Commissioners Court - Regular Meeting

Tuesday, April 28, 2026

About this meeting

Government Body
Commissioners Court
Meeting Type
Commissioners Court
Location
Bexar County, TX
Meeting Date
April 28, 2026

Transcript

837 sections (from 974 segments)

0:00 – 0:20Speaker 1

Good morning. Welcome to commissioner's court meeting on Tuesday, 04/28/2026. Commissioner Calvert, I believe you have the opening prayer with, father Jimmy and the pledge of allegiance. And I believe, commissioner Calvert, you are present. I will yield the floor to you.

0:21 – 1:05Speaker 2

You so much judge. We unfortunately had a little mishap with father Jimmy, but we are so fortunate to have a lifelong friend, Reverend Deborah Seward, is our MLK chair and also the community engagement coordinator for the San Antonio archive, African American archive and museum. Reverend Seward is a proud alum of Highland University, excuse me, of Highlands High School. She dedicated thirteen years of service as a paraprofessional in the special education department at the San Antonio Independent School District. She holds certifications in early childhood education from San Antonio College and lay ministry and and pastoral studies from the Oblak School of Theology.

1:06 – 1:46Speaker 2

Her divine calling led her to becoming licensed in ministry on January 2037 And she is married to Reverend Butch Seward, mother to one biological daughter and affectionately known as mom to many, including myself who because I've known her since I was literally a child. She she looks the same. She hasn't aged a day. Her heart beats for service as evidenced by her dedication to community engagement, event coordination and volunteer support for the San Antonio African American Archive and Museum. Beyond her work at the museum, she also actively contributes to our community.

1:46Speaker 2

As I said, she is our MLK March chair. Reverend Seward, if all would rise in the Commissioner's Court, you have the floor, Reverend Seward, for our prayer.

1:58 – 2:20Speaker 3

Shall we pray? Father God, we thank you, Lord, for this day. We thank you for everything that you've done in our lives. Lord, and we don't take it for granted because blessings come from you, and we're so grateful. Lord, I wanna ask a special blessing on our commissioners today.

2:20 – 2:53Speaker 3

Lord, I ask that you guide them and lead them as they lead this city and throughout. Lord, I ask for blessing on their staffers as they continue to support the leadership. Lord, and I ask a rich blessing on the city of San Antonio and Bexar County and the surrounding cities. Lord, we need you more than anything today and beyond. Lord, our future lay in your hands, and we cannot do anything without you.

2:53 – 3:30Speaker 3

Lord, we thank you for this very moment. We thank you for everything that you will continue to do as we work, Lord, to serve this community. Lord, let us do it with truth, honesty, and with love. Lord, we thank you for everything that will happen in today's session. Lord, and I pray your richest blessings on all the proceedings. Thank you so much, Lord, that you continue to love us the way that you do. And it is in Jesus' name that I asked and I pray and I believe. Amen. Amen.

3:31 – 3:49Speaker 2

Thank you, Reverend Stewart. If everyone would turn towards the flag and repeat the pledge of allegiance. Pledge allegiance to the flag of The United States Of America and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.

3:52 – 4:05Speaker 1

Thank you, commissioner Calvert. We'll take up agenda item three, request of commissioner to identify items from consent agenda for additional discussion, approve remaining consent agenda items. Commissioner Clay Flores?

4:06Speaker 4

Can you come back to me, please?

4:08Speaker 1

Alright. Commissioner Rodriguez will shortly be here. Commissioner Moody? I don't have it. Commissioner Calvert?

4:16Speaker 2

No items, judge. Thank you.

4:19Speaker 1

I'm back to you, commissioner.

4:21Speaker 4

Nothing equaled, judge.

4:22Speaker 1

Alright. Okay. Is there a motion?

4:26Speaker 4

Move for approval.

4:27 – 4:46Speaker 1

Motion by commissioner Clay Flores. Second. Second by commissioner Moody. Any further discussion? Hearing none. All those in favor signify by saying aye. Aye. Any opposed? Motion carries. Let me see that I believe there might be some citizens to be heard. I need in in regards to consent. Let me have those right now, please.

4:48Speaker 2

Alright. Which one are random?

4:52Speaker 1

One are random?

4:53Speaker 5

These right here. Okay. These are right here.

4:55Speaker 1

Mhmm. Which one are consent? This one.

5:00Speaker 5

Right here. These

5:20 – 6:05Speaker 1

It doesn't have one. Alright. I'm trying to accommodate those that had signed up for consent. As you just heard, the entire consent agenda has been approved. All those matters of consent are now been passed by unanimous vote of the court. However, in order to accommodate and as a professional courtesy, I want those that signed up if you still wish to speak. I will I have agenda item 52. I have a one, two, three, four, five, six, seven people. 52 has been passed at this time. I will call your name out.

6:05 – 6:19Speaker 1

If you wish to speak, you have three minutes. If you wish to wave, I certainly understand. First one will be Jim Burke. Do you wish to speak? This is agenda item 52.

6:20 – 6:34Speaker 7

I'm representing mister Burke and and the other folks that signed up for item number 52. So mister Burke had signed up to make a presentation when the item 52 came up. But if no presentation I'm

6:34Speaker 1

donating my time to Rob Alright. Rob Killen, you have three Judge. Actually, you got six minutes with him yielding.

6:40 – 6:56Speaker 7

No. No. I I actually signed up for for myself as well to speak on this for item 52 with Syrian Citizens. I got mister Burke and the other speakers on item 52. Really, he's here. Mister Burke is here to answer questions about the item. But if you'd like me to speak under my son, if I can do that right now.

6:57 – 7:42Speaker 7

So thank you, judge Skye, commissioners. My name is Rob Killen. I'm an attorney of law firm of Killen Griffin and Fairmont. Our address is 10101 Union Place in San Antonio here on behalf of mister Burke. Mister Burke is here today to make a donation to Bexar County in the amount of $2,175,000. That donation is to pay for critical infrastructure in Southeast San Antonio, which will be considered under item 52 on the agenda. You have a couple of items. One is an agreement for mister Burke's donation to Bexar County, and then an advanced funding agreement to take mister Burke's donation and give it to TxDOT to pay for a ramp at thirty seven and military. So project that TxDOT has been working on for a while. It is similar to an agreement that this court approved back in 2015.

7:43 – 7:57Speaker 7

So you had an advanced funding agreement and a donation agreement back in 2015. Parties have changed. So one of the action items on your agenda today is to take the old agreement and get rid of it. There's a entity called CIRCA that was part of the original agreement. They're gone.

7:57 – 8:37Speaker 7

So basically bring it up to speed. And so mister Burke has been and his family have been frequent and heavy heavily engaged throughout the years with San Antonio as leaders, as donors. Mister Burke has made a number of donations of land or money over the years for parks, for Brooks hospital, and higher education. This donation today will help alleviate some traffic congestion at that military and I 37 interchange. We started working on this new version of the agreement about four months ago, working with textile, working with your public works department.

8:37 – 9:18Speaker 7

We've worked with the city of San Antonio. On March 31, the district attorney's office sent us the final version of the agreement. We executed it, and we were agendized for today. So I just really wanna say today, thank you. I wanna thank your Public Works Department. I wanna thank the DA's office, City of San Antonio. In particular, I wanna thank Charles Benavides, the district engineer with TxDOT who has worked overtime on this. And then Commissioner Calvert, know Commissioner Calvert is remote, but Commissioner Calvert, thank you so much for for taking the lead on this. But really just wanna thank the court for their engagement on this important vital piece of public infrastructure. So with that, I will conclude my remarks and and ask you to accept mister Burke's donation of 2.175.

9:18Speaker 1

Rob, would you please stay right there?

9:21 – 9:51Speaker 1

sir. The court the court me has erred. 52 is not part of consent. And so the consent agenda items have all been approved by prior vote. So I am now gonna call up for purpose of the record item 52, which is a late file. So I'm asking the court for permission to consider all late files. So if I could have a motion to consider late file items fifty, fifty one, 52, 53. Is there a motion?

9:51Speaker 2

Move approval to have all late filed items on the agenda.

9:54Speaker 1

Motion by commissioner Calvert, second by commissioner Clay Flores. All those in favor, signify by saying aye. Aye. Any opposed? Any abstention, motion carried.

10:03 – 11:01Speaker 1

The court will now call up item 52 and have discussion appropriate action related to the granting exception to administrative policy 1.2 to authorize consideration of following late file agenda item 52 a. Having approved the late file 52 a, discussion appropriate action regarding approval of indemnity agreement between Bexar County and Indian Homes for the construction of the interchange of I H 37 State Loop 13 Southeast Military Drive as well as associated frontage roads. Approval of amendment number one for purpose of terminating the advanced funding agreement executed between TxDOT and Bexar County on November 1335 and approval of a voluntary local government contributions advanced funding agreement for $2,175,000 between Bexar County and the Texas Department of Transportation. Do we need a presentation by mister Wegman? I just for purpose of the court, we've actually had mister Killen do that for us.

11:01 – 11:17Speaker 1

Also too, then let me go back to the citizens we heard. Mister Killen, I just wanna make sure anybody is here because Miranda Aguirre, are you here? Miranda? Where are you? Miranda Aguirre?

11:17 – 11:30Speaker 2

And judge, it would be, I think, very good for the public to get Dave Wegmans presentation just because it's such an important infrastructure intersection. It helps educate the community. So hopefully, he's close.

11:30 – 12:09Speaker 1

So noted. But let me go ahead and get the citizens to be heard. Diego Albrecht. Hi. How are you? You? Yes. Commissioner Rodriguez, we have the proclamations. Priscilla? Yes. Shelly? Bookman? Butchman? Shelley? Butchman? Alright. Roger Williams? Roger Williams? Okay. Steven Vickers.

12:10 – 12:52Speaker 1

Steven Vickers. Alright. Mister Wegman, where are you? The court has called. Is Jeff Bradley in the room? Jeff, did you sign up? You didn't put what you signed up for. Which item? Jeff Bradley. Number five. Okay. Got it. Okay. Alright. Mister Smith.

13:25Speaker 1

Hold on. Hold on. We got a motion on the floor.

13:57 – 14:13Speaker 8

Judge, David. David Webb couldn't make it here today. So I'm representing him. This item was on consent. It got pulled. Unfortunately, we don't have a presentation. But I believe the gentleman over here already presented the item. So if have any questions?

14:13Speaker 1

Alright. Commissioner Calvert, this is in your precinct. Do you have any questions or further comment?

14:17 – 14:52Speaker 2

No. I'm I'm appreciative to move this infrastructure forward to improve the interchange at 37 And Southeast Military. It's a very congested area and this helps us with that congestion. It will be another triangle, believe, configuration similar to what Blanco Road is developing. So I'd like to move approval of the indemnity agreement between Bexar County and Indian Homes Ltd for the construction of the interchange of IH 37 and Southeast Military Drive, Loop 13 as well as the associated frontage roads.

14:53 – 15:08Speaker 1

Second. Motion by Commissioner Calvert. I take it we're gonna take it as separate motions. We got the three motions, so second by Commissioner Rodriguez. Any further discussion? Hearing none, all those in favor, second by saying aye. Aye. Any opposed? Any abstention? Commissioner Calvert, second motion?

15:08Speaker 2

Yes, sir. Approval of amendment number one for the purpose of terminating the advanced funding agreement executed between Texthot and Bexar County on 11/13/2015.

15:17Speaker 1

Second. Motion by commissioner Calvert, second by commissioner Rodriguez. All those favor, signal by saying aye. Aye. Any opposed? Any abstention? Motion carries. Third motion.

15:28Speaker 2

It'll be to move to approve a voluntary local government contributions advanced funding agreement for $2,175,000 between Bexar County and the Texas Department of Transportation.

15:38 – 15:51Speaker 1

Second. Motion by commissioner Calvert, second by commissioner Rodriguez. All those in favor, second by saying aye. Aye. Any opposed? Any opposition? Motion carries. I believe that concludes. Mister Killen, you I'll let you have the closing statement.

15:51 – 16:13Speaker 7

Yeah. Thank you so much, judge, commissioners, commissioner Calvert, and and everyone involved on county staff, as well as, again, our friends at TxDOT. This is a critically important piece of infrastructure. The diverging diamond design will significantly reduce wait times at that intersection, twenty, forty minutes in some cases. So we're very excited to have it happen and look forward to seeing it built. Thank you very much.

16:13 – 16:34Speaker 1

And mister Killen, I would like to express my gratitude to the Burke family. They're an integral part of this project. So, mister Burke, thank you. And I'd like to just recognize and ask that we give the Burke family a round of applause. And if you have any closing statements Thank you so much, judge. I love your brevity, mister Burke. Thank you very much.

16:35 – 16:57Speaker 1

Alright. Let us go back then to ceremonial and get through that. And I'm gonna ask for brevity, please. So that first one will be presentation proclamation on behalf of commissioner's court recognizing Jewish American heritage month by commissioner Moody. And commissioner Rodriguez, we need your signatures.

17:18Speaker 10

Good morning.

17:24 – 17:44Speaker 11

Well, it's an honor to be able to recognize May as Jewish Heritage Month. And to see today's proclamation, we have some friends from the Jewish Federation of San Antonio with us today. I think I have everybody. Amanda Feit, Leslie Mette, Sarah Edinger, Sarah Ram, Lisa Guerrero. I don't see Craig.

17:44 – 18:25Speaker 11

I do see Noah and Ari Lasky. So thank you for being here to to receive this. The proclamation reads, whereas May 2026 is recognized as Jewish American Heritage Month, honoring the contributions of Jewish Americans to The United States, Texas, and Bexar County. And whereas May was officially first proclaimed Jewish American Heritage Month by president George w Bush in 2006. And whereas, the American Jewish community traces its roots to 1654 when Jewish refugees arrived to escape religious persecution and to seek religious freedom, beginning a legacy that has helped shape our nation.

18:25 – 19:28Speaker 11

And whereas the Jewish families have lived in Bexar County since the eighteen forties when early settlers helped build San Antonio and founded the first Jewish congregation in Bexar County in 1874. And whereas, the Jewish community of Bexar County has contributed significantly to the cultural richness, economic vitality, charity, and civic leadership of this region. Their contributions and legacy include the Lighthouse for the Blind, the Tuesday Night Music Club, the San Antonio Symphony, the Holocaust Memorial Museum of San Antonio, the Jewish Community Relations Council, Child Advocates San Antonio, and Jewish Family Services. The community's dedication to civic life includes includes taking on positions of leadership and helping to dismantle segregation during the civil rights movement. And whereas the Jewish American Heritage Month provides an opportunity to reflect on these contributions, recognizing the resilience and achievements of Jewish Americans, reaffirms Bear County's commitment to combating prejudice, standing against anti Semitism, and all forms of hate, and promotes unity among our residents of this county.

19:28 – 19:40Speaker 11

Now therefore be it resolved that the Bexar County Commissioners Court hereby designates May 2026 as Jewish Heritage Month. Signed your commissioner's court. If you'd like to say a few words, please.

19:45 – 20:10Speaker 5

Thank you. It's an honor. Thank you commissioner Moody and judge Sakai, commissioner Rodriguez, Commissioner Clay Flores, and Commissioner Calvert. We're really honored today to mark the beginning of Jewish American Heritage Month for the month of May, and we're just proud residents of Bexar County, and just really happy to be part of the vibrant fabric of our county.

20:12 – 21:02Speaker 1

Thank you. Would you please step forward to accept the proclamation and take a picture? Commissioner Calvert, I'm teeing you up. You have the next three. The first one will be the animal day.

21:03 – 21:32Speaker 1

The next one will be the Masonic Lodge, and the third one will be the second chance month. So we'll take a presentation and proclamation on behalf of Berk County Commissioners Court recognizing April 30 as National Therapy Animal Day and the work of volunteers, Cynthia, happy buttle buttle it's not Butler. It's Buttles, and Linda Kaiser and their therapy animals serving the Bear County community. So I'll ask for a correction of the agenda to say Buttles, b u t t l e s. Alright. Com comrade Calvert.

21:33 – 22:06Speaker 2

Thank thank you so much, judge, and all the team that's down there. And we have this proclamation in the name by the authority of the commissioners court of Bear County. And it reads, whereas therapy animal teams serve communities across The United States including Bexar County. And whereas pet partners has designated April 30 as National Therapy Animal Day. And whereas research shows that interaction with therapy animals can reduce stress, improve mental and physical health, and strengthen the human animal bond.

22:06 – 22:57Speaker 2

And whereas therapy animal teams throughout Bexar County play a vital role in enhancing health and well-being by fostering the human animal bond, serving a wide range of residents including veterans, seniors, hospital patients, students and individuals facing serious illness or end of life care. And whereas Bexar County encourages residents to consider volunteering with organizations such as pet partners to expand access to therapy animal services across our community. Now therefore be it resolved that the Bear County Commissioners Court hereby recognizes and celebrates, we got a typo here, 04/30/2026 as National Therapy Animal Day. Witness our signature in the civil office this April 2026 signed by your commissioner's court. Happy and team.

22:57Speaker 2

Happy to hear from you. Thank

22:59Speaker 6

you. Ahead, judge. Go ahead.

23:03Speaker 1

Or is it the honorable? Judge Boyd.

23:05 – 23:45Speaker 3

Thank you so much. Judge Boyd. Oh, good morning. It is an honor to be here, and I wanna thank judge Sakai and thank the commissioners for doing this. I can tell you that I've had therapy dogs in my court, to help with young witnesses because we have that a lot, in the felony courts, and they do just such excellent work. And so I'm honored to be here just to celebrate them because too often we overlook the therapy dogs and don't realize that they're actually doing work. So thank you so much for giving them this honor. Thank you Commissioner Calvert, and thank you, Happy and Piper.

23:46Speaker 1

And I see commissioner commissioner. Excuse me. The honorable judge Ron Ronhill. 379.

23:54 – 24:39Speaker 12

Good morning, judge Sakai. Good morning, commissioners Court. I've lost my voice. As we all know, there were two parades this past weekend, and I yelled probably a little more than I should have. Anyway, I wanna thank you for having us today. Let me tell you just a few a few moments about what therapy dogs can do and what I've seen in the courtroom. We know that the courtroom is a rigid, structured place, which doesn't feel very human. But when you consider every aspect of what makes the courtroom what it is, it's a human endeavor. Be it judge, jury, witnesses, victims of crime, defendants, and anybody that comes in as a human being with their own emotions, their own feelings, their own thoughts about things, and you can feel that stress level really come up. Therapy dogs in the courtroom really, really lowers that.

24:39 – 25:10Speaker 12

It brings compassion. It brings an opportunity for folks to feel like everything is okay being in that particular environment. And sort of as an aside, lately in the courtroom, because of the advent of technology, we have seen some real serious crimes take place. By way of example, there was a case where a young man shot at a couple of other young folks. A police officer runs up to a 16 year old child, turns her around, tries to save her life, and she passes away on video on the on the officer's dashcam.

25:10 – 25:28Speaker 12

That was very stressful for the witnesses, very stressful for the jurors. I think the therapy dogs coming in really helped to alleviate that particular stress, that particular anxiety, and allowed folks to come with a conclusion that was appropriate. Thank you for what you're doing. They are here to stay. Have a great rest of the day. Thank you.

25:28 – 27:12Speaker 1

Thank you. Would y'all please come come forward or come forward for your proclamation and a picture. Thank you, guys. Judge. Commissioner, presentation proclamation on behalf of Bexar County Commissioners Court regarding the recognizing the hundred and fiftieth anniversary of San Antonio Lodge number one, the first Masonic Lodge of African Americans in the state of Texas.

27:12Speaker 1

Oh, commissioner Clay Flores?

27:15 – 27:53Speaker 4

Yeah. I'm reading it for commissioner Calvert. If you guys wanna come forward, please. Whereas San Antonio Lodge number one, under the most worshipful Prince Hall Grand Lodge, free and accepted Masons of Texas and jurisdictions, originates from establishment in 1873 as one of the first Masonic Lodge of black men in Texas, Later rechartered as San Antonio Lodge number one in 1876. In RADS, San Antonio Lodge number one has played a significant role in the civic, professional, and spiritual life of Bexar County, counting among its members, leaders including clergy, physicians, civil rights advocates, military veterans, and public servants.

27:53 – 28:16Speaker 4

And whereas, as it commemorates its its anniversary, San Antonio Lodge number one stands as a lasting testament to the enduring legacy of Prince Hall Masonry and its commitment to service education and the betterment of mankind. Now therefore be it resolved that Bexar County Commissioners Court hereby recognizes the anniversary of San Antonio Lodge number one. Thank you so much for being here.

28:22 – 28:47Speaker 13

First, giving honor to God, the honorable judge Zakai, commissioners, thank you so much for the recognition. As stated in the proclamation, we're a 150 plus years old. As being the first, the birthplace of Prince Hall of Masonry in Texas is important to us. A 150 of making good men better. And not just the men behind me being Mason, but we're all US veterans as well in the military, various services.

28:47 – 29:23Speaker 13

And I know my brother Marine there was over at the downtown for the ceremony for the eighth on the rooftop ceremony. That's when I saw you there, but that was great. But once again, we wanna thank you all. We're looking forward to not just celebrating one hundred and fifty years, but celebrating another fifty years. Hopefully I'll be around for that time, I don't think so. But we do have a new generation of Masons that are just coming up. We just raised or had a ceremony for three just last week. So we're continuing to do the great work and thank you so much for allowing us to be here.

30:46 – 31:00Speaker 1

Alright. Commissioner Tina, presentation on proclamation behalf of commissioner's court recognizes April as second chance month highlighting the importance of reentry and recovery support services for individual transitioning from incarceration.

31:00 – 31:42Speaker 2

Thank you so much. And I'll just say as Mason's leave, my grandfather was a thirty second degree Mason. So congratulations once again. Well, judging commissioners, want to thank you all for your support of our second chance job fair. This year was one of the most heartwarming and real sign of progress as our teams from the reentry center come to the dais. We had over a thousand people who pre registered and came for jobs. And many of those folks were justice involved. We had a record number of employers, I believe over 80 this year. And this was one of the best. And I saw Renee Watson in the shot taking a picture a moment ago.

31:42 – 32:37Speaker 2

She was the first organizer for our office in the county. And I want to thank her all the way up to Ida and her great team at the reentry center who have helped to really change the culture in Bexar County of our second chance community. So this proclamation reads, whereas Bexar County is committed to strengthening public safety and community stability by supporting individuals returning from incarceration with opportunities for employment, recovery and reintegration. And whereas Second Chance Month is observed each April to raise awareness of the barriers faced by justice involved individuals and to promote policies that support successful reentry. And whereas the Bexar County Reentry Center works collaboratively with local systems and community partners to provide evidence based reentry and recovery support services that improve outcomes, strengthen families and enhance public safety.

32:38 – 33:12Speaker 2

And whereas the dedicated efforts of community organizations such as Unity Recovery, provide critical peer led support, workforce readiness services and community based programs that reduce barriers to long term stability as reflected in their ongoing participation in the Second Chance Job Fair. Now therefore be it resolved that the Bexar County Commissioners Court does hereby proclaim the month of April as second chance month witness our signatures and seal of offices April 2026 signed by your commissioners court. We'd love to hear from you all at the dais. Good

33:16 – 33:42Speaker 14

morning, Judge Sakai and commissioners. Thank you for having us here today. My name is Aida Negron. I serve as the Bexar County reentry manager. And I believe in second chances and third chances and fourth chances and twentieth chances because one of those chances might be the one where a justice involved person decides to change the trajectory of their lives.

33:43 – 34:18Speaker 14

Why is Second Chance Month important to me and to all of us here? Because as at the end of twenty twenty three, one point eight million people were incarcerated in The United States. This makes The United States the country with the largest number of prisoners in the world. The US has roughly 5% of the world's population and has more than 25% of the world's prison population. The US incarcerates its citizens more than China, Russia, and North Korea.

34:19 – 35:03Speaker 14

In 2021, state and local governments spent 135,000,000,000 on police, 87,000,000,000 on corrections, 52,000,000,000 on courts, which totals $274,000,000,000. That's a lot of money, and I think we can use that money for more beneficial things for our community. The one thing that everybody who is in jail and prisons has in common is that 95% of them will return to their communities. Why does this matter to Bexar County? Because approximately 77 to a 100,000,000 Americans, roughly one in three adults have a criminal record.

35:04 – 35:42Speaker 14

Additionally, this is the reason why nearly seventy five percent of people who were informally incarcerated remain unemployed a year after being released. To address the issue in Bexar County, every April since 2015, Commissioner Calvert has championed the second chance job fair event for returning citizens. His team and the reentry center team standing here in the black polo shirts worked diligently to provide an annual job fair at the Freeman Coliseum Expo Hall in honor of National Second Chance Month.

35:47Speaker 6

Uh-oh. Can't turn the page.

35:51 – 36:23Speaker 14

This is the place where preparation meets opportunity for job seekers. This year, seven seventeen justice impacted individuals were able to provide their resumes to fifty eight second chance employers and speak to them face to face. We are so grateful to those employers who attended our job fair. We can't thank you enough for being open minded and giving second chances to people who have completed their sentences and want to live a crime free life. You are making it possible for them to earn a livable wage and become tax paying citizens.

36:24 – 36:48Speaker 14

We are also blessed to have great community based organizations that are willing to assist job seekers with resources at the job fair. Thank you always for being supportive and filling the gaps. To all the people in Bexar County who are struggling with barriers after after incarceration, please call us or stop by our office. We wanna assist you in your journey to change your life. Najah brought some packets.

36:48 – 37:28Speaker 14

She's our employer specialist, and we wanna share that with you. I also wanna thank all of you for recognizing April as Second Chance Month, and Commissioner Calvert has been a champion, like I said, and wonderful at getting the word out about our event. And I kindly request that you share the packet with employers in your precincts so that way next year in 2027, we have 100 employers at our job fair. But lastly, before I finish, I would like to let Nigel say a few words if that's okay with everybody. I wanted to call up Susie Malone.

37:28 – 38:03Speaker 14

She is probably the only person that I know of besides Commissioner Calvert, who has been at all the second chance job fairs since 2015. And this Thursday, come on, this Thursday, she is retiring from the county after fifteen years of service at the jail and at the reentry center. Please help me give her a round of applause for her hard work and helping incarcerated as well as returning citizens over the past fifteen years. I would appreciate it. Yes. Alright.

38:06Speaker 1

Miss Malone? Yeah.

38:08 – 38:38Speaker 14

She's gonna this is a packet that will help employers understand the importance of hiring the formerly incarcerated, as well as giving them information about how to find the incentives. SHRM, which is the national organization that provides HR managers with information on how to change policies at your workplace that, will allow an individual to work there, and just not cut them off because they have a background.

38:40Speaker 5

Thank you so much.

38:44 – 39:15Speaker 15

Hello, everyone. My name is Naja Barantes. Like Aida had said, I serve as the career and technical education specialist for the Bexar County Reentry Center. This proclamation is important because it reflects what we do and what we see every day in our office. We sit with people who are ready to grow, contribute, and work. They just need that opportunity. Right? Right now, there's a big gap between those ready to work and those willing to give the second chance. We're working really close to educate employers on the incentives and benefits around second chance hiring. Right?

39:15 – 39:46Speaker 15

We have this big talent pool that's untapped into of people who have certifications and trainings and are ready to contribute in a meaningful way. This work is about creating spaces where people are not defined by their past, but recognized for their potential, and where employers choose to lead with opportunity. Our call to action is very simple, to partner with us, open your doors, and be a part have employers be a part of a stronger, more inclusive workforce. When we invest in second chances, we strengthen families all around Bexar County. So thank you all for having us here today.

39:48Speaker 14

Sir, I believe the unity people are here as well.

40:26Speaker 1

Thank you very much. Mister Calvert, for your leadership on the re reentry program.

40:35Speaker 2

Thank you for your support.

40:37 – 41:27Speaker 1

Alright. The next one will be presentation proclamation behalf of commission court recognizing May 2026 as Bexar County Small Business Week and highlighted in partnership and efforts of the US Small Business Administration, SBA, San Antonio District Office, Texas Southwest SBDC Network, UTSA SBDC, and Bexar County Small Business and Entrepreneurship Department. Miss Renee Watson, I will read the proclamation. Whereas, small businesses are the engine of the American economy and the foundation of a free and prosperous nation built by people of all backgrounds who work hard, take risk, and believe in the power of the American dream. And whereas in our fields, on our factory floors, or at the frontiers of technology, small businesses are driving the innovation and building the products that keep America strong, competitive, and secure.

41:27 – 42:28Speaker 1

Whereas this country's 30,000,000 small businesses create nearly two out of three net new jobs in our economy. We cannot resolve to create jobs and spur economic growth in America without discussing ways to support our entrepreneurs. And whereas the president of The United States has proclaimed National Small Business Week every year since 1963 to highlight the programs and services available to entrepreneurship through the US Small Business Administration, SBA, Bexar County Small Business and Entrepreneurship Department, and other government agencies. And whereas the SBA recognizes small business owners' successes and contributions to our nation in celebration of the winners, the San Antonio Small Business Awards luncheon cohost by Texas Southwest SBDC Network will be held on 05/07/2026 at the Norris Conference Center. Now therefore be resolved that the Bexar County Commissioners Court hereby proclaims May 4 through 05/08/2026 as Bexar County Small Business Week signed by the members of the court.

42:28Speaker 1

Let's give them a round of applause too. Good

42:32 – 42:48Speaker 16

morning. Good morning and thank you. Renee Watson, I serve as the director of the small business and entrepreneurship department at Berwick County. Today is game day, which impacts a lot of small businesses in our community. So we're gonna start off by saying go Spurs, go wrap it up tonight.

