Planning Board - Regular Meeting

today. I'll bring the meeting to order. I'm Don Burby from 135 River Road. Adam Sandall, 9 Edward Drive. Harry McIn, community development director. Jess Duke, 50 Brown Hill Road. Davis, 9 Wheeler Road. Michael Lton Acer Drive. Jonathan Trangelo, 5 Woodier Drive. Sandy Crystal, one Shore View Drive. Chris Nelopoulos, select board represing secretary. All right. Um, we set off a minor modification presentations. Uh, we have HLF South LLC. Minor modification of site plan for ground level office trailer for auctions at the developed site located at 16 Evolution Drive. Do you want to just clarify who's voting tonight before we get to one? Yes. Need one alternate. One alternate. You're up, Jess. Just have a seat. How you doing? Hi, I'm Mike Ke from Capony, uh, facility manager. I'm Dave Canon from Capone. Tell everyone what you want to do. Oh, all right. Yeah. Um, we're looking to install a um a United Rental uh ground ground level trailer for auction. Uh, we hold an auction every other Saturday. Um um it's a closed bid auction. So we have people we u they'll come up typically probably like Friday afternoons and Saturday mornings. Um our auction um right now we hold it at 720 um in both and we're going to move it up

to we're looking to move it up to 16 evolution drive. Um it's a ground trailer. Um it's 8 foot wide by um 40 foot long. It's an office trailer. It's like a a container. Really? Yeah. It's a basic It looks like a container. So contains an office space and then there's less room facilities as well. Yeah. And I think that must go into a tank or something. on a holding table is it for the correct. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's a little nicer than a porta potty. Exactly. Yes. And I'll probably have a porta potty up there too just for just in case. Um what do we need to So this is just a minor modification. Um it's for everyone's reference. It's at the end of Evolution Drive. It's a site where they use for storing vehicles. Yeah, we certainly store vehicles there. It's our old parking lot. Big parking lot. Um, and so it's a pretty minor change. So we told them just draw it up. Show us where you're going to put it, what's what it's going to be. So on this plan, um, you can see this is the trailer here. They showed us where the tanks are going to be. Um, I show it was kind of a joke. I was like, well, show us where the cars are going to park. There you go. a lot of parking spots, but they did show us which ones are going to be used for the auctions staff and visitors and then which ones would be used for the auction um auction vehicles. Um just to kind of show how the site would be laid out and that there's still plenty of room. And these auctions are like to dealers, right? Other small Yeah, it's bond to dealers only. It's definitely it's a sealed bid. So it's not like we have, you know, 100 people show up at one setting. So they can they can come and view our cars. um you know like on a Thursday or Friday but generally we

typically don't have more than a handful there at any given point. Okay. Yeah. And then there would be some uh you know the vehicles would be picked up after they purchased the vehicles. And um previously a a building has been approved there with the use of selling cars. So the use has already been approved for the site. Um this is just kind of a a small change for for right now. Um, so when you say you do the auctions now, every other Saturday. No. Where? 720. 7:20. Route 3A. Route 3A. Route 3A. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Um, and so it's a minor modification. So, you don't need to hold a public hearing. Um, just need to accept it as complete, consider regional impact, and see if there's any conditions you need to attach to it. I'll make any questions. I'll make a motion to accept as complete. I'll second. All in favor? I I'll make a motion that it does not um have regional impact. I'll second that. All in favor? I um are there any conditions we should be aware of? I can't really anything. Okay. As far as waivers go, if you want to grant one big waiver for most of the site plan requirements for due to the fact that this is just a minor modification. I mean obviously we didn't ask them to reduce storm water calcs or any of those things that you would see in a a full site plan application. This is putting on. So if somebody wanted to make a motion to offer a waiver to the site plan requirements and just make one big general one that would cover make a

motion to offer waiver to site plan requirement. I'll second there approval next motion to approve a minor site modification. That's my motion. I'll second I didn't hear that. I'm sorry. Motion to approve as a minor site plan modification. Thank you. Seconded by Sandy Crystal. All those in favor. Okay. Thank you very much. Thank you for your time. So findings of fact there wasn't major changes from the original plan of use. And who voted on? Did I have to? Um I think that's good. just that minor. I'll second. All right. All those favor findings back. Jonathan made a motion and a second. He's getting out in seven minutes. A new record. All right. Moving on to conceptual constitution for tele products, Inc. conceptual consultation for industrial building edition located at 170 River Road. Good evening. Good evening. My name is Bob Keller. I obviously happen to uh live in town at 28 Rocky Point Drive. Been here since uh 7172. Been involved in a lot of town activities over period of time. But once you get over 80 years old, you kind of take a step back, let the younger folk take care of it. The uh the reason I'm coming before you because uh this was kind of my pet project when I graduated from college in 1965 after my dad brought the uh bought the property. And this property

essentially has been essentially pretty well fully developed in uh 40 to 60 years ago. Nothing essentially nothing from a structural point of view has changed uh since 1985. All the buildings uh I was involved in were built uh uh under my toutelage uh during that time frame. And what we have now is uh that we have on in we're looking to do it is to uh build a relative in my mind a small warehouse unheated. Uh and it's primarily to to store aluminum extrusions. And the reason we need the additional space at this point in time is because we've uh we've expanded our product line and it's going to require a whole series of new extrusions and therefore you need a place to put them under cover. So the building will be sprinkled. Uh it will not be heated and there'll be no no amenities. Uh there is a pit inside. So when the uh the the extrusion trucks come in from Georgia and Tennessee, we unload them inside. There'll be a big crane overhead crane uh depicts, you know, take the top off the roof and uh you uh utilize the crane to uh unload the trailer and then put them into the racks. And what I'm basically the reason to do this, you know, it's 78 by 120, a little over 9,000 square ft. uh you know I think uh if on the property we have uh in the vicinity of 125,000 square feet of buildings you know in different different facilities they house different uh family operations uh and uh you know it's a small and it's what is it roughly somewhere between 19 and 20 acres and and the the amount of uh

pavement uh is uh relatively small I had it calcul calcated out. It may be in the vicinity of 135,000 square ft. The building's 125,000 ft. You have roughly 800,000 square ft of surface area. So, you don't come close to the 80% rule. And uh you know, I say the the site has been totally uh uh built out except for this one uh small addition. And so I was looking for to get a waiver on uh all the other things you got to go through because it's a it's a existing site been in been in existence for probably more than most of you people weren't born 60 years ago. Yeah. So for a little context of why he came in for a conceptual consultation is the site's a little unusual in that it was developed before there was site plan review. Um so it's a modification but there is no site plan to modify. Um and the fact that you know the site's fully developed. There were never any storm water calculations done. There's no drainage design. Um he does have some plans that have been um drawn up. They're not um official survey plans. So, he was trying to get a sense from the board of what exactly you want to require of him for this um because it's kind of an unusual situation. Can you can you pull up the plan just so I understand what building it's in the kind of bottom right corner? It's the opposite corner from the entrance. You see the stud? Yeah. Yeah. And the piece of property adjacent to that is another piece of property we own, roughly 25 another 25 acres that backs into that piece of property that takes us out to uh Route 3A. And the

trucks come in all from Yeah. Uh from River Road. Okay. Yeah. And that overhead crane's just going to feed from that in that one uh in the the addition there uh the building 78 by there'll be a overhead uh crane built in that that spans across the uh the full 78 foot uh thing so that it can just move around and be able to maneuver over the uh the trucks and unload them properly and safely. Right now we unload outside on a thing and you know obviously in the winter and stuff like that even when it's bad weather it's it's probably not the best thing to do. So what we did it we decided we'd build to build it inside so that no matter what the weather conditions are uh you know it's going to be a much safer operation and right now you do it with a forklift too which is you know can be a little a little challenging at times. So, is that under the building now paved where where you're planning on? No, there's no paving. No additional paving. No, no, but where the building is, was that going what's there now? What's the ground? Oh, it it it's just uh regular ground trees and stuff. Okay. Yeah. So, it is an additional impervious. Yeah. Yeah. So, the question is, what do you want to see from him? Are you comfortable with a plan like this? Do you want more? I mean, I've seen the site. I've actually passed cut through to watch my Yeah. work. And um this is this back corner, you know. So, I I I don't think there's a drainage issues because everything's out, you know, it's the far corner from the road. Uh and it's his property still on the other side. I think that kind of goes up from there too, right? As a Yeah, it goes up slightly. I think that's right. Yeah.

