load and I'm even having difficulty estimating what that is. So u the frame that's supporting it, which is call 9 number two, that's the one that's obviously the greatest damage. And I've kind of spun my wheels a little bit thinking about how we can, you know, the architectural concerns about tearing out the ceiling in that courtroom in order to reinforce that member because I know you in the past [cough] talked about wanting to keep it uh looking like wood and an old design. Ideally, I'd like to replace the entire thing with a steel frame, but I get it. We probably can't do that. So, I may still be able to sister channels on there, but I haven't got nothing I've come up with has worked so far. And you're talking the structure of the clock tower, right?

Well, the uh supporting uh frame which is on column line 2, that's that supports nearly I'd say 85% of that uh load. It's that high. It's a little bit lopsided, which is obviously too. Um there is another frame between uh one and two, but it's not even a queen post. It's just a I'm not even sure how it's how to describe it. M it's more of a beam system. And of course the front wall there is I call mine one. Oh yeah, two. [clears throat] Yeah. The the frame on two has been the problem from day one. It does add a little bit of stress. So you're talking this thicker

right beam across there is not substantial enough. Right. It is a queen post frame but yeah it's nowhere near substantial enough. So a lot of times just to kind of pause you real quick, what year was the structure built in? 62. We think it was after the Civil War they rebuilt it. Actually, it was completed just before the end of the battle because it was vacated by the court and hundreds of wounded people were brought through. But I thought the clock tower was added a little bit later. There's two different stages. There is a smaller roof without the tower on it. Yeah, I think that came in they built on top of that. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Well, I guess that was after the fire, I think.

Well, I think the courthouse was rebuilt in 1862, but then the tower looks like it was added later. There's a actually a roof under it that's got a tin and then it looks like somebody almost stepped through. Yeah. I [laughter] guess I guess the only reason the reason I asked that question is it clearly [clears throat] has been some it was pretty some pretty good engineering obviously because it's held absolutely well. Yeah. How many years is that? I mean I might have a little contention with that. But the queen post design is okay in shorter spans and with not as much load, right?

But when you get into loads like this, the way that is that's a I believe that's a Pratt truss or it could be a how I forgot my terminology there. But typically you want the webs to come from the top cord down to a panel point 165. I think a lot I think that's a testament to the wood itself because again it's acting as a huge beam. Of course that's why it's got the splits and checks in it and it's a little bit of rotation. It's just overloaded. But wood is just an incredible uh you know element to work with because even when it's overloaded the the tension fibers are so high. It's kind of like you know how steel gets strain hardened. you know, the it it's got a limit on it, but if you go beyond that limit, it actually gets a little bit stronger right before it fails. Yeah.

So, Brian, what part of this can you do and what part are you recommending that we get an architect for? Okay. That and that's my concern because I have spun my wheels a little bit without I usually have an architect that leaves as a prime and then we go back and forth and discuss things because in the uh effort to repair this, you're going to tear up a lot of stuff that's got to be replaced. Mhm. And again, you've got to make decisions on, well, if we're going to cut out literally, you know, 20 ft of ceiling, we may just have to do the renovate the whole courtroom. Mhm. And then when we talk about the controlling the water, again, that's something that I really don't, you know, it affects me, but it's not something I know how to address effectively.

Okay. So, I tried to send all the information that we had to um Steve White at uh White Pard as an architect, but Julie said you'd said that there was another architect that was possibly available. Actually, he's a structural. Okay. [laughter] Yeah. I I can hope you No. No. Um Brian, did you say that the you wanted to use steel in the clock tower, but you didn't think you could? Okay. only for the frame itself. So a lot of times what we do is that bottom cord is like an 8 by12. So it's a huge piece of lumber.

The ceiling joist come in and they are they were toenailed into the bottom. And a lot of times we put channels on either side and bolt through and so you're basically you're basically taking a lot of the load with the steel. So I'll make the channel so big that you almost won't need the wood.

You still do, but I'm just saying you almost won't. I'm going to bring it so high. Uh the problem is you have to take out each one of those floor or ceiling joists and you got to cut them keep them short up, put the channels in there, and then you've got to have a a steel tab or something bolt those back in. Uh the system they came up with, uh they had they knew they had problems where it was pulling away and they took one and they put horizontal then they had two legs dropping down and they nailed in but it's like one or two nails. It's not even close to sufficient. So, what you're saying is that the courtroom while all this is going on is most likely going to be unusable. I think so. Now, first we needed to know that today.

At first, I thought we could. But again, that's what I'm saying. That's why I'm kind of spinning my wheels because I'm going back and forth. And I think if I had an architect with me to kind of talk things over with, we'd go a lot faster. I I was thinking, judge, I'm glad you're here. I found the documents from the previous renovation of the clock tower. Tape Tate did it Lexington. Was that in 2001? What you sent me? Yes, it was. Yes. Right after the Y2K. And I'm wondering if that if they're still in practice whether they would be the best architect to bring in because they've already worked on it. They they would be Did they do that because something was noticed earlier? I think you did exterior. This was more exterior new copper. It was so So it was

It wasn't structural that there wasn't any structural work that I recall. Yeah, I don't think there was. I looked cuz it didn't sound like structural at all from what you described. So after we talked yesterday, I I thought about finding that document and it was Tate and so I'm thinking if they're still in business, they are maybe we could get them. Yeah. And I'm not sure why that I didn't reach out to them because I think Chris is the one that recommended the white. So I went with him. Sure. Sure. Um because he tried to reach Garland and Garland wasn't wasn't available. a little bit off and well and I think what happened just for some background is we were working with the architect for AOC.

They're now going to probably move out while this is done. So that takes their architect out of the mix and so now we're back to we need to get an architect. I had planned on working with Jimmy Pil. Right. So and so that's kind of put me back a little bit. Do you think we can stay here? Well, the court not upstairs on the first floor. Yes. Okay. I think just the upstairs is going to need some work. Now, what Ben when he came down and we talked about the scaffolding everything, one of the biggest concerns was he didn't want to he was worried about the process of jacking the uh main timbers up. I think there's these eight there's eight eight of those large timbers for around the octagon. Yeah.

Yeah. For the octagon. So, um, we were hoping to reinforce the beams and then jack from the framing that's up high because what's not what's not shown here is I'll kind of point. I don't know if you can see. So, call 92 goes across here. There are some massive beams that come perpendicular that make the square of the original uh roof enclosure and they're probably like 24 by 24 beams. And those are I [clears throat] think they're on they're either on top or hung from the uh that truss on T2 and you know it's a very large steel rod. Okay.