42:49 – 43:19Speaker 16

So we can continue to have more activity as we look forward. The Spurs are our partners in our celebration and today we have and we're recognizing our partnership with the US Small Business Administration as well as the UT San Antonio Small Business Development Center. Several of their representatives are here and we will have remarks from our SBA deputy district director, Anessa, and she will give you some remarks on behalf of the SBA. Thank

43:19 – 43:34Speaker 17

you. Thank you, Renee. Good morning, commissioners, partners, and community members. My name is Inessa Stepanenko. I'm a deputy district director with the San Antonio district office of US Small Business Administration.

43:35 – 44:52Speaker 17

As you said, judge Sakai, we've been around since 1953, almost eighty years of celebrating National Small Business Week. And we're here today, and it is our privilege to join you celebrating National Small Business Week and the proclamation recognizing May 2026 as Bexar County Small Business Week. In a city that has just come of the energy and tradition of Fiesta, it is fitting that we carry that spirit forward by recognizing and celebrating small businesses and entrepreneurs who power our local economy, as well as all the partners, community collaborators, small business champions across Bexar County who champion their success. This recognition reflects the impact and resilience of our small business community. The SBA is proud of the strong partnership between our office, the Texas Southwest SBDC Network, UT SBDC, and of course Bexar County small business and entrepreneurship department, along with many other city and county partners.

44:52 – 45:31Speaker 17

Together, we're expanding access to capital, technical opportunities, and assistance to federal contracting. This collaboration represents the success what it looks like between federal, state, city, county, academic, and local partners working together to ensure that small businesses not only endure, but grow and thrive. Thank you for your leadership, judge Sakai, commissioners, in recognizing our small business community. We look forward to continuing this important work together. Viva National Small Business Week, Bexar County.

46:19 – 47:18Speaker 1

To do the proclamation, presentation proclamation behalf of commissioner court recognizing and celebrating the greater San Antonio chapter of the American Red Cross. Red Cross, please step forward as I read the proclamation. Whereas Claire Barton founded American Red Cross more than one hundred and forty years ago since the foundation, generation after generation of volunteers has stepped up to deliver relief and care across our country and around the world, bringing out the best of humanity in times of crisis. And the Greater San Antonio chapter, the American Red Cross, was first charted on 02/11/1916, sprouting an opportunity for Greater San Antonio volunteers and supporters to advance the noble mission of preventing and alleviating human suffering in the face of today's hardships and emergencies. And whereas in this year alone, the Greater San Antonio chapter responded to the 400 disaster events assisting 1,700 impacted residents of Bexar County.

47:19 – 48:26Speaker 1

The chapter also installed 1,500 smoke alarms in 430 area homes, an initiative that has saved over 30 lives, and made 1,200 people safer, building 70 including 70 individuals who are deaf or hard of hearing, 90 veterans, 220 youth, 160 individuals with disabilities, and 400 seniors. And whereas this April, we celebrate the greater San Antonio chapter of the American Red Cross by recognizing the compassion acts of the volunteers, partners, and donors of the chapter renewing our commitment to lend a helping hand to neighbors in their greatest times of need. Now therefore be resolved that the Bexar County Commissioners go here hereby recognize and celebrate greater sanitary champion of the American Red Cross and encourage all residents to reach out and lend their support to the American Red Cross in carrying out its vital humanitarian mission signed by the members of the court. Well, let's give them a round of applause. Alright.

48:27 – 49:07Speaker 1

That concludes ceremony. I, court, I would like to take up before we go to time certain, agenda item number 50. Number 55 o. We have always obviously approved by late file. We will now take up 50 a. Discussion appropriate action regarding approval and extension to the 2023 agreement between Bear County and the law firm, Meleinberger, Gogan, Blair, and Samson LLP, and Appraisal Collection Technologies, a company wholly owned by the law firm for a six day period beginning 05/09/2026 to provide delinquent tax collections and software license, hardware purchase, and maintenance. Mister Rusty.

49:08 – 49:56Speaker 18

Judge, commissioners, thank you for allowing us to be here today. In March of this year, we upon the advice of the purchasing department, an r q was issued for professional services for delinquent collections and tax collection software. Limebarger, Goggin Blair, and Sampson LLC was the sole respondent. We currently have a contract with Linebarger that will expire on 05/09/2026. We are working to finalize our new contract along with the purchasing department so that we cannot the the problem is they cannot have a gap in the in or lapse in our contracts with them.

49:56 – 50:12Speaker 18

So we are asking today for this extension of the current term for a brief period of sixty days so we can bring back to court an agreement for the new term. I'm gonna turn over to mister Galloway and then Cliff Douglas from Linebarger is here if you all have any questions.

50:14Speaker 1

Mister Galloway?

50:15 – 50:35Speaker 8

Agreed. Your honor, commissioners, good morning. Greg Galloway, Bexar County purchasing agent. Just as Al just stated, we are working through the extension, requesting an extension so that we can finalize the new agreement with Landbarger. If you have any specific questions, we'd be glad to address those for you.

50:35Speaker 2

Move approval of the

50:36Speaker 1

Commissioner Calvert?

50:38Speaker 2

I was just moving approval of the extension.

50:40 – 51:03Speaker 1

I'm sorry. Motion by Commissioner Calvert. Second. Second by commissioner Rodriguez. Any further discussions? Hearing none. All those in favor of the motion, signal by saying aye. Aye. Any opposed? Any abstention? Motion carries. Mister Cliff Douglas, let me thank you for your services and the professional services that you provide the county. If you have any words, I will yield the floor to you. Otherwise, we're moving on to our next agenda item.

51:06 – 51:38Speaker 19

Judge and commissioners, thank you very, very much. I'm Cliff Douglas. I have been with the law firm, oh my gosh, since 1987. And we've had the privilege to represent Bexar County to collect its delinquent property taxes for the past forty six years, I think. And we want to continue that, and it's an honor and a privilege for us to do so. So we thank you. This is as Mr. Uresti said, this is a sixty day extension to allow us to just finalize the terms of the agreement. So thank you very, very much. We appreciate it very much.

51:38 – 52:18Speaker 1

Thank you. Alright. I believe we're at the time certain, so we will now go to agenda item five a. Presentation discussion, jail diversion program and strategies. Mister Thomas Guevara, you have the floor. For purposes for the public, this we've estimated that this may take an hour and a half. And I apologize, but we have this for time certain. We need to take this up. And I believe we have a presentation to be made and perhaps we have peep I do believe we have citizens to be heard. I will call you up after the presentations.

52:18Speaker 1

But mister Guevara, I yield the floor to you for the presentation on the issues regarding jail diversion programs and strategies of Bexar County.

52:28 – 52:58Speaker 20

Thank you, judge. Commissioners for the record, Thomas Gavada, office of the county manager. I'm joined today by Leticia Moreno, our deputy director for the office of criminal justice, as well as Antonio Salazar Rosas, our pretrial services manager. I'm also joined by doctor Andrea Guerrero, our director of public health, as well as many of your partners here. At the request of commissioners court, staff was tasked to bring back a discussion item on various public safety strategies to reduce jail population.

52:59 – 53:44Speaker 20

Community discussion on jail population and the issue of diversion has been amplified in recent months. Those conversations continue to highlight that our county jail serves as the largest de facto mental health hospital for mental illness. As of Monday, yesterday, April 27, the jail track report indicated the custodial jail population at 4,685 compared to 4,975 same day last year. So as part of our agenda today, staff will cover the following areas. First, we will cover two concepts that tend to be used synonymously but have distinct characteristics, deflection and diversion.

53:46 – 54:52Speaker 20

We will then provide an overview and a snapshot of both the Office of Criminal Justice and the Public Health Department's activities in both deflection and diversion. And the presentation will include a progress report on implemented recommendations from two previously funded commissioners court studies on our criminal justice system, and we will conclude with the availability for comments and share other community efforts aimed at reducing jail population. So as I mentioned earlier, Court, the use of deflection and diversions are sometimes used interchangeably, but for the purposes of this presentation and using the National Association of Pretrial Services definition, we want to ensure that we're providing distinct terminology and definitions for both terms. So we're going to make this very simple. Deflection programs will be those efforts where that occurs before an individual is arrested, and diversion programs are those after an arrest occurs but prior to conviction.

54:52 – 55:28Speaker 20

But I wanna be clear that both concepts aim to to to address underlying issues that offer treatment instead of incarceration. I would also like to take this opportunity before we move on to recognize commissioners court and this county's efforts in diversion, going back to the mid nineties with the establishment of of the adult drug specialty court, we've been recognized as leader in those areas. So I'd like to remind, we've been doing this for for years. And in fact, those specialty courts have expanded. I believe we have 12 now in a variety of specialty areas.

55:31 – 55:58Speaker 20

So deflection. The next few slides will cover the concept of of deflection in the criminal justice realm. The emergence of deflection programs recognizes that justice involved individuals could be helped before an arrest occurs. Deflection may allow for a law enforcement officer to drop off an individual at a treatment center and leave an arrest. Charges are either suspended or never filed by the district attorney's office, and no arrest record is created.

55:59 – 57:01Speaker 20

Eligibility for which charges to pursue is at the discretion of the district attorney's office, a very key point. Examples of eligible charges include theft charges under $750, possession of marijuana, less than four ounces, and criminal justice and mental health histories are factors taken into consideration whether an individual is determined eligible for deflection. A deflection location is where treatment begins immediately, and an example of that is the public sobering unit operated by CHGS. Another key criminal deflection program employed here in Bexar County is cite and release, and it's used by law enforcement to issue citations instead of taking someone into custody for certain low level offenses. Cite and release is used in cases for nonviolent misdemeanors, such as minor theft, trespassing, low level drug possession, and traffic violations.

57:02 – 57:42Speaker 20

Benefits include preventing low level offenders from being booked unnecessarily into our ADC and increases efficiencies in both time and resources for law enforcement. Some of our participating agencies are listed below, including SAPD, our sheriff's office, and a variety of our suburban cities. The next couple of slides will cover the concept of diversion and current programs operated by or in partnership with the Office of Criminal Justice. Again, the eligibility is at the discretion of the DA's office for what charges to pursue. Again, criminal justice and mental health history are important factors.

57:43 – 58:47Speaker 20

And when an individual is not eligible for diversion, that can occur when a PR bond is denied by the judge, a case is dismissed prior to us finishing our referral process, or if the defendant himself or herself denied the PR bond or diversion program directly. So the Office of Criminal Justice participates and oversees a variety of diversion programs, including GPS for pretrial defendants and specialty courts, as I previously discussed. Earlier today, commissioners court, on your consent agenda, approved a memorandum of understanding with the Center for Healthcare Services for gel based competency restoration, targeting 80 individuals in an effort to increase access to restoration services and reducing the inpatient psychiatric bed waitlist. And Jillian Jamieson and her team are here with us and available for questions. I would also like to take a little point of recognition of our staff.

58:48 – 59:10Speaker 20

Obviously, y'all fund a variety of these programs through your annual budget, but we're always constantly looking for partnerships and opportunities to reduce your efforts. So I'd like to bring Antonio up here to talk about the County Court at Law two pilot program with the nonprofit continuum. Again, that is for outpatient services, and I'd ask Antonio to come up and just kind of highlight what we're doing there.

59:11 – 59:35Speaker 21

Thanks, Thomas. Good morning, judge and commissioners. I've been asked to spend a little bit on the County Court two pilot program with Continuum. As Thomas highlighted, this is one of the programs where the treatment services, really it's a partnership within providers in the community. And I wanna give you some numbers on that program, right, and a little bit of information on that program.

59:35 – 1:00:13Speaker 21

So Judge Sines, the presiding judge for County Court Two, had reached out to me in 2025 while I was the jail population impact control unit manager. And she was asking me as far as what services do we have for individuals that are getting released into the community for addressing substance use, mental health, homelessness. One of the things that became apparent is that we have, obviously those are the three major issues when we look at jail population. So we started working on the potential of addressing and identifying individuals with substance use disorders that were being released into the community. So in August 2024, we started this pilot program.

1:00:13 – 1:00:46Speaker 21

And I will say at the beginning, it was supported through the gel diversionary process and programs that we have through OCJ. And Lifetime Recovery was our prime partner for the outpatient services. And the reason I want to highlight outpatient services is we identify that individuals released into the community, especially with a charge from county court number two, are misdemeanor cases. A lot of these individuals, we wanted to, one, ensure that substance use disorder was an issue for them. And two, we wanted to address that in an appropriate way.

1:00:46 – 1:01:23Speaker 21

Right? And that was done through a couple of ways. Public health provided at the beginning of the program by helping us with the screenings and identifying the appropriate type of treatment for these individuals. We wanted to focus on outpatient treatment because we understand that individuals getting released back into their communities on bond still have jobs, families, and other things that they still have to be out in the community, right, so that they can be successful. So with County Court two and the continuing partnership that we started in December 2025, I just wanna give you some numbers.

1:01:23 – 1:01:52Speaker 21

Right? So we've been able from pretrial services to Continuum, 226 referrals. Out of those 226 referrals from individuals being released into the community, one hundred and nine are currently engaged in programming right now. Fifty five have successfully completed their outpatient treatment and are still out in the community. Fifty nine have been referred to a higher level of care, which is residential services or medicated assisted treatment.

1:01:52 – 1:02:16Speaker 21

And also part of that fifty nine has also had their cases adjudicated or dismissed and no longer in pretrial supervision. The big key of this program is, like Thomas mentioned, it's not something that is really costing the county money in the sense of funding for treatment. We've been able to partner up with Continuum. And Continuum is providing this treatment as long as we have a pathway and a way to work together. Right?

1:02:16 – 1:03:15Speaker 21

So this two twenty six referrals, we've been able to again work on those individuals without any of the diversionary funding. And again, really what that has done to pretrial services, OCJ, the Office of Criminal Justice, is really identifying other partnerships and funding that is in the community to be able to assist individuals as they're going back into the community. And one of the things since I'm here, I wanted to highlight from pretrial and as we speak about diversion programs, is when we're looking at diversion on our end, right, the Office of Criminal Justice, we're looking at it through a lens of the judicial system. So, when I'm looking at the criminal justice system and the jail population, for example, I am taking a look at it from a population standpoint of what stage are they within the judicial process. Again, a big part of the jail population, many times, is the pretrial stage.

1:03:15 – 1:04:01Speaker 21

And it's individuals that have not been adjudicated and are waiting to go to court for their cases. We have other parts of the jail population that are part of individuals that have been sentenced and awaiting a treatment bid. We have individuals, as Thomas mentioned, our partnership with the Center for Healthcare Services in addressing incompetency that are still remaining at the jail. But when we're looking at diversion, I wanna make sure that everybody understands that we are definitely Public safety is at the forefront of what we do. And we're always looking at public safety to ensuring that individuals that are being diverted to programs are those individuals that are gonna benefit from this programming, and that are low risk offenders going back into the community.

1:04:02 – 1:04:30Speaker 21

When we're looking at diversion, we're also looking obviously at mental health, like I mentioned earlier, substance use disorder, and unsheltered individuals. And again, our support also goes to reentry and post release of individuals coming out of the jail. Because our main goal at the Office of Criminal Justice is to reduce recidivism. And again, those are the things I wanted to share with you regarding some of the programming and jail criminal justice diversion programs. Thank you.

1:04:33Speaker 20

Thanks, Antonio. And I failed to recognize Tony Gossettias, our director over at the Justice Intake and Assessment area. So

1:04:48 – 1:05:38Speaker 20

So to date, this slide includes a snapshot of this year's fiscal year's stats to date for current criminal justice diversion and deflection programs. For example, as you see here, we've in the area of residential treatment, we served 136 individuals to date with a projected two seventy five individuals to be treated by September 2026. In the area of transitional housing, through criminal justice, we've served over 100 individuals with a projected two fifteen individuals to receive assistance by the end of the fiscal year. So now we'll move into the area of public health and the public health department and their deflection and diversion programs. So again, programs that you see on this slide here, Court, you've seen on the side of criminal justice as well.

1:05:39 – 1:06:34Speaker 20

But one of the most visible programs we have in this community in the terms of deflection is our SMART program, a crisis intervention team specialized in de escalation that provides on scene behavioral health support during emergencies. Again, these programs are intended to be preventative and yeah, sorry about that. So now we'll move into some specific diversion programs in public health. The Bexar County Department of Public Health oversees the mental health and IDD assessment processes that occur in the GEA in partnership with UHS and ACOG, and I know we have our partners with here. Becomes became the mental health provider in the GEA in October 2025, and public health is implementing a pathway for diversions for those released directly from the GEA that includes multiple providers.

1:06:34 – 1:07:21Speaker 20

Those providers include GT San Antonio, True Mental Health, and others that will facilitate referrals to mental health appointments and other services, including transportation. Again, another snapshot of those strategies in the public health realm. Again, this court one thing I would like to highlight in some of these in the funding column, this court has invested a lot of opioid dollars to cover most, if not all, the substance use disorder programs within the strategies attached. So we've gone over deflection and diversion programs, both operated by Office of Criminal Justice, our partners, and the public health department. So what does that mean for our jail population and our team over there?

1:07:21 – 1:08:30Speaker 20

As you can see, the yellow line graph illustrates jail population averages with diversion programs since 2023, fiscal year 2023. The blue line represents that without that county and community investments and efforts, jail population would have reached over 6,100 individuals last year, putting even more strain on detention staff and costing this community with out of county beds. As I mentioned earlier and as part of the discussion, I would like to highlight certain programs and projects that this court has invested in based on two important criminal justice based assessments that we've conducted, the Meadows study and the UT Health Houston study conducted by doctor Tessa and his team. As you can see from the chart, there's been significant investments by this commissioner's court through the American Rescue Plan Act opioid funding to facilitate many of the resolutions through those recommendations. We've also had partnerships like the MOU with CHCS on gel based competency in regards to the Meadows study.

1:08:30 – 1:09:15Speaker 20

So kind of this particular chart is just to kind of highlight where we've completed some of those recommendations, areas that are still in progress and those funding sources. One key recommendation in the UT Health Houston study observation is the issue of dual magistration. Doctor. Testa's study recommended assembling a joint county city working group to end the dual magistration system to address inefficiencies and challenges posed by the by the current system. The working group shouldn't should work collaboratively to plan a transition to a unified system where all detainees are processed at a single centralized facility.

1:09:16 – 1:09:52Speaker 20

It'll be important that should the court direct us to to go down that path that we work with Dan Curry and his team to do any of our needs assessments for facilities. And again, commissioners and staff here, you know, we can't do this alone. There's a lot of collaborative efforts here. It's not all on the sheriff's office. It's not all on the staff back here or court or some of our other internal partners, but we have a lot of collaborative efforts that are currently ongoing or about to kick off.

1:09:52 – 1:10:54Speaker 20

The first is a CHCS COSA, City of San Antonio, I should say, University Health funded diversion feasibility study that has kicked off just recently, and our staff will be a part of that far as those interviews are concerned. Secondly, Commissioner Rodriguez and Councilwoman Castillo will be kicking off a Diversion and Recovery Committee to work. And commissioner, I'll kind of defer to you down the down the line to to discuss that a bit more. And another area that we wanted to highlight was our Southwest Texas Crisis Collaborative, which we commonly refer to as the STIC. Again, the STIC is a wide ranging collaboration that has existed over many years that consists hospital systems, our mental health providers, the city of San Antonio, Bexar County, and CHCS, with Strack serving as the convener, data partner and subject matter expert on resource coordination.

1:10:54 – 1:11:43Speaker 20

Eric Epley is also here and available for questions. So as we start to wind down, staff recognizes that we must do more, and we can do more. It will require strengthening our partnerships both internally and externally. Therefore, staff is committed, and we would recommend that we first start with reviewing our internal policies and procedures to make sure that we are optimizing all our efficiency opportunities. Again, one area that we've not addressed to a previous assessment is dual magistration, so we've identified that as a future strategy, and we would continue to identify grant funding, both local, state, and federal to help try to bridge the gap with some of these areas.

1:11:48 – 1:12:24Speaker 20

So in summary, I just want to recognize that Bexar County, we have invested in many process improvements that have already been identified in previous assessments. We've put money into capital programs, projects to expand bed capacity. One example is the American Rescue Plan Applewhite dual diagnosis center that that we ribbon cut back October, November of last year, and we've expanded bed and housing treatment capacity. But we also recognize that there's further challenges and opportunities to address. So the first, the big one here is dual magistration.

1:12:24 – 1:13:07Speaker 20

Again, I've already talked about optimizing our process to improve efficiencies. We want to look at other ways that we can provide support services to reduce recidivism. Again, one area I did not go over that this court has heard previously was the Sash Reuse study that Dan Curry presented back in November, December 2024. I know that is more of a long term strategy down the line that's going to require legislation and other collaborative efforts, but we've listed that on here. And one area, as we were going through this presentation and we're receiving updates from our partners, we've also been made aware of certain gaps.

1:13:07 – 1:13:41Speaker 20

I mentioned earlier the dual diagnosis center at Applewhite, that the facility has been completed. But in our discussions with Jarvis Anderson, who I believe is here as well, we've identified some gaps, in particular gaps in funding for substance use disorders on that side of the coin there. So we At the moment, you're correct. So 130, I believe that's 130 beds. If you double up, that's about 200.

1:13:43 – 1:14:21Speaker 20

Jarvis working with the Department of Public Health, I believe we're gonna try to formulate a strategy here, and I'll let Jarvis and and doctor a speak a little bit more to that. But we've identified possibly using opioid funding to bridge that gap. But again, that's over 100 individuals currently in the jail that once we get started, that's a short term solution that we can address immediately. So with that, I will turn over the presentation for questions, comments. And again, we have both staff, various partners, I see Ed Banos and his team here as well. So again, court, we'll turn it back over to you.

1:14:22 – 1:14:49Speaker 1

The court for direction. We have citizens to be heard. I'd like to call them up, and then we'll get back to any further discussion. And then I will open up the commissioners to direct questions or other speakers. Alright? So at this time, I'm bringing up those that signed up for citizen to be heard on this particular agenda item. Oh, judge Commissioner Rodriguez, point of personal privilege.

1:14:49 – 1:15:00Speaker 8

Yeah. Thank you, judge. I guess in sticking with the theme, if I can divert the conversation briefly. We've got some young students up here from Wilson Elementary in SAISD.

1:15:01 – 1:15:31Speaker 8

guys stand and be recognized? Give them a round of applause. They are here. Mahdi, thank you for arranging the tour and they're here learning about about local government and and civic engagement. These are all future leaders. We're very proud of what you do in representing your school and your community. So thank you for being here. I know Mari's taking great care of you Mari. Thank you for doing that. Again, continue on, study hard, and we look forward to you guys leading this city and county in the future. Thank you.

1:15:31Speaker 1

Thank you. Alright. Susan be heard. Lydia Leos, you're first. Lydia

1:15:51 – 1:16:35Speaker 6

Good morning, judge. Good morning, commissioners. Thank you for allowing us to be here. My name is Lydia Leos. I have voices behind the cell. It is from grief to justice, from silence to accountability. My name is Lydia Leos, and I stand here before you as the mother of Julie and Dana. My son entered the Bear County Jail alive. He should have come home alive. Instead, I was left with a pain that no parent should ever carry, with questions no family should ever have to fight to have answered. Julian was not a case number. He was not a statistic. He was my son. He was loved, valued, and his life mattered. I'm sorry.

1:16:35 – 1:17:13Speaker 6

What began as heartbreak became a purpose. What began as grief became a movement. Through voices behind the cell, I now stand for every family who has been ignored, dismissed, or left in the dark after losing a loved one in custody. Too many families in Texas still face the same failures, delayed notification during emergencies or hospitalizations, lack of clear answers when a loved one is in a crisis, mental health needs ignored or mishandled, Inadequate medical care. Preventable deaths followed by silence.

1:17:13 – 1:17:47Speaker 6

Families forced to search for truth on their own. That is why we demand real reform. What must change now? Immediate family notification during emergencies, hospitalizations, or death, independent investigation in all in custody deaths, mental health treatment and diversion before jail becomes the answer. Accountability for negligent medical care, public transparency on death and critical incidents.

1:17:47 – 1:18:12Speaker 6

Consequences for repeated failures, respect for every human life in custody, message to elected officials, to Sheriff Salazar, County Commissioner, judges, lawmakers, the power to correct the system is in your hands. Families should not have to become investigators to learn what happened to their loved ones. We need action. We need transparency. We need accountability.

1:18:12 – 1:18:56Speaker 6

We need correction in Bexar County Jail and across Texas. In loving memory of Julian Denna, Julian's name will not be forgotten. His life now fuels fight for truth and change because custody should never become a death sentence, because silence project silence protects negligence, because every family deserves answers. I should not have stayed at home not knowing my son was on life support for twelve hours because the jail was lazy. Two hours is enough time to be busy, put your paperwork together, but not twelve, not ten hours where we don't know that our loved ones have been transported out of the facility and are on life support.

1:18:56Speaker 6

By the time I got the next of kin call, all I was left to do was disconnect life support. Thank you so much, and have a good

1:19:16 – 1:19:57Speaker 24

morning, commissioners. I am Gillen Jamieson, the CEO for CHCS. I wanna thank you earlier for your support in the MOU with CHCS to continue the jail based competency program currently being operated at our jail. CHCS has been an innovator and been involved in jail diversion since 1994, And we stand before you enjoying the investment previous investment by University Health in the Meadows study and by Bear County in the UT study. And we've used those studies to communicate with our community over the past eight months about the importance of a jail diversion center, and promoting, therapeutic justice for this community.

1:19:58 – 1:20:22Speaker 24

But we can't do it alone. And so your strategy that you're discussing today of limiting access to the criminal justice system should work hand in hand with the expansion of therapeutic justice. Therapeutic justice focuses on the overall well-being. It's a collaborative approach. And it certainly involves problem solving courts to address the issues that we're seeing in our community.

1:20:23 – 1:21:14Speaker 24

While therapeutic justice reforms the experience within the system, we do believe limiting exposure also aims to keep people out of the system. So we need investment in both. Decriminalization, diversion programs, and community based programming will work hand in hand in reducing the overall negative collateral consequences that we are experiencing in our community with individuals who live with mental health and substance use issues and find themselves staying in jail. I hope you will continue to support your staff's involvement with CHCS in the in validating the feasibility and need of a diversion center and coming up with a plan to recommend to both Bexar County and the city of San Antonio. But we need all of Bexar County to support this effort.

1:21:14 – 1:22:00Speaker 24

We need your district attorney's office. We need your judicial departments, and we need your staff to come to the table with us as we develop this plan for this diversion center in this community. Our goal is that it will be a therapeutic alternative to jail for individuals with low level offenses and nonviolent offenses who cycle through the system because of untreated mental illness and IDD. This community needs a jail division diversion center to reduce our jail population, to improve our overall health outcomes and extend the life expectancy of our citizens in this community, and we need to lower the long term cost to our taxpayers. Excuse me.

1:22:01 – 1:22:14Speaker 24

So I come to you today seeking your support for this effort, continued work with your staff, but the continued support of all of Bexar County as we consider this jail diversion center in the future. I thank you for your support.

1:22:24Speaker 1

Goldie Van Sant.

1:22:37 – 1:23:03Speaker 25

Good morning, Commissioners and Judge. My name is Goldie Van Zandt. I am a US Navy veteran and a client advocate with Texas Jail Project. We are a statewide advocacy organization working on county jail conditions and pretrial detention. Our co founder and ED serves on the administrative rules advisory committee of the Texas Commission on Jail Standards and the Texas Judicial Commission on Mental Health.

1:23:03 – 1:23:41Speaker 25

We heard judge Siskaya's presentation at the jail commission meeting in February on the proposal for a mental health diversion center, and we read the 72 page report that he submitted to the commission. What's missing from that report was data on the worst outcomes of being held in your county jail, which is custody death. We ran a quick analysis based on data from the Texas Commission on Jail Standards for the past decade. You can see in the handout, a hundred and twenty four people reportedly died in custody between 02/2025. Most of them were pretrial.

1:23:41 – 1:24:30Speaker 25

In the past five years, the number of deaths in Bexar County have almost matched Harris County despite despite the jail population being roughly half of Harris County. The majority of these deaths seem to be driven by suicides. What's missing from our analysis of deaths is the connection with the mental health CCQ data and the forensic wait list, data that only the county has access to. We recommend that before this court invests a lot of resources into a diversion center, you may consider doing a deep dive into your jail psychiatric population. Except for Harris County, diversion centers in all counties are being underutilized because all diversion is voluntary and only for low level nonviolent charges.

1:24:30 – 1:25:23Speaker 25

Plus new legislation such as senate bill six from 2021 and senate bill nine from 2025 prevent diversion on a wide ranges of charges. In our experience, there's a revolving door between the public mental health and the county jail system due to the lack of continuity of care protocols upon release from jail. And your local mental health authorities pattern of practice of placing people in appropriate levels of care. But instead of studying the effectiveness of programs, counties keep expanding their jails, which doesn't help solve the underlying problem. The state has advocated its responsibility to create a meaningful continuum of community based mental health care and push this crisis into the counties, where you are now paying for a public health issue with your limited public safety dollars.

1:25:26 – 1:25:50Speaker 25

The IDD population is a good example of this issue. The state supported living centers or SLC's are entitlement for people with IDD. But instead of placing them on an inpatient care wait list, your AACOG provides inappropriate placement such as group homes, leading to arrest and more criminalizations. How do we know this? HHSC's own data.

