Planning Commission - Regular Meeting

Good evening everyone. I'd like to open the meeting uh this May 1st at 6 PM for the planning commission meeting. Thank you all for joining us. Uh, the first order of business is the approval of the minutes. And I see one small error myself. On page two, it's Baltimore Pike instead of Baltimore Poke. Are there any other um changes? Yes. Uh on page five at the top uh it says uh agreement with police department that they may come on site and trespass [Laughter] is on page two. All right. It is um page two first paragraph third line. Third line, bottom one. Okay. Um, Jimmy. Oh, top of page five. Second line. The first entry is the second trespass. And also um am I wrong? the first full paragraph on page five, is it 13,000 and some or was that to have been 15? Wasn't there a change there? There was, but 13,000 the way that works is it should Yeah, you're right. It should change because when you include the space, it's 15,000. I'm sure that is okay. All right. With those changes,

then do I have a move for approval of the minutes as amended? Second. All those in favor? I I Okay. Thank you, Kevin. If you would please present the first new business being presented. Okay. Uh first, before I go there, some folks may be here to uh speak. Um the way that the proceedings will go tonight is that um the town will give a summary of the project. Then the applicant will get up and make their presentation. Um following their presentation um then anyone from the public may speak uh either opposing or supporting that the application. Um there if if the applicant brings a expert up to to talk, you may ask them questions, but only about what they've been speaking about, nothing unrelated. That comes later when you can give a general statement. Um also, if you have any cell phones, please silence them. Bathrooms are over here to your left. And um the first project Well, the only project on the agenda is um 102 North Bond Street. It is zone B3A. That's U General Business Gateway. The applicant's requesting uh site plan and landscape plan approval for a 3,300 foot one-story commercial building to be constructed on a 15,000 square foot vacant lot um for a restaurant and nail salon. Uh associated with the restaurant use, a special development is required for the outdoor dining. A waiver also is

required for stacked parking. The proposed building will contain 2,200 foot restaurant and a 1,100 foot nail salon, both of which are permitted in the B3A zone per table 3-7. Um, they are those service uh are service uses and are subject to applicable code requirements. These uh requirements are addressed in the performance standards that are attached to the application in your package. Uh together these uses require 22 parking spaces. Um 12 spaces are required for the 36 seat restaurant and 10 spaces are required for the five station nail salon. The developer is proposing 23 spaces accessed from Alice Anne Street. 16 of these spaces are proposed to be tandem or stacked spaces. And we do refer to both of those rows of parking uh just because one is blocked in by the other. Both considered tandem. Um section 165 51F1E allows the parking com planning commission to approve stacked parking pro provided there is no adverse impact to the use or circulation while a letter was provided to address the exemption from traffic a traffic study. There's no statement that's been provided by the applicant regarding the justification for this parking arrangement. Um and it is assumed this will be addressed at the hearing by the applicant. Past uh developments have been approved for proposals that consist entirely or in part of residential uses. It's the op opinion of staff that residential or office uses have much more control of parking operations than service uses do. Uh where this is where walking patrons are are moni monitored to a lesser degree. the this the concern

is that vehicle overflow may impact the on street parking along Alice Anne Street uh and may be parking on 108 North Bond next door uh to uh again to a greater degree when spaces are not available on site. The applicants encouraged to explain again how these proposed parking organization would work. Uh while the location of the refuge recycling enclosure meets code, it's suggested that the enclosure be three feet from the property line instead of two. That it would then meet the accessory use uh requirements of the code. Uh but again, it does meet it. You can go right up to the property line if you like in the B3A. Uh the building footprint extends to the North Bond Street rightway which is uh permitted by the B3A zoning standards. That is what I'm saying there is the building is right on the property line along Bond Street. Um however the adjacent historically designated property is set back approximately 7 feet from the rideway and may be impacted by the location of the larger proposed building. appears there is room between the proposed park uh building and parking to move away from the rightway and provide some consistency in the architectural relationship to Bond Street. Four parallel metered spaces are proposed for removal by the new entrance as shown on the plan. The applicants encouraged to describe how the proposed site accesses coordinated with the existing on street parking and whether the two existing curb cuts along Alicean Street will be removed with this development which was we assume it will but it's not noted there. Um, the applicant must work with depart Department of Public Works during engineering review to determine the most efficient method to access the site that would eliminate the least number of on street

spaces. It should be noted that any elimination of metered spaces would require approval by the town board. The town board controls metered spots. So there's five metered spots along Alicean Street. When this project's done, there needs to be five metered spots remaining. Um so that's something that again needs to get worked out. Um a pedestrian connection from the proposed parking lot to Alisand Street should be provided to maintain connectivity. That's something we always typically provide. It appears there is some connection to the um to the building from Bond Street, but it also appears those are steps there. Uh so we would like to provide some kind of a handicap accessible that the site plan um has submitted that's causing these metered spaces to need to go. Yes, because right now the um there are two curb cuts that were there when probably the residents there was a residence there many years ago live there and um those curb cuts are maybe 10 ft wide um so when they put in this uh um radial uh access it takes up pretty large area and and so a lot of those spaces are being removed or have to be removed when the site access is is installed. Do remember that the town has to be able to provide site access to a property owner. But how that is done and in what manner is really what is up to is there any recommended option that they could consider to for the site plan that would eliminate the need to eliminate uh parking meters? I have well

one of the problems there is is it's unknown whether or not these spaces are being eliminated because they're not showing what spaces are provi provided what spaces are existing and and how those are changing with the new uh entrance. So I don't know whether the the the spaces are being eliminated. One of the things that could be done, and it's something that uh Commissioner Slayer has is suggested in the past, is that instead of having what they call filleted entrances, um where you have radiused curbs going in, you have a concrete apron. And that actually uh provides for the motorist to give the pedestrian more difference when accessing the site. So that's a little less the reason question is and obviously we haven't heard from the folks yet but I think they're going to have some things to work on. Um, and I would I would hope that those could be including this matter of the metered spaces that they wouldn't do all whatever else u we recommend for them to do. And then okay, we still now we've accomplished all that and now we still got to get the uh the town board's approval to do something about metered spaces separate. It's it all depends on whether or not the meters are being removed. Meaning if there are still five metered spaces on there on on the proposed plan, then they're good to go. That'll be that'll be one of my recommendations if we to come up with something where you don't have to eliminate metered spaces, right? And that's uh I left it somewhat vague in the recommendations, but that's something that you guys can can take a look at and mark up. Um the um one of the other questions that wasn't included in the in the staff report is how does service loading and