But if we can get that supported where it can take the load to get it reinforced enough we could jack those up a little bit on that existing framing instead of coming all the way down to the first floor and even the foundation. Like we have to put posts on the inside to temporarily shore or jack. You'd have to cut holes in the floor and go all the way down to a footing at the bottom because your floor frame is not going to handle that kind of load. How you how you going to support the steel? So, right now the truss is in position and we were again not going to jack it up very much if at all. And then we're going to put steel on there and bolt it together and then any f further deflection the steel is going to wind up taking on the total load basically. Okay.

How you going to support the steel though? They are be are they going to uh it's going to be bolted in. So you've already got the wood truss there. You're going to basically sister onto either side. Again, that's that's what I'm hoping to accomplish. The problem is again, I'm not far enough along to establish like I get a big enough beam to do that. So, we need to bid for an architect, get get an architect on board that you can get together with and then finalize the plans. But I had another idea. We don't want to bid necessarily. They're professional service. So if we wanted to go contact T who has did it before, we could do that because they're a professional service host to you and give if you want to do that you move might quicker. Yeah.

Yeah. I had another idea though to move a little quicker. I'm not sure. Um if you did more of a design build type process, [clears throat] the architect, whoever is brought on board and me as a structural engineer would work for say CRR Collective, which is Ben. In other words, you've got the contractor driving the whole process because he is going to be doing the work. I don't know to be honest with you. That's better because typically I like to be architect driven because they can kind of police the contractor. This is a preservation project. So, we probably need to get a preservation. Yeah, I absolutely think you need that.

But what I'm saying is if you work for the contractor, like on my end in particular, they expose things to me and I can change the drawings and we kind of design on the fly. I still have to have the main design done, but you know, you come back and you have some adjustability. The problem is you don't have to police it. In other words, the contractor may say, "Well, this is, you know, $300,000 for this and whatever." Yeah. With the architect, the engineer kind of scrutinizing it, you know, we may get better results. Isn't [snorts] the bail really, really heavy? Well, I'm wondering with the getting it out right away. And that's my point is if you go ahead and let the be contractor driven, you can go ahead and start this process and tear it out even though we haven't got the design done. Yeah, there's a little bit [clears throat] of, you know, it's what you're saying. So, the bell would come out.

Yeah, I think they're going to take out one of the panels in the window. But I have a question. If if you're going to reinforce it with steel, [clears throat] right, then does the bell need to come out? Uh, I think we can make it work. Well, that's what we said. If I can get it to work, I think we can. It would be preferable to keep it, but it is okay. I Well, I mean, I thought the opposite. I thought you were prefer to take it out. Well, we were we were, but then you brought up steel, so that kind of changes, you know, if you're going to reinforce with steel, it's going to make it stronger. Oh, yeah. And maybe the it would withhold the weight of the bell, right? [clears throat] But we may still need to take it out.

Yeah, that's my point. Even if we had new woods, uh, stronger woods, I don't think you could get that old look. You know what I'm saying? And the idea of replacing it entirely, you'd have to take off the roof a whole slice. You'd have to take off the tower. It's much better to try to sister against what we have currently and reinforce that property. Would you know or would it be the architect or accommodation? Does Bell have to come out during the reconstruction? I don't think they would have to. I mean, they might want to [clears throat] do work in there, but then again, I don't I think it could stay. I mean, I guess that depends. If we're going to tear that floor up and refflo it, then you probably want to pull it out temporarily. It's not that big of a bell to be honest. It's right. [clears throat] It's heavy. It's heavy. [laughter] It's not that big. No, it's hard.

The problem is the window panels are a little bit narrow. Yes. I mean, if [clears throat] you're going to go to this expense of putting in the steel, it seems like it would make more sense to try to just build it to keep the bill. That's what I was thinking. As long as it's safe. That's the main thing. Is it safe to stay there now? That's that's it. Mhm. So, [clears throat] you know, again, Ben brought up the idea of the scaffolding because all along we talked about taking the tower off, rebuilding it, put it back on. And he would prefer to build in place. And what we can do is like those octagon columns.

Let's say that it's leaning like this and we try to you can jack these up and maybe put some shims underneath of it and level a little bit, but most of it might be more of a decorative leveling. In other words, you're stuck with your structure. We stabilize it. Then you come in there and let's say it's got a little slope to it. You just cut out these walls and rebuild it so it looks level now. Judge Wilder. Um I'm sure you all are in consultation with her council too. Okay. Yes. [clears throat] Yes. And secondly, I just have one personal thing. There's a lot of old graffiti. Yes. Up there. And if there's something torn out, I think for posterity sake, save some of that if you can. Don't throw it away. There might be somebody we can put museum into here like this.

So, absolutely. take pieces of lumber, make a plaque out of it or something. That's all [laughter] that's all I do. Well, so I like the idea of the bell staying up there. Yeah. But I also like the idea of people being able to see the bell. See the bell? Yeah. And so I mean the bell is how how old Well, when was it? Yeah. Is that when it was put in or was it put in? It's it's a like 1890 I think is the 18 something. Yeah, before 1900. So, it's so it's old. Two two two thoughts here. A, it would be kind of cool to actually have it out and like do something with it at on display

at display here in the courthouse square. Or if you could somehow design a window up there, one more designing this so that you could actually see it in its natural state. I don't know. It just I was talking with someone else. It's a It's a shame that only a few people know that the bill's there and realize it's there. I mean, you hear, but you don't really realize it. And Okay, here you wouldn't get Can't even hear it now. Right. Well, yeah. Yeah. I mean, tax credits if we did something like that. So, that's something to consider because the tax credits could offset the cost. Um, it's like I don't know. I don't know. I just want to I want to display it somehow. What What [clears throat] about in the front entrance there? Is there room? You know, you got that front foyer.

No, I want people to be able to come by and see. I mean, so I grew up in right outside of Philly, so I'm used to seeing the Liberty Bell, you know. So, you know, I mean, this is quite isn't the Liberty Bell, but it's, you know, it's it's it's the county. It's our Liberty Bell. [laughter] So, yeah. So, I mean, it'd be great to to like let people see. So, Julie Lee, what what do you mean by you won't be able if we take it out of the building? No. If you try to modify the clock tower to make it visible, you would not put windows in it. It's not, right? You can't modify it. But if we take the bail out, we still we'd be okay. Then we did say that. Yeah. How much are we talking in tax credits?

