Common Council - Regular Meeting

I will call the special common council meeting to order. Um, Tuesday, November 11th at 6:30 p.m. Can I have a roll call, please? Princull here, boy here, Niger here. Hill here. Stubby here. Sorenson here. All present.

Thank you. We do not have any virtual attendees. On to number three, which is the city of Berlin two 2000 the city of Berlin's 2026 budget presentation. So in your packet you have the colored versions of all the different uh budgets that make up the budget, all the different department budgets, and they should be the same colors as the last version. So if you comparing and everything um but our 2026 budget slide sorry so what I'm planning to do is do a little bit of an overview talk about the levy and the spending breakdown revenue and then our preliminary audit findings which will be updated during the regular meeting with the actual audit findings. So um you know is here for that presentation in a bit but um next slide. So one of the biggest uh things for this budget is um according to state statute you're supposed to list both your both your expenditures and revenues in your budget resolution that is adopted. And so this year we show both our budget expenditures and our budget revenues. So therefore there are no unbudgeted funds needed or revenues that are not shown. My assumption from previous years is that the anticipation was that you would use reserve funds to cover revenues that were not actual budgeted. But so there are your totals. So this shows the difference between what was levied last year and what isn't what

will be living this year. So for the mill rate went up 63 cents. And with that 63 cents, what that means is for every $100,000 of value that a home has, they'll see a $63 increase for the city's portion of their of their taxes. So, I don't know what their total tax bill will be because obviously we have the county and the school district and the technical school um included in in that as well. So [clears throat] this is just for the um city portion um you ready? Sorry um for spending breakdown. Now these numbers actually go back to last year because again I don't have all of the the mill rates for each of the different taxing jurisdictions, but I wanted to point out that I think most people are aware, but when you pay your tax bills to the city of Berlin, you are actually paying um for four different districts. You're not just paying your city or Berlin desks. You're paying Green Lake County or Wera County if you live in Wera County, the Berlin school district and Marine Park Technical College. So the city of Berlin collects all the property taxes for all of these taxing jurisdictions at least the first payment. So any taxes that you pay through January 31st of next year will be collected by the city. Of course, you can elect to do um two installment payments and that second payment would then be collected by Greenland County or Washer County. So, the overall breakdown of our levy and spending the property tax levy um is just over 2.7 million. We are um taking out debt of just under 300,000. And then um tax equivalent. So basically what the

utilities are paying back to uh the city for for their uh services because they don't actually pay property taxes on the facilities and grounds that are operated. Um other taxes and special assessments that brings up our total of what will be um collected. So this shows the breakdown by department. Um so our largest departments of course are our public works department which takes care of streets, parks, all those types of things. And then um your police department um public safety and the citywide um are things that attribute to all departments. It is also broken down by fund which is what is also shown on the uh resolution that you adopt for the budget. Um these are the different areas that by statute it asks us to write down so I think so that people can compare from budget to budget and city to city how things are spent. So again, public safety and public works are two large the largest portions and then of course um that starts for the revenue picture. Um things come in for the different departments pay grants, state aids, all kinds of other things. Um so besides the levy, we are anticipating just over $3.7 million in revenue. So about 2.7 coming in through the property tax and about 3.7 coming in from all other sources. So this year the council of course um discussed

things to try to improve the revenue picture. As you are aware the city is limited on our ability to raise revenues by state statute um through the levy. So, the municipal vehicle registration fee or the wheel tax was implemented. It will go into effect January 1. It's on the Department of Motor Vehicles website already. It's listed there. So, that $25 fee per vehicle will u go into effect January 1 of this coming year. The capital improvement plan um has been adopted, although we have not took out the spending or borrowing for that at this time, but um kind of laid the groundwork for about $2 million every other year, a million dollars a year in uh spending to try to make a dent in the capital needs of of the city. And then um increased employee contribution to the employer health provided health insurance benefits. um instead of having a specific contribution amount, a dollar amount, um the city moved to a percentage, which this year is at 7 and a half% of the insurance premium being paid by the employee. Next year, um we're hopeful that we will be ready to implement a recycling fee. The recycling fee would allow us to take that off of the levy and move it to a separate fee on the tax bill, which would open up a little bit of levy space for other uh needs of the city. So, the preliminary budget, excuse me, the preliminary audit findings basically show that the net position from 2023 to 2024 had very little change. um uh things kind of yeah very very similar to the year

before both in bond balances and in um the the um [laughter] position and in the fund balances which like I said we'll get more detail for in the in the next next meeting um with the audit as I've said previously 2025 this year is where some of our needing to go into um our savings and resources come into come into play at 2024. So, are there any questions, concerns, or anything that you would like me to go over um regarding the budget prior to a public hearing? All right. Then on to number three. Sorry, number four, which is a public hearing of the city of Berlin 2026 project. Is this one? I don't even have my notes here on this one. This is Do I have to ask every time?