unloading work? Um it looks like it's likely that when you're accessing the the refuge recycling, you would have to pull in and then back out. That happens a lot in in Bair. So that's not something that I don't think they can I don't think they can avoid that. My concern is how is the restaurant loaded and unloaded. So that's something that's going to have to be uh answered. Um the applicants provided several colored elevations of the development that indicate the proposed architecture. These renderings have been provided to the town architectural consultant for review and comment and those are provided in your uh hard copies has been provided for you and I think I emailed you I got it like one day late after I sent this out uh and something happened with the mail this the state highway just got uh our this this project uh in their mail about three days ago so I don't something happened where it delayed a lot of these deliveries. So anyway, you do have that. Um let's see. Um do note in the uh comments from the architectural consultant, he's referring to the project as mixed use. That's not correct. It's um it is not a mixed use. It's service uses and service uses. So that does not affect any of his comments because uh the use of the building is not predicated on architectural review. Um staff has also reviewed the elevations and offers the following. Proposed building consists of red brick veneer, gray Hardy panel, cream colored hardy plank sighting and a flat roof

along with extensive storefront glass. Uh the adjacent historically designated property uh at 108 Bond Street uh has cream colored siding and a copper standing seam gable roof and photos are attached of what that building looks like. Development Regulations Section 16524E, 16541A6, and section 16553B1 I all require that the proposed development adjacent to historically designated properties must be compatible in color, size, material, and mass with the historic [Music] property with the exception of the cream colored siding covering approximately 15% of the facade, the proposed architecture does not appear to reflect the same colors or materials. Um, section 16533b4 requires a minimum of 60% of the of the facade be occupied by glass as demonstrated. Uh, and that's actually 40 to 60%. Sorry. Um, the planning commission may approve less. And given the the use of this building, that's probably appropriate to to allow less glass to be proposed because it's not really storefront. It's more of a his if it wants to be reflective of the adjacent historic building, it's got to be a little bit less commercial looking. Outdoor dining is proposed at the corner of North Bond and Alisand associated with the restaurant use. The exterior dining capacity cannot exceed 27 seats 70 and that's 75% of the interior without additional parking. This area is considered seasonal and cannot be enclosed without additional parking provided. performance standards found in section

16553 I2I um that restrict amplified music, public address, live entertainment and recreational games uh have been provided by the applicant. So they they've uh addressed those performance standards. Planning commission may uh place conditions on other aspects of the operation uh of the dining area if desired. The development is extensively landscaped with substantial buffer along the north property line and along Alisan Street. Parking lot buffering and interior landscape are adequately provided. It's recommended that one additional tree or relocated tree. It doesn't have to be the, you know, could be something relocated from somewhere else. Uh be placed uh on the island east of the uh site entrance. Consideration should be given to providing a vegetative buffer to the adjacent house of worship. There is no requirement in the code to provide a buffer to an institutional use, but the planning commission may determine based upon its proximity that that's something that you desire. Any proposed installation or removal of trees in the state rightway requires MDOT approval. Now your purview over is is not over forest conservation but I'm giving you this as a um a context forest conservation analysis has been provided. However, it's staff assessment that um the that section 16545B 2 uh woodland areas and unique vegetation applies to this property. Whenever a property is less than one acre, it falls under the the town requirements for any uh trees that are on pro on the property and there are specimen trees on the property when removed they'll have to be replaced or fee and loo would be provided again that flows through staff but I just wanted you to be

aware phototric plans also provided and that's in your um uh package uh a couple of items have been added to the uh u recommendations um depending on what happens with the site access and the on street parking. This may require going to the board of appeals. Just what you just said. Um and uh service access, loading, unloading. That's just something to remind you whether or not you need to add that to the uh to recommendations. Everything else is as you see it. That's all I have for I know that was a long one, but that's all I have. Uh, and I'll uh Danny, so just state your name and your address and come up to the uh microphone. Good evening. Good evening. Yeah. Can you use the mic? Ju just for another housekeeping thing. This is Ann. She's great. She's our court reporter. Everything that you're saying is being taken down. Um so just clear uh state your name, address, and speak concisely into the mic so she can hear you. Okay. Thank you. My name is Thank you everyone for coming tonight. We appreciate it. I just wanted to introduce ourselves. Um, first we um we moved here from Vietnam about um 30 25 years ago actually and we made um we fall in love with and we made this our home here. Um we currently have a nail

salon business um about five minutes from here. Um we've been in the business for about 13 years already. Um besides um the nail salon business. Um, our family also have a nail restaurant for the past 30 years in Vietnam. So, we love to cook. Um, so for special holiday, my wife, she usually make a Vietnamese food to give to our customer. And our customer always they love the food and they always ask how come you know make the food make a restaurant you know and and and we would love to come and we would love to eat here every day. We would love to support you guys. Um knowing Jenny here she would she love to cook and she love to take care of others. So we would al we would love to have our own restaurant here in B. Um so a few years back we were able to acquire this park this lot at 102 North Bond Street which we thought it would be a perfect location for our restaurant. We thought this area here has a lot of bars and bar food and a lot of chicken, you know, but not getting more every day, too. Not a lot of good comforting food. You know, we we need a good f restaurant in the B area. Um the best thing about Fur is that it's such a

their food, the comforting soup that is savory and rich while still feeling clean and refreshing at the same time. Um, traditional Vietnamese cooking has often been characterized as using fresh ingredients, not using much dairy or oil and making use of herbs and vegetables. The cuisine are so low in sugar and is almost always natural free of gluten as many of the dishes are rice based instead of wheat based. Um so anyways we u we were able to get in touch with war to help us with the building um for our nail salon and Vietnamese restaurant. We thought that it would be great that we can operate it so that we can right next to each other and manage it at the same time. Where where is your nail salon located? What what part? Yes, sir. It's right at the Rob Shopping Center at the giant. Gotcha. Yeah. And is it it's important to your to your business model and business plan to be able to get them combined on this one site to come again? Is it is it is it important to your business model that you have both the restaurant and the nail salon right here? We can support each other. Lots of these complications would go away if you just were asking to build a restaurant there. But yes. Yeah. Non. My

name Jenny. So everybody know that name. They forgot about my my real name. So um and I've been here like 18 years and when I came I just like nail and I have a lot of my loyal customer and they didn't support me for years and for my character I love to work I work the whole whatever whatever the time my husband want I'm there I just happy to Amen sorry so I just feel like you know during And I lost a lot of my customer because from CO and after co a lot of my client their health is go down from the way the food is not really healthy. I didn't cook and I bring the food for for my customer. I bring to them sharing and I feel like you know I should to do something for my people and finally we can afford from 102 street. So, but because I run a business from and I have a lot of client and all um I'm sorry. That's okay. Take your time. All my income is from that and I want to do the two business together like next together so I can like keep the eye for my people for my staff. they doing well, they do the right way support to my uh restaurant. So I have to be like the same business that you know back and for so I can like keep an eye too and I make sure everything will be on the on the good way. So that makes sense and and probably be hoping that some people will get their nails done

and stay and have lunch. Right. Got it. Okay. Good answer. Thank you. Thank you. So you were helping to present to you guys the project and we hoping to seeking for your blessing to get the approval. Thank you. Thank you very much. I think her mic's not on. Kevin, can you check it? I can normally hear you, Caitlyn. I'll right on your screen that was submitted. the staff report. After reviewing the staff report, we decided that to adjust the um location and move everything away from the property line. Good. And we're also happy to adjust the building so that it will be more. Yes. No, Caitlyn, did you say dumpster 3 ft from the property line and seven the building back seven feet from the property from the front line? Okay,

great. and we're happy to do that. Um we are also requesting the parking which we know has been approved in the past through planning commission. Um the way the planning I mean the way the tand parking would work for this site is the internal parking spaces will be for employees of the restaurant and the nail only employees would be able to park on the internal space. So that the outside that have the easy circulation for the employee. And the idea behind this is that for each station, there's five stations in the mail. There'll be a technician and then the employee may be able to park with the employee, I mean the employee internally and then the customer on the outside for easy access. Both of these uses are not long duration stays. Um our clients have assured us that no one stays longer than both uses so that there would be lots of movement in and out so that if one of the employees needed to get out and have access would be relatively okay and then bring up the entrances. Sure. So miner. So for the the entrance configuration, so currently there's two entrances on the site. Um we recognize that as we develop or any probably have two entrances in the future. Um the Kevin's kind of point of the five spaces. I think we have to check with um DVW to see if this space here

