City Council - Regular Meeting

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Hey, my name is I'm Jerry. And I want to welcome you all here today. We appreciate you. And but he has some questions feel free to chime in so i'll kick us off good morning everybody

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that help inform some of the key pivotal settings for us in Central Oregon to understand our water. And specifically what I've been seeing is some studies in the U.S. Geological Survey resource that clearly .

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whether you're talking about the deschutes regional aquifer or the aquifer over in the crooked river in the crooked basin which is slightly different geologically it's a little different it's more confined meaning you can put water in it and watch hydrographs come up and then you can use water during the summer and watch it go down that's connected to the data center watering system um or water supply system it's not my water system and so i don't know all of the details but like the geology between the crooked aquifer and the Deschutes is different, and that's what allows different programs to work in different basins, that type of approach, aquifer storage, recharge, and recovery that they use in Prineville for data centers wouldn't work in the Deschutes basin, over in this basin. So it's related, but it's different. And so as far as how this MOU relates to it, I think that that's one of the conversations we have regularly with Austin and with your representatives of broadly speaking in Central Oregon, what's our approach to data centers? What's our approach to allowing them or not allowing them? And what impacts do they present to downstream users? And I think what we're finding is that we need to know more information. There's a strong desire for more localized science and understanding of the impacts. of not just cities and groundwater pumping, but data centers. The studies that I mentioned to you a few minutes ago, 1990s and 2016, they're aging rapidly, right? Not just from science, but our climate's changing. And so there's less and less confidence that the science that says that these things are okay is accurate. That's a great question. I think maybe to just summarize, it's focused us on improving our knowledge and exploring ways to increase our understanding of hydrology in the basin and what impacts are occurring where.

So with these studies and research, is there a mapping? I mean, are we mapping down with those kids or even our airspace? I mean, we're zoning that, we're zoning the surface.

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account for some of the drying and some of the lack of snowpack that we've seen the last five years. I think eight of the last 12 years have been significant drought events for us in Central Oregon. When you take that and you look at the modeling, I think that there are a lot of Our water use, surface water, groundwater is about 60% surface water, about 40% groundwater. That's changed over time, but it's from that 50-50, 55-45 scenario. Does that help?

Yes, thank you. Sure. I'll follow up to that question. The standard, the quality and the testing of the codes, the codes are testing that quality. I mean, you said 1990s, Even since 2019, we've had new standards. We have these forever plastics in the water that aren't part of that federal standard testing. So we're talking about saying that we're down river, we're taking right out of that surface water for our water treatment plant. And then we're out testing for those forever plastics and forever and the tech bonds and all this. So when do we change that standard to become, if we made our Is this part of that MOA that we're talking about?

So obviously you mentioned a couple of water quality related issues. You said PFAS, am I right? Yes. So water quality related to some of our emerging contaminants, things that we're just beginning to learn the science around or develop the science around, but understand how to treat for them. Right, so what you just mentioned were concerns around water quality of Deschutes River water that's coming downstream and it's going to be used for your water treatment facility here, right? Okay, a couple of thoughts. This is where Bobby should be here and I could press him on a couple things or Austin as well. One, I know that some water quality testing on the Deschutes River specifically related to your water treatment has been done and I want to look at those results because I remember my last conversations with Bobby around that, around microplastics and PFAS and it was very good news. It was positive news in terms of the findings from what the water quality results revealed from the Deschutes River. But you're absolutely right. There are water quality issues up and down the Deschutes River, wherever you go. And so I think the mindset we adopt is water quality starts at the source, up in the watershed, up the springs, and that's the best thing that we can do to keep that water clean and streamed for downstream users. So I think that's my best response to your concerns.

Okay, just follow up to that. not just for human consumption, but for, we find it's our salmon. One breed of our salmon, it's killing them. I mean, it's far more plastic, but it's at a different level from human consumption. We're willing to protect them because that's our first food, and we're trying to get it to that level. We're trying to protect them in their diets. And we even have a lot of salmon flies we used to have. I mean, it's killing them, and it's just resources. So it's a different type of standard. If we're able to set a different standard, different codes, have our own, how would we implement that into these?

I think the best way for me to answer that is really related to water quantity. That's really what we have been discussing to date is water quantity from springs and supplies and what benefits that cold water will have on the chutes downstream, really in the context of improving the ecological health of the river and fish species. As far as setting additional standards there, I think that's where we can work together to develop and what we could do through the mitigation program or other collaborative efforts to improve water quality downstream. I think we're open to those conversations, but I think that's the kind of conversation that's been opened up with this dialogue, but we haven't really gotten too far into that discussion.

And that's something we can build here that we can carry over when we're on the other table sitting over it.

voice to each table. That's a really good point. I think some of our past conversations on our monthly consultations, we bring our water quantity people, our water policy people, but we also bring our water quality people because we know at some point this is a really focused water quality conversation. I'll leave it at that, but I think you're absolutely right. This is opening up the door for us to figure out where we can collaborate and help one another. Thank you. Were there some additional questions? One of them was you mentioned mitigation. and making sure they're meaningful to the water system? And do they focus on ecosystem sustainability or are they just agro? Or what kind? Can you give us some examples? At a very high level. This is where I usually reach to my experts and say, help me out here. But we had this conversation yesterday to a degree about, you know, to date, I would say that the efforts to mitigate for groundwater use have been largely focused on agricultural and we haven't necessarily mitigated to the highest value, meaning that when we need to find a mitigation credit or produce a mitigation credit and work with an irrigation district, there's a monetary value where you pay for that transfer of water. Some of that water goes in stream and then some of that water turns into a mitigation credit that allows us to use more water. When you do that, That's a transaction and you're putting more water in the stream for a period of time and you're improving flows and you're improving the overall ecological habitat. And in some ways, you're improving water quality. But could you be doing more? And I think that's what's coming. I'm going to get to this in just a second. But one of the reasons we're looking to extend the mitigation program is to find time, to allow for time to explore those kind of paths to find a more to create mitigation credits? You know, what if we were able to create a mitigation credit through, you know, a more watershed enhancement? You know, I mean, you all have seen really, really impressive recovery of light years, right, over the last several years because of the restoration efforts that have occurred there. I think we want to look at mitigation credits in that context over this, you know, this next 10-year period. That's hard to do. I mean, that's five years of hard work with all the stakeholders in the room, right, working together. And I think there's recognition that that's the next step. You know, mitigation program 2.0 will be more ecologically sensitive, the way that you're aiming. Okay. And a quick follow-up. So in terms of adaptive management, just all MOA and this water quality analysis, water quantity, you guys looking at things like climate change Now everything's on fire, reading about, you know, a big, you know, one of those towns down there is on fire, Company Gorge. They're seeing fires over in Idaho or Utah or wherever. They're predicting, you know, droughts going on and all this, you know, I've seen a lot of snow in the mountains. Wells have been drying up, things like that. So we're like, okay, so what does that mean in terms of water management, water quality, in terms of access to water, you know? We used to work at the water plant down there, you know, for a while. I was an operator and people didn't realize how important that water really was. We had the fire trucks roll in, you know, and I was working a 27 hour shift. And I was like, they're like pulling in, what's this place? I'm like, it's a water treatment plant. You want to have no pressure, you know, in your fire hydrants. This place goes down and immediately, man, they sent engines, you know, both sides of the building, you know. What do I believe, you know, because it's, you know, fire season and I was hungry, but didn't have no lunches or anything.

And I'm like, come on, man.

