Inland Wetlands & Watercourses Commission - Regular Meeting

stream yep preparing to live stream the webinar hold on okay all right live streaming on it's yep showing on the top of my screen here oh yeah recording and yeah we're good okay a call to order the Inland wetlands and water course Commission of Bloomfield uh today is February 18th 2025 it is 705 PM um present we have uh Katie David Paul Kevin Willcox and myself one two three four five okay [Music] um and for old business Peter we have a continuation of notice of violation right let me uh promote Mr Mar marog here hold on Mr Marg are you with us your microphone is is off Mr marog are you with us yeah I'm here okay let get my camera up video

settings uh Peter are we with this um uh this is the second meeting where we've this has been on the agenda the first one was the November meeting um and the second was December 18th uh regular meeting we did not have a meeting in January so um this was the next meeting in the schedule um and um the uh uh notice of violation including included several um several uh corrective measures um and the first one was to remove the material that's on the back side of the retaining wall um I think uh some of that material has been removed if not the majority of it um but the uh um on the south side where the timber wall failed um there's still some material that's that's uh that hasn't been removed um the second corrective measure was um to uh provide submit a uh a new topographic survey um and uh the survey was um to accurately identify the extent and depth of the fill material and to act as a starting point for the uh future status so um I have not received the uh the up-to-date survey um and I'm recommending that the commission uphold the notice of violation uh to the regular meeting in March uh which is March 18th I

believe yes March 18th um to uh to give Mr Mar March 17th right I got it is March 18 holiday there 18th No it should be March 17th Allen is correct it's wrong in the memo yeah should be March 17 thank you don't want to have a Tuesday meeting if we don't have to right uh so my recommendation is that the commission uh table or or continue uh uphold the notice of violation to the to the next meeting to give Mr Marg some additional time to provide the survey uh I don't know if the surveyor had a chance to get out there before the snow um hit in the last few weeks but uh I think it would be reasonable to uh give Mr Mar another month okay at what point do we start finding them well the commission can can um can uh assess fines uh I think the uh I think the uh the fines uh should not should I mean you guys can discuss it if if you'd like but at this point the the the materials in question have been there they've been there for a while so um the survey I'm I'm not sure maybe we can ask Mr marog about the survey but uh I think another month is is reasonable um in other cases the commission has um levied fines uh at a at a starting point um with a with a

date uh say for the next meeting where it finds are assessed there's assess starting at this me tonight uh that's an option for the commission if they would like to may I speak sir Peter please so on the topographic survey as um good good evening by the way everyone um based on the topographic survey I have been fully in complying compliance with everything that the town has required of me um as we all know life in general we all have obstacles we all have financial difficulties I have paid 2,00 out of the $5,000 cost to do the topographic survey so the survey is currently being processed the guys came out before the snow they did all their measurements and everything but unfortunately I cannot obtain or receive the topographic survey at hand to present it until I paid in full through the Donan um company in Simsbury so just to give you guys that um highlight that I actually paid 2,000 out of the 5,000 money is a little bit tight I'm trying my entire best so I mean I don't want to fine because it wouldn't make any sense for me to be processing all this trying to get things right and then get fine so I appreciate that extension because it is very grateful to get a additional 30 days I am a single father I'm a good citizen here good homeowner I you know I don't know if anybody could see but this is actually the receipt from dunan that I spoke of the proof so I start the process I just

could not pay it all in full because it's also not a payment that can be made with credit card it has to be cash or check so I appreciate you know the the understanding but I am trying my best to comply with the town to get everything in order and that um the debris on the South Side as Peter mentioned about it was the makeshift fence slash barrier That was supposed to hole in the dirt got broken down it is all stucked into the soil and the snow so unfortunately it cannot be removed right now until you know the snow has been melted but it will be removed ASAP as soon as it's possible just so you know you know keep this in mind um you know I understand your your difficulties in getting this done um but we're regulated by the state and we have a responsibility to the wetlands and we do have the authority to find um Property Owners um last year we find somebody $20,000 and put a lean on their property um so it's serious um I don't want this dragging on for a year I want to get it done and corrected sir Alan yeah this has started in November I hear you loud and clear okay and I promise you in 30 days we won't be having this conversation good good thank you you're welcome anything else Peter or any other discussion on

this no I don't think so again I'm recommending the commission uphold the notice of violation and here here Mr marok again on March 17th okay do we need a motion or anything yes motion would be to uphold the notice of violation uh until that March 17th meeting I can Kevin are you gonna go ahead well Mr shitman if you would like to by all means no no I I didn't I I filled the silence which as as Katie told me in media training years and years ago uh you're never supposed to do apologies to my to my mentor all right so I I I'd like to make a motion that we oppe the uh notice of violation of 63 Lincoln Terrace until uh the March 17th meeting there a second I will second second by Paul beautiful all in favor I I I opposed St it's unanimous Dwayne you can't vote yeah I know he raed his hand so we'll see we'll see you uh next month all right thank you guys we might we might be talking with them a little later this meeting but yeah don't go away yet yeah I think uh what I have to do is uh oh I can't remove you CU you you can't come back oh me yeah so I'm trying I

mean I can I can mute I can mute myself till yall ready for [Music] me I put him on hold in the waiting room okay so I think he'll be able to come back um uh let's let's hope hope that that's the case um he's got uh uh not the next application but the one after that okay um let's see you ready to move on the permit transfer y I'm gonna promote Mr boresi who is is the applicant and allow him to talk okay Mr Bazi are you with us yes I am can you hear me we can very good uh so um the commission may recall uh many years ago or not many years ago a few years ago there was an application filed for uh 101 gry Street um for a u uh cannabis cultiv cultivation facility um it was approved by list this commission and planning and zoning um and uh the uh the applicant the owner I'm sorry the applicant not the property owner um decided not to go forward with the application or with the construction ruction I should say um so final plans

were not um were not provided the wetlands permit was not issued uh and the uh Property Owners um Mr boresi and and his partner um uh requested a uh transfer of the permit from a yr wellness Inc uh to their LLC which is grany Toby LLC um for our regulations the uh uh the permit e which was um uh Ayr Wellness Inc um submitted a a letter written request uh to transfer the permit um subsequent to that um the uh uh property owner submitted a conflict of interest uh attachment a um and uh final plans were submitted by um the uh um by the engineer surveyor and uh per our regulations um these are the documents that need to be submitted for a permit TransForce transfer so I'm recommending that the commission approve this request the transfer would be from Ayr Wellness Inc um to uh the applicant and property owner uh gramby Toby LLC all of the conditions of approval would stay the same uh I included them in the um agenda package the only difference would be with the with the transferred permit it

would be in uh condition number 16 which lists the previous applicant as the permite so uh uh condition of approval 16 would be revised to indicate that Ayr I'm sorry that Granby Toby is now the permite um Peter I know we discussed this uh previously but I might have misunderstood so they actually never completed the requirements for the permit a the Ayr Wellness did not right and that's that was part of my um um concern because I got a request to transfer the permit before it was issued so you got to issue the permit first so is there actually a permit to transfer because it wasn't ever completed the process well it's it it's the I think it's we have to be careful about the permit and the approval I think the approval is what gets transferred but some in some cases we're calling it the permit but it's essentially the same thing the commission voted to approve the application of Ayr wellness and now the property owners or actually Ayr Wellness is requesting that the commission transfer it to the property owners so we have final plans we have um the uh written request and the notice I'm sorry and the conflict of interest form according to the regulations so again I'm recommending that the commission approve this transfer so I just trying to get this straight in my mind so this property we approved it and now they've completed all the