This space here is metered. I'm not sure if it can be parked in all the seen in the past here. As you turn in kind of um Yeah, they're not going to see anyway. So, I'm just kind of using the cursor that one page right there. I would have to check and see. Kevin, do you know is that a concern having that? I mean, I know it's a fifth space, but is it a parkable safe space? We uh code requires that the any park on street parking be 25 ft from an intersection. Okay. So, we can check that. I think it's pretty close. That's why the other space over here is further back when it starts. So, but there is a meter here. So, potentially there might be four spaces um that are actually in this location that's metered. Um all that being said um we can shift the location of all these spaces and continue to keep those spaces. We can have exhibit show that um leading to Kevin's point of whether we have a curve or not. We could also if it's wanted uh by the planning commission we could have more of a um straight in not having to fill it. I don't know if that'll really help too much when it comes to the parking aspects of it because you can see across the street. Um they also still shy away from uh uh from the entrances when they do their parking just so that people won't put the car but they turn out but that's something that we can work with as we go through the resting process. Um kind of the last thing too I mean we

right now we're having one space more than is required. Um the amount of employees were put nails on and the restaurant as long as there's seven employees be safe in that location parking. Um but there's also you know this location is kind of unique in the situation in the fact that it's very close to the courthouse so it's encouraging walkability to a restaurant typeation. Um and additionally we are very close to a municipal parking lot which is right across the street. So um even in uh what we don't believe will be a situation but even should certain some situation arise where there is parking issues we have municipal parking nearby one street parking that's nearby and we believe a lot of be coming from nearby location. Sir, have you uh looked at the possibility of share parking with some of the local businesses and like say Courtland Hardware or something like that? So, in we we haven't ventured down that road only because we could need it on our site. We thought that it was best to show parking met on site before we go offsite for that purpose because we don't provide the parking on site. Then we're basically just removing the shared parking aspect of it. And you know, with the having two separate businesses on this location, there's very likely at least seven employees operating between a host male artist, but people that do that. Um, so we don't think that there's really going to be too much of a problem when it comes to the employee parking being utilized. Um, and I don't know how much

I've spent time in Vietnam, but it's a very relatively quick dish that you have it kind of on the fast casualish side of things. It's still a restaurant, but if you're focusing on that dish, it's just you're not situation. So that's the parking situation. But I I have a question on the parking the tandem aspect. So you have you have the eight and you have the eight. I don't understand. Um are you saying that the one section of eight are going to be employees and then the other eight are available? Correct. Yes. So the the back section here would be employees. So they come in before the store opens and then they would be um or when they're not there. Uh then same with restaurant. So that's that's what the intention is. We only need seven stack spaces. We need seven spaces stacked. We went all eight just because consistency. How do you control that though? I'm just curious. We would have signage so parking strike on the ground there either signage or strike or I mean if I pulled in I I usually don't block a car in I mean I stack parking that's I'm not a big fan of stack parking in businesses to me it's a driveway you know yes add that evening causes problems and you got to get somebody to come move the car so you can get out. I I just I I'm just not a big fan of stack parking. I'd like to

see a different option, but the other option would be to basically not provide that to share parking somewhere else. So basically provide we just because of the lot size um there's just no way to kind of get all your circulation and everything around there. Um so the we didn't stack it basically we would just be eliminating available parking spaces. Um so that was that was why we kind of parking in the rear. Well I get the idea and it's it sounds good on paper. Seriously I mean it does they're parked there. You don't have to worry about them but it's other people coming in or say employees not there yet. Somebody decides to park there. I mean the enforcement monitoring it enforcing it seems to be an issue to me. We could always have some type of change set up where we could just put it across there and when employees coming in the park we could drop the chain. That's that's you know there's ways that we can control it. Our thought was just signage but there's more concern about um people not reading signs then people don't read stop signs in Ber either. So I I I get you. Yeah, I get what you're trying to do and I think it's it sounds good. But the other part too is it's a relative. It's not like a large. So if someone is locked in that unlikely case I'm glad you addressed the u moving the building back so it doesn't that gives the attention to the historical building as well. But did you address um the town architect's uh viewpoints on the coloring and um Oh, I'll start there. Yes. So that's Dan. Okay.

So Dan, if you give your name and address first, please. like you woke up. Are you okay? Um so when we originally started this uh project, we met with the uh owners to discuss with them about the architecture, the colors, materials that they they like they like the architecture style there. So with that in mind and they like the construction projects that are currently going on within the town, we decided to stay with that color with the bricks on the black design and some of the hard link sighting similar to that up next door. Um, so that's kind of how we proceeded with this. So we have, you know, standard black trim. Um, again, this is the this is the first uh which again some of the neighboring uh particularly the property next door. Um and the the owners wanted the owner of property next door 108 to discuss them the building his concerns as well which he has pretty similar concerns as the regards to the building since we're going to be pushing back. had some concerns with some of the colors being more powering of the building. Um so we did take that consideration and we did make some uh revisions to bases comments as well as the neighbor. So with that uh we went ahead we looked

at the roof construction at school which is kind of a top how can we incorporate that into so we have we removed the black heavy more commercialized modern to interrupt um these are new revised plans that they're presenting to you which have not been looked at by the architecture consult so they have not that's why it's now But we had ahead and made those bas. Yes. Um so we went ahead and looked at the metal stainless steal took that design at the front entrances uh to be space now. Again, we're limiting that construction to help bring some of the architecture together. Uh we again using some of the hard side to match the neighborhood. So, we took a lot of those comments. um along with the rear of the building parking lot side and concern pedestrians and glass at the rear of the building. So now it's more employee entrance for deliveries and helps promote the walk. again.