And to be the small kid is stupid anyway. But yeah, it really kind of let people know that it's really important for us, you know, in terms of when you turn on the process, you know, there's something that's got to come out. Someone's responsible for that. And it's got to be safe. It's got to be healthy. It's got to be nutritious for everybody, you know, healthy. So, yeah, I'm just kind of wondering if that gives a role in your guys' thinking and long-term visions. Oh, absolutely. Yeah, Jonathan, you just listed about, you know, 10 really deep questions. And I think, you know, right now, One of the challenges we have is we really need to prioritize our resources. What do we want to know? We can't snap our fingers and do a 10-year study and have advanced modeling of the entire basin done in the next couple of years. And it takes a ton of money. It takes a lot of effort. It takes a lot of resources to push those through. It takes a lot of time. In a state when groups like USGS and some of the others that we would normally look to for leadership in those areas, they're not doing very well. They're resourced in. So our ability to sort of increase our understanding, our knowledge is somewhat limited. So I think the best thing we can do is go through and really prioritize, what do you want to know? What do we need to know about our systems to make sure that we maintain public health, and ready to go in the face of a changing climate and volatile systems that are going to be beyond our control. Yeah, that's kind of where we've had to adapt our thinking to where like they can't do everything. If the world's on fire, as you describe all these different challenges, what are the ones we really need to focus on? What's mission or mission here? And then let's work together to branch out from there. So that's okay. Let me let me jump in there. Sure. Time change to then. Yeah, and I just want to point out that our city is leading the way with the climate pollution fee that we just passed this last couple of weeks ago. And so what that's going to do is that's going to take some of the negative externalities, the costs associated with burning carbon, and it's going to be in the upfront cost of new homes. And what that's designed to do is a long-term policy like you're talking about right here, That would be an example for other communities around here. It's a small step. It's certainly not perfect, but I think it's a positive step. And we're one of the communities leading in the state for that. So we take it very seriously.

So have we implemented any, honestly, they have projects going with these water sheds and these tributaries. Are we partnering up with other counties? Do we have anything going with Austin? I think that's where the conversation is heading.

Let me let me wrap up this last slide because I think that that's where we're heading of what can we do? What are the what are the area where the localized impacts? related to tributaries, whether it's flows, whether it's fish, whether it's just the ecological habitat, where do we want to prioritize our efforts and what changes could be made or updates to the mitigation program or other programs or other efforts to improve those areas. I think that's where we're exploring where we want to be effective. Okay, let's, so the last, let me just wrap this slide up here. All great questions and dialogue, everybody, thank you. The current consultation efforts are focused really in two areas, recognizing the Confederated Tribes of Warm Springs role in the mitigation program. When you pump groundwater and then take a surface water and put it in stream, that's a transfer. And the tribes have a right to review transfers in the effort to shoot space, and that's outlined in your settlement in 97. So helping make sure that everybody recognizes that as that program moves forward, the tribes have a role in this. and then extending the program. It's currently programmed to sunset in 2029. That's just around the corner in water terms. And it also has a cap at 200 cubic feet per second, a volume cap, a rate cap. And so what we're asking, what we're working together to do is to update that language and then extend the program 10 more years so that we can work on some of these collaborative things that we've discussed. And then to that end, we've been preparing for the 27 legislative session. So there's a legislative concept that does these two things. The governor's office, along with Oregon Water Resource Department, has worked with tribal staff to incorporate some language, preferred language, into a legislative concept while also extending it 10 years and has a basic framework of a legislative concept that we like, that we agree. So kind of a nice moment that tribes and cities have worked together to produce a legislative concept that the governor's office has produced and put out there that, you know, we're generally happy with. It's not perfect. And others will critique it here as it makes its way towards the 27th session. But I think it's good just to stop and recognize there's a substantive result of the work that we've been putting in. Last slide. I'll be quick here. The monthly consultations will continue, you know, we'll take a break here and there, but our current focus is really helping to explore what science we want to add to our mix. The Desheets Basin in Central Oregon is one of the most well-studied basins in Oregon. Let's keep it that way. So, whether we co-apply for grants that will bring funding here that will help increase our understanding, maybe it's pursuing some of those watershed enhancement projects, you know, there's work to do here. And so we're working together to explore what those collaborative efforts might look like on the science side. And these last two bullets, these are some of my favorite ones. September, October, that's usually about the time that we host some hikes in our watershed. The City of Bend is recognizing 100 years of water collaboration with the U.S. Forest Service this year, and we would welcome any tribal interest or tribal council interested in walking through the watershed. we'll bring you to the top six miles downhill is a long way it's a long way i think it's more than six months like ten but it's but it's a it's an absolutely beautiful walk through a pristine watershed and you can stop and we can take have a couple of conversations about what life was like 100 years ago and even beyond and just how we shepherd this resource. And it really connects people with that. I think that this hike was maybe the inspiration partially for Councilor Broadman at the time to make sure that this effort went forward with the tribes. Anybody who walks through the watershed, I think comes out with slightly different person. And then lastly, I know one of the things that Austin had said to us at our last meeting was that they would like to pull the curtain back a little bit and describe some of the tribes work perspective and that was really helpful for us to hear we get so focused on our city and our water system and the pipes and the pumps and the water rights and just our little system upstream to where it's good for us to step back and look at the bigger broader columbia system um and how uh the perspective of the river people so we're looking forward to some of that dialogue as well so again that's all i have for you as a as a update for today happy to answer any questions yeah a comment or a question i wanted to follow up with jonathan talked about the mitigation

Not to dissuade or just whatever, just to argue, but I don't want us to mitigate everything to death. I've heard that word used since I started working from home. And I was like, mitigation isn't funded. Then it's just words. You don't want to, you know, if you're saying, well, we'll mitigate this by doing this, but we don't have money to do that. I'm supposed to feel good. not really a feel-good type happy guy but i do want us to back up that talk follow up as we talk because i don't want us to end up with uh paper water unless we ended up with paper fish so let's let them in the room on our side of the table we understand what happened when promises are given to us that we're going to get all this fish back and they never come well we're sitting at the bottom again right down here at the bottom of the receiving end of this water I want to make sure, you know, and like I told you guys when we first met, you know, let's make it meaningful. And you are, you are making the ad open that door. I just wanted to, again, keep making it meaningful so that when this happens and as we move forward, that I'm glad you're talking to Austin and I'm trying to get, I'm asking Josh, what he wants me to tell you guys. He's trying to get on, but he can't get onto the call here. So, so I just, again, when you say mitigation to me, I get a little nervous on that word. I understand what you're saying. But I've heard that word used different times in my life, and it's like, I'm still waiting for those things to happen and getting into bed here.

I understand. I hear measurable impact, right? Like making sure that whatever we're doing is a valuable, measurable impact. And tying that to flows and fish, I think is something that we want to discuss and figure out how we do better. Yeah. I'm very familiar with how that works.

Thank you, Mike.

I just want to share it. You know, I came in this meeting and I offered a prayer to someone. I'm thankful Mike had asked, you know, the importance of prayer. Because the Creator put us on this earth. The Creator put the laws more about being in the water. From Tushpine to Amatushpine, Wanatushpine to the ocean, as you talk about. in which we have to negotiate a big treaty with Canada regarding water rights. And it comes down between those tribes. And then there's other tributaries that go, Snake River, you go all the way down into Nevada, Idaho. Many of those tribes are having to negotiate that big treaty. And just as Captain spoke about was putting negotiations and promises on paper. us when we look to the water as we pray every day and pray for the water because it's it's a lifeblood of every living thing as i spoke about the water it's a gift when we got put to this earth the water was there salmon said yeah forefathers and foremothers that have spoke to defend and to provide, you know, the MOUs and working government to government and the importance of why water is. You know, some people, they take it for granted. And wouldn't that give from the Climate change is really affecting our water today as we look to how that water goes back to the ocean, how that ocean provides back the snow and the rain and everything that comes back to our mountains. It's a gift that we have that somebody in the United States probably wishes they had when you look to our Cascade Mountains. When you look at them, be thankful. Thank the mountains for the water that it provides to us. The water can't speak for itself, and it's true, you know, we've got promises on paper on our salmon, we've got promises on paper on our water, and, you know, it's something that we truly have to, as we listen, truly listen with your heart, you know, don't listen here, listen with your heart to why water is so important to us. as that snow, as you see the snow slowly fade off those mountains, you know, through the water, and that you truly be thankful each day that when you see that snow come and say, all right, thank you for the snow, because it sustains everything. It's a lifeblood, so, you know, it's important that we continue our, you know, our, our works that we'll use and, you know, know the sincerity to why water's important to us. And, you know, to over, um, populated areas where people are just not taking into consideration. Well, you look at Utah where they built that city and, you know, 35,000 homes that were not watered for about a year and a half. I looked to our relatives in Idaho, the Nespers, they built facilities within our own tribal lands in the water. You know, the buildings were done, but they couldn't open them because they didn't have water. So those things, we truly got to be thankful for them because we wake each day and told Mike, We wake up and we thank the Creator for a new day. Tomorrow's not promised to us. It's not promised to the water. It's not promised to every living thing above the surface. So as we offer our prayers every day, we pray for the water every day. We pray for the abundance of water, because if the water goes away, none of us will have life. So just wanted to share that. Thank you.

