Common Council - Regular Meeting

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I don't know what call this meeting to order. The common council meeting, Tuesday, September 9th, 7 p.m. Can I have a roll call, please? Absent Hill here. Here. here. Here

we have a quorum. Um, general public comments. We have one Joshua. State your name and your address, please.

Joshua went, 164 East Washer Street, Ward One. Um, as we get to agenda number 11, the pool and this room sits mostly empty today. I just wanted to remind all of you to kind of think back to that last meeting when everyone was here. And although the friends of the Berlin Aquatic Center, I've attended their meetings since and I'm not on their board and I didn't choose one of those positions at this time. Um, there's a lot of great ideas being shared there and some things just take time. So, I just hope that as you get to the the pool on the agenda that anything that happens tonight, um whether open, close, or whatever the future may hold, that you guys think of all the people in the community that work here, um and what the options might be going forward and hopefully don't decide something definitive that has long lasting effects as more time may just be needed to find those solutions to keep it open.

Perfect. Thanks, We'll move on to the consent agenda. The consent agenda contains items which staff considers to be routine and have already been discussed and recommended by committee, board, or commission at a previous meeting. Staff recommends that council act on all of these items on a single roll call vote. If any member of council wishes to have any items removed from the consent agenda and discussed, the council member may request that that item be removed from the consent agenda prior to the adoption. I'll make a motion to accept the consent agenda as presented. I'll second that.

Motion by Josh, second by Terry. Can I have a roll call vote, please? Absent. Hill I. I. Sorenson. I. Migler. I. Hi. I I

All right. Consent agenda passes. On to number 10, uh, which is October 1st, 2025 to September 30th, 2026, employee health insurance and employee dental insurance provider determination and plan selection. The recommendation is to approve the recommendation of the committee of the whole to approve the proposal of Robin Health Partners partners for employee health insurance employee employer. The city of Berlin provided to include the broad and focused medical plan groups with the plan design of PO 3500 7,000 and 100% employer cost share of 92.5% and employee cost share of 7.5%. Also select employee funded dental insurance plan. So, you received an additional portion of your of the packet a little later as we were waiting um for all of the information from um insurance and dental insurance. So, if the city were to elect to move forward with one of health partners' proposed dental plans, there would be an additional two approximately 2% savings on health insurance because they would give us a bundled rate. Um so those new numbers are are in um the the packet that you received originally. This is just dental that I sent you guys. Um so there are kind of six different plans that um health partners has proposed for dental. Currently we have Delta Dental and that is a plan that pays a maximum of $1,000 and includes orthodontics. The difference between the plans that Health Partners has provided is what the max that the plan will pay out in a year is. There's a hund there's a thousand which is equivalent to the delta that we have

now 1250 or 1,500. Um all of the plans proposed by health partners provide a health sav exc excuse me provide a cost savings. This cost savings would be entirely for the employees as the employer the city does not contribute towards the cost. You just um make it available to the employees should they wish to have dental. So the greatest um cost savings would be to go to the $1,000 plan which matches Delta and then either include orthodontics or not. Or you could go all the way to the $1,500 plan and everyone who chose that plan would see a cost savings except those that are in the employee plus one categories. Um if you went with offering orthodontics, they would um have a few cents a month difference. It would go up 21 cents a month for employee plus spouse and it would um Oh, I'm sorry. That's That's the only one that it actually would would um or I'm sorry and it would go up 72 cents a month for the employee plus children.

I don't see that. From what we currently pay from what we currently pay. Oh, from what we currently Yes. From what we currently pay. So, yeah. Did they ever get back to you on whether the local like Bright Orthodontics and such would be covered under this? So, I gave you the print out of what places um within 20 miles of Berlin as well as 20 miles of Ashkosh were within the dental plan. Sorry, could you say that again? Sorry.

There is a print there's a list right there of all of those within 20 miles of Berlin. There are no actual facilities in the city of Berlin listed. Um Amal Marxan Ripen is this one. the one I'm looking at.

Yes, this one is within 20 miles of of Berlin. The other sheet that has far more listed includes 20 miles of Oshkosh because we heard that some people go that direction already for other health care, but um many of those are quite some distance away because it's not just Oshkosh, you know, some of them are Fondelac or or Nita or No Bright Orthodontics, no Silver Creek, and no Hillside.