1:25:50 – 1:26:25Speaker 25

The largest number of transfers to SLCS or people with IDD happens from county jails. So, of accessing an SLLC through the civil side, this population is forced into jail first before they can access SLOC through the forensic pathway. Yes, we don't have enough SLOC beds, but HHSC has made no recommendation to the legislation for expanding those beds. They seem more than comfortable pushing people into jails and prisons. Our organization helped pass two riders last session.

1:26:25 – 1:26:49Speaker 25

One mandated the jail commission to collect and publish CCQ data and ordering for HHSC to create a community based upon based option for the high needs population that cycles between the jail and streets. We hope this court will take advantage of these riders to make robust data informed decisions. Thank you for your time.

1:27:05 – 1:27:35Speaker 26

Judge, commissioners, and the rest of the people here, ma'am, I'm very sorry to hear about your loss. I wanna compliment the court here today. Several things I've already seen is that you have your second chance program was here. Your court therapy animals, which is a huge help that a lot more than people realize, especially for juveniles. Your diversion speakers, at some point, we'd love to talk to them.

1:27:35 – 1:27:57Speaker 26

That was an excellent presentation and a very good start for what you're looking to do. And also ma'am who just spoke about therapeutic justice, that's also what I'm here to talk to you about today, addressing those issues. My name is Jeff Bradley. I'm with HOK Architecture. I'm their national director, and I live here in Texas.

1:27:58 – 1:28:24Speaker 26

And the first diversion type program that addressed mental health I was involved in was Dallas County about 14 ago. We did 200 mental health beds, a 100 medical beds, and it's been a very successful program for them. Since then, our our firm is actually a leader in civic and justice design work, but we're not just architects. We're consultants. We have the health care people inside.

1:28:24 – 1:28:47Speaker 26

We have mental health people. We also work with other firms such as Meadows. Actually, UHS study, we did that. We worked for Meadows, and we were here involved in that with Alta Architecture, a local firm here on your UHS program. It was about two years ago, and that was for a new medical facility, a clinic, and an infirmary.

1:28:47 – 1:29:28Speaker 26

A few other things I'd like to share with you and talk about is what's important is that the people you talk to are also experts in the operational of the actual justice system, both the system overall and then also within the jail itself. And that's where the sheriff and and is those folks really need to be involved as well. Your mental health people, the sheriff people, the the leadership and such, in order to deliver successful program. Over over the past excuse me. Over the last eight or ten years or or so, we've done 11 mental health diversion facilities for counties around the country.

1:29:29 – 1:30:09Speaker 26

A little over 1,900 specialty beds for that. For states, we've done 12 specialty mental health facilities in state prisons totaling over 6,000 beds. So we've done almost 8,000 beds for special mental health needs. Somebody mentioned earlier today that about the number of people who have mental health issues, and over sixty percent of the people who are incarcerated around the country do have mental health issues, and the majority of them are on some sort of psychotropic drugs. It's it's it's important that you have people that you have access to. All the people from our firm that would be ever do any work for you, we actually we have

1:30:09Speaker 3

a Judge, commissioners, the time has expired.

1:30:11 – 1:30:33Speaker 26

I'm sorry? That's three minutes? Okay. Yeah. I've got some things to pass out here to you to the additional projects. Got for the commissioner's court, for Dan Curry, the county auditor, and some letters from other county judges around the state for you to read and take a look at. So thank you for your time.

1:30:33 – 1:30:50Speaker 1

Alright. Was there anybody else signed up? That's all I had for item number five. Let me then yield to commissioner Moody. Oh, who can can you state your name? Never Never mind. Nope. Okay. Commissioner Moody, let me yield to you and then

1:30:50Speaker 4

Oh, there's one more.

1:30:51 – 1:31:08Speaker 1

Oh, there's one more. Judge Oscar Kaczyn, are you here on agenda item number five? Number five? Yes. Yes. You have your three minutes.

1:31:15 – 1:31:48Speaker 27

I know this is only the citizens to be heard part, but I just wish to echo for everyone that especially the twenty five plus years that I've been doing mental health. It is such a much it is a much bigger process. And I admire what the commissioner's court in this county is doing by way of the jail and jail diversion and preventing the deaths and preventing injuries at the jail, etcetera. But I just wanted to pause in all of the discussion, just to surround the community at large. I know you're aware of it.

1:31:48 – 1:32:23Speaker 27

That that pipeline that we speak to today is so much bigger. For example, most people are unaware that we conduct and do over 10,000 emergency detentions. That's where somebody is dangerous to self or others, a police officer has shown up. In days past, they would have gone to the jail. Can you imagine right now if those emergency detentions, if the teams that were devoted to transferring them to hospitals weren't available.

1:32:23 – 1:32:58Speaker 27

Can you imagine what the discussion would be today if you had to deal with another 10,000 arrests? Because if there's no place to go, the Bexar County jail is the biggest mental health facility in the county. I urge the community at large and this commission and the commissioner's court, after they get past this very important task of jail and jail diversion, to continue the discussion on the rest of that pipeline. Those are the court programs and court agendas that keep people out of jail. Those are the services that we provide in the handoff afterwards.

1:32:58 – 1:33:35Speaker 27

Those are the things that truly impact in the end our jail population. And lastly, I urge this commission to look at how we can build a bigger system of providers in this community, a bigger system of help and utilization so that we have many voices that we can rely on when we need their help. With that, I said, I just wanted it to be a quick reminder to the public at large, should they be watching, that this pipeline is so much bigger. Although this is as terribly important as anything else, the rest of that pipeline shouldn't be forgotten. Your

1:33:36 – 1:34:15Speaker 1

long standing commitment to the probate courts as a probate judge and obviously for the mental health system. And I'll I'll just kind of tie the connect the dots, so to speak. Your program truly is part of deflection. That's what you just said. Without your system, we would probably have 10,000 people more in our criminal well, and it's perhaps that's an over exaggeration, but there'd be many, many more people. So it is a very complicated, complex system. It is a need of funding and initiative and the ability of this community to come together with all the different parts of our justice system. So thank you, judge Casey,

1:34:15Speaker 23

for bringing that up to

1:34:16Speaker 27

Tomas as well. He's been very good to in talking to us about this.

1:34:19Speaker 1

Thank you. Alright.

1:34:21Speaker 1

Having heard that, let me yield to commissioner Moody and open up. And commissioner Moody, if we need the team to come back up, do you want the team to come back up?

1:34:31Speaker 11

Please. But there's gonna be a lot of players.

1:34:34Speaker 1

So Thomas and team come back.

1:34:38Speaker 28

Yeah. Some presentations.

1:34:49 – 1:35:10Speaker 11

So first of all, appreciate the presentation. Sure. I'm glad we're here. I think this discussion was overdue, but at least we're here. I just want to reiterate, to me, you know, there may be some things we we disagree on here, but this is not a political issue.

1:35:11 – 1:35:41Speaker 11

Starts as a public safety issue, and then it becomes a management issue and a leadership issue. And that's why I think we have to we have to come to the table here. We have to have serious conversations about all the the current problems our criminal justice system is facing, and then how we address them as a county, and with our partners, many of which are here in the room. So thank you to all the partners. I'm definitely looking forward to to getting your thoughts here as well.

1:35:43 – 1:36:17Speaker 11

First of all, I apologize upfront. Covered a lot of information, and there's other things I still wanna cover. So I'll try to get through everything here and hopefully get some engagement and conversation going on where we go from here. Where we stand today. So, Thomas, you mentioned our current capacity at the jail, which puts us probably in, what, 93%, 94%, something like that.

1:36:18 – 1:36:51Speaker 11

You know, Brandon Wood later can can talk to us about recommendations from the state about 90% capacity, going beyond 90% can become a strain. How much of our county budget is currently spent at the jail? And I don't need an exact figure here. I'm not trying to put anybody on the spot. But in terms of all the detention officers that we have, which is close to a thousand.

1:36:54Speaker 11

have a ballpark figure?

1:36:56Speaker 20

At the jail? I think that might include patrol. 87,000,000.

1:37:04 – 1:37:44Speaker 11

I was gonna say a 100,000,000, so I was pretty close. While throwing overtime costs, what were our overtime costs last year, Tina? 20. So down here over a 100,000,000. $107,000,000 just at the county jail. A huge portion of the county budget, and that doesn't include the rest of the criminal justice system. This is the the centerpiece of of the county's budget and and our work. How much did we spend last year housing inmates out at a cost? About 4,000,000. And and is that what we budgeted this year?

1:37:44Speaker 20

4 point yeah. 4.5, I think.

1:37:47Speaker 11

But based on the change in cost at Kerr County, we increased that $2,000,000. Correct?

1:37:54 – 1:38:49Speaker 11

we use those beds as as expected. So you got another 4 to 8,000,000 there depending on how many beds you plan to use at surrounding counties. Going to your presentation, I know you had some numbers here, but the total total amount of investments in criminal justice strategies, whether that's an annual number or over the past few years. If I'm just looking at what's on this presentation, it looks like a couple million dollars.

1:38:50Speaker 20

I'm sorry, commissioner. Can you repeat that question? Which slide are you looking at?

1:38:54Speaker 11

Just just the funding for current criminal justice strategies. Those are the ones that you have highlighted here on slide eight.

1:39:08 – 1:39:20Speaker 20

Yes, that sounds about right, Commissioner. Again, is for this current fiscal year, so it doesn't incorporate investments that we've had through ARPA that are multi year, etcetera. So this is fiscal year only.

1:39:20Speaker 11

Okay. And then

1:39:21Speaker 2

I'm sorry. I missed the number, commissioner. What was that? 8,000,000 did you say, commissioner?

1:39:26Speaker 11

Well, I said two based on the numbers I'm seeing on slide eight.

1:39:31 – 1:39:55Speaker 20

And again, it does not include Commissioner Calvert. As you know, we've we've added a lot of residential permanent supportive housing through ARPA. It doesn't include any of those numbers. What you've invested in for rehabbing, you know, the Commons Of The Sacred Trails, etcetera. Some of those community based programs that you could also incorporate into this dollar amount. So this is just a snapshot.

1:39:55Speaker 11

Okay. And then going to the public health strategies, there's even a lot more than that. It looks like 45 to $50,000,000?

1:40:06Speaker 20

That is correct.

1:40:07 – 1:40:26Speaker 11

Okay. And I'll come back to that too here in a second. But I think my my point up front is we're spending hundreds of millions of dollars in the criminal justice system. Right? So that absolutely demands the level of attention and focus and conversation that we're trying to have here today.

1:40:27 – 1:41:05Speaker 11

Spending some time actually diving into this, not to mention the deaths that we heard about earlier and some of the other concerns that that are out there in the jail. So let me circle back to to a couple other comments just to make. So I know the the jail population has bounced around significantly. Right? And we're actually down several 100 from where we were kinda at a peak.

1:41:07 – 1:42:00Speaker 11

However, if you look at the the expected growth rates for Bexar County over the next fifteen years, we're projected to grow 29%. Over the next thirty five years, that's 54%. If you just held incarceration rates constant, that would lead to an additional 1,500 inmates in fifteen years, or 2,500 inmates in thirty five years. Again, incarceration rates constant. So I think that begs the question, first of all, are we planning for that level of growth, or are there some assumptions underlying here that, incarceration rates are gonna dramatically decrease, or the throughput of our court system is going to go from sixty days to thirty days, or are there some other assumptions that I'm totally missing?

1:42:01 – 1:42:45Speaker 11

Because if if we look at the the numbers we have today and the the current trajectory of growth, then it begs the question, like, are your assumptions if you don't think we need additional capacity? I think it's a fair question for everybody in the room. So I'm and again, I I didn't wanna dive into, you know, this just being a capacity conversation because there's there's multiple pieces here, And I am not opposed to exploring diversion. I've said several times that I think diversion efforts are necessary, but not sufficient to solve the overall problem. And so there's there's some short term solutions.

1:42:45 – 1:43:24Speaker 11

There's diversion efforts. There's things we maybe can clean up in our our court system. But ultimately, there's some mid long term solutions that are gonna require some serious investments by Bexar County. And I think, you know, we can't look past that because we know that these big projects can take years and not two or three years, five, six, seven years by the time we we actually see them realized. I'm gonna come back to to some of the presentations that I I that have and and highlighted here.

1:43:24 – 1:43:51Speaker 11

But one other thing I wanted to mention. I see this there's there's three separate discussion items, I think, today. To me, there's there's this demand part of the problem that is mainly wraps around deflection and diversion. Right? How how are we not creating how are we reducing the demand for facilities and bed space?

1:43:53 – 1:44:10Speaker 11

And we can talk about that. And then there's supply side, and this really has to do with facilities. This has to do with Dan Curry. This has to deal with the sheriff. This has to do with us talking about additional mental health beds, forensic beds, civil beds, potentially jail beds, medical beds, all the above.

1:44:11 – 1:45:00Speaker 11

And then there's a third part of this, and and to be honest, this has come more to me in the last couple days. But there is there are issues around coordination and partnership in this space that we have to address. And, you know, we can't dive really deep into each one of those here today, but we got a lot of cooks in the kitchen, but we have to remember we're on the same team and know that we're trying to move the county forward. And you know, based on some of the things I've heard and some of the the the fights, the the ongoing fights that we have between different organizations and different partners, we need to work through this, alright, for the good of the county. We can't see contracts lapse.

1:45:00 – 1:45:36Speaker 11

We can't see people not get paid. We we can't allow some of the capacity we do have to disappear. Right? We're talking about additional capacity we need, and I know Eric Epley can speak to the fact that we're losing capacity today. So some serious questions are gonna have to be be answered on that front. Let me just go back to to your presentation, and and there's a few things here. Let's just go back to the the public health strategies and the criminal justice strategies you mentioned. You said we've been doing diversion for a long time. Correct?

1:45:39 – 1:45:56Speaker 11

I know a previous version of one of these slides actually had total cases versus eligible versus accepted for diversion. What percent of total inmates today are eligible for diversion?

1:45:56Speaker 20

So total percent

1:46:05Speaker 4

and Should we not have someone from the sheriff's office to answer

1:46:15Speaker 22

do know I do know

1:46:20 – 1:46:56Speaker 20

and looking over the last couple of fiscal years, the individuals who go through the doors at a d at the adult detention center ranges between 37 to 38,000 individuals, unique individuals that go through those doors. About fifty percent of those individuals are released within three days, three to four days. Under the current charges that we went over that are allowed by the DA's office that are eligible, We were identifying through a fiscal year more or less around a thousand individuals that we deemed eligible. Kind of a round number.

1:46:56Speaker 8

Perfect. Perfect.

1:46:57 – 1:47:10Speaker 20

Of that thousand, I believe we were actually diverting maybe anywhere between 500 to 600 individuals of that number. So again, those are over the last few fiscal years, so just kind of high Again, level

1:47:11Speaker 11

I just want to get at the ballpark

1:47:13Speaker 20

that percentage was 26% according to staff this fiscal year. Correct, Jennifer?

1:47:19Speaker 11

You said 26% were eligible?

1:47:22Speaker 20

Yes. For PR. For PR bonds only.

1:47:25 – 1:47:38Speaker 11

So I'm well, now I'm gonna have to try to reconcile the 26% with the 1,000 versus 40,000 because I thought it was much smaller percentage based on those numbers that you first provided.

1:47:39Speaker 20

Yes. Think the percentage I gave you was for one set of eligible. So I would go off the whole numbers that I just presented.

1:47:46 – 1:48:07Speaker 11

Okay. Well, whether it's a few percentage points or whether it's 20%, it's still a smaller percentage of of the total, right Correct. Who are eligible. If 26% of those were eligible, then you would have a lot more. I mean, you're talking about thousands of people potentially.

1:48:07 – 1:48:48Speaker 11

So I'm not sure, you know, again, we need clarity on that, exactly who's eligible. I think one of the other questions I had was just in terms of the funding that is being spent there today for both public health and criminal justice strategies. We're highlighting this and we're throwing out, you know, numbers. We don't really know, like, what additional need, additional capacity available, and how productive like what are the performance indicators here? We're showing numbers that have gone through this program.

1:48:48 – 1:49:27Speaker 11

We're spending money on these, but I don't really see the performance indicators or knowing the capacity. Hey, we actually have another 100 residential treatment beds, and there is a demand and there are eligible individuals. What's the sticking point? Or is it transitional housing? Well, we're at 100, we're capped out. We have no capacity. So there's no understanding of what the limits are on some of these categories or what the additional costs would be. And so I think it's hard for us to determine. We had a conversation with Advanos and Jimmy Haslocker and his team. I know they showed the triangle of care.

1:49:27 – 1:50:13Speaker 11

Right? And at the bottom, we have a lot of these public health strategies and investments. But how do we think about the performance of them, where there's additional need, how how are the gearing ratios between all these categories? And the the other question I'll just mention before before you jump in is, of all these dollars that are listed here, how many what's the breakdown between Bexar County dollars, ARPA dollars, opioid dollars? Because I think there's we need to understand whether those existing investments are going to be able to continue or whether they're going to have to now come out of the general fund to continue if they were ARPA funded or opioid funded.

1:50:13Speaker 11

And so if you could speak to that as well. Thank

1:50:16 – 1:50:34Speaker 5

you, commissioners, judge. I'm Doctor. Andrea Guerrero. I'm the director of public health for Bexar County. And I can speak specifically to the public health strategies, but I will reiterate that the reason we're doing this presentation and presenting public health alongside the Office of Criminal Justice is to demonstrate how we dovetail these strategies.

1:50:34 – 1:51:05Speaker 5

Public health is focused on primary prevention to help folks limit their exposure to the criminal justice system before they become before they have an encounter with law enforcement. So really preventative and upstream. As whereas office of criminal justice, all of the programs that they are operating are once someone has already been arrested, maybe again. And the diversion or deflection program is a condition of their release. It's a condition of their bond.

1:51:05 – 1:51:33Speaker 5

So just making that distinction. So to address your question, commissioner, the investments that you see here for this funding year, they're they're a mix. So the inpatient psychiatric beds, that is a contract that we have with Strack for 8 almost $8,000,000, and that was completely ARPA funded. And I'll and I'll say that it was kind of underspent until until we expanded the scope to include pediatric beds, and then we were able to really increase those bed days and get that number up so that we're spending all that money. So that's ARPA.

1:51:33 – 1:52:11Speaker 5

For the smart team, mobile multidisciplinary team, is a mix of general fund. The expansion to twenty four seven was made possible through ARPA funds. For residential treatment, almost entirely all of that is opioid funding. Opioid settlement funding took places like Lifetime, Alpha Home, Pay It Forward, Crosspoint, either for some construction, but mostly residential treatment. The other ARPA funds that support residential treatment would be RISE Recovery, which is a school based high school that focuses on recovery for high school students. And then the outpatient lower acuity that is almost entirely ARPA that was made possible over the last couple years.

1:52:13 – 1:52:24Speaker 11

Okay. If you could just sum up then on on that page with what did we say was $45,000,000? How much of that is Bexar County versus ARPA versus opioid?

1:52:25 – 1:52:37Speaker 5

For all of these, the entire thing, it's almost entirely ARPA and opioid with the exception of part of the smart budget. Probably about half of that? About half of that would be general fund.

1:52:37Speaker 11

So what is the plan for replacing those funds, or is there a plan or an option?

1:52:44 – 1:53:18Speaker 5

Well, I'll address your other question about outcomes and how are we measuring success or not of a lot of these things. And so we have an entire team, and our focus is on not just formative evaluation, summative evaluation, but looking at what is the impact of these programs, whether however they were funded, whether they were general fund, smart fund or general fund, ARPA, or opioid. And some of the things, especially with residential treatment, because those are the ones that have a really high risk of becoming rearrested. But we're looking at recidivism rates as is OCJ. We are looking at the number of days to rearrest.

1:53:18 – 1:53:58Speaker 5

We're looking whether or not that number number of days to re arrest correlates with the number of days they spent in inpatient to and and that type of evaluation will give us better insight into the things that are more or less a good investment, the ones that come up with the highest amount of cost avoidance. Because, of course, with public health, it's it's sometimes hard to measure what didn't happen because it was prevention. But we can tell, like, example, with the days if we're correlating days length of stay to the days to re arrest, for example, I'll just call out lifetime. They have over one hundred and fifty days till re arrest. And the people that are in there in recovery voluntarily, it's not a condition of their bond for the for the contract under public health.

1:53:58 – 1:54:22Speaker 5

So we're tracking all of these measures for all of the programs. And similarly, with mental health programs as well, the mental health the $20,000,000 ARPAT investment into school based and the ISDs to provide mental health services there. It's not included in this presentation because it's it's really upstream to judge Kaysen's point about the pipeline, but preventative away upstream.

1:54:22 – 1:54:39Speaker 11

So I'm glad that you're you're maintaining performance indicators within programs. I think the challenge is across programs. Right? And how do we compare different programs that maybe have different measurements and performance indicators? So, that will be something like we kinda have to work on.

1:54:39 – 1:54:51Speaker 5

We've become very prescriptive in how we create our contracts, how we provide standards and standardizing those metrics across programs so that we're collecting data going forward. So we're comparing apples to apples.

1:54:52 – 1:55:10Speaker 11

Okay. Yes. But but just again to clarify, because this is, you know, I I did not have the answer coming in here. But all that funding on slide 11 is ARPA funded. And that those are programmatic dollars. Those weren't just capital dollars for expansion on facility. Correct? Correct.

1:55:13Speaker 11

And so just to be clear, Thomas, we don't have a plan right now on how we're going to backfill any of those programs or which programs will be back filled?

1:55:21Speaker 20

That is correct. That's current currently under evaluation.

1:55:25Speaker 20

And I did wanna bring up Antonio to discuss the same thing on our criminal justice strategies in those numbers.

1:55:31 – 1:55:44Speaker 11

And and and add this into another difficult conversation that's upcoming about our long term financial forecast, and it's double concerning, to me. Go ahead.

1:55:44 – 1:56:23Speaker 21

Thank you, commissioner. I think a lot of the points that you made are definitely in part with what Doctor. Guerrero just mentioned and really the county manager's office. We're looking at all our contracts and realigning them to ensure accountability, right, and ensuring that the dollars are going to a point where we can measure the success and the metrics right. So for OCJ, we're looking at recidivism as our main factor. Right? To your point, for example, one hundred and thirty six individuals went to residential treatment. We're aligning all our contracts to ensure that we can report to the court out of the 136, this is the recidivism rate for those individuals. More importantly, not only just for residential treatment, but really for all of the services that we're providing. Right?

1:56:23 – 1:56:43Speaker 21

So that way we can come back and say individuals that are benefiting from residential treatment facilities or any of the other programs that we have, transitional housing, they're not coming back to the jail. Right? Because ultimately that, at the end of the day, we can then quantify and put some of the the cost that is going to that. Right? But again, we're aligning all our contracts.

1:56:43 – 1:57:18Speaker 21

The county manager's office has brought really the departments. To your point, collaboration is one of the key things that we've identified. My previous role as overseeing the jail population, right, is one of the things that working hand in hand with the sheriff's office, with all the departments, right, to make sure that we're, to your point, in the same team and going in the same direction. Right? And that we can cross collaborate, not only internally, but also with our our providers out in the community. Right? Because I think there's a lot of gaps and missed opportunities that we have to be able to maximize some of the county funding and some of the stuff that we have.

1:57:18Speaker 11

Okay. No, I appreciate it. But, yeah, let me just finish my thought here.

1:57:24 – 1:57:45Speaker 20

And one thing, Commissioner, just to add, just before I forget, when you look at the funding streams, a lot of that is general fund here across the board here. Which part? Majority of these services and strategies on the OCJ side is general funded. We do have a couple of grants in here, but for the most part that is general Which

1:57:46Speaker 11

slide are you talking about?

1:57:48 – 1:58:13Speaker 11

Okay. That's the that's the small one. It's it's the other big one that's the challenge. So you have 45,000,000, not a clear funding mechanism today. We know we're going to talk about our long range financial forecast. And we know that there's there's an increasing need. I'll go ahead and yield to colleagues. First

1:58:15 – 1:58:47Speaker 4

of all, thank you for being here. I just wanna recognize some of the some of the good work we are doing. So I want to recognize Doctor. Norma Greenfield Labordi. I know she was unable to be here today, but of course her deputy is here, her staff is here. Also CHCS and the work that they have been partnering with us. I recently met with my appointee regarding some of these some of these issues, and of course, UHS. The Southside Hospital is, of course, being built, but the preventative health I'm using preventative health. We're talking about deflection. We're talking about diversion.

1:58:47 – 1:59:27Speaker 4

But as doctor Andrea was talking about, I use the word preventative a lot. So the Preventative Health Building is open for business, y'all. And the 3rd Floor, because Ed and I, we had a lot of conversations, And I'm not gonna say fight because we don't fight, but advocated very well. And because of that advocacy, the 3rd Floor is solely dedicated to mental health and behavioral health because this is about preventative. So way before I was commissioner, I was talking about in the state of Texas, our jails are the number one providers of mental health services, and that is a shame.

1:59:28 – 2:00:08Speaker 4

To the parent who spoke earlier, who's still here who's still here in the back, I wrote down something she said, horrible to say, but it was a quote that she said, custody shouldn't be a death sentence. And so in order to avoid that, we need to make sure we are about preventative health. So the 20,000,000 school based, county wide mental health program is a community deflection program that I have been talking about way before I became commissioner, was able to implement. And I've been clear with school districts. This is seed funding because these are opera dollars.

2:00:08 – 2:00:58Speaker 4

So use the best practices, use the success stories to then go and be able to get more money. So we need to make sure, our lobbyists, if you're listening, we passed y'all's contracts last month, and I pulled it, but voted for it. So to our lobbyists, to Melissa Shannon, we need to make sure that at the state level that we continue to advocate for these school mental health programs so that we won't have these situations. And again, since before I got here, was talking about we need more mental health beds because people should not be rotting in jail. And so, I wanna ask Jarvis, if you would come up, So it's a little confusing with Jarvis, so we pushed a lot of funding.

2:00:58 – 2:01:30Speaker 4

I believe it was $2,530,000,000 dollars for Applewhite, which is in my precinct, and it is a beautiful facility. It is open. So the the facility is the county's facility, but Jarvis is an interesting role because I guess part of your funding in your employees, although our county employees, but get funded through the state, something like that. It's very confusing. So can you tell us why the beautiful facility and the beds, why they're not filled yet?

2:01:30Speaker 22

Yes. Good morning.

2:01:31Speaker 4

And what we can do about to make Good that

2:01:34Speaker 22

morning, county judge, commissioner Jarvis Anderson, director of Bexar County Community Division.

2:01:38Speaker 4

Jarvis, you're tall, so you're gonna need to speak into the mic a little bit. Or that. Thank you.

2:01:43 – 2:02:17Speaker 22

So so the beds, beautiful campus. And I and I thank the county for their investment. And it was our per dollar, so I appreciate that. We we received the certificate of advocacy in February. We started moving people over from the 0300 Building to the new wing in March. The the the issue that we discovered, commissioner and and just so for the record, all the employees are kind of judicial employees, get funded by the state. They work for me. So we we're not county employees. We received some county benefits.

2:02:18 – 2:02:52Speaker 22

The issue that we discovered from all of this is psych meds. Right? That's the main holdup for us. Right? I'm working on a long term plan where the state will actually fund that. But in the interim, the only way psych meds get funded in the DDRF, if they go through the COMI, which partner with the Center for Healthcare Services. That's my main issue there. Right? I can I can bring in counselors? I can I can absorb the food and security, but that's the one issue I have?

2:02:53 – 2:03:33Speaker 22

I'm working with with Bear County Mental Health Department to see if we can do something in the interim while I work on a long term solution where the state will fund this. Right? The engagement center, the DDRF facility, we have a code for the state can fund us in the future. Right? So that's my main issue right now, commissioner, is getting the psych meds resolved. Right? And I have a meeting this Friday with you at Jess to see if there's something we can do in the interim. So the beds itself, there's a 130 beds. So I will never double anyone in that space because I don't want to put people with mental illness kind of in sardine cans with their

2:03:33Speaker 11

own top of one rather.

2:03:34 – 2:04:15Speaker 22

I welcome all the commissioners to come out and look at this space because it's truly remarkable what's happening out there. The facility is a co occurring facility. So you can't come out there just for mental illness. It has to be a substance use disorder as well. We've been out there in operations since 1987. That particular facility came out in 2005. We partnered with the center to do that. Right? They do the clinical aspect of it. We do the substance use disorder aspect of it. Security, treatment, food, everything else. So if I can solve the medication, then I can get someone I can get those individuals out to jail, about a 100 of them, at Applewhite within the next three to four months.

2:04:17 – 2:04:41Speaker 4

And and I do wanna say the work that you guys are doing at Applewhite is really excellent, having been there, having spoken to to some of the people who are getting treatment there and being served there, but we need to make sure that the rest of the beds are filled. So if there's anything that commissioners court can do or my office specifically, please reach out to me, and you're my constituent too, as you know. So please reach out to us. Doctor. Andrew, did you have some a comment?

2:04:42 – 2:05:28Speaker 5

And to your point, Commissioner Moody, just about collaboration. Right? Jarvis and I, in going over this presentation, making sure that we're telling the right story when we talk about Applewhite and listening to why aren't we filling these beds. The solution that we've come up with in the short term is that Jarvis has said that he has about 105 people that are currently in the jail, that if we can solve the medication problem over the next three months, it will cost us about $60,000, And we can do that through the opioid settlement fund, and then work with and bring have a new conversation. We're already talking to to their jail based detention folks about coming with a longer term solution instead of purchasing, not just psych meds, also like blood pressure medication meds.