steps to get the final permit or there are still issues no the the only outstanding issue for the for the original permit was the submittal of final revised plans and they we have we have those plans now okay so that part has been has been done okay and that's in digital format uh we got uh I think we got paper ones too you want to see them no okay okay I just want to make sure we're being consistent well yeah this is a somewhat odd situation here because of the you know most of the time when you when you get approvals um uh they want to you know they're at that point they're going to move forward and start construction right for whatever reason that didn't happen right so it was really up to Ay uh Ayr Wellness to finish their permit you know requirements so their permit process has been completed yes okay okay so then we are transferring the permit that's the request that's the uh that's the item on the agenda yes okay any questions from the commission I um I I I just wanted to mention I I'm almost positive that I voted to deny the this permit application um but because this isn't a vote on the application itself it's a vote on the transfer um then you know I'm not going to base my my tonight's decision on my previous decision um but uh I I will still say that I'm opposed to it but uh that doesn't really matter the application was approved right and I

also you know part of housekeeping we only have five commission members here tonight you need four in the affirmative for uh for a motion to pass and you have the option to wait to the next time which is kind of late now but you know so I think we can move forward uh can I'd like to ask Peter a question okay Peter yeah I'm listening so this was a very convoluted drawn out permit if I remember correctly because it first came to us as having had clear cutting done and some sort of violation correct and the violation was separate from the permit application well where I'm going with that is they took care of the violation they gave us a a landscape plan for restoration and then when it came time for the permit more plants were added to the buffering my question is was any of that started did they ever do any type of planting no but it is still a a requirement and is shown on the uh approved lands so they were kind of uh the the uh plantings that were required for the violation are shown on the plans for the develop so that's still part of it but they haven't started them yeah that you that's that's an interesting issue in my mind because we could easily have let that slit by that the permit was never

completed therefore no restoration work was ever done for the initial violation so that's something we need to think about in the future if we end up with some sort of violation and then a permit request after that yeah Kevin you know we've talked about that before and I can't remember how we've solved that but when there's a violation and then they put it in an application there's always been some talk of don't let the applicant put in the application until they satisfy the um the violation well we're going to talk about discussed that before all right well I'm not I'm not I'm not saying that as a means of I'm just trying to get things it's just a basic question okay I'm not looking to hold this process up but but in this case I think that and correct me if I'm wrong Peter it's clearly on the plans and and in the minutes what has to be done to uh get a Co for the building is that correct yes okay all right okay all right any other questions uh yes I do alen um two things did we say that the um no this didn't go to tpz did it yes yes I believe it did it did and it was approved yep and then the town planning and zoning commission thought we voted on a

moratorium on cultivation centers after this was approved so that wouldn't impact this in any way would it no but that's really a um not a Wetlands issue it's a it's a zoning issue only yeah you wrong wrong hat right right just making sure what I'm not sure exactly the wording in the moratorium and when it was set to expire but what it how far it went but thanks I'm good okay thank you I do have one more question um Can can the applicant just State for the record that there have been no modifications to the plan that was approved just so it's on on record that there's been zero modifications I won't say that we made the modifications requested by the last Wetlands commission meeting we have made modifications but they are by the are the engineer that made the original drawings for the wetlands application he made the he made the revisions requested by the wetlands commission so there have been revisions well the revisions were the revisions were part of the approval that's correct so there have been no revisions since or beyond what was approved that is correct okay anything else is there a motion to approve the transfer would you like me to make that sure go ahead I beat out the last time um so uh I'm going to make a motion to

approve the Wetland permit transfer from Ayr Wellness to uh from from uh applicant Ayr Wellness to the applicant and property owner grandby Toby LLC with a revision to condition 16 that uh changes the asse to grandby Toby LLC address 24 Toby Road Bloomfield and is otherwise uh subject to all the conditions of the original permit is there a second seconded by Katie uh point a point of uh correction um Mr chairman it's should be 16 Toby wrote for the address oh I wrote four 24 in the memo oh isn't it 101 gramy Street yes but the address of the LLC is 16 Toby not 24 Toby wrot okay yeah it's all was neighborhood just down the street yeah yeah so uh I'll consider that a friendly Amendment do I need to restate that whole thing no no you accept the change well Katie also has to and Katie do you accept three second yeah a three second okay all right all in favor I I opposed stain it's unanimous thank you thank you very much all of you I thank you for

your time all righty thank you have a good night right we are going to uh ask um Mr Mara back he's in the waiting room yep I'm going to take him off hold it says yeah okay can I can I um I want to talk to uh commissioner wilcox's question or comment about violations and applications i i before we get into this one because it might be relevant um I think that what we had discussed was that moving forward as part of the violation the if there's an application expected that sort of the requirement be um that either an approved application be um an an approval of an application be submitted or the violation be corrected so like if if there's fill it's kind of like by this date you have to either have an approved application or you have to remove the the the fill that way it's not there's nothing it can't be left undone or untaken care of if you will um so that way it's covered I think that's what we discussed but did we discuss that after this last I mean after that I I don't remember when we discussed it a while ago because it seems like this one slipped through the cracks if they didn't come back with the transfer right we might never have known yeah I I I it was probably after this one that we just talked about but does that mean that if somebody fills in their property and then says whoops and then submits a plan

they're okay but they have to have the approval and if we don't if we don't approve it yeah I I I think we should open the the next one because all of these will come up but yeah there is definitely an innate conflict right in having a existing un un uh fulfilled notice of violation and that make making an application for the same you know the same material or the same issue you know we had that one high-profile case where the perpetrator was uh here in Bloomfield obviously but with an address for West Harford and we set time where certain things had to be done by this time by that time and that Peter had to coordinate with them to go out and check and make sure it was being done uh I'm not sure I like the idea that we're setting work for people Peter uh but that's one way to get around this that uh we need periodic checks either from the the person who's in violation or or somebody has to go out and look to see if it's being rectified right by set date yeah yeah and then then the other tricky thing is if you get an approval for a application you don't have to do it so if you get a a permit to do something it you're not required to do it you just have the allowance to do it um so that is a loop yeah yeah but if you have a violation right what happens to that yeah so you know years ago we always used to say you know take care of the violation first yeah then submit the

permit which you know they say well how did it you know why do I have to dig all this out and then put it back in yeah because you did it wrong right did it without permission yeah yeah so no I agree yeah let's get let's open up the applicant for uh 93 Lincoln terce and we can discuss that 63 633 63 um all right who's here for the applicant for 63 Dwayne uh Peter you got a report for this yes I do um there's a uh uh memorandum dated February 10th um which kind of discusses what you guys have just been talking about um properties presently the subject of a notice of violation um in a property and topographic survey was requested for the no notice of violation um this survey would also suffice for the existing conditions survey required for the application but without the app without the survey the application is incomplete so the commission can make a uh make a ruling a determination that it's not complete at this time uh if the if the survey is submitted by the end of February then a public hearing could be scheduled for this application uh on the March 17th I got it right this time meeting um otherwise the commission would need to vote I believe to deny the application at the March meeting um as I said