Correct. Correct. I asked for feedback from employees. Now, granted, they did not have much time to give feedback. Um, but what I heard was some of them already their dentist isn't on the Delta plan and um I I didn't hear a lot of push back. Um, but yeah, it's kind of a

granted I'm not the one taking this insurance, but as somebody from the community who's shuttling kids around and to have nobody in our own community or ones that you hear of. I don't know that I'm a huge fan of that that we're making people drive even further. I don't Yep. to to renew as far as any orthod

to renew is um a cost increase. Not huge, but um for everyone too, just so you know, cuz uh for Delta it was about an 8% increase. So that's where we're at. But you're absolutely right. There isn't anyone in Amro listed as available on this plan. But even for orthodontics, I don't see so bright, who's the other um I actually don't see any orthodontics on here at all.

I wonder if they didn't complete that run then. Unless some of these people do ortho. I don't know. What is the other one? Not right. Um, did you say Silver Creek? Silver Creek does not do ortho. They refer to somebody else in ribbon though.

Vivid. No, just can't think of the other. I don't know. I've only ever I've only ever used bright for my kids. So, I don't have any I don't know any other names. Was the Wasn't that young lady that was standing in the group of three giving the presentation last Tuesday going to be looking into that for us? Did she respond to you? She did.

Yeah, these are the lists that were provided. So, I apologize if it wasn't clear um about there's another. So the two different lists are the actual providers and the locations. So one of them will list each individual dentist and one of them lists the place.

Pointing out that um like there is two orthodontics listed. It's first impressions Dr. Fosters to Dr. Fosters in Ashkosh. That doesn't give a grade. What happens if somebody's in braces right now and they switch insurance companies? I mean, because usually it's a two to threeyear process. I'm just curious.

It would depend on how the payment plan is set up would be my guess. Yeah. I wish we would have had a little bit more time to gain feedback on the dental stuff, but it is what it is, I guess. So, if we stick with Delta that has a broader scope of coverage, network. Yeah. Network. Network. Yeah. Yeah. It's going up 8%. Yes.

But if we took the price cut bundling and getting two and a half% saving two and a half% be saving 2 and a half% on health and then more on dental, right?

Correct. So the employees would right the employees would see a reduction in what they would pay monthly. um and the um health insurance bundle, we would everyone would see the the de the increased cost savings due to the bundle. Now, um just like we were stated, there are a couple of other things with health partners that are different. They do have six month and 12-month waiting periods for those that are not currently on the city's dental plan. So, if you were to join the plan, you would be subject to six month and 12 month waiting periods. If you look at the plan sheets that they gave, you can see it'll say six month waiting period for basic service one and basic service 2 and then major services. There's a 12-month waiting period. All of your preventative care and things are are right away, but just just so that you're aware of that. Now, that would not apply to employees who currently are on Delta that continued and moved over to to um health partners, but they do have waiting periods on their on some of their dental work for payment. Okay. Okay. So, that's just on the dental portion. Does anybody have any questions on the dental portion? The new stuff that was brought.

It's about an $18,000 savings for the bundle. I h I have less of a question and more of a comment that we're being tasked with finding cuts where we can and um without a great deal of time and information to find the dental program that both cuts and includes the more common used ones around here. we may have to for this year at least choose the cut and then give us more time to explore options or finding options that would actually cover local dentists. But I think they mentioned last time that those dentists are even dropping coverage from some common things like Delta Dental. So finding what they cover might be kind of a hard hard task.

Mhm. Or who cover who they accept for coverage. Sorry. Do you know how many employees currently utilize the dental program? I want to say it was 35. Yeah, it was one of those things. I think it's on the sheet that has the dental comparisons. I think the yellow and orange one. Yeah. When you sent out the questionnaire, was it just department heads or was it all staff or what? I sent an email to department heads and asked them to collect data so that we could talk about it at um the department head meeting. So that um so back specifically around dental

around dental. Yes. Yes. Yep. So it looks like for enrolles for dental we have 30. Mhm. And only three with children. No, sorry, 12 because there's a family one, too. Right. Right. There's four different options available for

for the different health and dental plans. I feel I have a hard time with only having one orthodontist being covered on the new plan. I think that's a hard especially for families that have multiple kids or even an adult that wanted to get it to have one place to choose from. That's my only I do get that. But then if there's that big of a savings by changing, you know, that's and and the other thing that I might point out is that most people are choosing the orthodontist that they want knowing that coverage on orthodontia is incredibly low. I mean, yes, it's maybe 15 to 20% of the cost, but it's it's not really helping them make a decision about which orthodontist to choose if if if they're going to pay 5,000 or 6,000. It might influence the decision if they had, you know, two good options, but Okay. So, do you want these separate um motions, one for dental, one for health, or is this all in one?