2:05:28 – 2:05:53Speaker 5

Because they leave the jail with seven days, but they need a longer term solution to make sure that they have medication sufficient for their stay at Applewhite. So we'll bring back to this court as soon as possible, hopefully at the next meeting, a request for, at least $60,000 We'll come up with a more specific budget to purchase those medications with the intent to work with on a long term solution so we can get their pricing instead of purchasing them outright at full cost.

2:05:56Speaker 4

And and we know that diversion centers alone aren't gonna, solve the jail population issues. I don't know if someone wants to speak to that.

2:06:05 – 2:06:42Speaker 20

Thank you, Jarvis. You're correct, commissioner. I mean, the diversion center alone isn't gonna reduce jail population. You know, isn't gonna empty out the jail, but it is one part of a holistic plan that we we do need to dive down because we know the benefits that it can achieve. And that's, first and foremost, the individual themselves becoming stabilized and and and getting the treatment they deserve in a facility that isn't, you know, the gel. So so that is one aspect that we do wanna go down that pathway. Yes. And,

2:06:43 – 2:07:17Speaker 4

you know, I recognize some of our outside partners earlier, but of course, it takes the whole county. Believe, Jen I don't know if Jenlyn's still here, but she had mentioned this. So it also oh, there's is that her? Yes. She's talking. Okay. It's also about all of our departments working together, including our district attorney's office, our sheriff's department. It takes all of us. So do you want to speak a little bit? I know Commissioner Rodriguez can speak more to this about how Harris County DA handles handles their deflection programs, and then I don't know if Commissioner Rodriguez wants to chime in from his visit.

2:07:17 – 2:08:05Speaker 20

Yes, Commissioner. Having the opportunity to visit Harris County along with the team here and the Commissioner, one area that the DA's office is heavily involved with in the area of deflection is having a dedicated intake team with experienced prosecutors fielding phone calls from law enforcement actually still in the field. So, in that concept, you have a law enforcement officer in the field detaining someone, calling that in to the DA, providing that information, what they have that individual detained for. And at that moment, in real time, the DA's intake team can let that law enforcement officer know you don't have enough information or enough evidence to bring that individual in. We wouldn't charge.

2:08:05 – 2:08:43Speaker 20

We would dismiss those charges, so don't bring that individual in. Or, hey, you have some, but you need a little bit more, call back, do your investigation, or bring them in, but we'll go ahead and charge. So before that law enforcement officer from, you know, including suburban cities over there brings that individual all the way downtown, that's time, effort, Right then and there, the the DA's office is saying yes or no. So that is one concept that we've we've kind of they've been doing it for a while, it it appears. So law enforcement officers there, that's I guess that's what they're trained to do.

2:08:43 – 2:09:23Speaker 20

It's been around for some time. But that is one area that we kind of saw as an opportunity. We actually were able to see a call in real time where the DA themselves said, you don't have enough. Don't don't ring this individual in. And I I think that credibility of those intake, prosecutors with experience in the courtroom, I think, provides some some, confidence that this is truly a public safety call. They understand kind of what those dynamics are that that prosecutor would have to deal with in the courtroom. So that is one area. Commissioner, I don't know. Staff, I don't know. If I

2:09:23Speaker 4

can just want to comment on based on what you're you can come up. Is it Antonio?

2:09:27 – 2:09:50Speaker 4

Yeah. So we're talking about, obviously, the budget coming up and not the great projection of things are looking nationally and worldwide. So we can talk about lack of funding, but based on what you just said, there's some things that can be more efficient that we already have that we just need to put in place better. Correct? Alright. Thank you.

2:09:50 – 2:10:30Speaker 21

Correct. Commissioner, I I just wanted to add, I know, to Tom's point. Right? That's one of the things we saw can obviously help on both ends. Right? Because I think on previous visits to Harris County, I got to see an individual essentially being rejected from the field from bringing them into custody. But I also got to see another situation where an individual it was a life call, and they were actually getting more information and building a stronger case from the scene. Right? So for a public safety aspect, they were even able to build a stronger case as they're bringing somebody into custody. In addition to that, would say one of the other things that I'm always looking at efficiency, especially within the judicial system, is their ability to be able to electronically file cases.

2:10:30 – 2:11:06Speaker 21

Right? So they're able to electronically file cases in sense, to give you a sense of time frames, misdemeanor cases within twenty four hours same day you're filing a case. Right? When we're talking about efficiencies, we're talking about how long has it taken Bexar County right now without electronic filing to file cases. Which in misdemeanor cases, many times leads to individuals being in custody fifteen days plus, right, just to try to get a case filed. So those are some of the things that, to your point, Commissioner Clifford is right, is we're talking about efficiencies right into the system. Thank you. Thank

2:11:08 – 2:11:22Speaker 8

you, judge. Yeah. Let me let me start with that discussion on the diversion center because I was with Thomas and and my team, I guess back in March visiting Harris County. And I know Doctor. Testa was there as well.

2:11:23 – 2:12:03Speaker 8

Thank you for doing that doc. So you know a lot of the discussion focuses at least publicly on kind of a bricks and mortar diversion center. As has been pointed out, I think there's been strategies in place for some time where we've been trying to divert, deflect folks from the system. And so I think part of the discussion, and this is great that we're having this discussion, we're not gonna solve it all in ninety minutes today. So hopefully judge we can have an ongoing dialogue as it leads into our budget, into the city's budget, into University Health's budget this year.

2:12:04 – 2:12:48Speaker 8

But the the synergies in Harris County, as you mentioned Thomas, were what I noticed more related to processes for for proper diversion and deflection, right? It was different elected officials, the different department heads. Harris Health was a significant part of their diversion center there. So I think those are things that we're going to have to improve on despite the best efforts of a lot of folks here. Gillen and CHCS, I know judge Kaysen talked about a little bit of what he's done, all of the specialty courts that have put in, been put in place for decades that have worked towards the restorative therapeutic justice model.

2:12:50 – 2:13:28Speaker 8

We, you know, I think in an ideal world we'd have a smaller bricks and mortar jail and a bigger bricks and mortar diversion center, so that we could help folks that rather than lock them up. And so I think that that is the goal. I don't know what that number of beds looks like, but I wanted to acknowledge the fact that, you know, I saw David here, you know, from from Lifetime. I met the new CEO, John Hornsby recently. Big shoes to fill there at Lifetime, but I've known John for twenty five years and I know he's committed to being a partner.

2:13:28 – 2:13:56Speaker 8

We can't, as a county, just fully rely on our partners, and I think that's where we we center back the discussion on on a diversion type unit or building. I wanted to ask, and I was gonna put you in the spotlight, Eddie, because I know you just had a recent surgery. You looked great, by the way. But if Ed would come up, because I think, again, these are just my impressions. I hope you're doing well, Ed, by the way. You look great.

2:13:57Speaker 4

Ed did not listen to me and stay

2:13:59Speaker 8

on I know you should be you should not be here. Should be on hold.

2:14:02Speaker 29

Listen to the commissioner on everything she needs to

2:14:04Speaker 30

to that she says.

2:14:06 – 2:14:52Speaker 8

That's how important this discussion is Ed, and so we appreciate you being here. You know, going back to my first budget on commissioners court 2019 with the discussion that I had with you and George Hernandez and Reed Hurley, if you recall, we had a discussion back then about potentially tinkering with your tax rate. And it would have been back then a de minimis amount to an average homeowner, but it would have meant $7,000,000 or 8,000,000 to your budget. And the discussion back then was can we use that instead to bolster what University Health is doing in the mental health space? You remember that Ed?

2:14:52Speaker 8

Mhmm. Am I recollecting Okay. That Yes. So we brought that to court. We eventually got commissioners to agree to that.

2:14:59 – 2:15:44Speaker 8

And so I wanted to highlight that because we tend to forget that, you know, everybody thinks of university health as a place you go when you need a surgery. But the reality is there are preventative programs that you're working on, that you're committed to, and increasingly those have been in the mental health space, and even recently with respect to those that interface with our justice system at the jail. So Ed, I wanted to first of all thank you for the commitment that UHS has made in the past. And I think, again, just me speaking, the court's gonna weigh in. I think that we're gonna have to lean in to that partnership even further.

2:15:44 – 2:16:15Speaker 8

And and I'd like to hear your thoughts on how you see that in terms of your vision for helping us through what I think is a core function. And not just that, not only is it a core responsibility of ours, but I think it's what makes the most impact in a lot of areas, quality of life wise, on where people choose to work and live. So if you can talk a little bit about maybe what what you've done past budgets with those dollars and and how you see the vision for moving forward.

2:16:15 – 2:16:38Speaker 29

Yeah. Well, first of all, I'm glad to be here. And I want to thank all the commissioners and Judge Sakai who have reached out. It was very, very nice of you, and I appreciate that. I'm one of 13,000 employees at University Health that are committed to this county and to South Texas.

2:16:41 – 2:17:18Speaker 29

If somebody needs help, we're gonna make sure that we can provide the care. And I want to recognize a few people that wouldn't be without the leadership of Mr. Jimmy Haslocker as our board chair, all of your appointees. I can't say enough how wonderful every one of our board members are who take this seriously, every issue when it comes to, medical and mental health in our in our community. We have a public health subcommittee that met last night.

2:17:18 – 2:18:35Speaker 29

Again, at the urging of commissioner Clay Flores, I wanna just tell you how we start to we see the problem, we address the problem, and we try working together with all the organizations. And I wanna recognize also Eric Epley who had the vision when I came here in 2015 about all the health systems working together, the city, the county, and we wouldn't be where we are today, which is much better off than a lot of cities across the country by having navigation, the teams, the pick teams, the working with the sheriff and his teams, and then the staff in the back, doctor Abby Lozano, who's over our mental health, Stephanie Stiefer, who's over the jail service, correctional services, Sally Taylor, who's retired but doesn't retire, she still works with us. But just to give you an example, the commitment we knew needed to be on the South Side. That clinic opened. We saw 554 patients already there, 187 new just in a few months, 456 therapy visits.

2:18:36 – 2:18:56Speaker 29

Our largest population is from 18 to 39. We're treating anxiety, depression, PTSD. We have a domestic violence address down there. We have a zero suicide program down there. We have licensed chemical dependency people down there.

2:18:56 – 2:19:49Speaker 29

We're treating this in the outpatient before they can become part of the system that we've discussed today. In the jail, we're up to about three seventy health care providers in the jail, a growth of over $30,000,000 in expense for employees. We have chemical dependency counselors down there, social workers, psychiatrists, regular, what I would say regular mental health, as well as medical providers down there. In a very big, large facility that is not a hospital where you can do things as easily. Working together as a group, no one department, county, individual department, we have to work together as a team.

2:19:50 – 2:20:26Speaker 29

We have lots of opportunities to look at alternative fundings as we mentioned when it comes to medication management. There's opportunities to get pharmaceuticals funded if they're outpatients through the 340B program, federal programs, other programs. We have a grants department. We also have to hold the state accountable, which is the state's responsible for mental health and making sure that funding is available. The dollars that we make sure that are available through our budget.

2:20:27 – 2:21:30Speaker 29

It is so important that we all work together and collaboratively as you mentioned today. And I'd like to just take the liberty. We all put some editorials in the newspaper over the last couple of months, and one of the editorials that I was lucky enough to be able to put in was talking about how we could all work together, how we have, as Commissioner Moody mentioned, the pyramid. There's multiple layers, the last parts being that we don't want inpatient hospitalizations or incarceration as our goal when we know that we can treat on an ambulatory side. And I received a unique letter, and I just wanna read some excerpts to you, and it says, after reading your recent article in the San Antonio News Express, I feel excited and quasi loved knowing that people such as yourself have the heart that beats.

2:21:31 – 2:22:06Speaker 29

As a current inmate in the Bexar County Jail and under prescribed mental health medication, I relate to your mission and support this thinking. I am not under the Suboxone or opioid program here in jail, but many of those in my housing unit do need this treatment. And I do have and I have benefited from faster and I could have benefited from faster alternative treatments rather than incarceration. If I may, I'd like to share with you another issue that I myself has experienced. Beer County has remanded many inmates, myself included, without bond under mental health sixteen twenty two.

2:22:06 – 2:22:42Speaker 29

Keep all keeps all the jail population with many inmates that could benefit from programs mentioned in your article. I've been inside the jail for over a year awaiting a competency restoration program. I have heard code one blue when inmate is unresponsive. I've heard it announced in the mental health units of the building more times than I can remember. It goes on, and I just wanna say is my appeal to you, mister Banis, is to continue to strive with collaborative legislation to improve treatment, timeliness of care, and alternatives to jail in Bexar County especially.

2:22:43 – 2:23:26Speaker 29

Thank you for your willingness to voice your opinion. As an incarcerated veteran US Army, I am very aware of the problems that arise from being in jail with mental illness. Even with medications, the problems conditions worse. And then at at the very very end, it says, p s, thank all the medication nurses in the jail. Their smiles make a difference for those of us with mental illness. I just wanted to put a little personal story to that because we're talking about people that their lives are in jail. We need to make sure that they're taken care of. I want to make sure the university can be a part of the solution, but the solution is not just universities alone.

2:23:26 – 2:24:11Speaker 29

It's all the people that are in this room working together. I You have my commitment. I don't want mister Houselocker's commitment and the board that we are gonna do everything we can to make Bexar County the shining star in the state, if not the nation, on how we can do this right. We know that people don't need to be in the jail. We know that we can keep them out of the jail with preventative treatment. We know that in the community we can take care of them. We know if we invest our dollars for this, these are gonna be the least expensive dollars before we have to do the more expensive dollars. And I'm committed to all of you to making sure that we can solve this problem together.

2:24:12 – 2:24:37Speaker 8

Ed, thank you for for sharing that. I'm gonna I'm gonna let you yeah. Let's give him a round of applause. I'm gonna let you sit down because I know I know you're still getting back on your feet from your from your surgery. But you know, I I think people think about you, Ed and Jimmy, and you guys just run a hospital, but you're really impacting a lot of lives in a lot of different ways.

2:24:37 – 2:25:22Speaker 8

And I think that we certainly recognize that and I think that's part of the reason, as I mentioned, we're going to be even more joined at the hip in terms of figuring this out with the rest of the folks in this room, Jillian included. I mean, I've worked with Jillian since we were both at the city. And so there's a lot of folks from county staff to our partners that if we're going to the next court in ten or twenty years is talking about what we're doing, there's going to be a different footprint for how we get there. And I'm very confident the folks in this room can help make that happen. So thank you, Ed, for that.

2:25:22Speaker 8

Thomas, I wanted to ask you a couple of things, but I'm going let you sit down, Ed. Thank you.

2:25:27 – 2:25:46Speaker 8

Part part of, by the way, I know Ed, you're you're part of the city county committee. I know there's a the way, there's a initial planning meeting this afternoon that commissioner mean, a councilwoman Castillo and I are co chairing. So I don't know if you're going to be there or somebody from your team will.

2:25:46Speaker 29

Some of our team will be there. They're attending. And they're actually going to go on the field trip to Harris Health as well. Yes. That she said scheduled.

2:25:53Speaker 8

Perfect. Jimmy, do you want to add something?

2:25:56Speaker 4

Ed, can you please go home and rest?

2:25:58 – 2:26:26Speaker 31

I I echo what Ed Ed has said. This is very important. You've gotta have a healthy community, and part part of that has to be that we all work together in order to be able to help these people that that need the help. You look at the Laurel Ridge situation right now. Judge Kaysen and I were in the back discussing it.

2:26:26 – 2:27:06Speaker 31

It's a very difficult situation. It's going to put a lot of pressure on the ERs around town for all the hospitals, not just university. And we will probably talk a little bit about it tonight at our board meeting that we're having this evening. But this is a problem that takes a lot of partners to be able to make a difference, and we all must work together because there's an awful lot of money that's being spent that we all, if we got together, could probably go a little bit further. And thank the commissioners for having this session this morning, and we look forward to working with you.

2:27:06 – 2:27:31Speaker 8

Thank you, Jimmy. Appreciate that. Thomas, let me just ask real quick back to the presentation, just to clarify in my head that slide, 11 that is a list of strategies. So I thought you had said, if I heard you correctly or someone said that these are all programmatic dollars, none of this includes the capital in

2:27:31Speaker 20

No. Believe that includes capital in there.

2:27:33Speaker 5

Okay. It might just for CrossPoint.

2:27:36Speaker 8

Doctor Aiken? Couldn't hear you.

2:27:40Speaker 5

If if I'm not mistaken, part of the residential treatment might have been for CrossPoint. I'd I'd have to double check and see if that but the majority is for direct services.

2:27:48Speaker 8

Okay. So so if you guys can get us

2:27:51Speaker 5

The breakdown?

2:27:51 – 2:28:04Speaker 8

The breakdown. Absolutely. That would be great. And this is, you know, a forecast for our budget team, and it's already gonna be a a tough budget. And I know we've already had folks, different departments ask us.

2:28:04 – 2:29:03Speaker 8

And I think this court in the past have been very supportive, for example, in adding law enforcement, adding constables. It may not be that we can do that this particular budget because we're gonna have to prioritize and make some tough decisions on programs that impact people and that really help them turn their lives around. Not to say that law enforcement doesn't, but I think that's going to be part of this discussion this court's going to have to have on making some of those tough decisions and prioritizing because as we've seen some of the initial revenue numbers from property tax flattened out a little bit and probably will be for the next couple of years, coupled with the fact that those ARPA dollars are on the down drawing down. So okay, let me ask one more thing and I'll let my other my colleagues chime in. Actually, you know what?

2:29:03 – 2:29:33Speaker 8

Commissioner Clay Flood has asked about the Applewhite. And so Jarvis, thanks for thank you. You don't need to come back up. Thank you for doing what you can to get that on track. I know it seems like we made that allocation or at least the appropriation several years ago. I think the sooner we can get that going, the better. But we appreciate your work on doing that. You know, go ahead and pass my time for now, but I appreciate the work that everybody's done. And I look forward to continuing the conversation. Thank you, judge.

2:29:33Speaker 1

And is it Commissioner Cowart? I don't forget.

2:29:37 – 2:30:10Speaker 2

Yes. Thank you, judge. Thank you, commissioner Moody for helping to get this all the staff and everyone there present. Commissioner Moody asked a question about assumptions that we have that may be missing. I would say that one of the big criminal justice changes we just heard from Ed with respect to the Southside Public Health development is this increase in therapeutic justice and the movement of therapy into schools.

2:30:11 – 2:30:54Speaker 2

You all have heard me say before, this was not something possible ten excuse me, twelve years ago when when I was on commissioners court, it was very taboo for superintendents to do mental health. So I think one of the things that we have to look at in terms of assumptions is, what is the Texas legislature going to do with respect to adverse childhood experiences. Adverse childhood experiences are potentially traumatic events occurring before the age of 18, including abuse and neglect and household dysfunction. When there's addiction in the house, there are sometimes divorce or incarceration. These are very common things that happen in our community.

2:30:55 – 2:31:35Speaker 2

And about sixty one percent of adults report at least one adverse childhood experience, and that can lead to long term toxic stress that negatively impacts brain development and long term physical and mental health. So I think our legislative team needs to perhaps look at some of the positive tea leaves and also begin to work around the state. I don't say this for a partisan reason. I just say this as a political observer. It looks like the Texas House may end up changing parties.

2:31:36 – 2:32:36Speaker 2

And that would I think be positive for addressing adverse childhood experiences. And I think it's up to us as other leaders on the ground looking at this to not forget and let the legislature forget that they should be having the burden financially of supporting the kind of mental health services that the commissioner's court provided as a result of the American Recovery Plan Act. That is not something that the county has really all the time under its statutory mandate, but it's something that the legislature should use as part of school programming, for part of community school programming, something that we can partner with them. And we also need to expand the amount of counselors that are available in order to meet the demand. I think that is a lot to do with those 10,000 mental health detentions that Judge Kacen came in and talked about are such a problem.

2:32:36 – 2:33:06Speaker 2

So I think that we need to look at the fact that in the past when we did projections for jail population, we did not have mental health counseling in our schools. And what does somebody needs to do a study on, what does the inclusion of mental health counseling do in terms of that school to prison prison pipeline? What does it do to reduce that? I think NAMI needs to be in this conversation, the National Association for Mental Illness. School districts need to be brought.

2:33:07 – 2:33:52Speaker 2

The state of Texas's public health director or public health commissioner rather and and probably a director too. Our charters are nonprofits. All of those folks may be at the table, but they are are very important. Now with respect to this pharmaceutical issue, we've got University Health folks in the room. I'm not exactly sure what the holdup is, but I think that considering that we have 100 and plus unused beds, if we got to get HEB, CVS, Walmart, Ortiz Pharmacy, whoever to help us with the licensing and the needs that we have, I think we need to make that a priority so that the beds are not empty and actually dealing with recidivism.

2:33:53 – 2:34:47Speaker 2

We also have not taken in consideration, commissioners court, the expansion of mental health that can take place at the State Hospital. We know that that's a regional, know, that's not all Bexar County. But the addition of $300,000,000 for that campus is is important in some of the severe acute cases that come through the Bexar County Jail. But moreover, in this leading the other elected officials around the state and an agenda that helps address gel prevention and and and diversion. The 100 there's literally a 111 acres of empty land there where hospital is that could be placed for additional medical, some mental health services and partnerships for a number of organizations.

2:34:47 – 2:35:30Speaker 2

And I would submit that we need to get with the State Facilities Corporation and others and begin planning how do we do that treatment in partnership with all the folks that you've mentioned today. So I wanted to throw that out there. I'm actually quite optimistic that the political wins in the next five years in Texas are going to be such that there's going be more investments to stem the school, the prison pipeline and and that gel diversion, that gel deflection, whatever the term, you all know what we're supposed to what we're trying to say. Whatever it is, is going to help us not have to necessarily build $1,000,000,000 for expansion of our jail. So thank you, judge. Thank you, court for this discussion.

2:35:31Speaker 1

Commissioner Muria, back to you.

2:35:33 – 2:36:16Speaker 11

Thank you, judge. Appreciate all the the engagement here, and and I think it's it's good. It's good to hear alignment and support. There's a few things I still wanna cover, and I wanted to make sure all of our partners had a chance to to speak as well. Just one quick thing, Thomas, before going on. Slide 12, I was just looking at the the jail population snapshot. The diverted numbers they just didn't look like they matched up with between the two lines there. Are the the numbers in parentheses right or the the gap between the lines?

2:36:20Speaker 20

You're talking about the year to date

2:36:22Speaker 11

The May and the 05/30? Mhmm. I was just trying to understand those those two numbers versus the between the lines, it looks like it's more than that. I don't know where we got them.

2:36:34Speaker 20

Yeah. The gap is correct. I mean, Joe Pop snapshot, there's other items, not just diversion that's adjudication, other stuff that's moving Okay. People out

2:36:47 – 2:37:07Speaker 11

And this will lead into to the other conversation I wanted to have. But you had a bunch of recommendations here, but I did saw that the on-site annex at the jail was not included as an assessment recommendation. Were there other like recommendations from the SASH study, Meadows, Testa that were not included here?

2:37:10 – 2:37:25Speaker 20

I think the only things we kinda left off from those were kind of some minor policies, some some technology. So I think those are things we're gonna be handling, you know, back of the house. But

2:37:25 – 2:37:47Speaker 11

Okay. Because I kinda wanna pull pull a couple things together. I did share with my colleagues here the old studies that we have seen here in commissioner's court. Right? From the GI evaluation by doctor Chesta, the Meadows study, the SASH study that was presented to us by Dan Curry, and he may want to come out as well.

2:37:47 – 2:38:39Speaker 11

Oh, you're back there. But one of the highlights here that was part of the SASH study was a new medical behavioral health facility on the current ADC campus that could provide improved medical facilities for UHS, as well as mental health beds, forensic beds, and also potentially address the JIA situation, which is ongoing and another separate story. But that wasn't included in your slides, and I just wanted to go back. Is that still one of the recommendations, Mr. Curry, from the Meadows study, is that correct?

2:38:40 – 2:39:19Speaker 9

Yeah. The the sash reuse piece or the forgive me. The the building a medical facility at the jail campus was a recommendation buried in the Meadows assessment. The phase two of that assessment. I know they did a regional community based look and then a detention based look through two phases of that study. In the detention based phase of that study, they recommended additional medical and medical mental health treatment facility beds on the jail campus or some some other location. So our our SAS presentation was directly in line with that recommendation from the MEDAW study to expand that mental health supply No,

2:39:19 – 2:40:05Speaker 11

appreciate that. Because I think it's an important omission because that concept, that recommendation that came before I was on court, right, and that study was out there and completed before we were on court, made that recommendation to this commissioner's court. And I don't think we should look past it, especially after talking with our partners at UHS and knowing their concerns, knowing also the impact on staffing over time with all the transportation issues going back and forth between the jail. I know Commissioner Rodriguez highlighted it. I very much appreciate UHS's commitment to partnering with us.

2:40:05 – 2:40:33Speaker 11

We've had some great discussions over in the Pet Tower regarding this. And I think we need to start looking at solutions. Right? We're in alignment. We're starting to see alignment here and some good discussion. But what does that mean? Right? In the near term, that communication highlights, you know, gaps in information. Like, we didn't know some some beds were sitting vacant. We know there needs to be medication.

2:40:33 – 2:41:14Speaker 11

You know, does UHS help with that? How how do we solve that? So I think that's great. But in the mid to long term, what does that look like in terms of psychiatric hospital, in terms of a partnership, a financial partnership, potentially between UHS and Bexar County on a facility that could, again, be on the current grounds of the jail or somewhere else that would provide those mental health beds, medical facilities close by to facilitate care that we need in the jail as well. So I think those are all important things to highlight.

2:41:14 – 2:41:36Speaker 11

I did capture your comment, Ed, about not a hospital. It isn't a hospital. Right? But we know we have to provide medical care there in the jail, and so we need to make sure that we have the medical facilities necessary to be able to do that. I wanted to make sure and call up had a couple other invited guests.

2:41:38 – 2:42:07Speaker 11

Eric Epley, would you mind just coming up and speaking to us briefly from Thank you for your patience. I know it's been been a long discussion here, but from Strak's perspective, I know you've done a lot of work out there in making sure people in crisis get the care they need and have a lot of experience in this space. Would love to get your recommendations, your thoughts, and any challenges you're dealing with with smart teams or anything else at this point.

2:42:08 – 2:42:26Speaker 23

Thank you, commissioner Moody. And commissioners and judge, it's a great chance to have a conversation with you. It's a tough conversation. I'm glad you're tackling the Diversion Deflection Center. It's one of the three legs of the stool.

2:42:27 – 2:42:54Speaker 23

It's one of the three legs. I I convened a meeting of the the health care principles about two or three months ago, and we came to consensus on those three legs. Mr. Banas was a key leader in that discussion, but the other health care system CEOs and other key leaders were in that room, and those three legs were pretty simple. They're expensive, but they're pretty simple.

2:42:55 – 2:43:29Speaker 23

Diversion deflection center, which you're tackling right now, which we appreciate. Wraparound services because it doesn't matter if it's a diversion center or if it's an inpatient actual psychiatric hospital or inpatient bed capacity, that's the third leg. The wraparound services make sure those things stay eligible for more patients. Transitional housing, permanent supportive housing, multidisciplinary response teams, some of those things we're doing pretty well. You mentioned the SMART team.

2:43:29 – 2:43:56Speaker 23

We also have the core team in the city. We are having trouble with that. The SMART team alone did 2,500, almost 2,500 patients last year responded to in the county, both on the East and West side. We had no arrests. We had no arrests, and we almost had no use of force.

2:43:56 – 2:44:26Speaker 23

We had one use of force, but only because the gentleman took off and ran into a busy interstate, and we had to tase him to be able to stop him before he was committing suicide. So so honestly, you look at an effective diversion deflection effort, the SMART team is critical. It's critical to our success right now. It's a National Association of Counties Best Practice Award we received for it. It's in jeopardy.

2:44:28 – 2:45:10Speaker 23

It's in jeopardy right now. Strack is committed to the SMART team, to the SMART team mission. Strack has been committed to this from day one for that purpose. Right now, we find ourselves funding our partners, Bexar County ESD District two, great guys who are providing paramedics to the SMART team. Mr. Flores, I think you know that. CHCS, wonderful partner with clinicians to go on those teams. You're talking about a Bear County deputy, an ESD two paramedic, and a CHCS mental health clinician in that Tahoe. They're making these runs every day. They deserve to be paid.

2:45:10 – 2:45:30Speaker 23

We've been paying them. We're doing that without a contract. I know some of you are aware of that, but I want to make the court aware of that. We'd like to resolve the issues with that, but but the county attorney will not even meet with us face to face. We have to give all of our comments, even from our lawyers.

2:45:30 – 2:46:01Speaker 23

We won't even talk to our lawyers face to face or on the phone, Zoom. I I I don't know how to resolve issues over red lines that take weeks to come back and forth. That's why we're at eight months. I think a face to face meeting, judge, with with perhaps one of you maybe a couple of commissioner or you or and and mediate some of these discussions because it this this this is too important a mission. I have a lot of other things to say.

2:46:01 – 2:46:25Speaker 23

I'm gonna drop that now, but that's my that's my request, judge. Things you may not know about the Laurel Ridge Treatment Center closure. They've lost their CMS provider status. CMS has been working with them for months, This didn't happen overnight. I think this is significant to our community.

2:46:26 – 2:47:05Speaker 23

CMS doesn't take this is a pretty rash action. CMS takes this action about seven to 10 times a year across the entire United States. Laurel Ridge's commitment to me from their leadership is they're gonna stay open with a very small unit, 20 to 40 beds. They're gonna reapply for their CMS status because they can't bill Medicare, Medicaid, and many contracts, private contracts, require you to have your CMS status as sort of a level of capability, right? There will be a waiting period before they're allowed to reapply.

