Arts Commission - Regular Meeting

I call this meeting to order. Can I get a motion to approve the agenda?

I make a motion to approve the agenda.

Do I have a second?

Seconding.

All in favor of the agenda say aye. Aye. Aye. Can I get a motion to approve the minutes?

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Seconding.

All in favor of the minutes say aye.

Aye.

Aye. Do we have oral communications for this meeting?

Yes, we have one online who signed up online and then we also have one in person. So let's start with Lens of Youth. OK, so I'll just read this out first. Yeah, we're going to read something out first and then you're going to get three minutes. OK.

So in compliance with Washington state campaign laws regarding the use of public facilities during an election, No speaker may support or oppose a ballot measure or support or oppose a candidate for an election, which includes your own campaign. Any speaker who begins discussing topics of this nature will be asked to stop. In addition, there are new rules adopted by the City Council limiting the topics about which the public may speak during our meetings. Under Ordinance 6752, the public may now only speak during public comment about subject matters that are related to City of Bellevue Government and are within the power and duties of the Art Commission. Additional information about the new rules of decorum governing conduct of the public during our meetings can be found at Ordinance 6752.

All right, thank you. Now our online oral communications, you're going to get three minutes. You might not be able to, there's a timer in the room. I will give you a little heads up once that timer times out. You can begin now.

Good afternoon, commissioners. My name is Mahika Agarwal.

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Good afternoon, commissioners. My name is Mahika Agarwal. I am a ninth grade student and I'm here on behalf of Lens of Youth, a youth-led nonprofit advocating for people with intellectual and or developmental disabilities, or IDD. There's storytelling, art, photography, and community engagement. One of our main initiatives is Misunderstood Moments, an awareness program that shares real-life stories from people with IDD paired with original illustrations created by youth. Through art and storytelling, we encourage people to look beyond a behavior or a single moment, hear perspectives that are often unheard, and better understand the person behind the moment. Over the past year, we have reached seven cities, more than 50 community events and exhibitions, and collected more than 4,000 pledges for inclusion and launched five free programs. Here in Bellevue, our work has been shared at the Bellevue Library, Victoria Mall, and several community events. Right now, our Misunderstood Moments exhibition is at Crossroads Bellevue through September 16th. We invite you to visit, experience stories, and read the many messages community members have left behind. We are also collaborating with Bellevue School District's Evergreen Transition Program. Students with IDD will create their own artwork and messages to express themselves and share their voices. Our plan is to combine their work with Misunderstood Moments stories to create a traveling exhibition throughout the Bellevue School District. Through Art and Real Stories, we hope to build greater awareness and understanding of IDD while helping students with IDD feel seen, heard, and included. We would also like to expand this effort through an Arts for Inclusion Student Contest, inviting students to use their creativity to explore inclusion, belonging, and understanding of people with IDD. Their artwork and messages could be shared through the public exhibitions in Bellevue, bringing the conversation from schools into the broader community. We hope to explore the Arts Commission's future grant opportunities to support this work, and we would greatly value your guidance and partnership. We would love the opportunity to meet with City Arts staff or commissioners, share more about our plans, and explore how we can work together. We're going to send you an email with our information after the public comment. Thank you for supporting arts as a way to bring people together, amplify voices, and build a more inclusive Bellevue.

Thank you. That was within three minutes. All right, our next public speaker, Mr. Zimmerman.

It's okay, no problem. Hi, my name Alex Everman. Is he high, my lovely Nazi, fascist? Yeah, who you are, yeah. So I want to speak about this because I see something in agenda. You need money. So I want to bring you information about money, what is absolutely critical. Last week I presented a budget hearing, so we don't have a situation, what is from my understanding, don't have one city in America. City budget approximately $1.2 billion. City GDP $150 billion. Do you understand the difference between $150 billion GDP city value and $1.2 billion? Nobody has this statistic. So because in your agenda need something about money, you know, what has been like all commission have need money. So situation right now very simple. And I want what is you come and give proposition to consul because you are You're a zombie, you know what I mean? You don't make decisions, nothing, zero. Yeah, so because it's situation absolutely idiotic. We want from most rich city in America with $100 billion, if we have only $1 billion for people. For example, I cannot find apartment because I disabled, low income, senior citizen, and I have a privilege because I'm old. Yeah, so we don't have money. You understand what I'm talking? It's absurd by definition. It's number one. Number two, you possibly show people faces when speaking. And I'm talking about this for many years in every meeting, not only in yours. And nothing happened. A third time, where is my timer?

One minute.

Okay, thank you very much. And one information I want to bring, because we have a chair right now who from India. So Trump last week make decision about this cut visas for Indian. Because almost in America, all working visa come from Indian. It's approximately statistically something between 85 and 95 percentage. In second, her decision right now, they don't give more... Permission for wife, for example. Yeah, so she have a security number and can work it. I think they totally support this situation because what has happened with Indian in Bellevue come absurd level. 65,000 Indian, you know what this mean? No one city in America have 65,000 Indian from 150,000 people. You guys, is this a joke or what? So this is a very serious problem because we need to stop and we need to make people, American citizens who live here and born here, generation, have right for working. You know what it means for good salary, what is how, for example, Amazon. Thank you very much. Have a nice day, guys. In about $150 billion, you need thinking about this. It's not enough. Thank you.

Do we have any more oral communications?

I believe that is all for public comment.

Okay. So we move on to the thank you all firstly, and we're moving on to the first order of business on our agenda item, which is the proposed donation of raindrop by Suhong. You can sit here.

Oh, wow, this looks really good. All right. Thank you all. Today, I'm going to be asking for action at the end of this meeting to recommend approval of the donation of a new artwork for the portable art collection. Our agenda we're going to go over the background of acquiring art and about this specific donation and artists some considerations the staff recommendation, and then I will ask for emotion at the end. and Let's see, so we have done this various times. Some of you may have a memory of accepting donated artworks into the collection. We typically make sure that the artist was compensated for their work. We typically don't accept artworks directly from artists because there's some conflict of interests in that. We look at aesthetics and the relevance to the collection. If there's available sites and other factors about the artistic quality and merit of the artist. Here are some examples of past donated artworks. Now let's get into it. So I have a colleague here today, Eric Mercado. If you want to introduce yourself and give a little background about the process of how we came to this artwork.