And going going out from that building is pretty flat going all the way over and if you kind kind of go to the left and it goes it drops off way down to the river, you know, it drops about 75 ft because we're like on a little plateau. So when this is so there's not going to be access out of the back side of the building. you bring any the the only access is through the rear of the building. The trucks come along and they back into there and and they back into the inside pit and and unload. I thought I had another prince. I I made my guys So, is it on the on the long end of the building that's that the accesses? Yeah. Yes. Right. Exactly. Sorry. New building is going to the new addition is down here. Yeah. Yeah. It's 78 foot wide, 120 ft long. And that's right. They that you will have to build new pavements along right now. Uh once you get uh to the edge of the the other buildings, uh everything is is is just a gravel road. And that's the way it's been for 40 years. We have no no plans to do it. The trucks come in. It's It's all going to stay gravel. It's always going to stay gravel. Yeah. Are there wetlands out there at all? No. No. Sand. Sand. Lots and lots of sand. Yeah. In mo. So G until you hit rock. If we want to make a motion to allow him uh few additional requirements, what would that motion look like? So it doesn't necessarily have to be a motion. You can't actually make any binding decisions in the conceptual consultation. It's just for you to give him some direction and then next month he'll come back with an I'm already signed up for the next meeting. Okay. So, you know, adjust to that. No, I

would like to see a little bit, you know, just where the gravel is going to be, you know, where you're backing in just so there's something that here's how the trucks run. Could Could we I know Don's been there, but I guess I would sort of like to take a look. So I don't know whether we want to have a sitewalk to just be a bad idea. Sure. Well, we can make those arrangements. That's Yeah, absolutely. Yep. I was just trying I mean with this plan I mean this would be the only extra thing that would be nice is to see where travel area is. Okay. What's going to be? Yep. Oh yeah. I I can easily just add Yeah. because I can see if it in the building I can show you where the the path where the uh where the trucks come in and and go around. Yeah. But it would be uh obviously uh it'd be you'd be fully satisfied obviously if people took a look at it because it it it's right there be right right at you. Um we did have a look at it with staff. Um fired was just concerned about spr sprinklers, but he said that it's going to be sprinklered. So that takes care of that concern. We we've had a a building sprinkle since day one. We had our own pond, a million a million gallons. And then so we got on to town water. Then we dis decommissioned that pond and used town water. Better insurance rates and you keep all your smell inside. Very good now. Yeah. Let's move to bow which I'm right up the street. It used to not be so good but no issues for a long time now. And and then of course the the building itself uh will give the plans the it's a steel building typical by uh uh one of the standard steel building manufacturer that be designed to whatever the design loads are. It has to be signed off by the town

engineer. So I think I've already gave him a rough plan but yeah. Yeah. Which has to build inspectable. So if if you if you go and take a peek at the property, that should answer that question. So I you know I I could add a little more to the drawing. I just want to I have to order the building because you know tariffs and everything to steal prices against everything's like it it would just so the town actually has some record too of where your travel area is. That's a that's a reasonable request. Absolutely. Not a problem. I I can get that to you, you know, within a few days. Anybody else have any So, sitewalk um next meeting. You might have y at least one other one that you want to schedule, too. So, I don't know if you want to do it together or separate. Um I'm guessing for um the the truck sign. Yep. Um May 10th. Yeah. So the next meeting is May 15th. So do you want to do a Saturday or or an evening now that we have daylight? Yeah, it is daylight. Oh, yeah. Okay. It's still light out now. That works. So you're going to do it the during the work uh the work day. Uh, no. It would be after work or the end of the work day. If we end up um doing the um maple syrup one there, we'll um probably go there for 5:30. Don't look at me. I don't usually come on 15th. 5:30 on the Are we going to try to do both or Yeah. I don't Yeah. I don't know what you think. That might that might be a lot because aren't they kind of larger sites? the other the

other ones and the other one's not developed. So, I mean, I don't think I don't think this one won't take one. Yeah, I think we could do this one before the meeting, but I don't I don't know. We'll plan for this. Let's just plan for this one for six. Yeah, six. Sure. 6 o'clock on the 15th. Does that work for you? Say again. 6 o'clock on May 15th. And then the meeting is because there's a couple gates I have to unlock to get in because, you know, some people go in and we've had stuff stolen and stuff like that. So don't want to have to leap over the fence. Yeah. Perfect. So May 15. Will that work for you though? On on the on the 15th and then the meeting will be here at 7 after. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It'll only take five minutes. It's it's you know three minutes to walk around to see everything because you know the land is essentially cleared where we're going to put that building. So Okay. Great. All right. Well, thank you very much. Thank you. Thank you. You're all set. You're allowed to leave now. You are dismissed. Thank you. You're dismissed. Thank you. All right. All right. Now we get into our public hearings. We got application number 401-25. I had that one pretty good. Waiting for it. Or bore family trust conditional use permit application for proposed 56 by30 detached burn including a 757 square foot dwelling unit with 544 square ft of habitable area located at 78 Boulevard. I'm Fran Choski. I knew that was. So, we're building a a

barn, a garage, ADU, and we're replacing a shed row that was approximately 30 by 50 ft. So, we're tearing that down and putting up this hobby workshop garage with a with an in-law apartment. Yes, an in-law apartment. Um, really the only reason they're here is because of the AD, right? Because it's a detached ad. Detached. Exactly. [Music] This is what the lot looks like. They already have two driveways. So, this is the house and then uh the green roof. Is that the barn you're taking down? Yes. The barn that's not there anymore. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. We got the Okay. And so that's the same approximate location where the ADU would go. Yeah. And I can show you. Um, but it meets the the size requirements and all of the other requirements. The only reason they're here is because it's detached. Um, so this is what it's going to look like. I think it looks quite beautiful. Thank you. Lots of windows. It looks like like a barn that kind of belongs on a historic property. Yeah. Um, it includes a overhang for an RV storage. Yes. Side. And then the back is the apartment.

And then it's downstairs. Where's the the front is all open. And so just the back. Yeah. So just the the back part of it is the apartment. So we have to accept it as complete. So, I'll make a motion to accept application number 401-25 family press. I know ski as complete. I'll second. All bear. I Okay, we've accepted it. Accept. Um I'll make a motion that there's no regional impact. I'll second. All those in favor? Hi. Does anybody else have any questions about that? So, you'll be it's not done yet. Um um we're just getting started. Um so, you have to consider the conditional use permit criteria. Um and 12.0 five sounds right. And there's letter included in your packet um that [Music] explains how So the the criteria are that there's specific authorizations for the use and the table of use regulations which there are um wrong um that it will comply with all the requirements of the article. So it will not purely endanger the public health or safety. It'll be compatible with the neighborhood and with adjoining or budding uses. It will not have a substantial adverse impact on highway or pedestrian safety and it will not have a substantial adverse impact on natural

resources and it'll be adequately serviced by necessary public utilities and community facilities etc. So those are the criteria you're weighing against. So, is the um for a septic approval, is that something you've gotten already? Okay. From the state. Yes. Okay. So, on its own septic system, it does. Yeah. Yeah. Our other one doesn't even have a year on it. The house was built in 1850. We don't have any information on that one. So, we had to do a whole new one. And you're able to use the same well. Yes. Yes, we are. Is there already is there already electrical and other utilities out out there? You're going to have to run. Well, there was electrical out there. It was just continued to take off the barn. But yeah, we're going to upgrade the electrical to 200. Yeah. So, we're basically running it new even though there was lines out there before and water lines before. We're sort of like redoing the whole thing coming from our house now to the barn. Um, you like all underground? Yes. Yes. All underground and conduit. Yep. No concerns from staff. So, is there is there a public hearing? Yes. All right. I will open this up to the public if anybody has any questions, comments, concerns. Seeing none, I will close the public hearing. Anything else we need to do? I think you're ready for a motion.

Why not? Great job. Okay. Um, I'll make a motion to accept. Oh, approve. Approve. Approve. Application number 401-25 or Jacowski or Chakowski Bore Family Trust. I'll second. All those in favor. I posted. There you go. Good luck at the Looks great. Thank you. Thank you very much. I will say my garage is only 30 by 52. So you can compete over the garage mahal findings of fact of the garage. That's right. Um so we need findings of facts before we get too far along. So I'll make a motion that the findings of fact was that uh the use will not materally endanger the public health or safety. We don't have to list them all. You can just say about the criteria and 12. It meets the rest of the criteria per the 12.05 5 um zoning ordinance. If you want to add anything additional about aesthetics that it it's appropriate for the historic nature of the property. Sounds good. It's aesthetically pleasing, well designed. So moved. I'll second that. Who was the motion? I Jonathan made the motion. Did I? Someone did throw in your toys. All those in favor? Here we go. All right, moving right along. It's 3:15. All right. Application 402-25. from Eversource Energy Wetland Protection Conditional use permit for