2:47:06Speaker 11

Do you know how long that will be?

2:47:08 – 2:47:25Speaker 23

They don't know. It could be three months, it could be six months, it could be a year, could be a day. It's not going be a day. We'll know that hopefully next week. They have 86 patients as of today, and by Friday, they will be down to the 20.

2:47:27 – 2:48:01Speaker 23

That is a three thirty bed facility, three thirty bed loss to our inpatient capability. 22 of those three thirty beds are what we call the unfunded contract beds that CHCS is so generously providing through HHSC funds. We currently have about 68 contract beds, 22 of those are at Laurel Ridge. Earlier, it was mentioned we have those ARPA beds as well. Thank you for those eight additional contract beds.

2:48:01 – 2:48:45Speaker 23

That's the 60 plus eight. That's how we get to 68. So we're losing Laurel Ridge on Friday. We're losing those 22 contract beds that Laurel Ridge has provided, and we're losing the ARPA beds on Friday, midnight. That's going to have impact to the psychiatric centers in this town. That's going to have impact to the ERs in this town. I would I would encourage our health care partners to remember twenty fifteen and 2016. That's where we're going back to on Friday morning. It's gonna impact the police and the sheriff. There's no doubt.

2:48:46 – 2:49:10Speaker 23

It's gonna impact the jail. We're talking about trying to reduce the jail, but when it's as the final destination if there is no other destination. We've seen it over and over, and that's coming. It's gonna impact the shelters. It's gonna impact every part of our society, and and it I it's coming like a freight train.

2:49:13 – 2:49:25Speaker 23

You know, crisis mental health is complex because it has three components. You, of course, have a health care component, but you also have a you you have this justice

2:49:27 – 2:49:56Speaker 23

component and a public safety component. Well, public safety and justice are used to having geopolitical lines. Health care doesn't deal in we know oh, you're from Comal County? Yeah. We're not gonna see you over here at Methodist or Baptist. Like, that doesn't exist. We it's it's a catchment area. It's how far can you draw patients. And and those geopolitical lines create a great deal of the complexity related to crisis mental health. So it's where people can be funded and not funded, etcetera.

2:49:59 – 2:50:14Speaker 23

We're committed to trying to help navigate that complexity at STIC, at the at the STRIC, South Southwest Texas Crisis Collaborative. I've said it. I'm gonna pause there.

2:50:15 – 2:50:47Speaker 11

Well, I I appreciate your candor and your willingness to to give us facts. I think, first of all, I mean, you have my commitment to to to try to facilitate this going forward with the smart teams. I think there's agreement that this is something that has been hugely successful and that we would wanna see continued. But obviously, we need to sort that out in terms of the contract. I also think you bring up some serious points that we need to consider.

2:50:47 – 2:51:15Speaker 11

I mean, we want to we want to think about playing offense on this issue, but I mean, shoot, we got to play defense too. I mean, we're losing hundreds of beds, and and what does that look like, you know, next week? So I I think that those are some definitely sobering numbers and stats that we need to consider going forward. But appreciate your willingness to come here and share all that. And I don't know if anybody else has any questions or comments.

2:51:16 – 2:51:50Speaker 11

Wanted to bring Brandon Wood up as well. You, Eric. I think I Brandon, if you could join us. I just wanted to introduce Brandon Wood, former director of the Texas jail commission, I believe, and recently we sat down for a breakfast and got to pick his brain on what he's seen over the years. Both both, you know, in terms of stats with with our jail and criminal justice system, but also across the state.

2:51:51 – 2:52:12Speaker 11

He's watched some of the things that are going on in Harris County, Dallas County, Travis County, and other big urban areas. So I'm just gonna kinda open it up to you rather than than talking anymore, but if you could tell us about, you know, your experience and and kind of what you've seen and and some of the challenges and how other big urban counties are are thinking about this and and dealing with these issues.

2:52:13 – 2:52:38Speaker 10

Brandon Wood, former executive director of Texas Commission on Jail Standards, currently, with GMJ. And, I appreciate the opportunity to, speak to, an extremely important issue. And to be honest with you, you're asking the right questions and you're saying the right things. You understand that there's a need for deflection and diversion. You've heard that it is one part of this three legged stool.

2:52:39 – 2:53:30Speaker 10

It may have more legs, than just three because criminal justice, is an extremely complicated program, probably one of the least popular unfortunately or fortunately, whichever way you wanna look at it, that counties are required to operate. Your general public normally does not have a general understanding of what these jails consist of. And the first thing I always tell people is that your county jail is just one part of a criminal justice system. And if any part of that system is not working and operating as effectively and as efficiently as possible, your jail population will go up and you will continue to experience the outcomes that you're trying to avoid. Deflection and diversion, we hear people talk about it all the time, all across the state, all across the nation.

2:53:30 – 2:54:15Speaker 10

And the first thing that I'd ask is, you want to deflect these people, you want to divert them, where are you diverting them to? What type of care is being provided? One of the things that is extremely as important is also to ensure that local law enforcement has buy in and understands the value of these diversion centers. Because, for example, I've heard time and time again and have seen it as well, if an individual is picked up and taken to a diversion center and they are able to check themselves out within three to four hours and that same officer runs across that individual on his same shift, they have less of an incentive to utilize those facilities. So that programming is extremely important.

2:54:16 – 2:54:55Speaker 10

Quick math based upon some of the data that y'all were throwing out there earlier. Your county is projected to be at 3,300,000, I believe, is the number that I heard previously by 2015, about twenty five years, twenty twenty four years now. Even if you were able to drive your incarceration rate down to two point o, which is where we see most of the larger urban counties across the state, you would still probably have an inmate population over 6,500. So even if you are doing everything that you need to do, you do have to have a plan at some point in the future to provide that additional capacity.

2:54:55Speaker 11

Can divert and deflect everyone.

2:54:57Speaker 22

I'm sorry. What was

2:54:58Speaker 11

the We we can't divert and deflect everyone.

2:55:03 – 2:55:42Speaker 10

The providing of public safety is one of the primary functions of local government and state government, and ensuring that you have proper space for those individuals that you cannot safely release back out in the public is something that we are burdened with. But you should still try as much as you possibly can. You have to drive down your incarceration rates. You have to ensure that if that individual can be placed safely back into the community, that should be your number one goal after the provision of public safety. So a realistic approach, do you have tripwires in place where if your inmate population reaches a certain amount, what occurs at that point in time?

2:55:42 – 2:56:25Speaker 10

Or if the programs that you are putting in place are not providing the outcomes that you are expecting, what does the return on investment in regards to these programs reinforce success on those programs? So I would encourage you to keep having these discussions. These programs, just like any large organization, having come from state bureaucracy, I can speak to this firsthand, we have a tendency to find ourselves operating in a silo. You have to ensure that you engage your partners, open lines of communication, holding everybody accountable to what they're supposed to be doing. That can be difficult at times, I know.

2:56:25 – 2:56:56Speaker 10

But it is imperative that the county continue down the path. Bexar County was traditionally seen as very progressive in this regard. Whenever I first started, I was blown away by the the match program, mothers and their children, that was being operated at the jail. The other programs that were being provided with the community, community support, providing those programs so that you can divert these individuals. Provision of health care within jails.

2:56:57 – 2:57:30Speaker 10

Every jail that we see coming online now to include one that we are currently helping program, large amounts of space are being provided for additional health care to be provided on-site at the county jail. You're not expected to possibly be operating a level one trauma center at these jails, but you do need the space and the resources available to provide that level of care. We want to reduce the number of in custody deaths. Everybody has that goal. Nobody sets out wanting to be ranked number one in the state for death in custodies.

2:57:31 – 2:58:02Speaker 10

We understand that, unfortunately, some of the individuals that we do interact with in our criminal justice system have preexisting health conditions. They have not had access to health care that would help them, but reduction of suicides, elimination of homicides, those are items that have to be done. And ensuring that you have that seamless type transition whenever you're moving these people out can help you accomplish that. But you have to be providing those services in that county jail.

2:58:03 – 2:58:17Speaker 11

Well, I I appreciate all those thoughts. I just have a couple quick questions and I wanted to highlight a couple of your points. First of all, that you said medical on-site is a best practice that is being utilized in all new new construction, basically, at

2:58:17Speaker 10

this point. It is.

2:58:19 – 2:59:10Speaker 11

Also highlighted the the math says based on our growth rate, even if we drove incarceration rates down, again, we're talking about assumptions earlier, you'd still be looking at 6,500 inmates, which we're at 5,000 capacity. So that that would be a serious problem. To your point about trip wires and having a plan, I think that that's something we realized when we hit the trip wire and we didn't have a plan. And so we did, you know, get these contracts with surrounding counties, but we're still trying to figure out what that process looks like, and how we pull inmates back when we have that additional capacity, and we don't overuse those contracts. But how does that look like statewide at this point?

2:59:10 – 2:59:36Speaker 11

Because if more and more counties are having to look to other surrounding counties for additional capacity, are you seeing a lot of that? And I mean, we just saw one of our counties increase the cost per bed per night $20, you know, 30% overnight. So are are you seeing a dwindling supply of of those counties that are willing to do that?

2:59:36 – 3:00:23Speaker 10

We see counties get into bidding wars against each other for those available beds. That in turn has forced some counties to actually house their inmates out of state. And that is an issue that we were not able to prevent because we did not have the authority while I was with the commission. But we had concerns with that practice because those are citizens of the state of Texas, and they were no longer being held within the confines of the state. And whenever you have over 1,000 of your inmates housed out of state, and then we had other counties, smaller counties, simply did not have the ability to compete with some of the larger counties consuming these available beds, they were also starting to move their inmates out of state.

3:00:23 – 3:00:49Speaker 10

So the reduction in excess capacity across the state has finally reached the point that you cannot simply just pick up the phone and secure 500 beds without any issue. Accounting may guarantee you 100 beds, but they may even say that you're going to pay for those 100 beds even if you do not fill them. So that is the new model that is coming into play and I believe that will continue into the near future.

3:00:50 – 3:01:26Speaker 11

Yeah. There's there's two parts to that. First of all, you you if you do find them, there's gonna be enough competition that the price is gonna go up, which we just saw Yes. With Kerr County. And that's if you're lucky. If not, you can't find those beds, and then you got a bigger problem. That's correct. Appreciate you sharing that. Now, I don't know what the answer to this question will be, but I want you to just speak to what you know about the Dallas County situation, because I know they are building a new jail there. I'm not suggesting that we build a new jail, but they are sometimes we partisan politics creeps in here.

3:01:26 – 3:01:42Speaker 11

Dallas County doesn't have a Republican on their commissioner's court. They are building a new Dallas County Jail. They're slightly bigger than we are, but could you speak to the details of that? And what compelled them to believe that they needed to do that at this time?

3:01:43 – 3:02:31Speaker 10

So the Dallas County Jail System has several similarities to Bexar County. Multi facilities that have been built over the years. They have tried to make them as efficient as possible. But in the end, it was the realization that they did need to move probably out of downtown and address the criminal justice needs of the county for the next thirty to fifty years, right out of the bat. Now if that includes doing a phased approach, that may be one of the things that they do undertake, but they wanna make sure that they're providing the right type of beds along with diversion programmed into it in order to try to reduce the end number of beds that they would need at that fifty year period.

3:02:31 – 3:03:11Speaker 10

So the age of the facilities, maintenance of these facilities can become exorbitant. You are dealing with systems that age out, vendors no longer produce the parts. And then whenever you have the responsibility to ensure that all of your doors actually lock and stay locked, but that vendor no longer produces those parts, all of a sudden, you're encountering a situation in which you are now having to do a complete replacement of doors, security electronics, computer systems. All those items, you know, whether it's planned obsolescence or whatever you wanna call it, they have to be replaced on an ongoing basis. Then you have all the life safety systems that are in place.

3:03:11 – 3:03:43Speaker 10

And anytime that you're dealing with these older buildings, they decay. They are used twenty four seven, three hundred and sixty five days a year. It is not like your traditional office building, which gets a break. So the cost of maintenance of these jails, the older they are, the higher it becomes. And at certain points, you have to realize that you are no longer getting out of that jail what you need to get out of it. You're spending more on it than it would almost cost to build a new one. But it is a breakeven point.

3:03:43 – 3:04:13Speaker 11

No. I appreciate that, Brandon. And I think that it's You know, I used the example one time about, you know, your your truck, your your Chevy pickup truck. Right? Like, you're good at a 150,000 miles. You know, you start spending more and more on maintenance. You get to 200,000 miles. I see you, Thomas. You get to 250,000 miles. I mean, at some point, you start, I need a new engine, I need a new transmission.

3:04:13 – 3:04:53Speaker 11

You start putting so much money out in terms of maintenance costs that you figure, well, I could actually go out and purchase a new truck and save money going that way. And eventually, Thomas, everybody gets there. But I think that that brings to your point. Right? And I'd like, Dan, if you wouldn't mind coming up just briefly. I'm gonna close things down here, judge, shortly. But Dan, could you just speak to the different annexes and and the dates? Like and and Brandon, I'd like to hear your thoughts too on the useful life of a jail in general.

3:04:54 – 3:05:17Speaker 9

Well, I think you're looking at, you know, our dissension facilities and their age. So again, the original Bexar County detention center on the Comal Campus was BNC Tower and was constructed around 1986. A few years later in 1889, they added A Tower. So pretty quickly after that. So that's what we call the main Forty years. Correct.

3:05:20 – 3:05:46Speaker 9

Adult attention center annex was completed in the early nineties. When those came online, I think '95 was when the building was renovated, A And B Tower and then C And D Tower was added to that. So a quick progression in that twenty year window of adding a significant number of beds to that campus. And in back in 2015, we added 512 beds to the South Tower facility, which includes the GA intake center.

3:05:46 – 3:05:59Speaker 11

Have we seen an increase in escalation and maintenance costs? Mean, there any, you know, maintenance costs that are just going to be an extreme burden in the coming years?

3:05:59 – 3:06:29Speaker 9

Well, I will I will tell you, I'm thankful that the court has in the past invested heavily in making sure the jail stays in compliance, and it has all the public physical plant attributes that it needs. Yeah. You allowed us to replace the detention toilets, which were cause of concern, replace detention lighting. So I don't know, akin to kind of pulling the skeleton out of the body and putting it back in. But it is a significant investment, for the county as you well noted and we're doing our best to make sure that we bring you projects to make sure it stays in compliance with standards.

3:06:30 – 3:06:59Speaker 11

Yeah. And I hope that we can kind of continue this conversation because I know we could continue on for another couple hours, but know we got other business to attend to as well. So I wanted to kind of close things down. But I do think understanding like our ongoing maintenance costs for the jail, like looking at them over the last ten years, and what's expected over the next ten years would be helpful in thinking about this too. Mr. Wood, if you wouldn't mind just answering that question as well in terms of useful life.

3:07:00 – 3:07:28Speaker 10

So one of the things that we always encourage counties to take into account is that you want that jail to be able to last twenty years without having to add on to it. Now even during that twenty years because twenty years is traditionally the length of the bond that is issued, paid off, so forth and so on. Nobody ever wants to go back out to the voters and say, yeah, we didn't ask for enough money to build enough jail beds. But even during that twenty year period, roofs are going to need to be replaced. You can have mechanical systems start going out.

3:07:29 – 3:07:54Speaker 10

So hopefully, you get a good five years where you're like in really good shape, but after that, you're probably going to start incurring preventative maintenance costs and some replacement costs. You may have a generator go out. Generators get hit by lightning, whatever the case may be. So we always encourage counties to look at that twenty year window right there, and then counties want to operate that jail and not build anything for a hundred and twenty years. I get it.

3:07:54 – 3:08:36Speaker 10

I understand. There are some in the state that are approaching that age, but they're smaller counties. They should be museums rather than jails, but they still hang on. So it's just that balancing act that counties have to do, not just with jails, but everything else that y'all are responsible for. But jails, you're dealing with a very unique situation, and it's very challenging. And it's also one of the reasons why we encourage counties to pay attention to the type of jail beds that they build so that the operator, the sheriff's office, has what they need because that design is gonna drive operations and operations can ensure a safer and more secure facility throughout.

3:08:36Speaker 11

Okay. Thank you.

3:08:38 – 3:09:09Speaker 11

All right. I'm gonna final comments here, and, we'll we'll let the judge finish this out. But the medical mental health annex recommendation, I don't think we should be excluding that from the mix because it also touches another point that isn't included in the recommendation, but the JIA, right? And we've talked about double magistration a little bit. I think we need to talk about it more because we know it's an issue.

3:09:09 – 3:09:46Speaker 11

It's delaying the intake process, and we got to solve that. But a new medical mental health annex would provide the opportunity to rebuild the JIA with the scale and flow that it needs to be successful for both the city and the county. So I do still want to keep that in the mix of options as we go forward and think about things. I know Sash, the actual renovation of the buildings, we didn't get into the details there. That was something that was presented by Dan Currie as well with that SASH study.

3:09:46 – 3:10:32Speaker 11

It requires engagement with the state. I'll be honest, we didn't have the level of engagement I think that we needed or alignment on what our plan was in order to do that and go to the governor's office. I'm willing to do that, but we have to be aligned and have a plan that makes sense and and that we're committed to and behind. I talked to the Lubbock County judge about what they were doing out in Lubbock County. I talked to the Travis County judge, but we need to go deeper and make sure that this court's aligned if we're gonna go into the legislative session and make a big ask for renovation dollars, and and more importantly, not just the money to renovate the buildings, but in actual to be able to take control of those beds so we can utilize those beds.

3:10:32 – 3:11:15Speaker 11

Right? If not, they're a state asset, and you know, we're at the mercy of the state. Right? So we really wanna have control of the bets too. So it's a it's kind of a dual ask in the state legislature. So I think those are are two things we we probably need to talk more about. I know the sheriff has has made some suggestions on the the JIA, the dual magistration situation that we need to continue to dive deeper into. But I think we saw today there was a few things. If there are barriers that partners see, elevate those barriers. I don't think anybody up here was aware of the the situation at Applewhite.

3:11:15 – 3:11:44Speaker 11

Right? I'm sure there's other things maybe that you've talked about in the back of the the room here that we need to be aware of. We can't address things we're not aware of and that we aren't able to talk about. So I hope that if anything today, we've elevated the conversation, we've gained some awareness about what some of the challenges are, what some of the opportunities are. Shoot, I mean, I've been very active clearly in engaging with a lot of our partners.

3:11:45 – 3:12:16Speaker 11

You know, the points that were made about all the funding that we have for programmatic funding within behavioral health, public health, and that none of those dollars are in our current general budget. I mean, that was eye opening. And it creates a huge gap as we go forward and have a conversation about our long term finances. Maybe that's another conversation to have with UHS, right? How can we ask for support on that front to help fill that gap on the things that we think are priorities?

3:12:16 – 3:12:46Speaker 11

But I hope that as we go forward, again, I I wanna thank Judge and my colleagues for the willingness to have this conversation. I wanna thank all of our partners in the room, especially Jimmy, Ed, Eric, Brandon coming in from out of town, and others. This is gonna take a team effort. And we didn't solve anything today, but at least we started the conversation. I hope we continue that going forward because I think this is too big a problem for us to look past it. Thank you.

3:12:50 – 3:13:18Speaker 4

Yeah. Just we spent a lot of time on this, and we've talked a lot about a lot of stuff. And just to remind everyone, it's not just about numbers and stats and budget, but as the parent is still back there, Ed, thank you for reading that letter. I mean, I guess it was a shout out, Express News is here. But to know that people in jail are reading the Express News and that you're taking time to open your mail and or someone opened it for you and and and you're reading that.

3:13:18 – 3:13:42Speaker 4

And to remember that every mental health program, every school based program that I fought for, every diversion program, deflection program, every person in CHCS, every person sitting in jail right now is somebody's child, somebody's father, someone's sister. These are lives we're talking about. They're not just stats and numbers. Thank you.

3:13:43 – 3:14:03Speaker 1

I've been quiet while the commissioners have articulated their thoughts and positions on this. Obviously, there's some clear takeaways, but I don't wanna leave out there's one person that I believe is here, doctor Testa. Where you at? Come up forward. Thomas, stay right there. Thomas, tee up slide.

3:14:04Speaker 8

He might step down.

3:14:04Speaker 1

1314. Did doctor Testa step out?

3:14:07Speaker 8

He was here all morning.

3:14:08 – 3:14:20Speaker 4

Well, while y'all are finding doctor Testa, y'all been standing up for a long time. If y'all wanna sit down, sit down. If we wanna call you up, we can. If if you'd like to sit down.

3:14:21 – 3:14:52Speaker 1

So as we hopefully, doctor Tessa didn't leave, I I would would want his input. But the point being made, Thomas, and did we get the slides up? Thirteen, fourteen, which are the assessment recommendations. I want it noted for the record that these are studies that didn't get on a shelf and we forgot about them. The county has been actively participating and actively engaged in diversion and deflection.

3:14:52 – 3:15:38Speaker 1

As county judge, I work very closely with Thomas and the budget office and the manager's office in order to lend my expertise from the judicial system, having worked, although not albeit not in the criminal justice side, but obviously as local administrative judge and a former prosecutor in the district attorney's office. So Thomas, where I'm going with that is, if you did bring up those slides, it looks like most of all recommendations have been completed. Some are still in progress, and we've heard that they're actively engaged. We got the Applewhite issue put on the table, and I think that is something that I have given direction that we need to get those beds open. I expect a proposal so that we can get that done.

3:15:39 – 3:16:06Speaker 1

The reason why I wanted to talk to doctor Testa, apparently he's left, and and Thomas, I'm have to rely on you to let us know from the study, doctor Testa has identified the dual magistration, double magistration as an impediment, as an issue as to the process in regards to diversion deflection. Can you explain that as to why double magistration is such is a hindrance obstacle?

3:16:06 – 3:16:50Speaker 20

Yes, judge. Again, right now, for certain class c misdemeanors, if you're a San Antonio police officer, you're taking those individuals to Frio Street. And those individuals are going through their magistration process. That can take up to anywhere between six to eight hours before those individuals are transferred over to the sheriff's office and our intake center. During that time, the reason that's important and those inefficiencies there is during that time, if an individual is having a substance use, is suffering from substance use or or mental illness, that's time delayed before our team can really take a look at those individuals and hopefully divert them from those areas.

3:16:50 – 3:17:27Speaker 20

So it's really that time gap between receiving those individuals from the city over to the county where we can really invest in their care, and that that is one of the the systematic areas that we really need to improve on. Again, as many of our partners have have advocated for, that's the time where we should be really focusing on these individuals, whether it's diversion or deflection opportunity. So it's really that key area, Judge. It's time. It's those inefficiencies there in getting those certain individuals treatment.

3:17:28Speaker 1

Sometimes people will die as a result of that lack of attention. Correct?

3:17:34 – 3:17:58Speaker 1

Clearly heard today. So let let me put on record what I see as clear takeaways. It is clear that the issues of the jail population, the diversion and inflection that the county has been committed to is indeed complex and multifaceted. The solutions require extensive coordination and communication between internal and external stakeholders. And we've only touched a few of them.

3:17:58 – 3:18:35Speaker 1

There's the DA's office has has and the sheriff are also integrated parts of the puzzle. Today, the county has provided an important definition for diversion. That was the main thing I wanted this presentation to be is diversion and deflection or deflection diversion is an alternative to incarceration. Correct, Thomas? Correct. Or else we have started that conversation. Do we just do we need another jail? Do we need a bigger jail? And I think we've heard that the county has been very effective and those graphs let's go to the graphs. That's it is at number 11.

3:18:36Speaker 1

That but for your efforts, we see that we have made significant. And that is a big cost savings. Correct?

3:18:45 – 3:19:21Speaker 1

But we have ongoing programs that are being funded through the ARPA, through the opioid. And as just mister Rodriguez has pointed out, we're gonna have to figure out what return of investment we have and what we will continue to do. The commission's court, it is clear, in the last three years has made significant investments. So I don't want anybody in this community or in this courtroom to feel that the county has not made a commitment to deflection and diversion strategies. This shows the significant impact that we made diverting eligible people in alternatives incarceration.

3:19:21 – 3:19:53Speaker 1

Eric Epley's statement of the smart program, which I am committed to make sure we continue, I will bring that back. I'm gonna ask the county manager to get that on the next available agenda so that we can have a discussion there in order to help resolve whatever issues there are. I am familiar with it, and I am making my position known. We will continue that program because you heard that program has kept indeed people from being arrested. And without that program, I I know for a fact those people would have ended up in the criminal justice system.

3:19:54 – 3:20:21Speaker 1

So we invested in and promoted programs for deflection, which is diverting people from the jail pre arrest. Remember, pre arrest. A great example is a cider release program for eligible minor offenses. You heard mister Woods say, yeah, but you gotta be careful with cider release because as we know, that became a political issue of people not being held in the jail. So we have to be careful and cautious, especially in regards to public safety.

3:20:22 – 3:21:07Speaker 1

We know that without these efforts, the county would have been forced housing the thousand plus people. Our decisive investments in studying and addressing the problem prevented that scenario by helping more than a thousand people get diverted to the appropriate alternative to incarceration. In my experience as county judge, I see that deflection and diversion are as much about the process of identifying and routing eligible populations or the portal of diversion as it about outlets for diversion increasing capacity. In court, that's gonna cost us money, and we're gonna have to figure out where we put our money for the best return of investment. These outlets for diversion are community based supports.

3:21:07 – 3:21:53Speaker 1

That's why it is a public private partnership with our nonprofit community, our faith based community, and those people that are dedicated to the criminal justice system, and the advocates that and the people that are most affected. And we've heard those stories today of people that are most affected by our criminal justice system. We know that the issues are about subsequent recovery, mental health treatment, as well as support systems or wraparound services that mister Epley has identified, especially for individuals with intellectual and developmental disabilities, the IDD. We have people in our jail that are severely have severe mental health issues and are mentally ill, And they're in there because of the criminal justice system. We had a thorough discussion of the Applewhite dual diagnosis facility.

3:21:53 – 3:22:21Speaker 1

This is a good example of where we made an investment, a multimillion dollar investment where we invested to expand the capacity for mental health and substance use diversion. But we understood today it's about process. And because of the process, we can't get that thing online, and I've ordered the county manager and budget office fix it, figure it out. But this conversation is bigger than a discussion about facilities. Let me repeat.

3:22:21 – 3:22:49Speaker 1

This is bigger than a discussion on just facilities. There is no one building, no one program, there is no one shot silver bullet solution. This is a complicated multifaceted problem. It is gonna take collaboration of policy programs, facilities, which the county has been steadily investing in And a good discussion, commissioner Moody, about where do we go. And you have been very involved in that.

3:22:49 – 3:23:16Speaker 1

So I appreciate your dedication on trying to improve our criminal justice system. Above all, I believe that process and stakeholder coordination will make the biggest difference in improving diversion and deflection. If we build without doing this foundational alignment work, we will not get very far. So with all due respect to your analogy, you know what? We can keep those old vehicles with 200,000.

3:23:16 – 3:23:45Speaker 1

We just got to change the oil, change the tires, and make sure it runs, and those cars keep running, and so long we don't run them in the ground. And that's what we have to do because the effect is how it affects the people that are in our system. And that's been made very clear today. Obviously, dual magistrates is another perfect example. If we build a new facility, but we're working under separate magistration system by the city and the county, we lose key diversion opportunities, and you've explained why.

3:23:46 – 3:24:23Speaker 1

The city system is a duplication of services that can be corrected to assist with budget challenges, and I believe we are starting conversations at this time. And I appreciate sheriff Salazar in starting those conversations. We must come together to eliminate double magistration. The county has worked with the experts, with our community partners, with our studies, and we basically have brought all the experts to the table, so to speak, and we have much much more work to do. Near the start of my term, I started a public safety action committee with the city, which helped coordinate the necessary stakeholders.

3:24:24 – 3:25:00Speaker 1

I'm gonna reconvene that stakeholder committee in order to have these discussions in regards to where deflection and diversion and how do we make the process better. In the remainder of my term as county judge, I am committed to continue to lead the way on reforming and increasing coordination within our local criminal justice and community health systems. And I look forward to working with the judicial system. I've always recognized that our judges, especially on the criminal justice side, have worked very hard to move those cases. We have worked with the district attorney's office to provide the funding, the staffing to deal with the backlog.

3:25:00 – 3:25:32Speaker 1

And quite frankly, Commissioner Moody, you've always pointed out we still have a backlog. So we still have much, much work to do in order to provide an effective system. I want to appreciate the work of UHS because they stepped in to work with the GIA there, the magistration system, and we are continuing to look at how UHS can continue to provide support, and you are a very, very valuable partner. Thank you. I think we heard a discussion that we need some medication issues over at the Applewhite.

3:25:32 – 3:26:14Speaker 1

So I'm sure knowing my conversations with Banos, we're gonna get things fixed over there. So with that, I wanna leave with a note of optimism, with hope, and with the order to this court that we must continue to fix the system. It needs to be fixed. Thank you for everybody who's made this presentation available. Thank you for all that participated today. I thank the colleagues on this court for their participation and involvement and their input. Alright. I believe we're at the lunch hour. I'm gonna have I'm declaring a recess at this time. I know we still have citizen to be heard. I know we still have business to do. Let's take about a forty five minute break, guys. Right? I don't wanna eat. Yeah.