Thank you, Minette. Good afternoon, everyone. Thank you, chair, co-chair, and commission members of the Arts Commission to have me here today. My name is Eric Mercado. I'm with the Diversity Advantage team currently hosted in the Human Resources Department. And I'll be sharing a little bit about the donation that we have proposed here today. So the process that back in 2025, a year ago, we saw an artist to capture the essence of our new city's Diversity Advantage Plan 2035, in which the plan and the art aim to celebrate our community's rich diversity through art. So we commissioned artwork that has been featured in City Hall currently right now, and it's being featured in our Diversity Advantage Plan 2035. so our team did host a call for artists and we received 32 applicants uh total submissions and each artist uh required to submit an artist statement of interest letting us know a summary of their background sustainability for their this opportunity any relevant experiences or achievements that um and experiences with community outreach that they have possessed We also requested for the connection with the Diversity Advantage Plan, a description of how their art practices addresses focus areas from our Diversity Advantage Plan. And then they provided three pieces of examples demonstrating their ability to capture the essence of diversity, equity, and inclusion. After a, we had a rigorous panel selection process with three community members, two community members from our Bellevue Diversity Advisory Network, then Network BDAN, Representatives Amira Jaheim and Diala Esedain. And then we also had our art commissioner, Erica Enomoto, part of the panel as well. Good to see you. And they reviewed all 32 applicants and came together, brought their top four, and then we came together, convened by the staff, and selected our top three candidates to be recommended. We then recommended those to staff, recommended those to city manager Diane Carlson and led with the selection of the recommendation that staff and the panelists provided to her. So we selected local artist Sue Hong to be the artist who has created this beautiful art piece that truly defines who we are as a city and what we continue to strive and ripple moving forward in this country and in the city. So, yeah.

So, Sue Hong wrote kind of a lengthy sort of statement that is included in the Diversity Advantage Plan, which is in your packet. I just pulled some relevant quotes. Hong has an art practice that they've been going on many years, creating these raindrops, and they're these community-focused, all-different medium where people draw raindrops, and the artist creates combines them into a new work or has them you know printed out and on display there's been very many iterations of this project so this artwork is kind of an extension of that practice that they've been doing pulling from all different kinds of inspiration and ultimately resulted in this artwork that's actually hanging right now on the second floor There's a little bit about Suhong. They live in Bellevue. Very fascinating artists if you ever see them around. Highly recommend having a conversation. um so some considerations uh when we started this discussion on do we propose this donation um it's a framed artwork framed artwork usually have little to no maintenance otherwise if it falls off the wall maybe you replace the frame but you know you're not going to do like an annual cleaning it's not going to be very costly to maintain currently we have seen interest from a city manager Diane Carlson to put it in her office. She did have a hand in this. I think it's a great artwork that can be shown off to people visiting her. And then in terms of storage, we wouldn't need to pay to store this if it ends up not being in Diane Carlson's office. And it can be easily stored on city property. So there'd be no costs associated with that. So our recommendation is to accept this donation. We think it is of high quality and is consistent with other portable works in our collection. We actually already have an artwork by Suhong, although it is very different. It is a... on canvas work. This was a print that we're asking for recommendation to tonight. Bunny World is actually around the corner, hanging at City Hall as well. This artwork is incredibly relevant to our themes about who is Bellevue. It has great ties to our mission and vision of the collection. In fact, we probably wouldn't have an artwork quite so strongly tied because it was created with these goals in mind. And then, yes, the sitting, the artwork is easily cited. So I'm going to hand it off to the chair. We do have a new process coming.

few extra words for motions now um if you want to kick us off okay so should we go on with this one then um can i get a motion to approve the approval of the donation of the artwork raindrop by sue hong and its addition to the bellevue art collection i make a motion to adopt it Do I have a second?

I second it.

It is moved and seconded that the donation of the artwork, Raindrop by Sue Hong, is now approved. Oh, yeah. So if we, yeah. Okay, so it's now moved and seconded. The motion is now open to debate it's on the floor, so we can have further discussion and since Charles made the first motion. Do you wish to be assigned the floor to debate your stance. Okay. Anyone else wants to debate their stance or has anything to say?

Oh, I have a thought.

Yeah.

So I think it's a wonderful piece of art. I don't love that it's just going to be in an office.

It's actually... I'm going to answer the question that wasn't asked there. Generally, the public art collection is always in publicly accessible spaces. It's actually in our code about the governance of the public art connection. The few exceptions to that are offices that are kind of publicly accessible. So there are some offices that the council regularly uses for community meetings. And then our city manager's office is pretty much morning, noon, night full of community meetings. Beyond those very few spaces, all of the public art is in open public hallways, community centers. There's just a handful of pieces in those like still publicly accessible, but one step removed spaces. It's a good point to make.

It is. And it's not permanent. This is portable. So, you know, Diane will probably want to refresh that. Um, we like to move our art around. I will also note that because this came from diversity managed team, if they have an event celebrating their plan and they'd like to display this artwork, not out of the question to move it back into the public for an event or maybe celebrating something. And we have a special show. Um, so it's not going to go in the office and never leave. Yeah.

Okay, can you maybe just talk about it a little bit more like the community piece of I because what I'm thinking of, or what I would, I feel like be more like, yeah, of course, like, that's totally fine, is if anybody can just go into her office, and I assume that's not what you're saying.

No. I mean, when she is working, she is in her office. Same is true with the council members in their offices. Though these are offices that are much more set up for public conversations. So there are more regular public meetings. Not public meetings like this is a public meeting that it's like noticed and everyone can come. But there's that higher level of foot traffic in and out. Folks come and go. There are... dignitaries from visiting cities who come into this space. It is a space that we are more carefully curating and how we are presenting our community in that space. I will note it is the only personal office that we approach in this way, where the arts team actually helps to curate and put that vision of Bellevue forward. So this one is the one off. It is odd. I get it.

Are there other pieces in there? What's the history of it and have they been moved out previously?

Yeah, so we'll rotate around. So pieces that are in these locations will rotate along with the rest of the portable collection. So we have pieces in community centers, we have pieces in this hallway, up on there you're used to the second floor, and the pieces in the council chambers. It's not the chambers, I'm sorry, the council meeting rooms. Those get rotated fairly regularly. Probably in that couple year timeframe, not like every month. We don't have that time of staff power. There is another piece by...

Oh, strata.