Thank you. Yeah, I really appreciate those comments that you made too, Captain, because I wonder, If this is enough, the legislative action that's proposed is going to be enough.

This is just, I think what I would say, this is just one piece of the bigger conversation. It's the one piece that's in front of us right now, but there's a whole water basin collective that's been going and a lot of other future rules and programs that we need to be doing together. So maybe we can talk a little bit about that structure.

I agree 100%, Councillor Francis. This isn't about, this is really just the timeframe. This is the 10-year window, hopefully, to give us the time to develop a basin-specific program with tribes, with the irrigation districts, with other environmental interests. We generally look at 2028 to 2033 as that timeframe to pull that together and then put together a set of updates in advance of the 2039 sunset, the new sunset. So you're right. The substantive conversations about all of the neat and interesting ways that you could update the program and better work based on our new understanding and priorities is yet to come.

Yes, you do have Anthony Rodman in religiously. That's one of our key people that we need to continue to support as well.

I have a quick comment. Bridget Johnson and I, we're part of the CRPC, so we're commissioners on that. We just had up in Leavenworth, their mayor actually came in and talked about the relationship that they they build and establish and some of the successful outcomes of this this um management combined shared management plans and i think um we're hosting it next month no short notice but he got up and he talked about talked about the discussion that's part of the commitment and that's part of the it shows we share we share um that management shared their success stories. And they were able to flex, more or less, and I'd like to share, I'd like to flex, and be able to invite you guys and give a question about this management plan, and just share those comments and simply read the steps. And this is positive, I think, because, I mean, up there in Seattle, Seattle's bigger than Ben, I mean, but they have, they're working with catch basins, filtered catch basins, and they're working and like you talk about this there's already some some parts of the world already invented that they're working with and i think it'd be good to see and there's catchphrases that's where a lot of cats were that um went off and we were talking about the teflon since the real classes are done all that so yeah yeah i think i mean it'd be good enough to invite you absolutely i think that would be great to share ideas from other places that are having successes share what we're doing as well i'd like to do that appreciate it We'll put Jonathan in his contact list.

The other thing that was of importance of our regional governance for TNI was the issue of invasive species inspections because a lot of our communities are going outside of Oregon to recreation with their boats and all that. the enforcement and the issues like mussels and all the other invasive species that they're bringing back on those boats and we're lacking inspections of, you know, the invasive species where people can go out and recreate. Then they go to the local car washes and they rinse all of those contaminants off their boats and those are some of the big issues that we have. You know, the algae of our areas where it's growing more and more regional governance and affiliated tribes and Northwest Indians for Oregon, Washington, Idaho, Montana, Nevada, California, they've been bringing up those issues. And as I see more and more in Madras, you know, where everybody's going out, but I'm seeing all these, when I do travel on the highways, I'm seeing Oregon boats going to there's no enforcement. I think we need to have the enforcement of invasive species inspections because of the growing mussels that are brought to different areas. You know, just like the noxious weeds, you know, when people go out and they're tracking, they're bringing the noxious weeds to smother out our Indians, which is some of the things that, you know, are a big concern to us when they come in I guess that too is when they bring their little ATVs and riding around certain areas that are closed to the outside and bringing those noxious weeds from other areas. They're not native to Central Oregon. So one of them was one of our foods that are getting ready to grow. That's what's going on now is because all them ATVs are being utilized and then they come back and they're providing those noxious weeds and others to smother out our Indian foods. I think that's the other thing, too, with Central Oregon is, you know, bringing back and hopefully opening up more to invasive species inspections because mussels is a big growing issue and that's been the discussion in the region.

I think if there are ways that we can lend our voice in support of things that you're asking for, like more enforcement or different regulations, please let us know. because we want to help support those changes, even if they're not something we can do, but we can help lend our voice to your regional government as well.

I wanted to follow up on the algae, the comment. I know that's really important for us, specifically because we have our domestic water supply and the cyanobacteria, you know, that can do some damage, you know, and just right now they just have it with animals and dogs and cats in a meeting, I think, in Badgeris about it to discuss it, what it means for economics and COVID and stuff. But our question would be, what kind of health effects does it have on humans? I mean, you know, when I was working down there, I know we can, yeah, we can destroy the organism. We can surround it with chlorine and kill it. But when it disintegrates that wall, it releases all of those toxins and you got to remove those toxins and filter them and sargons. get them out of the water so we're not drinking them and so that was really one that we had to address and it takes a lot of chemicals to clean and you know it's like we're adding more chemicals to root out the chemicals and pretty quick you're in a whole slew of chemicals you know and yeah it gets challenging so i know upstream i don't know whether those are point source contamination non-point source contamination who does the monitoring for that kind of stuff you know that'd be really good to someday kind of figure that kind of stuff Just quick response, Jonathan. I think there are a lot of people right now that are focused on water quality of the Deschutes River and there's a lot of studying and monitoring that occurs in different spots. One of the things that we've realized is that it's pretty disjointed and there's not a lot of great information sharing amongst the different agencies that are charged with monitoring water quality. We take several measurements throughout our city on temperature, on TMDLs, excuse me, temperature, total suspended solids. We don't test for sunscreen yet, but at some point, you know, these are real concerns in an urbanizing community when you have a beautiful river through it. But then we realize that there's a lot of people at the irrigation districts that also have to do monitoring. And then DEQ does monitoring. And then the Oregon Water Resources Department does monitoring. But it's all in different spots. And so I think maybe for the purposes of today, like what I can do is with the MOU, our ongoing consultation is bringing back a water quality topic for our team to think about and how we tell that story of water quality along the Deschutes River. We can add that to our topics for the MOU discussions. And I think at one at first just you know pull the curtain back and tell the story as far as what studying and monitoring is occurring right now because there's a lot and i think you'd be impressed but there's there's a lot of work to do in terms of like actually making changes to the river to improve water quality health you wanted to follow up quickly too with that i just came from a recycling conference from karen manning last year and we were talking about those uh forever chemicals you know plastics and we're talking about with your food as like all this stuff can leach those microplastics into your food and in the water system into us make its way into the food chain you know and i'm like man maybe if we start really looking at what we're consuming and we start you know educating folks and start trying to like bring them in and show them these things maybe we can start making little incremental changes and one day

Thank you, Mike. We have two more topics. So we can grab lunch. Do you want to eat while we do the other topics? How about that? OK. All right. Great to grab some food and go back to the table.

That's good. Okay. What did you say?

Looks like everyone did.

It's awesome. So now we have Renee who's going to talk to us about collaboration on art.

Yes. Good afternoon. This is Renee Mitchell, Communications and Engagement Officer. And I have the really fun job of talking to you all about art and providing an update on our previous conversation. So I'm going to start with a roundabout. Last time we met, we discussed the idea of collaborating and placing art at Fooley Road and Highway 20. Since then, Eric came in touch with ODOT, and they have sent to us their process and their guidance, which is on the next page. So this is what they like to do and how they like to go about placing the art, and I'm just going to give a few highlights for each of these steps. So with preparation, develop a selection process and the criteria, public input, They recommend that we talk to community members and hear from community what types of themes they would like the roundabout to portray. And then we establish a selection committee. So we would work to establish a community between the tribes and the city of Bend. And it's with me that team locally, there's a lot of work in the arts and they might want to partner with us as well. And then we would develop a request for proposal. So we would send out requests to artists throughout the region, throughout the state, inquiring if they would be interested in submitting ideas for this roundabout piece of art. And then we would all review, we would put on display for public input, so public would have an opportunity to vote, share their thoughts. And then after that, we would, the selection committee rather, would select the final piece of art and then starts the process of designing it and getting ready for the installation.

Great.

Any questions on that?

So far as next steps for forming that group and that committee to work together? Yes.

Next steps is that we would like to form a committee to work on the plan, the criteria, the process, as well as the selection committee.