3:26:14 – 3:26:36Speaker 1

Let's let's let's and we and so court, let's take a recess and we'll come back and take there we go. Alright. Time is now 01:33PM. Court's back in session. We finished the time certain. Commissioner Rodriguez, you had something you wanted to bring up to the court's attention?

3:26:36Speaker 8

Oh, just when we get to item seven.

3:26:38 – 3:26:59Speaker 1

Item seven. Alright. So, court will take up agenda item six, filing for the record the following legal administrative documents directing criminal district attorney to take action if necessary, with, subsection a. Court takes note. Seven, approval of commissioner's court minutes for Tuesday, 04/14/2026.

3:26:59 – 3:27:22Speaker 8

Yes, judge. And I'd like to make a motion to approve the minutes with one amendment. There's a typographical error in the minutes on item number 43. The dollar amount should be $1,820,000 rather than $1,800,000. So I make that amendment and a motion to approve.

3:27:23 – 3:27:44Speaker 1

Motion by commissioner Rodriguez. Is there a second? Second. Second by commissioner Moody. With that stipulation of correction, all those in favor, signify by saying aye. Aye. Any opposed? Any abstention? Motion carries. We'll now go to agenda item number eight, citizens to be heard.

3:27:44 – 3:28:18Speaker 1

We will start with mister Keith Wilson. I will note for the record that I have one, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight. Additional speakers, I I will call them out. All have indicated on their note that they yield to Keith Wilson. So, Keith, if you'll just allow me. Kara Schneider, just wanna She make sure

3:28:18Speaker 22

had to leave, sir.

3:28:19 – 3:28:42Speaker 1

Alright. She had to leave and she's yield she has to leave. Yes, sir. Kristen Green. Are you yielding your time? Okay. Damian. Are you yielding your time? Got it. Gary Lockhart. Are you yielding your time? Gary Lockhart. Okay. You're yielding your time. Eric Bowden, you're yielding your time.

3:28:42 – 3:29:01Speaker 1

Okay. Fred Alvarado, yielding your okay. Well, let him know that I called his name, and he's noted that he's yielding his time. George Westfair. You're yielding your time? Yes. Thank you. And Catherine Smith Peter?

3:29:01Speaker 5

I yield my time.

3:29:02Speaker 1

Got it. Mister Keith Wilson, you have the floor.

3:29:06 – 3:29:25Speaker 33

Judge Sakai, commissioners, good morning good afternoon. My name is Keith Wilson. I'm a retired soldier. I'm the former director of Bear County's Department of Military and Veteran Services. I joined the county nearly four years ago, and I never imagined I'd be standing here like I am today.

3:29:26 – 3:30:12Speaker 33

I'm grateful to have friends, family, and community partners that join me today in support and solidarity. To all the employees and the deputies that made a point today to come to me and say hello and express support, thank you. I'm truly humbled by you each and every day, and you are the reason why I am here today. I come before you to raise concerns about this government as an institution. Public service only works when the public servants doing the work are valued.

3:30:13 – 3:30:38Speaker 33

When government employees are treated as expendable or silenced, the consequences are felt across the community. Services weaken and trust erodes. The very institution meant to serve the public begins to lose their way. I grew up in San Antonio, graduated from West Point. I served a career in the military.

3:30:40 – 3:31:29Speaker 33

I have literally spent my entire adult life in service to others. As a retired army officer, I had the privilege of leading soldiers for nearly three decades at varying levels of staff and command responsibilities. That experience reinforced one core belief, our people are our greatest resource. I brought that philosophy to the department, and it drove tangible results that directly benefited our community. We nearly doubled staffing, expanded services from two locations to 10, and created new initiatives for surviving spouses as well as our homeless, at risk, and justice involved veterans.

3:31:30 – 3:32:23Speaker 33

We also added new critical capabilities, including financial assistance and peer support programs for veterans and their families. Unfortunately, as of last week, both of those programs were recommended to not be renewed by the state's grant review board. This would be a significant loss of resources to our community that follows the apparent recent loss of grant funding for three of our courts: misdemeanor drug, felony drug, and prostitution. This pattern of lost grant funding and lost capabilities reflects a broader concern with managerial oversight and institutional continuity that ultimately harms the veterans and the residents who depend on these services. But my experience with the county also exposed something even more troubling.

3:32:24 – 3:33:59Speaker 33

Last summer, a number of my department staff had the trust and the confidence to bring forward concerns to me directly, an act of courage that should be recognized and protected. After elevating those concerns through appropriate county channels and specifically requesting an external investigation into them, I became the subject of a disputed performance improvement plan that significantly mischaracterized both my actions and my performance. The PIP asserted I was not present in my office during core business hours but failed to account for the operational reality of a department dependent upon community partnerships and serving the community across 10 locations where most client work occurred in the field, not at a central headquarters. A typical day for me often involved attending community events, resource fairs, meetings like the Military Transformation Task Force co chaired by Commissioner Moody or the Greater Chambers Military Advisory Council. I would routinely meet community partners like Broken Warriors Angels to walk through homeless encampments in places like Live Oak, Hill Country Village, Alamo Ranch, and the Far South Side just off Roosevelt Avenue, areas that the city of San Antonio and organizations like Haven for Hope and Sam Ministries do not regularly visit.

3:34:00 – 3:34:56Speaker 33

There, we encountered both veterans and nonveterans. Our team helped with connecting our veterans to critical resources, enrolling them in VA health care, and helping them file VA disability claims that in many cases resulted in literally life changing benefits. County Social Services provided additional assistance and resources to them and to the non veteran residents. At a time when Bexar County is experiencing never before seen growth and an increase in geographically dispersed homeless residents, particularly in suburban communities and unincorporated areas, the county has a greater responsibility than ever to address this escalating need. Tragically, the county instead has stopped all homeless outreach efforts at the moment of greatest need, leaving vulnerable residents without the outreach and the resource connections they once received.

3:34:57 – 3:35:55Speaker 33

My role required regular presence in the community to deliver expected results. Mandating a constant presence at a single headquarters where administrative support functions primarily occurred would have been inconsistent with the mission and the expectations given to me. Of note, not one of the individuals on my team that raised the initial concerns were based in that headquarters. The PIP also claimed I delegated responsibilities without oversight, yet neither I nor any of my leadership team were interviewed during that investigation to explain the systems that we had in place. When I formally requested clarification on the disputed PIP and raised good faith concerns that it could be retaliatory, my primary request was to have it rescinded and removed from my record so I could get back to serving veterans.

3:35:57 – 3:36:47Speaker 33

Bexar County then placed me on administrative leave and retained the law firm Caldwell, Clark, Finucci, Finlayson at a cost of up to $100,000 of public funds to investigate me. That investigation dramatically expanded well beyond the original PIP. It was likely directed by the same leadership I had identified in my concerns. What began as a legitimate request for clarification and concerns about potential retaliation was later reframed in the investigative findings as, quote, insubordination, end quote. This is precisely the kind of dynamic the EEOC exists to prevent, legitimate efforts to address possible retaliation being recast as misconduct.

3:36:48 – 3:37:48Speaker 33

Prior to all of this, I had no documented disciplinary actions or negative performance issues for more than three and a half years of my time with the county. Yet on 03/10/2026, while I was out of the state on previously approved PTO with just my nine year old daughter, this court made the decision to terminate my employment, apparently based in part on the findings of that external investigation. I was notified by the county via voicemail and text of my termination while I was out of the state with my daughter. I have serious reservations about how the investigation was conducted and, more importantly, how its findings were presented to this court. Notably, while versions of this report and its findings have been released to local media, I have still never received from the county a copy of the full report, any summary, or even the findings.

3:37:49 – 3:38:43Speaker 33

In fact, my open records request over a month ago for the complete document was forwarded to the Texas attorney general for ruling on exceptions with nothing being provided to me while the media received the findings. What I will share today is not an exhaustive rebuttal, but a snapshot of key omissions and missing context. First, they claim I disclosed confidential county records to a third party, quote, without authorization or valid legal basis, end quote. What they failed to mention is the third party was my personal attorney, included on a formal grievance that I made to the county manager to seek clarification and raise concerns of potential retaliation. This was a protected legal communication, not an independent or improper disclosure.

3:38:43 – 3:39:35Speaker 33

The report also seems to omit the fact that the same exact document with the same exact attachments with no redactments was emailed on the same day to the same third party by County Attorney Larry Roberson, demonstrating inconsistent application of confidentiality standards. And I was never asked about it. Second, the report claims that I engaged in inappropriate physical contact with an accounting employee. First and foremost, I have no idea what incident this is supposedly referring to. The report relies on intentionally ambiguous phrase inappropriate contact that, quote, could be interpreted as sexual in nature, end quote, supposedly stemming from some third party interpretation of my interaction with my date.

3:39:37 – 3:40:24Speaker 33

What is later described in the report as a public display of affection, this alleged event supposedly involved a personal relationship of mine. There was no formal complaint, no investigation, and no disciplinary action at the time of this alleged event supposedly involving me with a county employee reported by some third party. In fact, the allegation seems to only have surfaced during this external investigation after I raised my concerns about potential retaliation. And again, I was never asked about it. The report also references metadata on my county phone associated with an adult website.

3:40:24 – 3:41:20Speaker 33

The report presents us as inappropriate use. But what it actually refers to are old Internet bookmarks from a personal Google account saved years before I ever joined the county, one nearly ten years ago, that were automatically and unbeknownst to me downloaded to the phone when I logged into Chrome browser simply to access the password manager, like many county employees and possibly some of you have done. There is no evidence presented that I ever visited or even attempted to access these sites. Yet the way it is written states inappropriate use and suggests intentional misconduct and creates a far more serious and salacious impression than the provided facts supported. And again, I was never asked about it.

3:41:21 – 3:42:04Speaker 33

Another allegation suggested I violated administrative leave by holding a meeting with community partners to discuss county business. In reality, I met in a personal capacity with my friend Steven Price and leaders from the American GI Forum, both of who are here today, at their location to discuss their internal initiatives. During my three months on administrative leave, I volunteered with a number of community organizations. Frankly, I did not want to go crazy sitting in my house wondering what was going on. I always made it clear I could not and would not discuss county business, and I never did.

3:42:04 – 3:42:30Speaker 33

The one participant in that meeting who was interviewed by the law firm, Mr. Steven Price, confirmed with the law firm that I was not speaking on behalf of the county. Yet still, somehow, that made it into the findings as substantiated. And again, I was never asked about it. Finally, another item raised in the report regards contracting and gifted spaces.

3:42:30 – 3:43:23Speaker 33

I regularly touted the fact that we only paid for two of the 10 office locations and that the eight locations we occupied rent free were through memoranda of understanding with community partners. Many of the same locations were officially opened with ribbon cutting ceremonies in which several of you, as members of this court, personally participated and publicly supported. The report states that, quote, because these entities provided space at no contest, the arrangements constitute gifts which must be approved by the commissioner's court under county policy and Texas law. Accepting or executing these arrangements without proper authorization exceeded mister Wilson's individual authority and violated county policy. The report goes on to say that at least one MOU had been signed solely by me.

3:43:24 – 3:44:17Speaker 33

What the report fails to mention is that our department properly staffed these MOUs, and we received specific guidance from Larry Roberson's attorneys at Civil Division regarding what required commissioners' court approval and what I could execute administratively, and we followed that guidance. The report clearly omits the fact that my actions were coordinated with county legal guidance and were not unilateral decisions. Some of the MOUs were still in this staffing process when I was placed on administrative leave. These are only a few examples, and yet the same gaps and context appear throughout the report. I was not given the opportunity to respond to most of the allegations prior to the report being finalized, presented to you, and released to the media.

3:44:18 – 3:45:04Speaker 33

In fact, despite more than five hours that I sent I spent sitting with the lawyers at that law firm, I was only specifically asked about two of the allegations against me. Both of those were ultimately unsubstantiated. Now I ask you this. If any of the information I just provided is new to you, our elected officials, ask yourself if that is how you want to make decisions. What seems to be cherry picked information presented in a manipulative manner to drive someone else's predetermined desired outcome.

3:45:04 – 3:45:48Speaker 33

I would suggest this is not how government should function. What matters most is not any single allegation, but whether the process used to identify and evaluate them was fair, consistent and complete. In the end, what should have been recognized as employees demonstrating the courage to raise concerns and a leader's active response, leveraging county resources focused on addressing them, instead devolved into a process that shifted focus away from the original concerns and onto the individual, elevating them higher. But this is not even about one position or one person. It reflects a broader pattern that has been publicly documented.

3:45:50 – 3:46:30Speaker 33

A recent San Antonio Observer article attributes a statement to commissioner Calvert that includes, quote, retribution via dragging of feet, denial of resources, character assassination is standard practice in Bexar County, end quote. That comment is not an outlier. It aligns with a growing body of public reporting involving senior county leadership across multiple offices. These are not isolated headlines. Taken together, they suggest a deeper institutional problem at the highest of levels, one that spans departments, roles, and years.

3:46:31 – 3:47:21Speaker 33

A county culture that appears to prioritize bureaucracy and administrative process over the people, treating dedicated public servants as mere tools of implementation rather than the very resource that makes effective government possible. Environments where employees feel discouraged from raising concerns or where doing so invites retaliation ultimately undermine the very mission they are meant to serve. Leaders in turn become reluctant to take appropriate action for fear of their own professional survival. This is precisely why EEOC involvement matters. It reinforces the right and the necessity of employees raising legitimate concerns and leaders addressing them without fear.

3:47:22 – 3:47:43Speaker 33

Bexar County has an opportunity and a responsibility to address this. County employees are not just staff. They're members of the community. They're our neighbors, and they're your constituents. The county has already demonstrated a willingness to commit significant resources to external legal investigations and settlements.

3:47:43 – 3:48:49Speaker 33

That same willingness should now be applied more broadly to prevent these issues from happening in the first place. Instead of focusing resources narrowly, Bexar County should invest in an independent, system wide assessment of its workplace culture and practices. At the same time, the role of the county manager must evolve beyond a traditional administrative function focused primarily on managing bureaucracy, it should transition into a true leadership position, one grounded in robust experience actually leading people, strategic thinking and planning, and the proven ability to drive cross functional efforts across departments and external partners to address key county priorities. Ultimately, this leadership must be rooted in the simple but powerful philosophy that our people are our greatest resource. Only then can Bear County effectively address its most pressing challenges, growth, housing instability, homelessness, behavioral health, and infrastructure strain.

3:48:50 – 3:49:24Speaker 33

None of those operate in silos, and neither should we. Through a true whole of government model that aligns strategic priorities, coordinates cross department initiatives, and delivers measurable outcomes for our community. This is not about assigning blame. It's about demanding better. Other sectors, including manufacturing, often highlighted by this very court, have long recognized that investing in people leads to better outcomes, greater efficiency, and stronger performance.

3:49:25 – 3:49:56Speaker 33

Government should be no different. Bexar County has the talent, the mission, and the resources to lead. What it needs now is a true shift in leadership mindset from prioritizing bureaucracy to truly valuing people as its greatest resource. Because when we take care of those who serve, they are better able to serve us all. That is what this county needs, and that is what our community deserves.

3:49:57 – 3:50:20Speaker 33

While my fight is clearly not over, there remains an opportunity right now for this court to demand more from the institution that you lead for the benefit of the men and the women who show up every single day committed to serving others. Thank you for the opportunity to finally provide you my perspective.

3:50:28 – 3:50:53Speaker 1

Alright. The next speaker is Sergio Dickerson. But Sergio, you also have Paul Bernal and Steven Price. Both have indicated on their request to yield your time to Sergio. So let me call Paul Bernal. Are you here? Sir. You're yielding your time. Yes, sir. Steven Price, yielding your time. Mister Sergio Dickerson, the floor is yours.

3:50:55 – 3:51:27Speaker 34

Thank you, judge. Good afternoon, judge, commissioners, and distinguished members of the community. My name is Serge Dickerson. I am the president and CEO of the American GI Forum National Veterans Outreach Program. I'm here today to discuss the need in the community for a centralized place where veterans transitioning from service are offered resources that result in jobs, wellness services, disability, and many other critical resources that lead to the success and their stability.

3:51:28 – 3:51:55Speaker 34

When Mr. Keith Wilson was head of the Military and Veterans Service Center, we were building that transition center and that program. Since his sudden departure, that effort has ended. I've been in the veteran business here in San Antonio since 2015. But just for context, and prior my service with this community, I spent the better part of thirty years in the army, commanding at every level through brigade command.

3:51:56 – 3:52:43Speaker 34

The NVOP was involved with Mayor Ivey at the time and the community to try to end veteran homelessness, achieved functional zero, a metric used by HUD to describe a community that has had sufficient resources to deal with veteran homelessness. And at the time, it was a milestone achievement, and I felt we had changed the trajectory of veterans serving in our community. And I don't want to minimize this. It was a huge win, and it set in motion a movement that continues today with many homeless veteran lives changed for the better. At the time, veteran suicide was twenty two per day, and two wars were still going on in The Middle East.

3:52:44 – 3:53:32Speaker 34

Last year, post combat, that number was eighteen nationally, according to the VA's official website. I couldn't tell you what it is in San Antonio, but I really would like to know. Today, my organization alone houses almost 2,000 veterans a year throughout Texas, arguably one of the most of any single nonprofit organization in Texas. I spent $12,000,000 a year alone, mainly VA funding, but also state and private funding, putting veterans, mostly homeless and at risk, in homes. In that eleven years, that number has increased tenfold in my organization.

3:53:32 – 3:54:04Speaker 34

It started at 500,000. It is now 12,000,000. Ask me where we've come since then. So why aren't the numbers coming down significantly? After eleven years of studying this problem in San Antonio and the Bexar County area, it's due to an utter failure to transition veterans from military service to civilian service nationwide, but also here in the county and in the city.

3:54:06 – 3:54:44Speaker 34

What is the danger of continuing down this path? Let me tell you. For one, these results are an auditor's dream to argue, really, for the cutting of these funds. Eventually, that cut is coming. We've seen some of that already. I'm not suggesting that we ignore the immediate homeless crisis. I'm making a point that we cannot simply continue to react to homelessness. We need to prevent it altogether. We are failing to address the transitioning of veterans to our communities. Why?

3:54:44 – 3:55:28Speaker 34

Because we don't have a focal point for them to seek services. They often get lost in the myriad of literally hundreds of organizations, all well intended, including my own, to help them. The result, particularly for the younger veteran service members, e one three four, maybe two to four years in service, when they leave the military, I can tell you what they're considered by us, homeless. They were living in the barracks, now they're not. They did have a paycheck, now they don't, and they have no disability, at least six to ten months after they leave.

3:55:28 – 3:55:50Speaker 34

So they have nothing. That is the veteran that's coming into our communities. I'm not merely suggesting that this is a problem. I'm telling you it is. I've spoken to those veterans over the past eleven years.

3:55:52 – 3:56:37Speaker 34

I would ask everyone here to take some time and watch American Sons, a PBS documentary we supported that documents the trajectory of a proud, elite marine unit that lost more of its members after combat than they did in combat. And their losses in combat were pretty significant. And these are the elites of the military. Many veterans here today, including this soldier before you, have experienced the horrors of combat and have persevered because we have purpose and connection to this community. It is not just a VA problem alone.

3:56:38 – 3:57:37Speaker 34

Either it's a community problem it's a community problem because it involves citizens and families of this great community. To set these young warriors on the right course serves not only them, but the community itself. Veterans get better jobs, spend less time in expensive state and federal programs, and I am willing to bet my pension that it decreases suicide rates also. Not only that, but it's cheaper down the road because we're focusing on the end of the problem, not the beginning of it, before it becomes a problem, before they take the drugs, before they get in trouble with the law, before they lose their family and they get a divorce, before they lose their kids, before they commit suicide. Distinguished members, we need a centralized clearinghouse for veterans in Bexar County.

3:57:38 – 3:58:13Speaker 34

It will pay for itself, and it will be a model for the national effort to transition veterans. I am not here simply to point at the problem. My organization, the NVOP, is willing to lead that effort with Bexar County and set the example for the nation because it starts in a place like Military City, and then it expounds out to the country, and then the nation picks it up as their program. And that's how we get more funding. We are already doing this in a smaller extent with excellent success in Lackland Air Force Base.

3:58:14 – 3:58:36Speaker 34

To that point, no one we have helped that transition, no one in Bexar County has ended up homeless because we prevented it, and we spent far less money than we are now on those that are already homeless. It is time to lead this effort in Military City USA. Please help me to get this done. Thank you.

3:58:40Speaker 2

Judge, may I just ask a quick question?

3:58:45 – 3:59:04Speaker 2

Thank you, Judge. Mr. Cowan? Mr. You for your testimony coming down, very important. You've made a request to the court for support of the renovation of some buildings around San Pedro. Can you remind us what that cost request was to the court?

3:59:05 – 3:59:28Speaker 34

Yes, sir. So we have a facility right now in San Pedro that is three stories. It's 15,000 square feet. It's currently empty. We do have some folks using it right now because we didn't see that there was any movement on bringing the services to that facility, but we could always do that again.

3:59:28 – 4:00:08Speaker 34

We own the building. We could put those services in that building. We would need some funding to get it started and to lead that effort, but I think we could do that. I think we could also use the help of Bexar County to try to engage the local installations, because this is more than a VA problem, this is a DoD issue. And if we could get those veterans as they transition, then we could set the condition for those individuals to get set up in our community. And then we'd spend less money and time on those individuals, and they would be more successful in our community where it really counts than if we ignored the problem until they became a problem.

4:00:09Speaker 2

But what's that amount that you were requesting?

4:00:11 – 4:00:24Speaker 34

I I don't have that number right now, sir. But we we can discuss that at a later date. I didn't come prepared to talk finances at the time. But we own the building. So let's see, something less than buying a new building.

4:00:27Speaker 1

Okay. Thank you.

4:00:28Speaker 1

Arthur Rekowitz. Arthur Rekowitz. There you are.

4:00:47 – 4:01:27Speaker 30

Good afternoon, judge Sakai. Good afternoon, commissioners Flores, Moody, commissioners Rodriguez, commissioner Calvert. I wanna speak briefly about a fraud, waste, and abuse in the Bexar County elections. The state of Texas recognizes my address and I gave a map of showing the address because there's a lot of discussion about the the road in Bexar Southeast Bexar County does not exist. And I would like to redraw that that photo afterwards.

4:01:28 – 4:02:11Speaker 30

In Austin, I didn't get not get a the voter registration card. So I went to Austin and they said that my address is valid. So I came back to Bexar County and made my presentation to one of the clerks there, and she says that it doesn't matter about the voter registration. The voter registration card does matter because if you have a Texas driver license, you can move and it's invalid or have a military ID. And so it's invalid to have a cross validation.

4:02:15 – 4:03:05Speaker 30

With that being made, I finally got my voter registration card, from the Bexar County. The physical address of 12831EastPittmanRoad, reflects that, but the mailing address says 12831 Pittman Road. So they would not honor it or my presentation. So I gave them I said, you keep the voter registration card. I will not be voting this the coming elections because I will not participate in fraud and the violation of USC code and the voter registration violations in there.

4:03:05 – 4:03:37Speaker 30

And there's 20 people on that street, and I'm not only talking about myself. I do have other neighbors that I stand before the court. So all of those 20 individuals, my neighbors are involved in this. And judge Zakai, as you being the CEO of Bexar County, I think it's important. In following something something recently, I filed a report with Bexar County Sheriff on that incident.

4:03:37 – 4:03:56Speaker 30

It reflects 12831 East Pittman. Just day before yesterday, I filed another incident and the deputy, I asked to validate to looking at their computer in their cruiser and she said Commissioners,

4:03:56Speaker 3

the term has expired.

4:03:57 – 4:04:36Speaker 30

I'll be wrapping Go it ahead. But anyway, with that, when she arrived at at my home, come to find out that it reflected ease fitment. The difference is the county has used thousands of dollars to go ahead and facilitate the communications. If you don't use the Bexar County asset and uses a wireless device, that places the the safety of the deputy and the health of law enforcement. It's important to recognize this address because it is for the safety and the health.

4:04:36 – 4:05:04Speaker 30

I thank you for your time. I would like to speak a little bit more, but a friend of mine informed me once before, just come and talk in front of the court because I tried to address it with the staff and I haven't. When the president president presidents like commissioner Atkinson, I always got an open door to discuss the matter with it. Thank you for your

4:05:04 – 4:05:42Speaker 1

time. Alright. I believe that concludes the citizens to be heard. I believe we got through consent. There were no items pulled. So court, I'd like support person privilege to take up item 49. It is a matter that we had elicit executive. It's my understanding that we have an agreement. If not, please tell me that we need to take this executive. But is there any objections taking this up at this time? 49, discussion appropriate action regarding, and y'all can read subsection a and one and two.

4:05:42Speaker 4

Yes. We can read.

4:05:44 – 4:05:55Speaker 1

Alright. So at this time, is there a motion to approve? Or is there a present David?

4:06:02 – 4:06:13Speaker 4

I mean, think Randy's here. Right? And do you wanna just kind of review the things that we asked for and what the commitments are and then we can push it through quickly.

4:06:15 – 4:06:33Speaker 35

Okay. So we were asked to explore three options by the court. Is that what you're referring to? Okay. Off the top of my head, one of them was to explore affordable housing opportunities within the development being proposed and pledged by the developer.

4:06:34 – 4:07:18Speaker 35

The other was to explore the commitment of 100% of the, in aggregate, 15% assessment on properties as opposed to the 10% that was being allocated to repay the county. And finally was the agreement to pay an interest on the advanced $10,000,000 for which the county would receive, two parcels that could become one or two county parks, adjacent to the ballpark. And, basically, at that point, I left it up to your offices and the developer to discuss your thoughts about each of those.

4:07:24 – 4:08:21Speaker 35

I can be corrected if I'm wrong, but it's my understanding that the developer would concur to pay the interest cost on the advance funds, which we estimated to be a blend of six different, sources that that $10,000,000 would come from, just over 4% annually. I believe they're amenable to paying that. They can explain that they don't believe it's feasible to allocate to the county the entire 15, percent of the self assessment, but they would continue to pledge to allocate 10% of the 15% assessment to repay, that advance from the county. And I'll leave it up to them to discuss, the affordable housing component, but I believe they believe that would be challenging to the business model in the current environment.

4:08:23Speaker 8

Make just one quick comment.

4:08:24Speaker 1

Good. Commissioner Moody?

4:08:27 – 4:08:57Speaker 11

okay. Now I'm on. I mean, first of all, I appreciate their willingness to meet us there on the interest. I think that makes a lot of sense. And also, to the other point about the entire 15%, if we're getting paid a reasonable amount of interest, then having that money paid off sooner doesn't necessarily isn't the same driver it would be if we were not getting interest on that loan.

4:08:57 – 4:09:15Speaker 11

So, you know, I'm good with that as is with being able to get the concession on the interest rate. I appreciate them being able to be a good broker and work with us on this in good faith, And so I'm supportive of that.

4:09:17Speaker 1

Mister Rodriguez?

4:09:18 – 4:09:36Speaker 8

Yeah. I I would just ask Daniel or or Randy, please come up. I mean, I know we had a a lot of discussion on this in executive session. I am gonna be supportive. I think we landed in a a place where we can move the project forward.

4:09:37 – 4:10:10Speaker 8

But I think just important for the public discourse that we frame this the conversation. Obviously, we are here. This is on the Northwest corner of downtown, my precinct, but obviously downtown belongs to everybody. But part of the discussion on this transaction was, I guess, a little bit of a restructuring on the finance due to a little bit of a shortfall. The county is essentially loaning some money, but we're also getting public park space in exchange.

4:10:10 – 4:10:30Speaker 8

I don't want to mischaracterize this, but I just think it's important that we just try to simplify it for the public discussion. Randy, Daniel, am I missing anything on, I guess, just what David laid out or anything else that you wanted to add just again so so we can just put it out in in the public?

4:10:30 – 4:10:48Speaker 28

Sure. Thank you, commissioner. Daniel Ortiz here on behalf of the team. Randy Smith on behalf of the ownership is also here in case there are any follow-up questions. But in essence, the the funding that the county is allocating is already issued certificates of obligation, which essentially have strings on them.

4:10:48 – 4:11:41Speaker 28

They can only be spent on certain This will be one of those uses. So with today's amendment, friendly amendment, the county would be being paid back 100% of the principal, so the 10,000,000 along with the interest, and that money coming back has no strings on it. It comes into the general fund, so the county it's a smart smart business deal, if you will, but that's the core of the financial aspect of what's happening from the county end. I will add that before we even got here to try to solve for the issue, the team took out about $7,000,000 of expenses and put them on their of the ledger, if you will, so increasing their commitments. And then in addition, they're also adding yet another 5,000,000 on top of that for a park that would complement the stadium itself.

4:11:42 – 4:11:55Speaker 8

Right. So I just wanted to again, just as simply as we could put it out there. I know I know sometimes we get bogged down in the details on these. It's important. Randy, if you could just come up.

4:11:55 – 4:12:45Speaker 8

I know part of these long ongoing discussions for this vision, part of the ask I know was related to affordable housing. I know that as it relates to the footprint of the current development, its market rate, but I know you and your team have done other affordable housing projects, mixed use or mixed income, I. E, the Continental that we worked on through our PFC. I know this is not this kind of outside the scope of what we're talking about here. But I know in speaking with you and your team, you guys are also committed, particularly in the urban core, looking for other opportunities, hopefully where there's maybe some mixed income or affordable units.

4:12:45Speaker 8

Is that right?