Um either way, whatever I whatever makes people are more comfortable with. I think it'd probably make sense to do them do them separate um so that you can clarify which plan you're going for for health and then clarify which plan you're going for for dental. I'm sorry you're looking at me, but I know you're not going to make the motion. Do any of it, but yeah, I mean, if there So, are there any other questions? Yeah. Are there any questions from anybody about the broad versus focus? I know we talked about last time.

Definitely. No, I don't have I would have comments and it's No, that would influence that I know would influence. So, no. Okay. Um, I would make a motion to move forward with the Robin Health Partners proposal for employee health insurance for the October 125 to September 3026 plan year utilizing both the broad and focus networks.

Yeah, apologize. I was trying to read ahead to see if it included the dental including an option for both the broad network plan and focused network plan with a $35,000 $7,000 and 100% deductible total plan cost to be shared by the employer at 92.5% and the employee at 7.5% of the employee chosen plan employee to select broad or focus network and single employee plus spouse employees plus children or family Second

motion and a second. Um, any discussion? I guess I just have one clarifying question. I just want to make sure that we're um clear on what's changing from last year because I know that there's this is a a little bit of an increase than what was before. So 7 and a half% is obviously the change um from what it was at yes the so currently if you look on the memo so currently the proposed employee contributions we show what they're paying now um single is 25 employee plus spouse or children is 50 and family is 75 per month moving to the broadband the broadband sorry the broad network plan of Robin it's a little more than than twice that 5354 for single 10178 for employee plus and 15966 for family if they choose to go with focused um network if that meets their needs then it is just under twice as much as um their month the current monthly contribution at4 4926 9364 and 14689

and the HSA um contributions are the same. Those are not changing. Correct. And then um premiums or our 3500 max deductibles, where do those come in compared to last year? They're the same. They're the same. Okay. Yes. Okay. So, we have a motion and a second. Can I have a roll call vote, please? Boy, absent. Hill I. You use the mic for this, please. Sorry. That's all right. Boy, absent. Hill I. Prisbull I. Sorenson. I. Niger. I. Stubby.

Abstain. That's four. I Okay. Motion passes. Thank you. On to number 11 is the discussion of the future of the Berlin Aquatic Center. Did you watch dental? Oh, sorry. The dental and I just asked them to. I thought she read right off of the I missed the dental. Okay. Okay. Does anybody want to make a motion on the dental

that or are there any more questions or

I would suggest if and I don't know if you prefer the Delta which there are definitely reasons for that or if you prefer the health partners which there are definitely reasons for that. If you go with Health Partners, I would suggest that it may make sense to go to the $1,500 coverage because it's basically a wash for what the employees are paying now and they get one and a half times um paid out. So, that would be my suggestion if you choose to go with the health partners. Um if not, then it doesn't matter. But have a general consensus.

I've only heard from I guess Victoria was more um on the save and I think you were more on the save.

Still cheaper. Oh, there it is. I think I'm confused because the motion um says to be paid entirely by the employee. Yes. Yeah. Yes. The city does the employer does not contribute towards towards the dental plan. Okay. We just make it available to them. So the city will not see any savings to a health plan at all that we don't have a a cost totally accurate on the health side.

On the health side, yes. Yes. Yes.

Sorry. the employees would have a max payout of 1,1250 or 1,500 based on which one you went with of the three of these and it's still significantly less than with Delta Dental. So why are you recommending the 1,500 over the,000 or 1250 deductible? Because the employee would pay basically what they're paying now and instead of getting a,000 they get 1,500. That's what the insurance will pay towards your stuff. Oh, so they would be getting one and a half times what they're getting now for the same price they're paying now. Oh, I for some reason I thought those were deductible. Deductibles. Yeah, that's a benefit.

That's the benefit. Okay, got it. Now I'm less confused. Sorry, that's for my brains. All right, then I will make a motion to um Well, let me find it again. Move forward with the dental insurance proposal for the employee dental insurance to be paid entirely by the employee at the $1,500 benefit with orthodontics from Health Partners from Health Partners annual max.