before uh there's a conflict of interest um uh with this application uh there is a conflict with this application to return sorry to retain The Fill material and the notice of violation corrective measure requiring its removal however the removal of the fill would remove the violation and I say that there may be a compromise to be found between these two but we need that survey to I need that survey to even come up with what might might be a reasonable um uh compromise so I'm we really can't can't do can't do that without the survey um there's also the issue of uh some of the material being in the FEMA flood zone but that's a zoning question not a not a Wetlands question um so my recommendation would be for the commission to make a ruling that at this point the application is incomplete uh and again if we see the we get the um notice I mean if we get the survey by the end of February then I can schedule a public hearing for the application um because I need um almost two weeks to do the proper notification through the newspaper for a public hearing so uh I would send out on Monday for publication on the two Wednesdays before that meeting which puts me back down to about the end of the end of February uh is when I would need to get that out to the newspaper so if you know if that's a uh if we're looking for timelines that

would be the first that would be the first thing is to uh make sure that I get that survey in a reasonable amount of time okay um is the app applicant I you know in the previous um hearing uh the applicant was talking about money being tied is he aware of the cost of going forward with a public [Music] hearing when you say aware of the cost I don't understand um what does it run to what's the cost Peter involved in doing a public hearing well there's there is a uh for for public hearings um we have uh on top of the regular fee there's a $250 public hearing fee um that $250 goes to publication of the uh of the notices uh in the Hartford current um and if there is a decision of the publication of the decision so it's not a it's not a lot of not a lot of extra money okay I mean I understand but the the what we speaking about it automatically has to happen even after the topographic survey has been submitted correct yes sir okay so it's just a part of the process that we're going through so right well that's if you wanted to move forward with the application if the other the other option is to just deal with the violation and if to put a lean to put a lean on my house nah I I mean to find $3,000 is easier than to have a lean on my house trust me well if if if you correct the violation then there's no fine and you know we're not there I I

I I I sound and swear as I sit here on this computer it will be corrected by the hook or the crook it will be corrected so then that leaves us back to David's question do we take the cart before the horse or you know we go down this Road a lot well I I agree you go down this road a lot and I've been working with Peter since the beginning of this and I mean he has actually I I am grateful for him especially in this meeting asking for extra time for me because um we have worked personally out in the town with applications and stuff and I mean I know you guys don't gamble I don't gamble myself but you can take my word to the bank the topographic survey will be given so there's no so we don't have a complete application we need to survey to we need the survey to finalize what the damage is is that correct Peter what the elevations and then the changes of the encroachment is yeah what the corrections is we need well the yeah as a starting point as you know something to go we don't have an accurate survey of what what was brought in all right so I don't think we need a motion it's just not a complete application I think that's right yeah I do have an additional question about uh one of the things that you called attention to Peter about the flood encroachment the need for a flood encroachment permit um in your notes uh

I think you said the Wetland per Wetland permit application would need to be modified to include the creation of compensation compensatory storage for the flood plane um I don't know what the turnaround time is for the flood encroachment permit but is it possible for that to be done before the application for the Wetland permit that way there's not a need for a modification I I don't know what the turnaround time is um yeah I'm not sure either but there there is some of this material is in the flood plane right so they would have to get uh you know Mr marov would have to submit an application to Planning and Zoning for that permit and the way that the typically these go is that you have to make you if you encroach on the flood plane you have to make compensation uh volume somewhere else um the only place somewhere else that that could happen on Mr Mara property would be in the wetlands so it's uh you know if the if the uh planning uh approval is is granted then uh a modification may have May have to be made to the plan to show where that extra volume is going to come from but this is all theoretical too because we don't know the volume yet we don't know what it is so Additionally you said that there doesn't appear to be suitable location for wetland mitigation um on property so I I'm not sure you know it's it's on the applicant to figure that out but um you know if we're requiring mitigation for impacts to Wetlands um is that even

feasible well we can do it somewhere else in town well there's also other ways to to do mitigation besides creation but it right will be challenging yes yeah yeah just considerations for the applicant I think to uh you know fully understand what what's going to be ahead of him Peter I you don't have the final plan the plans but well is it POS at all possible to remove the uh fill and call it a day sure that's what I was gonna ask then you don't need an application right yeah yeah that's definitely that's definitely one of the options you would need an application to remove the fill no because correction for the violation it would be part of the notice of violation corrective measure oh it wouldn't be you don't need a permit to correct the the problem or the issue that would be a cheap way to go maybe yeah yeah I don't know how much fill is there that's why you know well again that's why we need that service yeah okay so let's wait for the plan all right um just just one question on this sure could the weather potentially drag this out a little bit if we get you know three more yeah oh yeah well the the survey is the guys came out already as I mentioned earlier so knowing that the snow is out there right now I don't think they're coming back so I'm assuming which um tomorrow I'll call Brian which is with the company in Simsbury to to um get an up

date on what's the status on the survey but these guys came out over two weeks ago oh okay thank you so so what will stop or slow down the process with the weather is if we ask him to remove it but if we get the plans then or the survey then we can see what needs to be done and make certain decisions B move forward yeah yeah okay the other the other problem is you know if he can't meet his finan financial obligation to the surveyor which you know that that could happen that could slow down the process okay all right so we don't need to make a motion we don't have to do anything other than say we'll hear back from you when we hear back from you yeah well he's he's try he's shooting for for March right for as Peter mentioned as Peter mentioned earlier if he can get the survey at Hand by the end of the month I mean we're in the middle of the month two days three days shy off the middle of the month I mean oh we February carry 28 days so it's less days but yeah you have less than 10 days yeah I I I don't know if it's possible to find three grand in 10 days but I'm gonna see what I could do so I can I can get this move forward all right good all righty anything else all right okay thank you good luck yep thank you guys right good [Music]

night okay um did the did all of you get my email uh second email regarding the amended agenda it included a lot I got a lot of agendas here okay uh I sent it out on Friday which would have been uh the 14th 14th yeah um in that agenda package I sent um uh or in the updated one I sent some information about uh an application that I received for some tree clearing at two Scotland Road um and the applicant's name is Mr Flores and I'm gonna promote him to a panelist okay and uh I'm also going going to uh bring up some uh some information here um there uh Scotland Road is is at the corner of um Scotland Road and duncaster Road and um there are wetlands in the uh southernly part of the property with uh a water course um and uh let's see too many things to click on and off uh and the uh let's see Mr Flores is

there let's see ask him to unmute um it's a relatively small area uh but uh where in all of this is share your screen anybody know should be down at the bottom somewhere down at the bottom green but for me it's bottom middle oh yeah yeah yeah the Big Green Arrow yeah so um Mr Flores came in to see me uh he wanted to geez can you guys see that that's pretty bad um he wanted to uh submit an application uh he did submit an application um and this is a sketch that that uh was developed to show where the where the proposed clearing is um so um do we have Mr Flores with us yet yes I'm here okay everyone um so uh the property again is on the corner of duncaster in Scotland Road um there's a couple of uh storm water pipes that run through here this map shows the approximate existing limit of the of the woods um but the woods are are very um overgrown the trees are all high and there's very little undergrowth in here um Mr Flores would would like to remove trees in this area um with uh um you know at least one of them is uh falling down

already um and um there are uh uh you know this is a small part of the the woods that are on the property um and and perhaps more importantly uh small um small part of the overall Woods in this part of this part of blomfield and um the uh uh this plan shows that there would need to be uh about uh you know 200 feet of Access Road um and this would be uh on the existing surface no wouldn't be any gravel put in for that access road um uh but I think it would be important for him to have an anti-tracking pad up here and some kind of erosion control measures um in this area either like I show in a V or perhaps on both sides of the water course that comes through now it's my understanding from discussions with Mr Flores that he does not plan to remove uh the stumps there's not going to be a lot of excavation here it's going to be uh removal of the trees and and hauling them out from where they are I don't know if they're going to go offsite or if they're going to be you know used by by Mr Flores but um one of the reasons that I'm bringing this kind of quickly to the commission is that uh I believe uh it would benefit uh both the applicant and the wetlands um if the commission is willing to Grant this permit uh due to the weather conditions that we have it's possible to do this work with very very little impact to the ground uh if uh if the commission is uh

