Metropolitan Planning Commission - Regular Meeting

How you feeling today? Reasonable. Bad arthritis now. We all get that, don't we? I was at a restaurant. So, I can't make a fist right now. I still don't have any grip. Miss Carla, you got the gavl. Okay, good. Good. Good afternoon. The time is now 2:00 p.m. I would like to call the Monday, April 14th, 2025 Boer City Parish Metropolitan Planning Commission meeting to order. Uh we'll have the invocation by Donnie and the pledge of allegiance by Colonel Hat. I would rise please with me. Our dear father, we just thank you for the many blessings that you've given to us to give us a great country that we live in and and how you protect us. And I just pray that you'd watch over us today and help us to serve the community in the best way and make the best decisions for our community. In Jesus name we pray. Amen. Amen. Amen. Good citizens, please join me in the pledge. I pledge algiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. Roll call, please. James Fine, here. Dave Haden, here. Ma'am Donnie McDaniels, here. Art Schult here. Jeff Thigpin is absent. Chris Turner here. Michelle Wallace is absent. We have a

quorum. Go ahead, speaker. In accordance with the Louisiana Opens meeting law, the Boer City Parish MPC asked for order and decorum at our meetings. Please silence your cell phones. For anyone who wishes to address the commission on any item on the agenda, we ask that you come forward, identify yourself for the audio record, and sign in. Speakers must address the MPC board at all times. For those that would like to make comments on an item, please limit your comments to three minutes on a particular item that is up for discussion. All other audience members are asked to observe the meeting quietly. If there's a need for an audience member to hold a conversation or take a phone call, you're asked to please step out of the meeting. All right, we need to amend the agenda to add a special election item for a chairman pro Tim for the Monday, April 14th, 2025 meeting. So moved. Who do we Who would we like to elect? Art Schultz. We have a motion by Colonel Haden. Second. Second by Donnie McDaniel. Please cast your vote. Motion carries. We need a motion to approve the agenda as amended. I'll make a motion we approve the agenda. Second. Motion by Donnie, second by Mr. Fine. Please cast your vote. Motion carries. All right. Due to the absence, we have elected Art Schultz as the may the mayor prom the chairman pro Tim for the meeting today. I will hand over to Gav. All right. Thank you, Carla. Hopefully, I won't need this. Okay. Uh Kate, if you would please call our first case. Okay. That's going to be C P L A T1-2025.

The application of Kurt Nixon, Nixon Engineering for Salone Sawyer, CCB Construction LLC, requesting a preliminary plat subdivision, unit number two, being 4.25 acres more or less, located north of Rossy Lee Drive and west of Long Street Place, Bojer City, Louisiana, City Council, District 1, Police Street, District 11. Hey, Kurt. Good afternoon. Kurt Nixon with Nixon Engineering. This is a small subdivision that continues the first unit we did on Rossy Lee. So, it adds 14 lots. This will be the end of it. So, that's all the property they have back there. Yeah, I think we all looked at this last month. Anybody have any issues on this? Uh this is a public hearing so anybody be welcome to come up and speak for against this application. If not I'll entertain a motion. Make a motion we approve Cplat Uh 1-2025. Second. We have a motion in a second. Please cast. That motion passes. Thank you. Thank you. You bet, sir. All right. And our next case, Katie. Next item is P Z9-2025. The application of Andrew Craig Mor Associates for Joe E. Ford, Sally Towns Ford, S. Bruce Easterly and Mary Saiak Easterly requesting a zoning amendment to change a zoning classification from B1 business commercial office to B3 general business for a proposed convenience store gas station on a certain tract of land being

1.768 acres more or less located in section 21 township 19 north range 13 wester Parish Louisiana police jury district 8. Good afternoon. Andy Craig with Warren Associates. Um, nothing much has changed on this application, uh, a resounding application since the preliminary hearing, but I'll be glad to answer any questions if y'all have any. Now, no questions, sir. Um, no, I think you pretty well answered our questions last month. I know it's a tight site, but you have no issues at all with the levy board or anything right now. We're we're staying off of their 25 ft that they've got on that side and don't have shouldn't have any problems at all there. So, okay. Very good. Any other questions from the board? Uh, this is a public hearing, so anybody is welcome to come forward and speak on behalf of the application. Yes, sir. You would just come up and register and state your name. My name is Craig Meyers and I live on Grand Lake, which is backing up to said location. had a couple of questions. One, the rain and runoff, is that going to go right down that willow shoot by you which backs up to our houses which is already a kind of a flood zone? Second question, will there be a fence on the back of the property? Um, possibly an 8ft fence. Circle K is on the corner of Swan Lake and airline. Now, Circle K doesn't have trash behind their building, but there's trash in the bayou or the shoot. Y'all call it a shoot up here. I'm from New Orleans. It's a bayou. So, the people in the parking lot just throw their wrappers in the parking lot, their cups in the parking lot, then the wind blows it into Willow Shoe. So, we need a

goodiz fence. The third thing I have is lighting. If you gone down Swan Lake at night, now there's a new gas station over there and it lights it up like a football stadium. I mean, you got And it used to be nice and dark over there. You had to dodge the deer in that area on Swan Lake, but they got this new So, how's the lighting going to be? And I just got this letter like a week and a half ago to notice that there's going to be a g, you know, we're reszoning from an office building to a gas station. Well, the office building is usually 8 to 5:00 Monday through Friday. Gas stations at least till midnight. Sometimes they're 24 hours. So even that's going to be a big change in that area and we have houses right behind it. So these are my concerns. Are you in Legacy on the other side of Willowshoot? I'm Yeah. Yeah. My back door goes back into Willow Shoot. Yes, sir. Okay. And um so you know I do know I used to run a gas station in Arkansas and um once a week once a month you clean the parking lot and when you're doing that you're scrubbing usually with Tide to get the grease and the diesel and the gas off the cement and that stuff has to run off somewhere. Now Circle K has a runoff in front of it. I'm hoping there's going to be a runoff in front of this one. My third my fourth concern was the lights, the fence for the trash, the rain run off is we only got this like last week. If I was going to really organize and get my neighborhood together, I posted it on the legacy subdivision. Nobody even got the letter, maybe one or two, and then most of them, even the people in the HOA, didn't know nothing about this. I think that, you know, we could have had somebody come door todo or send the letter out earlier. So, I could have walked up and down the neighborhood door to door, maybe get some signatures saying, "Hey, these are some concerns

that we have to look into. I'm not against the gas station. I just I know my three minutes is about up, but understand that, you know, it's on airline. It's a commercial strip, but my back door, you know, is that going to be a property value later on down the hill? I don't know. You know, I'm sure if there was million-dollar homes on that strip, we might consider a little bit different, but that's just a a thought. Very good. Okay. Thank you. Any questions for me? No. Andy, do you want to come forward and answer some of those questions before we bring anybody else up? I guess the first would be the drainage. Um because I we have storm water detention. We're not in a flood zone on that side. We're the engineer for Legacy Park, so I'm very familiar with that. And obviously not any flood issues over there. And uh a fence. We have the site plan. We have the photometrics requirements. They'll review that. We'll have to turn that in. So that make sure there's no light splash around. And also we've got on this side we got 25 ft of the levy board servitude. We've got the width of Willisu which I'm not sure the dimension on that but it's 50 to 70 ft. And then there's another 70 ft on the legacy side that is protected by the levy board servitude also. So it's going to be a long way from there. And then you got the backyards of the houses. It's going to be plenty of physical separation there. If necessary, a fence could be put up, but I don't expect any that um any problems there at all. Okay. So, uh, the lighting you address, drainage, storm water detention onsite, uh, and the, uh, fence if we require that. Yeah. Okay. Is there anybody else that would like to come forward and speak? Uh, if not, I'll entertain a I just would make one comment for the general. Today, we're just voting on zoning, though. There'll be another time when we

come in here, we start fine-tuning fence and drainage and and all this. So, this is somewhat preliminary, but you know, it does move the ball down the field a little bit. Sorry, Art. Go ahead. Yeah, no. I say there was some good points I think that were raised with the fence. I think I would agree with that. Certainly. Uh, stand a motion. I'll make a motion we accept P--D92025. I'll second. And just a clarification, uh, Carlotta, we'll see this again for final site plan. If they if they require any variances, we will. Okay. Otherwise, so if we want to include the requirement for fencing, we would now would be the time to do it to make sure it's included. We would highly recommend it because it's adjacent to residential. It's a part of the code requirements. So, if that's something they want to vary, they'd have to come back. So, it's something they're going to have to do anyway. Yeah. So, you're saying it's already required. That's right. Okay. All right. No requirement. Very good. So, do we do we we don't need to No, we don't need to. That's what I saw. We have a motion in a second. So, all those in favor. That motion passes. Thank you, Andy. I have one question though for Carla though. Yes, sir. He said he didn't get his letter for a week and a half ago. Is that do we have something that should be better or is that standard or where is that just to address that issue? Standard is 10 days. So we send out standard is 10 days. 10 days. We send it out 10 days before and we do uh have we show the homeowners association as a recipient. So but 10 days is standard. We also put a sign out on the property and it's also advertised in the Boer Press Tribune. Does that help you, sir? Well, not really. on the property. You can't get there from our