William Song is in there right now. We just hung that a couple months ago. Those pieces, like I say, will rotate around. And the preference is always to community display. So if there's a request, if there's a show that hangs on the catwalk, we would preference those shows. We are also getting to a point in our collection where there are slightly more pieces than we currently have some spaces for. We are looking to expand the spaces that we hang in and other community centers, but there are some pieces in storage. And this is better than storage. So there is not all pieces are out all the time, if that makes sense.

Thank you.

I think my concern was the accessibility of the piece, which I think you folks addressed well. It essentially sounds like the piece itself will be hung in this office where it will be stored, but it sounds like we have the liberty to allow folks to bring them into their curated exhibitions. For example, AAPI Heritage Month has an exhibition here. I think that sounds good. I definitely motion or will be voting to approve this action as being on this committee. It seems like lifetimes ago, I was like, this sounds very familiar. So I'm glad you affirmed that my brain wasn't just projecting my participation. But I think, as I recall, the process itself was very community oriented and I think that's what I really drove as far as supporting this artist's vision for this work. And then also seeing it just have a home here in Bellevue instead of, you know, having the artists take it to, to be sold somewhere else or something. I think that's amazing. And, the ability to have it being represented at that level in the city manager's office, at least at this time to be the emblem of Bellevue along with all the messages it conveys is like really awesome too. So yeah, I think, I think this is really great and I'm looking forward to seeing more projects that the department brings forward and really working together with various artists to create work that, really shows us this identity of Bellevue. I do recall in the past, we had conversations about, you know, pieces being donated and accepted into the collection. And we had like a, I guess, a fissure of like, okay, why was this like accepted as like, you know, it doesn't really hit the points of like what Bellevue's identity was at the time and certainly doesn't now. But I think this one has a lot of, sustainability as far as its meaning for our community and also really bringing that like diverse perspectives and highlighting what makes our city special with our different cultures and backgrounds and people coming together to make this city great.

Thank you, Erica. Anybody else wishes to be assigned the floor?

I just want to make a funny comment. So I was there in the room upstairs when this was presented, and I was just bragging about an amazing piece of art. This artist is amazing. And I was talking to Suhong without knowing that is wrong. And Suhong said, by the way, I made it. There was a conversation. It was upstairs, I remember, when this was presented. And there was one mention about some change of colors to match. our city's diversity. So anyway, that was a funny thing I want to mention.

I think the artwork actually does look amazing and it's very relevant, even the title of it, given our weather and climate raindrop. It's nice. And I think to what Brendan was saying, I think the, like, I mean, this is like any other art piece that's even hung within the city, the city hall, you know, the timing of city hall, when city hall closes, public can't access that artwork, any artwork, whether or not it's in an office. So I guess this is just kind of an extension of that. Anybody else wishes to debate their stance? Sandra?

Okay.

Okay, so the question is on the approval of the donation of the artwork Raindrop by Suhong and its addition to Bellevue Art Collection. Those in favor of the motion say aye. Aye. Aye. Aye. So the ayes have it and the motion is adopted. Okay, and then we move on to the next agenda item, performing arts center update. Thank you, Eric.

Thank you.

All right. I was like kidding to talk about performing arts centers because I get to use fun curtains, beautiful images. Go ahead and take the next one there. So this is an information only item tonight. I'm going to give you a little bit of a background on this issue. Talk about as we move forward, what is the Arts Commission's role? What is this current study that we are looking at? And what are the next steps? How will you use this information as you move forward in your work? So as some background, the conversation around a performing arts center in Bellevue has a long life. It was part of the conversation when this body was created in the 1970s, and part of your code is actually to provide for a performing arts center. That has taken a lot of different shapes over the years. There have been a lot of different initiatives, city-led, community-led, to really look at how we could deliver this long-sought-out vision for the East Side, that Bellevue as the cultural and economic hub of the East Side should have a grand house for the arts. We are lucky in that we have a really amazing Maiden Bower Center. About at 350, 400 seats, it has got some space limitations. And in the last 20, 30 years, there have been... more direct work towards an 18 to 2,400 seat venue, what we would call a regional performing arts center. In recent decades, a community nonprofit, the Performing Arts Center Eastside, PACE, has really spearheaded this work. They have done some amazing studies. They've been out in the community getting a lot of community feedback. Our intent here is to not recreate that work, but to do some validation as time has gone on and passed since some of those. and really reaffirm the city's stance and place within this work. So why am I bringing this to you all? Because you are the central commission to whom individuals and groups take their concerns about the arts. You also have this code saying that you will establish a long-range plan for the operations of a cultural center. I take these as part of our work within cultural planning. This body of folks isn't going to raise the amount of money needed to build a performing arts center. That is a large, multifaceted group effort by this city. But we, as the Art Commission, you all, are responsible for creating the cultural plan, and that plan can help give us a pathway. So as we are moving into that cultural planning phase in 27 and 28, you're going to see a lot of information about facilities. You're going to see a lot of information about space needs, because as you have heard from our community partners over the last several years, that is the hot topic on our community's mind when it comes to presenting the arts here in Bellevue and the Eastside. You will receive informative updates as this project progresses ahead of cultural planning. You'll have opportunity to talk with the consultants as we go. What the Art Commission doesn't do is direct consultants in that specific day-to-day way. That is the job of staff. But we'll have ample opportunity for conversation. You will absolutely receive a final report as well. So, the request for proposal. We put out an RFP earlier this year. We received eight very solid submissions. The selection panel is going through those now, and we're hoping to make a final selection here within the week and start contracting. And the scope of the work is a little broad with the intent to have some flexibility as we go. They're going to assess current market demands. It's been a while since we've had a market demand look in our community. There's a lot of numbers out there and there's some conflicting reports. So we're also going to try very hard within the study to not recreate the wheel, to not redo work, but to make sure that we can validate what's already done. Particularly, we are sensitive to the cultural community being overstudied. and under delivered around performing arts centers? We've been asking for about 50 years and folks have been given us the answer. We're going to make sure that whenever we can, we're going to utilize the community input that we already have, particularly if it's fresh. And we're going to top that off with some strategic places where we're going to get some feedback that maybe there's missing holes. We want to dive down a little more. There's groups that maybe didn't have their voice heard. We're going to review those recent studies by partner organizations. It's amazing when our partners put studies in the field, we're going to do a little bit of due diligence to validate and verify those. And then we're going to help provide some pathways. What is a decision framework? What are the options in our community? What does a performing arts center built in this day with the magnitude of costs, what does that take? What are the examples and systems out there for public-private partnerships or other models to build a performing arts center? We are not going into this with defined, here's the end goal, but really what can be built and how can it be built. Next steps, once we get our consultant on board, you will receive informational updates and you will be engaged to provide your insights and feedback. We hope to see this final report at the end of this year or more likely early next as they continue through their work, but it should be delivered to you well in time for our cultural planning conversations.

