Inland Wetlands & Watercourses Commission - Regular Meeting

Okay, I will call the Bloomfield Inland Wetlands Water Course Commission to order. Uh today is Monday, November 17th, 2025. It is 7:02. Uh, present we have myself, uh, Glenn, Adam, Steve, Byron, Paul, and Kevin Wilcox by phone. Uh, no old no old build business, right, Peter? Right.

Okay. So, moving on to new business. Yes. Um, since I did the uh um the agenda, which was last week, we received new applications for a wetlands map amendment and wetlands permit at 151, I'm sorry, 1151 Blue Hills Avenue, which is the uh First Cathedral site,

right? Um they filed them so the uh so that they could be received tonight and be scheduled for public hearings um at uh next month's meeting which is on the 15th. Um I can show you the location and and the overall plan I think if you want me to. So the the build Huh? We'll see it next month.

Yeah, that's true. You will. So, let me just say that it's the uh that the uh cathedral is close to the corner of Blue Hills and Wittenberry Avenue. The the church owns um land quite a bit further to the south. In fact, there's a southerntherly parking lot uh and entrance off of Cottage Grove Road and uh quite a large parking lot there. They're proposing to convert some of that parking uh or actually all of that parking into multifamily residential um without going beyond the the uh present limits of disturbance. Uh but they got you know it's quite a big project. So the wetlands map amendment is automatic public hearing. I think the permit should also be a public hearing.

All right. So do we have to decide now if we want to make the application a public hearing or is it that's your recommendation? No. No. You should decide it's my recommendation. So all right. So then let me back up a little bit. Do any commission members want to see a brief overlay of the pan plans from Peter now? No, I I don't know that it's necessary. I mean, we're going to schedule it either way. I It sounds like So, yeah. So, we probably should schedule both for public hearing for uh December 15th. December 15th.

Yep. Now, that's a second uh No, that's the third. Sorry, that's the third Monday. That's our usual day. Okay. Um I will post um I will post uh applications and plans and supporting documentation on the town uh I mean on the commission's web page uh tomorrow morning um with a notice that'll go to the applicant. Um, I'm not sure if we need a vote, but if you guys feel comfortable about do, you know, just making a vote, that's fine.

Well, why don't we make a Somebody make a a motion to uh have both applications as a public hearing on December 15th. Okay, I'll make that motion. So moved by Glenn, seconded by Kevin. All in favor? I I abstain. So it's unanimous.

Okay. Um it's exactly the same thing for nine proer Lane, which is the next item. New new applications. Um, and the uh um actually I probably should have done this one first under item five, but it doesn't matter. So nine Proser Lane is a parcel that um is on the uh north end of Proer Lane, which is a deadend road off of Burnwood Drive. Uh it also has frontage on Laughafler Road. So, they're proposing a wetlands map amendment uh and a permit to build this new residential um it's an R I think it's an R30 or an R20 residential uh building with a driveway out to Lost Road.

Is that a brook that cuts cuts across it? There are there is a water course. Um there are uh according to our official map significant wetlands according to what the soil scientists flagged not nearly as much. Um so we're going to go out and look at the wetland flags tomorrow morning see where they are and see if they make sense but um there is also a a partial um water body on the on the property that may be a vernal pool. We're going to look at that as well. Again, both are recommended for public hearings on the 15th of December.

Okay. But we're not I'm not going to recommend any more public hearings after these four. All right. So, let's schedule the um procer lane first. Okay. Cuz hopefully that will be quicker. pay it will be. All right. So, let's make a motion for public hearing for Proer Lane for wetlands amendment and for new resident construction. I'll make the motion, Mr. Chair.

Made by Paul. Second. Second. All in favor? I I opposed abstain. It's unanimous.

That's all you got, Peter? No. Um, we also have a uh uh wetlands agent permit that was um received for 92 Hoskins Road. It's still under uh I'm sorry, it was approved with with some conditions and um the proposal has uh no direct wetland impacts and it's for a single family residence uh and septic system, all of which are in the upland review area. So, that one was approved. I forget how many conditions. Um, I'm still waiting to get back a uh uh you know, feedback on the conditions and and some uh plan revisions. Um, and then uh that one will be approved uh for construction again for a single family home. Okay. Um, Rebecca, do we have Mr. Moore in the attendees?