Uh it depends on the overall cost. Um be 4 or 500,000 if we get our asking in time. It's a lot of money. It's significant. Yeah, it could be definitely a drop. Depends on who who else applies that year. Um, we really can't say until we get the cost in, but usually it's 20% of the project somewhere around there. That's huge. Yeah. Okay. So, going forward, we need to get an architect. Yeah. And then get back with you. Right. Right.

And by the way, that's the other reason you need an architect because as a structural I wouldn't know anything about stuff like that. very good about coming up with a construction budget and even if it misses, which they always do a little bit, they still have a lot more knowledge about ins and outs, things they can do. And I just I don't have those management skills. I [clears throat] just do design. [laughter] The sooner we do it, the better. Way faster. Yeah. Even though I've sent the stuff to I think that Jake would be a better choice. And again, I'm not sure why. I think because they have had some change in the people who work there. Mhm. Um forgot to go to now, but Okay. I think Sus is retired. Well, we'll get on that ASAP and get back with you and let you know and then we can proceed forward.

Yeah. Well, I'm going to keep on designing and and again, just on the personal note there, Thanksgiving and Christmas is my holidays, so I'm only in the office two weeks in between. I go to North Carolina for almost a month. Yeah. I'd say be first a year before ready to Right. Um, so it I was supposed to come down before I left on the Thanksgiving vacation, but again, I was trying to get everything done. I just wasn't able to. That's why I'm having difficulty figuring out the uh the weight of that of everything above and how that's framed in right there at the front, which is obviously the most critical. But I had to wrap my mind around everything we're going to have to do uh in that roof system. So, okay.

Well, we sort of changed the scope when we said we want to stay here and that's what I'm saying. Everything's is in flux and I really need a partner to kind of talk that over a design team. Yeah, it's hard for me to do all this myself as just an engineer. I just do those. So, any other questions, comments? Do we know if it's an iron or a bronze bell? I believe it's iron. I got a a gentleman called me from the company in New York that does the bell sent me a book about all the bells they do and it looks like the the foundry just did iron. That was New York. I thought it was Cincinnat.

All right. Well, thank you, Brian. We appreciate you. And you want to keep these? Yeah. Okay. Might as well plenty of copies. Okay. Yeah. Thank you. Merry Christmas. Merry Christmas. Safe travel. [clears throat] Thank you. All right. Next up, we have Taylor Golden with One Box. Thank you for being patient. Patience is a virtue. [laughter] How do you also uh state champs? [laughter] You got a full education. Got a lot of good things going.

We got a lot going on. Yeah. [laughter] So, it's a real privilege to be here. My name is Taylor Golden. Um I'm the chief research and development officer with Rapid Risk Reduction. Uh so, Mr. Colin, I really appreciate you inviting me out. Kina, I really appreciate you coordinating me the invitation. Um so, I am a very proud product of the recovery community and social safety net here in Appalachia. Um so, you know, I I I grew up um as a child of the opioid epidemic. I grew up on both sides of the river. So, I came here this morning from Portsouth, Ohio, just on the other side of the river, so about a three-hour drive. Um, and was very stoked to be here in particular because uh Boil County was the first uh recovery ready community in the great Commonwealth. So, back in 2023. [clears throat] So, this is actually my first time being here physically with y'all. Um, but I've read about y'all. So, um, and to be in a space where y'all are talking about forward things, forward thinking things on the cutting edge like the net device, um, you know, bringing up, you know, modalities like psych, psychedelic assisted therapy. Um, it's really exciting for me, you know. Um, so not a lot of counties are, you know, looking are so forwardinking and so open-minded when it comes to building and bolstering a strong recovery um, you know, recovery ecosystem. So, um, real privilege to be here for for that for those reasons as well. Um today I'm here to present on one box. So um this is a system from rapid risk reduction. Um our mission and vision is to build and bolster connective and responsive risk reduction systems. Uh primarily taking you know supporting communities um you know meeting them where they are to uh to bring the number of fatal overdoses down to zero within their communities. So um usually we have slides and all that good stuff. I didn't want to bore bore you with it. Uh, so what I wanted to do was go ahead and just present the one box. Um, and then leave plenty of time for y'all to ask questions and all that good stuff. How does that sound?

Sounds great. Great. So this is a one box. Um, real quick, does everybody know what Nlloxxone is? It's totally okay. Okay. Excellent. Um, so this is a Nlloxxone emergency kit. So purple, you know, for the color of overdose prevention and awareness. Um, you open this puppy up. It has a box of personal protective equipment. So masks, gloves, CPR, everything you would need to respond an overdose in real time by rescue breathing, all that good stuff. Um, it's made to fit any brand of intraasal nlloxxone. Um, so we are totally brand ambivalent. We don't care what brand you're carrying just as long as you're carrying nlloxxone. Um, so the what sets the one box apart is that it really is kind of an AED for overdose. So when you pull the tab here, it'll give a live 60-second. First off, let's take

Hey, here's how you use nlloxxone in an emergency situation. This is actually Jan Raider. She is the Huntington Fire Chief. Uh, you know, she's she's a hero of mine and somebody who's probably reversed more overdoses than just about anybody in Appalachia. So, um, it'll play a 60-second emergency video. Hey, here's how you use it in emergency. Let's take a deep breath.

Has a 5 to six minute training mode. So, this is for organizations to train at scale. Um now I myself um have had the privilege to train a few thousand people um few few thousand people over the course of my life um in how to administer Nlloxxone in in an overdose situation. And what that looked like for me in southern Ohio was running around all the counties uh myself like I had let's check them before supper time trying to figure out okay coordinating schedules here there everywhere. Um what this device allows is for us to train at scale. So, anytime we have a new uh, you know, team member come to our program, new uh patient, community member, etc. who's interested in learning about overdose prevention and response, we hand them the box, have them watch the five-minute training two times over and then just have a coffee and conversation about it for for the more nuance points. Um, it's also bilingual tools. So, um, you know, for the standard training and the emergency training, it's also um, um, it's triple redundant as well. also full instructions on overdose prevention and response how to administer and QR code redundancy.