neighborhood. You got to come. Yeah. Get all the way around that area. Yeah. You have to come up to the Sir, if you would like to speak, come back up to the podium, please. I'm sorry. And Carl, one other question, too. Do we typically notify the HOAs when there is an HOA? No, but if it's a if it's a part of the property owner list, yes. But it it was they are listed on here. So, they were notified. Yeah. The HOA owns like 30 lots still or the uh construction guy owns like 30 lots. But um we come in through Swan Lake so we wouldn't even go there. It makes sense when you said that way. Yes, sir. I mean that's a whole another issue down the road, but we'd love to get a exit by Dean Point. Yeah. Right. Because right now if there's a fire up by the clubhouse Yeah. you can't get out the neighborhood. Yeah. We in the master plan there is a it's it's coming soon. So you That's what they told me a year and a half ago. My concern on the the road exit, and I know it's a total different subject, is the dump trucks drive right in front of my house. They dump their load, which is terrible on the neighborhood on the cement and everything, and then on the way out, they're doing this, driving down the street, seeing if they got another load, well, there's kids playing in the street. I love this neighborhood because the children ride their bikes. I'm from New Orleans, so we do wave our hands. They ride their bikes and the kids play in the street. That's what a neighborhood's supposed to be. And here's these dump trucks, you know, and if some kid runs out in front of them, they can't stop. But if they could exit on Dean Point, it'd be so much safer for the neighborhood. And I asked the fire department about it because, you know, I'm inquire. Shouldn't there be a second exit to the neighborhood in case there's a disaster in one section, you can exit the other one? Of course, some of my country friends say, "Well, I got a truck. I'll just go through the dirt. And I'm like, yeah, but that doesn't go

good on a Toyota Camry. Not all not all subdivisions have deal exits, but legacy is large enough. I know one is coming and one is planned. So, appreciate it. Thank you. Thank you. Good. All right, Katie, I think we're up to our next number three is going to be CLC17-2025, the application of Sam Gaseiad Pam American Engineering for L Engineering for Murphy Oil USA requesting a conditional use approval for the sale of retail sale of low content alcohol for off- premise consumption at a convenience store Murphy Oil USA located at 100 Benton Spur Road, Boer City, Louisiana, located on the corner of Benton Spur and Old Mendon Road, City Council, District 3, Pusher, District 9. Very good. Do we have the applicant present? Very good. There you go. You forgot. Hey guys, I'm Sam Gassad. I'm with Pan-American Engineering. Uh we're the engineer for Murphy Oil. We're requesting uh the sale of beer and wine at this location. I'd be happy to answer what I can. I don't have any. I think we kind of really probably expected it. Yeah. Yeah. So, very good. Uh, this is a public hearing if anybody would like to come forward and speak for or against the application. Again, this is the Murphy Oil. It was just built at Benton Road and Old Miden Road. Hearing none, I'll entertain a motion. Make a motion we accept CLC 017 2025. I'll second. I have a motion and a second. Please cast your votes. That passes. Thank

you. Next we have CPAT 29 2025 the application of Jacob Malone and Associates for James M. Brown Builder Incorporated requesting a preliminary plat Golden Meadow subdivision unit 28 been being 5.425 acres more or less located in section 19 township 17 north range 12 west Boer City Louisiana located at the intersection of Siggo Road and Bayou Drive city council district 1 police district 12. Uh Ryan Estus Railian Associates 4913 shed road here on behalf of Mr. Brown uh to answer any questions y'all have. No questions. Just didn't know that was back there. He has about seven lots left. Um I would note um on this on this preliminary plaque. One thing that we're working with the city on, there is a ditch, a concrete line ditch that kind of runs through lot seven and around to lot six, crosses under Bayou Drive and then through lot one to lot two. Do y'all see that? Yeah, that yellow line. Yeah. So, we're going to be working through a uh making sure that they have adequate easement. Um the the city, it's undedicated right now, but we're going to dedicate it to them. Um same thing with the levy board. The levy board kind of wants some some access. We we have a a means of access through lot five, but they said, "Yeah, we'll take we'll take lot one." So, I'm going to work with Ben, ensure that u that's shown properly and uh we'll be back through y with y'all through the uh final plat. Is the uh the gas rightway that 50oot rideway is that high pressure, low pressure? Can you build over it? I do not know. You can you definitely can't build over it. Uh what's going to happen? Is if you if you look at lot 7, the existing lot 16 that's to the north right right there. I think they uh I think that lot 16 is

going to purchase that. I'm not a 100% sure, but what what's that about? That's what' you say about lot 16. Lot 16, uh there's an existing lot 16 that's due north of lot 7 that's in the previous unit, I believe. Uh I believe they're going to come to an agreement and purchase that that entire lot seven. Okay. So, it's a vacant lot currently. It's a it's a vacant piece of property. Well, lot 16 has a house on it, but they're going to buy lot seven also. Okay. Okay. Okay. Gotcha. I understand that. And okay, talk about the 30foot private servitude. What is that that goes into the Flat River? Well, Mr. Brown owns property behind those um Mr. Brown owns property behind the um track. So, he wants to be able to continue to maintain uh access to that property and be cut off if not. And uh the levy board needed a place to uh get equipment in and out of. So if you look at it, it it's a 30foot private servitude of access in favor of Brown's property development and its successors and assigns and it's it's also going to be in favor of the uh levy board. So they can they can weave the way back there. Lot five, you've got the 100 foot levey board on one side, you got the 50ft guest right away on the other. What's the size of that lot that's remaining that's still buildable? Yes, sir. It's still buildable. I I put 60 foot um actually I think I put 50 foot from the building line over to the uh edge of rideway. So it's 50 or 60 foot there. I can't remember the exact measurement but it's definitely a buildable lot. I consider that when when platting that and you know of course it pies out so you got buildable space in in the rear. Any question? just um we see in the subdivision checklist that you're

wanting a waiver to the sidewalks. Is that correct? Sure. No. Okay. The subdivision have sidewalks. Yeah. Yeah. I Jacob did that and we will do sidewalks. No, no issues with that. Okay. And then um just On the lot seven and six, there's a 15 foot utility servitude along the frontage. Yeah. And and uh there's an existing uh sweptco rideway along the frontage and I I'm extending that ride ofway down to lot 16. What is it for? It's exist. I guess it's an existing swep. I don't know. We just we we had it in the the title works and we put it on the plat. I'm sure it's some sort of underground utilities of of some sort of nature. I the the if you on the opposite side there's overhead gas for swept coco is typically electric but so I'm unsure. Okay. Um, but you know, the the instrument was a swept go rideway. Uh, and it's overhead across the street. Wanted to make sure y'all knew that. Uh, existing overhead, large transmission type poles across the street. Um, but there's nothing we can do about it. They're brand new poles and they're not tiny. So between lot seven and Siggo Road, those small slivers of property that's just vacant parcel that won't be part of this. No, that's actually not even owned by Mr. uh Brown.

Okay. Okay. He he essentially is uh as what you see. Very good. Any other comments from the the board? No sir. This is public hearing. So I encourage anybody that wants to speak, please come forward now. If not, somebody's waiting for some application coming up. Then I'll entertain a motion. I'll make a motion we accept uh uh C-plat 29 2025. Second. We have a motion and a second. Would you please cast your vote? That passes. Just uh for clarity, Ryan, let's get with Ben on what that utility is so that we can have clarification on the plat. Thank you. Our next application, Katie. Hi. Up next will be CPU 30205. The application of Michael Kell Trail and Associates for Jefflo requesting a plan June development low marina phase 5 being 2.904 acres more or less located in section 14 township 18 north range 13 west located south of Marina Street and east of St. Lucy Street Boer City Louisiana city council district 5 police district 7. Hey good afternoon Michael Kelch with Railen Associates 4913 shed road uh here representing Mr. below. Uh he's he's putting or planning to put five office/warehouse buildings on this property. It's going to be similar to the eight he's done uh in this same area. And so here to answer any questions and Carla, I think the staff