Yes, we do. Would you like me to promote him? Yes. So, if you're ready, we'll go on to item item uh six, enforcement actions here. Um, oh, seven. You're fine. Yep. So, uh, this, um, there's also a Bruce Moore there, too. Say that again. Uh, there's a Bruce Morris participant. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. I'm trying to He's Yeah, I had Douglas more of a Bruce decline. So,

Okay. And what's Lois Hager here for? Just a spectator, I believe. So, Lois, are you just a spectator? Yes. Okay. I am. Thank you. All right. Well, looks like we've got Mr. Douglas Moore. Moore, I should say, not Moore. Um, and uh, Mr. Moore, if you could put on your microphone and let us know if you can hear us, that'd be great.

There I I found my microphone. I can hear you. Can you hear me now? Yeah. Yes, we can. Do you have a camera? I do. So, I should turn on the video. Yeah. Yep.

There we go. There I am. Hey. Um, so, uh, I received a couple of calls from, um, concerned neighbors and, uh, went out to visit the, uh, the sawmill site at 171 Mountain Avenue last month. Um, and uh, there was some trees that were cut down close to uh, close to the brook that runs through um, close to Mountain Avenue. Um, and I thought I had included photos or a map here. Did I Did I send you guys a map? Yes.

Okay. And Mr. Moore says he has them as well. Okay, I got to find it on my computer so we can show it. Um, so there was uh if if people, you know, folks remember, there was a lot of um wood

uh old old tree trunks that were out front by um front of the sawmill. along Mountain Avenue and they were recently um uh cleaned up, removed. I don't know if they were all chipped up, but a bunch of them were. And so um the the piles of old wood aren't there anymore. But the uh uh the the work also included some uh tree removal. And all right, let's look at this one. One. Okay. So, this is the plan that I sent. Um, let's see if I can get it to

Well, we also have the color one. Yeah. Yeah. I've got the uh the one with the aerial photo right here. Um, but I'm trying to get to where I can rotate this view. Here we go. Clockwise and zoom in. Um so uh these are the this is a sawmill um buildings. Um there is a uh there's a brook that runs south um under Mountain Avenue right here.

Um and then through the through the uh uh through the property. Uh let's see. The property lines are in gray and uh I'm not sure where this property line is over here, but the wetlands according to our official map are these uh areas surrounded by um by the green. Um, and it was in this area approximate limits of clearing were about 2,000 square ft. Uh, that's too close. This photo is from uh 20 uh 20 2020 I believe. And these are all of the the old tree um logs. I'm not sure what you know, they're tree trunks that were none of these are here anymore. So I think Mr. Moore's intention was to clean up the front of the property. Um and some trees over here got got cleared. Uh sorry, I'm losing my voice. Um, so the uh the trees that were cleared um from what I could see were not significant trees. Um, and there were um, uh, you know, one, uh, one tree that was falling over. Um, let me let's see which one of these is going to be the best.

I'm going to show you one of the pictures that I took. Um,

so can you all see that picture? Yep.

Um over here on the right, um you might see a stump. I'm sorry. All your all your handsome faces are taking up the I guess I can see more than one. Here's uh here's looking uh west on Mountain Avenue. Here's the culvert under. Here's the water course. You can see that there was one tree. I believe this was a an ash tree. And then the pictures are going to move over to the left. This is the tree that was falling down. There's a couple of small stumps in here. Um but uh and then this is the this is the beginning of the wood chip pile that was placed. Um I do have pictures that went further to the left, but um I didn't I didn't have them up. So, uh, according to the official map and the other the other photos that we have, looked like that there may have been some trees, uh, or brush cut down over here. Um, I did not believe that this rose to the level of a formal notice of violation. So, I sent Mr. Moore a letter and he's uh joined us to talk about it. Does the commission have any questions or maybe Mr. Moore wants to say something?