Great. you know, making murals within the city band. Ooh, that's neat. That's where it is. As you travel into Poplinish, Washington, you travel into the Dalles, Oregon, you see how the murals talk about history, show the history. They show the Native culture on a lot of the buildings, and none of it's ever been defaced in any way. As you come into Lerner Springs, that's been put up and that's real beautiful to see as well as you pull in the orange springs market you see the artwork that was done by tomabilla and right across from there and the ymu center there's artwork that was done on the side of the building there and certain areas within the reservation the skate park and so none of that was ever defaced in any way but if you go They're just where they have the middle salmon on the cross. It's beautiful to see, and as you come down to our tribal admin, you see the model of one of our food gatherers that's right in front of the admin. It's beautiful to see something like that, or to see maybe a metal scaffold where people old ways like that, but also to maybe to fix the Smith rocks or line up and these people and some of our people on the river, you know, maybe doing a replica of certain attributes like that, putting the salmon and maybe a scaffold or something in that roundabout to kind of recognize that history of warm springs and what we you know as native people as human beings used to use hearing the stories how they used to these have to come down to the river and then they used to have to carry the water to the top because they think they're finding the spot of all these candies you know utilizing the bellies of the animals to carry the waters you know the sacrifices that the story of how they carried themselves. Some of the things that we talked about, I think, in our last discussion with Andy was maybe bringing murals to some of the businesses. Providing opportunity for murals and history of our people. He brought it to the event. Other communities do it. Columbia does not. Yeah, they have murals. beautiful to see that, you know, people can come and familiarize themselves with, you know, our culture and the history of the ones who was here. You know, people recognize.

But you might want to be on the selection. Thank you for volunteering. And great to hear about murals. That's what we need to talk exactly about that. We want to do that one as well.

Actually, you inspired this idea at our last council meeting. So the next couple of slides are some murals around Bend, just to give an idea of what we see. The Tim Paine Alley Art Collection. And then the next one actually highlights a Native artist, Alyssa Scott, So this is on Franklin Crossing building. It was a partnership with the Form Strengths Community Action Team and an arts organization involved called Scale House. I believe at the time she painted this, she was 18 years old. So what we would like to do is develop a mural program. And next slide, please. So this is Citi Bend's first mural program. So there's lots of murals across Citi Bend, of course. And what we are doing is establishing a visible identity in the core area. So it's an area right by . And in the next six months, we're going to identify a process, a committee, very similar to the roundabout process, and do a call for artists, select artists, and paint two murals in the next year, starting January 2027. And we'll be doing a call to Native artists. And we'd love for you all to be involved in that process as well.

i know um first time we ever discussed it was when we were talking about the roundabouts and the uh the middle and that idaho which we brought up idaho's doing theirs and they they didn't just put the tribe local tribes in that but they put you you got the farmers when they first came they settlers and they brought that they could make that part of their our programs when we talk about the drawing about school that's there right and just the barrels

Mike Wilberg , The Capacity Collective, Your structures, I mean they have.

Mike Wilberg , The Capacity Collective, That so far absolutely yes, but I know. Mike Wilberg , The Capacity Collective, You guys you guys are talking about what do you guys just got some infrastructure road for that part of that so. Mike Wilberg , The Capacity Collective, For some of these improvements are really.

Mike Wilberg , The Capacity Collective, Paying for the arts i'm not sure.

How would we budget? We're sort of, as a city, we're setting aside some funds. We've also been talking to BBK for grant opportunities as well.

And there's, it's a local grant, but we have committed to move on. Okay. All right.

Any other questions?

Great. Thank you for the update. And then I think next we have Brian with our road plan update.

Hello again. Thank you for hosting. Thank you very much. Excellent. Excellent. And today just as an opportunity to begin having a conversation with you, council, regarding an opportunity for consultation and collaboration on a project that will be taking place in Kent over the coming years. its process starting this fall if you haven't when you started some of the initial work but it's sort of it's a long-term project it's a project that's going to last for years and so this is a great i think opportunity to have a conversation with you to gauge your interest as to whether or not you want to provide more computation your values, your concerns in this project that will shape events over the next two decades and then potentially long term. So in Oregon, we have laws and rules that require us to adopt plans that are in a 20 year time variety. Some of those in the council direction, in the further council direction, we may be looking at a longer planning period upwards of, say, 50 years. And this plan is really around our land use and how them will grow over time. And so we wanted to take this opportunity to share with you to see if the tribal council is interested in continuing conversations, either with you, the staff, as we go forward in this project. So let's go into maybe perhaps the next slide, please. So what is a growth plan anyway? There's a whole bunch. You work frequently with the state and the feds, and so you know the body of laws that we all have to navigate together. I think your body of laws are much more complex than ours. You're dealing with the state and the feds. In our case, we're mostly directed by the state board. And so the growth plan we're talking about is really a couple of different main subjects. First, housing, and then They have equity and accessibility in this project, as well as climate and resiliency. So there are different topics that this plan will address. These plans ultimately get adopted by our city council. They ultimately have to be approved by the city board. And so part of this process, our city council is really excited about doing a better job at engaging different members of our community and really catching a very wide net and trying to do a better job to staff and as an entity trying to gather and bring together many voices to inform this planning process. So in terms of housing, for example, where are we going to live? What do we need in terms of our housing? What are the locations of housing? What are the types of housing? What's the shape of housing? What kinds of units do we need? Let's look at affordability levels, of course, that's critical. And just to answer some of those questions, in terms of jobs, what kind of economy has Bend prone to be planning for in the future? And how can we establish the land base, the infrastructure to support the kind of vision of an economy in Bend's future? How do we create a plan to do that? In Oregon, you know, we use the term land use and, you know, that can be a loaded term. And Oregon uses this quite extensively in our job. And I have two other co-workers here, just really quick, Elise and Brianne, they're on the team that does this work as well. And in Oregon, they use the term land use. They are talking about how land is used, but we have to recognize too that land is not just serving that function. So also in the transportation, travel around the city, but this can extend into other aspects as well. What about transit and connections of transit to other places, including this area, this location perhaps matters. I know we have certain counselors that are really addressing um the issue of transit they're really really keenly aware of trying to do a better job in planning for and funding transit um so how are we going to travel around the city and the region and how do we reduce our reliance on mobile because as you know everyone driving around in their own car tends to create more carbon emissions which tends to contribute to climate change which then back to the first conversation we had about water So reducing that reliance is an important part of this plan. In terms of equity and accessibility, how do we make sure that housing, jobs, and transportation are, all these city amenities in terms of land use and our infrastructure are equitably distributed across the city and to people that have historically been either disenfranchised, underserved, and to really take a closer look at the patterns of segregation patterns of negative impacts that the city has been either a part of or have been created in our city to try to heal those wounds and at the same time provide better access to those amenities going forward and then in climate resiliency you know how can we achieve cities climate goals the state's climate goals state has goals on reducing our greenhouse gases this plan has to comply with those requirements. So there's an additional challenge with it as well. So how do we also address risks that are natural risks, but as we build into the natural environment, these are risks to human health and safety as well, notably wildfire as well. So next slide, please. So we're coming to you early. We are beginning as a staff to do this work, kind of getting ready, getting ready, so to speak, and pulling our team together. And this work will take place, as you see, there's a 20 years, basically next year, really starting next year, all of it in 2029 and 2030. So this is not a six month turnaround or one month turnaround. This is more of an opportunity to have a longer conversation. and and i'm i'm really excited about that most projects the city the city moves at a certain pace and it can be difficult for even me to stay in tune with what's going on i'm i'm usually a step behind honestly of all the things that are going on but this project allows us to have more time for more conversations and consultation we do have steps in this work and these are Growth Team, kind of determined, based on state law or really boiling it down to a couple main steps first we're trying to figure out what are the future needs for to support growth in terms of housing and in terms of creation. Growth Team, And then, after you determine those needs say Okay, well, the city abandon our urban area inside of our urban growth boundaries there's there's a there's an event and there's enough land there's enough to be in that. Growth Team, To provide for some of those future needs, but there's often going to be an additional need to accommodate more people and more jobs. Growth Team, So, then it gets to the more interesting point and I remember, which is okay, how do we provide for that group, how does the city grow, what is the shape of the city always growing up more densely which uses more or uses less land or do we expand. the footprint of the city by expanding that urban growth boundary? Or do you do both? So these are complex conversations.

