Planning Board - Regular Meeting

Going to bring meeting to order. I'm Don Buby 135 Road. Adam Sandall 9. Harry Min, community development director. Jeff Brown Hill Road. Can I just say our regular really great microphone is out of commission tonight. So, we're using a not so great one. So, if everyone can try to boost your voice and aim it towards this little guy. All right. Um I am going to do this a little out of order. We're going to do the um public hearing for the application 501-25. Brian Stacy LLC and Steve W. December a real minor subdivision approval application for lot adjustment between map 31 block 5 lot 21 and map 31 block 5 lot 23 located at 108 river and 14 we got u we all seven Okay. Okay. Okay. Uh name the survey to prepare the application. You guys want paper copies or Yeah, I think they have small zoom into things on the

screen if we need to. Uh what we're doing is really just a basic wall line adjustment between wheelers and LLC between River Road and River Road 3A and Bond Road. The wheel is have a kind of an odd shaped lot. It cut around the other lot that Brian Stacy owns. I had a strip that went all the way up to the river. So what we're doing is just basically taking that strip behind the Ryan Stacy model 21 adding that one the uh wheel a little bit more of a rectangular shape um drops the wheel down. Steep slopes the land and you do need to get state for that drop. So that's pretty straightforward. Just line opening track. Are you going to get the garage off the neighbor's propert? Well, it's really not very well. So that too. This is public So to the public if any we have to accept it's complete. Oh [Music] a motion to accept application 501-25 Brian Stacey LLC Steven and Deborah Wheeler as complete. vote. Trying to get out of

um now we're open to the public if anybody has any questions, comments, not seeing any. I will close the public hearing. Anything we need? Um there's a couple of minor um checklist items. the buffer strip. Do you have any concerns with adding the buffer strip as required? What's the concern about the north arrow? You have to have a magnetic and grid north. We're on grid north and we didn't put the uh magnetic north on. Well, it just shows a second arrow. I get to put that as a comment on most of the plans I review. Oh, I got them. point. I'm checking. Um, and then so from White Water, there's a comment. I don't think it's that important right now, but he just noted that there isn't any sewer in the area. There is water and if there's any changes that would affect that, we need to I think home is is connected because of snow. We just we started this with three inches of snow, then a lot of snow. There we are. So we'll make that I think for the purposes of the lot line adjustment that's more of thinking toward the future whatever may come in the future. Um there as far as conditions um there's the um state subdivision approval is outstanding those checklist items we talked about and then I had another little comment just there's a where it said new lot line to be abandoned. There's just a little Yeah,

there's nothing inconsistency there. So, um tidying that up. And you should also consider regional impact. checklist. Um, and then the stamps and signatures and the on the final plan. last year. Sorry, the stamps and signatures on the final plan and the conditions of approval listed on the final plan and there were no waivers just motion to approve application 501-25 conditions. items are included included as well as um approval stamps and signatures on the final plan as well as the conditions. um give you a few ideas. One, it is clearing up the an irregularly shaped lot that um looks like it might have gone through a garage. cleaning up that lot line. Um, it meets all of the subdivision and zoning ordinance requirements.

That's great. I'll second it. 10 minutes. It was me fumbling over my acceptance complete. Thanks everyone. Have a good night. Thank you. Used to be my fourth grade class many years ago. That's my favorite. I know they want to get rid of the chalk course. We can't chalk. Yeah. Yeah. Once in a while. I just get It's not going anywhere. All right, moving right along. Um, Amber Associates LLC conceptual consultation discuss proposed modifications to site plan 20322 located at 75 D Road. Good evening. Good evening. Good evening, Mr. Chairman, members of the board. I know this is a conceptual uh presentation, but we did prepare a few things for you. Just about to get to it. My name is Ari Pollock. I'm with the law firm of Gallagher Conquer. And as you said, next to me is Peter Properties. There's an old saying that if you can't tell your story quickly, you shouldn't tell it at all. We'll try to stick to those words tonight. In 2022, perhaps some of you were on the board. Then uh Amber was approved to develop a site off D Road with six new uh industrial buildings. The six new