Yeah. Now, across the brook is a different parcel with a different owners, correct? No. No. Can I speak up on that? Yeah. Tech technically that the parcel on the other side of the stream is still in the Moore family. It's not part of the Moore saw sawmill property. That's Thomas and Nancy. That's correct. My uncle what? Your parents? No. No. My dad has passed two years on two years on Thursday. That is my dad's brother. Okay. Your dad was What was your your dad's name?

Donald. Yeah. Okay. That's what I thought. Yeah. All right. Yeah. So, so technically the other parcel across the the stream is owned by different parties. Correct. It's owned by Tom Thomas more. Yeah. Do you have permission to speak for him? I can't say that I do. I can't say that I don't.

Okay. All right. Well, we'll cross that bridge when we get to it. So I think if I if I the can if you can can can you guys see the screen again? Yeah. Back to the GIS picture. So the property line runs through the brook out of the brook through the brook out of the brook and then through again.

Right? So, you know, it's the the area that I have shown out here is predominantly except for that little triangle on the sawmill parcel. Okay. So, so Peter, let me understand it. So, the issue is that he cut trees without permission in the regulated area. Correct. Is the burm within the regulated area that he made? Uh, sure. Yeah. Most of this site is because of the water course. 200 feet from the water courses. Right. Yeah. Because I went by it today. It looked pretty good. Well, it does.

Yeah. It does look a lot better than it used to. I And if you look at uh, you know, you go to uh Google Earth and you look at some of the pictures, you know, going back. Well, this is a 2020 picture. So, this is, you know, six years ago,

uh, you know, it was there was a lot of stuff up there that wasn't very attractive. It looks a lot better now. Um, I think it would be appropriate to to discuss what, you know, what kind of um um restoration might be appropriate. Um my recommendation would be uh a small number of trees uh along the brook close to the brook maybe on both sides to uh restore the vegetated buffer there. Does the brook ever flow its banks?

Oh, sure. So, I was just going to say it uh up above the top of the bank and there are trees that can survive those kind of conditions. I don't I mean I mean Kevin anything they put there is going to get flooded out isn't it?

Yeah but that's not necessarily an issue because it it depends on the size of the plant. So if it's a smaller plant, you would want to at least on the upstream side of was planted drive in a stake so that at least it has maybe a deeper foundation and doesn't get washed out. Uh, but I'd say something like an eastern red maple or our our native red maple, even if it were say purchased bare root like a two to three foot and put in a dozen half dozen or whatever it would be. I'm sure that would work in time. Um, or something larger. I mean, it's up up to what the commission would like to see done, but I think for a for a relatively small amount of money, uh, you could easily put some vegetation back and more than likely majority of it would survive.

Mr. I think it's also like likely that the the native, you know, whatever root stock is left in the ground is going to come up in the spring as well. But tree trees were taken down. So, I think replanting something like you mentioned would be good. Yeah. And also, I know you pointed out, Peter, the stump from the uh ash. uh whether that ash was alive or not is almost not necessarily worth discussing because if it were alive more than likely it was it had a finite length of time left before the emerald ashbor killed it

because killing ash trees statewide. It was dead for two years. Yeah, it doesn't surprise me. Yeah, that's why that's why I had them reach across the stream and take that one down before before it fell into the road, right? Yeah. Hey, Kevin. Uh Glenn, would wouldn't a species be a good uh choice here? either a bush or

Yeah, if you can if you can figure out what species is native uh you know something like a like a a wild growing willow in a wetlands environment. You could in the springtime prior to any growth cut like two, three foot length rods and just jam them in the ground, no soil, no nothing, and they'll root like nobody's business and will grow like crazy. So yeah, you could do willows. I mean, that wouldn't even cost you anything except time. The wonderful thing about willows.

Are you referring to like a willow? Yeah, a willow. Yep. Well, there that that's going to be easy because there's that grows everywhere at the mill. Yeah. What? Yeah. Um just Yeah. I'm sorry, Kevin. What did you call the the um You didn't call them Oh, they weren't stakes. They were uh branches stuck right in the ground.