And step number three, I think, is really the most interesting and impactful piece of the work.

And so if you look at expansion of that urban area, that begins to open up some really interesting questions. There are options. How many are you expanding? And there are pros and cons to any of these decisions. And so getting, for example, on protecting certain lands, values on the river and the riparian corridor, for example, come into play strongly there. There could be places in the area of that are more resource rich and more important to you.

than other places, but they all may be important as well. So getting your input there is very important. In all these stages, it is important.

But that one I think in particular, and what is the shape of Bend in the future, is really of critical importance. And then after we finish this kind of work around, here's the shape of the city, here's how all these land uses fit together, we then try to mesh our transportation system to it, right? So, then the next slide, please. And so a big part of this is to work with our community. And when I say our community, it's the larger community, including Confederate child services. So we have different approaches to engagement, where in some cases we may be having small conversations, targeted conversations, We're doing our best to try to meet people where they are rather than expecting them to come to Bend or come to City Hall and sit in a stuffy meeting and be a lot more fun. For example, you're outside, you can feel the wind in your hair, you can look at the river, for example. In other cases, just going to neighborhoods, going to places where people are already meeting. This is a photograph of an event that we, I think it was City Fest a few years ago, where we hung out in the park. It was really cool to see people walking from their homes coming down and just providing their input. And this is an example of a younger person putting a sticky saying, this is what I want in the future. This is where I want Ben to be. This is important to me. So try and meet people where they are, being transparent about the process, some of the legal requirements, how we're all trying to figure this out together. These are all challenging questions to answer. There's no one answer. But coming together, I think, and understanding where people are at is really important.

And then providing education, building relationships along the way.

So I reference Brianne and Elise because they are younger than I am. They are going to be here, hopefully, working for the city for decades beyond me. I wanted them to be here today so that we could have that experience, start building these relationships. The earlier discussion with Mike, it shows, I think, the power of those relationships and the relationships take time. And I think that there's potential here to begin that kind of coordination, communication, consultation on land use as well as water, if it is something that the tribal council believes is important. And then we're doing that, as I mentioned, focused engagement. 2SL LGBTQIA plus immigrants unhoused folks. So we're really trying to reach out to community members that historically, either through the city's process, have not been a part of those conversations on land use. And so the intention is to make it a private. Next slide, please. And then lastly, just questions. Scott, if you still have some brain power after eating a lovely salad. So when it relates to growth, just an open conversation about, you know, what kinds of questions or concerns you may have around dense growth. Another question. So we talked about humans and then back on humans, but

Well, they're there now, maybe some out there. However, how many? Because I know I've got to watch some people. We used to watch Gerald when we go in there. Then we watched our first was Mountain. Mountain was first. Then Ben was also there. But Mountain View, that deer, you could see them. Then they did Summit. There was a thing that's not typical up there for a while. And then he got hit by a car. It was there for seven years. People in news media, famous, and then we have, is it Carlisle? Caldera. Caldera. Caldera. Caldera. And that would be the same thing. Is that part of the impact?

Do they do that study? Well, it can be when it comes to our work. So, for example, the last time we did this work, the last one year, glad. We were looking at, okay, how do we expand and where do we expand this urban growth boundary? We decided as a city, we needed to expand the program. And so in the analysis of where, we took into consideration the deer and elk migratory patterns. There were certain areas where we worked with ODFW, for example. Where do you know of active elk migration patterns, herds that are active in the area? and then also where are the areas you should avoid and where where are the higher concentrations so that we're not urbanizing better for example so there are some features that were built into some of the west side development that have these tracks of open space as a potential mitigation measure and then also just to avoid areas that are i would say resource rich um ideally you want to avoid those areas instead of urbanizing

You sometimes see we reinvest in another area, so they'll have that gone. So again, I thought they knew their negative impact, so they're going to invest and try to take care of the problem.

Is that part of the plan in any way? Not aware of a city program that's pointed towards deer and elk restoration, unless I'm

Eric is much smarter and comprehensive than I am. I'm not aware of anything. Nothing I can think of. Nothing I can think of. OK. So and then magisterial structure rezoned to expand. So part of that, I mean, rezoned and expanded further and further out. So the farming community said they could turn it into just the use of water. I mean, it changes that.

So it does change the use of water. Yes. I was thinking about your question, because I think it comes to something that we hear a lot, Currently, a lot of that space is open and we do see deer, other animals and birds in that space. And there is some pain when we cut down trees to build inside the urban growth boundary. And I think about that because that pain is real, that feeling is valid. But at least from my perspective, that becomes part of the conversation We think that the natural world is important and obviously what's here before us. And one of the ways that we can mitigate our impact is to be sustainable in the sense of growing so that we use fewer resources so that yes, we will have an impact because people have an impact, but it will ideally be smaller than if we sprawl out into the countryside, into the forest so that I think we grow more in so that we can time with more impact. So at least that's how I think of it. Yeah, that's a great, that's a great key.

Councillor Mendez is providing an example, for example, of the kind of input that is useful in this, in this problem, which is, this is an individual councillor with his own individual policy perspective, and he's sharing it and he's using his position to work through this project and be like, this is what I want.

And bless you.

But counselors, you all know you can be influenced by other people and other perspectives. And so this is the opportunity to provide this and other opportunities. It's the beginning of a conversation. You can say, you know what, for example, The Tribal Council has thought about this. We would really prefer if you would do more density so you reduce your footprint. We don't want you expanding out forever. That's a concern to us for a number of reasons. One is around water use, for example. The more dense you are, typically those housing units, those dwelling units, they require less water per household. So it could be like a and double the bank in the box, right? You go dense, you use less water, and you're not spreading out across the landscape as much, if that's something that's, I'm using that as an example, the kind of feedback that our council and policy members can take into consideration when they're looking through this kind of .

Is there any, follow-up question? Is there any part of Van that isn't, when all of California moving up here?

i don't think it's just california you have a number of that greater idaho movement that's moving into central oregon and i guess trying to influence oregon's vote to expand idaho so with the majesty I noticed probably in the last five years that we've got an overabundance of Idahoans that are coming in. I think trying to influence a vote in which none of them have came to only two treaty tribes to negotiate anything when it comes to Greater Idaho. Us and the Matillas are only two out of nine tribes that have carried a treaty. We've been up to two partners. I don't know how you feel about joining Greater Idaho, but I do notice that a majority of like Magris, Metellus, and Culver, most of those people have moved in from Idaho. I think they're trying to sway a boat to expand in which, you know, we have treaty rights to our city territories, as well as the Metellus that carry forward on that. One of the things that, like the communities, as you talked about community engagement, was Magris used to do a collage of culture where our Native communities on a day to share culture, share history, share, you know, a time where everybody came to be able to familiarize themselves, but to relate as human beings, not as race, but as human beings equal to this earth as well. Cascade Lobs used to have a festival of nations in that shade where they brought together, you know, like us and the natives and as well the filipinos you know the asians the hispanics he was able to share their history but feel like they were equal to one another you know as we were put to this earth that's what we were taught as we're human beings we're only given a gift from the day we're born to the day we go back to the earth so you know we always have to share respect for one another respect your land for the water and everything so those are some of the things that you know, in my short time of this period, you know, from the upbringing from our grandparents and sharing why we respect one another. And so, you know, that's what I see, you know, as I've been growing up, I've seen Ben grow because my mom went to COCC in Began's beauty school. You know, there was not a house on Mount Washington if you look at where it's at today. And you go and you look between Redmond and Ben's almost a city house. You go out, you shoot your wood, Sun River, and then you go out towards Sisters, you see all the living parts, you know, Three Rivers, you know, all the little communities that are almost becoming one, you know. They've gone beyond, you know, as I see right now in Bend, almost being one city now. Tumalo Bay in the middle, where there was hardly anything, you know. be good to expand within but then again i know you guys have your limits but then again a lot of the animals are put to the spirit as you expand out people are saying oh they're a problem so they're put here before us you know they talk about it being a problem you know they they have they inhabited that area before those are some of the areas some of the things that our parents and grandparents talk to us about and know leave some of those places uninhabited it was uninhabited for a reason because the animals go into there the foods grow there the teas the medicines grow in certain areas so just to share from my grandmother's standpoint when they came and they tried to talk about expansion to move move out beyond is that some of those areas were supposed to be uninhabited for a reason Mainly this water. It's one of them. If we start overtaking and going beyond our means, that creator will take back from us. There's so many things that our elders shared with us. We've got to be truly mindful, you know, what we do and the focus that you guys have. You know, we could sit here and support them again in our hearts. And that's why I say when you listen, listen with your heart. our help from our elders that you know there's certain areas that yeah we'd love to expand and see but then again those those mountains those mountains were a gift to us and you know that we try not to rate the lands as much you know over develop certain areas because they were truly gifts to each and every one of us you know especially the trees the trees are uh are relative to us. What they exhale, we inhale. What we exhale, they inhale. It's like we're brothers to this earth. So as you think about further development, you know, all those things that was shared from our elders, why and what was within our hearts and our minds to, you know, the land, you know, 171 years ago, it was, you know, we had treaties signed and they put us on a reservation, 10 million acres. We knew how to take care of that land. the land took care of us in that same way. Today, we're still trying to speak for all those things that we had at one time. Now we have 64,000 acres to take care of when it was a big land base where all those things was, you know, we didn't have to depend on it. Back then, they had no water. I mean, they had no electricity. You know, they lived off the land. So as we continue forward, you know, I just try That's what they always put within our hearts and minds to be thoughtful about the future. You know, sure, we'd love to expand. I mean, people talking about Ben being the next Aspen, Colorado, then again, you know, what are they, what are people going to do? Are they going to respect the land once they come and spend money or they leave here? Do they even care about the land once they come here and show up? Sharing that history of why the land is how it is You know, that we've always respected it. So I just shared from what was taught to me. And my grandmother sat on this council for nine terms, 27 years. So she spoke, you know, from her heart every time family came to the future of Central Oregon, the future of, you know, our water, our resources. So those are some of the things that was a God-given gift was our resources. So I don't want to overburden it. And then the Creator take back from us. That's what I'm trying to say today that hopefully you'll listen very hard on what we say and what we feel.