Um so it has a seven-year duty cycle for the battery life. So when you account for the actual cost of the eloxone plus the box itself, basically it allows a any public space in your community, any private space uh to have a staff that's fully armed and comped and to administer Nlloxxone in real time for about $22 a year. So um yeah, so uh this is the one box. I would love to, you know, I'm happy to pass it around if y'all would like to, you know, pass with it. Um, and then, yeah, I'd love to respond to kind of any questions that y'all may have and around. I'm gonna embarrass myself with a question because you said you do it two times over um training program,

but where is this box when one of us runs across somebody who needs what we put inside there? um and they don't have time to save this person with 12 minutes of learning. Oh, so my apologies. So the first training that that when it opens up immediately, it's the 60-second emergency uh response training. So the five to that would be enough in an emergency. Absolutely. Yes. That like I say, I'm embarrassed to have to ask that, but

not an embarrassing question at all. So when I saw this um I started thinking about our first responders mainly. Um they often you you'll see stories about first responders whether it's police, EMS, you know, fire or whatever. they will get to a scene and uh you know they could be exposed to fentanyl or various things and they start reacting and um so in my mind I started thinking like this would be a great thing to have in the the police vehicles in the EMS trucks uh in in the fire trucks wherever we can put them. I mean, that was kind of where I was thinking that, you know, if if something happened to an officer or or one of our EMS or paramedics that somebody could like see this box and know to go in there and and get it and that way they're they're protected. And then I started thinking about um you know even out at the public works I mean not public works but at the government service center you know after I saw the piles and piles of trash that were coming in from you know that the recycling people are going through. You don't know what's there that they could be exposed to as well. And so that's kind of where I was thinking and when I saw this and just it kind of hit me that we should really try to have these in as many public spaces as we can throughout the community. And then it kind of allows the [clears throat] public to also, you know, become aware with them and and and ask questions, look them up and and and you know, have them wherever we can.

And I appreciate the point of law enforcement especially one of the um this comes this is a direct quote from one of our um advocates who's deployed one box in Wilson County, North Carolina and seen great results is that they've transformed their community from a community dependent on first responders to a community of first responders. So, a specific example is the Nashville Police Department. Uh, one box is an everyday carry and they actually go to their local businesses, honky tonks, venues, etc. And deploy one boxes there. Um, so it's a kind of, you know, give and take program. Yeah. So, like our jails too, like when they're doing intake, you know, as they're as they're, you know, checking the inmates as [clears throat] they're coming in. Another great place for it and stuff like that. So, go ahead.

Yeah. No, those are all great ideas and I appreciate Mr. Cullen bringing this to all of our attention and you being here. Um, I was going to ask where are you seeing it in other communities? So, because it does seem like you want them to be in, you know, with those with our first responders and those people, but you want them like AEDs to be in public venues where people can access hotels right next to

Do you have some examples of places where they're being placed?

Yes. So y'all are already doing a great job envisioning here. So one one thing I say to any community we work with is that y'all are going to know the needs of your community a heck of a lot better than anybody outside of it like myself. So um really the one box is meant to not replicate or or replace anything you already have going on. Meant to kind of amplify and bolster your current recovery and overdose response ecosystem. So um you know we partner with you know public health um you know uh agencies is a is a large you know partner with us um K through 12 and campus education. So we're very proud to u you know every K through2 school in West Virginia is equipped with one box um all of the collegiate campuses. So we also work with University of Clemson Georgia Stanford um there's a kind of long laundry list. I'll make sure everybody has the slides as well so emailed to you so you can go through that um in your own time. It has all of our kind of citations, our data sources, also has testimonials from all of our partners across the country. So, it's very much a multi-industry also um small businesses. So, um you know, trying to destigmatize um overdose so that you know um when people see an eloxin emergency kit, they have the same association as a as a fire extinguisher or an AED where it becomes a less moralized issue. You know, it becomes, oh, this is just a standard public health response. It's keeping the community safe, keeping one another safe. So there's all kinds of different ways that we've had this deployed across the country and with every partner I learned something new and a new kind of strategy for deployment. So we could have a whole twohour conversation about we we we were all I mean we've all been given boxes of of it to have in our car and have it here where but then we're like okay well is it sitting in the heat too long or this or that and those are always and they're expired or whatever. So, you know, if you can kind of have it next to a fire extinguisher or or you know, first aid kit or whatever at a store, I mean that

or or wherever. I mean, that's kind of, you know, it's in a stable environment. It's, you know, and and several people know that it's there.

Yeah. And then it's so turning passiveone storage into an active response system is really our our goal with the device. Um there is no other um like it that has the actual training component technology. It's also some uh partners have done really um you know I mean really brilliant work with turning it into an outcomesbased touch point too so that they are tracking when the lock zone is utilized out in the community uh to better kind of build and bolster the uh the data being collected around real-time overdose response you know because typically overdose response when uh getting all the stakeholders around the table EMS corer's office etc uh it's a lagging indicator so we're typically a year or two behind with any kind of overdose data so one box allows for more kind of real-time touch point um in real time with the folk on the front lines doing the work day in and day out.

Two followups. U actually the second one won't be at all a followup, but the first one um I'm the guy at the restaurant who grabs the box because somebody's down and I'm so panicked that I need that tape one more time before it goes to the five minutes. Can you hit the one minute second time in a row? Well, so thankfully when you pull the tab it will just continuously play the 60-second video. the fiveminute training is a separate button. So,

that's that's critical because somebody's going to grab the box and they're going to panic. They won't feel trained enough and have to hit it again. The second one is um one of our when I was with Appalachian Regional Healthcare, one of our folks was at a convention in New Orleans and this wonderful featured white chili was on the menu. She witnessed a man go down and die because the secret ingredient was peanuts. Will Naron and other drugs save that life?

So unfortunately not. So Noxin is is specifically for folk um who are experiencing opioid specific situations. So but that would require an epip. Oh I know. I should carry mine. [clears throat] Yeah. Hazel would be good. Yeah. So, how do we get it and what's the cost to the county?