7,09 square ft of wetland buffer impact to access and replace core structure along the 30 334G transmission line coral. Good evening. Good evening. Good evening. I think we're going to slow it down a little. We've been running at an average of nine minutes, guys. Can't guarantee you that one. Um I I know you got a lot of paper. I noticed you also have a lot of paper. So does it We always bring plans just because we have 11 by 17. Yeah. So we don't get colored ones. So sometimes if you guys want colored ones may have done the ground. Um, and those are the full CP applications. Yeah. But, um, I would say for the future, you don't really have to print the full thing to I swear somebody did print them for a conservation commission meeting. So, we're just recycling. Okay, good. Um, sorry, I haven't introduced myself. I'm Conor Madison. I'm from GZA. Um, on behalf of Eversource and then I think you introduced yourself. I have not. My name is Jacob Plazasi. Oh my. Look like the last I'll spell it for you. K W A P I S Z E S K I. That's how I already done it. It's Irish. That's why I let you introduce yourself. Um and we're here for a conditional use permit application for um impacts of the wet wetlands conservation overlay district. I believe you have seen Eversource before, so I apologize if I kind of skim through this, but feel free to ask questions. Um, this is a proposed structure replacement project on the 334G distribution line. Uh, the project

site location is by the Garbins Falls Hydro Dam off of Garvin Walls Road. Um, this project does go through Penrook, Conquered, and Bow. So, it is part of a larger project, but for just the town of Bow, there's a proposed three structures um to be replaced. Two of those structures are two- pole structures and then one is a three- pole structure. Eversource um inspects their wood infrastructure and looks for any insect damage, woodpecker damage, water rot, any cracks. And um this year, these three were flagged in the town of B. So, they're being proposed to be replaced with steel. So, this would be a wood to steel structure replacement project. Um, this area actually already has an existing access road. So, that is kind of the black dot um on the plans before you. It's kind of a black dotted road to each uh of the red structures. So, that is existing because there has been other maintenance projects going on in this area for the transmission lines. Um, so we'll be utilizing that road. And then for the actual structure replacement from wood to steel, Eversource is proposing a 50 foot by 100 foot new gravel. That is that orange hatching. And that new gravel is for a safe work um kind of a safe work pad for the structure replacement. So we'll have bucket trucks, um drills, potentially crane, potentially just a digger to bring it up. Um at the end of the project that will be restored to about a 30 by 60 area. um for this project. So it won't stay uh 50 feet by 100 of gravel will be taken back. So that is um there are no wetland impacts to for this project. There is proposed wetland buffer impact which is 7,09 square feet and that is before the restoration. So we're permitting for uh the whole thing there. As for other

permits, uh all the construction will be done by the 2019 BMA manual for utility maintenance projects. We'll also be uh submitting a wetland permit by notification for uh penrook belt land conquered for all of these as well as an alteration of terrain permit for the um the proposed gravel. This section doesn't um require an AOT by itself. AOT kind of looks at the entire project. So, it is Conquered and Pemrook um together for that alteration of terrain which the town received in early February. We're still waiting to hear back from that. We'll also be submitting a shoreland per by notification to the state for um being within the 250 foot zone of that the Marramac River. All these permits do require extensive coordination with fishing game. um fishing game and Eversource actually talked and then we Eversource will be constructing this project in starting in October to March. Um so that's utilizing the non-rowing season for plants and then the turtle hibernating everything's kind of underground and sleeping. So it's the best time to work during the inactive season. Um so it is kind of a smaller project um than I think you have seen in the past. It'll be maximum up to six months if I'm not sus enough. Yeah, likely considerably less. Um, we'll also have uh EPA construction general permit. So, that requires a SWIP, a storm water pollution prevention plan. We'll also be out there weekly um inspecting the erosion controls. In this case, it'll be silt sock or silt fence along each of the work areas. We're not allowed to use anything that has plastic welding. That's a fishing game requirement. Um, so it will be all fabric type material. And like I said, we'll be out there weekly making sure that that's all functioning properly. Um I believe that's kind of it. If I ran

through that quickly, was there anything I forgot? Um I just wanted to call attention to the plan set that you had up on the screen. That was a prior revision which utilizes a um a revised access route. Um, so the the plans that were provided to you here tonight uh are the currently proposed access plan, which is a uh similar upland buffer impact but utilizing established access ways. So uh all in all a a lesser impactful option. Yeah, I think I didn't update the one in this folder. Yeah, that's quite right. This one uh is more accurate. So, yep. And the um access routes that we have depicted on the plan set were the ones that we walked at the sitewalk would be last Friday um with the conservation commission and others. Okay. Yeah. One of the issues that the conservation commission identified was not really this project, but right adjacent to where they've sought a permit for working, there's a huge wood pile of, you know, I don't know, is it 12 by 12 paper? I mean, large large wood stuff that's sitting in the buffer. Um that really timber matting or something that's like it's it looks like timber matting but it's pressuret treated which we don't use for our construction materials and there other uh looks like um you know temporary railing. There's some other they look appear to be uh bunks or something like that. They appear to be uh dam operations related. Um they do extend partially into our easement uh but the the bulk of it is off of our easement. certainly is a complicating factor between holder of a utility easement with the underlying property owner.

Yeah, we the the commission felt that it needs to be removed before they do their work. And and the other suggestion that was made is, you know, if it's possible in some of these areas to put up a wetland buffer marker, you know, that wouldn't affect your uh work areas or need to get in there. it might be good to kind of alert people that maybe they should ask some questions in the future. Yeah. So, I think whatever can be done in association with the project, I don't know how much we can hold them to if it's not their stuff and not entirely even in their easement, but as much as you can assist and then I think the town will also have to approach it as a code enforcement issue. Right. That I I figured that that would be probably a default. Yeah. Right. Totally unrelated. take a walk down the railroad tracks and get the railroad to stop throwing railroad ties in the river. They toss at each other. Well, if you see that then Well, I guess it's also hard to know is somebody else doing it. Oh, no. When they when they place them, they they toss them toss them. Yeah. Yeah. They're lining the rail bed. Yeah. Yeah. But anyways, I guess totally unrelated. Um I'd like you to clean that up, too. Good luck with the railroad. Um Sandy, did you get photos when you visited? Yeah, I I put you of that uh pile. Okay. So, next week we can look at that from a code enforcement perspective, too. Okay. Project and doing this. I mean, that's I think if you're able to help put pressure on them also. Yeah, I think so. So, to be frank, we have a very close working relationship with the dam

operator. Um, they have gated access on the river side of the railroad tracks. Um, access to our location at structure uh 253, which includes pole 253 and 253A. Um, requires us to access over their private road. So, we do try to play nice in the sandbox, so to speak. Um, so we certainly don't want to want to rock the boat. Um, we will ultimately have to conduct outreach to coordinate our work with their operations. Um, so it isn't it is part of the plan to have those conversations to to elevate the concerns raised by the conservation commission in the town. Yeah. I mean, if you you can tell them that. Yeah. I was saying heads up. Hey, heads up. You know, we we have a project. Oh, by the way, we're impacting the buffer. However, there's some pre-existing buffer impacts that is on the radar. Totally understood. Right. If you don't remove them voluntarily, you may be asked in a more strong manner to remove them. Yeah. There were I looked back at the uh Google Earth. I know you had said you went to Google Earth. It's probably like 20 2016 or 2017 when the stuff was at least some of it was put. Yeah. Yeah. If you go back in Google Earth, it appears to have been utilized as a lay down area for as long as you could go back in time on Google Earth. It gets too blurry at our proper requirements. So, um I'm just right. So yeah, ultimately we'll we'll have to coordinate in construction because they'll have their operations ongoing obviously as a hydro facility. Um you know we have our needs as an operating utility in the area. Ultimately we all tie into the substation. So okay so we need to accept this complete.

Yes. I'll make a motion to accept this application as complete. A second favor I opposed. public service. Isn't that over there? Well, regional mutual. So, it is right on the boundary of the town, but the other towns are also involved in the project. So, they are already very aware of it. So, I don't think that's a concern. They have regional impact if they don't get to do it. Yeah. Sure. I I'll make a motion that application 42-25 uh does not have regional impact. Second. Those in favor? I opposed public hearing. Uh this is the public hearing. If there anybody from the public time, questions, comments, not seeing any, I'll close the public hearing. I I just have one question just in in response to and I don't know if how close this is to other um property that's down there, but if I recall there was issues with restoring it to the as much to the existing condition after they're done with the work. Well, that that's another uh line that we looked at uh last Friday. in. So that that would be my only question is we've had concerns on previous projects down there near this with the abuing property owners in the condition that the the property is is made. That was that was actually addressed by me. Okay. I I uh I met with Mr. Linquist um after the site visit with with Sandy and others and addressed uh as much of those concerns as I could. There had been some earlier that had been addressed. Yep. Once, but I guess there was still some.