4:12:46 – 4:13:19Speaker 11

Yes, Commissioner. Thank you. If I kind of take off my missions hat and put on my Western urban hat, I would just take this opportunity to say, working with the court and staff on the Continental to provide mixed income affordable housing in the core of downtown, and my team would echo this, is the project that we're most proud of. And so you are correct, within the footprint of the ballpark, the finance mechanism does not allow for that. But we have ample opportunity around that to continue working with the county to help deliver more of that. We'd love that.

4:13:19 – 4:13:44Speaker 8

Appreciate that. And I know in working with you and your team over the past couple of years, you guys are you stick to your words. So we appreciate your efforts. So I'm going to go ahead and make the motion, judge. I know we've got two different items here. One is the, I guess, the negotiation purchase of the linear park, which is item forty nine one. I'll make a motion to approve.

4:13:45Speaker 1

Motion by commissioner Rodriguez, second by commissioner Clay Flores. Any further discussion?

4:13:50Speaker 4

Yeah. Just comment.

4:13:52 – 4:14:05Speaker 4

So I wanna thank Randy and Daniel for being here. Randy, I think another thing you should be proud of is that beautiful sign on the side of the Frost Bank Center that says, goes first go. When it was I guess y'all stopped in between because of the rain.

4:14:05 – 4:14:33Speaker 4

I told Marcus that sign would say Ghost First Go, and I knew it. So that if y'all haven't seen it, you need to you need to go look at it. It's very nice. But thank you for continuing to work with us, for being willing to negotiate back and forth so that we can have even more benefit for our constituents. Of course, this is a project that passed initially with the three only three of us voted in favor of it. So I've been supportive all along, so I'm happy to support it again today. Thank you.

4:14:33Speaker 1

Any further comment? Commissioner Moody.

4:14:37 – 4:14:54Speaker 11

Sorry. Since we brought the the Spurs here. Exciting opportunities right now with the watch parties out at The Rock. I need to get with you, Daniel, about parking and and availability out there because the community is coming out in full force, and I'm sure they will be tonight as well.

4:14:56 – 4:15:40Speaker 1

Okay. Let me just say thank you to Daniel and Randy and the whole team. This baseball program and state new arena is a new paradigm shift for the downtown. We've had some hard negotiations, but I think we have an agreement, at least from the county perspective, that engages issues of housing and economic development and the ability to revitalize the downtown. And it's been my pleasure to lead this with the baseball ownership along with the city of San Antonio, and I thank the my colleagues for giving me the authority to sign off on all the agreements.

4:15:40 – 4:16:05Speaker 1

Obviously, it'll still have to be approved by counsel and the county manager's office to make sure all i's are dotted and t's are crossed, but I express my sincere appreciation for getting this. And, we still have much more work to do and look forward to working to the end of the year. Alright. I'll call for the vote. All those in favor, signify by saying aye. Aye. Any opposed? Any abstentions? Motion carries.

4:16:05 – 4:16:19Speaker 8

We also need a motion judge for forty nine two, which is the release of the Bexar County's portion of the Houston Street tours and the MOU and authorization for the county judge to execute any necessary documents.

4:16:19Speaker 1

Motion commissioner Rodriguez, second by commissioner Clay Flores. Any further discussion? Hearing none. All those in favor, signify by saying aye. Aye. Any opposed? Any abstention

4:16:27Speaker 4

Senator Joseph online. Is he still here? Is Commissioner Calvert still listening?

4:16:32Speaker 1

Commissioner Calvert?

4:16:33Speaker 2

I'm here. But what's the question?

4:16:35 – 4:16:52Speaker 1

All right. Calling for the vote. All those in favor, signify by saying aye. Aye. Any opposed? Any abstentions? Motion carries unanimously. Thank you. All right. Should we take up 53?

4:16:52 – 4:17:41Speaker 1

Is there no problem with 53? It's the related to the granting exception. We already approved the late file of item 53 a. Discussion. Appropriate action regarding approval and agreement with West Publishing, DBA Thomson Reuters for a subscription to West Proflex, which includes a Cold Council 400 v two and Westlaw All Analytical for 26 attorneys at at a cost of $2,284.03 per month with a 5% increase for year two and year three, and clear ProFlex proprietary law enforcement investigation solution at a cost of $233.42 per month with a 5% increase for year two and three.

4:17:42Speaker 17

Good afternoon, judge,

4:17:44 – 4:18:16Speaker 36

commissioners. Carrie Mallon, chief public defender. I'm here because we have the money in our budget to pay for this fiscal year. But because the contract as a whole is over $50,000, I need the court's approval. It's the same programs that were in place before I came on as chief public defender, same programs that the district attorney's office uses. It's our legal research for Westlaw and clears for our investigators to help find people.

4:18:16Speaker 1

Motion by commissioner Rainey, second by commissioner Rodriguez. Any further discussion?

4:18:20Speaker 6

I wanna make Yes. A

4:18:22Speaker 2

Point number.

4:18:23Speaker 1

Commissioner Calvert.

4:18:25 – 4:18:44Speaker 2

Thank you very much. David, I just was kind of caught off guard on the 50,000 threshold since we raised it in policy eight point zero a few months ago. So sensibly, this wouldn't have had to come before as an individual item. Correct?

4:18:45Speaker 36

I'm sorry, commissioner. I can't hear you.

4:18:49Speaker 2

was for David Smith or Oh, I'm I sorry. Can't see who's there from the county manager's office or purchasing.

4:18:56Speaker 22

How you doing?

4:18:58Speaker 2

Oh, okay. We had raised the threshold for what comes before the court in changing policy eight point o a few months ago.

4:19:06Speaker 8

That's correct, commissioner. We we raised the threshold up to 100,000 prior to meeting court approval.

4:19:16Speaker 2

Right. So this is under that threshold. Correct?

4:19:19Speaker 35

What what would the total be?

4:19:28Speaker 36

I'm not sure what the total was. It was over 50, but less than 100,000 for sure.

4:19:33 – 4:19:53Speaker 2

Yeah. So this might just be an error of the old way that you got caught. You might have been making the request prior to the change, and it just was kind of remnant of that past. But in any event, I didn't I just wanted to make sure that you all were aware of that change. Thank you, judge.

4:19:53Speaker 32

It's a multi year agreement.

4:19:58 – 4:20:13Speaker 35

Yeah. It was a late filed item and it involved more than one one year purchase. So those are two different reasons. One, that it would be on the agenda in the first place, and the second why it's on individuals because of the late filed nature.

4:20:14Speaker 2

Okay. Yes. Multi year sense. Okay. Thank you.

4:20:18 – 4:20:45Speaker 4

Alright. I just wanted to comment in regards to Carrie and the public defender's office. You were here during the whole diversion discussion this morning and it just went on very long. So I didn't acknowledge you. So I just want to acknowledge the work that you and your team do because you too are part of of the success, even though we still have work to do. So I just want technology. So thank you.

4:20:45Speaker 36

Thank you, commissioner. I appreciate that.

4:20:47Speaker 1

Alright. Call for a vote. All those in favor of the motion, signify by saying aye. Aye. Any opposed? Any abstentions? Motion unanimously carries. Thank you. Thank you. Alright.

4:20:56 – 4:21:41Speaker 1

Let's go back to the very front of individual item 47. Presentation discussion appropriate action regarding authorization of Bexar County judge Peter Sakai execute execute a proposed agreement on behalf of commission court related to a domestic violence system evaluation with University of Texas Health Science Center at Houston in partnership with a nonprofit, Caminar Latino, with a two year term in amount not to exceed 744,000 subject to the attorney representing the county approving the agreement's terms and conditions, direction to staff to place execute agreement on the next available commission's court agenda following the execution for acknowledgment and record record filing purposes. A budget transfer is included. Doctor. Goodeva.

4:21:41 – 4:22:15Speaker 5

Hi. Good afternoon, court. I am Doctor. Andrea Guerrero. I'm the director of public health, and we are here to offer, or ask for recommendation to authorize county judge to execute a contract. We can go over the recommended motion at the end. So a little history on this project. This domestic violence evaluation research study was originally approved or recommended through ARPA funding. So the original amount budgeted through ARPA was $750,000 back in 2022. And we did have a recommended entity that we were negotiating with.

4:22:15 – 4:22:54Speaker 5

We were unable to come to terms with that entity relative to some specifics of an ARPA agreement. And so we weren't able to move forward with that entity. But acknowledging that we still needed an evaluation of this sort, and the value that it will bring to Bexar County and to people who are involved in domestic and family violence, we set out to find another contractor, another vendor to work with. As we were building the STAR program that's been in process for the almost two years now in July, we'll be celebrating it. We worked with a lot of our folks and partners all over the state, but a lot with Harris County.

4:22:54 – 4:23:43Speaker 5

And as we were working with Harris County, one of our biggest questions was how are you doing evaluation? How are you evaluating not only just your but that of your partners? And in that in those conversations, we met doctor Lila Wood, who has been one of their primary evaluators over the last several years, and started talking to her once commissioners in December said, you know, you can negotiate with someone else and find who that is. And so we identified Doctor. Leila Wood and have been working with the ADA and with purchasing to confirm that an ILA would be the most appropriate document because doctor Lila would and then again, we added doctor Alexander Testa to the evaluation team, both our faculty, the UT Health Houston School of Public Health.

4:23:44 – 4:24:52Speaker 5

So the purpose of the evaluation after we've started working with doctor Wood and doctor Testa, doctor Wood being an expert in domestic violence and doctor Testa being an expert in criminal justice and especially with the Bexar County criminal justice system, and they have worked together as research partners. And so between the two of them, and then also with the addition of another researcher, evaluator named Doctor. Josephine Serata, who works with an organization called Communar Latina, that the the addition of doctor Serata would ensure that we are focusing on culturally responsive evaluation as well as process evaluation. Her specialty, and she's a nationally renowned evaluator in the area of culturally responsive evaluation to incur ensure linguistic appropriateness, talking to folks in the appropriate language and with the context of culture and everything else that that is involved to ensure that our results are valid. The goal of the evaluation is to assess the current system response across public health, criminal justice, social service, and community groups.

4:24:52 – 4:25:52Speaker 5

Primarily, we're really focusing as you know, the the core services that are provided by Bexar County, which starts with law enforcement, but then also SAPD because they are responsible for a number of the cases that get brought into the system. So beginning with law enforcement involving our star program, but also the Family Justice Center, civil and criminal courts, the DA's office, Texas Legal Aid. So a number of stakeholders that are part of the continuum of care that a survivor has to interact with as they go through the system, But then also programs that are adjacent to our system that aren't necessarily operated by the county, like family prevention, better women's shelter, the peace initiative, and other support, usually survivor services. But if they have an impact on the experience of a person going through our system, they would also be involved in this evaluation. So the idea is to identify our needs at gaps, and then develop recommendations, know, develop findings and then recommendations for how we can improve systems.

4:25:52 – 4:26:44Speaker 5

And I really appreciate the discussion we had this morning around Meadows and around the GIEA evaluation study because it was able to demonstrate that these are evaluations and studies that don't just get put on the shelf, that they are actionable recommendations that we can put into process and also create lasting impact. So some of the stakeholders that we've identified so far, law enforcement, primarily BCSO and SAPD. There could be other jurisdictions once we get into the data collection. If law enforcement jurisdiction has a significant impact, some of the larger ones, then they would also be included. Criminal justice system, the DA's office, courts, magistration, victim advocates on the civil side, those that deal with protective orders, courts, family violence prevention program, family justice center survivor services, and all of the programs that are housed there.

4:26:45 – 4:27:16Speaker 5

The health department programs, which would include our County STAR program, but then also Metro Health Violence Prevention, which is similar to our STAR program. Supervision, pretrial services, folks who are adult probation, and then folks that are in the jail who might be helping us with some data collection. And then like I mentioned, nonprofit partners, specifically Women's Shelter Peace Initiative, Texas Legal Aid. So it's a four phase project over two years. The first phase primarily focused on and doctor Testa's here.

4:27:17 – 4:27:53Speaker 5

He came back in case there's any questions. But and doctor Wood is watching via the livestream. But the first phase, which is in phase in in year one would be primary data collection, making sure we're collecting data from Odyssey, document and policy review, and site visits. So look at all of the the entities that I just mentioned, looking at their SOPs, and how how are you observing how the process works, but then based on their policy review, is it working in the same way that they said that it would? Phase two is going to be primarily focused on survivor focus groups, at least six.

4:27:53 – 4:28:30Speaker 5

And those would be recruited from any number of organizations and stakeholders, but those would be people who had had either been involved in domestic violence or family violence or are currently involved in it. So it could be somebody with an existing case or, someone who has previously experienced in the past. And also key informant interviews. So people who are involved in the system who can provide specific insight about how that entity or stakeholder entity or organization works. Could be any of you who have insight to offer about the system or, you know, Jarvis Anderson or Patricio Castillo and those folks.

4:28:30 – 4:29:13Speaker 5

So key informant interviews. And because this is an iterative process, what we learn or what the researchers learn from the first phase will be incorporated into or used to create the interview questions for those survivor groups and for the key informant interviews. And then the qualitative data that is collected during phase two will be used to create phase three, survivor surveys where we significantly increase our our sample size up to at least 400 so that we're essentially validating what we've learned through the qualitative data collection. Then there'll be a secondary data review and analysis. And in phase three, we're also going to incorporate two other things, one's not on here, but incorporating those who do harm.

4:29:14 – 4:29:58Speaker 5

So perpetrator focus groups, people who have chosen or the choices that they've made have resulted in harm to somebody else or have resulted in a domestic violence case or an intimate partner violence case. And to actually have focus groups that collect their perspectives. And that's important because primarily a lot of survivor services and what our system does right now is to focus on making sure that a survivor is safe. That they are empowered, that they receive resources, that they are confident that they can leave a situation with safety. But unless we understand the perspectives and the choices that are made by somebody who does harm, then that person is free to move on and harm someone else.

4:29:58 – 4:30:28Speaker 5

And so really wanna make sure we incorporate that perspective so that we get a primary prevention and not just from a punitive perspective, like did they go to jail? What kind of sentence did they but what does real accountability look like? And that's part of our evaluation questions. How do we hold someone accountable so that it creates real behavior change so that we're really moving the needle to decrease family violence in Bexar County. So and then also in phase three, and it's not on this slide, we've asked the researchers to look at a cost analysis of the typical case.

4:30:28 – 4:31:07Speaker 5

We've heard from our our counterparts in Harris County, and I don't know what their methodology was to calculate this, that it cost $17,000,000 to prosecute a domestic violence homicide. And that's all of the costs that are associated with staffing and jail and law enforcement. And we would like to understand what is the real cost of family violence in Bexar County. And so the data collection will be basically a value costing to look at all of the departments based on some budget data. How much does it cost to run the START program or to to prosecute or to grant a protective order, to prosecute a family violence case.

4:31:07 – 4:31:43Speaker 5

And then create some some costing models to actually show what the impact, the financial impact of that is, just so that this court can have that insight as you move forward and make policy about funding. So then after phase three, sometimes what happens with evaluations is we we finish all of these, we do the focus groups, then they have some findings, some some conclusions, and then they make recommendations. But then unless you go back to the folks whose data you have collected and say, does this make sense? Are these conclusions reasonable? Are these recommendations feasible?

4:31:43 – 4:32:10Speaker 5

Then sometimes you will get a study that sits on the shelf. It's not actionable. So phase four would be going back to those who have participated in creating some additional survivor interviews and key informant focus groups to go back and basically do some member checking and validation to say, does this make sense? Is this a doable plan? Because we all know just just because it sort of seems that way at the end of data collection doesn't necessarily mean it can be actionable.

4:32:10 – 4:32:59Speaker 5

So that is how we wrap up phase four. Again, the goals are to evaluate how the criminal justice system identifies, responds to, and holds actors accountable, so those who do harm, How well the system responds and supports survivors and their families. Assessing coordination and collaboration, how are we communicating and working together between different departments, whether it's public health and the Office of Criminal Justice, or the Family Justice Center, or the DA's office. But every part of the continuum that's involved in addressing domestic violence, assessing those costs, identifying weaknesses and gaps, evaluating preventative efforts within support services, not just at Bexar County, but within our partner relationships, and then recommending those improvements. This is the budget.

4:32:59 – 4:33:37Speaker 5

So going from two years, we have most of most of the cost is in personnel, and a little bit of travel. We are including incentives and transcriptions for those who incentives for those who participate in the form of an HEB gift card for for their participation. And transcription services, there's gonna be a lot of qualitative data that's collected, and so transcription services is expensive. Caminar Latino, which is the the third evaluator, and then other consultants that where we might need some subject matter expertise, some indirect. And so our total over two years will be 711,462.

4:33:37 – 4:34:04Speaker 5

And again, this was originally budgeted out of ARPA funds that were converted a couple years ago. So next steps. So the what we're doing right now is briefing key stakeholders. We've briefed your offices. But what we didn't what we wanted to avoid was executing a contract with a scope that's set in stone without speaking to a lot of these stakeholders personally and saying, here number one, are you willing?

4:34:04 – 4:34:35Speaker 5

Do we have buy in from your organization like the DA's office and like SAPD in the city to say here's the type of data we need from you, here's how your participation will look, and to make sure that we have all of those things pretty well solid before we execute a contract. I don't want to lock anybody into participation if it's not possible, or if they're not willing. So we're doing that right now. We've met with many of the entities and the stakeholders that I already described. So that's gonna be That's happening as we speak.

4:34:35 – 4:34:59Speaker 5

And so the recommendation or recommended motion is to author authorize the county judge to execute. So as soon as soon as we're able to wrap up all of that prep work, put the scope into a contract working with the DA's office, and and make sure that it comes to court as soon as possible. So this would be to authorize the judge to execute that, and then we would bring that back as a final step for this court to approve.

4:35:01 – 4:35:33Speaker 11

Second. Two years. Obviously, we know this is an issue that we need to deal with. But two years and and the total cost of the project. I'm just not sure. Maybe county staff can tell me, have we ever had a study at this price point?

4:35:39Speaker 5

You left again. I was going to say what

4:35:41Speaker 35

Not of domestic violence, but I'm pretty sure we spent that much on consultants on any number. The

4:35:51 – 4:36:26Speaker 5

long timeline is because of the scope of the entities involved. This is not just one program or just one evaluation of just the GIA. It's a very contained, closed area. This is moving across multiple systems, across multiple bureaucracies. And we're not aware, and in talking with Doctor. Wood and Doctor. Testa, that this has ever really, it's very ambitious, but that this has ever been done in Texas, or maybe ever. So yes, it is a long timeline, but I do feel like it will add value, and it will yield improvements to the system that we currently have.

4:36:27Speaker 11

Okay. And so you have two project managers. Is that correct?

4:36:32Speaker 5

Two researchers, which are

4:36:36Speaker 11

Well, they're listed as project managers here in your file.

4:36:39 – 4:36:59Speaker 5

Oh, in the budget, yes. I mean, there are staff associated with the two research teams, or the two researchers that are part of their team. So yes, this is us contracting with Doctor. Wood and Doctor. Testa, and then telling us this is what we would need to accomplish these goals. So these are not employees at Bexar County. These are the research team that we would contract with.

4:36:59Speaker 11

Okay. And the survey, how long is the survey? Or is that designed yet? Do have an expected length?

4:37:06 – 4:37:24Speaker 5

It depends. I mean, we would design the survey in a way that would be efficient for someone to participate. Obviously, we know the population that we're working with, and we want to make sure that we have a good return. But the survey would depend on the data collection that happens during phase one and phase two.

4:37:25 – 4:37:45Speaker 11

And I'm just looking at the budget. It looks like there's a $50 reimbursement for the survey, which seems really high. I've I've done surveys before. Actually, we're working on one with UTSA, but it's typically like 5 or $10. So, I didn't know if the survey's extensive and multi hour or what's

4:37:45Speaker 4

driving the high price point.

4:37:46 – 4:37:58Speaker 5

No. But I mean, we we value people's participation. We wanna make sure that incentives match that. But no, we don't have the survey created yet. But like I said, it's an iterative process that will be developed as we go through phases one and phase two.

4:37:59 – 4:38:13Speaker 11

Okay. I would just caution against that kind of reimbursement because you may see the wrong people participate just out of desire for the reimbursement rather than necessarily caring about the issue.

4:38:13 – 4:38:35Speaker 5

Well, it wouldn't it wouldn't be just a blanket call for participation. These would be people who we've identified as endure have having had endured some level of family or domestic violence. So, I mean, there's already gonna be selection bias in that they've had that experience, but I it's it wouldn't be just an open call to the public to say, would you like to participate in this? These would be recruited from our partner organizations.

4:38:39 – 4:38:54Speaker 11

And you said this was ARPA funds that have been reallocated, but they originally came from ARPA. Correct? Okay. No further questions.

4:38:54Speaker 1

Any other questions or comments? Is there a motion?

4:39:01Speaker 5

You had a motion.

4:39:01Speaker 1

Alright. Is there a motion and a second? Alright. All those in favor signify by saying aye. Aye. Any opposed? Any abstention? Motion carries. Alright.

4:39:13 – 4:39:25Speaker 1

Agenda item 48, presentation discussion appropriate action regarding f y twenty six twenty seven, f y 3031 long range financial forecast for the general fund and to debt service fund. Miss Gaytan.

4:39:26 – 4:39:43Speaker 37

Thank you, judge. Good afternoon. My name is Tanya Gaytan, budget and finance director. Today, I'll be presenting, an update for the court on our long range financial forecast, specifically for our general fund. As you may know, we are in, the process, for next fiscal year.

4:39:43 – 4:40:21Speaker 37

Offices and departments are currently developing their request for next year, which will be due next week. And so what we wanted to do today is to present, the financial stability of the general fund using our long range financial forecast to give you an update and some information that we received from the bear appraisal district on our first preliminary reports. Today, we're not asking for any action. This is just simply information for the court and for office and department departments as well as for the public. So as I mentioned on property taxes, we normally receive our first appraisal report at the end of April, which we received yesterday.

4:40:22 – 4:41:00Speaker 37

Then we'll receive our final report in July from the Bear Appraisal District. The budget office did receive it, and below is the information that we received from them. So as you can see here, one of the first things that I want to point out is all of this data that you're showing in the table are from all of the April reports, so it's the same time frame as previous years as the one that we received this week. As you can see, past years, starting in the first report, we had a growth of about 14% all the way down to 5%. And this year, we're actually starting much lower than previous years at just under 1%.

4:41:01Speaker 37

And I would like to point out that we still do not know the outcome of protests and how many people will apply for protests, so that's still an unknown.

4:41:09 – 4:41:54Speaker 35

So, Tanya, let me jump in here real quick. So just to reset, what we're doing here is giving you a quick snapshot, look ahead, much earlier than we've normally done this for previous budget processes. We and I wanna thank the budget office staff because we just yesterday received the first report from the appraisal district on next budget's appraised property values. That was yesterday. Now we've been we had a heads up last year that property values were not increasing as fast as they had been historically.

4:41:55 – 4:42:38Speaker 35

So we were sort of primed to be ready in case this happened. But if we could pull up that slide again, what Tanya's slide is showing you is that our year over year growth in property assessed values, including new construction, has declined in a period of a few years from double digit growth to barely any growth at all. The last time we have seen numbers this low, I don't think judge Sakai, you were in the county, but you weren't on commissioner's court. I was here. It was right after the financial crash of two thousand eight.

4:42:41 – 4:43:30Speaker 35

We are looking at that level of property tax decline slash no growth, which is highly unusual. It had it not been for the 6,600,000,000 in new construction, you'd be looking at a decline overall of several percent or at least 1%. But as Tanya pointed out, the appraisal district doesn't even yet know how much of this value will be protested. Those losses won't be known in full until July. If they run anywhere like they have historically run, you could be looking at something in the neighborhood of $6,000,000,000, maybe more of loss to protest.

4:43:30 – 4:44:15Speaker 35

If that happens, essentially, you're looking at a decline in overall assessed values, which we didn't even it I would say it would be greater than what we saw after the housing crash. So this is not normal. This is very different budget environment we're about to walk into and it's gonna require very different measures to stabilize the budget, which Tanya will get into. But again, thanks to Tina, Tanya and the budget team for being able to get this to you as early as we have. So we've got as much time as possible as accounting to try and make sure that we can mitigate any potential negative impacts. So thanks.

4:44:15Speaker 2

So David, is this as a result of the new appraisal elected board?

4:44:20 – 4:44:53Speaker 35

I can't pinpoint it to any one thing. Like I said, a number of things have changed. We had a board that's largely elected now. I really don't know if that's changed the pattern of protests and any of that. We've seen a decline in we've seen an increase, I believe, in the amount of protest and the the success of those protests over years.

4:44:54 – 4:45:45Speaker 35

And Oh, that's right. And as Tanya will get into, the legislature in the last session passed some new business related exemptions that are impacting this upcoming year. And finally, I'll just point out that data both locally and nationally suggest a pretty dramatic slowdown in new housing construction sales that is probably impacting us as well. I can tell you just anecdotally from driving through areas where you ought, I can see many new subdivisions that have been platted, bulldozed, gotten ready and the rate of new houses going into those subdivisions is surprisingly slow. But that's just anecdotal on my part.

4:45:51 – 4:46:38Speaker 37

Moving on to, the impacts, as the county manager mentioned, one factor is the result of lower property values in addition to $9,000,000,000 in additional exemptions compared to last year. This includes new exemptions that were approved by the legislative board, and the number of properties with those exemptions increased by 50,000 properties compared to last year. This April, again, does not include protests, and as the county manager mentioned, in the last couple of years, protests have increased. As an example, last year, $97,000,000,000 was protested, initially in May, which is the due date for protests. And over the last two years, the county has lost about six to seven billion dollars in those protests by by the final report in July.

4:46:38 – 4:47:06Speaker 37

So we are making the same assumption of that loss. It could be more. It could be less for this upcoming budget process. So how does that impact our revenue? So last court, our last proposed budget, when we presented our long range financial forecast to the court and to the public, we had a growth of 2.7% to 3.4% on our five year forecast, which was through 2030 at the time.

4:47:06 – 4:47:34Speaker 37

Since we received this new information, we are now assuming with a $6,000,000,000 loss based on the April report, we are assuming that we will actually lose just under 2% in property values, which equates to the revenue in the general fund. And as you're aware, the general fund, about 80% of that is carried by property taxes. We then updated very modestly for the rest of the forecast, to flat revenue, 1%, and then 2% thereafter.

4:47:36 – 4:48:02Speaker 35

Real quick, just if you can go back, that negative 1.7, if that ends up happening, will exceed what we actually experienced in our worst year after the housing crash by quite a bit. This would be the worst year for property tax revenue that we've seen, well, certainly since I've seen, and that's going on 30 budgets now.

4:48:06 – 4:48:50Speaker 37

As I mentioned, when we presented the long range finance financial forecast, we were projecting that by fiscal year twenty twenty nine that we will be in a deficit of about $28,000,000 in the general fund. Now with those updated percentages and growth percentages for the long range financial forecast, are projecting in the same year to be increased by $245,000,000. So this is significantly higher. This is based off our second quarter estimates as well as, like I mentioned, our new growth projections. So as David mentioned, initially when we had the housing crisis, we had to do some pretty quick mitigation, actions during that time.

4:48:50 – 4:49:37Speaker 37

And here are some of the, actions that the court took at the time, which includes no cost of living adjustments, freezing vacant civilian positions, no new program changes or capital projects, as you know that the tax rate also impacts our debt forecast, Also adjusting our health insurance plans for employees. So these are just some ideas. Again, we're not asking for any action, but these are the things that we'll be looking at for the upcoming process for fiscal year twenty seven. So again, this will not be a normal budget process. The last couple of years have been pretty significant growth, based off of our property taxes, so we were able to, grow new programs, program changes, offer cost of living adjustments to employees.

4:49:37 – 4:50:16Speaker 37

But this year, we will be looking at scaling that back. Mitigation is absolutely necessary this year. Again, we're okay over the next two years, but what we're trying to prevent is actual cuts to existing programs by fiscal year twenty ninth. So we wanna recommend to do mitigation actions right now. The budget office will continue to monitor. We receive those appraisal reports on a monthly basis at the end of each month. It's typically the last Friday of each month. And so we'll continue to update the court as we receive those reports to see how, our projections are being impacted by those. And if you have any questions, I'm available for you.

4:50:19 – 4:50:43Speaker 35

I'm sorry. Just one other thing I wanted to point out. By taking quick action in prior in a few we've had a few tough budget years over the past few decades. I mean, COVID itself wasn't a great event for property taxes either. And then post nine eleven, there was some decline in ad valorem growth as well.

4:50:43 – 4:51:14Speaker 35

But by taking quick action, in the past, we've been able to avoid more drastic steps such as forced reductions in force, I. E. Across the board percentage staffing cuts. We've never had to do that yet. But this if these forecast numbers hold without any other mitigation, I can't predict what menu of actions would be needed.

4:51:14 – 4:51:44Speaker 35

Part of what we'll have to do in the upcoming intervening couple of months is come to you with assessment of, okay, how much would we save by freezing vacancies? How much would we save by not having a cost of living adjustment? So you can begin to see the order of magnitude of those kind of steps. But we just wanted to get in front of you and the rest of the county and let you know right now this will not be steady as she goes kind of budget this upcoming year.

4:51:47 – 4:52:11Speaker 11

Tanya, if we go back to Slide seven, just help me understand the funds available because I'm thinking about, you know, we're depleting any kind of reserves for a period of time. But, you know, unless we believe that long term appraisals are gonna continue negative, why does the line continue down? I guess, the orange line, funds available.

4:52:11 – 4:52:29Speaker 37

So that's due to expenses. So as, David mentioned, if we continue at the rate of growth, and continue our recurring costs, our our revenues are below our funds available. So we are, like you said, are depleting our carry forward balance each year.