Yeah. Yeah. So, the cost per unit for the one box specifically, this is the one box classic, so it's the full emergency kit is $150 per unit. It's meant to be the most competitive price point on the market. So, there are other, you know, Nlloxxone cabinets, Nlloxxone storage, um, you know, products. Um, this is like the only system of its kind. So, uh, these are $150 per unit. We also have something called a one box collocation. So is really just the screen technology here. And what that's meant to do is complement existing, you know, Noxone storage. So let's say you have an aloxxone vending machine out in the community. This can complement that and turn that into a real-time training touch point. Let's [snorts] say you have blessing boxes. You're able to turn those into real-time overdose uh touch points. A hero of [clears throat] mine, Abby Spear, she's an organizer in Portsouth, Ohio. She had actually turned all of our old phone booths into Noxone cabinets. And for this past save life day, we got those on the co

immedately thisely this afternoon. I'm going to be back on to that. But um if you hear anything about spectrum difficulties uh let me know because um I established a good relationship with a couple of their folks at the lower level and uh they were very helpful last week but we got tweaked on it

uh and we need to get back and look at it again. And other than that, uh, let's all try to get out tonight and and accept the honor of being invited by the firefighters, uh, to their Christmas dinner, but, uh, certainly honor them for all that they provide for us. Judge, very brief today. Thank you, Melis. Master Boner, I wanted to congratulate JJ uh, Harris and his group at the Danville County uh, Development Corporation. They received the International Economic Development Council Accredited Economic Development Organization Award. [laughter] Can you say that three times fast?

Say that again. And that's the first in Kentucky. I mean, that's amazing to me. That's an international award. So, I wanted and they've been so helpful to us uh in my district. Uh so, I wanted to make sure he got some accolades for that. Uh the Bull County Public Library will have their third Monday. They have it every month at Junction City City Hall. We have the uh they're having the holiday diamond painting event. And uh each each month we have more and more people there. It's just a really great event. Starts at 6:00, ends at 7:30, and they do some kind of activity. And it's just been a really great thing for our community. Uh the first Monday of the month, we have the history harvest. We're still lagging on that. I really need to get back in on that. and try to pick that back up. I want to thank [clears throat] Bless you. Bless you.

Thanks Roger and his crew for the paving he's done in my district. We've got Colton's Road, Pumpkin Run, and uh Miami Church Road and some others all the way down 300 all the way down there. So, we really appreciate that and for the salt that they always do every year. Junction City has their parade this Saturday, 6:00 p.m. Uh had fun at Danville [snorts] and Perry. Dress warm. Dress warm. It's going to be another cold one, but it's so fast and it's so fun and it's just so good to see all the community out. I love it. Y Pine Knob Trail meeting is December the 15th right now. Tentatively, we know the weather's a little bit bad, so we may we may have to change that up. Yeah. So, uh but but we're still in there on that.

Yeah. Uh Junction City meeting, uh we had a Junction City Matters meeting December 1st. We did a lot of planning uh about the balloon festival and um all the things I've already talked about time capsule and all that making the balloon festival bigger and better. [snorts] Uh the Junction City Council meets Thursday night at 6:00 p.m. Uh December 12th is the trails committee meeting and my big news. Junction City now owns 10 plus acres behind Junction City School

and they want to send congratulations or thank yous to the fiscal court for the $50,000. They use that money to help purchase that money. We are now taking the school system out of control of that park because it's always been the school system. Barry, that's what you always said. So now 10 acres directly, but we really wanted as a group, we wanted the children use that park every day. A lot of people are around here saying they don't ever use it. That is completely false.

They use it every day the weather allows them. And the teachers have all told me they would love the, you know, we looked at all this land away from there. But my goal was to continue to let I know they've got a little tiny thing, but to continue and let them have access for bigger and better. And we want a bigger now. Now we can plan for bigger better park. Good. And we're that we're they wanted me to tell you thank you and we're really excited. It's been a three-year effort for me and I'm just So the the city of Junction owns it or Junction City matters. Junction City. The city city owns. Okay. So, good deal.

Uh, so it's really So, Jim, Mayor Douglas has been all in and he's really been all in about the kids

letting this they use it more than anybody. We want our community to use it, of course, but the kids to continue to get that access. So, he's really been out on that. And the last thing I wanted to mention was uh you know I had a somebody in the community mention the five acres and all our discussion about that and how strongly I felt about letting the farmers be able to have a voice in that whole issue. But he also mentioned you know it's time for us to look up and start thinking about our infrastructure with everybody in the room. And so we do need to start looking at that infrastructure and what everything can take and get the stakeholders involved. So we we've got to look at that and start looking at our budget as in how much are we going to [clears throat] set aside each year to if something fails, you know, how what are we going to do about that? So next budget year, we need to really look at that really hard. if we had something big that we needed to address, you know, what do we want to set aside and look at that?

And judge, on that issue of planning and zoning, I'm certain that uh we agreed with Miss Gray that we'd all be on the distribution list uh with email uh coming to us on the meetings, but uh I'm going tomorrow and did not get a notification. So, I hope that she'll soon. I haven't received anything, but I was going to follow up with her if I didn't. I would have missed that meeting if somebody had an alert. I had an email that said PZC. It says go in here and I wonder is that what in the world that is? I don't know. I don't know. I was going to ask her before I got.org website. So, it's a real website. So, it might that might be what it is. I think that's what it is, but I'm

afraid to open it and be I didn't know how. Well, I wanted to call and get that. We need something just very direct because PZC agenda uh group. Yeah, I think that's it. Okay. Well, then that's but we needed very it's very clear. You know, I have no idea how to open that thing and I was reluctant to. Okay. All I've got I can talk to her about that and see. But yeah, if that's how if that's how they send it out, then I'm not sure. Um we I'll call I can talk to her. Yeah, I was say I'll call her. Ask her if that's from her. We can spread it around. Okay. I just wanted to say that land is a Christmas present to our little community. Congratulations.

Great. What's the uh big things can happen. Roads like he's going to have to put in a road. There's got It's going to be a longterm thing, but at least we've got a starting point. You got to start somewhere. Oh, yeah. And but he's got a he's got a plan. So good. So maybe we can work with Roger to see what we could do with him. Yeah. Advise or help or whatever. And then apply for some grants for equipment. Absolutely. Playground equipment. Yeah, we can do it. That'd be fantastic. Great. It's a I'm happy to hear that. I am too. I'm happy to hear that. It's been a long struggle. Yeah. Good deal. Thank you. All right. Thank you, Master Bo. John said he did a good job [laughter] at

times. He says, [laughter] "Mister Harmon, that's good news. Good news about the park." Yep. Now we don't have to worry about a contract. Exactly. That's it. Other words, they can pull at any time. Yep. You're right. They can anytime they want to add to the school. Mhm. Y'all got to go roll off. But that's actually the beauty for Junction, too, is Yeah. is that school is growing. The school is performing. 400 and some students. Yeah. But their performance is is, you know, something that you really want to acknowledge, too. Yeah. And to be able to give them some of that, I guess, giving them that park back when whenever and them to be able to expand that school and really new and improved park. Yeah.