has already reviewed from the exterior materials. We did and I believe u the property owner is in agreement that we'll need to have 40% masonry on the frontage and Mike and I will work through the building elevations. Yeah, that's right. That sounds good. Um any comments from board? Comment question. This is a public hearing, so if anybody would like to come forward. Yes, sir. If you Hey, man. Good to see you. Paige Redfield representing Hardware Resources. Our concern is that 4325, which is right beside the that plat, uh I don't see how they're going to get commercial traffic in there. That's a really tight tight turn. We have vehicles going off the road just up the street at 4310 all the time because they can't make the they can't back into the slot. Uh 4310. Michael, do you want to come up and see if you can't figure which exactly which one we're talking about? I can't either. If you look at page 12, you can see the building. You're coming in right here. Right. 4325 is this building. I don't see how you're going to get in that slot with commercial traffic. So, there's a um there's I don't know if y'all have the master plan. Yeah, let's pull it pull that up. Site plan. I was just showing the site plan there. Which one do you want? Yeah, I'm looking at the site right now. Okay. Go down to the next one as well. There you go. So, on the far right, top right of the page, there's an existing uh uh shared access for that existing driveway. I think they recently did a little bit of work on that driveway and

we plan on tying in to that shared access and we can do whatever modifications we need to do to to make sure that there's adequate room to get in and out and we'll run auto turn to to make sure that that the vehicles can I'm going ask Paige one question. Yeah, go ahead. the uh the [Music] turn if you're coming in off the uh if you're coming in off the right side. So, Paige, they can't make that turn. I guess you're saying they need to come in from the They would have to come in from the side to turn end of the loop. Yeah. You know, Marina goes all the way around, right? They would have to come in that side to make that turn. this other turn that's coming from the other side of Marina that's closer to RDL and the old party central party city. Yeah. There's no way they're gonna make that turn. There's just not enough. They'd have to dig up the culvert and and all the that access and make that axis really wide. Okay. I witness it all the time. People putting putting tractor trailers in the ditch. Okay, Paige. Thanks, Paige. Okay. So, is there anything that we I would just say, you know, we can we can run auto turn and and do what we need to do to that driveway apron and I don't know if y'all want to comprove approve it contingent upon us getting with city making sure with you know, city engineering with Ben that that that drive is is adequate for for uh construction or for you know the vehicle access. So there is room to improve that entrance to that access and to make the turn. I think they've

recently done some modifications to it but it sounds like they're still having some issues. So Okay. And did we hear that was a shared access? Yeah, that that's correct. Is that city owned or privately owned? I think I think it's privately owned. So our approval today of the putt would be um with the understanding that the the city may require additional improvements. That's correct that we'd have to you know get access approval from the city so they can review it. Okay. Is there anybody else that would like to speak? Not entertain a motion. Yeah, I'll take it. We'll make a motion to approve CPU 30-2025 with the second with the approval of the uh city engineer I guess Carla on that for the access. Approving the access. Yes. Did he the city engineer would need to review and approve the access point for this track? Miss Katie, can you add that in there? I sure can. Great. Thank you. We have a second. I'll second. Okay, we have a motion and a second. Please cast your vote. Very good. That passes. Thank you, Michael. Kate, if you read the next one. Okay,

we're going to have P MS42205 application of Ryan Estus and Associates for Sheldon Mccraine for a master development plan approval Brownley Cove subdivision being 10.802 acres more or less located in section four and five township 18 north range 13 west located south of Wimple Road and west of Brown Old Brown Lee Road Bojer Parish Louisiana Police District 6. Katie, if you would go ahead and read number seven, too, because um there it's going to be same issues for both. We'll we'll take separate votes. All righty. So, we have PLAT225204. The application of Ryan Essis Raley and Associates for Sheldon McCraine requesting a preliminary plat being a planned unit development for Brownley Cove Cove being 10.82 82 acres more or less located in section four and five township 18 north range 13 west located south of Wimple Road west of Old Brownley Road, Bojer Parish, Louisiana Police Cherry District 6. Ryan Estus, Railian Associates, 4913 Shed Road. Uh here on behalf of the U property owner to answer any questions y'all may have. Ryan, are you familiar with the parish comments? I haven't received any parish comments. There's quite a few. Well, there's a bunch. Okay. Well, we can go through them. Yeah. Okay. I think um where do we want to start? I guess the the first thing comment would be and it might be helpful, Katie, if you can bring up that plat. Is it Are they on the master plan, Caroline? The master plan? They're just on the regular written statements, Katie. Right now, when you come in, the street is on the north side adjacent to the subdivision to the north. One of the parish comments were to flip it and put the lots on the north side and the street on the south side alongside

Providence Academy. That was uh as I recall back in when we were discussing the original um the original master development plan um that the property owners to the north wanted the street backing up to them. It doesn't matter to me one way or the other. I don't think it matters to the property owner. Um eventually it's going to do the same thing, but it doesn't matter if if the Wimple Crossing wants it one way. I mean, we Yeah, that would definitely have to be reconciled because I think you're right that the residents did express a desire. I mean, those rear yards in the back, I think they're 11 foot offsets. So, you know, this is a buffer area, but um either way is fine with me. And another comment was the requirement for sidewalks and sure and the riderway width I think was a concern too. The rideway width the rightway width uh was that wasn't that less than 60 ft. That's correct. This is a pud we're requesting 50. It's what's been done in uh Wimple Crossing to the north similar to uh the exact same as what we've done in Wimple Crossing to the north. So, is it 60? It's 60. That transitions to 50 when we when we get to the court courtyard homes in the rear. And all the utilities are proposed to be in the front. Correct. So, that would be water, sewer, gas, electric. Yep. Storm sewer. Water, sewer, gas. Everything's in the front. Um the public utilities will be in the rideway. the private utilities will be on um private I think a gas stays in the rightway though but electrical and um those utilities will be in the front or requested to be in the front similar to the crossing at

Wimple. This was supposed to be an extension of crossing at Wimple. Right. And um just remind us too on lots 10002 and 1003 green space. Green space. Green space. We have some off streetet parking. Um 1002 to 1003 uh was a uh there's a ditch coming through that property. We're going to collect that ditch. Um it was running on to the uh prop to PCA to the south. We're going to collect that ditch, put it into the detention p uh detention pond and then route it southerntherly. We worked out those drainage details with uh PCA and he's he's planning on putting a some brick columns there to denote the uh the entrance to the courtyard home sections. So yeah, this this is a putt. I mean, if you look at it, nothing standard in here. We have a um piece of property that is um it's pretty tight in order to get um in order to get the uh double lots on the back. We're planning courtyard homes 0 foot sideyards uh similar to what you would see at the entrance the crossing at Wimple right when you come in. Those are actually smaller lots than these. Uh I think those are 40 foot wide 44t wide and these are larger. The parish concern on the smaller lots was that um just as in Wimple crossing crossing Wimple that they back cars can actually block the sidewalks or in some cases even or extend into the street. Um we're we're doing the exact same like I said the exact same thing we did in crossing at Wimple. 15 ft um 15 ft garage setback, 10 foot side or 10ft

building setback, meaning you can have a building closer to the street, but your garage has to be farther away. Uh when we did this originally in the crossing at Wimple, we presented exhibits to y'all showing where the driveways can be and and things like that. Um, and that was the original u intent and we can, you know, show site plans and building plans and, you know, when we get to the police jury to ensure that they're okay with it. David, I think you had a concern, too. I I do. Uh, we're probably not going to be able to get a school bus in there. We're not going to be able to get a school bus all the way back to the back and try to turn in that culde-sac. We have parking in that culde-sac, I believe, outside of the normal radius. And you know, our buses actually slip over the the curves. So, well, good. I got some pavement there for you to run into. Rule, we do not go into culde-sacs and general rule. I've made that perfectly clear with the eight years that I've been here trying to get school buses into culde-sacs has been a problem. That is a great thing to know. Yeah. And so we have uh we've moved stops and on this one I'm concerned about having a school bus stop out there on I think it's old Brownley with the car traffic. And so the other thing that I have a concern is don't you have 12 parking spots planned community parking spots but there's a requirement for 22. No, no, no. I have way more than that. Uh let me take a look at your I see there was No, you're right. I I got six and six was just 12 and it was one per 10. Am I correct car lot on that? Yeah, that's right. One per 10. So that's 12. So I should I can get up to 120 lots on that. Okay. You read I thought for some reason I Oh required I'm showing 22. So what is correct? What I'm reading or what he's