This is uh pardon me for interrupting and I I appreciate the response that you're making with the neighbors and um I I note that the uh the date of the architect's uh letter was April 24th. So you didn't get a lot of time. Yeah. But what I I'm what I'm seeing is on a couple of fronts and certainly all this looks very good, but that would need to be part of a revised submission, not something we could work on tonight one way or the other. And there's there are other issues that have arisen um uh to to do with the stack parking. I'm I'm not too worried about that, but clearly Commissioner Hines, that's on his mind. Uh but that's in my mind more of an internal thing. uh the landscape buffering to the church uh is important. Uh the loading and unloading and then these mysterious parking space issues um that would be I really think you best um resolve by best to resolve those without having to eliminate meters. Then you have to go through all of this and then go to the town board and hope they say yeah well they either are or they aren't ready to do the meters. Um, it's an exciting submission. I I really would love to see this. I don't live far from there, and I think it'd be really good. And I I imagine the developer of the apartments up the street. He's building a number of high-end apartments there, and I would think, yeah, this would be a nice uh place for his tenants to be able to walk down and have lunch or dinner, whatever, and get their nails done. Um, but you're also in a neighborhood that is um We're trying to elevate the neighborhood and certainly starting with the uh with those apartments up there and we already have the little park there that's already a nice addition. And um this particular corner you've got a historic

house next door. Uh then that's very important to us. And then the church behind you, I don't know if it has a historic designation of one kind or another, but it is historic and it's important part of our community. So words, we want this to look very good and to fit into the neighborhood with with those two structures and uh that's that's what would probably um have a very good chance to make it through this process at least at least with to get my support and encouragement. But I would like you to um with with your approval to table this for at least for a month or so, work with the staff, get some of these issues resolved, show us a revised plan for what the building's going to look like, and let that go through Mr. Edme's uh scrutiny. Um I put a lot of value on what he says on any number of properties. I'm not I have no talent of that at all myself. So when he says it's good, then that's good enough for me. And when he says it's not, then that's significant for me. So if if if you all are understanding of that and think that's the best way to work, I would borrowing anything from the rest of us, that's what I'd like to see done. I totally agree. I I it would have to go through another review, but it's encouraging seeing that uh you're approaching and and considering the issues that have been brought up. I think it would be an outstanding addition to the town and to the neighborhood, but needs to be something we can all be proud of and that fits in with you're putting a nice modern building into a very historic block there. That's that takes some special skill. And then there's all these peripheral issues because of the space and it's obviously it's only so big of a lot it can't grow. So, Madam Chair, if uh the members of the board are ready to vote, there was a couple other illegal

issues with respect to this application I wanted to point out to you guys. Oh, um still have to hear from Yes, we have public from the public. Oh, okay. Well, I just want to point this out too, at least it's on the record. There may be an encroachment on um the one side adjacent to um the church. Um there appears to be some sort of depiction of rocks or landscaping or something. So the applicant needs to ensure that there's no encroachment. I don't like encroachments causes legal issues. The second thing is with respect to the removal of the parking spaces and the permission of the board. Um it's not clear to me exactly what the applicant is proposing, but there are two designations here. One is covered under the charter 401, which is the town board has the right to designate areas for metered parking. The second is all of the spaces on that spot. That's okay. All of the spaces on Alice and there's a second designation that is the power of the board and that's three hours. So if they're proposing on removing parking spots for entrances and obviously the town has to allow property owners to gain access to their property. So, I'm certainly not suggesting that it would be a no, but it's just a process that they need to submit a request to have the three-hour removal removed because that's under another section of the code. And if they're removing the metered parking spaces, then they need to ask permission to remove the meters as well. So, there's two requests. If any parking spaces are going to be removed, it's those two. So, I just wanted to point those things out before, you know, we got too far down the line and I forgot. Thank you. Thank you. And you you understand her um issues. Okay. Thank you. Um would uh how many of you wish to

speak? Could you let us know? Is the applicant? Yes. I'm sorry. Yeah. Oh, not no not completely. just kind of one I guess point as it comes to the stacking portion of it could I don't know if it's a room just to make sure that what I want to avoid is we address all the comments come back that becomes an issue um it seems like most of the comments I think staff were in agreement with changes easy and straightforward um parking piece. If it's not going to be okay, then we would have to obviously go down the line and venture into other aspects. So, I don't know what um I can only I can only speak for me and I don't necessarily disagree with Mr. with Commissioner Hines on this, but if if somebody doesn't feel comfortable in stock parking, they won't go there. They'll go someplace else. So I'm I'm not I wouldn't hold you up over that would be my own personal and I just want to show respect at this time next time you come in right I understand completely I don't know how anybody else would you like me it's up to you but I think one of the things that you need to do is to hear from everybody before you start to discuss everybody other. Okay. Well, we can discuss that after. Would any of the public wish to speak? Could you let us know uh how many of you wish to speak, Wayne? Okay. Put that TV. Oh, the how many how many in total? I'm trying to we're trying to determine timewise. All right. So, there

will be three additional people. Looks like four. It looks like four. Four. You want to time it? Yeah. Okay. So, just for clarification, um Madam Chair has asked me to keep time. Each speaker in opposition or support doesn't matter will give be given three minutes um time in order to address the board or any issues. I'll call it at two minutes. Okay. I won't do the micro crayons blasting for you. I just Good evening everyone. My name is Wayne as well as 128. I met with the owners and I met with Tom and I actually use these guys for my projects as well. I consider my friends. Um I I I support the project. I just am opposed to the current architectural iteration of it. I would like to work with Tom and Dan um to create a facade on the building. What I see is a building that has a similar facade as mine that we went away from and has a gable in and we can we can pull some of that sort of the pitch of the roof and the porches and the Anderson windows and we have commercial products that we use on some of our projects most recently the start building. We were able to use a commercial door that actually looks like a historic wood door and has the the glass. We actually are doing the clerk's office along there, 20 off street. We can put a big piece of glass in there so they can continue to have the same functionality of the building they want to do it. It's just going to look a lot older. 10 minutes more. So my my concerns are the dumpster placement. I wish they could push it down a little bit further because I'm concerned that

if we don't require them to have a masonry dumpster with a brick facade on it, it's going to junky and that's going to be a very prominent new coming out of my parking lot 108 bond as well as the stair bond as well as all the outside dining that is on the end cap. So I think we need to address that and I spoke with them and they seem willing to do that. Um we want to make sure that there's a good pedestrian walkway between bond street and you get to the rear of the building if that's going to use reorient that a little bit but what I was proposing to do and I share the cost on this is put a nice brick paper sidewalk my building and their building so that there's a nice wide walkway similar to what you see in Annapolis or some place like that. The setback I was concerned about seems like one minute. I don't have any problem with the stack parking. I think it can be work. It's not going to be as easy to work as you guys. But I think it's encouraging people to walk a little bit more. I would love to have people in my apartment building come down and get their nails done. I might even get my own nails done for the first time in my life. I also think that casual like food restaurant or something like that would be a great addition to get the get the product. They can walk down the pocket park. My only concern is I want a really high quality architectural facade consistent with what we're doing in that corridor to really try to pass it up. We've invested $27 million in a five block area and we believe There's powerful inertia of what we're doing. This this project could be a testament to that. I want to work with these guys to make that happen and I think we can. Thank you. Hold on one second. Mr. Gardner, what do you think about the the new change in coloring? The change in the color is good. Um, but I I would I would suggest I'm not I know you're talking design, but I'm trying to get I'm trying to understand they're changing color. Is that acceptable or is