Yes. This is the first time I've had to do this one. Is there anybody wishing to speak in for of the budget? Anyone wishing to speak for the budget? Anyone wishing to speak for the budget? Anyone wishing to speak against the budget? Anyone wishing to speak against the 2026 budget? Anyone wishing to speak against the 2026 budget? If not, then I'll close the hearing. On to number five, which is the resolution number 25-13, adopting the 2026 budget and setting the property tax levy for 2025 collectible in 2026. The recommendation here is to approve the adoption of the resolution. I'll make a motion to approve the adoption of resolution number 25-13 adopting the 2026 budget and setting the property tax levy for 2025 collectible in 2026. Second motion by Terry, seconded by Victoria. Can I have a roll call, please?

Chris, I Hill. Stubby. Hi. Sorenson. Hi. All right. Motion approved. Move on to number six, which is the adjournment of this meeting. Make a motion to adjurnn. Second. Motion by Victoria, second by Sam. Sure. All in favor say I. Any oppose meeting? We're going to take just a quick break before we go into the next um meeting. Yes, sorry. 643.

here. All right, we will call the common council meeting to order. Tuesday, November 11th, 2025 at 6:46 p.m. Can I have a roll call, please? Princull here. Boy, here. Niger here. Hill here. Stabby here. Sorenson here. All present.

Thank you. Uh see virtual attendees. We don't have any tonight. Number three is general public comments. Um just a reminder that there is a 3m minute limit per person. Chris, we'll start with you. You can state your name and your address, please.

Good evening. My name is Chris Galupa. Um, home address is N9104 South Road, Berlin, Wisconsin. Um, I am actually here on behalf of the library board. Um, they asked me to read a little thank you um, on behalf of their appreciation for the department of public works. To the Berlin Council and Mayor Bes, we'd like to extend a special thank you to the Berlin city maintenance staff for the prompt and extraordinary services to the library on October 1st. The Burlington City crew and especially Scott went above and beyond in responding to the plumbing emergency at the library. Their quick response to director Kaluba allowed the library to reopen quickly and continue service to our patrons and it assigned uh Maryland public library board of trustees with each of the names. So just wanted to do an extra thank you because we really appreciate that. I did extend this to Scott as well and ask him if he wanted to be here. I don't have his exact words but it was basically in our normal um duties and we very much thank you for your appreciation.

So if that doesn't sound like Scott [laughter] anyway just wanted to express that. Thank you. Yeah. Thank you. Thank you Ruth Susman. Okay, [clears throat]

I will give you a 2 and a half minutes, so 30 second warning. If you can start with your name and your address, please. Um, my name is Ruth Susman and my address is 218 South Wash, Chicago, Illinois 60604. Um, good evening and thank you for the opportunity to speak. My name is Ruth Susman and I'm here from United Local 1, Chicago's Hospitality Workers Union. Uh we're here to discuss the boycott of Farmers Emer Bank of Berlin. Farmers Emergency Bank of Berlin has won millions of dollars to an Illinois and Texas based company called Level X Group. Level X Group's holiday in Chicago downtown locked out union workers over Labor Day weekend. The lockout meant that housekeepers, many of whom have children and rely on them to make ends meet, not work until the lockout ended. Workers are back to work at the hotel now, but they still don't have a contract. Uh as has been the case for over two years. Um, union workers are still fighting for job protections if the hotel is sold. Uh, so the question is, should money from this community be going to this hotel in Chicago? Why is Farmers Merchants Bank of Berlin loan such so much money to this kind of company? Um, and does the city of Berlin use Farmers Merchants Bank? If so, we encourage the city of Berlin to honor the boycott and choose another bank or any of its bank services. Uh, we also hope that you would help us encourage the rest of the Berlin community to stand with union workers and choose another bank. Uh, thank you again for your time and for the opportunity to speak and I'm happy to answer any questions you might have.