All right.

That's very quick, but it's the first touch. What questions can I answer for you all?

I just want to ask, so whatever PACE did, all of that is going to get looked into here as well?

Yes. So PACE is a partner in this study. We're working both with the Performing Arts Center Eastside and with the Bellevue Convention Center Authority, both of whom have spent some time looking at performing arts centers. Obviously, our convention center runs the current Main Bower Theater. And the studies that PACE has done over the years are available to us to look at as part of this study.

Interesting.

what makes this time different wonderful question there's a couple things that are different right now um there is an opportunity i will say it is not by any means a foregone conclusion but the convention center is looking at an expansion in coming years the opportunity that is different here is that expansion of the convention center and some of the revenue streams that that could make available The Bellevue Convention Center across the street is expanding into the space behind them. And one of the studies we will look at in this is they did a very preliminary fit study about whether a performing arts center could fit within their expansion. So they were looking at their own facility and whether or not they could add that performing arts center function there. So there we are.

You're going to select a consultant next week?

We hope so. There's a formalized process we're going through. We're getting close to final selection, yeah.

And then the next time we will be engaged is to review the final report in December?

No. No, the final report will probably come in 27, maybe at the end of the year, more likely in 27. You will be engaged between here and there, though, to give your feedback along the study.

Gotcha.

And clarification is that engagement with the committee or engagement with the whole?

You know, that's a really good question. I think that there will be probably more intense engagement with the committee, and then an informative session with the commission as a whole, you are, of course, you would have opportunity for comment and feedback, but probably the more in depth engagement would be with committee.

Which committee was that again?

It's a great question. The community committee. Yeah. Yeah. I'm pulling up our committee assignments. Yeah, we have a cultural planning that is Charles, Sandra, and Joy Deep.

I could also see maybe a touch point with the community partners committee as well.

All right. Should we move on to the next agenda? Anybody else? Sorry, go ahead. Microphone.

The convention center, because they're on board, is that what kickstarted this? It's part of it. Or re-kickstarted it?

We've had ongoing conversations, of course, always with our partners at Pace and with the convention center. Pace has been looking at a multitude of locations. They have a really good opportunity at a location there on 106th and I think it's 10th Street. So there's an opportunity for them there. They had also approached the city about if there were other opportunities for location So those conversations have been going on for a little while. The convention center also put out this fit study for a performing arts center. There is an opportunity there that maybe the two combine. Those are independent agencies, though, I will put out. And I think it's important that in this work, to your question of maybe what's different, is for the last several decades, we've allowed the community, I shouldn't say allowed, the community has allowed, and that is great. And it might be time for the city to maybe put their foot down around where do we stand? Do we want to take leadership? Are we going to reaffirm our commitment to a community-led approach by a nonprofit? Is it maybe more of a partnership approach? So I think there's a good time to reevaluate where we're at.

Okay, so sorry, just one other thing. So PACE is still heavily involved in this?

PACE is still an organization, although last I heard, I believe they are changing their name to Avenue 106. So as we continue to talk with them, we will let you know if there's a new name that we should refer to them as. They are still involved. We are talking with them.

No, I was just curious as to what was it that led Maiden Bower take off? Like, what was it back then? Do we know the history?

So I might get the years wrong, but I believe it was 1982 or 86. There was a report called the Dykstra Report that the city... The city commissioned and that report said that as Bellevue grew, there were three things that really needed to become kind of a major city, a global powerhouse. We needed a city hall. You've got to find City Hall, where you're sitting in now. We need a convention center, which is across the street, and we need a performing arts center. And we moved kind of towards doing those things. We had enough to do the City Hall, and we had funding that is solidified for convention centers. They use the hotel, motel, lodging tax. The performing arts center, the community members stepped forward and said, we would really like to be in charge for the performing arts center. So that piece has not yet delivered. I will also know, though, that performing arts centers take a lot of time. It's a really big price tag. It's a deliberative process. I'm not sure I got to your question there.

Kind of, yeah. I mean, I was specifically wondering about the Maiden Bower Performing Arts Center, the The Main Bower Theater? Theater, yeah.

Yeah, so the theater was built, I believe, as part of the convention center, although I could be wrong there. That was a big assumption that it was built at the same time. I know that they're looking at a couple different options for during their expansion. If they want to put a balcony on the current theater, add some capacity there. If they want to build a whole new theater, you know, that could be additive. If they wanted to make one of their halls into something that could have seats as well, that could have maybe more... I don't want to say like arena shows, but things where maybe the stage is down and the seats come down into a rake. There's a lot of good options there. None of them are commitment, but they're looking at all of them because they do recognize being the folks who run the current Main Bower Theater, they have a lot more demand than they have capacity. They are renting that theater at an incredible rate. They have to turn folks down. They do not have enough days of the week to meet the demand of our community.

I think it's a great problem to have.

Any other comments, questions?

Okay, so we're moving on to the next agenda item for cultural facility grants.

With another action item tonight, this would be the first step in moving these allocations along. And I will ask for that motion at the end. I'll go over a little bit of a background of this program, a very new program. cover the cycle for the next two years, the process we took to make these allocations, who was on the review panel, and then dive into the recommendations. So this program was approved only in 2024. So pretty recent. The grants are offered for a variety of projects, but generally they fall into two different categories. Capital projects are your big ones. They're for acquiring a property or buildings, building new facilities, maybe purchasing specialized equipments like curtains or lights or And then other renovations, additions, major building upgrades. Facility maintenance, these include more preventative maintenance items, repairs. We did not get any requests for maintenance this time. The application was open April 14th through June 18th. We extended a few days to get one last applicant in. And then a reminder, The cycle actually spans four years. We look forward two years and then we look back two years. This allows people that may not quite be ready to apply but have a thing in the works, they can get started on that and then apply later. When it's maybe more solid, they know more information and then request to be reimbursed for those costs that they incurred. in the past. This grant is reimbursement based. So we do not give out money until they prove that they have spent it on things that they said they were going to spend on. The evaluation criteria is vast. These are all of the different areas that we have our reviewers take a look at. Financial strength, public benefit, the feasibility of the project, experience, various types of experience, secured or committed funding, local support, environmental sustainability. Do they serve underserved communities? Um, this is who we had on our panel this year. Thank you to all the commissioners, uh, who donated their time. We always appreciate it. Um, and also new this year, we also interviewed each of the applicants. Um, so in addition to reading and scoring their application, everyone also attended, um, interviews. where the selection panel was able to ask additional questions, get clarity, and learn more and kind of have a face to the name, which I hope was helpful. Before we get into the details, is there anything you both want to share? We only have two of the three today. Sandra had to leave early. Do you have any feedback or thoughts?