buildings would be additional to two that existed. Uh and the project was or that existed and the project was split into three phases portion to three phases. Phase one consisting of two buildings has been built now and is occupied uh and open for business. Uh Peter's now focused on bringing phase two online uh for which he has a desirable national tenant lined up. Uh you might recall that uh some of the conditions of approval uh related specifically to phase two and in particular working with the town to propose an intersection package to DOT that they would find acceptable for the D road 3A intersections state road state intersection. Um if I could I'd like to just and again I'm mindful of my comments about being brief but I'd like to just around essentially the plans that we've come up with and then explain to them for you. Want to go one to gentle please. But all except you're done. Can you send one over to ginger please? And like I said this is a perceptual meeting tonight. So We'll get more formal as we move along. Everybody have one? Super. Um, what I've handed out is a three sheet plan set which has three different or competing mitigation options in the intersection. Each of them has a letter on the top right corner. That's how I refer to them. U the, uh, plan A, if you will, it's the most straightforward. It's the most affordable. It's the smallest

impact. It requires very minimal new right of way beyond what the state owns on 3A and what the town owns on road. And frankly, we thought we'd nailed it and we uh uh reviewed uh the plan with DOT and they said no dust. Uh and so uh they basically said that it would be insufficient to address some existing deficiencies. would be insufficient to address anticipated traffic from the project and uh you know future growth around the area generally. Uh and back to the drawing board they sent us they never formally ruled on that application. It's still pending in their system. If you were to ask them what the status is, it would simply say under technical review but they told us but they don't and I would just interject. I'm sorry. It was part of a u a driveway permit application that was filed with the state and this was the exhibit exhibit and for those of you who are familiar believe it or not for all of the process that they bring forward they still have a one-page application form. Uh and so that the town actually had to file that because the town was the applicant looking to address an intersection between the town and the state road. This a was the plan that went with that one pager. They put it through their process and said we don't like it. We don't love it at least. So, uh they directed us to try it again and plan B was conceived. been using our team of consultants, our experts, um working in coordination with the plan uh the the town planner uh the uh public works director. Um and we came up with this plan B that involved an acceleration

lane uh off of Route 3A and some widened approaches at the intersection. Uh and again, we sent it off to DOT and they said, "You're getting closer, but we still don't vote." Uh and specifically, uh what they said was, "Um, we'd like you to widen the stretch of Route 3A sufficiently to put in a southbound left turn lane as well as intersection widening." And um while it's not exactly what they were describing, plan C essentially shows what they were at least discussing with us. Again, the application would still reflect plan A, but we move from A to B to C. Um, the problem with C, and you might be picking up on it already, is that it requires significant new rightway. It's wider than the road is today. Um, and the state only owns so many feet of right away. And when you need more, uh you have to acquire it. Uh and the state was very clear with us that they had no public project at this intersection. They had no desire to um exercise emitted domain if it was necessary if negotiations with land owners couldn't be successful. And by the way, they have no money for us. So, uh we don't like A, we don't like B. We like something like C, but we're not going to help. We're not going to We're not going to do that. Thanks a lot. And just uh interject, sorry. Uh uh C involved, 1300 feet of pavement, w taking a lot of land, a a price tag well in excess. Forget about taking about

moving uh getting easements if it was ever to be and moving poles was well in excess of $2.5 million. So, and they weren't putting up anything and I would go home. I don't have that money. I do got one question about C. I see it shows a driveway going to the house lot there like which the other ones didn't have that. I think it's just a statement that with this width of right away would need to be rebuilt. Okay. Because Well, there isn't really, but that Yeah, but I'm just kind of curious how if if that was the state that wanted that there. No. That's the sign you put in. Yeah. I mean, they do drive through there, which is I've been watching it since it was filthiness. It's not a state. It I wouldn't read the plan to be specific about that. It was just a recognition that that resident needs to get in and out of there somehow. Yeah. Um and and you know, and frankly, I think those kinds of details we could all be flexible about. The problem was of course quadrupling the price tag from A to B to C with no help from the state that build this. So, and a major disruption and one that I would not even begin to consider. So, and they were I was clear of that. DOT, however, as we sit here today, they've got they formally have a in front of them, but they've told us that they're open to B. And what they would like to see, again, this is conceptual tonight, but what they would like to see is an expression from the town that the feels that B would be adequate to move the intersection in the right direction to accommodate and recognize this project to get phase 2 launched into the ground. Um we've talked with Steve Perna, our traffic engineer. Um plan B