Yeah. So, so basically when it comes to willows, they have a very high concentration of a compound called oxin and that initiates rooting and it doesn't matter as long as the plant has no leaves. You have a bare stem. You cut a stem off. It doesn't matter how big or how small. Put it in the soil and as long as it the soil doesn't dry out, uh, it roots and it grows.

Yeah. Um, I actually cut a an 18 foot tall willow from my own property, limbmed it up, took some of the top off and took it over to Duncaster retirement community, dug a twoft hole, dropped it in, no roots. It was a four 4 inch diameter trunk and that thing's now about 30t tall. So, it roots willows root like you wouldn't believe, right? Is that agreeable? I don't suggest Right. Well, they they suck up a lot of water too, Grant.

Yeah. But they also can hand Willows are at least the willow is native to wetlands. Yeah. And it's not necessarily going to do any damage to a water course, right? Mr. Moore, is that agreeable with you? Yeah, that's a that is agreeable and would be extremely cheap seeing how there's existing willow that I can transplant. Just coordinate that with Peter so they're in the right spots.

Okay. Uh Peter, I noticed the tree leaning on the other side of the brook. Right. Can he take that down? It is half uprooted. It's Yeah. You see that in your photo? Yep. Yeah. It's over in the right hand corner there. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Unfortunately, you guys are on top of my uh you're on top of my button to move. Hang on. Make it full screen. See what happens.

Yeah. No, I just, you know, here we go. This tree. Yeah. Well, based on the maps that we have, I believe this is on the sawmill property. Well, yeah. It's on on the uncle. Yeah. No, no, on this property. Well, I'd hate to see it fall into the brook. Yes. And I believe it was Mr. Moore's intention to to remove this tree as well, right, Mr. Moore? Yes, we had talked about that. Okay.

Because it is it is, you know, half more than halfway uprooted. We saw that when we were, you know, when you had stopped at the mill and we spoke. It's not going to fall into the stream because it's falling the other way. Yeah. Well, okay. Get a 50 mph wind coming the other way. You might You never know. Yeah, you're absolutely right. And it's been pretty windy today. Yeah. Okay. All right. So, uh, do we need a motion for this, Peter, or are we just

No, I will, um, coordinate with Mr. Moore and we'll hopefully, uh, be able to understand and and I need to understand a little bit better. Um, the ideal time to put these um, in the ground would be in the spring. Is that right, Mr. Wilcox? Uh, that's a good question. I think you could probably do it now, but spring would probably be better

better. I don't I don't want to spend time that I should be sawing lumber for customers to plant trees that transplant the willows to have them die and and then to have to do it again. Right. Definitely springtime is best. Okay. So, that's what we'll plan on. All right. Okay. But, are we done with him on this subject? Because I got a question for him about something else. Yes. Is this is this a wood related question? Yes, it is.

I have a question on the the plan here. We we briefly discussed I think at the last meeting about when we have people um trim their trim their sights what to do with the wood. Do you buy wood or do you just take it away for nothing? Generally speaking I don't buy like yard trees or anything like that. Um, even even on lots, depending on what it is, you can find hardware because everybody's nailed something into a tree, right?

Um, also some of it has to do with what it is and what kind of quality it is. Um, generally speaking, the average person thinks they've got, oh, it's a straight tree. It's beautiful. And well, I don't know what they were drinking that day, but it's not straight and it's not beautiful. Okay, that answers my question. Thank you. You're welcome, Mr. Shar. I do have one question on the the plan. You have a question on the plan? Sure. Um, which one? U, yeah, go ahead.

In the where we're potentially replanting. last time it was discussed or brought up that there might be some potential plans with the culvert and I just want to make sure that oh yes it doesn't interfere um or or we're not doing work that's just going to get ripped up uh anyway um I mean I think park a where the state came in and redid the bridge and they cleared everything um thank you for bringing that up

the yeah uh that's something that I should have brought up I spoke with the town engineer about this uh and apparently it is still on the um the uh uh you know public works list of projects um but he didn't think it would extend much beyond the existing rightway.