that changing the colors and move the right direction? First of all, I'll say it's a nice looking building. It's just in the wrong location. Like if you're gonna like that building, in fact, I think Tom and Dan told me that they looked at my building to try to get some designation. But in this case, I think that if you do like it up, I don't think you should have the exact same color, but there's a wide array of those classic board siding colors that I'd like to work with. I did what's called a mist over on Broadway. 100 green over at the start building. I think maybe we introduce one of those different colors and then we have a different kind of shingle instead of using collaboration and then some of the the scallop ones like we did over on the back side of Broadway and then some boards to break it up. I think that with a molding package and a gable like that and some to windows above like that um you know like we dance on my project every day unfortunately cost me a lot of money but that's okay but um we can make it all work together I think if they come back in like I said I'm willing to work with you guys I love the idea I love your story I love that you came to Americ thank you all right next speaker please if you'll state your num name and address Hi, my name is Stephanie Darren. I live in when you're giving your name last name. D I E R E N. I live at 2016 Drive in Forest Hill, Maryland. I've been a realtor for 25 years in Belair. I love Bair. I love the way the downtown has come alive in the

last 20 years. Um, and I just want to say that Jenny and Danny are the nicest people you will ever ever meet. They are great uh parents. They have a family. Uh they care about their customers, their community, and I think they would be an absolute great asset to have in downtown. And the facade, I liked it. I thought it looked great. I mean, I'm sure you'll have to work out some of the particulars on the architecture and all of that, but I think that this is something that the downtown area can really uh benefit from. So, I just wanted to share that. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Who would like to go next? My name is Sue. P R I've lived in Forest Hill now for 22 years. Longest I've ever lived anywhere. Three kids who went through all the schools. So definitely entrenched. Um I've been going to Danny and Jenny for probably 10 years. Um Jenny is an artist. Um If you can imagine doing artwork on a little teeny landscape this big asset and so is best pedicure but more than that they are the hardest working people I think I've ever met in my life. They are at the shop seven days a week all day. If a client needs to come in at a different time,

they will adjust their hours to come. If they have to bring the kids to the shop, they bring the kids to the shop to make everything work. So, and their level of attention to detail and desire to do the right thing. So they would be a huge asset to downtown LA. Um as far as the facade, I think they did a great job. It really suits the nature of the restaurant and the nail salon. I'm sure even a couple of adjustments they've already made would make it blend in the same minute. Thank you. Lisa, I know you can talk louder than that. A rerouted probably right. I started and brought my daughter and we've been there ever since and I have a hair salon. I don't even go to my own place, right? Um, I'm gonna probably say a lot of the same things that Sue just said. They are truly, myself included, the hardest working people I've ever known. The

integrity that they have for everything they do, um, I think is what's needed for successful business. Uh, the what they will do for the clients and I know they'll do two minutes. Oh, okay. Oh, really? Already? Uh for the restaurant, I'm sure it will be the same. And I'm excited about the restaurant because I think we need something like that here. Uh a little different. You know, we never have enough restaurants in Bair. Um and it would be something a little special and different. Um, and concerning the the facade, I I have to say what Sue said. I I think we should welcome a little something different to each person's style while still maintaining the fluid, you know, architectural whatever that you want to call it with everything else. As long as it goes together, I thought what they had was lovely. Um, I'm all for it. I hope everybody else is too. They're just wonderful people. I know we'll be a success. I just know it. Okay. Thank you. I don't think that mic is working. Kev, when you hear Liz speak, she's using the microphone. So, she's the That's why I said I knew Lisa. The lights on, so I can't figure out why it's not working. Nathan Street. I just want to share a couple concerns. I

live a building. I don't think my We have to keep in mind that it seems like starters street. come downirectly. I'm all for the restaurant. I love the idea. I love the townaping that just concerned right traffic. Thank you. Anyone else wish to speak? Okay. All right. Thank you. So, um, we're going to ask to table this until Sure. I I do have a couple questions for Mr. Woke if he has a second. I want to make sure that what the architectural consultant has written

that Frederick Ward is in agreement with. Um, all the fiber cement sighting should match the color of the sighting of the adjacent historic structure. You're okay with that? I don't know how what I dis When we say match, do we mean color or do we mean style? Um because why would we want two yellow buildings together? Well, that's what they're saying should match the color because that's one of the requirements of the historic thing is the color of materials and and it's up to you. But I'm what I'm trying to get is that whether or not they agree with I hear what you're saying and I understand that and that was going to be one of my questions with said the matching style and mass and things like that. the 108 the 108 building that looks like it's about 100 square feet on what 5,000 square foot lot. So that's about 20%. This building here is is 20% of the lot size as well. So massing I mean apples to apples they're they're the same massing size. It's just it's difference in colors. I get the I get the aspect that that you need the same styling, but from a color standpoint. Well, well, when they came back in this second iteration with the yellow up top and then the red, I mean, that's the same colors in the other thing. Does it make sure you're I'm on. Okay. No, I mean, but I'm just saying it are I mean, does it have to be all yellow and a red roof or does it you It's your decision on that. What I'm trying to get is an understanding of what the architectural consultant has said and whether or not Frederick Ward agrees with it. If they don't, fine. Then that can be something that can is that's all I'm trying to get. Well, I guess I guess what I'm saying is when when I see the yellow and the red that they came with the with

tonight, that seems to to fulfill the the coloring. I guess I'm just trying to understand how much of the coloring does it need to be all I up to you. Well, again, we're asking what you would previously. We had the cream color and then Mr. said that it should match the neighborhood more yellowish color. We had more of a cream color in the original. I get that, but I mean I look at cream and yellow and it looks they're about the same. But my my my point being is tonight we heard from Mr. Goddard. He wants to have peaked roof lines and things like that. So that's going to what I mean personally that's going to make him personally happy. Does that I mean I could care less. I I think the building look looks very nice the way it was designed the first time. I thought it was too dark with all the black which you came back with tonight made a huge difference with the way the styling is. based on is it possible? Uh Kate, can you bring up your laptop so you can bring up I I'm I'm confused as to what fiber cement sighting is and whether or not that is changing in color. That's my concern. Is it? Well, that's that's what I was getting at. You know, they use Hardy board next door. You know, that's what I'm getting at with the style is is not the color, but the style of of what whether something is going to be lapsiding or something else. That's and I'm I'm just trying to if I'm just trying to find out because this is what we're going to use. So, if we're if there are parts in there that the federal board disagrees with, I need to make sure that that's discussed. Well, but of course,