New and improved. New improved park, but a new and improved school. Absolutely. The two things will just complement each other. Yep. Very good, Master Harmon. Well, last Sunday morning, got up, blessing.

Headed to church and looking forward to the day. It's going to be good. And uh got there about 10:00. That's late, man. I never get to church for Sunday school at 10:00. I always get there quarter till at least 10 till no later. And the wife was in a rush. Had to make her pit stop. And I said, "Go on, go on. I'll get there." And I [clears throat] walked up through there. And I got up there and saw Tommy Mcgur. See him every morning first thing. He's a greeter.

Tommy, how you doing? And all that standing there talking and all of a sudden the world turned upside down. I ended up on the concrete floor that's tiled and had that eye. I think no, it's this [laughter] been hidden so many times. You know, you don't remember. [laughter]

And uh had hit my shoulder real bad. It hyperextended my head landed on it, which that was a boner right there. I mean, that that head is going to win. Daddy always said it's hard. And end up going to Lexon. In fact, she took me over there. We checked in. They did X-ray and had two breaks in the shoulder. And u it doesn't require surgery. They they put this brace on me and this this is what I wear till I go back in two weeks. Yeah.

And they'll look at it, make sure it's fusing and going together and all that. It's still sore. Didn't sleep for four days nights. No naps, nothing. I mean, it just pain and I took an extra strength Tylenol and that was it. Yeah. one cuz my body does not take pain pills. I mean, it's like drinking a gallon of white lightning, Tom. You know how you used to be.

But [clears throat] anyway, I'm on the recovery mode and it's so [clears throat] much fun to get over it. Y'all just wait. You're going to get there. You live long enough. You scared me. [laughter] But going to make it. I'm still here. I got Thank goodness. I got a file. Ain't filed yet. Well, get in there. I'll you January the 9th. [laughter] But I am going to be running.

Well, we are happy to [clears throat] hear that. And we are sad to hear that you've broken some bones, but I've seen 20 years of physical court work with two at a time when we had Mercy County and this by far is one of the best. Well, the way that you just threw Pacy under the bus, I hate to see you tomorrow. [laughter] You are one brave man. [laughter] You better hope this tape doesn't make it very far. LET'S LET'S SPEED THIS. LET'S SPEED THIS ALONG cuz she [laughter] put me on uh on on Barry Junior and he has TO USE THE BATHROOM.

LET'S TRY TO GET OUT of here quick. [laughter] Talking about Patty's pit stop. You know what I said? No problem. NO PROBLEM. [laughter] WELL, WE'RE GLAD you weren't hurt any worse, Master Harmon. We all know Patty got ammo in her body. [laughter] Oh goodness. Thank you. It's that's all you have. I'm good. Okay. Thank you. I'm glad he's here. Yeah, me too. Measure C.

Uh EMS committee met this morning. Uh was Jamie, myself, and several uh people from our EMS group. Uh Tim, Mike, Mo, uh crisis response unit. Um and uh we just appreciate them. You know, they're fully invested in making sure that we have all the information and everything that's going on. They're great advocates for their people, too. So, uh, Mark Smith led off, uh, the meeting with crisis team update, uh, had a lot of good useful information. Terry on, uh, community outreach. Uh, Mo gave us an excellent, um, uh, agenda filled, uh, sheet with, uh, all the education stuff that's going on. They're [clears throat] doing some joint training with Danville Fire right now, which is great. Uh, Tim gave us an update on uh, EMS operations, truck status, and personnel. Um, uh, Mike told us that, uh, they will be advertising. They've got the two trucks in that we just got, um, they're over at Fred Kane right now and and they're going to get striped soon. Um, should [clears throat] just probably take a few weeks hopefully. Uh, but they'll be coming in to, uh, bid for more another truck for, uh, 2027 delivery date. So, um, runs this month. uh November I should say we're down slightly there 585

not by much [laughter] no you know and last month was like 623 but [clears throat] you know about a year ago 585 was the high so uh you know they're still uh running all cylinders even when they have a slower month um to say so uh but that's the uh that was the EMS committee and I'll submit that as a motion to approve second okay I have a motion by Cullen second by Gay Any discussion? All those in favor signify by saying I. Any opposed? Name. Motion carries. Is that all you have? That's all I got. Brave the weather and this weekend. There's a lot going on Saturday, but I plan on being over at Junction City.

Yeah. Uh got to make sure all of our cities feel the love. That's right. Jason had his family Saturday night on the Danville float and throwing [clears throat] out candy. Jamie was showing Simon how to throw underhand injuries and I had my teeny tiny little tutu rows. I thought I was buying the bigger. They were this little. I thought [laughter] they were the tiniest. So I got a little extra to put in there that looked really bad. I'm like, "Oh, it was a fun fun time. Let us know where to meet." Right. So Saturday night we meet at the park. Uh lineup starts at 5. Pray starts at 6. So, come anytime before 6:00 and you'll be good to go. Perfect. All right, that's your game.

Yes. So, uh I've got several to report on. Had that committee meeting this morning. Um solid waste committee met on the 12 I mean on 122, so the 2nd of this month. And u I want to thank Matt Harmon. He he called me on Sunday evening concerned about missing the meeting from the ER. Oh, [laughter] and I was like, "What in the world are you doing?" So, I appreciate him

still being concerned about his uh fiscal court magistrate duties even from the ER. Um but so he did attend the meeting um over the phone and so we met myself, Angie, manager [snorts] Harmon on the phone. We had a just had some follow-up discussion from the community recycling forum that was held at RACC. And one of the things we talked about is the need to um meet with the with the city to continue to discuss how we um best move forward with the curbside recycling and and how we work to get clean materials um from that process through our city mainly. in this in this case, you know, everybody else needs to continue to bring them to the uh recycling [snorts] center as everybody can at this point in time because there is still concern about the fact that people are not um putting clean materials into the recycling can. So, that's still a work in progress that's u that's ongoing. And so Masterard Harmon and myself and Angie are going to probably work to set up a a time to get together with the city and the judge hopefully can join us for that as well to to meet on how we we work on that.

Yeah. Going forward. Then we talked about the air burner and we're still waiting on the permit from the state.