Okay. So he wasn't anticipating any channel work which I thought might be a cons, you know, a consideration uh or might be part of the project. So the the construction of that bridge uh and I'm going to go back to the photos. Um it is a uh it's an old bridge that was um that was built. That's as far as I go. But um so I don't think I mean uh I'm not sure that there's a pipe under here. I think it's like a man-made box. So there's a concrete there's a concrete um slab on top of these kind of falling down abutments. And so, uh, the project would be to replace probably replace the abutments only, not the culvert. Um, I anticipated if they were going to do the culvert, they would have to raise the road, too. I see Mr. Moore shaking his head. Well, I've I've, you know, lived here my whole life and I've watched that covert as it's decaying and falling apart and falling into the stream.

That that culvert needs to be replaced. Okay. Not to not to mention that it is undized and when we do get heavy rain, you know, you can check back and see how many times they've had to close a road. Oh, yes. No, I understand that this sometimes overflows. I'm just repeating back what the town attorney said to me. When the decision is made to to do something with this culvert, it will be, you know, its capacity will certainly be be uh one of the considerations.

Um but the the important thing was that he didn't think it would get he didn't think the work would extend beyond the right of way, which is somewhere in in here. Yeah. Yeah. So if if the replanting is done beyond that then it's not gonna it's not going to affect it. The replanting is going to be back here and in this part of the this part of the bank. Thanks. Okay. Anything else? All right.

Okay. So, I guess we can move on. Yep. I'd like to before you go, I'd like to thank you for taking taking the time to invite me and uh talking to me. And just to double check that I can now uh go play with my dog. Yeah. Okay. Got to go out. Got to take the dog out for a walk. Yeah. Yes. Okay. Thank you. Great. Thank you. Thanks. All right. Ongoing projects, Peter.

Okay. Um, uh, some of you may have noticed, and it was brought up at last month's meeting that there's, uh, the project at 17 Watkins Road has begun. Uh if you've driven by on Simsbury Road, you've seen um the old uh uh greenhouse and farm garage are gone. The uh erosion control measures are in place. Uh and so they're getting underway. Um they did file um all of their required um uh maps uh permits and they gave us a bond for the for the project. So, they're underway. Um, I haven't actually been over to see the site, but I'm going to be going uh either tomorrow or Wednesday uh to double check to see that things are in, you know, in shape, what they're supposed to be. Um they're going to um be extending the sanitary sewer uh through um Overbrook Farm Road and to the backside of the Still Mountain Estates project. Um and that was some of the clearing uh and uh other construction activity that somebody mentioned last month that that did get underway. And so they have um you know they have probably uh too short of a uh of a schedule, but these guys move pretty quick. So I think they're going to be looking to get the first people in there probably in the summer of 2026. They got a lot of infrastructure to build. uh and they got permission to build three um uh models or examples of the

different units. They've got A, B, and C unit. Um so they're going to be starting construction with that. Uh and uh hopefully the project will go smoothly. I already have the first erosion control report, which is good. So they're on the ball with that. Uh this is the same uh group that built uh at the corner of Blue Hills and East Dudleytown Road. Uh and they're also well underway uh with buildings um at uh uh 11:22 Blue Hills Avenue. Um which is uh another another condo uh project with some duplex and some triplex units. Um and so uh the uh the U uh U store or yourself store place on um on uh Douglas Street, I think it's 59 Douglas Street is uh uh is underway as well. Um they're moving along with uh getting foundations in the ground. Um and um the uh uh what was the other project that I was going to mention? I'm sorry. I could I can't remember what it was right now. Um but you know, for for the most part, the projects uh um you know, the ones that started last year are obviously finishing up. I think there's u likely that we'll get more applications um with these four new ones that came in since the last meeting. Um we're up to

28 for the year, which is more in just regular numbers that we had last year. I think we had 26 last year. Um so, um I guess that's good. that we're getting more applications.

Okay. Uh Peter, anybody have any questions about projects? Yeah, Peter. Uh let's see. 556 Simsbury Road. I called you about Oh, yes. Yes. You sent me a voice message. Um, this is a house uh next to um Penwood Park and Gail Pond that that uh burned down. Yeah, that burned down. Sorry, I got to turn up my volume. I'm not hearing you very well.