There's a motion. Is there a second? I'll second that. Motion by Victoria, second by Terry. Can I have a roll call vote, please? Hill I I I abstain four eyes.

Motion passes. Thank you. Now on to number 11, which is a discussion of the future of the Berlin Aquatic Center. Um update from the friends of the Berlin Aquatic Center. I'd like to recuse myself to speak. Okay. Can you note that Victoria's 727?

Thank you. Good evening. The name is Victoria Hill, 142 North Wisconsin Street, and current president of the uh Friends of the Berlin Aquatic Center. Um, just to give you guys a quick update, you all you all just got the letter that we drafted yesterday. Um, but I wanted to give you an update kind of where the Berlin Aquat Friends of the Berlin Aquatic Center stand. Um the past president and vice president opted to step down from the position. Um they've been working for years on this and um kind of battling the challenge of raising the funds for the pool and found that their lives were just becoming far too imshed with things that they had to do to throw as much time as was necessary into um the group, especially considering the direction that the city wanted to take the pool. Um, so elections were held and I stepped up to take the position of president only because I am really invested in seeing the pool being saved and really invested with the direction that the friends of the Burland Aquatic Center goes as a fundraising committee. Um, so I'm stepping up so that it does not die out. And so what I wanted to tell you guys is that we see a strong desire from the community to give to the pool and we see a strong desire from members of the community to give services in kind to help save money on repairing the pool. But we see a also see a strong

hesitation to give into a gamble. People do not want to give into something that the city has not committed to save. So, we cannot put the cart before the horse in this case. We really want to come alongside and partner with the city to help save the pool, but that requires the city to give a positive affirmation, a positive statement that they will save the pool. And we're even willing to step up to the plate and say we will take on the onus of 50% of that and guarantee that we will guarantee is a strong word that we will work towards raising 50% of those funds and that once we have that positive affirmation from the city that they will save the pool people will step up to the plate. But every hesitation that we have heard is because the city won't make that positive affirmation. So, um, I regret that we could not take it over, but, um, as I mentioned in the letter, it's, you know, it's a bunch of civic-minded community members with lives that are not lawyers. We're not corporate boards. We're not um, you know, people that put together LLC's and manage, you know, organizations like the pool. We're just people that our scope was to raise funds. And that's what we're good at. And that's what we're good at doing is reaching out and talking to people. And we still want to continue to do that. We're by no means stepping down from that obligation. We're very much going to partner with the city when and if you make that positive affirmation to save the pool.

Thank you. Before Victoria sits down, does anybody else have any questions for her as far as the Friends of the Berlin Aquatic Center go? I guess I just want I it pains me to hear the the comment over and over again of we the city won't make a commitment. I don't think that anybody wants to or is using the the fact that they won't make the commitment rather than we're being the best stewards of the taxpayers's money and making every step possible that we need to do to before we make a financial a large financial decision like this. Without having an audit, knowing an audit completed from this year, without knowing what we have in reserves, without knowing our financial status, I don't think it's in anybody's best interest to make any kind of a commitment like that. So, I don't think it's that we didn't want to. We literally cannot make that decision. And if we wanted to make that decision, we would have made it a long time ago. I would still argue this is too big of a decision for the seven or eight of us up here to make and it needs to go to um a referendum. I don't know if that's possible now that there's going to be an election in November. No,

no, it has to be 70 days prior to get it on. So for sure that's the minimum. So it's 70 days before November. There's 30 days in a month. So there's Yeah, but it's November 4th and we have all we have is October and part of September. That's right. Not even a full 60. No. So I'm thinking end of November. Yeah. Election's November 4th. I mean the next opportunity if the council wish was to move forward with that would be your spring

but nonetheless I don't know that even if we put it on the spring election first of all we do not have a completed audit. We would have to go out tomorrow for it. We'd have to go tomorrow. But that's what I'm saying. We don't have numbers for downtown yet. We don't we don't know what's in reserves or what we can use. it. I would I would argue that if it goes to referendum, the whole thing needs to go to borrowing regardless of what the pool the save the pool organization says or pledges. The whole thing needs to go to borrowing and then they would have to pay us back and we could pay the loan off early, right?