the Mr. Edme's review was based on the original submission, not the revised submission. So I I think for purposes of us that uh and and I would I I will say this that from my standpoint, I would put a a very high value on how he reviews the second one more so than um any of the public participation and recommendations tonight. That was fine. But this this is this is who we hire to convince us. Yeah. Okay. Maybe I can make this a little bit easier. Anything in here you disagree with? Okay. All right. Kevin, I think there needs to be one clarification point. Frederick Ward has um has profered, if you will, that they will agree to set the building back off of bond seven feet, but the architect said that the building should fall in line with the porch of 108 North Bond. I don't know. He didn't give a a a footage, you know what I mean? How far back? They're saying fe seven feet. So, I don't know if that brings that. If you guys are okay with that, if you want that, does that fall in line? How would that affect the back of the building? Now, that's where your parking is and you got, you know, with the stack, but you also got parking right behind the building and correct. But they said they could do that between the parking spaces. Yeah, they said they could do that. I mean, I don't know what that means. I think that when because I looked at that even before we got the architectural consultants comments and made that same suggestion that it be pushed back. Yeah. My suggestion was five feet. Okay. But it, you know, at this point what you're trying to do is you're trying to to, you know, they don't have to be exactly matching. They just need to respect each other and have a similar relationship to the road. Um, so I'm just It's a two different me

measurements. Seven feet. That's up to Frederick Ward to decide whether what's appropriate when they resubmit. We have the Okay. And the landscaping of uh giving a vegetation buffer between the church is it have you addressed that as well or will that be addressed? Okay. Good. All right. Okay. Okay. Uh, one last question I've got is how is this uh development going to be um serviced? How are uh is things going to be delivered there? Loading and unloading, right? Loading and unloading. I mean, are there 18 wheelers delivering? Is this box trucks? That's the question I've got. Okay. Okay. I think we've done this on other during hours and just just so everybody's aware, you cannot use Alicean Street to load or unload. You remember when uh we we put raising canes through hell? But Courtland Courtland offloads what we've done here. Courtland offloads pout loads of uh Courtland's been there forever. I'm just I'm just saying I agree. I'm just I'm just I hear what you're saying. I'm just saying. So because also because there would be difficult pay attention to them. Well, they're doing like seven o'clock in the morning. I used to work here. I used to

unload in the back lot with the forklift. They used to back right back where the shop was when I was there. Smaller smaller box trucks, which will work very nicely. No 18 wheelers. Okay. Under the uh one one piece I hadn't heard addressed that came from Mr. Edme was the mechanical equipment is not shown. If it's located on the roof where do we? Yeah, it'll probably be located on the roof. Okay. You're aware of that issue with not that far along to have. Yeah, it didn't the the time frame couldn't have been too good for you? Yeah. No, I mean I think we got one day. Yeah. Yeah. So, the only thing I think I've got is just how you guys want to decide on tandem parking. I know. I was not happy with it even when it was on standard on bond. No, I mean so but you guys it's up it's your decision. I I didn't like it on standard on bond, but they had a way to work around it. Well, that that was my point. Can you pretty much the same way with with employees are going to park there and the other people who park behind them. So, if that's what what they choose to do here, then I'm I mean, I get it. It's what they have to have to live with. So I have no problem with it. Yeah, if they if they can control it and monitor it, that's the point I was getting at. I mean, I like I said, on paper, it looks really great. It's a great idea. You your police park there. No problem. But how you going to control it and monitor it? Make sure I would only ever have to get pinned in there one time and then I would vote with my feet. Oh yeah. That's why I'm not worried about the uh the issue. I mean, for me personally, like you said, possibly putting the chain across it maybe and it with signage on it. Okay. You know, parking, you know, I I wouldn't park in in stack parking because I wouldn't want to block somebody in. We'll be walking up there, right, Jimmy? We're we're

going to We're walking, right? We're in the neighborhood. Okay. And Peter, how do you feel? Uh, yeah. You know, I haven't asked that question yet, but I what I was concerned about is uh what days is the restaurant going to be open? Seven days a week. I know the food is 9 to9 and the salon is 10 to 7, but we don't know what days. Guess what? They're hardworking people. It was reinforced. They never take a day off, right? So, you know, for instance, on Sunday, you're dealing with with the church. Um, and as you move up to the church, u well, there's permit parking, but I think there's a three-hour limit parking there right in front of the church. So, uh, you know, if if your parking lot is full and the meters are full and people are not going to be able to park up Alice and because they don't have permits, I mean, they probably will, you know, unless somebody gets mad and, you know, calls and calls the cops, but, um, you know, I'm I'm all for it. It's just that uh the parking. But then again, I was thinking for instance like Shawn Bolan's. I mean, you've got more parking than Shawn Bolan's. People just park wherever they can find a parking space, but it's it's a popular place because, you know, the food and the spirit and everything. So, uh I I I think it can work. Um now, are we are we going to table this? That recommendation when we get done. Well, I wasn't sure you well because Kevin said, "Well, we've talked about everything blah blah blah," but I think we need to see it on paper again and another

revision. Yeah. By the Yeah, I kind of like the new design and I I agree with what Mr. Gder said. Your original design looked great, but it don't fit there in my opinion. But the redesign, you know, it was a great design, but the redesign looks good to me. Uh that's my opinion, but and you might find that I know it has to go through formality with the architect. It is there any thoughts on the enclosure around the refuge recycling? Yes, that was something that Mr. Gota brought up. As long as there's something that matches the um the architecture, it doesn't necessarily in our view and uh it doesn't have to match in materials. They've got a brick one. What? What? Oh, they do. Okay. What better? But better. Well, then there you go. Pretty classy trash corral, right? Well, that is concern. It provides a good barrier again. The reason we went with some of the architecture we had, not just to add a little more little, right? We pulled some of the arc concerns and this provides a more secure secure area as well. So no trash coming in. Yeah. And the uh you know the gentleman who was here who lives right near there uh he better get used to like a 4:30 in the morning trash pickup because whoever the commercial uh contractor is, he's going to look at this parking and say

there's no way we can get in there during the day, you know, when the employees and the customers are there. So uh generally in Bair they start picking up the trash around 4:30 in the morning. You know, it's a cacophony of emptying dumpsters. That's when they start. Now, this is when you re when you see this again, it is within 500 ft of residential, which means it can't be the trash can't be picked up until after seven, but you can wave that if you wish. Yeah. Well, I think we should. I I just don't see how a trash truck's going to get in there to, like I say, after nine o'clock in the morning. Well, they're they're through by nine o'clock anyway, mostly. Yeah. And I'm being a little facicious, but that's that's that's the truth. That's when they start right now with they're sleeping with the windows open and at 4:30 in the morning, you can hear them start dumping. Yep. So, I need any more direction from us. I know you're going to be working with staff on lots of I do have a couple other questions. I'm so sorry. Oh, great. Um, is there going to be a grease trap? Yes. Where's that going to be located? Okay. You already have storm water in the parking lot, so I'm just just so you know. Yeah, we'd have to look at it. We have to see. Okay. All right. Are you going to have area