again is willing um I think it would be a good you know a good uh thing to consider in uh um the application let me see hang on just a sec in my memorandum uh dated February 14th um I am uh recommending the commission uh uh prove the application um to take advantage of The Frozen Ground conditions as I mentioned waiting for the March 17th meeting would likely result in more disturbance due to to the thaw ground uh I have a a bunch of recommended conditions here 14 and all um which may seem like a lot of conditions uh but in this case uh I did not think that a uh a formal survey or um uh surveyor plan was necessary for this uh application and most of the conditions would be would would be included as you know General notes on a more on a more detailed plan so um the uh uh some of the other conditions would be um uh not usual conditions would be no construction activities uh in the wetlands or water courses more than five days consecutively or within three days of a rain or snow event um the uh um applicant uh would be uh I'm sorry the permit te would be responsible for cleaning the streets if anything gets tracked out um there's no real reason to move move the Wetland soils may be driven on but there's no

reason to move them so one of them is one of the other conditions is is that soils not be removed um and there'd be no stockpiling or disposal of material uh in or or adjacent to the wetlands um it should also be uh understood that there will be the need for some regrading of the area when the tree after the trees have been removed to remove Tire ruts or possibly to fill in um uh parts of the tree you know where there's a uh smaller tree the root ball may come up when the tree comes down so if that's the case we want them to fill in the hole but most of them most of the trees are fairly good size so I think again there might be some tree um I'm sorry some stump grinding but uh significant excavations are not are not planned um and so again it's my recommendation uh that the commission um consider uh approving this application with those 14 conditions which I didn't go through all of them but most of them are pretty standard um Mr Flores did you did you see my copy of this that I emailed and and sent to you yes yes I did okay and are you okay with th those conditions if the commission decides to vote yeah I'm okay I just uh just wanted some clarification Peter I don't know if I was uh clear when I actually submitted the application when when it comes to the stumps I I will prefer to remove them but if it's going to cause disturbance I'll be willing to adjust them well adjust to uh your

recommendation okay uh the the removal of the stumps creates a much bigger hole that's what I was that's what I was concerned about so um and heavier equipment I mean you don't really need a back ho to to cut down a tree and haul it out of the woods but you do need a back ho to remove the stumps so my recommendation would be to grind them okay grind them or leave them well yeah but I I think that the uh uh the the major disturbance of the soil is what I was concerned about is the brook still there yes it's a drain it's really a drainage Channel it would be considered an intermittent water course ask a couple questions or you got more Peter I was going to say there's no plan to to impact the water course channel in fact if it one of the other conditions is if there is any disruption of the channel that it has to be restored back to its original line and grade yeah um is is the purpose of the The Cutting of the trees to farm the wood or are you trying to clear the the area so you can use it down the road that question is for me Mr Alan yes I'm sorry yeah so in the corner of the property the the main tree is leaning there's a big tree that's leaning onto another tree that is part of my neighbors so that was the main reason

why I wanted to actually remove the trees so but there's uh maybe two more that are leaning so I figured if I'm in that area I would like to clear uh the remainder of the tree not just to go for that one that's leaning and that is uh Off The Roots okay and to answer your second question I don't know if uh if I did we don't plan to use that that area at all it's just basically just to clear the trees okay um so I I guess what I was getting at is does this fall under farming under deep I I was thinking the same thing um I I don't it sounds like based on what's been presented it's not a forestry operation rather it's more of a maintenance kind of thing yeah I was thinking the same thing though Alan yeah was I actually opened up our regulations to sort of read that real quick too um but uh doesn't seem and if it was we'd have to have a a jurisdictional determination anyway yeah okay right any other questions um I think it it'd be helpful for me if we can um sort of clarify and verify how the stump and roots are going to be dealt with um I know Peter recommended grinding rather than stump removal um I wanted to see if Mr Flores is amendable to that because I I think if you you know we're talking about trying to do it sort of quickly like while the ground is frozen I don't think you can remove the the roots with frozen ground without heavy equipment um even

without frozen ground it'd be difficult without heavy equipment but uh stump grinding is probably more feasible um but you know it's kind of up to you but it will be a greater impact if you're going to do the roots so um just I just want to verify that that you're on that on that page or if you were leaning the other way is that for me David yeah for you yeah for yeah uh yeah that's the plan uh stump grinding uh not so much to go deep into like to to remove all the roots that's where I was going as well yeah CU stump stump grinding doesn't necessarily necessarily remove Roots it just takes the stump of the tree and bring it down to either at or slightly below uh soil grade so you'll still have the roots in place uh which is actually a better thing to leave it there to let them decompose than to tear it all out and make a make more of a mess because when you do that you're also going to affect the roots of all the trees that you're trying to keep so it would be better just to take the stump out or take the stump down with stump grinding yep do the stumps have to be removed no you could do a flush cut but I mean that's really sort of on on the applicant what he wants to do with it yeah apply to do with it I mean I would prefer it to yeah go ahead I mean Pedro would you be opposed to just cutting them as low as you can go and leave leaving them well willing to take feedback from you guys uh my original plan would be to remove the trees and do the stomp

grinding but if it's going to cause uh more disturbance to that area that it's going to impact the wetlands that's where I'll I'll lean into to your expertise Peter is there any problem with just leaving the stumps no no there is not but the grinding or flush cutting of the trees stumps is is something that I think is the is the right way to go it's the removal of the stumps with heavy equipment that wasn't anticipated in this in you know in this application uh the advantage of of getting in there to cut the trees and taking them out in the cold when the ground is frozen so that you don't disturb the ground the ground if you start digging up the stumps you're going to disturb the ground so it's way better in my opinion not to try to dig them up but either cut them flush or grind them flush either one is fine I mean if you want to leave them standing six feet high you could leave them standing six feet high too I don't think you want to do that well he he could leave them you know two feet high or foot high sure yeah but if you grind them or or cut them down flush they will rot in place and not cause not create an issue so yeah if Mr Flores is okay with grinding them or cutting them close to the ground then then that's I don't think we should talk about digging digging them out at this point right yeah yeah are you in a tree cutter in business Mr Flores no I'm not friend of mine you would save some money if you didn't have to grind them yes I would yes I would um you know go ahead I was gonna say it's not part of the recommended conditions of approval that it' be ground but that was

the understanding that I was working on with my conversations with Mr Flores that it was it was going to be to to remove the trees particularly the one that's fall that's leaning and to uh you know pretty much that's it and I I'm not a tree grinding guy either they might not want to get out there in this kind of C to do the grinding but it's a relatively small machine the ones that I've seen compared to you know a big track machine excavator that would be required to dig out the stps yeah but it' be less intrusive if it didn't grind just cut as low as he can and leave them yeah and and you're right it is cheaper yeah way cheaper yeah I I think obviously Mr Flores this is your property too and you know you want to have whatever future use you're planning there even if it's not to build anything but if you you probably don't want stumps sticking up um but you know I I guess a choice is a flush cut so you still have relatively flat ground or stump grinding gets you a little bit lower um and you know we're sort of took the took the removal of the the roots and the stump out of the equation but um you know you will save money if you don't stump grind but if you wanted to go further then you know that's it's sort of on you as because it's your application um right so no definitely um I just don't want to come in here with the attitude like well this is what I want to do and is all is n or be you know um that's where I kind of rely on Peter to let me know what is it that I can do if I was to actually uh make my decision I would prefer to stump grind them um but again if it if it's going to