Okay. Um, so we don't typically address public comments, but I feel strongly on this one tonight that it uh deserves a response. I personally feel the need to address this tonight as I've been pretty silent since um you guys have started harassing um the community early this year. As mayor, [cough] excuse me, I need to be very clear. The message to your group has the message your group has brought here tonight is not welcome in our community. The organization you're speaking against, the bank you're targeting has been a long-standing valued partner to this city. Farmers Merchants Bank have invested in our businesses, supported our schools, and helped countless families and local organizations succeed. They are an asset to this community, not a problem to be solved. Your attempt to discredit or divide does not reflect the values of the city or its residents. We are a community built on cooperation, mutual respect and partnership, and we will always stand with those who have shown that same commitment to us. I will not allow this council chambers or the city to be used as a platform for messages that promote division or humble relationships that sustain our town. So, let me be absolutely clear. Your efforts are misplaced and your messages are not supported here, nor wanted. Your attempts to force your agenda into our town will not succeed. Our residents see through it and they reject it. We will continue to stand with those who contribute to our community, not with those who try to tear it apart. All right, on to the consent agenda. Um, the consent agenda contains items which staff considers to be routine and have already been discussed and recommended by committee. Does anybody wish to make a motion? I'll make a motion to approve the consent agenda.

Second motion by Terry, second by Victoria. Roll call, please. Pris. Boy, I Hill. Stubby I Sorenson I six I's

thank you on to number 10 [laughter] I feel like this is finally here the 2024 audit presentation recommendation is listen to the presentation by Hawkins Ash CPAs regarding the 2024 audit of the city's finances and then discussion and action as appropriate come All right. Good evening everyone. My name is Amber Eert from Hopkins CPAs. I will be going through um I believe it was the top report. It says summary financial report. So if you want to flip through as I go through it. So it'll be important. It's just a table of contents. [snorts] Page two is a recommended auditor's report. This is just standard verbiage that we followed. Um, basically just stating we issued an unmodified audit opinion which is the best opinion for an audit. [snorts] You can jump forward to page four. This is the combined balance sheets. So looking at the total assets, this is comparing current year to prior year. Well, 2023 to 2024. Um, so total assets increased about 3.3 million. This is due to the way the new software is set up. So in the past there was what was called a common cash account where any money would transfer in between the cash accounts. The software no longer allows that. So now um everything is going through a due to the front count. So that's really the only reason for this increase. Um so the due from increase um it was 267,000 last year and 3.2 2 million this year. And then for the to uh deferred outflows, the WRS decreased 156,000 from last year.

This also just varies. Um it really just depends on how WRS calculates everything for the year. So some years it might be up, some years it might be down. It really just depends. And then overall total assets and deferred life deferred outflows increased about 3.1 million from last year. Total liabilities, same thing. The do two other funds went from 267,000 to 3.2 million. The deferred enclosed of resources decreased about 345,000. This was due to a about $300,000 decrease in the taxes levy for subsequent year. This also just varies depending on how much taxes are collected before your end. And then for the equity, total equity increased about 778,000. So the net position, which would be the water and sewer funds, that remains pretty comparable to last year. General fund increased about 521,000 from last year. And then a combination of all the other funds increased 205,000. So page five is the general fund revenues. [laughter] This is showing the budget and actual 2024 and then comparing to 2023 actual. So overall the taxes increased about 65,000 from last year. Special assessments increased 2600. Intergovernmental increased 257,000. Regulation which for licenses and permits increased 16,000 and then fines for penalties increased 44,000. charges for services. The public charges for services increased 52,000 and the intergovernmental charges for services increased 248,000. Miscellaneous increased 80,000. This would be mostly interest related. Um and

then other financing sources the transfers in increased 391,000 and then sale of capital assets decreased 8,700. So overall total revenues from last year increased 1.1 million. and you received 879,000 more than what was budgeted. The next page is just a chart um breaking it down in a pie chart of how the revenues were received. So intergovernmental was about 42.1% of revenues received, taxes and special assessments about 32.7% and then other financing sources is 12.3% as the top three. Page six show the general fund expenditures. So the general government increased 517,000. Public safety increased 95,000. Public works decreased 32,000. Health and [clears throat] human services decreased 20,000. Culture, recreation, and education decreased 68,000. Conservation and development increased 45,000. And then other financing uses which would be the transfer out decreased 57,000. So overall total expenditures increased about 480,000 from last year. And overall the city spent 74,000 less than budgeted but as part of the audit we do not take into consider into consideration the transfer out portion. So, um, technically the city spent 45,000 more than what was budgeted, which in the financial you'll see we have, um, a non-compliance, um, with laws and regulations. This is due to not being allowed to a Wisconsin statute says you can't overspend your budget. It really doesn't mean anything, but that's just we have to report it. So, that's um, why you'll see that in the financial.