lighting, meaning uh lights that are lighting the parking lot? I know you submitted a phototric plan and it and it there's no spillover, but one thing I didn't see was the height of the poles. Okay. Just I mean I'm sure it has been on there, but I just haven't seen it. So oh fixtures on there's five parking lots. Yeah, I'd like to avoid the light. Okay, very good. All right, Phil. Move the submission for 102 Bond Street be tabled. Second. All those in favor say I. Yes. Can I just Can you say continued? Because Tabled says that the hearing is closed. Um, so they're going to be resubmitting and please say that they're going to submit based on the recommendations in the staff report. that gives them direction. Okay. Sorry. Why do we want to have more public hearing? Well, you're they're gonna have to submit new information. So therefore, the public's got to be present to to hear. All right. Um amend the motion um what did you want? um to continue it to continue continued rather than tabled and um to allow them to address review comments in the staff report. Subject to comments in the staff report. And you second it. Second. All those in favor? I I thank you very much. And just

because we're saying continue doesn't mean we don't like your plan. I happen to to like it and I can't wait for you guys to to get in here. But we just have to make sure the eyes are dotted and the tees are crossed. And the second time around is not nearly as bad as this. Yes. Thank you very much. Thank you. Thank you. Uh we're going to continue this meeting. So if you could please wait for your conversations until you're have exited the building, please. All right, move on to the resolution proposal. Nobody bathroom breaks. Yeah. I wouldn't know about the shooting. Nobody wants to stay for that coffee. I wouldn't mind taking that break, too. Thank you very much. Best of everything. I'm going to take that break as well. I really do love these foods. My gosh. I'm not trying to And you know, I'm would love to have known their connection with the Vietnam War and how that, you know, happened and so forth. I'm sure they're walking out totally confused or maybe it doesn't make sense to them, so they're fine with it. Right. Hard work is part of their ethic. That's for sure. Um the um no I I just I have a thing about tandem parking. That's right. I don't know. they couldn't make some kind of an arrangement with the church. We won't open on Sundays until I hope they'll consider that.

Well, that is something that only hours. That has two has two curve. All right. So, you're going to either one or put them together. So whatever those So whatever those missing whatever whatever those spaces are that they're going to like like if they have two 10 foot spaces right now and they get eliminate both of those and just open space and open up 20 foot space. What difference is it than it already is right now? They just have to show it no start. That's why we never got a national game. All right.

Okay. All right. times. This is um believe me, I added this very late and I do apologize for that. Um it was just kind of finalized on Tuesday night at a work session at the town board. Um we had someone come in several weeks ago, months ago, uh looking to establish a shooting range and a gun shop. Gun shop is permitted by right. they those uh are treated as specialty retail. Um but we didn't have anything in the code that even that not only was shooting range but is even close to a shooting range. So we couldn't really answer their you know give them uh an allowance and anything that's not in the code is considered prohibited. So the town board uh has looked at establishing um the use and the use would be in the B3 and B3A. uh which is where and it would be by special exception only B3B3A approximately what areas where they both uh that is the where all the shopping centers are four corners at 24 and Route 1 and then B3 kind of basically runs up uh Baltimore Pike. Okay. And then it does also go down Bond Street as you saw tonight. They were they're B3. Um but yeah, they were looking at going uh into a place along Baltimore Pike, but anyway, I think they probably won't be back, but there probably another one's coming. How do we get axe throwing clear? Where did they where did they fit? That one was considered an amusement. Um, it probably should. Well, this one is it should probably

be somewhat close to this. Although we're doing archery and I'm all for this. I have no problem with it. But I'm thinking, well, we already we proved that. Well, how different is this than that? It's and this is into the in the amusement category. Uh, but uh yeah, it's you feel like you need something specific for for this. Yes, it sounded to me in reading it too that the court of appeals really has much more control over this doesn't even come to you probably unless they build a building. Yeah. Okay. Um but the the thing that that we were looking at is our amusement center definition is way way out of touch. It's basically remember when people used to put all the arcade games into buildings? Yeah. Well, they don't do that anymore. They did that when I was a kid, but TV or your computer. They're on their phone. They're on their phone. Yeah. That definition actually we should include that in here. U but a little later for amending it or revising. Yeah. I mean it's it's not related. So that's one of the problem. We just passed another policy to make sure that anything is related. Yes, sir. I had two concerns with this. Uh I'm I'm all for a shooting range gun shop. I don't have no problem with that at all. Uh but 300 feet from a school that that's a football field. Yeah. We would have a shooting range possibly next to a school pop, you know. Not that that's going to happen. I And 100 ft from residents. Uh I think that'd be way farther away from a school, but it's all enclosed. Well, I get that. But you get some Does that mean some crazy person that goes out of there with a gun? It's too close to the school in my opinion. I I just think that's a bad idea. That was taken from

what we have for amusement center. That distance is the same. But if you would recommend something more, I wouldn't recommend it being anywhere near a school. Okay. I is there a bigger setback or like 500 ft? What's the liquor store000? What's the liquor store set back? Thousand feet. I think it's 500, isn't it? Liquor store. Oh, I I don't have it in front of me. Remember Deckers? They couldn't put anything in that back storage room because it was too Exactly. They could they couldn't use the back storage room. I think it's 500 ft because we can't only treat cannabis the same as a liquor store. And I think it's 500 feet from from a school. I think I agree with Mr. Commissioner Hines that on the on the matter of um it would be very good to be consistent with whatever a liquor store uh needs to do then that would make sense that a shooting range would be not any less restrictive. Right. Okay. Um, I can find that relatively quick. And I would also um see if the best just process-wise if the best route to go is a special item just for this or if it can be more expansive of the amusement thing and take care of this and other things that we don't even know. Liquor store is 300 ft from a school building. Oh, really? I thought it was way not saying that that's right, but there must have changed along the way then. And I know why in Decker's case it was it went to the property line even though the school was it went to the property line. Yeah. Yeah. A lot of these it's to the property line unless it's specifically says building. And this one does say building. Uh I can't remember why. I think it's one point there was a wine bar that wanted to go into town and of course it never did.

Okay. Can for another example, cannabis businesses, which is now legalized in the state of Maryland, must uh use must be set back 500 feet from all public parks, playgrounds, recreation centers, libraries, schools, and daycare centers. So, cannabis has got to be further away than a liquor store. And then we did 500 ft from residential uses. They're both legal, right? and a thousand feet from all other cannabis. That's in the state code. Thousand feet from all other cannabis dispensaries. You can't have more. That's the states wording though. That's their rule where this 300 is the basically the only thing we added to that was the residential. Yeah, we we added for cannabis. I didn't think we had anything for cannabis. We have that's in our code now, but it matches the state's requirement except for the resial. Yeah, we we added the classification because the state didn't say anything about how far it could be from residential. Good. So, I don't want to open my window in my house and Yeah. Stink weed. So, 300 feet for liquor store, 500 feet for cannabis. Cigarettes. Actually, I I I secondhand smoked my dad's cigarettes for about 20 years. So used to I just curious uh Aberdeene Hab of Grace do they have any gun ranges in town within town limits or Habit of Grace does really but theirs is listed in their critical area zone and it's been there forever and I I don't know whether it's public or not but their police use it and I think several other police departments use it. Uh Aberdine does not have anything in their code. County has it in county does. Yeah, only an egg. Well, as far as schools, I think I We think that one's a non-conforming use. It's been there forever because that's not an egg. That's like VB. So, I think I remember correctly that North Harford High School had a shooting range