And they uh finally obtained a permit from the building department to do demolition. and they have uh asbestous and other stuff to to deal with up there. Um so I think the meeting that you saw was probably the you know the various people getting together to to review the project. Um I was not able to get up there today um to see what you know if they're excavating um but there was an excavator there and they will be and they need to put up erosion controls um between the work and the and the water uh and the pond. I did stop last month and they have a terrace terrace backyard. So, my guess is that they'll probably have to put the silt fence or whatever they use for erosion control down at the lower terrace and uh I'll be stopping by to see them tomorrow as well.

Okay. Thank you. Um yeah, that was purchased in March. So, after the fire? Yeah, last March it was purchased. Okay. I didn't realize it was that long. Yeah. I mean, that did it did it burn that long ago. Oh, it burned way before that. It's got to be two years. Yeah. Is it? Yeah. At least two years. Yeah. Couple years. Wow. It's an interesting spot there because there's a single driveway in for that house and another house. Yeah. The one behind it. One behind it. Yeah. Yeah.

So, are there Are there sewers up there? No. No. Uh I don't know what the status is of the septic system, but the uh the driveway is very dangerous to pull out from. Yeah. So

you got to go if you you know when you pull in you got to turn around to get back out onto Simsbury Road as it's right on the curve right before the road drops off down into Simsbury and to the driveway for Penwood Park. So it's a bad spot. If I remember correctly, every 20 minutes you can pull out. Yeah. Yeah. To take a left our our time so that there's a space. Every and a half hour. Yeah. You have to call ahead to Wads and they'll tell you when the road's going to clear. Yeah.

Oh jeez. Okay. I say if it's if it's too much, just turn out right and go down to Yeah. uh the tower park on the left and pull in turn. We also got to do minutes from October 20th. Yep. All right. Okay. Who wants to do minutes? Who's got Can I go first? Sure. All right. So, Peter, page number four.

Wow. We got to page four. That's a good sign right there. Okay. Yeah, I know. So, uh, the paragraph numbered number 20. Yeah. The second the second line starts and facil and facilities shall to be maintained. Either shall be maintained or to be maintained. Yeah, we'll take out the two. Okay. Going down to paragraph number number 24. Okay.

Uh the second line you need to insert a comma after the health district. Okay. And let's see the next page. Page five under numeral number eight. status of ongoing projects. The very last line between the words ready and start, you need to insert the word to. Those are my three nitpicky uh items.

Okay, I've got uh one more on page five, I think, Peter. Um, right at the top, I believe that that line, the motions were approved unanimously, should really just be the motion was approved unanimously and it carries over from the motion um uh right at the bottom of the page because there were two separate motions. One was on the shity bond and is noted as a unanimous vote and then motion on weekly inspections carries over and it should just be the motion was approved unanimously

at the top of page five. Yeah. So it's single motion. Yeah. The motion was approved because the only thing you're referring to is the motion to um approve weekly inspections at the bottom of page four.

Mr. Shipman, that was a good catch. Yeah, I see what you're saying. Yeah. Uh I don't know, Mr. Wilcox, you're very good with those connecting words. your your elementary school grammar teachers would be very proud. I think just not my college collegiate teachers. I'm going to have to go back and look at the at the uh at the tape uh to see if there was if there was a separate um a separate vote for both. You guys remember a separate vote vote for each? Yes, there wasn't a main motion.

Go ahead. Okay. All right. Yeah. And and the the other, you know, has all the details. Uh I moved and uh um second by Commission. Yeah. Byron Lester. Yep. And then the next motion was um Commissioner Jones and Commissioner Mallette. So then I should we should put the motion was approved unanimously uh just like at the one above not on a separate line but right after it. Yeah, you can do that too. Um pageination will always get you. Yeah. Okay. And then we do have the main motion passed unanimously.

Mhm. Very good. Anybody else? Is there a motion to approve them as corrected? Who moves? Who made the motion? Glenn. I think Glenn did. Seconded by Paul. I'll take it. Sure. All in favor say I. I. I. Abstain. It's unanimous. All right. Moving on to the calendar. We have to approve the calendar. Any issues with the calendar?