I thought it was actually a great idea to be able to interview and speak with the applicants. I think some were better prepared than others. And I know that they do have the option to get some guidance from staff, also through their application process, but also how to prepare better for their interview. Just want to make sure that that's something we reiterate to them when they apply, that you can get more guidance on how to be better prepared for the application and for the interview.

Uh, yes, I agree with that. And I also first wanted to say that we appreciate Minette's organization of it. It's a yeoman's effort to pull all this together and it was very well organized. I would say there were fewer applications than we would want because we have a very generous budget. So I would say that perhaps in future years, us brainstorming a little bit to determine some external communication or marketing campaign around it to to inform artists and others of the opportunity.

Yeah, yeah. I would add to that, I think that that starts now. Buildings are much longer lead time. I think that knowing that a grant is open is great, but you can't start a building project when you hear about a grant. So that I think work, I think that note is really important. And I think that work starts now for the next cycle in two years.

Thank you both. So the request that we received was 1.7 million from four applicants. Unfortunately, one applicant was actually not eligible in the end, which reduced the algebra request to 1.2. And the allocations committee recommends allocating a total of a little bit over a million among the three eligible applicants. So now I'm going to go into, um, each of the applicant and their project. Um, the first one is for Asian, uh, American Asian performing arts theater. This is actually a continuation of a project that we previously funded. They are expanding their space in Lake Hills and adding a dance studio so that they can properly prepare for their performances and also offer the space up to others who are looking for practice space, which is different. really lacking in Bellevue. This is a hot commodity. So that was their project. If you have any questions about specific projects, we can cover that at the end. Obviously, since they started this project, costs have only risen. It took quite a long time to get this permitted from the city. So they were just able to start this year There is a rendering on the left and on the right, they actually just put up the framing for the studio. So they are making pretty great progress and they hope to finish by the end of this year. Again, this grant looks forward and backwards. So their request is eligible because this would be for expenses occurred this year and who knows there could be some things in next year as well. The selection panel recommends funding them at about half. Moving on, the next applicant is Bellevue College Foundation. This is for the renovation of existing campus space, but making it for KBCS, their radio station. So it would be completely gutting an area on campus and constructing a highly specialized space for the radio station, which is currently in two somewhat dilapidated buildings that aren't ADA-friendly, kind of hidden on campus, not super accessible, does not serve the radio that great, like they can hear lawnmowers over live air. It's really hard to get a band in to perform. There's nowhere to watch the band. So the space that they're looking to renovate would allow for a lot more community engagement, student participation, and performance space. We all know that cool, funky band that comes and tours on a college campus and everyone comes and gets to watch them. So hopefully... That is something that we can maybe participate and help them create. This is also in a part of campus where there is Carlson Theater and their gallery. So it's kind of creating a little art hub, which is exciting and way more accessible than where they are right now. Oh, and then the allocations committee recommends awarding them at the full request. lastly we have theater 33 um we have previously funded grants for the build out of their theater and also a maintenance grant to help them get a proper hvac system so that they could perform in summer this is in a space that would heat up to temperatures that were unbearable so now they can operate all year round And this specific request is for capitalized equipment specifically, making the space ADA compliant, and other everything would be purchasing a lift specifically, and other improvements such as lighting and curtains. Their grant requests, or the allocations committee recommends funding them at their full grant request. Any now we go through the process, and then open it up for discussion. I think we can.

Yeah, I think we would do that emotion process again.

Yeah, that whole slightly awkward motion process and then discussion and then you do your vote. Yeah.

So Can I get a motion to approve the allocation committee's 2728 funding recommendations for capital facility grants?

I approve. I motion to approve.

Do I have a second?

A second.

Great. It is moved and seconded that the allocation committee's funding recommendation for capital grant, capital facility grants for 2728 be approved. The motion is now open to debate and further discussion. So Erica, since you made the first motion, do you wish to be assigned the floor? Sure.

I don't know if it's just my postpartum hormones, but I got really emotional seeing you walk through these three projects just because I feel like I know these organizations because they've come and visited us and shared with us about the organization. They're our community partners. So we do have long relationships with them that we hope to, you know, continue supporting. And, I mean, the first one, I was like, isn't that the one that, you know, their studio in Seattle burned down? And the second one, I'm like, I remember because, like, they were, like, basically in a house or something. And the third one, you know, we had Theater 33 come by, too, and talk about, you know, their issues. So I really want to just... shout out you folks for bringing that opportunity to have our organizations come in because that was something new that happened last or throughout this year. And it really helps kind of build that trust, I think, with us and them and having them apply to the grants and then, you know, be potentially awarded them, I think, it really shows how our relationships and our ability to help these organizations fulfill their mission. It really solidifies that. So yeah, I was just like, I wasn't on any of these committees and I didn't, I wasn't aware that they had applied, but just hearing that they've gotten through and feeling like, oh, wow, they sat right there and they shared with us you know, all of their passion and goals and what their challenges are, and actually meeting them where they are and being able to offer a solution and ability to overcome those challenges, I think, is why we do this work. And it's just really exciting that we can help that.

So sorry.

That's great. Thank you, Erica.

Anybody else wishes to take the floor? Open for discussion or anybody?

All right, cool. I have a few questions. One plus one to everything Erica said. It's great that we're able to get to the community in this way. A few questions, though, in terms of after we grant it, how do we ensure or approve that they actually did it? Are they supposed to send us like receipts afterwards?

Yes. So we, if you recommend tonight, I'll just go to the next set of slides so I don't repeat myself. We have a council date scheduled for November 17th. Staff and our chair will take these recommendations to council. We will then contract. So there'll be legally binding terms. And then depending on what that scope of work is in their contract, they will be able to request reimbursement from staff. That is a lengthy, they sign a declaration stating that these are true. We ask for invoices and we ask for some kind of paid invoice, like a bank statement or something showing that the invoice was paid, and then they are reimbursed for those eligible expenses.