Thank you. Thank you.

I want to go back to your initial question asking if we want to be involved. I'm going to remind Timmy that, well, we met with the Department of Land Conservation and Development early, or I think it was last year, this spring, on their goal files and remind you that you really have no choice other involved. You're going to have to come see us sooner than later because those rules go into effect in the spring. Specifically, housing, urban growth, boundary expansion, transportation, bargaining, and. So again, so I truly encourage you guys to come sit with us, partly if not us, our staff. Because, you know, right now, I sat in a couple of the webinars with them, and I was pretty, when we talked, when I got to talk with them, they kind of heard what I had said. And again, I don't think we should be the one asking to sit in your meeting. We should be the other on. You should be there asking us, hey, can you guys come sit with us? Again, they're talking. You hear the talk. That is within our seat of minds. That's within. Some of those places have our names on it, and you guys use them, or not use them, but they're used. So that reminder, and it's hard, again, like we said, it's hard to tell people and remind them of our place when they don't know, and especially if they're from out of state or wherever they come from, and they don't get why we have that say. They don't understand why we have that say or that concern.

And it's hard to teach when someone doesn't want to listen.

And so I think even the councilor in the city itself has turned that corner and willing to listen. That, I think, is positive. But I just want to remind you that as we come closer, that I don't think it's really a question if we want to.

I think we will.

And we'll let you know when, hey, OK, all we want to know is, hey, let us know, not just include us.

Don't wait till the last minute. We don't want to tell us, but then we won't be able to stop you, but we can sure make a lot of employees. Yeah, thank you for thank you for that.

You're absolutely right. Is that there is a set of law and forgetting the exact name and now there are rules. Goal 5 rules that I'll take effect on January 1st, 2027. So they're coming up. Growth Team, And what those rules require. Growth Team, And you're familiar with them so heads up any ground disturbance in the city will have to notify. Growth Team, The confederate tribes and other tribes as well, I think confederate tribes of grant wrong, I believe, climate and I believe the burns pipe as well, of any ground disturbing activity. there are a lot of ground serving activities that occur. So I just want to be, I want to, as a heads up, I just want to share, like, and so what you will get is, you will be receiving notices, and not just from the city of Bend, but from all cities, so.

I get them from Portland. I get them from someone doing a base camp. I get them from . I get them from . There's a lot coming.

And then with respect to the urban growth boundary, The rules require us 35 days before a city council takes a formal action to send you a notification. The purpose of being here today and having this conversation is to save that time. That notice will be sent three years or so from now, but we have time between now and that notification. So how can we work with you? How can we collaborate better? Because we have the advantage of time now. We want to involve you earlier.

Just as a reference point, within Wasco County, they had a UGB process, and they involved the tribes first through natural resources and cultural resources within their review and compliance program. And then they contacted the SHPO, the THPO, You know, there was review of lands where the UGB was proposed, you know, cultural resource studies.

Yes.

So, yeah, it should be very thorough.

Yes, it should be very thorough. Yes, and that's the kind of process that I'm just foreshadowing. This is coming in the coming years. We're not there today. But yes, that's a perfect example of how we can have coordination in these data sources. And, you know, so SHPO is a great source of data. information kind of a clearinghouse but also assisting and working with different different tribes that we are coordinating with and where do we have where are there any archaeological or sites of particular significance and that those need to either be protected well the warm springs should be primary because that's within our seeded boundary yeah

I know there was also community meetings in the Dalles and Warm Springs and Nashville, you know, on the reservation as well as within our ceded lands.

Very important. I'll do that. That brings up a question. I mean, we're talking about education and we're talking about the treaty that, I mean, you guys gave more. You gave more than we, I mean, we retained. How much of your culture and traditional learnings, I mean, We're talking with other, with the police, I mean, the Oregon State Police, I mean, they're going through the culture and traditional awareness, because they're working with us, and everybody seems to be doing that, but you guys, we talk about a 20,000-year proven history here, but we know it's been since Simon Memorial that we've been here, and we're sitting here discussing it since, what, 1877? Or 18... When did Oregon become a state? 1859. 1859. 1859. I'm going to talk about that shore district. That is a real shore district. And we talked about, somebody brought it up, a footprint from way back then. What it looked like back then. What it looked like way back before that. I mean, it was clean, but on top of that, we were able to dig out of every tributary there. But it just, it seems like, even in matters, we had somebody come into ours and say, We gave you guys some rights. Nobody gave us any rights. And they talk about them being dominant. We never did. We never did. We weren't placed here. We always had treaty. And we reserved these rights. But it seems that we have to educate people every time. And it seems that there should be a curriculum. We got to know a lot of kids, my family got to know a lot of kids through sports, through basketball, football, but then you guys stopped that. Then you guys kept playing baseball. It seems like that's where everybody got to know each other. But the bigger you guys grow, we don't need you guys for our games. We grew up learning our history, short-term history, but it seems like you guys have never learned the true history, what that treat is about. I bet even though you're game, I'm not cheating. If you were asked, how would you be able to explain it to somebody?

I would not be as skilled at describing that as I would like to be.

And we have, as a joint body, after we first formed the Simile, we went through the Tribal Harmony training for our leaders, right? But I think there's opportunities that we can do more education for the people of Bend, and there may be opportunities through this growth plan, and we're talking about the past, to include this information, right, and to make sure people are aware of it as to why we are going to be consulting and why we're going to be doing some of the processes that we've talked about today and why we want and are required to have your input so that people in Bend understand that. Because I think you're right, a lot of people in Bend don't know those details and don't understand what the treaty means, what cedar lands mean.