These are generally the the third Monday per usual tradition. Is that Yeah, there are there are three um exceptions in 2026. Y um t uh January 20th, which is the Tuesday after the legal holiday. Um and February 17th, the same thing. The Monday, the third Monday is a legal holiday. In September, um Tuesday is Tuesday, September 22nd is uh the day after Yam Kapor.

Yes. That's That's why that one's on a Tuesday. Um the uh Monday, November 16th and I'm sorry, not November. Monday, December 14th of next year is the second uh Monday, not the third Monday. Okay. Yeah. Third would be too close to Christmas. Yep. Yeah. So, our meetings being the third Monday um can be as as early as the 15th of the month or as late as the 21st. They have to fit in there because otherwise it would be the second or the fourth. Okay. All right.

Okay. Motion to uh approve the calendar. So moved. Made by seconded by Paul. Any discussion? All in favor? I I opposed abstain. It's unanimous. All right. Public comments. Any public comments? Nope. Nobody here.

Uh there was some uh I thought I saw something about nine. Um about is there anybody else in the uh Lois Hager still there? No. Nope. Okay. All right. I thought I thought I saw something. Maybe not. Um All right. Hallucinations. Okay. So, no public comments. Uh, is there a motion to adjurnn? How about commissioner How about commissioner comments?

Yeah, I I before we adjourn, I do have one other thing to to mention. Okay. What's yours, Peter? Um, election of officers again. Hold on. Why do we have to do it again? Oh, no. No. We just we just put Paul in. That's what it was. Okay. All right. So, when do you want to do election of office? We just had we just had elections, didn't we? Yeah. We had them not not too too long ago. Yeah. But it might have been right

six months. Um the bylaws the bylaws say that the uh all of the commissioners are are reappointed following the local elections. Um, I don't know. Usually, as you folks might know, especially the newer guys, um, it doesn't always happen the same year as the election. And so the the, uh, the bylaws say we should have we should have elections after each um, municipal election.

Yeah. Because that's when the com you guys are all appointed. That's when the appointments would come through. Now, I assume that everybody that's on here now wants to continue. Um, let me see. I'm going to go back and look to see when when the uh election of officers was.

And the last thing that I'm going to mention on December 4th are Enfield Social Services and Enfield Child. We got we got some cross action happening. Who's talking?

When do the uh new council members take uh take their seats? They they were on Monday. Last Monday. All right. So, they're there. Okay. Uh, I'm looking but I'm not finding when they were. Um, but I can definitely find the bylaws. Um,

Peter, it was on the June 16th meeting is what I have. Okay. Thank you, Rebecca. So, it hasn't even been six months. Uh, why did we do it then? We had to have we had to get seven members. There were was a vacancy. Yes, that was when we elected Commissioner Shipman to vice chairs. What I have in the minutes? That's right. We didn't have enough members. Yep, you're right. All right. So, now we have

So, when do you want to schedule them for? January or December.

Yeah. Let me uh let me share my screen here and I've got the I've got the uh the by loss. Here we go. Maybe not. I hope we keep our zoning uh liaison. Oh yeah, I got him. I just didn't. That wasn't it. Try again. There it is.

This is uh section one of article six. Organizational meeting shall be held at the first meeting following the byianual local election and appointments to the commission. At this organizational meeting, officers shall be elected and the bylaws reviewed and adopted uh readopted. I don't know if we have to adopt them every time, but seven members shall be present before election of officers. So, I think it's up to you guys. If you want to have um you know, new elections, we can certainly set them up for uh for the January meeting. um or even the the December meeting if you want. Uh let's see, where was I? Article six. What's the commission's pleasure? Do you want to do it in December or in January? And is everybody staying? That's a big bigger question.

Yeah. Um, you know what? Maybe we should do them in December because David Leupa will be available then, too. Okay, that's agreeable with everybody. Yeah, I'm pretty sure you you can't be um you can't be nominated in abstentia, right? You have to be I I'll doesn't show up. He certainly will be here in December. Say it again. Paul, I will not be here at the December meeting. That's not good.