I'll also note it's not relevant for these particular ones, but any grant over $500,000, we would also have a deed of trust on the property. And if the organization did not fulfill a certain number of years of service, a public service in the space, the city would be repaid. Now, Asian American or American Asian Performing Arts, they were over that threshold last time. So we do have that safeguard in place with that organization to ensure that there is the public delivery of benefit.

And do we like go and visit these sites? Do we ask for like pictures and like?

Definitely. We actually have a, anybody's welcome to come. I know this is very last minute. It was just scheduled yesterday, but Asian American performing arts theater is having us on site tomorrow at noon. I know it's not the most convenient, but if you want to show up, You're more than welcome. Shoot me an email. I can send you information. I'm sure it's an open invitation. They'd love to see you. They're stopping their work so we can tromp around and see their progress.

I'd also add that I think if commissioners, if there is that interest, perhaps that's a thing we can start arranging. Because there's very few of these organizations, unlike our other grants, where you have opportunity to go to the performances, we see about tickets, site visits might be an appropriate oversight as we move into it. Second round on this grants, we're still learning process.

I think it's, I mean, I think they're just so excited to have things happening that they'd be more than welcome to, if not the end, somewhat in process. Definitely, yeah.

And what happens with this money that we're saving? So it says like 1.7.

Yeah, but those get to go to our other grant programs.

Okay.

Yeah.

Minit, so we've already informed these organizations for the amounts that they're getting, right? Not yet.

No, if they're savvy enough, they can go online and see. I will also be tomorrow sharing the reviews with them and saying, you know, it's made its first step. The Arts Commission has made their decision. These are the next steps. So they'll get a little sneak peek. But obviously it's not done until council gives their final approval.

I'd just be interested to know what the organization that isn't getting their full amount, what their reactions would be, or what feedback would you give them?

Yeah, we talked pretty extensively during those decisions, and I have specific feedback and areas of improvement. And anything you write down also in your review gets shared.

Can you share that at a high level?

I mean, I would say most applications, if you score really high, you're going to have a great chance of getting your full request. I think there were some concerns with one applicant, especially because we have already funded this project before. And I think they weren't fully prepared when they were applying. I think there was a bit of a rush to the end, which is something that we're taking in and thinking, you know, how do we better prepare people to know when this program is coming up so that they don't feel rushed. Like I said, we even extended the deadline by a few days. But yeah. Yeah. If that high level answers your question.

I think so. That was the one that wasn't granted like the full or the recommendation isn't like the full. Yeah.

Yeah. Generally, there's there's something there's a reason why someone doesn't get their full request. And that's a discussion that the committee has. And those comments will be shared with the applicant on where they can improve in the future.

So there's no like unethical thing like, hey, they just didn't take the money or, you know.

No, no, no. They actually just closed out their grant and actually had, of course, because they applied again, there's way more expenses that we could reimburse them for, but they have fully capped out on their existing grant. Yeah. Yeah.

All right, so the question is on the move to endorse the allocation committee's 2728 funding recommendations for capital facility grants. Those in favor of the motion say aye. Aye. Okay, so the ayes have it and the motion is adopted. Right, so we're moving on to Commission's quick business.

Yes, so next meeting date. would be October. October 7th. We did have a request to move it to the 14th. I will say I do have two people scheduled, outside people scheduled for the 7th, but if we cannot make the 7th work, I will ask our presenters if the 14th works or we'll reschedule them for another time. So it's up to you if you want to, if the 7th work. We have a quorum for the 7th. We will do the 7th. I prefer the 7th. 7 or 14.

7 or 14. I'm going to be in Japan.

Lucky you. Exciting. All right. I think because we need quorum, we may or may not have a new member. You will be the deciding factor either or. Okay. Because you can only do the seventh and you can only do the seventh. We have to do the seventh. Sandra cannot do the seventh, but it happens sometimes.

We'll still have quorum, though. We'll have quorum.

We will have quorum. Yeah, we will have you four.

I'm going via Zoom, but I don't want to, like, yeah, yeah. I'm like, I don't know.

It would be early in the morning, I think.

Yeah, unless you see something that you're really interested on the agenda, definitely prioritize your vacation. All right, project updates.

Um, It's grant mania right now. Our other grant programs, our operational support and project grant is open. It's due October 10th. If you follow us on social media, send it to all your friends or online through an email, whatever. Spread the word. We're looking for things to support. And just a reminder, the grants committee is Sandra, Bhavna, and Brandon. Brandon? Brendan. Okay. Wow. My brain just was like, it's wrong. Brendan. Okay. And I will note we have another committee that you'll also be on, so I will confirm with you to make sure you have enough time because the grants are a lot. Yes.

Thank you, Laurie. Are we sending out emails and like reminders and the email is it solely focused on this or is it going to be like a footnote amongst like eight different other.

Are you talking about in general what is our strategy to get the word out or remember to apply you started an application? Both. So, yes, we get the word out quite extensively. We do boosted posts on Instagram to try to get to those people that we may not know exist out there. Um, we have a press release scheduled. Um, we put it in the neighborhood news, which is a little newsletter that the city does for residents and anyone else interested in neighborhood news in Bellevue. Um, and then I always emailed like the past three, five years of funding. Um, because most often, uh, we do see repeat, especially for the support grants. Those are kind of no brainer. Um, And then random people throughout the year, I try to collect a spreadsheet of people that are like, I have this thing. So there's a lot of email communication.