cause disturbance to the to the water course that'll be something that I'll be willing to adjust to not do it but in this case it it does sound like I do have the option to stump grind and that's what I will be leaning towards now I don't have any issue with grinding of the stumps it's the digging them out that I would have an issue with yeah okay all right so um any other questions from the commission any other comments I I I do have a comment um you know obviously it's it's about timing and you know we're sort of talking about doing this as quickly as possible because the ground's frozen right now if we get to a point where we get a a rapid thaw then we might have other issues um so you know watching the weather and watching the the conditions of the ground might sort of trigger the need for additional erosion sedimentation controls um so it's something to keep in mind uh moving forward um so you know if if we want to do this while the ground is Frozen um you probably want to get get it in pretty quickly agreed Peter one of your conditions was he notifies you before he cuts starts cutting yes sir uh I want to go out there and identify with the with the tree clearing contractor or with Mr Flores and whoever's going to do the cutting in the trees so that it's properly identified what which trees and and what the limits are yeah okay that's great right anything else no not for me Mr chairman all any other questions comments all right is there a

motion who approve I I think it's Katie's turn yeah mute Katie I do I I'm trying to find this in my email sorry and I've got really um strong ringing in my ear right now so I'm having a hard time well you want uh would you like me to make this I I'll jump in I have um I think your cat's trying to get in there oh I just found it oh okay yeah the cat has opinions but he's not an official commissioner um so I would move to um approve the permanent application for clearing of trees and the wetlands and water courses at two Scotland Road um by applicant property owner Mr Pedro Flores in accordance with um the town memorandum dated February 14th and the um 14 conditions there what am I missing you guys in coordination with the wetlands agent uh when tree cutting is to begin second yeah any other discussion all in favor I I I oppos obain it's unanimous Okay so you'll be out here tomorrow morning Mr for let me let me know when you want to meet out there to locate these trees you want to do you want me to call you tomorrow or you want to schedule it now no no no call call me

tomorrow we got we have a bunch of other stuff to to work on here and uh we'll we'll get out there and um identify the area and and then you can hopefully get your clearing done where the where the big thaw comes whenever that's going to be we do thank you everyone all right good luck than wishing you Frosty weather yeah okay all right so getting down to the bottom here um but we're getting through so the other thing that was added to the agenda um was this uh application for a Wetlands m Amendment U for the phase four of the Center Apartments project um I don't believe either of uh either of these people that are waiting are for that I don't see any hands up I think they're here for one of the Wetland agent permits further down uh but it's a standard Wetlands map Amendment application um and uh um the application uh was received last week I got plans uh delivered to me today um so the commission can if they like uh schedule the public hearing for the March 17th meeting uh and uh then we'll put it on that agenda I don't think we need to take a vote but or you take a vote but if everybody's agreeable with getting it on the agenda for the 17th of March then that's what we'll

do that works for me okay everybody it's so far and so far it's just a Wetlands map Amendment it's not a uh permit for going ahead with the whole project correct okay yep and it's on the uh properties on the let's see if I get my dire right the west side of Bloomfield Avenue and the north side of Gab road so there's I believe eight single family homes two on gab Road and six on Bloomfield Avenue and those are the parcels that are involved in the uh phase four Apartments project so I anticipate there will be an application for a Wetlands permit uh and that would be followed up by an application for the Planning Commission they're going to take down six houses yes they are oh um and the the uh uh the overall plan the the master plan for these uh for the apartments has has been approved from uh through planning um and the way our regulations are set up they get their master plan approval excuse me then they come back for um site plan approval and wetlands right um permanent so this uh map amendment is one of the first steps in that process so are we okay with scheduling that public hearing I have no problem problem sounds

good okay public hearing 3117 everybody has to wear green that day oh unless you're unless you're Protestant Irish oh that's right or orange I should me no I'm sorry Sor to be from the wetlands Legends that's all any green or orange from the Wetland Maps Legend there you go okay um so uh next item on the agenda is is wetland agent permits and there's a bunch of them here and I may have repeated a couple of them from last time um but we're uh uh I approved um an accessory dwelling unit at 12 Lind Circle it's the first one I'm sorry it's the second one to be approved by this commission hopefully it'll be the first one built um Lyn circle is off of uh Adams Road uh and there are some Wetlands uh with um and a water course on the property but uh this um accessory dwelling unit is in the Upland review area uh it's going to be connected to city water and city sewer so there's no septic for it um they're not even extending the the driveway much um so that one's a pretty easy one uh 200 Seabury Drive I know that I've spoken with the commission about this one uh they're adding uh 24 unit apartment Edition on the south side of the existing uh building uh I think I spoke with you guys about this one at

one of the December meetings um and there are there is um no work in Wetlands or water courses and only a very small impact to the Upland review area so uh that one I also approved with conditions um 40 ller Road um is uh uh 22 parking space expansion at the duncaster healthc Care Facility uh and that one is um uh they're going to add some parking um on one of their roads uh if you're familiar with the campus it's the road that is furthest to the West um in the duncaster health care facility there's a lot of onroad parking some of it's parallel some of it's perpendicular and they're they need more spaces so they're adding uh 22 they're adding a bank of I think it's 17 and then another bank of five or maybe it's 15 and seven um they are pro proposing to do storm water management uh with underground detention uh and they're retrofitting two stormwater outfalls with a uh uh a water quality unit a uh hydrodynamic separator two of them so uh that one is is still under review and I know that it's it's coming to planning perhaps this month so uh I'll be uh I'll be issuing a Wetlands agent permit for that with um with conditions uh and the uh number four was 380 Woodland Avenue which is diagra bottling building they want uh they want to add a third truck lane at the rear of the

building um the way this facility is set up is that trucks come in and they drive almost all the way around the back of the building or they do drive around the back of the building where they're checked in there's two lanes there they want to add a third one again in the Upland review area no impacts to Wetlands or water courses and uh that one is also under review and I'll be and will be on the planning agenda I believe so I'll be issuing that one with uh with permits I'm sorry with conditions before the planning meeting do you guys have any questions on those do do you want to see any of the plans I'm good okay wow we're getting through this agenda way faster than I thought um I think uh I don't know if you guys don't have any questions I don't think we necessarily need to hear from from these folks um but probably should ask them anyway right hello hello is that Mr farlo yes is did I say the name wrong no you actually did pretty well with it okay uh you you're here to uh for the uh 380 Woodland Avenue the third No 61 East dudleytown Road oh okay I'm sorry that's the next one okay how about how about

um Miss uh delasco hi I'm here for a trap Rock Ridge Land Conservancy and I yeah okay they're they're both here for the next one okay right but I I had a question on Lind Circle because that backs up onto Land Conservancy property and we're trying to get a survey of that property right now to determine if 12 Lin circle is encroaching onto our property so it kind of alarms me to hear that they want to build an alternative dwelling unit back there when they don't know where their property Lin well we have a new survey you're welcome to come in and take a look or I can email it to you oh yes I would love that thank you okay you want to go on to uh number seven uh seven there the enforcement action at 61 east Dudley yeah okay so uh I was made aware that there was some um erosion uh at 61 East udy Town into wetlands and water courses on their southernly side and uh I went out there on uh uh what day the 17th of January almost a month ago or more than a month and we uh uh went out there with uh Alex uh samlot who's our uh uh zoning enforcement officer and we we looked uh in the area in question and there was a pretty good siiz pile of of um uh F very fine sand uh the sand had been stockpiled there uh I don't know for how long um but there was evidence of rain erosion um into the wetlands uh and the water