That's what we can ask you to bring to the table at your table when you're talking with other people. I think you mentioned Grand Rounds. That's never been a part of Grand Rounds. area that's always been our area i mean we've been around ground was coastal california yeah and and they're for you guys to have to come up and i mean they they're contributing money for these they're giving some money and they're calling grants to the city then that's what i'm afraid of that are they buying their way in and because over in oregon city they're never part of oregon city but the oregon city trail they bought their own sign their own monument they put it up there and they started claiming tribes that belonged to the Wanchins and the Waskos. And they said, they put it on there and they said, this is our original area, our UNA, they call it. And they placed their own map up there. So when people go there and they study that, that's what they're gonna have in their mind. And that's not the truth. I mean, they're establishing something that isn't true. And it seems that for them to come, we have to sit at table with them and talk about it. And that's just kind of,

I was going to pick up on the thing that we heard before which is that there are some legal requirements for consultation and it sounds like some of the notifications may not actually be as useful as they're intended to be and so one question I would like to hear more about is what would more meaningful participation necessarily going to guarantee some of that. But we have an opportunity for something more meaningful. So what does that look like?

So I know that we're starting to talk about that with other municipalities that are a bit more proactive about that kind of stuff. That question I probably deferred to Lonnie Macy, because he's been working with them to figure out what the notification process should look like. And so some of the more particular pieces of that is when you get into undiscovered archaeological finds. And for you guys, just like this meeting, it has to be public forum. Well, we don't want our archaeological site public forum when they're discovered. Because we initially did that when I first started doing this stuff. And now, all of a sudden, people going out and trying to keep things up. Because now it's public, so they can see it, and they can go out. So legally, now we're trying to figure out, how do we do this new law, and also protect what's ours? Are there other examples? You mentioned Walsh, but we don't even know. Are there other examples where- Portland does. So we're trying to get stuff for their skyscrapers.

Right.

It was more reflecting the legal requirements. And I was surprised, quite frankly, by the Confederated Tribes of Grand Ronde. I was like, oh, that's interesting.

Okay. And so that is just one of the tribes that we will have to notify when we send a formal notice as well.

But also it opened my eyes to, well, now we really should and should we be coordinating with the Confederated Tribes of Grand Ronde as well. So that was like I need to learn more about that I just I just received this email and the learning and all the documentation on this last Friday so i'm sorry that I don't know all the details, the other one regarding. The privacy of archaeological sites, so if you information to a city, my understanding is the law. and the rule allow that information to remain private and not subject to a public records request. It's essentially confidential information. So that was my understanding. Again, I don't know all the details, but I think the state's requirements and their laws are saying, well, we're asking tribes to provide information. We don't want to create a situation where we're creating more problems. So I think the law is trying to address that by saying, information that's kept out of the public record, and it's private information. That's my understanding.

It sounds like you don't have much of an understanding of tribal consultation, according to what we're accustomed to and the thoroughness of it. I know that the Legislative Commission on Indian Services opened the big door when they put in area of interest, because we have reservations seated Barbara Bodine, Norcal PTACC, UNA aboriginal territory usually custom and then the LC is open that door wider for area of interest, so anybody in the state. Barbara Bodine, Norcal PTACC, of Oregon online tribes can be concerned with the whole state and can request review and compliance paperwork from every project in the state which you know we get thousands and thousands of. I used to do the review and compliance for the tribe, and we'd get 10, 15,000 requests a year. And having to go through them, you need to categorize them by what's on their bordering the reservation, on the seeded lands, you know, and then going out like that. But when they created that area of interest, that opened a big can of worms because anybody on the west side, really shouldn't be concerned about the east side there's only two treaty tribes in the state umatilla and warm spring those are the only ones with treaties with reservations seated you know in all of those land boundaries the other tribes aren't so i maybe a 101 on what's relevant you know for treaty tribes and non-treaty tribes would be good for your office No. Yeah, or with our attorneys, maybe, or with the chair, or Culture and Heritage Committee, BNR. Just getting good information about that review and compliance process. OK. Thank you.

I think this is a really good opportunity to the relationship that Mike and his staff have built with your staff to have another staff relationship for Brian and his staff with your staff so that they can learn all this information and meet regularly and start to get up to speed and understand what that's going to look like for us. So I really appreciate you sharing that information and helping us understand that very much.

A really good conversation. I know that it all starts back to how this conversation got started to begin with in terms of consultation, in terms of the tribe and how our tribes are different. So our streams in Umatilla have ratified and set in Congress treaties. Other tribes have executive orders. So when you guys step into the arena of the tribe versus tribe, it gets really, really fast. We have all these established agreements and all these laws in place. And let's go back to the supremacy class, you know, everything in the Constitution, you know, that's written in the Constitution, agreements, treaties made with other foreign nations such as ourselves are the supreme law of the land. So that's where we're bound. That's the foundation of Indian law. So when we look at it and we say, okay, well, I've seen you Mattel, I think we have. and the other tribe is trying to get that, trying to get that restoration. They don't have it yet, and so when you hear about other tribes sparing interceded lands, interceded lands are the areas where, you know, we had control of, we exerted our sovereignty, and so we reserved those, and said these are our seeded lands, we reserve the right to hunt fish, do our ceremonial activities, gather plants, medicines, all that kind of stuff. Then we have the usual crest on the earth, so we have 10 million seeded acres, Then we have our usual custom areas. So we exert our authority and, you know, access towards our members all the time. And those other tribes don't have that. So when they bring it up, it comes from the heart. You know, it's something that our forefathers, these aren't our words, these are our forefathers' words. They're the ones who spoke these words. And so I just want to, you know, give it the weight that it needs. It requires a lot of weight to think of those things and to talk of them. But getting back to this zoning, resources. And that's when mitigation really, really kicks in. Like when they put dams on a river, for instance, their mitigation was, okay, we're going to go out and we're going to make sure that you're storing these fish, how they were, they promised. We're going to keep these fish running, never ever have to worry about fish. Well, like they said, paper fish, you know, we're worried about the fish. 13 of the 22 stocks are in danger, you know, are in, you know, threat of being in danger. So like, okay, well that hasn't, that promise hasn't Well, what is that mitigation? Right now we have access, I've referred, we have access to plants, medicines, roots, berries, deer, elk, et cetera, and seasons. And when somebody comes in and does a development on them, it interferes with our access. So that's what we're getting to when we talk about consultation, meaningful consultation. The zoning, just curious about the confidence, floodplains, wildfire. One of the basis, one of the main reasons for the in developing flood areas, flood zones, and they did down there at Grand Cork, you know, and a lot of people died as a result, you know, unfortunately, a lot of people died. So the federal government said, okay, we need to build these dams for hydro power and to control the floods. So they didn't really control the floods. They just made permanent floods all the way up the river, getting back to tribes all the way up there. And so I'm thinking to myself, okay, our zoning on the reservation, I assume the land use planning community chairman, we don't allow building of houses in our forest areas because of the wildfires, because of our resources. And we don't fill up in floodplains so much. Okay, is that true everywhere in Oregon? And I see Oregon, the comprehensive plan, has it described, but is it happening? I'm just kind of curious if you guys are inputting that and making sure it's in your guys' long-term planning and things like that. So we avoid that kind of stuff over and we put money where, you know, maybe at Jeopardy and stuff.

development outside we're regulating our floodplain to prohibit development in those areas and the city has additional kind of overlays to keep the development off of them off of the river almost the river canyon okay uh we have its uh water lake overlay zone for the laws that kind of does that where you have to be very careful about the kind of building your moving vegetation and things like that so floodplains generally those are protected not building in the most Stapp, The I think the wildfires something our Council community are taking more proactive steps about in terms of reducing. Stapp, Trying to do a better job of hardening the structures that are inside the city, but I think when it comes to looking at the future in terms of if there is an expansion, yes, we look at a virus, but when I look at the maps there's just risk everywhere. Growth Team, It's different kinds of risk, so there are different ways to quantify this and look at it, but when you look at these maps, generally speaking, there's a lot of risk all around us. Growth Team, And so, when we have in recent history done some expansions, typically for more affordable housing, more affordable housing type developments, then the City Council has taken a step, having additional fire hardening requirements, in addition to just like what's typical for

I had this about water conservation and energy conservation plan. I'll put it here to talk about the balance of economic development versus the ecosystem. When we were putting leadership roles, we always talked about the balance of life and the balance of our ecosystem, not getting too much economic development, but at the same time, not getting too conservative and being able to pay your bills and at the same preserve the ecosystem, you know, that delicate balance. And so that's one thing I know that's written into our comprehensive plan and people's plan. If you review it, that's where we get IRMP and all these other plans. So if you look at our planning and you think about that, what our ancestors wanted versus how it is now, you kind of say, okay, well, it looks like we're going down that path, but, you know, it was going to be updated, but it's time to change. So I just wonder if you guys are looking at that too and balancing those kind of things.