Yes. And then in that process that we would um also set up a time once we get the permit um we'll set up a time for the company to come back and and demonstrate the equipment for the fiscal court and see you know learn on you know how that is supposed to do what it's supposed to do um cleanly. So that still is a work in progress as well. Angie gave us an update on the Fred Kain building and just in her area of the building and and the fact, you know, there's still a lot of work to be done there, but that it's moving along and she's obviously real excited about the opportunities

that that provides. And I continue to ask and remind her about the I would like to see us um make sure to include [clears throat] a place for u um construction waste to be gathered and uh you know but for a fee it would have to be weighed

and gathered and and be able to be disposed of that way. I think it would be a benefit [snorts] to our um especially smaller uh construction people in this community that currently have to spend a lot of time and energy to dispose of their waste and it could help keep them on the job more efficiently doing their thing. So that still is being something been looked at. And then she mentioned that on at our December 22nd meeting, a young man, John Paul Oliver from DCA, who's a Boy Scout working on an Eagle Scout project that's been working with her, will be at our meeting to uh to present. So looking forward to seeing his presentation. So that's the solid waste committee report. I'll submit that.

Okay. So, I've got a motion by Master Gay. Is there a second? I'll second. Second by Maser Ellis. Any discussion on the report? If Judge,

literally many, many years ago, when I put in a wood stove for the safety of my home, [clears throat] they said never burn red uh wet wood. um because of the serious nature of the hydrocarbons and everything else the creassote and I don't want to surprise anybody. So, I would hope that before these folks show up on how we burn efficiently without problems, uh, that question will be asked because my impression from what I learned years ago is we're going to have to put the wood under undercover after it's dry or we're going to have the same problems that Paul and I are concerned with uh with with wood burners. So, so nobody's surprised. I think we ought to know uh what they have to say about uh creassote hydrocarbons, [clears throat] anything else being out in the air when you're trying to burn wood that right now everything we've got is exposed.

Okay. Thank you. All right. Then I also wanted to report on let's vote on this. Okay. Sorry. [laughter] All those in favor signify by saying I.

Any oppose? Nay. Motion carries. and the Martin Luther King committee that I serve on, which is a city committee, um met last night and the county has uh been great to help um support and fund this and partnership with the city. So, I appreciate that. Um, so the event is January 19th and a couple of things though that are um kind of happening soon and Julie I mentioned to her I think she's going to help share this over her fa over our fiscal court Facebook page. Um but uh this coming Saturday the 13th at 2:00 um we're asking anybody that would like to participate in the community choir which will perform two songs at the event. Um it's at Jenny Rogers Community Center at 2:00 and uh Mr. Bobby Harris has agreed to um direct the community choir. So there we hope to that they can hopefully get together and and have two or three um different practices leading up to the event. Uh so we are this is a partnership this event between the city county and center college again this year and uh so the event will be January 19th. The the plan at this point in time is to gather at city hall at 11:15. The march will start at 11:30 and proceed to the Norton Center. And from there, um, the program will occur [snorts] and Leon Williams is going to be the keynote speaker this year. So, we have a we'll have a youth uh joint choir between our local um schools and then we'll have the adult

community choir and then u we also have some um um awards and I want to talk about that in just a second. But also one of the things that's an exciting addition this year is the city and center are going to partner in providing a meal for the community at no charge in the dining hall after the event. So approximately 1 1:15ish um we'll all move to the uh Norton I mean to the uh cow and dining hall and and enjoy a free um break bread together basically as a community.

Sounds good.

And so we're excited about that. There also is um we started this last year and there's a Danville Bull County spirit of Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. Award and this will also try to get on our Facebook page, but the Danville County Spirit of Martin Luther King Jr. Award was established in 24 [snorts] to recognize and honor I got to blow this up a little bit here. Oh, excuse me. And honor residents of Danville Bull County who embody the ideals and legacy of Dr. King through their commitment to volunteerism, social justice, and community service. The intent of the award is to honor those unsung heroes who have gone above and beyond in their service to Dam and Bo County. The award is presented annually by the Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. committee during the communitywide Martin Luther King Day celebration. The 24 recipients were Glow Lewis and Clay Taylor. And so nominations and and on the post you'll be able to see where to send these, but nominations are due by Monday, December 22nd of this year. So, if you know of anybody that's um that you think would be a good u nominee for that, please pass that along. And what we're going to do is this year, Center College also issues some uh awards within their college community. And so, but what we're going to do is have the the college um staff review and evaluate the nominees from the community and have the community um members on the committee review and

award the center college u nominees so we can kind of take out any bias that may be involved. But so those are that's the uh from that committee and I would say that like we did last year the the thing that um I'm hoping that the fiscal court will um agree and and accept this recommendation again this year is last year the the court bought the 400 long sleeve t-shirts and uh and we're thinking I'll get a better number here soon. We're working on getting our price number, but we're thinking that'll be somewhere along [snorts] the lines of $3,500.

Okay. And we have some money in the budget. Is that for Martin Luther King event? Yes. No, I don't remember. I think in the past we've built that into our sponsorship money that we've done for various things that we've sponsored and that's fine. And that would be how we would want to Okay. Hopefully find it in that pot. Okay. Um, and then I also want to thank uh the organizers of the Christmas event downtown and and our people who put the float together. It's amazing. And yes,

and unfortunately I have a prior commitment and won't be able to make the junction city, but I'm sure it'll be another great evening. I did mention to the judge that if possible, it'd be great if we can all coordinate and and be by the float as a group uh at the countywide Christmas party. Yeah. Because there may be a jolly old elf there. There might be that might be able to have our our with the float. Is that tomorrow? No, that's the 18th. 18th. Next Thursday. And then hopefully somebody can send out a list of all the holiday Christmas events that are coming up cuz it's a lot coming in soon. We'll work on that. We'll work on that starting tonight, I guess.

Yeah. And I just want to say in reference to the lunch, um [snorts] the little elves in my office uh have been contacting people and the lunch for the county uh with the courthouse, whole courthouse and our other county departments has all been paid for by donations. So don't look so surprised, Mr. Kella. [laughter]

What's it going to cost me? Yes. So, I thought that was great. They they've reached out and and talked to people, you know, that we uh do business with or that we just support the the county employees and support the county. And so, all the food, the drinks, the desserts, everything have been donated. [snorts] That's all I have. Okay. Thank you. Uh county train. What is that?