courses uh on the property and possibly uh offsite to the South um but I wasn't able you know there's no clear uh marked boundary out there so I wasn't able to determine if it got off the property but it certainly was affecting the wetlands and water courses on the property uh subsequently I went out to meet with the property owners on February 5 and we walked to the rear of the sand pile and I obser or we observed at that time uh because there was no snow cover on the pile we observed that um the fine sand was blowing in the wind uh causing the surface of the of the wetlands and the frozen water courses to have you know to show uh sediments um the uh um the property owners uh uh agreed that when the um uh that that something should be installed agreed that erosion control measures should be installed uh to prevent uh further runoff from from uh the rain uh and that um at some point uh when the ground thaws we're going to need to determine the extent of the material uh to be removed from the wetlands there will be some it's probably a couple guys with uh with buckets and a straight shovel um I don't think uh they're going to need to put a a excavator in the wetlands to to remove it it isn't that much of volum there is a channel however a drainage Channel which they may have to dig out and they have the equipment right there they can do it um my uh my

um uh required corrective measures uh are uh that before this meeting the temporary erosion control measures be installed um south and west of the sand pile um and then with the anticipation that it this will be continued to the March 17th meaning um the uh uh I have uh that uh the uh uh excuse me I'm trying to find it here we go um there's a there's a system of uh of burms on the outside of this area uh in the woods that were designed uh and set up by the former Property Owners to act as a storm water uh management storm water quality uh um function uh and they were separated by maybe 50 feet these two burms uh end to end not front to back so one of my uh corrective measures prior to the March 17th meeting is toh fill the gap between these burms and and create a uh a full coverage along that South Side U this this site has a lot of uh a lot of exposed material I think almost all the time so the these BMS were set up outside of the area like maybe 20 feet 30 feet into the woods so that there was a barrier uh between the piles and the wetlands and so my first recommendation is to connect the two um number two or number three would be uh to submit an existing condition survey um to show the

changes in the limits of the stock piles and stuff um and fourth one would be accumulated sediments to be removed from within and around the wetlands and water courses south of the sand stock pile and that would be um uh you know if we if we're not thought out by March 17th they won't be able to do that so that's something to think about too and then uh the uh the existing Wetlands permit for this site was issued by um was issued to I should say the previous uh owners uh and it was as far as I can tell it had not been trans transer to the present property so a uh I'm as number five um I'm requesting that they submit an application uh a new Wetland perm application um there's [Music] um there's a uh existing uh the I should say that the existing facility includes processing of um Wood Products uh they grind up stumps they grind up allets to make landscape Ms they also use this sand according to Mr Fair claw the uh the sand pile is to mix with top soil for certain products or product um so there's there's quite a bit of uh Recycling and and you know I

think uh um most of uh most of the area understands that uh and viral cycle uh is taking a lot of material that would probably end up being in the landfill if it wasn't recycled so it's a good thing um this sand pile is not in the area where it was previously approved for um stockpiling which is why I'm asking for a new survey and for a a new application to be uh to be submitted um I believe I sent a sketch map for this to you guys um let's see yeah you want me to bring it up too yes all right hang on that was wasn't on the 14th was it yes oh no I'm beg yourinal package that was in thanks got some red marker on it yep all right let's see go back to here this site what's the date of this plan Peter uh this plan was last this was a plan that was approved for the wetlands permit I believe in 2019 yeah April 28th All right so if I can just

interject so it sounds like like this property was purchased without transferring the permit so they have no permit there and if I recall correctly uh this permit had a fiveyear life cycle they never applied for another permit or renewing the permit so basically this is an unpermitted site Am I Wrong uh I'm not sure if I'm not sure about the extension um but and I'll tell you the reason I remember because I was I was pretty mad that that's when they started putting um life cycles on Wetlands permits they didn't run with the land and they put them on like fiveyear periods like zoning right and and this was like one of the first ones I believe and so they gave it a five-year permit and they had to renew it after five years I could have been 10 years I'm not sure but I think it was five so it sounds like this there's no permits on this property uh again I I I would have to go back I'm looking in the new file I'd have to go back and look in the old file to see whether or not they they applied for an extension so so when they purchased it was there any due diligence on the permits by the applicant is that Brian yes you there you have attorneys search the documents for wetlands and Z long story short this was a Kur fuffle and a half of a mess of property I'm sure you guys are well

aware um that a mess of of a property mess of paperwork the the previous owner didn't have his ducks in a row um we pieced together this we had an environmental scientist we had an environmental engineer attorneys everything involved and everything was being done through the proper channels obviously we're not environmental Engineers we're business owners um so if something fell through the crack sometime we we don't fully know but we were told it's all fully permitted and we have the permits and it's ready to go so if that's not the case well then we need to Remy the situation and take care of it well this goes back to David's and mind uh question if there is a violation do you move forward you know well I mean I I think I think you guys get put into a hard position sometimes um you know where people aren't motivated to fix an issue and do that but you know we've got a growing business we've got a property that we've drastically cleaned up um over the last three years of owning it you know if we don't have time to remedy the situation and we are in violation well then it it becomes a whole another situation you know now Peter when I transfer um a permit doesn't the original owner of the permit have to sign off on it they have to make the request yeah uh for a transfer and I'm not sure if that's going to be possible in this case which

is why I'm recommending that they submit a new application which we we have we have no problem doing that right that's that's not a problem we can we can do whatever is needed you know um you know it's just obviously it takes a little bit of time to get that done but we we can we can reach out to the previous owner and request you know the transfer as well uh for the time being yeah it may not it may not be a valid permit my other point well from based on Peter's based on Peter's letter that went out it states that technically that permit was good until 2029 if it was extended if I understand what I was reading correctly yeah but I'm not sure it was extended because I haven't seen this come become before us in the last 10 years only well the original permit that was it well it was 2019 which we're not 10 years right now yeah but I think it was a fiveyear permit David do you have any thoughts yeah I well I'm sort of thinking along the same line if if we can produce evidence that the uh that there was an extension then we're good to 2029 understanding that it's under somebody else's name and they need to do a transfer but you know if if it wasn't extended then it expired and you know we've got an operation so the you know the the violation that Peter's identified here is sort of small in comparison to the fact that the whole operation would be in violation because there's no active permit um so it' be really good if we

could track down any evidence that the permit was extended and then we could deal with the the transfer after we confirmed that it was extended if it wasn't extended then then we've got a bigger issue to deal with um or is it just a cleaner deal to apply for a new application well I I think it it is a cleaner deal to apply for a new application but it may be that right now the operation itself is running without a permit which in turn what do we do if that's the case because I do agree that it might just be a cleaner thing that not anything that we can get out of that previous owner's name because it's such a a mess of things with that person and that old business that we're happy to not be tied any which way to him um that what do we do in the time being while we're doing the the permitting process the uh the active operations that are happening right now um how much of it is within the Upland review area not not just the stuff that's sitting there but things that are actively happening is any of it in the Upland review area or is it all in Upland outside of Upland review I'm trying to zoom in on that map and see I think I would say I would say majority of it is I can't even tell I can't zoom in well enough yeah um so let let me just I zoomed in and and the map calls out here limit of combined Wetland and water course regulated area setback so this is this line here this dotted uh