has some significant benefits. It provides the deceleration lane for southbound vehicles turning into down road. Why is that a good thing? It gets them out of the traffic flow so that folks that are going straight can continue unimpeded. Which means not only can those cars go through without a delay, but folks that are stacking up there to take a left don't have to deal with deceleration of as many vehicles or traffic stacking of as many vehicles. There's there's a there's a free right, there's a straight, and then the left has less to compete with. Um I think we're we would we were talking about adding a stop bar on D road. I have to assume there's a stop sign. No, there is there's a stop sign but not a stop bar. And the reason is that the intersection doesn't really allow to put a bar where it would be appropriate. What you may have been getting at with your question about the driveways is there's a significant amount of drainage in town out there. The whole place once this proposal. No, plan B would address the drainage. So there there's other elements to it. Uh plan B would address uh the drainage issues at that intersection. And also by putting the del lane, it uh it it uh puts a little more focus on uh the intersection there. Uh right now you're basically up at the intersection, you know, I mean there's one on the road but so it would help delineate things would help sight lines there many benefits and uh not to steal uh Ari's thunder uh the last comment from the traffic engineer and I'll read it to you it's in the materials that

were provided when considering overall safety and protection of the traveling public is my professional opinion that Steve Perno who does this for a that the post post development conditions with this approval is far superior to the no build case. Basically saying is existing conditions without development. So he's saying this is a it's not a perfect it's not a lefthand turn lane. It's not a $2 million upgrade. It's not all the aggravation and the uh the likelihood that we couldn't get it done anyway. This involves uh just what Ari said and I'll just end it by saying the PE and we we look forward to talking to the other stakeholders meaning the property owners. We don't want to do that until we get an understanding here. But uh the reality is it's uh it's 700 square feet to make this work. It didn't uh we couldn't get it. We it would still allow us to to do this but uh engineering wise it's 700 ft from one homeowner uh 1100 ft from another and 300 from a third. So it's a limited amount. I'm prepared to deal with those stakeholders if they're reasonable. We could engineer this not to touch that, but this is a significant upgrade on the intersection. You have a sense of how this will cost uh you know, you know, any contract you sign today is uh the price is determined when you uh take delivery. I would I'm not trying to be a wise guy. It would be about 4

plus or minus $400,000. So that's basically it. So So this B plan though doesn't change lane width at all. On doubt it does it does not it widens out the intersection. Yeah, if you see it will it doesn't change but it widens out uh uh the intersection but it doesn't add another lane. It does not but you but it does it improves the traffic that is going south. Okay. And it improves certainly the traffic coming off the del lane. And the added benefit I'm sorry you know I know we should talking or I shouldn't be talking so much but by doing this it also improve and this is very important uh with the turning radiuses for the left-hand turn off of 3A onto DA road with what is uh uh uh proposed here with the uh del lane that actually improves the radi of trucks going from 3A onto D road. So it it it's really uh it is what it and it definitely opens up the sight line. Exactly. Right now it's one of the issues is everyone creeps up because they don't have sight. That's exact and that's why putting in a stop bar is a just for that reason is a plus. So this was conceptual. This really was we haven't been here for over two years. probably were wondering what was going on. Anyway, now you know the rest of the story and sort of impass. I've been hearing pieces of it on the business development commission. Well, you it it's a topic quite at most. Now you're armed and dangerous to give the next update. Um and uh and you know that we we need help bridging this

impass with the state and and you might say well how come you haven't talked to me about it or how come you haven't you know made this plan more public the reason is we don't know what we're asking for yet do is moving target they don't like A. They're not thrilled about B. They won't pay for C. So we're still trying to land on something that's workable for everyone involved and then there's no secrets. we'll go out and share the news and and ask for uh help. Um and we'll get what we get and we'll try to make what we get work, but we don't have anything to ask for yet because DOT's basically said no no no. But we're sort of hopeful with Ari's input and all the other uh I won't say pressure but focus we've tried to put on the do that you know they can't get that you know I'll go home before they do the 2 million because I don't it doesn't make sense. So this is very plausible and will really upgrade the intersection and we believe we can uh get reasonable heads at the uh DOT and we've had many meetings. I can assure you uh but I'm hopeful that Ari would be able to close the deal on B if the town is in agreement. That's really I'm going to go there with duct tape. So anyway, the intention was to keep brief. My buddy and I did our best. Y that's really the whole story. He was like C is obviously in a perfect world, but I also understand it's 5x the cost and much much much more complex putting stuff right on people's doorsteps. I personally personally would be