I'll note for the support grants, since they do have to be an arts and culture-based 501c3, we can actually pull a report of every single one. organization that's eligible and so that one we can get a pretty good um full um info out the project grants have a much wider eligibility because you can be a for-profit business you can be an individual artist so we do have to rely on some of that kind of mass communication there spread the word you are all pillars of your community you are our eyes and ears on the ground so

Greatly appreciate any sharing. Upcoming events. There's a lot. September is a busy time. So these are all hyperlinked in the PDF or online version. Yes, a lot going on. Let's see. One that did not make it in your packet, but I just received today is an event by one of our grantees on October 4th. So this is also before our next meeting. So I wanted to make sure this was in here. Let me know if you have any questions about this one. Off the top of my head, I don't remember exactly, but it is an interactive artistic... project. I think it's involves a musician and artist. I don't know if there's going to be artistic or community like participation or not. There was the last time I went to one of these four, three, two years ago. I don't know time. um and uh there was a pianist and we had different prompts so we actually engaged artists painted then we painted um so yeah call and response is usually sort of a type of responding to something um

Planning projects. Laura, you want to take this? Sure. It feels like it's a rote update at this point, but the Planning Commission is continuing to hear updates on the Bell Red Land Use Code update. If you remember, the Art Commission weighed in on the Bell Red sub-area plan, so that were the policies that... guided the land the what is now the land use code update that is happening for bell red bell red being where our district is so we were heavily engaged with that work the land use code um update is very it's it's minutiae it's very detailed i do encourage you if you want to dive into those weeds to go listen to the planning commission uh report when they get closer to the end of the land use code update process we will probably have our planning our our Development Services staff come meet with Art Commission as well. But they're really, they're in those weeds right now with the Planning Commission, which is their work. Some fun things around the arts, we're really excited to see a lot of those policies that we informed on getting some teeth in the code as well. So very nice. Our outdoor event feasibility study, we have a consultant team that has, well, Scott's not on, is he?

I think that was an accident.

Oh, that's not us. Okay, great. um there is uh in addition to the performing arts uh feasibility i'm sorry the validation study that we talked about today we are also engaging in a preliminary feasibility study about an outdoor venue we know that as once again we gear up for cultural planning we're going to need a lot of information about those needs in our community this is a very robust market study this is a need study we're talking to our creative community here not just indoor sound, acoustic, light, but we're talking festivals, our Ukrainian cultural festival that happens every year. These events really tax, particularly downtown park, which was not made for large festivals and events because it doesn't have the right kind of ground. So what type of facility do we need for festivals? Do we need for outdoor concerts? How could we make something like that year round? This is very early work. It is likely on a many year timeline. We have no specific site in mind, although we are looking at or asking the consultants to consider places that would be accessible by mass transit.

Right.

Just some collection maintenance updates. Every year, particularly in the summer because of good weather, we have a consultant contracted to conduct regular maintenance. These are all of the artworks and their specific cleaning that they've had this year. You can see an example of an artwork that was polished and looks way better. Exciting news in our temporary public art world. We've had a slew of new art wraps on signal boxes go up. So I'm just going to go through a few photos. These are still in process. So we have, I don't know, four or five more still. But we have 15 total this year. including the student art box that went up. And we had another one through a neighborhood enhancement program as well. So these are all the, they are listed here at the end.

Are they like professional?

Yeah, yeah, yeah. So I think it was open to local artists. So King County, Snohomish County, Pierce County. And they applied two years ago and were selected by a selection committee. And then if they were selected, they could either take an existing work and kind of format it to the box or create a brand new work. I would say overwhelmingly, I think a lot of artists chose to create new works for this. So we have a lot of very specific artwork that I think has ties to Bellevue or its space or the artist. This artwork actually on the left here was a project that we worked with like five, three years ago. BOOM is a program that is for, I think, students of color in the W public school program. Yeah, run by a former art commissioner. In the school district, there's a whole day of all kinds of activities for the students. And they created this artwork. And so we were just waiting for an opportunity to come by. The opportunity came by. So we included this.

How long do these last?

They last a surprisingly long time unless a car decides to collide or something else happens to the box. Sometimes, you know, electronics go funky or there's construction and they decide to get rid of it or move it or whatever.

Our intent is to just leave them as long as they start looking good.

All of the boxes have about a 10 year cycle that the signals teams track. And if it doesn't need replacement at the end of that 10 years, it just keeps going. Sometimes they get replaced a lot faster, but we tell people five to 10 years, we've had boxes up for probably like, 12 to 15. Scott McDonald did some in Old Bellevue that have been around for a really long time. I will say if they are vandalized and cannot be fixed, we will look to either replacing them or removing them from But otherwise, they're there until something happens.

I will note that box shops usually decrease vandalism. Also, they extend the life of the box. So we have a really great partnership with our utilities team, or I guess it's transportation, because these are actually, we call them utility boxes, but they're signal boxes for the lights. They can really extend how long this box can be in service. So overall, it might even save the city some money when we get down to it.

Minette, I have a question about... I was reading somewhere online about there's some sort of an art walk and a map for an art walk for the city of Bellevue, which apparently is approved by the Art Commission. I read that online somewhere. Oh, I think this is quite old.

There was a public art walking map that the art staff put out. over a decade ago, many, many, many, many years ago. And I believe that was approved by the Art Commission. If it's something newer than that, then it's not approved by the Art Commission.

But it brings me to an important point, though, because I was recently visiting the city of Auckland, New Zealand, and I went on an art walk there. I have pictures I want to show later offline. But like the utility boxes or the very first public art commission by a female artist was on display. They have the fairy. There are so many different... New Zealand was the first country allowed women to vote. And so they have a whole... you know, women's suffrage, like a mural. There's so many things that we can do to promote art in Bellevue. And even though this may be something which is old, perhaps the art walk situation, but I think it is a fantastic idea. I know weather permitting, we may not be able to do it throughout the year, but at least the time that we can, we should potentially look into this again. I would highly recommend this.

You're absolutely right. This has been a slow burn project for us for a couple years, but you're hitting something that we're highly aware of, that we have a great public art collection.

Yeah, I mean, look at this. This is beautiful.

We don't necessarily have the best ways to engage with it. Two years ago, we brought on a team of interns, of student interns, who went out and mapped. We have really good information about the pieces in our collection that we own, but But we did not have great information about all the other amazing artworks in downtown, in the broader city. So we had some interns go through and drop pins on maps, really find all the public art out there, dig up all the information they could on it. So we have a fairly good database right now. That next step is really putting that into a more usable format. I have moved forward with the idea that we would make a map, but we're actually watching our peers at the city of Issaquah who have done a really lovely interactive app with Bloomberg Philanthropic. So we're kind of watching how their rollout of that app has worked because maybe that is a more appropriate tool for our collection.

I think the map you're referencing with one with the pins, I saw that online and it has like 51, 57 different... I don't know if it's the same map we're talking about, but I was like, I'd love to go tour this, but it would be so nice if this was a free guided tour I went on. So just something that we could look at.