dash line long dash line is 100 feet from the wetlands or 200 feet from the water course so quite a bit of the operation is outside of the Upland review area but some of it you know based on this plan is also you know the the edges like these guys are right here this part is in the in the Upland review area yes which a lot of it is just you know mulch storage and stuff so it's not really like a a hard operation dayto day you know the center center of the property and the back of it is where majority of the the operations happens you know making the mold and everything else yeah so my my my recommendation or my my thought is first find out if there was an extension um if there was then I think we're in better shape if there wasn't see if it's possible to move all active operations out of the Upland review area until until there's an approved permit um because everything else right now is probably I'm I'm guessing pretty stable um other than you know the fact that Peter identified some some stuff that's that's moved um but with frozen ground you know I would try to turn around and application as quickly as possible to get everything in compliance yeah I mean we we tried getting Waddles in the ground we couldn't even get a steel steak in the ground to to pin Waddles in place it so Frozen right now yeah so what and what's what's your what are you calling deemed active

operations well I'm just I'm I'm just don't hold me to anything legal here but my thought is if you've got active piles that you're that you're moving either adding to or removing from then it's an active operation if you have if you have something sitting there that's not even if it's a pile but it's stabilized even by being Frozen um it's probably not it wouldn't be considered as active um if it's stabilized what if it's just wood chip is it moving are you moving in adding to a removing from well I mean there might be some piles of wood chip that we'd have to pull from to make product to get product out yeah then I would say it's active okay any other thoughts from commission members sounds like we have a pretty clear idea what needs to get done yeah three and I mean is there is there a a a timeline on researching this that you can provide Peter well I'm I'm recommending that they uh by the next meeting that they give us a a new survey um okay and that by by the meeting after that that they submit a an application for a permit but it sounds to me like you guys may want it sooner than that if it hasn't been extended right and that's I guess that's

what I'm curious about is how long will it be before we know whether or not there is a viable uh even though the extension is in the other owner's name well right is it if the permit is still valid then they need to have it trans transferred right it's not valid then they should submit an application as someone mentioned earlier as soon as possible so I guess that you know either myself or someone from uh the planning department is going to have to do a a you know a re uh do some research on it um the way that the permits are supposed to work is that and I believe this one is new enough that the commission approves the application for five years uh or until uh five years um with uh um I'm sorry that's wrong I I said it wrong commission approves the application with an extend with the expiration date as the same day as the expiration of the planning permit M or 10 years whichever comes first so if the planning permit was extended then the wetlands permit is good until the planning permit expires or 10 years which is ever whichever is soon so I'm not sure when the planning was Planning Commission approved this application and that's what I'd have to do some more research

on all right so probably the best course maybe to do the research on the permit have the applicant um get a letter from the previous owner transferring the permit just in case and uh [Music] prepare for a for um site plan everything is basically there site plans it's not don't yeah I don't think this site plan accurately reflects the present limits of the operation so that's one of the things I was asking for okay all right so we would need that too yep we can we can work on getting that yeah so if we get all three of those things in working then we can uh make a smoother transition okay does that sound you basically you basically just want a a new survey Peter is what you were saying yeah okay I would recommend working working with the surveyor that's on this plan baressi and Associates but you don't have to okay well he has the yeah I mean I I I have other two other firms I've used in the past for other projects so I mean I'll talk to a few of them see see whose schedule allows it to get done faster right and so as this plan shows the the you know and and understanding the nature of your operation these are General locations for the stock piles

some of the harder stuff like the material bins are where they are and you know Pro they probably haven't changed but you know the the what I'm looking for really is the outside limits of where material is being stocked yeah okay yeah we can do that that sound good de yeah that that that sounds reasonable on on on our end for to get that done and that and and with and with that that will help with a new Wetlands permit if it's needed correct right yes okay yeah because for some for some reason I I don't I don't even I and all honest I don't think the guy even if it is extended I don't think the guy will transfer to us just because it was a it wasn't a it wasn't an amicable separation at time of purchase and takeover so you may be forced to go ahead with h a new permit yeah and so it's one of those things I I rather shoot for worst case and if best case comes scenario great but worst case what do we need to do let's get it taken care of and let's get it done Peter does that need a a public hearing I don't think so NOP no public hearing okay yeah so we'll we'll be in touch Peter You' let me know what you need uh if you find something on your end and we'll start working on it on our end yeah and yeah keep pushing forward towards a new application and we'll do you know get the research done yeah that sound good still need to make sure the the

conditions of the violation are dealt with correct so that's sort of a separate but parallel track no we'll get we'll get that done I mean we're Peter and I we we walked it we're in full AG grant to get it done obviously we don't want to go into the wetlands area with equipment to go get something done when it's all Frozen just to get you know a waddle in place or to to dig something out right we don't want to do more damage just to rush the the thing in my mind unless you guys tell me you want me to go you know rip a trench through and put a Sil fence in you know which I don't think we none of us want to do right I mean yeah we also have to be a understanding of the of the weather so today there's two inches of ice on there yeah if if it thaws I mean if we get some warm weather where we have a general thaw and most of the most of that ice freeze I mean most of that ice thaws off it will be subject to wind and and water erosion yeah so uh I I would think that between now and the next meeting there would be plenty of time to to figure out a way to get some erosion control around that yeah if we get into the 40s like they're showing it maybe next week if we can get at least some softness to the ground we're happy to get it done we're not we're not fighting on it it's not like oh gosh this is a pain in the butt we're happy to do it so if the weather allows us to we we'll get right on it and and get it done okay uh and we're going to follow up with a meeting to determine uh how much and the extent of the removal of the Sim yep

okay I think unless no there's no motion to be made on this we need a motion to uphold it okay there no motion upold the uh no made byx seconded by second Katie Katie was quicker yep always all right all in favor I POS thing nay all right thank you guys I appreciate it all right by well of course the applicant right or the person The Violator yeah that's when you're supposed to mute our mics you know we so we can't say anything yeah okay all right thank you guys have a good night to okay so um Katherine still on yeah uh I was just going to say that I'll be happy to send her the survey that we have for 12 ly Circle um but we don't don't have an accurate survey for this property for 61 uh eastly town but it is one of the requirements so they're going to work on that and uh then we'll go from there okay okay so we can remove Katherine I think so okay you good night oh we got G very

minutes of uh December 18th I have just one thing about the minutes um once the conditions were put in they they I think they uh omitted the motion it was second but uh once the conditions were put in the motion was omitted and the motion was in the original form when Once sent uh Peter if you need to know that I can go pull it up and uh get it to you we're talking about the the on page six three on page six oh I see see that yeah right at the end of yeah once the conditions were put in I think they the motion was erased so I can send that to Peter but you but you continue to keep my seconded thank [Laughter] you yeah okay let's yeah let's do that uh Joyce that would be great not a problem that was that was my that's oh here we go I've got page six now I was looking for my page six [Music] um if we go to page five we still have conditions four is conditions the motion was made on page three excuse me oh made on page commissioner Shipman made a motion to approve the wetlands permit then the then I list the conditions which go to page four or five to the top of page six and then Mr wico seconded the motion oh I see I see it now yeah so you want it together

well the the motion comes first and then sometimes there's discussion of the of the conditions and sometimes they're they're modified you actually have actually have the uh you have the second and the vote in there twice so where the where the motion was made on page three it says secretary Wilcox seconded and the commission voted unanimously to approve and the motion that's to close the public hearing oh okay you're right yep yep okay right so the motion to close the public hearing page top of Page Three gotcha then commissioner Shipman made a motion to approve the the application yeah subject to these conditions which may or may not have been exactly the ones that I had and then after that and everybody's had discussion about what the Motions I mean the conditions are and right all of that then the motion is is seconded y oh so it's fine then yep I think I think we're okay it's okay however since you brought brought my attention to this area I did find a correction okay good it's a very minor one that's okay uh Peter same page number six uh the condition the condition number 27 yep okay uh the second line up that begins with and oh it begins with an well it's supposed to but you the second line up from the bottom oh oh oh okay it says warning signs erected that should be at not a suitable oh erected at a su at suitable locations yep it's it's the last full line of condition 27