Um and I don't know that the city can hold that amount out there with what's coming with downtown. And that's my concern is we have two we the downtown is a huge that is a necessity and I'm not comfortable making that decision without knowing all those numbers and what we can actually borrow for. But I absolutely agree that it would need to go to referendum that I don't think that any of us should make that decision. I think that we continue to keep it closed next year to give us time. Obviously, we know that we can't afford it next year on next year's budget in order to try to close that gap of 600,000. And in that year, I mean, I pray that we have this uh audit back here in the near future and some numbers for the downtown for the 4991 project. and maybe within that year we could have a better vision of what those expenses would all entail and what we could actually borrow for because if it goes to referendum it's not you you can no longer do advisory referendums. So it's either a yes we're fixing it and paying for it or no we're not. So before we even get to that point we have to find out if we can afford it to borrow for it. I mean, would everybody else agree with that or have any other input on that?

We're kind of stuck between a rock and a hard space. I would have to agree. Um, is that something that we can put on an agenda for in January then? That would give us enough time to have the 70 days before the April election and we can hope and pray that the audit is done and completed by then to have a better idea. I mean the downtown 4991 project is something we really don't have an option in since it's a state project, right?

So there's no we we can't make any adjustments to that. We can't put it off. We have to do and fulfill our part of that obligation as it is. If we don't have that audit done by January, there might be somebody else up here making these decisions because we better have an audit done by January.

Is that a fair amount of time? I think also on here was um update from staff. Was there anything else? I know that we had double triple checked um doing a title search in case we were gifting this tonight or putting this on the agenda to gift. um title search, making sure that we could legally gift it, that there wasn't any anything out of the ordinary, any grants used to purchase anything like that, and it all came back clear. So, it could have been gifted.

Sure. There's some tweaking that has to be done as far as potential road, rightway, vacations, or easements that would have to be um added and the lot would need to be divided because we have a um utility. Yeah, we have a well utility facility on that lot as well. So, um it would have to be divided, but it's we believe it's doable. So, we have listened to presentations and discussion and action is appropriate. I know in the next couple weeks we have a budget hearing or budget um special budget meeting anyways. Do you need an actual Are you looking for a motion tonight or I mean everybody wants to hear if the pool is going to open and nobody's made a decision? I think we could all make the decision that we can't afford to keep it open next year. That either way it would have to close next year unless somebody came forward and wanted to gift us $120,000 to keep it open next year. Does anybody want to make a motion for that tonight? Um or make a motion for revisiting in January to see where we're at as far as the audit and that gives us time that if we wanted to put it on an agenda after talking budget and um having more of those numbers available, we could do so or we can wait until the budget meeting next because I'm assuming the pool would be on the budget agenda. Well, the workshop will go through both the CIP and and the and the budget, and you'd have to provide direction um whether or not the pool would be on there. At this point, um all the um work that's been done so far does not show it opening because that was the direction,

right, pointed at. Now, yes, I mean, the council certainly could revise that or or provide further direction. So instead, we can just put a revisit in January um or table until January to see where we're at with CIP. We'd hopefully have something at least started to be drawn up. I would I don't know what that timeline I don't remember what that timeline look like as far as any other projects that would have been needed to be funded. I'm just looking at the main

the CIP lists. Like I said, the CIP puts everything that is in this community for facilities and and structures and equipment and all that thing all those things in one place. So it lists that we have a whole lot of things that we can borrow for in the next in the next year. However, obviously all of those things won't make next year. That wouldn't be reasonable or feasible. Um, so basically what we're hoping with the CIP is for the council having it all in front of them to have a better ability to set what amount they believe would be appropriate to move forward with borrowing on um or and or also prioritize which projects are for the the very near future.

But what was their timeline? When did they think that they would have that all of those things ready for? The the CIP draft is ready to go. It has gone to um the utility commission, the park and recck commission, and it went to police and fire. And the police and fire. Thank you. And there's a third one. It wasn't coming to my mind. Um so by January, we should have a better idea of finances as long as that audit is done and we have the CIP in place, we should be in a better place to make that decision as far as if we could borrow for it. And then if we could borrow for it, then we could make that decision in January about a referendum. Yes.