supporting certainly it is a vast improvement over exist now. Now, I noticed that you're in the select board, right? And of course, don't speak for the whole board. Um, there's one more piece of it which we will want to visit the select board about. Nope. We know you have a tiff district. We we we would appreciate whatever support could come from that. I I I Yes, that will have to happen at some point. But what I'm getting at is DOT is worried that if they were to permit option B or plan B, it wouldn't be long before the town started to complain that that upgrade is not working well. Um, and so what they're looking for, and I don't even know how to do this, Frank, but what they're looking for is some sort of acknowledgement from the the legislative body of the town, the select board, that that the board understands that we're not doing something as extravagant as C. B is an improvement. It's not perfect. It's not everything. And that the town understands that the state is not going to be standing around with this checkbook waiting to spend more. I I don't know how you do that. I don't know what would be binding about it even if it did. But they I think want some acknowledgement that we're not building C and everyone knows and the town isn't going to go after we do this and the town's not going to go and you know it's a limited district we're talking about. So it's not like there's going to be a lot more anyway. Uh they don't want the town to come back and say uh uh you know try to get the get that leftand turn link. I mean, I don't know how it's I don't know how it ever be binding because change two two fifths at a time. Yeah. But they've been talking about I

mean when I first came to B 38 years ago there was a there was talk about widening 3A you know the whole you know so I don't I don't see that. I do. I I mean I think what you're talking about here would work. I kind of like a I like the idea of having two lanes coming off Dow. Personally, I would not even that was one weird I would applaud your efforts if you wanted to try. But what they told us specifically was A is what's in front of us right now and if you were asked to rule on A, you would be denied. The town's application would be denied. No. And that's why I asked. I mean, this little strip of gray, is that actually showing what would get wider a little bit? So, there'll be a little bit more. Uh, you're talking about on a well. Oh, no. On B. Oh, on B there's Yeah. So, that would actually improve. That's the pay. You're going to get a little turn, right? That's the crazy. I mean, the other thing I'm kind of curious, which I watched happen on Tallwood Drive, has one lane coming out on 3A, but it leaves in two lanes and I don't know if that, you know, I mean, the white line the the the right turning lane there the other side is I guess would be in the breakdown lane of it, but that's what the traffic does and I'm just wondering if that would create that front. Well, there it will be creating some width at the intersection for sure on that down road side. I think you're trying to do that anyways. Yeah. I mean, I think even though there's I think they try to do that now sometimes. They do. They do. If you're trying to turn left coming out of the house, I've seen people or try to come around. And I know the the neighbor that's there in the barn that's older than 3A, I think that they turned into a garage that they obviously exit on the 3A. I mean, and it's and it's dangerous like they like they have no driveway permit there. That's why I

was kind of curious about that because it's it's wrong. My wife almost get hit there one day with some and it's and it's kind of and uh let me just say this. In our discussion with the state, they mentioned that too. I mean, I watched them clean the gave us the ability to improve that even more uh because they were so fixated on on the left turn lane, but they know about that. So, plan B, just to be clear, plan B stays out of that area because we can and if the state wants to do something about it, that's wonderful. But we've got enough. Yeah, that's not your problem, which I was just kind of curious watching. Yeah, it's a problem. So, uh, like I said, we're we're here to refresh your memory. Come back next month with a properly noticed, um, application to amend a prior approval. Prior approval, of course, none of this has anything to do with what was approved on site. It's all off-site approval related to the development. And what we're looking to do is generate the paperwork we need to show DOT that the town has seen the options, is comfortable with the U, and we can something from the select board that says, "Yeah, we're get it. Nothing's set in stone. We won't complain tomorrow." Um, I I I feel like we'll be able to get DOT to help us move the project, which would mean withdrawing the the current application, which they said they're going to deny anyway, and refile. I mean, so I I like the turning lane. I think would be sufficient. I don't know if anybody else in the board has I agree. It's an improvement. I mean, even if the any further development was done, something needs to be done with that intersection as it is.

I just got a quick um so I think I heard correct me if I'm wrong that you guys had Steve look at this and what he said was that plan B is a better option than plan A from a traffic perspective and that plan B represents an improve improvement over in traffic flow over the no build condition which is like when with you not building anything anything more anything more because he referenced existing condition. So existing condition is the two building the two new buildings he said again uh is far superior you you said that in a confused way. Let me just clarify the existing condition as Peter says it includes the two new buildings that were part of phase one. Right. Yeah. What's there right now is this. Okay. Question. Um would you be proposing any changes to the conditions of approval from the original approval? I don't know that we need to. I I think what we're looking for is just some sort of a a resolution or motion that the board uh understands that we're uh we're working now on phase two and endorses plan B as a reasonable traffic mitigation concept. I mean could could we ask I mean the one understand that it's an improvement over the no build condition but I mean it would be great if Steve could say that with the expected traffic flow through even like phase three because this has got to this has got to be like I assume that once we get beyond phase two that there's no I don't think that our