And then the next page is the expense pie chart. So public safety was number one at 29.2%. Public works at 23.1% and then general government at 20.3%. Page seven is the water and sewer revenue expense comparison. So the left three are the sewer and then the um right three are water. Overall um charges for services decreased for sewer and increased for water. Operating expenses increased for both operating income decreased for both. The non-operating revenue expenses increased for both transfers out increased for both. And then capital contributions is only on the water side and this decreased. Um last year had the lead service line. So that's what that was mostly for last year. Um overall the change in net position for the sewer fund was down 359,000 from last year. So overall the net position at end of year was um down about 142,000 and for the water side it was up 194,000. Now this is pretty much only related to software. um it was unknown how much cash should be allocated between the water fund and the sewer fund. So for the audit we kept it all in the sewer um knowing that in 2025 they have been keeping track of what should be how much should be in the water and how much should be in the sewer. So that will correct itself going forward. So basically the water fund is just going to owe the sewer fund in 2025. So it'll kind of balance itself out. So the next page you can kind of see um the sewer fund had a decrease in operating income when normally they all

have an increase but when you combine the two um it's a pretty comparable comparison to the prior years. And then page eight is the statement of revenue expenses and changes in balance for all of the other funds. So I'll just quickly go through those. The CDBG housing grant um increased $28,000 for the fund balance. The ambulance fund increased or decreased 106,000. Revolving loan increased 89,000. Debt service decreased 214,000 as it now has a zero fund balance. American Rescue remained at a zero fund balance. Senior special account increased 28,000. Cemetery expendable trust decreased to 12,000. Library expendable trust increased 27,000. Capital projects increased 375,000. Kid 10 um increase 288,000 to a zero fund balance. Tid 01E increased 3100. TID O2E increased 7,300. TID 15 decreased 22,000. Custodial fund remained a zero fund balance. library and fund remained a zero fund balance and then the internal service um fund which we closed out this year not as a zero fund balance. So overall there was an increase of 205,000 if you combine all of the funds and then the last chart is just a comparison of the general and other fund balances. So as you can see they have remained um a steady increase the last two years. And then page nine. [laughter] So the independent audited report as I mentioned um we issued an unmodified audit opinion which is the best opinion for an audit. And then we just like to mention that the um

financials are presented fairly and materially correct. Overall cash and investments increased 1.2 million. For the fixed assets, the city spent 1.7 on the general side and 818 on the sewer and water side. Um they disposed 242,000 on the general side and disposed 4100 on the sewer and water side. Long-term debt at year end there was 5.8 million. Um this is below the statute of 21.4 million. And then there was also 432,000 of water debt and 1.2 2 million of employee benefits. So this would be um compensated absences, WS, things like that. And then the auditor's report on on compliance and internal control over financial reporting. Um this is just stating that the city's internal controls appear adequate for a city of your size. And then lastly, the communication with those charged with governance and management advisory comments. Um so we did add some management advisory comments this year. um kindness of requested audit items. Um this was just missing due dates in our PBC list, which is kind of why we are in the position we're in. Um when due dates aren't met, we can't work on the audit. Um reconciling cash accounts, there were 14 bank accounts that had no 2024 activity recorded. So, um these were also not reconciled. Um it was I guess not set up in the software so it was unknown that this should have been done. Um so we had to report that as an audit adjustment which added up to 4.5 million. Tax ro the year end transactions were not recorded. Written year end closing procedures. Um a lot of the year end wrap-up steps were missed. Um so last year there were 33

auditor entries which added up to a total of 5.5 million. This year there were 90 auditor entries for a total of 47.6 million and then taxi grant claim forms were not filed on time. So the payments were received in 2025 instead of 2024. So I know you're probably all wondering what caused the delay. Um so as I mentioned there were a lot of transactions that we had to record on the auditor end. um new software, things weren't set up such as payables, receivables, cash reconciliations, things like that. Obviously, the turnover of staff. Um and then just not receiving the audit items on time. Otherwise, that's all I have. Any questions? I just want to make a statement that there was a lot of things that weren't received on time. It wasn't for I I just want to support you guys and say make sure I'm saying this in a correct way that it wasn't just because we were behind. It was because we weren't able to access a lot. Is that correct? And I just want to make that clear that it sounds it sounds like we just didn't give this stuff in a timely manner um or when it was asked of us, but it was obviously an issue with um the the turnover the software. I just want to make because it sounds like we're awful and that we're just behind on everything and that was not the case at all. So I just want to make sure that that is clear with everyone.