saying? Look at page uh three. parking visitor parking. Yeah, I see what you're saying. I just want to know what the answer is. I think while we're doing that, too. Um Eric, I'd like you to come up, too. I know you've got Eric Hudson. Yeah, sorry about that. No, behind you. Different Eric for now. Different Eric. Yeah, just for now. Yeah. And we'll get back with you, Ryan. Yeah, you might better express the concern to the parish. I know with asphalt versus concrete streets, sidewalks, lot sizes, those types of things. Yeah. Um, you know, we've talked with Carla and and and this one as well. Um, with Mr. Marcia, you know, this this if it was a continuation of the crossing at Wimple, maybe it it's something you see uh try to finish out. But this is actually a new unit. Um, it's got its own issues. as far as you know, street widths, rightway widths, utilities all crammed in the front. I mean, these are city of Boer water and sewer utilities. I don't see any of their comments or approvals. Um, you know, putting all the utilities in the front with these small setbacks in these homes is just not something that we've seen um is something that it may be great in the short term, but for us when we go to work on stuff and they're all piled in the um all piled in the rightway. And I didn't hear Ryan say that these would be in public right away. I don't know if they're going to be in dedicated utility ements. That even presents more of an issue for us. So, uh, you know, my crews can't get in and work on this type of stuff with these asphalt streets. It's small and compact. It's one way in, one way out. I mean, if this was to go forward, it would all need to be concrete streets in this unit. Uh, for sure. Mr. Marcia

wasn't crazy about the driveway up against the back of the homeowners. I don't see any landscaping. I don't see I just don't see We did not see anything in here that would justify the putt. I mean, normally when you do a pud, they're giving something for red for to reduce density. I don't I don't see any landscaping. I don't know what type of trees they're going to put along roads, fences, and so like I don't know if we're I mean, zoning, we've we've approved zoning. Uh but as far as a putt, I don't know that we're ready to to recommend approval of a pud for this. So, based off of what we've seen. So it just is all crammed and compact and this ground's not really good to work in either. So that's kind of where the parish is on it. And um landscaping being uh common area landscaping or or Yeah. kind I mean like you said he's going to put the road right up against the back of these people's houses if that's fine if the crossing at Wimple doesn't have any issues with it. Uh we just think that it would be better to be on the other side of the road. Ryan said he didn't have a problem with it. So, um, he says they said they wanted the road up against the back of their houses. I don't remember that in our preliminary meetings that we had, but maybe I maybe I maybe I misunderstood that. So, if it was, but our main concern is is it's um reduced rightway widths. He's cramming everything in the front. Um, and so I don't know why we would vary our standards to allow that to happen. So that's where we were on it. Any other questions for Eric? The It was asphalt streets. I'm I'm not sure what he I I just He was probably going to put asphalt in uh on portions of it outside of intersections, but um again, that's that's problematic for us, especially with all utilities in the front.

So I guess the And I'm just kicking this out. The um when you have the larger lots, um I think you've got more flexibility there in terms of uh making the street wider and utilities can some utilities can go in the rear, some can go in the front on those longer lots. That's right. Yeah. And and I guess um Ryan I guess just a matter of economics that he's trying to get more lots on there than I know when you when you when you split it up with the street in the middle and and the lots on either side, you're sacrificing a lot of that distance that you could could have. So I mean sure yeah you know that's it's it's offering a different product. you know, not everybody needs the standard, you know, and not everybody wants that standard lot size. Um, some people want the courtyard homes. They sold well in in in the crossing at Wimple. Um, so, you know, that's just a different product for a different person. Um, and and that's okay. And people people want those. People want uh the the intent of it was if you look at Crossing at Wimple unit one, when you go in, it's the first houses. Have y'all all been in that neighborhood? Mhm. So when you go in, it has the courtyard homes directly on both sides of the road. They have essentially no front door. You walk through a a courtyard into the house uh and you see, you know, it's an open air courtyard. The intent was the exact same thing here, except what we wanted to do was to get larger courtyards on the side. So that's why you have zero lot line with a party wall, uh a brick party wall, uh similar to the crossing at Wimple. Um and you'll be able to just a larger porch on the side. Now, uh in respect to the the pavement, um we'll follow parish ordinance. The parish ordinance says concrete, we'll follow we'll use

concrete. If it says asphalt, we'll do asphalt. Now, as a part of the put, they may request something and we'll take that into consideration when we get there. um at that time. So, you know, landscaping, I don't think the developer um or property owner mind adding the additional landscaping. If we have parking concerns, we can address that, too. Um you know, we were we were above and beyond um what I considered the one and 10, which is what what I was always been told. Um, but if we want if we need to add a few parallel parking spots like we had on our original putts middle to y'all, um, we'll go back and add a few of those. No big deal to us. Okay. And at the crossing wimple, was there individual um, lot lighting? I can't recall. I can't recall either. A yard light. I can't recall either. No, sir. So, we just proposed street lights. Yeah, we're going to have to have street lights for sure, but I don't I don't recall um if it was if they have individual lanterns. No, let's um let's pause while I open it up for other comments and y'all can ask them about which side they want the road on and we can revise the plat accordingly. Uh this is public hearing so welcome for anybody to come up just ident and identify yourself sign in and my name is Lewis Lambert. I live in the crossing at Wimple. Okay. Across the street from where this is going to be not not directly behind it. Um I have two questions. Um, the first one is Could you put the the street back up?

If you look at where the retaining pond is. Okay. Directly to the north of that is Elder Development, Elder Care Development. Directly to the south of that is the school and directly to the east of that is Magic Star Properties. When that retaining pond fills up, where's the water going to be drained off to? Okay. The second question is if you look at the street behind the crossing at Wimple which is at the very top. Okay. It looks to me like that the street is within inches of those people's fences. That would be the rightway itself. The street would be within that rightway. So the street would is there a rightaway? Yes. the street would not be touching. H how how far away will the street be from the from from the from the back of somebody's house? Because based on what's up there, 30 feet 30 feet at a at a minimum or at a a Okay. Well, if you if you take if you take the street and you come 30 feet away from the fence, okay, the numbers don't come out. There's 200 I think there's 202 feet in width. I I don't think you can get the numbers in there. If you look at if you look at the large lots, they're 142 feet. That's what plus 60 is 202. I'm sorry. 142 plus 60 142.5 ft. Then you'd have a street and then you'd have 30 more feet.

Is that what you're telling me? 60 foot. Ryan, you want to address that and show show them the numbers? Okay. So, I know what you're saying. Here's what's going on. You got a 60ft rideway. You got a 25- foot street in the 60oot rideway. 60 foot rideway. 60 foot rideway where he's discussing 20 foot 25 foot wide is over 25 foot wide. Yes. So, there's a 60 ft rideway, 25- ft street. That gives you 35 ft of extra space. On each side of the street, you got 17 1/2 ft. 17 and 12. Okay. So, from the back of curb on the north side of the road, you're going to have 17 1/2 ft to their uh the fences that back up to uh crossing at Wimple plus the 11 ft. That's a set back in the crossing of Wimple is 28 1/2. I round it to 30. Okay. Is that what that shows on that map? Yes. Okay. Let let me just let me just ask a question. Sure. That's the fence line. That's the street. No, that's the right way. The street The street's not shown on that. Can you go to the next one? It's in the middle. The ride ofway. Yeah. Go to the next one, Katie. Um that's the street. Go to page 17. There you go. And this should better dictate where the street is. Yeah. Yeah. That you can see it on that one. Yeah. There you go. You can see it. Scoot it up a little bit. Oh, yeah. That one right there. Yeah. I mean, I understand the street in the back part, but I don't understand the street in the front part. Well, just scroll down there. Green is the front part there. That's the back. This is the right way. This is 17 and 12 ft right here. Yes. Okay. And then you have the rear yard.

Where where's the runoff from that? It goes out to the south and to the west across. It's going to go out into a ditch that we're constructing on the PCA's property. You gonna go through the school's property. They were well aware. the the the the reason I was asking about the the the water is because that area floods. Okay, I've got a picture where most of the people in our neighborhood are very concerned about where that water is going. This is May the 6th. Mhm. Two days after a rain, it took another nine days to get the water out of there. So, our concern is if that pond fills up, it's going away. Make sure it's going someplace other than back to it'll go away from Yes. Thank you. Okay. Very good. That's governed real strict on new developments. Now, I say it's governed real strict on new developments now. where water goes is a okay and Mr. Hudson will vote will vouch for that. I know that's a that's a big concern. Thank you very much. Oh, did anybody else would like to come forward and speak? Okay. Well, I'm I'm I'm guessing most of the people here are from the crossing of Wimple. Is that right? I live in the crossing. Yes. Just three? Okay. Well, I don't I can't get a consensus there, but I was going to say, do you want the road against the back of your neighborhood? That's one thing, too. Most most of the people that live on that side of the street are working. I'm retired. Okay. Okay. Are you okay with the street on the north side or do you want it on? We're fine with with the w with what the builder wants to do. As long as that