Yeah. Yeah. There were some remaining uh erosion control BMPPS that were um impacting his ail ability to utilize his field for hay production. Um after talking with the property owner, um he gave me permission to bring my truck down into his field to remove those materials. So, one thing that Sandy and I had discussed was whether we wanted to ask for photos or some sort of evidence or hold a sitewalk afterwards to just provide some confirmation that the restoration occurred as it was expected. And then also, I think if you provide us photos afterwards to show that it was restored properly, then you have that evidence too to if it looks different later, you can say when our workers left it looked like this. Yep. Yeah. We um we we routinely take photos throughout the construction process and uh it's not out of the ordinary to to host the host communities um during the res restoration phase so that we can uh if there are any issues identified we can uh rectify them before we demobilize from the site. So that's something that would be of interest to the town we can certainly accommodate that. Yeah. If you would like to physically see it, if you'd like to request the conservation take a commission take a look. If you just want photos, how would you like to confirmation commission want? Is it too much to ask for pre and post? I mean well we get pre into some of the applications so we just have I think satisfactory to have just post photos and then to carri's point you have record and if there's any sort of issues that come up if there's anything that inspector looks at after plans to say they finished it right or is it generally for projects like this and no okay no we do have to monitor it until we get per the state 70 to 85% regrowth Um so given that this project it finishes before March we are going to

have to monitor it into well into the spring. Um so it will be enticing go out in April again but we won't be seeing much. Yeah. So, did we agree to providing the town with photographs or did you want to stay in touch and we can bring you out to the site as the project is completed so we can kind of lay eyes on restoration as a group? What's the thought there? Yeah, sure. the conservation commission. Yeah, I mean I think the conservation commission may be interested in checking out the restoration if you're willing to do that. That would be a great service. So a condition that you want. Okay. Um and then other potential conditions. Um I don't know what you want to say about the junk pile whether maybe these best efforts to work with the property owner to remediate the dress uh junk pile. I don't think he can say it must be removed because I don't think done to it. I think they just should give them the heads up and then if they don't address it then it's going to follow the due course of us. Exactly. I I don't think it should impact this application. I I think it would be reasonable to make a condition that they make efforts to contact work with the land owner and okay, which will make it easy. It'll make it easy to work with them. They telling us we have to um and then other conditions are all of the other permits that they listed. Um they're not all necessarily tied to the bow. Some of them are for the larger projects. They all include Bo in some aspect of it. So it makes sense. So did I get there's AOT, Shoreland, Wetland, and EPA general. Is that all of them?

Construction general permit. Army Corps of Engineers. Yeah. I didn't dive into the Army Corps. You said there's no wet lens on both impact. Yeah. No imp. It's just buffer. Yeah. So the wetland permit isn't for bow impacts, but it's part of the larger project that they're doing. But we don't need that for condition. That's what I was kind of saying. So that one you won't need cuz that one's a town by town. Okay. So we'll take off while does the shorland impact shorland will go into both. Yeah. AOT shorland in general. those the EPA and Army Corps EPA and Army Corps are both called kind of general purpose. So one is a wetland one too, right? So that is not not I'm not as familiar with that. I'll defer to them. That that one's focused on wetlands. Yes. Yeah. So maybe we don't. So is that one not not talked about? Yeah. Okay. So we're fast enough so don't disagree. Yeah. For purposes of the work area and both the most significant permits for state would be uh the alteration of terrain being as how we're working in uplands and then from a storm water pollution prevention perspective. Uh that would be the EPA construction general permit. And then and you have shoreland there too. Correct. Those are the three those three. Those three final [Laughter] answer. All right. Any other conditions that I wanted to discuss? Um, and then of course you're applying the CUP criteria, the specific wetland ones and the

general. We don't have their letter here which really goes through and says so they've addressed it. Do we not? No, it was in the you know, it's in the the Usually I stuff that you um you know the on on in in the cloud missed it. I usually try to stick that on here. Wait, is it not in here? Yeah, it should be addressed in the project narrative. Yeah, it's an S. Got it. Oh, okay. It is four and five. Yeah. Sorry, I didn't know you guys have the same thing in front of you. Yeah. Yeah. Do you want me to go through that or do you want to say that what they've covered and say as long as everyone reviews it and feels comfortable, you don't have to read it all, but as long as everyone personally feels comfortable enough to make a decision. I'm good. I'm good. So, um I move um approval of the um wetland uh protection cup application number 402-25. Second. Favor. Um, you want to list the conditions? Uh, yes. So, the two conditions are um to um work with the land owner to remove the wood material that's in the buffer adjacent to your work area. Um and that the um conservation commission will uh I

guess or um post restoration inspection will be conducted and then the permit in general. Oh right. Yeah. See of other permits. Yeah. and the and the other permits will be um uh obtained alteration of terrain shore land by notification and the EPA construction general permit the perification the shore land yeah the the shore PBN um so the conditions were a separate motion so someone needs to second that all those in favor Candy made the motion and second. Y in favor. Great. And findings of fact. Keep the power going. Yeah, we need to keep the grid up. They're following all the rules. Um I think they they are minim minimizing the impacts and addressing the restoration as well and they've met the CUP criteria in 12.0 yes 12.05 and 10.01 right? Yeah. Yep. Sorry. Is that part of your motion? I'll make that motion. I'll second one in favor. I close. Good. Thank you. Thank you so much. I'll give this one to Ginger. You want to keep that one? I'll keep Well, did you get a full She can this one. I'll keep this. I'll

keep this one for you. You want two? Sure. Trying to pawn them off over here. Thanks. Moving right along. Application 403-25. Kristen Anne Smith conditional use permit application for proposed 24x32 detached accessory dwelling unit located at 93 White Rock Hill Road. Hi. Hi. I'm Smith. That's a lot easier than the last couple of years. That should give me bonus points right there. Right. Okay, great. Um, we're here today because we are hoping to put a detached ADU on lot 119A where I am the owner and I'm Kirsten Smith. Um, my parents bought originally 119 when it was just a structure that um got gutted and rebuilt up and subdivided on either side were pieces of land. And I p I purchased the one on the left. My sister purchased the one on the right and that was going to be this wonderful place where we would all live forever. Things have changed in the middle. So, um we want to keep mom with us and so the goal would be to build something for her to be in between both of her daughters and still have her grandchildren right next door. Um the house in between where mom and my stepdad live um has already sold. So, we're working on a plan to get her a safe place to be where she can live with us and stay. So, that's the idea behind the 24 by 32. Um, similar to a barn looking home. We also, it's nothing like that other one. Man, that was pretty cool. Um, ours is going to be much more modest, very cute. Um, we want mom to have enough space where she has her own bathroom, bedroom, living room, and dining area. It'll all fit in about 768 square ft. So, it meets all the

requirements. We are going to make it look um architecturally and historically like it belongs because we love where we live and we love our home and take good care of our area as well and love being where we are. So that would be the plan. Um it would run off of our well. It would require its own septic. We have not gotten a septic plan yet because I did not want to put that cart before the horse, but we did have the um surveyor come out and say that we have plenty of space to do that. Um then we had a visitation with a parade the other day. So the fire department, the police department and Carrie and the building inspector all came to visit us to see exactly where it would fit to make sure that it could be accessed by fire and ambulance if needed. And so that's going to be great. We're going to just pull a driveway right up to her house um and a walkway off of our walkway. So, I think we meet all the specifications for all the easements and I just hope that we can make this happen um with this ADU. So, I just brought up the lots so you can see the configuration. It's a little bit of an unusual configuration with the lots because it's the family compound. Um so, this is her lot here. This was um the one in the middle and this is her sister. And so there's a shared driveway that kind of sweeps behind the three and comes in the back. Um the fire department was and so it's proposed to come kind of up in the front side in this area and the there's a bit of a slope. I'll show you a couple pictures, but the fire department was just concerned that they'd be able to access for an emergency. Um and so we just decided it'd be easier if they saw it in person. So they came out and they were they were satisfied once they saw it in person. So, um, that relieved all of their concerns. I don't know if you have these other renderings that we did. See if I pictures. Um, so does your driveway have

the easement to go over that other the middle lot? Yeah, that was just a few years ago. You all remember that that driveway was fun to put in. It added a good $25,000 to the build. I was like, "Oh my gosh." Cuz I mean, obviously, there's sight issues coming up that hill. though it was adding another driveway there would have been very dangerous. So, we get it. It certainly is a lot to plow if you ask my husband behind you, I'm sure, with the four-wheeler. Your view is gorgeous. Oh my gosh, it's like waking up in vacation every day. It's just the best place to live in the world. Um, so this kind of shows um it's hard to give it perspective, but this is kind of the the area where where the ADU would go kind of on the side area. It is sloped. Um, so but it can be worked with. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I don't know if you have this other um the one with the kind of where it's going to be. Okay. Good. Good. Yeah. So, I'll make a motion to accept application number for 403-25, Christristen Smith, um, as complete. Second. All in favor? I'll make a motion. There's no regional impact to this. I'll second that. All in favor? I close. Yes. So, this um I'm open this public. Anybody got any questions, comments? See, um Dan Borgard, 85 White Rock Hill Road, right next door. Um, one question. I didn't know that there was going to be a septic um a new septic system. So, I I'm

my well is uh very close to the property line there. So, I'd be interested to see where that design is. Um, would it be behind it or Which side do you live on? I'm I'm just um northwest of your house. Right. You look down on my house. The the green one. Yeah. Yep. Right in our backyard. Okay. Gotcha. Um it would be actually it'll be further away from your line than my current septic is back. Yes. Yep. It won't be anywhere near it'll be person back here or No, that's where my current septic is. And um if you follow your finger down, my current septic is there. Yeah. his house is there and that it's further away from your house. Y and um this septic plan would be reviewed um by the town and the state and they'll obviously make check. But that is a a very valid concern. Yeah, good question. Um the other question was um if the house is sold, can this be used as an Airbnb or anything like that? What are the regulations on that? And I I'm not familiar with the town. For accessory dwelling units, we require that at least one of the units is owner occupied. So, they couldn't rent out both units. There has to be an owner on on premises. Okay. And uh you answered my question about first responders that that was all done. I speak in favor of the plan. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Any anybody else? All right. See none, I'm going to close the public hearing. Um so once again you want to consider the CU criteria and in your packet is um the letter where she addressed the criteria on the back of the [Music]