I think what you're mentioning, Bhavna, is we did have also some docents that were from the Bellevue Arts Museum that were also looking for opportunities to apply those skills that they gained at that institution for the city. So I believe this is a conversation we had maybe a couple of years ago of how do we kind of tie them in by providing the tools where they can you know maybe host like mini tours in certain parts of the city that are walkable to an extent um but yeah having that volunteer force to run it i don't i don't think that's something that the city has the capacity to operate so it may have to be either like a community partner or something and they may be doing it we have shared information with that rosen group yeah they were just doing the museum though that doesn't group that we're referring to

They were from the museum, but since it's no longer, they were looking after.

Yeah, I can add to that. So they call themselves Dawson Without Walls. And it's a little bit beyond Bellevue now, extending to Kirkland, Woodinville, because a lot of local art galleries ask them for help. So they are doing things, but you're right. For some reason, they want the city to pull them. Like, you can do it yourself. You don't need anyone to tell you what to do. Some of them have been like CFOs in big fortune-powered companies, but for some reason, this is the only topic where they can't function independently and they want the city to pull them. I can't solve that thing, but they're highly competent.

Minit, one more question. So all of the public artwork that we have or all these events, upcoming events and the project grant programs, what social media sites is the city using?

uh we have the we have an art specific um instagram um and we actually have a marketer who helps me out on that account um they do uh roundups of certain events it includes more than just our arts commission funded programs um but if if a grantee wants us to share on our socials we do um And then, yeah, all of our art projects I try to put on Instagram. Instagram mostly. It's Instagram. It's mostly Instagram.

And then just one other spelling correction I have of one of your public art programs. It's not spelled correctly.

Tell me later. Okay. You know, spelling has never been my strong suit. I will never. Yes. Yes. I'm not surprised. Other temporary public art projects, we have finally completed a series of creative crosswalks. So this is art in the crosswalk. This was a federally funded grant that is now looking at the before and after impacts of this crosswalk. They're looking at interactions between different modes of travel. And ultimately, does this make the crosswalk safer? so that that whole study is being managed by our transportation department um we were pulled in to find the artist to design these artworks um we went through the whole process selected um kenji stole which you can see their artworks here and nikita airs and you can see their art here um These are shorter because they have way more interactions with vehicles. So you'll notice over time they'll get dirty. You can clean them, but that is a pro and con. It will degrade the product if you clean it too often. So normally we do not clean them. We just let them sort of live their life. two or three years um what happens over time is the vehicles wear down certain areas you'll see exactly sort of where people like to travel um you'll see those like wheel well uh areas and then certain areas will start cracking especially um in the corners and then um to take it fully out you have to grind it off the road because it is the material is melted to the pavement um and then um but It could be five years.

This is a thermoplastic. It will have a longer life than like paint. So there are some textured paints you can use in creative crosswalks as well. We did use the more durable material. Yeah.

And it also has more traction than paint and it's reflective.

Did you get a little distraction and slow down? It's psychological. Yeah, I believe all of these are installed around our high injury network. Is that what it's called? These are intersections that tend to have a lot of interaction between vehicles and pedestrians. So.

I remember that originally it was going to be, I think, two intersections that were going to be chosen. Four. Okay, so it was always four.

It's a little like when you think of these, usually you think of either two parallel bars or all four. This one's a little different because it's a study. It's only one at each location so that there is a control going the same way. A little funky, but just a requirement of the grant. Okay.

Yeah, I do like it that it is all separated. I encountered three in my personal life with like photos of each. So I think the funny thing is I didn't obviously didn't tell my husband about this and being on the panel for this. And there's one near our house and he's just like, wow, like, did you see that on the on the, you know, the road? Like, it really makes you stop and reflect. I'm like, wow. Oh, wow. Like, you know, do tell, you know, tell me more. So there's just a picture of me and my dog walking on Bell Red with one. I was the safety issue because I was like in the middle of the road taking pictures. So but that's on me. But I really love seeing this and I hope to hear more about the results from the study. Yeah.

Portable art collection, we had a little update today already. Our collection is growing and we want to grow it even more. So we have a call out for artists right now to submit existing artworks. That is due October 13th, so a little bit after our grants. It's open to basically any county that is near us. The max budget part is $12,000. This does not include sales tax. And then staff will put together a selection panel. The public art committee is Charles, Brendan, and Erica. Brendan, I will talk to you after this to make sure you have capacity because this is two very extensive review processes that could be a lot.

We had over 1,000 individual artworks submitted last time we did this call.

Yeah, there are 230 something applications. It is a highly visual experience. The applications are very short and you're mostly just looking at those artworks. You're learning a little bit about the artists and you're looking at five available artworks. And it's an interesting one. So I will again talk to you. We do have alternates for both committees just in case. um east side arts roster is still open um that is another place where we always share these opportunities um because often they're always open to artists on the east side um And then also Scott McDonald has been working on the Factoria Public Art Project. We had 154 applications. A seven member, because this is a very extensive and high price point public art project. In our policies, it's a slightly larger panel. So this panel convened on August 19th, and they selected three finalists. I think, was it three or four?

I don't remember.

There might have been four. There's just too many good people out there. And Scott is going through interviewing them with the panelists. I don't think that's happened yet. No. I turned to you because I know you're involved.

One of the Saturdays coming up. Yeah.

Yeah. And I think we'll get a recommendation hopefully for October for you all. That is it for our project updates.

Do we have any written communications? And any other comments before we close out the meeting?

I guess one question. So with a thousand applicants.

A thousand available artworks to purchase.

Each applicant can submit up to five pieces that we would consider.

I just noticed with some of these, I mean, there's a lot of applications to review. The most democratic thing, obviously, is to have all committee members review all applications.

That is our process. I think it would be a discussion if we got 400 applications or some astronomical number. You could do a random assignment where there's always one overlap. It's not preferred.

No, and we would need to consult with our procurement team because this is, although slightly outside of the RFP process, this is a public selection. And there are rules that we have to follow as a public agency.

So we'll cross that bridge when we get there. But I think in all future projects, everybody reads everything. We all come to the table with the same information. Yeah. Yes.

I had a question. So this is going back to the KBCS coming together with the Carlson Theater. So now I know the Bellevue Art Museum and its new form is in the Bellevue College, the campus. Do you know if they're kind of coming in like a consortium, Bellevue Art Museum, KBCS, Carlson Theater, since they're all on the same campus now?

I think the art museum has been in the media. I'm talking about their location in Their possible location out of line, sharing that. And it would be in the same location as well. So that would be part of that kind of creative hub. There's some really nice opportunity there.

Thank you.

Yeah.

No more comments. All right. It is 5.57 p.m. And I adjourn this meeting. Thank you.