Is Bair going to be here for our budget meeting? Yes. Yes. That sound like a good enough plan? I guess I was under the impression the pool wasn't opening next year regardless of if they were taking it from us or we were That's the direction we gave them was that we couldn't afford it. And it was my understanding that if somebody took it, they would need at least a year to do what they needed to do anyway. So,

so either way, we talked about a year closing down. So we will table this till January and revisit once we have a clear idea with CIP and then audit numbers and then we can make the decision if we are able or want to borrow and then if it taking a referendum if we can afford it. I think that's a fair direction to go. Okay. And we're talking for the April election. Yeah. or April. It would have to be uh April.

It would have to be the April election. I will double check and reach out to the county on that, but it's my understanding that they'd need the actual referendum question at least 70 days prior to the election in order for that to be possible. So, you'd have to give them the actual language that you wanted on the on the ballot, which we should be able to do because 70 days before the April, would it be April 4th? No, April. The second week in April, I think second. Okay. So, yeah. I'm sorry I didn't look that one up for a specific date, but if we decide in January, that should be plenty of time to give them the actual language. Yeah.

Be the third Tuesday. Why? It's the second Tuesday, the 14th. Second Tuesday.

Yeah. Okay. Okay. Um, I would also say give a thanks to the Berlin Friends of the Berlin Aquatic Center for all that they've done. We know we put a huge task on all of them. Um, and in my mind and I think some of ours, it was a one of the best next options. Um, having a nonprofit be able to run it. And in my mind, I was, as Victoria, you had said that the people that needed to run it then would have needed to have been professionals and and and experienced in those areas. And that's kind of what I was hoping for in the restructuring um were some of those in the community to step up and take those places, those that would have had the experience to help build business models and um and legal legal input, all that good stuff. I was hoping that that was the push to everybody that wanted to help that they would have came forward. um to help restructure that group and then take the next year to figure things out, but unfortunately it didn't happen that way. So um and also unfortunately we have a business to run and so we'll take the next few months and hopefully all the right pieces fit together here and we can make that decision then and move forward in January. Any other questions for Victoria or any other comments? Then we'll move on to number 12.

Yep. I'll make that motion. Second. Motion a second. All in favor say I. Any opposed? Motion passes to receive Victoria at 7:43. Yep. It's April 7th. April 7th. Okay. Oh, the first Tuesday. First Tuesday. The February and August ones are different. Okay. On to number 12 is a tax increment district. Number 17, vacant lot development incentive program. I didn't skip one, did I? No. Nope.

Recommendation is discussion and action as appropriate. So, we discussed uh not too terribly long ago um the possibility of creating an incentive program for single family and duplex lots within TID 17. Um the direction um at that point I thought was to go ahead and try to design a program that would allow uh property owners to recoup some of the tax money that they would generate by building these over three years. um to a max of $10,000 per unit. So if you had a single family, 10,000. If you had a duplex, potentially 20,000 or 50% of the increased value that you created, whichever was less. Um, so I, um, went ahead and drafted a development agreement that we can then utilize with any, um, property owner that meets um, the requirements that the council feels is appropriate for this. This has not been reviewed by the city attorney at this point. I wanted to make sure that you were still um wanting to move forward and that this seemed to be what you had in mind before I asking before we start paying for the review. This is just um I I took other development agreements and tried to craft one that was a bit more general um and just kind of laid out those those rules of um three years three years to pay back three years of payback with a max of five years from the time that you take out the building permit. So if it takes you 15 years to build your house, you're not going to get anything. That kind of thing. And that this um of course runs with the TID district itself. So once we're no longer allowed to take on development agreements, this program will would cease or prior to

that if the council felt that it was no longer meeting the goals that they had for the program. So, just looking for direction as to if you'd like me to send that to the attorney and move on to the next step or if this is something that you want to hold or if anybody had any other direction or um things that should be within the development agreement that that are not specified. Seems to be in line with everything we discussed. All right. If that's that's the direction, then I will send it to the city attorney to start

proving it apart and making it an act everything we talked about. So, agreement. Okay. I'll send that to the attorney. All right. Okay. Then on to number 13, which is old business. To be used to request items of old business to be put on a future agenda for further discussion or action. Anybody have any old business? All right. Then number 14, new business. Anybody have any new business? To be used to request items of new business be put on a future agenda. And number 15, I'll make a motion to adjurnn. Second. Motion and a second. All in favor say I. I. I.

Any opposed? Ajourned at 7:47.

Sorry. Are you all right? We're good. Okay.