[Music] I've told people as coaching them through these applications, if you read the CP criteria, I think it's pretty hard to create an ADU that doesn't meet the criteria. Um, but I there's the value in bringing them to the planning board is the, you know, the details is the aesthetics is does it does it make sense? Does it fit there? Yeah. Anyone else? I'll make a motion to approve application 403-25. Um, and I'll also uh add that Oh, I'll do a second. Never mind. End it there. Do two separate ones. He made a motion. A motion to approve. To approve. Second. Those in favor. I I'll make a motion for findings of fact. Should we make sure that the design is You can I mean, it's not going to get approved. It's not going to get a building permit without it anyway. So, it's it's kind of all wrapped up in the process. Um, but if you want to, you can. I know. I mean, I'm glad. I just didn't know if that meant needed to be in it. There's other there's others um processes in place to make sure that all works out. Perfect. Motion for findings of fact as provided uh from article 12.05 05 uh A through G from the applicant that there Matt. That's their M. Yeah. Okay. Second. Oh, sorry. All those in favor. You do good. Good luck. Thank you so much. Good luck with everything. Thanks for your consideration.

That looks a cute little house. I love seeing these at some point, you know, turn them into Airbnbs. I mean, literally, they they could rent these out, you know. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. All right. Trying to lump everything together just separate. Changing up the guard here. Round two. Round two's going to roll in. Stand up. Sit for two. Take advantage of a break when we get forgot my water. Big mistake. Oh yeah. Set up a little bit. Set it up. Work. Wave to the camera. My three-year-old's watching. It's funny. All right. Application 404-25, Maple Serve Enterprises. conditional use permit to impact 812 square feet of wetlands and 13,345 square feet of wetland buffer for grading and pavement uh located at 1310 Route 3A. And it's the site plan too. What's it? Oh, and the site plan. So, and application uh 2011-25 um Maple Ser Enterprises site

plan application for proposed 25,324 square foot truck sales parts and service facility and associated parking, storm water management and utility infrastructure located at 1310 Route 3A. Welcome. It's a mouthful, isn't it? It is. Good evening board members. Hey Matt Ruth here with TF Ran. We have Charlie from Ballard here. Um you guys I think are kind of familiar with this property. Um we were here before you with a conceptual last time and I believe there was a previous conceptual before that. Um so we're proposing to uh develop the uh west side of this lot. This lot is consist of 28 acres in total with the majority being to the south brook. Um I specified we're looking at 25,324 square foot building uh with a mezzanine or park storage. Um that area is located adjacent to the dock. Um we're looking at 55 uh passenger car spaces and a total of 85 truck spaces, 24 of which will be for sales display. Um and then we are proposing 10 future here which have all been incorporated into the drainage design. Um, last time we were here, we were looking at a a much bigger impact on this wetland. That wetland uh was almost 3 impact was almost 3,000 square ft. Last time we were here, we've done some reconfiguring the truck dock again, making this

uh big enough so we can do over the road trucks um and have the ability to get other trucks past it. We've got that down to 812 square ft. Um the size of this wetland as it is now is about 11,962 square ft total. Um part of our proposal is to provide buffer signs along the uh Bog Brook as well as the wetland edge. Once once we uh perform that dredge and fill on that uh the proposed septic will be in the rear. Uh we are proposing a holding tank for floor drains. Um as part of this uh the service bays it will be floor drains as well as a wash bay. Um we have submitted all our permits at this point to the state regarding the wetlands. AOT DOT has uh has those plans these plans as well and that's under review. Um we tried to incorporate uh their request to make sure that we had plenty of maneuvering room the trucks on this property simply due to the intersection. So we have widened out these radiuses a little bit to accommodate that. Currently I believe that there's a big painted island somewhat in the middle. We've removed that to create big enough lane so we have no uh conflict of movement. Um, overall we're looking at uh about 8.8 acres of disturbance with this this proposed project. And with that, I'll leave it up to questions from the board. Um, you said the entrance. You got to

open that up. We had to we had to kind of taper these curves to deal with the the 65s. It wasn't the traffic lights are already in a good spot, I take it. Yes, they they still work. Yes. Yeah. Okay. Um got good questions. I think you've been for the conservation commission that Monday night with Sandy and I think you know when we do a site have a site walk we'll be able to get a better idea of the site but Yeah. No, it was good. And they followed up with the they were responsive with the um uh some of the fish and game correspondents because they work with them early on addressing the rare species and um stuff and getting a copy digital copy of the wetland permit which is very helpful. Thank you. Sure. Um yeah, I think it's good project. I mean, this is the, you know, he said, you know, the town used to own this land. Uh we sold it very reasonable. Um actually went to a bid. You know, part of the bid was somebody that could develop it. The um and you're you have a purchase and sales with the ones that bought it. um you know so the you know basically what I'm getting at is is the town you know we've wanted this developed you know that was the idea of um you know the the truck sales I think goes good with we got a Peter built dealer we have um equipment east equipment you know the heavy equipment um it fits 3A well I was part of select

board when we sold this Uh, I'm happy. I'm ecstatic to see it being developed by a use that can kind of take advantage of our center of Christ. Great project. Thank you. Back back to the purchase and sales. I didn't want to cut you off. Um, it is conditional upon the all the the wetlands approvals, the town approvals with with with the seller. The only issue we have, and I'm I'm going to be perfectly upfront with everybody here because we appreciate town's been nothing but nice to us um through this whole process. Um we've already asked for one extension with the seller and we were told point blank that they will not grant us another one. We have till the beginning of August to get all this done. Okay? I'm not and I'm just being very upfront with you guys. I don't think that's a problem. I think we still have plenty of time, but this is a two-way street and we're going to be here long after I'm dead and gone and uh Rob and his family will carry it on when I'm dead. But uh this is a partnership and I just wanted to be upfront with you guys and just let you know what's going on. That's all. Well, I know, you know, one of the things that is, you know, a concern to town is is the wetlands and, you know, minimizing that impact. um the last time you were here there was a lot more impact and um you know so I'm glad to see that that's gotten tightened up and um well there's only four of us that worked on it so yeah what an hour and a half webinar to get that hammered off it was it was a lot of fun so one of the things you know we do got to schedule a sitew walk I you know we can't do this all in one night um I got flashlights in the truck where they I'm kidding. I've walked that site before. I don't think we could do it in the dark. But you just were there, right? No, I was not at this one. Got it. First have

to accept as complete. Yep. Motion to accept application number 2011-25 as complete. I'll second that. All in favor? I [Applause] roll right into regional. Sure. I'll make a motion that this project does not have regional impact. Second favor. I can go through a few things in the staff report if you want. Yeah. Um, so we got some comments from staff, department heads, committees. Um, fire prevention just mentioned that there might be third party review required for sprinkler systems based on the size of the building. Yeah, he just wanted to give a heads up on that so it's not a surprise. Um, from Whitewater, Dan didn't have any major concerns, but obviously as the project moves along, he'll review the details of the water connection. Yeah, one other thing I just want to add while you're talking about utilities, they are trying to pursue getting gas to the site as opposed to doing the propane. So, just so you're all aware, we did get uh the utilities did come back to us, last week, this week. Yeah. And they pretty much sent us a contract. I'm like, whoa. So, they're they're actually kind of going to do that, which is we're ecstatic. How close is it? It's right across the street. it. Yeah, it turns and goes down Dunley. Yeah. I mean, it's literally the gas line comes down the street. Takes it right on Dunley. Well, when they put it in, they were trying to hit as many places and also saved a, you know, a water crossing a little further up. I mean, I would have liked to go by my store, but I was really happy it went by my house. Those guys are those guys were something else to deal with. I mean, this Andrew guy was in 24 to 48 hours, and he was more on the 24 side. Always back to us. That's awesome. Well,