in the school, right? Remember those days? smoking anymore, but that's what I I will say out of all the research that both Liz and I looked at, most people were sidest stepping this uh most when I say people, most jurisdictions, counties, municipalities were sidesteping. Let me ask you this question. How do we get around having a shooting range in town when it's illegal to physically discharge a weapon in town? Because it's indoor. So if I shoot if I set up a shooting range in my basement, that's okay. We wouldn't say that. We wouldn't give legal advice on that. My wife won't like it, but just curious. She might be the one with the gun. She might like it. Well, do you want a decision on distance from us? We don't need a It's just a recommendation. You can either say yes, no, or yes by increasing it to 500. However you wanted to respond. So what's what's the what's the uh thing for cannabis for residential 500 also for residential? Yeah, it's 500 feet from resial such as 500 ft. I'm good with that. Yeah, that'd be anything further away would be better for me. Okay, Bill, I'm I'm good. So that would be our recommendation. All right. So, you would recommend uh to move forward with it with the uh Oh, I got one more. Okay. Sound intuation. Uh most guns are between 150 and 175 DPS even with head headphones and earplugs inside. It's going to be loud. We want to make sure it don't get on the outside. So that I think one of the items you'd have to add in there uh you know like no alcohol control stuff but I think sound continuation must be enforced and the limits. Yeah, that

should be under the report that's submitted. Yeah, it's in there under the court of appeals. Yeah, because I brought that up as well. Yeah, I was mentioning it as a primary issue. sound attenuation under the um yeah I did see something in there about uh yeah it's under internal it's under ease e such plan shall specify measures relating to security safety noise storage of firearms ammunition environmental impacts it just but it don't mention uh the limits like when I put a generator out in Harford County I had to have limits on the attenuation at the property line of my pumping station so that I wouldn't interfere with my neighbors. Right. So that was do you do you want to sep do you want to specifically address noise in a separate line item or do you you feel it's okay the way it is? I've been up to I've been to the Hickory Range before and you never hear it outside. So I mean I would just say something to the effect that it has to maintain the noise level inside. They have to you know mitigate the noises from inside so that they don't no louder than church bells right since it's under the performance standards. I don't fine with it. I mean that's the way you would address it. I I think the way it's addressed here is they have to submit right what they're going to do and then and then the board of appeals either approves or denies based on that or I I I know one thing I don't have anything that would be able to give them decibel levels that they have to meet. Um I I don't even want to have that

responsibility. I think it's basically there are guidelines that MDE put out for right municipalities follow those and I don't know what the dB I think it was I want to say it was like 100 dB at the property couldn't be higher than 100 dB at the property line us talking is what 85 dB average right now um the way the town works is it's 65 dB um at at the place where the complaintant is and and that's during the day and then once it gets past 11 10 or 11 it goes down to 55. But um as far as the attenuation it would be something that would have to be provided for the board of appeals to uh vote on. Is that good? I think so. Yep. So it's not there's nothing specific there. It's just saying you got to have you got you should have you got to put some insulation in. That's right. Be a lot of insulation. A lot of insulation. Yes. And then uh I think uh in the town there are very few places where you could do something like this. But uh 500 ft from a resident. I'm I'm comfortable with that. But that again limits where this could yes be constructed. 500 feet from residential place. Well, it's, you know, it meets these limitations and so we can do it, but at least we have it in in the books. That's what it put it over next to the new courthouse. Yeah. You know, Kevin, maybe what we should do is just take the 500 ft and do it like we did cannabis and just make sure that we're not excluding it from anywhere. We actually have a a map that is that we used for this 500 foot

uh thing off of commercial properties uh whenever somebody is um uh having deliveries. Okay. Uh because that's the 500 foot where you have to do it before or after 7 o'clock. So we have a map like that. Okay. Cool. Great. Good. We had to do that with cannabis because with all the setbacks it was like is it being completely outlawed in the with all the stepbacks you know between residential other dispensaries thousand feet like yeah it's there's not too many spa places left over. All right very good I got your answer there. I don't really have much else for projects uh because there's no requirement to submit until next Thursday because there's five Thursdays in this, you know, uh this month. So, um the May 8th is the deadline. I'm almost sure you're going to have something for June 5th. Does anybody have a conflict for June 5th? No. Okay. What about the Is that all you have there? That's all I have. The uh the 510 Johnny's is What's going on in there? Is that gonna be Is that going to be I went and got a brick yesterday from my wife from Did you really? Yeah. The guy Norm running the joint. Um gave it to me. Right now, we do not have any No one's come in and talked to me at all about anything going into 510. The place where 510 Johnny's used to be. owns the property. I believe it's owned by um is it the same guy that had the diner? It's the same guy who owns the um uh I think owns the property that Target sits on. No, the guy that owned the diner don't own it. He owned the building. He had he had the business and the building but not the property. Right. U I understand there's four three or four properties in

there. The guy told me yesterday and he was under the impression they were going to turn into a parking lot for the new courthouse. That's the street talk. I don't know if that's rumor. Yeah. He didn't know if that was factual or not. Well, that rumor. So, it it it made sense to me because you would think if somebody was going to I tell people I said, "Well, we're not we haven't seen anything here and I haven't heard of anything even at at your end." And uh why would you demolish a building unless you had a plan to do something with Yeah, that was a nice building, right? I know that they had a lot of breakins. Yeah, they did. A lot of breakins. I reported one of them myself. Yeah, Bill PD said that was the worst one. It costs money to take down a building and you don't have a plan to do something then they built that $4.4 million to build that. Do you believe that? Wow. And they're tearing that down. It was always too much too big. There's a for sale sign on the corner at Walgreens where the Walgreens was where you know the diner and all right on the corner just last week they put a for sale sign up. Does Walgreens own that property outright or they selling all the property there? No, it's they own that property and they'll be able to put something there in front of a courthouse. I thought that's why all were pretty much out of there because it was all going to the state took over all that property. I thought my impression was that the state has options on all of those properties, but I don't know about Walgreens because they they told the diner it had to be out two what last May and but they they opted to go out the end of the year and set it all the way in May. I thought Walgreens owned it, corporate Walgreens, but I I couldn't say for sure. You have to look it up on tax map. That's been an unlucky corner. All nice businesses were there, but it was always

unlucky. I don't know why. All right, gone now so we can not have a court building. Yeah. And I'm glad you did the um sent the letter out reminding people that their approval is coming up. It's coming to the end. Um, we actually already have somebody requesting an extension and but I'm not going to take them in on any crowded agenda because their extension doesn't their approval doesn't expire until October. Uh, it would be the um, why am I Wellwood? Uh, the main street. Okay. So, I that will probably happen in July or August. And the green turtle closed up last night if anybody interested. Yep. All right. Okay. Motion to adjourn. Can I say that? Is there a motion to motion to adjourn? Second. All those in favor?