street is not right behind those people's houses, there'd be a green and there's a a a uh a real plan to get the water away from that area that's not coming back across our property. We have no problem with with with with uh with Jeff dealing with that area and building houses. That that that's not an issue. Okay. Very good. Okay. and and and like I said, we can plant additional landscaping as a part of the putt if y'all want to uh you if y'all want to say, you know, a shade tree or some sort of other green I think shading trees that I think down that corridor and that's fine against the neighbors and that some landscaping would be and and that's fine with us. You can put a you know every 50 foot put a one a lot or whatever. Most of the people that live on that at that fence line are not aware of that 17 feet. I talked to all of them last night and today I think it's right up against their fence. Yeah. Ba based on what's on the website. Mhm. Their idea was it's coming right to their fence line. Got. And I don't think any of them would be upset with the fact that it's a 17 foot with some landscaping also down it. If you think about it, um it's about the same. Um because if you flip the lots, you're probably going to have what's my rear setback? 25. I It's either 25 or 20. I don't remember what it is. But if you added the 20ft rear setback plus an 11t rear set back on theirs, that's 31 ft. Yeah. So, it's really not that different than what they have there other than you're going to have kids, right, and playgrounds and swing sets and people in their backyards playing the TVs. That's having an 11 and 1/2t set back in the

existing unit. So, that's why we put it on the south side to to keep that noise away from the residents of Crossing at Wimple. And we have no problem with your building back there. Okay. As long as that flood water is going the drainage will be handled through with drainage impact. Okay. Thank you. No problem. What works? And on the south side you're proposing an 8ft wood fence is what I'm seeing on the plans. Correct. An 8 foot board fence. What is uh what's the entire length of that property? 200 I think it's 204T mean 2,000 ft. Width of the whole Oh, the the entire length. Oh, I'm sorry. Yeah. Yeah. Uh I don't I don't remember offh hand. Um you can you can look on the plat. It should be it should be labeled. I just curious cuz kids are going to have a long way to walk. Yeah. And and and it's look, it's a unique uh it's a it's a challenging uh piece of property. You know, the the two uses are this. Okay. So the we tried to go through the with the cross and get one point. They said they didn't want to be a part of they didn't want this piece of property to be a part of their community. They said no. Uh so we said, "Okay, well, we'll have to go across the bayou then." So we went across the bayou, changed the master plan, changed the pl uh the plan unit development plan. Um we can add the landscaping back. Uh add some additional parking if y'all need it. That's that's fine with us. Um and then uh I kind of lost my train of thought, but it's a unique piece of property. So the two uses are here. It's either you can you can either be tag on to crossing at Wimple which they said no the school could purchase it school's not interested or it could it could it could go back to B1 so you could be commercial back there um because this is about the only which way that this will this

property will go into commerce I've run numbers um who currently owns property Sheldon Mccraine McCraine McCrainy I think it's McCraine but it it's about the only way that the the property will be developed unless unless you go and and and run commercial and I'm sure the crossing of Wimple is going to have a fit about commercial back there. So those are your two options and I think this is I think this is a viable option. I think we have a good plan. Um I think we have home plans that we can put on those courtyard homes. Uh and it's not anything that we haven't done in the past. It's it's been done in the crossing at Wimple. Same rideway whips. Same type of utilities, Boer City Water, Boer City Sewer. Um you know, it is a little bit more difficult of a site. Um but you know, it's it's no different. If you looked at uh the average lot size in this development compared to the last unit of unit four of the crossing at Wimple, I I bet these lots on average are bigger when you add them all up and then divide the property out. There would be pedestrian access into the crossing at Wimple. No, sir. They didn't they didn't want any pedestrian access. I mean, we we wanted a full-fledged access into the crossing at Wimple. Um and was uh it didn't go anywhere. Miss Carlotta, did we get an answer whether it was 12 or 22? Yes. Um yes, it's it's one per 50 lots. So one per 50. Well, 10 and they have more than what's required. Yeah. Also, there's a waiver request for sidewalks in this one as well. He's filling that out wrong. I don't think he knows what he's doing on that. There's No, we will have sidewalks. Uh we're going to have sidewalks and if we if we want to space the the parking spots that we have um

shown uh throughout the neighborhood like I have six shown there and I have six shown at the mail kiosk. If we want to make them three or you know four four and then put some parallels up on the road. Um we'll do that also. So it's 10 parking stalls per 50 lots just for clarification. So sidewalks are going in, street lights are going in. I'm gonna have to talk to Jacob. Sidewalks, street lights. It's going to look exactly like the crossing at Wimple other than it's not sharing an access same access. We have to go over the bay. All right. And then are youable to the concrete streets? I I I don't feel like I'm going to have a choice on that. Okay. I feel like the parish ordinance is coming down and by the time we get construction plans handed down honesty because it's you know but we will maintain whatever the parish ordinance request and I and I and I think that's or whatever the port parish ordinance requires and I think it's going to require concrete. So the 20% reduction in lot sizes he's still asking for that. He's still asking for that that and the 20% reduction lot sizes mirrors the crossing at Wimple. Yes sir. I I actually think like I said I think these lots if you were to look at the last unit in the crossing at Wimple. I haven't done it but I just happen to know the you know I know the sizes of them. Uh of course the the backs are uh a little bit smaller but we have large lots in the front. So the intent was your standard, you know, 65 foot wide, 140 foot deep lots at the beginning and then we go to a mixtype unit. If you look uh in the middle right where the the curve of the street starts happening, they're wider so they're even larger um with the with the courtyard. No zero lot lines. And then when you when you hit the green uh the green space which is lot 1001 10002 that's

when we're going to go to the courtyard homes with the zero lot lines that we mimicked in unit one of the crossing at Wimple except larger larger sideyards. So there's also a 10% requirement for open space. So at 10 and some change acres that would be an acre. Yeah. 1.08 18. No more than 50% of that can be used as detention. So I guess there's a request to wave the open space. What's that in the very in the very front? Let me see how much space because I I don't have the the space off hand. That's 008. That's 005.05 1.04 and then 1 I mean 64. So we're just a little shade under it. If you ex well, if you include the detention up front, if you include 50% of detention, then we're good because the the upfront portion is uh um not detention. It is by you, but it's not detention. So, the smaller green spaces like lot 10002, 10003, would you consider that usable? Like the residents could actually use it? Okay. But they but they could not use lot 1000. I think they could use lot 1000. We could do some sort of amenity up there. I mean I the way I buffered it. If you look there's the the 50ft levy board easement that's going to be across the property. We made sure to stay out of that. Um but yeah I think uh I think there's some sort of amenity that we could do up there. Suggestions. I would strongly encourage that. I think we're open when you get to the parish level. I think you're gonna probably need to do something like that. Propose something there. That would be a community asset. Whether

that's Yeah. And and we'll work with the uh the police, Mr. Marcia, on on exactly what he thinks uh he would want there. Mail delivery. Is that going to have to be a central kiosk? Where they're in the green areas? Uh where those parking spots are? You know, I have six, like I said, I have six parking spots there. Okay. Um, you know, I have in 101 I have six parking spots and I have six parking spots in uh the mail kiosk back by the detention pond. But if we need to lower that and put some parking spots elsewhere, we can kind of, you know, I don't mind putting them at up along like parallel parking, remove some of those and move them to the streets so that that lots one through um I don't have the lots number, but one through let's say 18 have some some off- streetet parking or on street parking near them. I mean, this is going to be a pretty um it's going to be a pretty unique development. How about that? Oh, there's no doubt. It's a challenging site. It is a very challenging site. I think residential I can't see it being any other use. I can't see it being a commercial use there. Not with the residential adjoining to one side. So, I mean, it's probably the highest and best use to try to get uh everything in there that's needed. I think if um what we're talking about would be concrete streets, the addition of sidewalks, the landscaping on the north side of the street between the crossing at Wool. Do y'all have any and some sort of community asset there in the front? Sure. Works for me. Probably make it work. Do do y'all have any I mean do you want me just to get with Carla on the landscaping on the front or and then I just had one other question about the intent for the brick columns. It it's just to note kind of like entering a new

product which is the courtyard homes. Okay. Well, we're not against this development but it is going to be a challenge to fit all this in the front of these homes. That's going to be his responsibility to figure that So, I want it to be clear that he is asking for a 50-ft rideway that's 10 foot narrower than we normally require. Okay? And you're going to approve a PUD that we may not be able to work something out on when we when he gets to us. So, understand I don't have any concurrence from the city of Boer that they're okay with their water and sewer being in the front jam-packed with my drainage and all these utilities. And then you're going to put sidewalks on both sides of the street and jam the houses on and nobody's going to be able to use the sidewalk when a car is parked there. So they're going to be out in the street. So if you're going to approve a pud, at least let's think through all this stuff before we approve it because I don't think it'll all fit from house to house. Again, we have no problem working with Mr. Mark Siglia uh on what he thinks is passed on that. He has 11 other people's too that he has to get through as well. And and keep in mind we're, you know, keep in mind we still have to get approved by the the Bojer Parish Police Jury. So, u if they shoot us down at the at their level, that's that's their prerogative. Yeah. And Ryan, I will say, I mean, Eric is right. I mean, typically when we approve a PUD, we've got a lot of these details come to us and they're already worked out. I mean, so there's a big unknown with what would be approved with the utilities. Well, again, I I go back to the cross and get Wimple. It was all and and it may be, but that development has been a problem for us with everything crammed in there and the sidewalks are right on the street. Nobody can walk on them and it is a problem and my predecessor would tell you that. Again, we're we're following the crossing at Wimple, which was a very