Yeah, it's definitely mostly there was many. Yes. Yep. Y okay. Does anybody have any questions? I have a question. Um, can you help me understand when you mentioned that the cash account had to be transferred out? Is that what you're talking about when you talk about the transfers out when you're calculating transfers out? What does that mean?

Um, yeah, it's basically moving cash um between the different funds. Um, so you you could either really do it as like a ju or like a juud would be you still owe it. The transfer is actually physically moving at the time. And on the old software there was basically one cash one ma main cash account that hit every single fund. So it would just transfer right in the cash. The software doesn't allow that to happen anymore. So now it is getting run through the d2 prom. Okay. instead of the thank you other way change in software. Okay, got it.

Any other questions? Anything else for us? That's all I have. Thank you guys. Thank you very much. Hard work. I know it was very hard. [laughter] We made it. All right. So, we are looking for um You need to accept it, right? You want to? Yes, please. We're looking for a motion to accept the audit then. I'll make a motion to accept the 2024 audit. I'll second. Motion by Josh, second by Sam. All in favor say I. I. [clears throat]

Any opposed? Motion passes. On to number 11, which is the special events on streets, highways, and municipal parking lots permit for achieving a better community, Inc. for the holiday parade on November 20th. The recommendation is to approve the special events on street highways and municipal parking lots permit for the ABC group for the holiday parade starting near the aquatic center um on Webster Street to Brooklyn Street to Broadway here on street ending at Church Street from 5:30 to 8. Does anybody have any questions on that? Otherwise, we're looking for a motion. I'll make a motion to approve the special events on streets, highways, and municipal parking lots permit for the achievement better community, Inc. for the holiday parade.

I'll second. Motion by Terry, second by Sam. All in favor say I. I. Any oppose? Motion carries. That's also a reminder to any older persons that wanted to be in the parade. Um, to let the ABC group know or you know, Chris. Chris, let Chris know. Sorry. So, they can have your signs ready for you. Do you guys have signs that are already made up or No, they would have to be made up. I'll make them. Okay. I'll personalize them. Oh, okay. Personalize. Well, [laughter] older personal I'll take

or something that okay on to number 12. Accept the proposals proposal for 2025 2029 audit services. Recommendation is accept the proposal of Perver Rose to provide audit services for years ending December 31st, 2025 to December 31st, 2029. um myself and um deputy clerk treasurer Debbie and alder person study um came together and went through all the proposals. We received seven proposals. Um and after going through and looking at the the scope and all the things that we were supposed to look at and then bringing in the cost proposal um we felt that perverse uh provided a proposal that was supposed to advantageous at this point for the cost. Are there any questions? I'm happy to go with the recommendation of the group.

Yeah. Thank you for taking the time to go through that. I'll make a recommendation to accept the proposal of Kerber Rose to provide audit services for the years ending December 31st, 2025 to December 31st, 2029. I'll second. Motion by Terry, second by Victoria. All in favor say I. I. Any opposed? Motion carries. Thank you. And also thank you to Hawkins and Ash for a lot of years. Yes. Many many years of service. Thank you. Yeah. Wow. Got the city through a lot.

And after this year, they may be ready to [laughter] just kidding. Thank you again. Okay. Okay, on to number 13, which is um approve the application to the board of commissioners of public lands for a loan of $130,000 through the trust funds in the state of Wisconsin and approve resolution 25-14 approving a loan through the board of commissioners of public lands trust funds of the state of Wisconsin for acquisition of 169 Ribbon Road. And the recommendation is to approve the application to the board of commissioners.

Yes. I'd like to note for the record that you received a copy of the packet and resolution prior to this meeting because otherwise we need to actually physically read that resolution um out loud. So if if you if someone would like to read it, you're welcome to. Otherwise, I think as long as we note that you received it in advance and had opportunity to read it that we are covering that requirement. I did want to note um as is stated in here the purchase price that forces more than the 130 um we are planning to use some EMS funds that came in from our town contracts um to offset that a bit so that we don't have so much to carry interest on as was the plans um which is why that number doesn't doesn't match. We anticipate closing on that property in early December. I'll make a motion to approve the application to the board of commissioners of public lands for the borrowing noted in resolution 2514 and approve resolution 2514 in the preamble authorizing the borrowing of 130,000 from the trust funds of the state of Wisconsin for the purpose of financing property acquisition for EMS department the loan to be payable within 10 years.