you have to we have to tunnel that under the road like get under I I don't either that or they're going to cut it. I don't know. One or the other. Either way, we got to pay for it. I know that cutting it the water line already. Yeah. So, maybe they can be coordinated. Yeah. Oh, because the water line's the other side and that's Yeah, it's on It's on the plan right now, too. Anyways, so cut for pavement for water line is in there. I didn't mean to interrupt your Oh, no. I think that's Yeah, that's just one of those cool facts to put in our, you know, put in our knowledge. The only thing that's there that we can't use is the sewer cuz it doesn't go dry. It does. Yeah, it's dry. I was going to say it doesn't go anywhere, but either way, we can't use it. But someday, you never know. Well, we're we're having meetings this year about it. And I would, you know, putting in septic, you know, this have that thought that, you know, that could go that way. I mean, it's I mean, I see your your own bags. Luckily, we have plenty of pitch. We don't have to worry about it. As long as you're you're Yeah. coming out higher, we know which way it goes. Um the building inspector had a couple comments about the holding tank, just the discrepancy in the size. And then um just some questions about more details on the floor drains. Yes, we've added added notes to the uh utility plan, address the size of that, put in, you know, frequency of cleaning and whatnot for that as well. Excellent. Um, and then the Do you want to talk about the the dam site a little bit? I give you as little as I little as I know. Um, our surveyor did research the dam site. Um obviously historical is t you know names historical as has as noted they didn't want us to touch any stone walls or the dam. My understanding is it's

kind of a I guess prescriptive rights around the brook for that to be used and that dam for public access. I believe we included that in the deed when we sold this basically lightly said whoever buys it is going to be kind and let people who want to see the old damn correct? Yeah, it was it was very loose language so I can't really add more than that. I I think the the understanding is that we we value the kind of historical aspects of this property and you're going to be reasonable to the talent citizens that want to go out there and see what used to be there. I think Dan um Dan Foley who sorry he uh he had hand surgery last week and uh unfortunately um his hand probably looks like a catcher mitt right now but uh so he couldn't make it he didn't make it Monday to see Sandy and he didn't make it tonight. So anyway, and he's made it to like to he was here for the conceptual. He was here for the conception when he described how he wants to build a stone. I don't want to call it a driveway out by the road, but a path and then picnic tables and whatnot. But in reading um what was uncovered like he also wanted and envisioned he still has the gentleman's card from the historical society that I met at the uh at the get together at the library. So anyway, the photographer back. Yes. So anyway, um it it's appeared with that write up that we can't touch anything, but Dan's vision was if there's dead wood in there, let's get rid of it. You know, make it so people want to go there and have lunch or, you know, maybe somebody takes their and this is going to sound corny, but takes their grandkids and say, "Hey, this was a mill at one time," or whatever. Yeah. More more preserve what? Yes. Yeah. Ann's a history buff. I think that's what the select board intended at the time. And if ultimately you need to get a clarification of that, I think you go

to the select board to get that and I can assure you you'll get Okay. Yeah. Because it's I mean we we have every intention of just making it so people want to go there, not harm anything. That's that's not going to happen. Same from the Heritage Commission. Um we received comments saying exact same thing. They envision it as a picnic area, walking path, um any way to kind of ensure there's public access and that it's a pleasant place to visit. I think even if there's some sort of a interpretive panel, if Eric or someone from the historic uh from the heritage commission is able to dig up any photos or stories or any information about what was there um to put it on put it on a panel so that people can I've seen some pictures. It's amazing what they had there. It was built up. It was quite the quite structure. I think I was just saying I think it would be a good collaborate collaborative effort between the town, the Heritage Commission and uh Ballard Truck Center to make that happen. It's funny because Ballard when they got their start back in the 20s or whatever before my time, believe it or not. Um they started out making wagon wheels and stuff like that. And Dan and I were talking today and he's like, you know, he goes, I wouldn't be surprised. I said, "Dan, back then Worcester Bo, that was a four-day ride, man. There's no way they bought anything from Ballard back then. There's no way. It didn't happen." And uh then that's it kind of hit home then when I explained to him by, you know, by worse or I mean a model a I couldn't imagine driving to Worcester from here back in the 20s. Yeah. I I think the only um suggestion I have is just trying to minimize areas that sort of get cleared for access that you you kind of limit it and make sure it's apparent to people where they could go versus having a larger area cleared. So a traditional walking path, not a You

don't want a football field, right? You want a walking path. Right. Right. And also that there's not, you know, there's enough clear that people can enjoy it but not um totally mowed type of thing. And when you say that, I'm thinking selective cutting and also not mowing. I you know, I just think of some things in town that I just don't know why they mow around the trees. But anyway, I'm picturing the rail trails around Lake Masabesic. When you say that to me, that's what I'm envisioning. Yeah, because they're they're not too wide. They're probably six feet if that in some spots. Yeah. Even you. Yeah. I I would just say you can make something that's maybe ADA that's you know the width at a wheelchair accessible type of thing. I wouldn't go much wider than that. But I mean that's that's kind of an after. Oh yeah. We're glad to hear that before. It sounds like, you know, everybody's on the same page of want to make it accessible but not disturb it too much. I think it goes to just understanding what the town is hoping for. Why? Yeah. Yeah. And you know what? When we go to do it, why don't we work together on it? Yeah. Yeah. We've got a 300 year anniversary coming up, so might be a good project to get some people behind. Yep. Definitely. Um checklist things. Most of them were actually already there and we just didn't find them. So, those are all set. Um, uh, restoration plan and cost estimate. Are those those we will have to put together? Okay. Um, so any the project because it requires an AOT permit, we ask for the restoration plan and a cost estimate um so that you can consider requiring a restoration bond for the site. Um they've requested three waivers. Um two relating to landscaping.

Um do you want to explain them or do you want me to? Um up to you. Totally up to you. I'll let you you get to go first and then I'll So, we're looking for um a waiver as it relates to um trying to find it here in this large pile of is the area under the power lines uh where we required the um 10 foot I think it's is it 10 foot I will just say that it was very evident to me that whoever did your landscape plan paid very close attention to our our requirements which are not easy to interpret and I think you stuck to them to a tea more than I've seen anyone else do so that means you don't have to talk about anyone well well they've requested a couple waiverss from but I just appreciate the way you exactly responded to each requirement yeah we tried to look at it in the whole and you know also take into consider consideration the topography that as it relates in the fact that you know the abuters to the to the north really are going to be looking straight over everything up to the highway. So we didn't uh see that particular you know area is a a real focus. We tried to focus it you know on the sides and side of the building and and less towards the rear. Yeah. So, so you request not doing a landscape strip in the in the utility right away and then yeah with the slopes are such that just visual. Yeah, I mean it's hard to it's hard to tell, but the only comment that I would say on on the landscaping is um being cognizant of where some of those trees are being planted, especially with respect to the snow storage areas because as those trees

mature. Yeah. It's it's the constant challenge we have where we try to space them out. Yeah. Yeah. And uh you know, as everybody knows, we unfortunately snow doesn't always get plowed kindly. I'm just looking at it from the standpoint you've got a guard rail on that top parking and then you're putting the trees in that snow storage right below that and then you've got a line of trees down on the lower lot. So, you're going to start to get limited with snow storage. Yeah, we we anticipate that um to some degree. Um, you know, my my expectations they'll be using the loader to push it over that rail and and a lot of it will probably end up getting pushed down to the bottom then pushed up onto the slope below the guard rail. So, um, again, with the clearing of with the loader, it'll be much easier to deal with than trying to push it towards the woods. And so, the other waiver was under the utility lines to have shorter species, right? Yes. Correct. Um, and then I don't know, I didn't I If anyone has any comments about the species say I defer it species I said anyone but I meant Sandy even was there was an additional waiver I believe that you talked about that I I'd responded to you in Yeah. Yeah. Do you want to just finish the conversation about landscaping first and then um so which um I'm trying to see which

areas things were being planted in or where last two pages of it and they break down they have a breakdown of the landscape legend on the very last right I did see so this starting with this So, they're planning here, here, right? But this is the easement. So, I thought that they were talking about the height in the easement. No, they're talking about there's a power line that's going to run right across here. Oh. Oh, okay. And not planting this tall tree with respect to There's a transformer right there. Oh, right. You're right. Okay. So, the line runs out. That's what they were talking about there. Yeah, that's there. That's the That's not what I [Music] um are you looking for alternate shorter species? Well, I think my question in general is how do you feel about the species selected overall on the natives? I don't know if they all Yeah. Um I know you know there's there are some cultivores but uh I probably the uh the juniperous genencis sea green is that um I don't know whether you can substitute something more native for that I suspect that's a low one. I was just looking for um things that were obviously not native. They were on the front of the building in the front parking lot. Yeah, the junipers are strictly of the foundation plantings,