successful development, which doesn't mean that's perfect, though. Yeah. But that's just the front section. And it's not all 50 foot crammed in there like the first section that you come into. I'm just pointing out to you and we still didn't work out the school bus issue, but maybe there won't be any kids in there. Um and so I don't know where the where how you pick I guess I don't know what we'll do. Yeah. The init the initial stop will be on the street, Eric. Yeah. And and that's fine if that's what if that's what y'all want to do. So um I do it just there's a lot of unknowns and there's not a lot of answers yet. So, I just wanted y'all to be aware of that and go on the record that if we approve it and it goes to the police jury, you know, we have a lot of things to work out that are normally worked out prior to this and we're we're okay with that. Neil Irwin, your attorney, there is one question that I had raised since we've heard this before. If you're in a 50t 50 foot street rights away and you heard Ryan say we may or they may want some on street parking. I just raised that as to whether that might be a um doable or not. And if it's not, I think that ought to be raised now as a condition on any approval of a put. That's just a suggestion. We we would not put it in the 50- foot ride ofway. Uh where the where it bends south or where the where the the road S turns south. It's a 60 foot on the east side and a 50 foot on the west side. So we would make the 60 foot um where the on street parking is the parallel parking and they would be up against the uh the the neighbors of uh crossing at. So they would have a parallel parking spot there with some landscape islands and those sorts of things. So I guess

Ryan, you'd be taking a risk. So if the uh utilities are required to to move to the rear, then what would that do to your whole plan? We'll have to figure that out when we when we get there. Um essentially if if utilities were being in the back um were required to be in the back without the PUD um or without the variance given at the police jury level. Uh we'll have to come back to y'all and uh work that out and we'll have to have a resubmitt and a repud and everything back to y'all. But again, we're just following precedence that was you know that was done in the crossing at Wimple and that was the intent. Okay. Gentlemen, I'll defer any questions or do you have any? Yes, sir. My name is Mike Hopper and I live in Crossing at Wimple and a lot of this is all confusing and I'm not stressing about these guys do do fine work. I just have some questions from layman's term. I was here when when they talked about that subdivision that's going between a and Old Brownley Road that they're currently working on. There was great concern about curb cuts of exits from that subdivision coming out onto Old Brownley with the school and that now we're adding a curb cut in Old Brownley for this new subdivision. What I've heard rumors of a roundabout going to be on counter of of outside of our subdivision or somehow rebuild that intersection. What is the traffic plan or is there are they going to alternate any traffic on Old Brownley in any way now that we're about to put that many more houses coming out of there? Yeah, sir. I think um Eric would

be able to answer that. Art, is that is that okay if we back back up at Wimple? Oh, at Wimple and Brownley. Uh the city and the parish are working on that intersection right now um to try to figure out the best way to attack that. I think Ryan has a client that's going to help us with some some rideway constraints. Uh we may signalize it. It's probably most likely what'll end up happening. Um as far I'm not overly concerned about a what do we have 60 homes run? I think it's less than that. Yeah. 50. So, I'm not we're not concerned about a traffic issue with this particular neighborhood and um you know, we have some the the Folio development was uh is there too, but um you know, they had a traffic study. The majority of their traffic's going to airlines. So, and the PC traffic is is it now off the street? It is. Uh they're going in I think they're going in a different way. I haven't gotten any calls about the school traffic in quite some time. So, I think their new entrance is going to help a lot. And then, you know, we're still, like you said, the parishes and the city uh together build the east west roadway, which will help a lot of traffic um go that route as well. So, that was my other question is there was discussion of an east west road across there. Is that progressed any? It is. It's progressing and we're we're we're we're starting on some surveying uh as we speak. So, um, we're going to move that forward with or without the state. And so, we're working we're working to move that forward. That's south of PCA. Correct. It is south. Yes, sir. Not too far south, but just south from Benton Road to airline from Benton to airline and then airline to continue on airline to Swam Lake. And so, okay. And the only other thing I have is, and it was really for you, you mentioned the compression of your utilities in the front. I live

on Stacy and so far the only issue that we've had with utilities being compressed is the order that they put them in. Uh used to work in this a little bit. The deep guys come in their gas electric and all that. Well then cable people didn't bother to put it in when there wasn't wasn't any houses there and they had ample opportunity to do so. They said we need people to live there. So once I got people in there, then they come in there and start boring. And that's when they had all the utilities crossed there. If they'd have put that stuff in before their houses were put, that would have alleviated at least that. And you guys are engineers and you know all that stuff smarter than me. But from a layman's part, I'm standing there and got water fountains going every place because the cable boring guys clipped everybody's. Yeah. But but as far as that's a but anyway, that's all I just wanted curious about that. Thank you. I mean, and that'll still be an issue with this one. I don't think they're going to put it in before the houses get built. So, thank you, M. That's the problem with front yard utilities, especially in their own private servitude. I don't think he's talking about putting it in the public right away, which would be maybe something that needs to be considered. So, thank you, Eric. Is there anybody else that would like to speak on this application? Uh, I would only ask we put together um if if we're good with it or not. I mean, do you guys need more time or are we prepared to move forward knowing that the risk really is on the applicant? Uh, as far as the thing I was going to uh say, Art, is if we move it forward with Ryan knowing that it's got to meet all of the parish's expectations. I mean, you're exactly right. Ultimately, the parish is if the if the parish says, "Hey, do this." We got to do it. So, and if it doesn't work, then we have to scrap this whole thing before it's before it's officially

done. And then we have to come back to y'all with a new game plan if we can find one. If not, it just sits vacant. Okay. And I was going to refer to Neil on that. it that's if we make a motion and we go forward with it with the addendum that it has to meet all the parish requirements. I mean that should be uh yeah that goes without saying that's a good way to handle I mean that's a probably the best way to handle it where we are saying against it right but there's nothing wrong with adding that you know knowing that there are some concerns and they get the entire record of this hearing but I've wondered about that uh in terms of advice to you and I'm sure you've thought about it too I mean you're you really are supposed to be the authority on subdivision subject to then what the the parish engineer says and some input from the entire police jury. And so I if you have some particular concerns and you need more time to consider those, I think that wouldn't be a bad idea depending on whether Brian objects to that or not. uh because he should on the on the record either agree to a continuence to the next hearing or not. If he does not, then I think that provides a question for you in terms of whether you really do want to just leave it up to the parish or whether you really would like to provide some input to them beyond what you've already done based upon the questions that have been raised and the issues that have been raised. Um I think this is partially as you had said I believe um Art which is it is better when all these things come forward in a PUD in advance and that's

the case with every planning and zoning commission I know of. They really would prefer for a PUD not to have a lot of unanswered questions. But you know, developers being developers, they often don't have all those in place yet. But it is definitely a help for you if you are not left with unanswered issues. So the question is whether you're ready to move forward now or ask Ryan for permission to or agreement to postpone it another month. And I say that to avoid any of the shot clock shot clock issues you know about under both state and local law. I mean, if it's going to come back to us anyway, um, would it be better to work all the details out first? Like, for example, I mean, one requirement might be to make sure that, uh, there's at least a 20ft stack space between the sidewalk and the garage door. Yeah. I'm just concerned if it's all going to fit. I'm like, Eric, that's a lot of stuff. I know on other codes that we've seen, we've actually seen a house plan and a traffic plan. I remember Tim Arin would show us, you know, exactly what he's proposing, where sidewalks are, where the houses are, and that that type of thing. So, I would like to have I mean, we're just we're really just having to assume or guess where these improvements are going to be. Uh I mean, we could put it enough of these requirements into the U proposal, you know, if you want to move it forward. out of the way. From the staff's perspective, there is a universal issue with the placement of utilities and there's a universal issue at the parish level with maintenance of the streets and the location of setbacks and sideyards. So, I would recommend that we at the agreement of Ryan delay it. We could have a pre-development meeting next week. There are unanswered questions at the city level as well that

the police jury has to be in concurrence with. So, I don't I would see a delay being prudent so that we don't have to come back a year from now to try to correct what we could have just delayed in 30 days and have it done. Delay it. [Laughter] Thank you, Ryan. Thank you. Thank you, received a single comment. So, everything that I've received today is is the first I've heard about it. Um, but I I don't mind working through the jury and those things. Yeah, you're at a disadvantage not seeing everything that we're from the parish, you know, going off memory. So, okay. Thank you, Ryan. Thanks, Ryan. We have a motion to to delay uh PMAS425. We're going to do two votes. Let's do this one first. Um, so we have a motion. Do we have a second? Second. And we have a second. Motion to delay. And that passes. And then we need a second motion for uh the next case. 25-2025. D. Same thing. Same. Yes. Yeah. I'm just trying to get my numbers up here. Here we go. Make a motion that we delay P-plat 225 2024. Second. Motion in a second. Thank you, Jim. Very good, Carl. I'd be happy. I'd be happy to sit in on that meeting, too. Okay.