I will second motion by Victoria second by Sam. Can I have a roll call please? Prrisville. Hi, boy. Hi, Nicker. Hi, Hill. I Stubby. Hi, Sorenson. Hi. Motion passed. Thank you. On to number 14, which is purchase fund accounting software annual support for Banyan. Recommendation is approve the goal for $865 for one year of software support to allow the city to access financial records and run data. We're not done with that yet. No. So we're not done. Okay.

No, I mean with So Vion was our previous software utilized through 2023 and I believe there was some overlap in 24 but we moved to Acupun in 2023. When we moved to Acupun, excuse me, 2024 when we moved to Acupun in 2024, we um continue to utilize Bion um but we stopped paying the service contract for it. So basically our data is still there and at that time we could continue to run reports and everything. So our data is on the computer. The problem is that as other things update like word and and Microsoft and all those things, it starts chipping away at how the computer runs and how our access is. And since we don't have that support contract, we don't get the updates and the fixes and things automatically. So we can no longer access the data. At this point, we can get to the utility version, but we cannot get to payroll or accounts pay table. I've spoken to Bion and they can see the data there and if we did service contract, they will initiate everything and get us back to being able to access that data. I talked to computer network solutions a little bit about the possibility of just pulling that data out. Um, we would have to find somebody to do that. And to be honest, I'm a little worried that if we do that, it will, you know, just save it. Then we have the numbers, which we need and is better than our current situation, not being able to access them, but running reports and stuff is not, you know, it's not going to be very usable data at that point. So our options which I will have to explore are to pull get this contract and then see if we can pull all of the data back years out and dump it into acupunct um system so that we can run um this

until such time as we no longer need those records which I believe is at least seven years and that data is um back through 2023. for three. So, so at this point, not exactly sure which route is going to work the best and make sense, but I do know that we've got to access this data. So, it's almost $900 for us to get to the data that is on our system and a year to do so.

And a year to do so and to decide if we're going to continue with the service contract or if there's a better way to do that. I yeah I would highly recommend seeing if there's a way to export the data or find out if your new if acupun can even if you pay them a stipen if they would find a way to create a a transport program you know the import program from from banyan over to them right that we have to figure that out because ideally all of the data being dumped into so you can continue to run all those reports makes perfect sense I am not comfortable at this point promising that as I was going to I was going to say that I don't I wouldn't hold your breath on that one but

well I'm familiar I mean I go from software to software in other organizations just our history um pretty much fun and it's been pretty much a manual data entry process in a lot of program to program swaps is that something that's even possible like having somebody dedicated to just manually entering data or is that really we're talking way too many thousands of pieces information. I think it's going to be overwhelming in that you're talking so if we have to go back seven years and we've got two years in acupun um for every financial transaction that was made. Okay.

So I mean it would be I don't know those numbers but just in my mind that's significant. Okay. So I mean it would yeah I was just exploring that. appreciate the question and I don't have good answers at this point. I just know that we need to be able to access the data.

Can I ask a dumb question then? If if we have to access this data and we have to pay them for access to the data, why are we paying a second to have data elsewhere? Like you know what I'm saying? Like why aren't we just continuing that with Bion? Well, we stopped using Gion in 2020 at the end of 2023. So, if we were going to do that, we would have to take all 24 and 25 and put it in. Okay, I understand. I was just wondering what was the reasoning for the move. I wasn't here at that time. Okay.

My understanding, and you know more than I do, council, um, is more that I think there was some concern that the Indian may not be supported into the future. They were worried about um it wasn't keeping up with our what we needed from them. Okay. Is what we were told. I believe that it just wasn't fitting the bill anymore. We [clears throat] needed to go with Thanks for catching me up. I wasn't here for that either. Thank you. I don't think anything of this software stuff has been easy in the last It never is. It never is. It's caused a lot of problems. Okay. So, we need a motion to um approve that $865. Yes, please.

I'll make a motion to approve the quote for $865 for one year of software support to allow the city to access financial records and run reports on the data. I'll second that. Motion in a second. All in favor say I. I. Any opposed? Motion carries. Number 15, um old business. Does anybody have any old business to be brought forward? Number 16. Any new business? Number 17. I'll make a motion to miss it. Motion by Terry, second by Missy. All in favor say I. I. Any opposed? Meeting adjourned at 7:19.