I believe. I I don't recall what height those get. Those pretty Sure. You know whether something I don't know like ink berry would work. Yeah. The only experience I that I'm familiar with ink is they do not do well with snow or or any kind of salt. I learned that from my own experience. Right. Right. Right. No, that's uh you know that that counts. Um, we can certainly look to change those out with a more native if you so desire. I don't think there's anything holding us to those. Okay. So, in general, the board likes to encourage as much native as is practical. Absolutely. Yeah. I think the rest will And then the third waiver request is about monuments. Correct. So we have well over 500 ft along loop 3A um that we'd be looking for a waiver for their existing I believe granite bounds that are there currently. Then the other area would be along I 93 which is depicted by I believe three existing monuments and the state highway fence that runs right on top of it. The fence is the boundary. Yeah, there there's definitely some jigs and jogs in the property line that go over a stone wall. We we recommend putting drill holes so

there's some clarity on those. Typically those are um on this portion of the property. Not even really what we're working on, but closer to 3A. Um so we'd probably we'd recommend, you know, put drill holes where we could, but avoid trying to rip up the DOT fence to put in uh credit back. That makes sense. So basically just look for waiver where it's Yeah. Because of the 500 ft feet requirement it yet again along the highway is the longest port. So um and then that I had asked them to provide a brief narrative explaining how they meet the performance standards of the optical protection district and they provided that. Do you want to sure any comment on it? I we can just add you know we're design these are these storm water basins are going to be filter basins as I said you know products going to be stored inside the building we are doing the holding tank to deal with the floor drains um on our plans we've actually included uh green snow pro snow removal that's awesome I know it's not typically required but since you've had issues with salt and wells it made the most amount of sense to me to include it. We appreciate that. I figured that would be beneficial to you folks. Um and other than that, um you know, um comment on storage of m materials. Yeah, the storage as we said will most like most all be inside. So we don't anticipate the on the on the building. What's really cool what we're doing here is it's going to be six six bays on each side drive-thru. So, 12 bays all 20 ft wide, but you're

going to have three and then you're going to have a 20 foot wide space that's going to be 20 ft where there isn't there's a door here for parts to bring in like an engine or whatever for a job. But that whole 20 ft 90 ft 90 ft wide of the building is all going to be open space for storage. Whether it be waste oil tanks for our waste oil burners or any type of oil for changing motor oil in the vehicles, that'll all be in that space so we're not robbing from the technicians and a safe workspace as well for them. So that that's all that stuff will be inside. It's a smart design. I'm sorry. Smart design. Yeah. Yeah. It's gonna it ought to be really good. I mean, it's it's going to be better than the hole we're in right now, but uh it'll it'll be good. Um so the board should consider is whether or not um third party engineering review specifically for storm water or any other issues um you think that's necessary. This is getting Yes. Yeah. AOT is looking at it, right? I have a couple of questions. Not me. All right. I just um and maybe the other plants have more detail, but I was curious about what this little sight feature here with the grading is. This little guy down here, which she uh see you talking about the path. It looks like Yeah, that's a path to maintain access for ever source cuz we're grading some cutting in and grading the slopes. Oh, okay. Pretty much tried to just create a connection so that if they have to get through, they can get through without

trying to traverse down a 3 to one slope. Got across a parking lot, per se. So, does that road like it kind of stops? Does it just keep going? Well, the dash line, I guess, which is the gravel and it just turns to Yeah, there may be something missing there, but it does connect up to those two further up if you're looking um south. on the plan. And then um on sheet C4. Yep. On the north west corner of the building. Um that little checkerboard things is that are those like those are the underground concrete uh leeching chambers for storm water. Uh those are for septic. Yeah. Oh yeah, for septic. Okay, gotcha. And then just on the ponds. Um I didn't see where I see it looks like there's a couple of spillways. Yep. Is that how the the main pond area that's how the water gets out or is there like a structure? It is an emergency overflow. There are no uh outlet structure simply because of the sand material. It's expected to infiltrate. So that's in case that it it didn't infiltrate and had to go someplace. But uh there's a fair amount of storage simply because of the material that's obviously on site like everybody knows. So what what storm event does is that before it um well for the state we have to make sure that we um so on the fifth year on the front one that's only building up the 303.58. So you can see the we're at 308 in the parking lot. So we've got quite quite the hole and part of that was just necessated by trying to intercept the

driveway drainage that was coming down to to the rightway which drove everything further into the ground. Unfortunately, you can see that on C8. That water coming down the driveway to 3A has been a shoe. I have no doubt. And that's why we're incorporating highspeed grates to catch that so it doesn't run out. Anything else? Everybody else trying to do this on an afternoon probably. Whatever you guys want, we will be there. [Applause] So the 10th works good for me. Depends on the time on the 12:30 12:15. I would say don't don't plan it around me because that weekend is a complete disaster right now. So It's opening weekend for baseball and softball. Is it? Yeah. So, yeah. 12:30 work for everyone else. Yeah, I guess so. No, work for you, Sandy. Yes.

My uh announcement. Yeah. So, this is u my last planning board meeting. Yeah, I uh my term runs out May 1st and I'm not going to do another one. I've been on the board for 10 years and uh thank you. Yeah, it's been been good. Learned a lot. Thank you. We have been helpful here and a lot. Yeah. Don't you get a watch at 12 years? No. No, you don't. Unfortunately, it's a Ballard's Timex and Oh my. You got time for one more sidewalk if you pull. So, we got to do it before May 1. Yeah, we can do it before May 1. It's fine with us. Or you can show up and heckle them. Yeah, there you go. They are open to the public. Yeah. Um, so after you scheduled to sidewalk, are you good with that? So, 12 12:30 on the 10th. 12:30. Yeah, sure. I can always go and walk it on my own. So, would you I'm not around that. That's a baseball issue. I'll offer this is going to sound weird, but I could have our marketing guy come up from Worcester and video along with the group if you'd like and supply that to you if that helps you. I know. We all go like Well, would the third be better? That's the end of vacation to school. Yes, I won't be. I'm done with kids, so I don't know these things anymore. I would just be No, are Saturdays bad or would an evening work better? Yeah, we could do after work. After work. Yeah, we could do a 5:30 on the 14th, the day before. Uh, no. I'm I'm It doesn't I mean, it can be anytime

that week. Maybe the week before. Does the week before work? Wednesday the 7th. Don't we have a meeting May 8th? We do have a meeting May 8th. So, can we do it before that meeting? Wait, we have a meeting on meeting special one. Um, like site plan. Uh, must have missed putting that one in my actually that would work for me. Yeah, that's actually not a bad idea. So, what do you 5:30? 5:30. Okay. Would there be room for us to if we're if you have a meeting that night after the sitewalk to get on the agenda for that meeting to try to go for the final approval? That's a special meeting, right? You're made. So, it would be the Yeah, it's not it's not a meeting for I took a shot, right? I mean, chair can decide. Um I mean we're here I mean we don't you know I guess so put it on the agenda. The thing is that there are other things that have to be done. So if we vote on third party review so that is the question is is there anything else that you want to see from them before that meeting is do you want to see a third party review? Do you is there anything else big enough site that it should have third party? I mean for the for the drainage. Mhm. I mean AOT is going to look at it too. Well, AOT looks at it with their rules and requirements in mind and there some of ours uh can be a little bit different or we've had questions I know in the past about they thought it was close enough but we said no. Ma'am,

does the board one question. Does the board want some things staked out on site before your sitewalk? And if so, what? Um, yeah. I mean, knowing, you know, where the building's going to set and some of, you know, if you can get some where the some parking lot corners would, right? I mean, that's corners. Yeah. the corners, parking lot corners, kind of show the driveway center line as it unless it's already pretty much existing. Well, I think will you come in is pretty it's pretty clear. It lines up with the traffic light. Yeah, I think that's pretty clear. But the one the one that probably will come into the question is the one that goes off that lower lot. That driveway that drops down to the lower show show truck show lot. A truck display area. Yeah. The problem with that one is going to be is that big mound of dirt that's there right now is going to be very misleading. I know. But so we're going to have to knowing like where the ed where the farthest southern edge of that because it's on the south. So you have like a building. Yes. Yeah. That then we'll just have to envision this out of the way. Yeah. We just said when we had to envision a building corner that was going to be 30 ft lower. Was that you didn't envision the building corner was going to go down 30 ft. Where was that at? Right down the road. Yeah. The white they're going to take out blasting out 30 ft of ledge. Wow. Mhm. Yeah. We all in sand here. I'm glad we didn't find out. Well, you have sand. You could you could hit rock out there at some point. I don't know. They dug down the 14 ft. Really? Nothing so far. Knock knock knock on that. Yeah,