Okay, we ready? Yes. All right. Uh, C O 2520 2025 the application of Mark Benzen Parking Systems of America requesting a conditional use approval for the on-remise sign review located in the Eastbank District, Bojer City, Louisiana, City Council, District 5, Police Tra 9. Very good. Okay. Hi all, Mark. Uh my name is Mark Benzen with Parking Systems of America. Uh we're requesting the uh conditional use approval uh for on premise sign review. Happy to answer any questions. U a number of the signs are located on lots that have no paving. Um so we really can't encourage parking on on lots that aren't paved. So that would be the owner's responsibility to do that. Um, so I think that was one comment we talked about. Yeah, we had several comments and and nothing against it, you know, entrepreneurial and all that, but I think uh I don't know if it's delay or what. We'd like to figure this out. This is kind of new to Boer and I know I've seen it all over America. So, it's not anything I haven't seen, but I think at this point in time, we'd like to go and study this a little bit and put, you know, put put some thought into the signs where the signs should go. Uh, Carla had a lot of thoughts on on the different areas, but, uh, we want to do it right. And no nothing against what you're doing or anything other than uh we got to figure this out before we really go any further. Go ahead. I just want to make sure that Mark can see the uh the uh Sorry, the computer is not being my friend. Mark, can you can you come forward and look off this one? These red circles here. This is the grass. Yes. Oh, okay. Yeah. So, the you can take that back there. Yeah. We'll

share up here. Yep. There we go. Yeah. The the red circles in the grass area are actually no parking in the grass signs. Yeah. Okay. All right. Very good. No parking in the grass. See, we've already learned something. Absolutely. Good. Yeah. If you um if you go down to the sign package, I can kind of uh explain. Oh, I see a little bit more. Mr. Benson, if you could kind of could you kind of tell us a story about how you got here and, you know, some of the issues and the resolution that y'all came up with with the property owners. Sure. Um, yeah, the really the the main objective here is to prevent towing from for unauthorized vehicles on private property. That's essentially uh, you know, what we're here for. It's uh, we don't want to gouge everybody and uh, just by doing paid parking. It's it's really, you know, we're protecting our uh clients property uh and also uh people that come to that area from being towed away uh for for parking on somebody's private property. So I guess Carlo a staff question today can we ask him to delay or should we do some form of a moratorum or or what what route should we go till we kind of get some this may question for you too Neil on on what direction to get this going. This is one that I'm sure has had some staff review. The question is where are you in terms of your comfort level? So um as Mr. Benzen stated um his clients would you know prefer paid parking if they're going to park on their private property and we recognize that. Um we also recognize that they have to have signage because of the mechanism they have for the paid parking. Um however our code provision doesn't allow for signage without a

building or a business so to speak. So, we understand that there's a need and I think there's a general concern because we don't allow um temporary signs uh or signs without a business so to speak uh at this location. So, we will be making an exception to the rule. But the questions are should the signs be limited in size? If so, what size? Should the signs um conform to the East Bank architectural standards? Um and then the quantity. Is there a limitation on quantity or is there a method to how you place them and how many you place on the property? Let me let me ask you. We have a east bank overlay district, do we not? So there is a um there is a district. Yes. For the east bank. Could this be rather than could could this be incorporated as an amendment to that district? So it would be a district-wide amendment rather than something new that we have to um develop here. We would have to develop some standards for it unfortunately um in the sign regulations within the district so that it will be in the district. So it would be something we would have to create so that if we have another business that's like I think I mean there's a need for all of the parking and the I understand the paid parking for the owners of the property all that wait he's got to come to the mic yes yes yes ma'am ma'am ma'am Um yeah. Yeah, we will allow public comment in just a second. We just need the gentleman to explain the the uh point of his case today. Um so um but that's where we are. You know, we don't want to give the wrong impression to other business owners who have requested similar or like signage, but we do

understand again that he needs some. So it's about telling him how many signs he can have and what the signs need to look like. How and and the size because right now this problem is unique to the east. Correct. Yeah. So that's why I was wondering if it just couldn't be something directly related to East Bank rather than citywide. It absolutely can. Yes. But we just would have to come up with those parameters. Okay. Also location. Also location. It cannot be in right away in public rightway. It needs to be in private property. Well, it probably could if we incorporated as part of the East Bank district. I don't I don't know if we can. My understanding is that the city uh does not want them in the public rightway. So we we did get with the engineering department and they went out there and Latin longed every sign out there. So there is a map that'll show you which ones are in the rightway that'll have to be moved out of the rightway. So we'll give you that so you'll have that. Um I mean I'm I'm in favor of it. I just think yes, we need some more re everything for what you said that we need to develop a standard for the overlay district or for the east bank district and that may incorporate a particular logo or color scheme or something. I know there's kind of a theme now that we have down there at the east bank. So, um, so in order to protect the property owner, we're are we're still going to allow Mark to continue this business until we can figure out I think so for a temporary based upon the pictures that I saw where people are parking in that that owner's property. Yes, I was down there on a Sunday and when I tell you people are creating parking spaces, they are absolutely doing that. Yeah. So, so there is So, we do have temporary signage there now. I didn't for gentlemen. Yes. So, I'm still asked the question the avenue to get to where we're wanting to

go is to delay moratorum or how how do we handle this presently? I mean, it would have to be delayed until we come up with regulations for this particular item and then we can come up with something more universal for the eastbank district. But I think we need to come up with something for this gentleman to be able to operate currently. Well, and that's that's delay if we delay now and just let him continue to operate as he is right now with the understanding that there could be some changes you know and and are you amable to to to following that, you know, kind of pathway uh as we go along? Absolutely. We're we're willing to to work with everyone to to Like I said, it's not anything against what you're, you know, it's meeting a need for everybody. So, so you could do use approval for, let's say, six months and does that give us enough time to develop and then come up with a final? That would be great. That would be awesome. That would give us some wiggle room for six months. Okay. Yeah. All right. You understand with that? Okay. So I guess audience now will uh this is a public hearing. Uh anybody have any comments that they'd like to make um with regards. Can you can you come up front please? Yeah. Art I would almost do it for like a year. Call the office and get some help on this. I'm 91 years old. I don't need to be fooling with this, but you're trying to take my property away. It's a little tiny spot. People are parking on it. When they go to a restaurant, they park on it. Oh, I can't keep them off of it, but I'm not going to sell. My husband, when he died four years ago, he said, "Whatever you do, don't get rid of that property.

One day, that little spot will be worth some money." And it's in the middle of everything. So, my question is, you're in favor of doing this sign. So, you're not I don't want no flying on my property. Okay. You just don't want anybody parking on your property. I don't want everybody proping on my property. Do you want a sign that says no parking? Yes. Okay. And will be towed. Yes. Ma'am. Ma'am, we're on the same page. Ma'am. Ma'am, could you tell us what your what your name? It's Margaret Allen and the property is on Old Guily Street. I've tried to call your office, but you haven't been there. Margaret Allen. So, I don't believe Mr. Benzen is putting any signs on your property. That's what I tried to call and find out. I got the letter saying involved my property right on Old Gildy and it's a very small lot, but people are parking on it every time they come into town. There's no place to park, so they're just there parking on it. Okay, Mr. Benson, correct? You don't have any signs on her property. Correct. No. Okay. So, if you would like to have We'd be happy to help you though if you want to keep people off of your property. Doing what? put a no parking sign for you. Oh, that'd be great. Okay. Do you need her address as well? Thank you, Miss Allen. I will I will find it. Sorry, I sat here all day all this time and listen to something that doesn't even concern me and I I didn't need to be here. All right. We appreciate you. Thank you. All right. So, we then prepared for a motion. You you don't find the condition per year. Yeah, I would suggest up to year just to be safe. Okay. Just to be safe. Uh you want to roll with that now? I mean Well, I'll go. Yeah. Uh make a motion