[Music] yeah but I do have another one okay so I'm sorry the corners the sentence starting the corners of the easements no all right yeah yes yes or restrictions shall be pinned in the field by a land surveyor and warning signs erected at yeah yeah yeah yeah wow okay you're absolutely right yep uh page number two number two okay it is the second uh full paragraph Mr Cassidy stated at the last meeting okay I want you to go down to the third line up which starts with including most of the lot at 19 Overbrook Farm Road period Mr Cassidy in period I don't know what Mr Cassidy in period is supposed to mean do you see that yes okay I think it should be in should be indicated or stated that in total the conservation easements would be 5.26 Acres 29 okay that's that's what would make sense for me yeah he starts at the top Mr Cassidy and then we're talking about the conservation easements yeah I think you know we could either take out that Mr Cassidy in or or indicate that that's what he stated take your pick I think taking it out works okay yeah because we've got him stating the next line down so yeah I think we should take that sentence out that's not not

good all right Katie what did you find I wasn't at that meeting so I'm going to abstain from the um the minutes I got a quick one okay still on page two the the last paragraph um the my my name is spelled [Laughter] wrong you know I have that in my spell check so that shouldn't have gotten by I'm GNA have to make sure that I don't have the wrong spelling of your name as a as a as the correct spell check good catch David yeah we didn't get it wrong anywhere else I hope I didn't didn't notice it anywhere else yeah it's on the first page too oh yeah it is y right maybe your spell Trek is it I will do I will check them all yep the spell check ran off with an AI robot yeah yeah oh my goodness okay and and I you know I can't resist uh joining the party so I'm going to add what I think is the most minimal change still on page one we need a comma after Katie's name well this is Joyce's last night you know right yeah I I wanted to be part of your last that's okay I appreciate I appreciate the correction let's get it out there correct yep I think commissioner B person would be very proud of us yes yeah must be correct when we put it out here to the public okay okay so is there a motion prove

them as corrected so moved second Kevin seconded by K all in favor I I oppos abstain it's unanimous thank [Music] you all right other business I think we should discuss elections because Kevin um I think before we talk about elections I think we need to talk about who we have for members we're done two and a half so go ahead Kevin is it official that uh Kevin Hussein and uh naen Tobin are no longer members of this commission Kevin is official he moved he moved out of town well that'll do it and he he he submitted a resignation um naen did she file she filed the um resignation resignation but then she showed up last meeting right but she uh she she said she did she didn't submit a letter of resignation she said she didn't want to be considered for reappointment oh slightly different okay so uh it's my understanding through um uh that the uh India Rogers uh um Department that there will be uh or that someone has been uh um shown some interest and may be appointed as soon as the next um Town council meeting but the uh you know if if that

would only bring us up to seven right no six you you five and one more well what about right oh yes right and and Adam so that would be seven we're still two members short yeah I mean you guys can you we can schedule elections for the next for the next meeting if you'd like well we need we need a um a vice chairman Katie is Kevin is Kevin in charge of the uh candidate committee no but I do tend to speak up I if if Katie if Katie respectfully re uh declines uh I'm happy to put Mr Shipman's name up for consideration boy and and honestly uh uh David no no disrespect to you I think that you have enough uh to do with with being a Wetlands agent for another town yeah well the other thing and I and I brought this up before is that this this meeting or our our our meetings often conflict with with the ones that I I'm required to attend um so whenever I don't have to attend those I'm always happy to attend these but I I don't I don't want to I wouldn't want to put my name out there because I I know that I will be missing more meetings than I uh than I should be and we appreciate your effort too yes thank you very much yeah um I I still have ringing in my ear so I I couldn't only hear half of what was going on oh god well we we voted you in you're the new Vice

chair happy congratulations just well and told you promised us uh free soda machines in the student lounge so we elected youc I will not be available um April for the April meeting all right well and if we don't have a vice Chair by then then it falls on me to run the meeting let's not have that happen people they say we shoot for elections next time at the next yeah and um just looking here because I can't remember April meeting is what' you say Paul trying to remember what the date of the April meeting is 21st 21st okay yeah and there there is a chance 21st I'm sorry 21st it's only 30% chance that I may be out of the country but there is a chance I hope you go by boat not by airplane oh they fired a lot of FAA oh I'm already sweating my early April plane trip Toronto did not help yeah so should we hold up voting on you I think we may be getting off Wetland related topics here first yeah yeah I would I would just like to say that um for all of 2024 uh believe I received um I think two dozen 24 23 applications for all of

2024 uh so far this year I've gotten six in the first two months so it's likely that we're going to have a lot more than you know a lot more business uh coming up in 2025 if you can believe it than we did in 2024 again most of them most of the applications are for wetland agent permits so there's there's um not as much that comes up on the agenda for the commission to make a decision on but there still applications that I have Peter if you get overwhelmed with those types of permits can you just have them come to the commission yeah that's always an option yeah but it's not any less work for me yeah it's a little more work for you guys but it's not any more work for me well that's all right but I mean any less work it's not less work for you if we you do that okay no because I still have to review the application and come up with you know conditions of approval and yeah you know try to figure out you know how to how to protect the wetlands and water courses in an appropriate Manner and you know it the uh the thing that makes the biggest difference between the two is if there's a public hearing item there's you know that has to come to the commission you know um the uh the permit transferred today for 101 gy street that was a commission approved permit so if they're going to transfer that permit the regulations say it has to be with a vote of the commission um you know similarly for uh the two to Scotland Road if that was clearing in the Upland review area I

probably would have done it as an agent yeah but it's this is clearing in the Welling so it has to come to the commission well plus he had the issue with the [Music] neighbor didn't help but all right so we'll schedule elections of officers for the March meeting Peter okay any other business to come yeah everybody help fill the seats if you know anybody that wants to join yeah yeah I uh I actually uh gave out a a a form uh town has a form if you're interested in joining the the committee uh Paul probably filled filled one out that's what I did yeah yeah I actually gave gave one to someone that came in here to to visit me but I don't know anything about Wetlands I said you don't need to know anything about Wetlands just I told they didn't have to know anything huh I told I told somebody they didn't have to know anything will teach you right well is as a rookie training for the vice chairperson there are two requirements for the vice chair Katie one is is if the chair is not available you get to run the meeting and two when the chair is present you get to do all the [Laughter] Motions not true hey way back when when uh Allen was vice chair he did all the Motions nobody wanted to speak up there you go well we don't have a problem with this

group okay all right are we ready to uh ajour no public comments there you go any public comments no uh special thanks to Joyce for all the years of your help yes and expert thank you so much Joyce you're welcome it was my pleasure yeah too it was our pleasure too thank you thank you thank you all right is there a motion to adjourn so moved Kevin second by Paul all in favor say I I stain it's unanimous thank you all good night all and all the best choyce good night okay um let me uh turn off the yeah turn off the recordings and stuff here H okay stop oh well well I have you by all means turn off the recording but uh just to pass something