Oh, that's not good. So then we got to go to January. So let's try for January. Okay, that'll be January the 20th, Tuesday. Right. And that is not a problem for me. I'm sorry to complicate things, but no, no problem. Um, and I also want to say that I I thoroughly enjoy being chairman. If anybody wants to be chairman, I will not be offended. You're not going to get that lucky, Alan. Nice try. Thanks. Yeah. Good. Yeah. Uhhuh.

We're very happy with you being chairman as well. Yes. You just want to be out by 10. That's all. I got elected. Doesn't it hurt? Read my mind. Or 8:00 tonight. Yeah. Yeah. Stop talking. I'm sorry to say I have a I have a quick little something to to mention. Okay. Which will take us past eight o'clock. I'm sorry. Uh oh. Uh yeah, Peter. Yes, sir. In your traveling, would you do me a favor and take a stroll down Ronda Lane, that little spur that connects Juniper Lane with Spinsbury Road just above you?

Yes, I'm familiar with it. What What do we have there? Uh if you are on Simsbury Road and you turn left onto Rundle or Rundel Lane, however that is pronounced, uh almost immediately on your right hand side, number 33, they've done a fair amount of I don't know what you want to call it, construction work or or whatever. They they ran a machine through a what looks like a either an intermittent stream or a a water course and they they also

Yeah, you you'll see. It's I'm assuming you weren't aware of it. It looks like it was done just recently. Okay. No, we've had violations at this address before. I'm familiar with the site. We'll we'll check it out. Okay. All right. Sorry to hear that. Yeah. I mean, I'm glad you'll check it out. I'm sorry to hear that there have been other violations. Yeah. I think only Allan was on the commission when uh when those violations were pursued. What's the last name? I don't I don't remember. Okay. I don't remember what the last name was.

All right. Right. And and also with the Edith Lane construction work, what are the regulations about them keeping the road clean of mud? Well, they're supposed to have a antitracking pad uh and sweep the road if it gets muddy. That's the kind of thing I'm going to be looking at tomorrow. Um, we did get a major downfall. I forgot how many inches we got um

over the weekend, but um I did notice that a lot of the sites this week, I'm sorry, last week that mud was getting tracked out, not just there, but I will y I'll be I'll be checking that uh as part of my normal inspection tomorrow. Okay. Okay. Thank you. Yep. Um

I know that I sent out a late email today about site visits and uh I'm we're still on for 9:00 tomorrow on uh uh Proer Lane. Um and I may go over to uh I may go over to uh Simsbury Road uh 17 Watkins Road I should say. Um, after that meeting, I'm expecting that that meeting will not go too too long. Uh, but you never know what you've run into when you go out in the field. If you're coming to the meeting, bring warm clothes and boots. Cold and tick repellent.

What? And tick repellent. And tick repellent. Yes. Yeah. Still uh still active. Well, ticks are cool season creatures. This is their time. Yeah. Okay. Well, the the advantages of going at this time of the year is that there's hopefully most of the um lowest vegetation was killed off with the frost and it'll be easy. Yeah, we'll see. I don't know. Um if if it isn't easy. Yeah. If it isn't easy, we'll ask them to clear us a path. That's how it works.

There you go. I have a quick one for Peter. Peter, are you going to be doing any next week? No, I'm off next week. Ah, so uh if you want to do um you know the uh the nine proer lane site is rather small. uh you can see from one end to the other. The the one at 1151 Blue Hills Avenue is much bigger project. So I don't anticipate that we'll be done looking at it this week. Um so we'll schedule some for uh you know the first week of December. Okay. Excellent.

Thank you. You got it. Is that it? Anybody? Anybody else? I move that we adjourn. Okay. Second. Second by Steve. All in favor? I I I opposed abstain. We're return. Okay. Great. Thank you all. Thank you. and we'll see you in four in four weeks. Okay. Thank you all. Thanks. Sorry to miss in December, but I'll see you all in the new year.

Okay. Yeah. Well, happy holidays and happy new year. New year. Yeah. Have a great Thanksgiving. Have a nice holiday. Yeah. Okay. Everyone, have a good evening. Have a nice Thanksgiving. Yeah. Yes. Happy Thanksg. Take care. I'm gonna