Yes. Um, I've been working on having my own county attorney website. So, getting everything together for my office. I'm excited to have that. It would just be a better resource to help people who need to know about Casey's Law and Marcy's Law and also easier access to online fillable forms. So, [clears throat] hopefully it'll be up at the end of 2025 or early. U 2026. Also, it was great to see Bull County here today

celebrating the championship, one of [clears throat] the kids, Jason Crow or Jax Crow. His dad and I are best friends from Tomkinsville and run. Jen Smith, he's best. Unbelievable. Jen Yeah. Heel or what? He's the He used to hang out in my like basement with my daughter and her friends like last year. I'm like, how's that guy going to be the big running back for next year? I'm bigger than he is. But like, looks like he's bulked up and he had an awesome year. So, he did. That was really neat. I want would say though that as they got recognized, I think that you should work out with him. Bulked up, too.

I would ask that we recognize our B County girls soccer team because they won the 2A state championship back in the fall. We have Miss uh soccer Taylor. She got crowned Miss Soccer. That's like Mr. Football. I know. That's awesome. And uh our coach got his 400th win. [snorts] So I would just ask if sometime in the near future. Can you arrange that? Yeah. Okay. If you can arrange that and let me know, uh we can do that either at our next meeting or we can do it first meeting in January. Okay. Probably in January because I bet school will be out at our 22nd. Oh, as our next meeting the 22nd. Yeah, they'll be out of school. Friday. Friday before. Is that right? Friday before.

Mhm. It's Monday. It's Monday. No, I'm talking about when they're out of school. Oh, I think it's Friday before. 19. Yeah. All right. [clears throat] Okay. I just think that would be cool to recognize it. Well, if you can get that done uh for the first meeting in January, let me know. Then we'll get it on the agenda. That'd be great. That would be awesome. That would be great. Yeah. And that's it. Judge, that reminds me and and I suppose that might get in the way of the quick recall team. Uh if they can't pull together after they're already out out of school on Friday, uh but I'm talking to their sponsors. So if they can't come in December, do it first meeting in January. Very good. Yeah. Just just need to let me know so we can get it on the bell ring. Um I signed up December 20th.

December. Make sure I get that. I was going to make sure before I had to get a signup sheet for people to ring the Salvation Army bell. So, people that signed up, I will send you a text a couple days beforehand just to remind you. Well, you mind go ahead and sending me one soon because [laughter] I'm I'm trying to sign up for another one. I just don't want Okay. Yeah, definitely. I I have the the list in my office. Okay. So, I'll take a picture of it and send it to you. Okay. Thank you. Did you get a KO stocking cap? I didn't. I give you one. Oh, [laughter] I should have you talking about the black ones? Yeah. Okay, I did. Yeah, I do have that. You might need it. I know, right? Yeah, exactly. Okay, Jaylen, do you have anything?

Um, just a couple things. I spoke to Frankfurt last week about the bike park and um any environmental concerns. And the gentleman I talked to said for what we're trying to do on the phase one, he didn't see any need for a permit, unless we're going to disturb the earth of the landfill, then they you can do it. You just need to get a plan approved. So for phase one, Andrew will be doing that outer loop trail and so there's no um disturbing of the landfill. So he saw no need for any kind of permitting. Um, Fred [snorts] Kaine, I don't know if I reported at the last meeting that we did get a structural report that everything's good uh on the roof, so we can proceed on with that. And I think they're working on recycling, so things are clicking into place there. And, uh, pickle ball, we are um met with the pickle ball committee. I did a Zoom last week and, uh, I think I think it was a good meeting. Thanks to Magistrate Coen for suggesting that. Um, so I feel like the planning for pickle ball is is coming together. So the rest of it I'll just nothing urgent in the sake of time. Okay. Um, I've got just a few things. I just want to reiterate. Uh, today at 2 o'clock is America's 250th meeting. If you can come, come. Uh, tomorrow is the city county VFW lunchon and that will be at the showroom from 11 to 1. All city and county employees uh are invited to attend. Uh the junction city parade is Saturday night. Um the courthouse uh county state employees uh lunchon will be next Thursday 12:18. [snorts] Uh just remember that we have changed the next fiscal court meeting.

We're at 12:18 uh showroom showroom again and then 12:22 will be our next fiscal court meeting. So, just want to remind everybody of that. Remember that. [clears throat] I would be remiss if I did not wish my brother a happy birthday today. Chad Pal, today's his birthday. Uh, I won't tell you how old he is, but he's in his last year of his 40s. So, you all can figure that out. [laughter] 30s, 40s,

and he is a huge uh Rebel fan. He he uh is always there on the sidelines. He's throwing the ball in and out to the team. And so, uh he's he's there for every game. And I know um he missed being here this morning cuz I told him they were coming and he ought to come. But uh we always adjourn in uh memory of someone. But today I would like to ask that we adjourn in honor of someone. My mother-in-law Glattus Bottom birthday is Saturday and she is going to be 90 years old. And so I just thought it would be neat if we could adjourn in honor of her 90th birthday today. So whoever makes that motion,

wait, we going to executive [clears throat] session. We are. Okay. But I'm just saying when we get ready to journal. I'm just getting ahead of, you know, [laughter] making sure I got everything announced.

Uh, so yes. Now, I would like a motion to go into executive session pursuant to KRS61810, paragraph 1, paragraph B, deliberations on the future acquisition or sale of real property property by a public agency, but only when publicity would be likely to affect the value of a specific piece of property or to be acquired for public safe use or sold by a public agency. I would also like to uh reference KRS uh 62810 paragraph 1 paragraph F uh for personnel issues. And I just lost mine. There it is. Okay. Um for discussions which might lead to the appointment, discipline or dismissal of an individual employee, member or student without restricting that employees members. Like we have a motion to go into executive session. Moder. Is there a second?

Second. Arman, [laughter] the one armed man. The onearmed man. All those in saying I. Any oppose? Nay. Let's take a few minutes.

problem tonight because I didn't get to go at noon. This is from two days ago it feels like. That's okay. Okay, we are live. Um, need a motion to return to regular session. So moved. No taken. Measure Gay. Second by No action was taken. Maser Cullen. No action taken. All those in favor. Any opposed? Motion carries. We're back in regular session. Um, okay. I think we're ready to adjourn. I move we adjourn in honor of Glattus Bottom. Yes. All right. Her celebration of her 90th birthday party.

Thank you, Maser Gay. Second, Measure Boden. All those in favor signify by saying I. Any oppose? Name. Motion carries. Thank you all. See you on the 22nd. Jamie, did your name for