City Council Chambers, That when I mentioned that one of the areas will be looking like climate change that is in the past that hasn't been honestly one of the major topics that. City Council Chambers, My city of that is addressed. City Council Chambers, Say decade. City Council Chambers, But it's a new day. City Council Chambers, There are new legal requirements and we have a new city council that really takes us. City Council Chambers, And so, part of the discussion and the different. City Council Chambers, A staff and we haven't canceled will be okay, we have requirements on how to accommodate brush we have our 20 year planning opportunities, how are we going to balance more. City Council Chambers, Other factors related to climate resilience ecological value to work with them on the justice and get there and i'm a staff person and so i'm not the one that. City Council Chambers, Our city council, they call the shots, so there are there might. Growth Team, They tell me what to do so i'm going to work with them say Okay, this is up to our city council what's important to you and then let's talk about how to advance those goals, I think, based on. Growth Team, Different counselors for climate change we're aware of the impacts of growth. Growth Team, How do we balance, so I don't want to speak too much for city council they're all here, but. Growth Team, I think that about right okay.

So that's one final thing. I know when we first started this in this last year, we talked about, I think we were reading articles in the paper about people developing 1,200 units here or 3,000 units there or whatever. And we asked our ST and our attorneys, like, okay, where are they getting water? And four gallons per minute per house, how many houses, you know, that water's got to come from somewhere. And so I think that's kind of what started this.

Yeah, so you were working for Mike DeRose here earlier.

Mm-hmm.

So they, his group, they look at, they have plans, but they only typically go out, say, 20 years in advance. Okay, does the city have been to accommodate a certain amount of road, have enough water to accommodate that road? And the answer is yes, but the realization that as things change and climate change and supplies get more dwindled, that we're going to have to do a better job concerning. So his group has those plans, and then we rely on those plans to say, yes, we can start Okay, cool. Awesome. Yeah, so that's Mike. You can tell Mike is brilliant, and he's very passionate about this, and he's the leader on that fork that we rely on to make sure those master plans look into the future to accommodate the direction we're looking.

He brought up some model structure. I mean, so I know the engineering structure, the infrastructure, put the water, use nice water to build these houses. Is that something that the council, The codes is actually the county codes, or is it requiring the water?

Yeah, all new development has to be able to be actually served by water and water infrastructure.

We do a lot of building and we're having issues with our water. We can just use some of those, some of those, maybe those engineering plans, maybe something we could put in, because we use, we use, so we're not using this kit. I mean, if you got something that you're going with, it does need the same system.

Yes, yeah, just like very simply, their group does a very forward-looking plan that looks 20 years in the future, right? And Jillian is here. She knows way more about this than I do. So yes, from a macro level, what are our supplies like? And then there are individual processes to build the projects. So that's where I'm just a planner. I'm out of this. I'm not very good at that part of it. But Jillian, Feel free if you have a better response, please.

Hi, I'm Julie North here. I work with water services and I have the opportunity to work with our engineering team as well on our integrated water system master plan. And that master plan includes not only a model that looks at what physical infrastructure we will have to build into the future to serve our service territory within our UGB, but also how that model accounts for what we think we can do with conservation. So we do a lot of work with our conservation program, looking at different measures where we incentivize our community members to use less water, both in their outdoor landscape and in their indoor water use. Some of that is done by directing how we build structures with our plumbing cold to use less water with low flow fixtures. And then externally we have water loss control rules in our city code that directs people when they use water in their irrigation systems, watering every other day, watering at certain times of day, things like that so that we can look at how can we grow and watch our water demand not grow as fast. So we come to council and demonstrate how we are trying to control that demand over time. And we've been able to significantly reduce our water demand. So as our population grows, our curve has been flattening over time, which has been a really huge win and a demonstration of the commitment, not only by our city, but also the community members to respond to what we've asked them to do voluntarily. So does that answer the question or?

Okay, good.

Yes, yes, and and we have so yeah, we have both the but I can go into detail. Yeah, okay.

Yeah, it was cool because I got to go to the Deschutes Water constituency meeting last year. We had about 60 people there and biggest question was how many of them were born and raised in Bend? Out of 60, maybe 12. 12 raise their hand. So as we sit here and speak, like Captain said, you know, there's a lot of people that are moving into this, not familiarizing themselves with the land, knowing that they can come here, build a house, have a future here in Bend, but not knowing the importance of, you know, our ground and our surface water, you know, the quantity and the, how it was shared that we're, we're a sustained community for another 50 years, but then again, You know, I sat there, and none of those were native people born and raised there. So more and more people are coming and inundating themselves here in Central Oregon. Desirable place to live, but not known and understanding. So just when I see, you know, like here, City of Bend, how many of you are born and raised in Bend? One. Okay, so that's what I'm saying. We've known, you know, our land and tried to secure it and everything. Those questions are raised by, some of them actually moved from Madras because they knew of the water problems. They knew their businesses, their farms sold from Madras because they knew they were going to make money and sustain themselves. They moved in the Bench. So they had a bunch of questions about the future of water for Benner because they knew it else. Okay, well, we already dried up the resource in Madras. let's move our business and our farms to Bend. So those ones that were the main ones speaking up at the Sheets Conservancy was, you know, it's the future of water. Are they going to bail because we're starting to run out of water in Bend? Are they going to go somewhere else? You know, you see the drought conditions. You see the farms in the state of Oregon are suffering. The vineyards are suffering because of the lack of water, the drought emergency that's been called. of our decisions in the future of water. When I attended that meeting, you know, it appalled me. I thought, I said, well, maybe I'll see half the hands of people from Ben. And as we speak about, you know, our sovereignty statement that was here yesterday, we're here today, and I'll just be here tomorrow, we have to continue to protect that resource, that water. And with more and more people moving in and not understanding why to our roots and how we feel about water in the future. You know, are we tied up in having the water? And, you know, like I said, if we overburden the land and the water, it can be taken from us at that same time. So, you know, that's why I say, you know, as I've seen from the Bend City Council, only one born and raised Bend person to know and understand where Bend was probably and I was living in Bend at seven and seeing how Bend has grown from then to now, in which direction it's going to go. Sun River was its own, Kirk Herd Ranch was its own, but you see everything expanding, expanding, expanding, and as that water started to deplete, it's not an aquifer, but you see Ochacoa Reservoir, it's almost dry. You know, you see a lot of things where know detroit lake they had all that snowpack but look it's already almost dry down on their chest elite they had probably 20 30 feet of snow it's already almost dry again you know the water's drying up in a lot of places so we really have to be conscious of the future of our water so you know as i sat down meeting it you know i sat there and i'm going to see in 12 hands book but people who are born and raised and abandoned that probably no one understands the future of water and um

it's important so i just wanted to share well um great discussion it's a great discussion and uh you know as our as the council comes together you know what well what we're upheld to do is protect our treatment that's our first and foremost is to protect our treaty constitution and bylaws That's what we're sworn to do. That's what we take the oath to do. So when we talk about things of our treaty, our constitution, our ceded lands, our usual custom areas, this is what our nation has put us in leadership to do. This is what our nation has said. This is what you're going to go out and speak, and this is what you're going to go out and hold. This is what you're going to go out. So the simple fact that we're here together, working together, and doing this is great. It's just great. know this is something that i can go report this is what we can report to you know to our community to our people and you know that we are working with the city event you know and i hope that we can just keep working with everybody in this but you know as a lot of you guys are within our seeded lands you know we appreciate that you guys are doing what you can and take care of and that you're listening and giving us the opportunity to hear our voice also you know i hear a lot of discussion about californians coming to But the plain and simple fact is, as you heard, we were here, we'll always be here. Our treaty allows us to be here. Our treaty was formed before the state of Oregon. So I mean, those are things that we must keep pushing forward and we must keep putting out. So just the fact that we're here working together is just a great acknowledgement on both sides. And I'm glad we can do this. I'm glad this is moving forward. but at this time i'd like to present the mayor here with the eternal flag so yeah we were actually going to go out on the balcony to do that so we have the water yeah

Yes.