conditions talked about what happens so that's that is what he's saying what he's saying is the post development condition with this improvement is better with the development is better than today's conditions. You said what you wanted. You said what? Yeah. So all the way through phase three. Yes. Close the belt. Okay. Then you've got his uh I mean anything's going to be better whether through stage two and phase three is going to be better than now. You've got his letter. Yeah. Yeah. I looked through I I didn't understand it. Now I understand it a lot better now that I see the plan. I tried to include some background materials in the packet to refresh everyone's memory. So I put in a few not the whole thing, but there was a a lengthy traffic impact assessment from the original um application. I included basically a couple of key pages. The mitigation recommendations. They flipped through pages and then those and then the planning board um required a third party review of that study as well and so I included the third party review. Um and then there was also and Steve Fern did a little little he did an update as well in 2024. So I included that as well. And then I included minutes from the three meetings in 2022 where it was considered. So, try to look at those tonight or maybe spend some time before the full application comes in to refresh all of your memories on that. And let me interrupt one more time. Last thought, just to give you an idea about the project that's important, too.

Um, you know, it's in uh the buildings are in uh uh uh great demand. Uh I've got uh uh of the two buildings that are built already. Uh there's three tenants. So there's two 20,000 foot tenants and one uh and they're in one building and the other building is 26,000 square feet. They're all tenants uh that uh I brought here from conquer quite honest with you and and the demand for the other buildings as Ari said uh for phase two one of the buildings for phase two I already have a signed lease from a national tenant and I'm talking to a national tenant about another one of the buildings so the buildings are in uh uh uh great demand you know I couldn't be happier with the project and and the prospects in the existing four buildings just to give you not to bore you with too many details but in the existing four buildings I just signed well they were in there but they just signed a new Cintas took a 12,000 square foot building uh they had a smaller space they expanded they signed a 10-year lease uh another tenant from uh conquered uh signed a sevenyear lease for one of the original buildings. So the the project is in great demand and I think the other four buildings went fence to him. Excuse me. You still No, they moved uh you know what and uh let me just say they were uh I nurtured them when they were really small and uh they've outgrown the space and they moved out to both. They're still in both. They're still in both. But yeah, so none of the projects been great. We'll come back and see you. Thank you. Thank you for your time consideration. Good night.

Yeah, I was just going to say I would just encourage everyone to spend some time listening to material before the next meeting. Um, make note of, you know, in the recommendations, the the reason why DOT is asking for the left turn lane, it's warranted already before he built the first two buildings, it was already warranted. Um, and he's tripling the left turns that are going in there. So that is why DOT is looking for some sort of some acknowledgement from the town saying, "Yes, this needs a left turn line, but we're not going to do it." So that's Yeah. Unless because the state's not saying they want to kick in 20 helps us out. There's no money. I think the whole road. Yeah. I I alluded to this when they were here, but I think we need We need Steve to comment on whatever the final proposal. Yeah. Yeah, I know. But I trust I trust I trust I trust Steve probably more than our guy. I mean, he should look at it, too. But, you know, he's the guy. He's the traffic guy. You I I guess, you know, one of Mike is, you know, renaming the state road for the you know, yes, traffic's already bad. I mean, they're trying to put it one guy coming in and just attack, you know. Yeah. If the state was, you know, this needs to be done and, you know, looking at a portion of it, I would be saying, yeah, I think, you know, we have some tiff money to go in there's going to go in there and we, you know, make a nice road. But I just want to know that this is safe, you know, which I'm sure that he's going to say he already wrote in this thing. This is an improvement over the no bill conditions. It's definitely a compromised solution. Yeah. That's why because it's it's different than what was proposed. And so, you

know, I think like one pager just like this is this is going to work and it's safe. I think I actually have that and I didn't include it in the practice for next time. Where it is it, you know, how well it works is one is, you know, questionable, but it's a nice straight road. And as far as the, you know, the safety side, it's not like just curve. Yeah. You know, plenty of sight and plenty you know the sight and distance will be much improved by it should be there now Yeah, if you want it to be in, we can we'll just leave that. I guess some of the one of the questions I had was question talks about that president Americans very philosophical. No, you did actually say it. I know. I questioned taking that out, too. And I was like, I don't know.