the whole pitch. We didn't dig everywhere though. That's been my experience. It's sand and ledge. That is right. I know. We found it. Until you go to put utilities in. That's always the way it works. Um, so we were talking about the third party third party. I mean the other thing on here is, you know, I look the engineer and what, you know, their past histories are and you've been very good with stuff. You know what the stuff TF Marian does. Oh, yeah. But I I think I I think for something of this size, it would be good to have a third party review. How's the rest of it? How much time will that add to it? We could have it as long as we had a contract and a check in a timely fashion payment here tomorrow. We can uh have it ready by the May 15th meeting most likely. Usually he's got like a three-w weekek time period he puts on it. As long as who does the reading? Um Scott Borsier from Gale Engineering. We couldn't get it for May 8th, but May 15th most likely we or if I especially if we tell him we need it, then he will he will do it. I mean outside of that, is there anything else? Because I I mean I'm impartial on that personally, but I can see pluses and minuses. Um, outside of that, is there anything else that we would want? Um, so the restoration plan, which is already on your to-do list, it sounds like cost and the cost estimate that goes with that. But if they have those done, what what are we what are we

planning on doing on the ETH, do we have a lot on the agenda? Like, could they be put on that? And if if for some reason the third party engineering doesn't turn out, we could postpone it to that following week. I think it would be unlikely to get the third party engineering done by the eight by the asking a lot. All right. I was trying. So if we rely on the alteration train then we don't then we could be done by the time of that. Yeah. The difference is that the town's engineer, his job is to protect the town interests specifically. So that's that is why third party review is done um for the town. And I think it's complicated enough. There's a lot of things going on here. We probably do want to have him take a look at it. Yeah, I would say we should have my vote would be to have a third party engineer. I'm not an engineer, so these plans are I mean for a project this big, you know, um I I don't think it's appropriate to play favorites with who's done a good job in the past and who hasn't. I think it's it needs to be uh you know, this is a comp a big project and complicated need to have third party review. All right. Do you want to take a vote to Okay. I move that we require third party priority review. I'll second. All those in favor? I sure. We'll get it. Okay. All those opposed. Can we put this on the agenda? No, no, no. I got a question.

On the agenda today and then if we don't have it done in time, move it to the 15th. We can try. Does that work? Yeah, that'd be great. You said you'd bring a check tomorrow. We can try. Well, I was going to ask what do I have to do? He's going to have to put together an estimate, I assume. Exactly. So, I'll reach out to him first thing tomorrow morning. I wait till I hear from you that because he's going to tell you how much to write on the check. Um Yeah. So, I'll ask him to prepare a scope and fee. Town signs it. We'll send it to you guys to sign. Um and then you'll send us a check and we'll put in escrow. How long does that usually take for him to get the quote back to you. A couple of days. Okay. So, this isn't I don't have to be back here tomorrow. Oh, no. Well, I'm just saying. Unless he's got nothing. No, he can quote it tomorrow. I'll be here tomorrow afternoon. Okay. We'll be in touch. Okay. And then Yeah. So, once we get the check, we'll send him the notice to proceed and then he he does his thing. And you have everything to send him obviously. Yeah. Yeah. Yep. I hope so. You hope so. It's gone to everybody else. So there you go. He does like a um paper copy a fulls size set of plants. Try to save trees and cut more down. Well, can we start cutting and we can? No. Um I guess is there anything else? We didn't really talk about the conditional use permit. Um we talked about the reduction of the wetland impact. Um, one thing I had noted is I'd like to see the uh the wetland buffer impact quantified on the plan. It's on the application. I didn't see the buffer impact on there. Maybe it's hidden. You found everything else I asked for. Could be. Yeah, it is. Is it says 812? Well, that's the Yeah, I don't think we put the buffer, but I'll make Oh, the buffer impact, right? It may be on a plan somewhere,

but you'll make sure it is. Absolutely. That's an easy one. Yeah. Um and then you can see they provided their responses to the 1.01 and 12.05 criteria. Um there something said about fire review or they that'll come later when they get when they build a B go to do a building permit. I'm sure the state will require the state fire marshal to review it. That's typically based on the size. Anything I think 12,000 or over, if I remember correctly, some triggers that. Yeah. So, that comes later. They just wanted to give a heads up so it wasn't a surprise. So, what else we need to do these these gentlemen? Oh, we have a public hearing. Oh, yeah. I'll open the public hearing. I'll close the public hearing. Not seeing anybody. And now we just need to continue to the eighth. You want to move that? I'll make that motion. That's for both applications. Just to clarify. I'll second. All in favor? I post. We will see you on the eth. See on the eth gets pushed back. See you on the 15th. Yes. We'll do the sitewalk on the eth regardless. Yeah, we're going to see you on the eth. So nice. Are we are we done? No minutes. Minutes close the door. Well, actually we have to continue that application. Oh, did we vote to continue the not one but the next one?

What's that? So, Amber Bros. It's Oh, we're done with these guys. What's that? This one's done. Yeah, you voted to continue. Yeah, but I was talking about the next one. I'll I'll make a motion to continue application 203-25 Amber Amber B Associates for 515. Second. Second. You got one in there. Um I'll just uh we've been working with uh the applicant to and DOT to develop uh plans for the intersection that does 3A. Um there's been some feedback from DOT that they would not be able to permit the plan that they had originally proposed or any of the three that they had originally proposed. And um second um but they did indicate that they would consider permitting a plan that had a left turn bypass shoulder. Um for you're going north on 3A and you're going to turn left onto DAO road. Um it would be a shoulder so that when you stop to turn left that people can get around people can get around you so the cars don't back up. Kind of like a to turn on a river road they widen the shoulder. Yeah, exactly. It's wider so you can get around. Um so that's the idea. Um the applicant has engaged with a new engineer who is um going to be working on that plan and it just isn't ready yet. The state still doesn't like a two lanes coming off of they are they were insistent that it needs a left turn lane. Um but this was a a compromise. It's like at least give

us a shoulder there. Um so we're working toward that compromise. So let me ask this question. Maybe you don't know this, but a left turn lane. But what about southbound? Because I feel like that's just as people coming off of that. The southbound traffic's trying to get around them. So, they're just going to drive into that southbound. Well, the southbound's going through. I mean, if you if you're making a turn though, if somebody's turning in Yeah, but they're turning. They're not stopping to wait to turn. So, you mean they're turning right onto DA road? They're turning right onto DA. So, one of that was the plan. That was plan B. Um, that was plan B. Um, dot said, "Yeah, that's nice." But the real problem is the left turns um for the north brand because when you're making a right turn, you kind of just turn and get out of the way. You're not stopping waiting your turn like No, I get that. I'm just saying what happens because it happened to me today. Okay. Yeah. Is traffic swerves out and around you as you're slowing down to turn on to Dow. they swing out and now if there's there's a left turning lane into that they're gonna do that even more so well no I think well it's not going to be left I understand a spot for it I'm saying wider on the northbound they're more likely to do that I think it's just my yeah I mean and that's why the some of the traffic studies and the um the town's third party review said that it needs the right turn lane and the left turn lane weren't they already considering plan B anyways Who's they? Or was that like the compromise? It's like the state didn't like A or B. They wanted C. They wanted C. Yeah. But didn't I'm trying to remember when they were here before, weren't they saying B was kind of They were saying they were going for B and now DT has said, hold on. Don't waste your time. We're not going to Not at all. They don't want to turn four lanes. Uh, no. B was just the right turn. It's kind of

widening the southbound the Yeah, it provides right Exactly. Exactly. That's that's the only the only thing that it did is when you're waiting to turn left off of DAO, it gave you better sight distance. Yes. I was thinking that was the only thing that did the width. Um so what is C? C was the left turn lane. Um no C C was the $2 million plan. C was a real turning lane in the middle. Well, that would be nice. Yeah. Yeah. So that's C. I like that idea. It's very expensive. Do doesn't have the money. Yeah. Yeah, but nobody else wants to pitch in. Yeah. Guy building the $30 million buildings spend. Not $2 million, I guess. So, that's where we're at. Anyways, we will hopefully see that next month. Stay tuned. Um, and you already voted to continue it. Yes. Yeah. Yes. All right. I think we got some minutes we probably going to do. I don't have any comments on the minutes. They're perfect. None. Wow. Round of applause for the kitchen. Don't hold back. And I just want to say that is somebody going to make a motion. Before we do that, Adam's been reviewing the minutes in his role as secretary and I just want to thank him for that. All your service, Adam. Uh yeah no no you've had some you know very good input very good questions you know you know for all the drainage that stuff that's been nice having you on here so yeah you're required to appoint another engineer any co-workers that are interested in

being on living nothing to do on Thursday nights for her you do what's that you remember Kristen Hayden was on the board. Yeah, she's interested. Is she? Yeah. Oh, she should come back. She was really good. Yeah. And she's an engineer, so Yeah, she was very good. I'll talk to her. Yeah. I was sorry when she she had a baby and and her daughter's friends with my daughter, so Oh, a connection. Nice. Yeah, she was great. She was very good. Okay. See what I can do. All right. So, we do need a motion on the minutes. I just Sorry for the interlude. I move approve I move approval of the minutes. Second. All those in favor? I I abstain. I wasn't here. I motion I move that we adjourn. Second. All those in favor? I'll second. All those in favor? I That was quite the agenda to get out of there two hours. Yes. Share.