4:52:29 – 4:52:54Speaker 35

So a couple of things happen, commissioner. When we do a forecast, we typically don't assume COLA, but we know you're gonna do it, but we don't necessarily assume that. But there are certain costs that are just built in and you can cut them, but we don't assume you're you've done that. You haven't given us direction. So if I'll make something up.

4:52:54 – 4:53:35Speaker 35

If the cost of gasoline has been going up over the past five years by 2% a year, we would often assume it continues to go up by 2% a year. And it's so on our baselines, we'll use historical increases to guide our estimate for the next five years. But what this graph really shows is a couple of things. This court has, in my opinion, wisely built up a pretty significant operating reserve in the general fund over the past few years. That is actually what's buying you that twelve to twenty four months of cushion.

4:53:36 – 4:54:15Speaker 35

But if you make no changes, that cushion is gone. And the real bottom line is this, Our recurring revenues and recurring expenditures are not in balance. So we're spend but because we've had this cushion, that hasn't been a crisis, that hasn't been something that had to be addressed. And it was generally a small and it was only out of balance by a small enough amount that that could easily be made up by a percent higher in property tax growth in the following year. Unfortunately, that's not what's happening.

4:54:16 – 4:54:36Speaker 35

So if you don't make corrections on the there's very little you can do other than raise taxes to affect the revenue side. We don't assume you're increasing the taxes in this forecast. What you do control to some degree is the cost side. But again, the forecast just looks at your five year history.

4:54:36 – 4:54:52Speaker 11

Yeah. I think think I understand. Right? The funds required incorporates those continued increases in cost, cost of doing business, cost to serve the county. I think a big question mark that remains in there is, again, which of these ARPA programs?

4:54:52 – 4:55:24Speaker 11

I mean, hey, we were talking about this morning all the stuff services around mental health that are going away, and how will that Which ones will be funded in the future, and how will they be funded? I think is a big question into the the funds required line. But the funds available, I think in my mind, ultimately, there's the buffer that's being whittled down, but then we can't continue to operate at a deficit. Right? So ultimately, that that funds required would have to dramatically shift down or funds available would have to

4:55:24Speaker 9

come up? So if

4:55:25Speaker 35

you think about your checking account, your home budget, it's really not that different just in scale and complexity.

4:55:32 – 4:56:05Speaker 35

If you make $5,000 a month and you start the you start the month of May with a thousand dollars in your checking account, theoretically, you could spend up to $6,000 in May and you'd you'd still be okay. The problem is you only take in 5,000 a month. So that means in June, if you continue that pattern, you start with zero in the bank, spend 6,000, now you're in deficit of by a thousand.

4:56:06Speaker 35

With a lot more zeros, that's a sort of what we're seeing here.

4:56:10 – 4:56:39Speaker 11

Yeah. And you know, this is why we talked a lot about legacy costs and we also talked about overriding staff recommendations when it came to cost of living last year and going above and beyond because those are additive costs and they're cumulative, and they continue to add year after year after year. So we need to be mindful of that, and I appreciate the presentation. I I think this is great information that needs to be digested and understood as we kind of go forward with the budget

4:56:39Speaker 9

process. Anything else?

4:56:45Speaker 1

Commissioner Calvert, you still with us? Okay. Thank you, Tanya.

4:56:51Speaker 2

Alright. I'll stay.

4:56:52Speaker 1

Commissioner Calvert? He said

4:56:55Speaker 1

Commissioner Moody, you've asked to, put 51 up. That is set for executive. You're just asking that we bring it to the table. Is that

4:57:05Speaker 21

I'm fine with it.

4:57:05 – 4:57:34Speaker 1

Alright. It has been approved for a late file, so I'm taking up 51 a. Discussion appropriate action related to direction of staff. Proceed with preliminary feasibility analysis regarding a potential target freezing three satellite office project to include the evaluation of potential location, associated acquisition development costs to include renovation and necessary or advisable development consideration related to the target site located at Salado Creek and Loop 1604 West area. Commissioner Moody?

4:57:34 – 4:58:02Speaker 11

Yeah. And we're gonna defer to Dan to present. He said, why should we have a presentation in executive and open court? We'll just dive into it. I'm gonna let Dan present here, but a couple things to to highlight here. What's that? A couple things to highlight and it's not lost on me that we're just talking about budget constraints and and now we're talking about potential real estate purchase.

4:58:02 – 4:58:28Speaker 8

I'm sorry, commissioner. Just just to interrupt you, but just a quick point of inquiry. Normally, we have these in executive session because it's a real estate potential real estate transaction. And we don't negotiate these things publicly. So I just want to make sure we are doing the right thing here by discussing a potential real estate transaction in public. Can you opine on that, Larry?

4:58:33 – 4:58:57Speaker 32

Oh, sorry. You're correct, commissioner. Usually, the order is reversed. We have the substantive discussions because obviously revealing the property and the nature of the property causes some issues with downstream purchases. So we talk about the substantive issues in the executive, and then we come out and the court will direct staff accordingly. So but, you know, that's at the court's discretion.

4:58:58 – 4:59:10Speaker 11

Yeah. I mean, point well taken, but I think this is important that we bring it in the open court. The information's already out there anyway publicly. So and we don't I mean, it's it's really building agnostic. Right? It's a question Well,

4:59:10Speaker 32

not until you confirm it. It's it's speculation.

4:59:15 – 4:59:39Speaker 11

Well, it is. Okay. Anyway, the and and again, we don't have to get into specifics of of of the building other than the square footage and ballpark pricing. Right? It's more around questions about policy and whether something like this makes sense for the county.

4:59:41 – 5:00:16Speaker 11

And that was kind of just how I wanted to tee this up. I want to hear from Dan. I want to hear from county staff about whether this makes sense for the county in their opinion. Based on what I have seen, I think a strong argument can be made that that this makes sense over the mid to long term for the county when it comes to space. We can be penny wise and pound foolish, and we can obviously not incur any additional cost today, but we also still have to continue to to to build for the future and and be mindful of that.

5:00:16 – 5:01:06Speaker 11

So I have I've said all along, I don't think this is a Precinct 3 building. This has to make sense for the county in terms of the functions that would be there in terms of the leases that would be able to be canceled and cost savings for the county, additional revenue from other government entities that might go into the building because it is twice the square footage of our current existing facility on Inner Park. And I think that that's like an important piece here to note as we're looking for for square footage and space for county employees and for functions and for new courts. Right, judge? We've we've talked about that and no doubt whether it's this year or next year, there will be additional needs for for court space as well.

5:01:07Speaker 11

That being said, I'll let Dan dive into it, run through this, and then I have a few questions, and and I'd love to get feedback from the court.

5:01:14Speaker 9

So I'm happy to do whatever the court directs. So again, we've prepared a presentation based on

5:01:31Speaker 9

Let me Yeah. Let me let me move off you through the presentation if

5:01:38Speaker 29

I can remember it correctly.

5:01:39Speaker 4

Yeah. We have it. You want mine?

5:01:49Speaker 9

So again, this apologies. This was intended for executive session conversation.

5:01:55Speaker 32

Dan, can you not identify the specific properties? Just keep it general.

5:01:59Speaker 9

Can I identify the specific property?

5:02:01Speaker 20

Not identify the specific.

5:02:02Speaker 35

No. Absolutely.

5:02:04 – 5:02:47Speaker 9

Okay. Sure. We'll we'll we'll keep it sanitized at your request. So I wanna take a step back and just tell you from a global perspective, the county obviously has space constraints. Right? So that's not a mystery that there's space needed for jail beds as we heard today, diversion strategies, courtrooms, office, district attorney's offices, prosecutors, all that stuff. So our focus right now is we have a certain amount of square footage, about 4,000,000 square feet, and we manage that what we call to the highest and best use. And that's probably something you've heard David say and I've used it before. What is the highest and best use of that space? Sometimes the best use of that space isn't necessarily for an admin function, but maybe it's a quartz function, or it's a quartz, you know, vice versa.

5:02:48 – 5:03:28Speaker 9

And what we wanna try to do is leverage the existing footprints we have for that highest and best use. So court buildings that already have courts in them, let's add more courts to those buildings because the security perimeter is already existing, the infrastructure is already there, it's the best use of your county space long term. Again, as a reminder, commissioners court controls space assignment for all county offices and departments, and we're just the instrument to help you guys do that. So I want to talk about the Inner Park property project, which is the current Precinct 3 location for the JP and the Constable. That property was acquired in 2015 for a little under $3,000,000.

5:03:28 – 5:04:03Speaker 9

It was an old ADP check processing facility and we renovated that, and it opened in June 2019, for about 5, $860,000. So that was only for the JP and the constable functions. The building wasn't big enough to fit the tax office in it, which we do traditionally add to our precinct satellite buildings, as is Precinct 1 and Precinct 4, and then planned obviously for Precinct 2. In 2023, we did a small community room renovation project for the commissioner at the time. That was before commissioner Moody.

5:04:03 – 5:04:48Speaker 9

We presented a option, a few budget cycles ago to collapse a lease at the Nacogdoches facility, for the tax office tax assessor collector and move that function, the tax assessor collector function to Interpark to consolidate that into a, what we call a full Precinct 3 satellite facility. So all of those functions that exist at Precinct 1, Precinct 4, eventually Precinct 2 would would be consistent. After we did the initial design layout, of the addition, there's some constraints that existed. Parking being number one. The tax collector drives a large amount of people to his lobby and to his his function and that would conflict directly with the JP's operation.

5:04:48 – 5:05:28Speaker 9

And so rightly so, they brought up some concerns saying, hey, we we're concerned about the capacity issue with the current site of Interpark. So we had some alternates developed, know, do we lease additional parking capacity, maybe from the neighboring church or commercial property. We could expand the Inter Park physical footprint by acquiring land adjacent to it. And we could reload or we could relocate the entire Precinct 3 function to a different site where this we cannot accommodate all of those functions together. So as far as the expanding inner park option, let me step back.

5:05:28 – 5:06:07Speaker 9

Leasing parking spaces from a private entity, whether it be a church or commercial property, is not my recommendation to you guys because those have numerous pitfalls. We like to be in control of our own fates, and relying on a separate business to entry in a contract that was written by a previous court is not always a sustainable model. Expanding Inter Park site, there are two adjacent parcels that are vacant at this point next to the current site that the county owns in Inner Park. One is, both of them are have been contacted. Both do not appear to be, open to, acquisition at this time.

5:06:08 – 5:06:51Speaker 9

But if we were to do that project, we would acquire that property and potentially build a standalone tax office on that site or create enough parking to accommodate the full needs. So we looked at the relocation option, with the help of the commissioner, some real estate experts, and some county other county staff. And we looked at originally, if we were just look by property out in what we call the geographic center of Precinct 3, which is along 1604, it would be fiscally unreasonable for me to suggest to you to buy a property for a million dollars an acre and then build another $20,000,000 facility on top of it.

5:06:52Speaker 11

Yeah. Isn't an When we talked about that what? It was gonna be $30,000,000 plus?

5:06:56 – 5:07:18Speaker 9

Around there. I mean, these are rough order of magnitude numbers. I mean, haven't dialed any of these, it is it is would be particularly based on the conversation we just had, not a wise, step for as far as a facility solution. So then we'd start to look at existing properties in that corridor and there is an existing property. It is a large property.

5:07:18 – 5:07:59Speaker 9

It's three stories, 55,000 square feet, and it is in that location where it could fit the geographic center of the Precinct 3 area. And so we compared two projects, staying at Inner Park, acquiring property, and finishing the original intent of that project is creating a tax office addition, or relocating the entire function to to that, alternate site. So if we look at just the Inner Park expansion, we know that we're gonna have to more than likely condemn one of those properties to acquire it. Those properties can be between 1 and a half to $2,000,000 each. And then the construction of that tax office could be up to $7,000,000.

5:07:59 – 5:08:32Speaker 9

So again, that could be a $9,000,000 project to complete what the original intent of the of the addition was. The future relocation option, again, at this point, we're only asking the court to consider acquisition of the building. Future use of the building, who goes there, who goes where, assignment of spaces and leases, that's really up to the court. And I'm not trying to recommend anybody be slotted anywhere because it's way too soon for that conversation. The the space is more than a typical precinct building has.

5:08:32 – 5:09:26Speaker 9

Those precinct buildings are around 30 to 35,000 square feet. And so there would be additional capacity in that building for future county functions, whatever the court decides those functions are, whether it's collapsing an existing lease, moving another department, moving somebody out of downtown to make way for court functions, or those other spaces. And at at this point, I believe, without getting into the too many details, but their existing money that exists within the capital project for the tax office edition originally in Interpark. The commissioner Moody's identified additional funds from Precinct three capital projects that could go towards potential acquisition of a building. And then we would, again, if we were given direction by the court, do our due diligence and then bring those discussions back to the court on specifically what a fair sales price would be if we wanna do an official appraisal and those kind of discussions.

5:09:26 – 5:10:08Speaker 9

But I'm trying to be vague at the direction of of counsel without going too detail. But we know just to summarize, we know that there are functions in the county they're requesting space. A lot of those are around courts, district attorney, elections of purchasing, all those other functions. So we know that there's a need for space and we're gonna try to help you guys deliver it as economically as possible. I know I've said many many times, acquiring properties is way cheaper than building at this point, but we have various purpose built facilities we have to build from ground up because they don't they don't have spare animal care facilities, you know, on the market.

5:10:08 – 5:10:22Speaker 9

So some of those things were just pigeonholed into actually delivering from ground up. But this would be an opportunity to acquire something that's already constructed, fairly new, and then renovate it in the future for accounting function.

5:10:24 – 5:11:00Speaker 11

And as needed, right? Because as you said, with close to 55, 60,000 square feet, you wouldn't need that for any of those functions today. You could leave a floor, floor and a half as is potentially. Right? So you could phase any some of those renovations in over time. A couple of quick questions. David, I know you talk about debt and and leases. Like, what's your your factor that you use, like, when we think about cost savings on a lease? Is it

5:11:01 – 5:11:15Speaker 35

So if you want to, without doing research, just try and calculate the net present value of an annual lease over time, assuming no annual increases, basically times 10.

5:11:16 – 5:11:49Speaker 11

10. Okay. So I mean the the point I'm going with there is you start thinking about leases that 200,000. There's multiple leases at 200,000. There's some other leases at a 100,000. If you were to take two of those at 200,000, 400,000 times 10, that's 4,000,000. Right? In terms of what would be considered debt savings. Well, additional debt lease savings by by canceling those those leases.

5:11:49Speaker 35

So the leases would pay the debt service on the debt you would have to issue is how I would frame it.

5:11:56Speaker 11

Yeah. Just opposite because we're no longer paying the leases. So

5:12:00Speaker 35

No. I'm saying the money you're not paying in lease Mhmm. Would now be shifted to pay the debt service.

5:12:06 – 5:12:21Speaker 11

On up to 4,000,000 in that case. Right? Yep. So I'm a put you on the spot, Dan. I mean, talked about this and I highlighted this upfront for for my colleagues.

5:12:24 – 5:12:54Speaker 11

I only want to like press forward with this if there's alignment that this makes sense for the the county in terms of buying additional square footage real estate with the cost savings and everything else. Yes. I I think it makes sense geographically for Precinct 3, but you know, it's got to make sense for the county. So your your thoughts on this and and my follow-up question is going to be because the other options aren't great.

5:12:54 – 5:13:27Speaker 9

Sure. Yeah. So I, you know, they say in real estate location, location, location. This is a excellent location as far as visibility and traffic counts to provide services to the constituents of Bexar County. Above all things it is a much better location than the current location. It is a newer building as far as new construction that comes with as we know we had a jail discussion, newer things break less than older things. Not that Inner Park is an older building, but those are factors definitely involved in that conversation. So

5:13:29 – 5:13:42Speaker 11

again, there's really three options here. There's continue forward. I mean, listen. Let's take a making a action to to go forward and purchase off the table. Right?

5:13:42 – 5:14:17Speaker 11

We can either go forward with additional due diligence today or and and this is is option one with a new location. Option two, try to do what everyone other precinct is doing and consolidate services at Inner Park, and that requires condemnation, additional land acquisition, and construction costs that are gonna come close to equaling the the cost of purchasing a new building, and we're still gonna be stuck with 30,000 square feet, not 55,000 square feet.

5:14:18Speaker 9

Yes. That's correct.

5:14:21 – 5:14:40Speaker 11

Or do nothing. And we do not consolidate unlike the other precincts. And we also maintain certain problematic leases out there that are going to continue to hit our general fund year after year. So so thoughts on the other options.

5:14:41Speaker 9

Well, listen. I You're putting me on a spot here.

5:14:46Speaker 11

I told you. I warned you.

5:14:47Speaker 9

I I but yeah. But, again,

5:14:51Speaker 32

judge, the motion today the only motion today is whether the the staff moves forward with the preliminary feasibility study. Those other options aren't part of this caption. Just

5:15:01 – 5:15:15Speaker 11

Well, clearly, Larry, this is exactly what we're talking about. If we're gonna go forward with one, then we're not gonna go forward with the other two. If we're not gonna go forward with with a new location purchase, then we're gonna have to go forward with the existing status quo.

5:15:15 – 5:15:28Speaker 32

That's not what the court's voting on here. This has only thing it's doing is feasibility study. That's the only issue It's clearly related. Well, there may be. That's not what the court's voting on.

5:15:29Speaker 11

This is part of a discussion about an item that's on the court agenda.

5:15:33Speaker 32

You set up a motion where the court had to decide though between three issues, and that's not what this the court's considering. I'm just making that clear.

5:15:42Speaker 11

Well, I I completely disagree with that take because

5:15:46Speaker 8

Well, that's why we submitted to your decision how can

5:15:48Speaker 11

you make a decision about one option that's on the agenda if you're not looking at the other options facing the county?

5:15:54 – 5:16:31Speaker 4

May may I comment? Mister Cohen. It's not about disagreement. It's about state of Texas laws, and this is what we posted. So this doesn't you know, talking about consolidating other county resources doesn't help my constituents. It's too far away. The budget team just put this presentation together, and it says no new capital projects. So that's enough for me. I cannot support this. It doesn't it doesn't make sense for the county, especially with our financial situation right now.

5:16:32 – 5:16:53Speaker 32

Well, judge, I'm just clarifying what's on the agenda, what's in the caption, and what subject to open meetings, It is whether the court votes to move forward with the preliminary feasibility analysis of this location, not the other issues. So I just want to make sure that's clear to the court. They're not voting on what to do after this item.

5:16:55 – 5:17:17Speaker 2

Commissioner, I just had a quick question. Judge? Okay. So I believe the numbers are that you have about 13,000,000 that you've identified could be utilized for the acquisition. Is that am I numbers right?

5:17:17Speaker 9

Yes. It's around $12,000,000 Yes.

5:17:21 – 5:17:34Speaker 2

Okay. So yes, you have about $3,000,000 from the lease reallocation to the debt service and 9,000,000 from Interpark, basically.

5:17:34Speaker 8

Is that right?

5:17:35 – 5:17:57Speaker 9

I believe it's 4.8 from the existing capital project. And then Commissioner Moody has identified the supplemental funding to get to the what again, the purchase price is undetermined. We put an estimate together, what we think the fair market value of that property is, but again, nothing's decided until we're allowed to have those official talks with the property owner.

5:17:58 – 5:18:30Speaker 2

Okay. So from my perspective, if a commissioner finds savings and reappropriations from funds that were previously allocated, the court's always tried to work with the commissioner in the interest of reciprocity. It's not necessarily even a new expenditure. It's just a reappropriation of dollars. So it's again, it's a do unto others kind of situation.

5:18:30 – 5:19:03Speaker 2

We have other facilities that have the services. This one doesn't have the JP. We do seem to have I mean, people from all over, you know, people from my precinct may work around the area that this may be located. It it it you know, people people migrate. So, you know, I think having the county in population centers for convenience, no matter where they're at, is a good thing.

5:19:04 – 5:19:20Speaker 2

So it's it I'm I lean in favor, particularly when the commissioner has gotten some numbers together to try to make it work. So that's that's where I'm at, and that's why where I'm at.

5:19:22Speaker 11

Appreciate Well, that, Commissioner Calvert. I

5:19:26 – 5:19:52Speaker 1

have a question to counsel, and then I have a question to Dan as far as due diligence. So the point of order is, and I'm trying to make sure we comply with open meetings, is that the agenda item is phrased to discuss the potential targets, which is put the building that is being looked at for possible purchase. Correct?

5:19:52 – 5:20:14Speaker 32

Well, the only decision is whether or not the court decides to direct staff to proceed with a preliminary analysis. It is not to direct consolidation of anything, any other buildings or any of the other matters. You're right, commissioner. You can have that discussion related to this, but it's not setting up the court to decide those matters today. Okay.

5:20:14Speaker 11

I mean, maybe we're on the wrong page there. I I just thought discussion was being cut off, and I don't know how we can have a conversation about the item if we didn't.

5:20:22Speaker 1

And and I get it. Then as a question of due diligence, Dan, this involves precinct three and other elected officials, are necessary

5:20:32 – 5:21:00Speaker 1

Stakeholders. One, justice of peace, constable, and then a possibility of the tax assessor collector. So have have do we have support from those electeds for? Commissioner, do you know or staff? Do they wanna move to this possible? Because if they don't, I need to know what position they take. So we have solicited feedback from

5:21:00 – 5:21:27Speaker 11

all of those individuals. We have sat down a couple of times, and Dan has addressed some of the concerns in terms of a move. I think that if we go forward with just continued due diligence, that will give us additional time to continue to explore any remaining concerns and see if they can be addressed and mitigated?

5:21:28 – 5:21:53Speaker 1

I don't believe my question was answered, commissioner. I thought it Do do the elected officials of the Justice Peace Precinct three, Constable Precinct 3, and the tax assessor collector whose office may be part of this feasibility study, do they support this particular project, Dan, or we don't know? I I realize you're I respect you agnostic.

5:21:53 – 5:22:27Speaker 9

Judge. Right. And I don't wanna speak for the commissioner, but nobody likes change. Everybody's fearful of, hey, I'm gonna get boxed into something that doesn't work for me or do those other kind of things. We've we've got initial feedback from those elected officials and we we talked with the Commissioner Moody about those concerns. Some of them were very specific like an egress door here or fire escape stairs there that we believe architecturally we can solve. But I get there's a there's a much larger conversation that has to happen to ensure that the documents are comfortable once we move in.

5:22:27Speaker 1

So is it fair to say that they have yet to state an opinion for or against? They have I'm not

5:22:34Speaker 9

gonna speak for an elected

5:22:35Speaker 1

official. Concern. Obviously, they've expressed concerns to you. Okay. Alright. Commissioner

5:22:41Speaker 2

Judge, it helps. Yeah. I think, judge, we're just looking at feasibility. This is not a purchase. It's not a mandate of anybody moving. It's just due it's just further due diligence.

5:22:51 – 5:23:38Speaker 11

Yeah. Agreed. I I think we've you know, it's late in the day and we've covered this. What I would like to do is just take the the minor step forward to continue due diligence, to continue to see if we can gain alignment with likely tenants and and the if the building were to be purchased and, you know, continue to to sharpen our pencils on what the financial impact to the county would be and or any additional savings that could come with said purchase. I will move that as a motion to continue due diligence on the prospective building.

5:23:39 – 5:24:02Speaker 1

I'll second that. Alright. There's a motion and second. Can I ask for clarification? What what is is it adopting the language of 51A or is it a modification? And then as a point of order, does that satisfy open meetings requirements? Larry? I

5:24:03 – 5:24:15Speaker 32

believe well, I'll have to let the commissioner answer that, but I believe that they are making a motion consistent with 51 a to continue the feasibility analysis, but I'll let the commissioner confirm that.

5:24:15Speaker 11

I would concur with that. Yeah. Due diligence, feasibility analysis.

5:24:20 – 5:24:39Speaker 8

So if I can just state on the record, you know, I'd love to be supportive. I'm not gonna support this. I disagree that we should be having these discussions publicly. These are executive session discussions when it comes to real estate. So for that reason, I'm gonna vote no.

5:24:40 – 5:24:55Speaker 1

Alright. Any further discussion? Call for a vote. Sounds like I need to do a voice vote. Commissioner Clay Flores? Nope. Commissioner Rodriguez? No. Commissioner Moody? Yes. Commissioner Calvert?

5:24:59 – 5:25:39Speaker 1

Judge Sakai says no, but at the same time, Commissioner Moody, after due diligence, further due diligence, I will be willing to relook at that, especially after the other elected officials and I get feedback from them, or I can I can certainly call them and ask them? Alright? So I'm willing to relook at this. But for today, let's do more homework, please. Alright? Alright. Let's move on. Does that finish all the matters except for executive Priscilla? Just trying to check. If that

5:25:40Speaker 3

think we might need to do the FFRs

5:25:42Speaker 1

The what then?

5:25:43Speaker 3

Which I think is

5:25:46Speaker 1

K. K. Which which one?

5:25:51Speaker 1

Six? Six? What are

5:25:56Speaker 8

what To the ministerial here.

5:25:58Speaker 1

Oh, the ministerial. We took we did I took note of the

5:26:02Speaker 1

Filing for the record.

5:26:03Speaker 8

We we don't vote on it.

5:26:04 – 5:26:15Speaker 1

We don't vote. We just took I just took note of it. Alright. Is there anything else that I've missed? So then let us now but there are matters that have been brought to my attention.

5:26:15 – 5:27:01Speaker 1

Let me read into the record. To take up the executive session item on negotiations of a development agreement between the county, the cab, and the rodeo, we must unanimously vote in open court that deliberation of business and financial issues in an open meeting would have detrimental effect on the position of commissioner's court in negotiations with a third party. We have requested an opinion for Larry Roberson with the DA civil division and ask that the staff enter that opinion into the record. I'll ask that this letter be made part from a memo from mister Gonzales from mister Roberson, to the court. Request pursuant to section five five one point o seven two five Texas government code.

5:27:01 – 5:27:21Speaker 1

Is there a motion to go to executive session on this specific issue with the unanimous vote? So moved. Second. Motion by commissioner Rodriguez, second by commissioner Clay Flores. Any further discussions? Hearing none, I'll ask for a vote. All those in favor signify by saying aye. Aye. Any opposed? Any abstentions?

5:27:22 – 5:28:00Speaker 1

Motion passes unanimously. We'll go into executive session. We will then go into convening executive session and may be discussed and acted upon if appropriate. Pursuant to five five one zero seven one of the Texas government code, executive session will be held for consultation with the court's attorney for advice regarding the following matters pending or contemplated litigation or settlement offers in the matter of Pacheco versus Bexar County deputy Richard Calderon. Legal issues, pertaining to the following matters in which the duty of the attorney for Bexar County under Texas disciplinary rules of professional conduct of state bar of Texas clearly conflicts with the open meetings acts.

5:28:00 – 5:29:11Speaker 1

Legal issues related to collective bargain agreement with the deputy sheriff's association of Bexar County entered pursuant to chapter one seven four of the local government code. I believe subsection two has been waived and has been voted on in open court pursuant to section five five one zero seven two, the Texas government code related to the deliberations regarding real property. That matter too has just been discussed in open court and waived pursuant to section five five one zero one seven two five. I have already stated that we are gonna take up a matter involving Bexar County, a political subdivision, Coliseum Advisory Board, San Antonio Livestock Exposition, a Texas nonprofit in regards to redevelopment, revitalization of Freeman Coliseum Complex Grounds, and the court has voted unanimously to enter into executive session. Also, two, I believe the matter of five five one zero seven eight seven of the Texas government code to deliberate matters related to economic development negotiations in regards to the baseball, arena stadium, in regards to the San Pedro Creek Cultural Park.

5:29:11 – 5:29:40Speaker 1

That matter has also been addressed in open court and the executive session waived. Is there any other matters that we need put on record? If so, we are now in executive session. The time is 03:36PM. Alright. The time is 04:23PM. The court is now in open session. The court is not taking any action after executive session. Is there a motion to adjourn?

5:29:40Speaker 1

Second. Motion by commissioner Rodriguez, second by commissioner Clay Flores. Commissioner Clay Flores, do you have any memorials?

5:29:47Speaker 4

Yes. I'd like to adjourn in memory of Manuel Berrios Saban.

5:29:53Speaker 7

Mister Rodriguez. Thank you, judge.

5:29:57 – 5:30:26Speaker 8

I would like to join in adjourning in the name of doctor Beta Salval, who was a pioneer of sorts here locally and started the UTSA prep program. I think I think he was commissioner Calvert's constituent, but I know impacted the entire community. Also, would like to adjourn in the name of reverend Manuel Garza, Dora P. Sanchez, and Guadalupe Fisher, who's the mother of state rep Trey Martinez Fisher passed away this week. Thank you.

5:30:26Speaker 1

Commissioner Moody. On

5:30:28 – 5:30:47Speaker 11

behalf of commissioner Calvert, we'll adjourn in the memory of Austin Lewis Flores, Elmer Wesley Togman, May Ella Branch, Carolyn Peterson, Juan Hernandez, and Olivia Ladson, who was a Spurs usher for fifty nine years.

5:30:49 – 5:31:22Speaker 1

Commissioner Calvert. He's off. He's off. Alright. I'll join in with doctor Emmanuel Berizabal, also Joe Charles Karam, who is a McKellen High School, who is chief national is a member of the Pan American University basketball team that won the nineteen sixty three national basketball championship in the NIA conference. A dear family friend. All those in favor of the motion adjourned, signify by saying aye. Aye. Any opposed? Any adjourned.

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