This isn't the transcript. Yeah. And I don't know if I use the words did wrong. That was my intention to say, but I don't need to change that. Yeah. Just in line 241 where it said building a house there contaminants. I just sources contamin something like I know that battle uphill battle. Yeah. Do we want to include that? We were giving up. Yes. Yeah. Should we include that? line 382 maybe have we have to go back and actually listen to it but he said we we were aware this would be an uphill battle or something that regard yeah we'll go back and listen to get the wording right but I that's how I remember it also just 391 of the line where it

says you can just take out in terms of comparing the types of impacts. Actually, I think you should say different about wetland impact versus favor. I know. I watched I watched I didn't know that. Um Um, not just stuff. Um, I put in the save the date for the New Hampshire Planning and Zoning Explain Conference. I did a full day on Zoom, full Saturday on Zoom. I'm sure have a fun time, but in reality, there are some good educational sessions. Um, and you can sign up and go to parts of it or get the recordings afterwards. Um, but I don't know if I can do an 8:45 to 3:30 on a Saturday. This is the one that used to be a proponent, right? I think so. Yeah, it's been on Zoom since some things never since they just keep doing it on Zoom. Yeah, I need especially on a Saturday. Yeah, that's true. I've done it before. I think I did it when I first

it's in because they don't break it up at all. They just think you're just going to keep they give you like a five minute break and they just keep going like Yeah. Well, sorry. I wish I could. We recommend signing up and you'll get the recordings and you can watch that. There's a lot of sitting there all day. Um, the other thing I wanted to mention is I'm sure you've all heard by now, but all of the zoning amendments passed it on meeting. Um, so I'm stuck getting ready for next year, but in the meantime, we really need to dig into the subdivision and site plan regulations. I don't know if we want to schedule a special workshop to get through those. I know meetings and flow. Tonight would have been a great night to throw some in, but wasn't ready. Um the April meeting is pretty full. We got a lot of applications yesterday and today quite quite a stack. Um so I don't know if we want to try to schedule a special workshop so we can set aside the time to actually get those done or do you want me to just keep picking away at it and bring it to you when there? Well, well, what Do you want to start with one more than the other subdivision? I like so that we can be able to purpose in. Yeah, there's some other issues in there have come up lately, things that don't or that contradict state laws at this point. So, that's causing problems. Do we want do we like the first of May that first of May?

Oh, that's May. School vacation. Oh, it is school vacation. That's actually going to be hard to an offsite. Should we do an offsite? Then our regular meetings the 15th. Yes. Are we up for two weeks in a row to do the eighth and the 15th? Is that too much? What date? Depending on how many applications do you May 8th? Yeah. 15, right? Or we could do it sometime. I I know. I would rather do the May 8th than, you know, June 5th. Yeah, that's pushing out pretty far. Yeah, try May 8th. May 8th. That gives me some time to get I'm just stuck right to the housing appeals board for the flex trust property. So what are the next steps for that? Um so the town we have to collect the certified records. So we'll put together all like every material that was submitted all of the the minutes. um package it all up into a document and send it up and then believe they'll

schedule us a hearing or we'll be asked to have like a settlement meeting to try to figure it out with them. But the town's attorney will take it on a first time at the housing appeals board instead of court. before we close. Yeah. Did you just come to watch the show or anything? Well, I um heard that there were openings on the planning board and zoning board. So, I would advise or recommended to come to a meeting and see what it's all about. So, can you introduce Can you introduce yourself? I didn't mean to be so awkwardly sitting here. You're like, when is she gonna go? Can you just give your name and address? We're much cooler than the zone. You shouldn't come hang us. Are you related to Steve? Yeah, that's my dad. I was gonna say the maple mine with him lately. Do Do you guys have the maple sugar? Oh, no. My neighbor does. The neighbor? Yeah. Yeah. Oh, that was the other announcement I wanted to make. Thank you. You're welcome. Great job. Um, there was $12,000 in the 2526 budget to get the master plan process rolling. So, starting July 1st, we will funding available to start the master plan. It's the last plan was 2017, so it should be a 2027 plan, but got to get started now. Um, I'm actually meeting with the director of the regional planning commission tomorrow morning to

um just figure out what the last one. Yeah. Who is the director now? Mike Tardiff. Oh, didn't he retire? Well, he he might have. He's still there. Okay. Somebody told me that he retired. Okay. As far as I know. Um, so thanks for I hope I hope you