that we do a uh conditional use on C N SIG25205 for one year from today's current date. I'll second that. I'm sorry. Give me one second. Okay. Yeah. 12 month conditional use. Now, let me ask you I got I do have one question. If he has to come back in one year, does he have to pay another fee? He would. Yes, sir. Is that fair to him? Because we don't have our Is it a fee for each sign together? So we we did com we didn't charge him 70 fees. We only charged him for one. Um so yeah, we consolidated these. So Okay. All right. Can we can we put in there that we get free parking down there? I got a second. Is that you got it? We got it. Mark, you're good to go for a year. Yeah. All right. And I'm sure we'll be working together to come up with uh getting your input and you know what flexibility you have with sign heights, colors, logos, locations, all of that. So anyway, absolutely. Welcome to help out with parking with the city. We can do that, too. Good. Thank you. Thank you. All right. Do we have any miscellaneous items? I don't think so. Uh we have one uh preliminary Katie if you want to read that. It'll be C Z27205 the act application of Acram Abdaliff requesting a zoning amendment to change the zoning classification of a certain tract of land being 1.09 09

acres more or less from B2 limited business business to B3 general business located at 1330 Swan Lake Road sweet 101 Boer City Louisiana for a proposed liquor store city council district 4 police jury district 7 I'm Mona Sian on behalf of yeah not quite okay how's that that's better so you're proposing into at least one of those spaces in that uh new remodel right there at the corner. He owns the whole building and he wants to change the zoning from B2 to B3. B2 to B3. Okay. Oh, so you're representing the property owner? I am. Okay. All right. Good. He is in the hospital. So, okay. I got the privilege. Now, uh today though is just a resoning where there's nothing on here to approve alcohol. Correct. Uh just so you're aware on this location in 2019, we had an applicant come forward to do the same thing. There was extensive neighborhood opposition. You've got two schools where all the kids cross through that parking lot and it was unanimously turned down, but hopefully they don't do that. Yeah. So, we're happy to move it forward to a public hearing, but I just want you to be aware of the challenge you might have in front of you. So, we weren't aware of that, but thank you. So, um, again, this is just for reasonzoning, preliminary hearing only to move it up to a public hearing. Uh, normally I guess we could open it for a public comment. Yeah, someone's here. If there's anybody here that wish to speak for this proposed application, u, please come forward. No. Okay. Very good. We have a motion. Yeah, we need a motion

to uh push it to public. Motion that we uh take CO027205 to public hearing. Second. Got a motion in a second. We'll see you next month. Thank you. Okay. And then we need approval of the February 10th minutes. I'd like to make make a motion we approve the minutes for 10 February 2025. Second. Cast your vote. and need a motion to approve the minutes from our March meeting. Make a motion we approve March minutes March 10th. Y second. Very good. And you want the floor, Carlana? Sure. Um, the Boa Parish Police Jury has been under a building pause or moratorum as we would call it um for several months now um with discussion about um infrastructure uh maintenance of infrastructure, lot sizes and the impact that the growth has has had in Boja Parish's police jury jurisdiction. Um, in those discussions, we've discussed increasing the lot sizes just year to the due to the maintenance issue and the sideyard setbacks. So, right now, currently, lot size requirements are 60

by 100, which is 6,000 square feet. The Boa Parish Police Jury is recommending we go to 65 by 140, which is roughly 9,100 square ft. And they're also asking uh for 80 foot rideaways instead of the standard 60 foot rideaways. Um, in addition to that, um, there's some discussion, you should have that, uh, memo in front of you. There's also some discussion about open dish drainage. Um, if the width of the lot is 2 thou 200 square feet, um, just universally, we're just having some issues with our current standards and we're just looking for a way to have smart growth initiatives as we continue to grow. Eric, can I ask you a couple questions on this? Yes, sir. So, and I assume we would take each PUD on a case-byase basis. These would be the minimum requirements. Uh but if a one of the things that we've been looking to try to do would be to if we're going to increase density on on lots uh to be able to have offer a menu of amenities that the developer would have to install whether that's a public park or set aside property for a school or whatever. Would would there be considerations for any of those tradeoffs maybe on on the I would think so. Lot sizes. And I don't think the police necessarily wouldn't prohibit that. Yeah. But you know, we want to make sure and answer your question is yes, but like what is that going to be and who's going to be the judge of it? I mean that's how you know like if we're going to get something good in return, great. We'll we'll u we'll take some benefit, but you know, if we're going to jam a bunch of houses in and then we're just going to plant some grass somewhere, maybe plant a couple trees.

Yeah. Yeah. You know, some of these puds that we've had in in the past, they're they're not they're not what I would call um an amenities and some, you know, setting the world on fire, right? But um anyway, yes, we would agree to whatever and we definitely entertain that. I mean, y'all are the the body on that and we're asking for some increased lot sizes. I mean, we've had a number of people want utilities in the front. Mhm. Um and so, you know, this is a way to kind of make that happen. You know, you can get power and electric and gas, telephone, you know, we need to do some more. I like Carlotta's term, you know, smart planning. Is that what you use? Smart growth initiatives. Smart growth initiatives. And so if we can get a little bit of that going, I think would be great because, you know, there really needs to be a more coordinated effort amongst these developers and utility companies to get this stuff in before people start living in it. You know, we've been gracious to approve streets and drainage without any power even be, you know, they're putting power in the neighborhood so they can start building houses. And uh you know maybe maybe they need you know there's the utility companies they won't start till they have a plat you know recorded. So there may need to be some some some some more different thinking about how we streamline this stuff and make it better for all of us involved to I mean because nobody wants to wake up in the middle of the night to the guy trying to turn the power back on in their backyard but that's what happens. Right. Right. And so um but yeah We've had a Why does communications always go in after everybody's pretty much living there, though? That guy had a good point. I've wondered that myself. Yeah. I mean, they're not coming. I mean, they're not they won't hook up anything until you're moved in. You know, that's a lot of the

coordination that we need to discuss. Um, we're just like what he said with a right now, Halton's having that issue where they won't put the utilities in without a signed plat. Well, if you have a signed plat, the streets need to be in. And so, we're having it's a catch22 there. We can't. So, there's just a lot of additional discussions that we need to have. Can you go into a little bit about the 80 foot rightway and what the intent is for that? Yeah. So, the deal behind a So, we I get developers like, well, we'll just put utility servitudes on the back of your public rideway. Well, that really doesn't do me any good when you put the public water and the public sewer on the back of the rottaway line and then the power line. Let's just say they don't put it in the middle of utility. Let's just say they put it closer to So now they're in this dedicated utility servitude that if a public utility has to work on it and I have to get into their utility line that's in their dedicated utility. So they're going to want me to move. They're going to want me to pay them to move. And so those are problems that that's why increase rightaway widths need so we can establish corridors for the you know different utilities and try to work this out so that if a water line needs to be worked on or a sewer line needs to be worked on we can ask the public utilities to move drainage those types of things. Um otherwise we just assume that they be in the back of the yards but nobody wants them back there anymore. So, do you have dedicated utility corridors in the back of people's yards that you can't get into? Maybe. I don't know. Those are some thoughts. But, you know, larger rideways um offer more advantages for the homeowners. They offered more advantages for everybody involved that I think now it's not great for the developer because that's less he can sell. But um but I do I do think that and that's one of the

pushes for the large and it gets the homes off the streets, allows people places to park. You know, it's less congested. You know, another consideration, you know, a lot of I know a multif family, they're all going all electric, but in reality, you know, we need gas in a subdivision for a backup generator. Yeah. And you know, so uh that's something too to consider. So yeah, I mean, and you know, right now we do let gas in the front, but it doesn't make sense because they'll put their line in and then they have to come back and tear up the sidewalk to connect to it to put the service in for the house. But I understand they can't put their service connections in before the house is built. I get that. But, you know, we really just need to do a better job of of uh getting ahead of these neighborhoods and trying to do a better job of planning. Well, we're on the same page. Yes, sir. Absolutely. That that cover what you wanted? Yes, sir. Okay. Very good. All right. Thank you. Thank you, Eric. You're welcome. So, in the meantime, I I definitely wanted to bring this uh up. We also brought it up with the city to see if the city wants to participate. So, I'm waiting for feedback from them as well. Okay. So, after we get it all, we'll move forward with reddrafting an ordinance to bring that before you. Uh, in addition to that, um, just Thursday, April 17th at 3 p.m., we will have a public workshop for the sign regulation. So, that will take place at the Boer Central Library right here across the street. Um, and you're more than welcome to come. We've notified the sign companies. What time is it? At 3 p.m. 3 p.m. Yes. So, we will be there. Can you shoot us an email? Yes, I absolutely can. And that's all we have for you today. Anybody have anything else? Not today. We are ajourned. 340. Wish you got overtime today.