Planning Commission - Regular Meeting

Are we ready? All right. It's 4 o'clock, so I'll call the Bet Planning Commission meeting for the October 14th to order. Uh the first first item of business is the approval of minutes for the September 10th, 2025 meeting. Make a motion to approve the minutes as printed. I'll second. Got a first and a second. Any questions or comments? If not, all those in favor say I. I. Any opposed?

All right. There is no old business. So, we'll go to the new business. A preliminary hearing for Darcy and Caleb to reszone 1613 East Street from B2 R2 for the purpose of building a home. The property is currently has a home on it and is in poor condition. They wish to tear it down in the current home and build a new home on the property. Are you here? You'd like to come up and let us know what's going on. We actually just tore down the house this week. Um it was abandoned for years. bad bad shape. So, we tore down the house and the garage and we're just wanting to rebuild a house with an attack garage in it.

Does anybody have any questions? Currently, it's a it's a business zone business zone B2 currently. I apologize. I forgot to put their last names on. Our last names are okay. But yes, it's currently zone B2. And is it surrounded by residential? Mostly it is surround by residential to the south and another house to the north that's also zone B2. [Music] If I have any more questions not I would entertain a motion.

I'll make a motion to send it on to the public hearing. I'll second that. Okay, first and second. Any other questions or comments? If not, all those in favor say I. I. Any opposed? We'll go to preliminary hearing here next month. Is that right? Public hearing be public hearing here next month and then we'll vote. It'll go to Yep. I got it. Okay. Thank you.

Thank you. Uh second item is a preliminary hearing for Wanita and Brian Norris doing business as Chile Red Investments LLC own the property addressed at 253539th Street. The property consists of parcels. I won't read all those or four parcels there. The property is currently I2 and they wish to resone the property R3 to allow for town homes. Somebody here to speak on that.

Yes. So, purchased this property what two weeks ago. Finally got it. Um, been working on it for a while. Got out of Texas. Um, finally came to town and sold to us. Um, very nice piece of property. 6.13 acres. Lays very well. Um, we're already started with preliminary drawings on on a few things and plenty of setback, plenty of room to meet all the city's requirements. um done check city utilities should be in good shape on 39th Street. Um this will go in phases. It's not going to be anything that we fill this property up right out of the gate. Um maybe 30 28 to 32 units right out of the gate and then over the next three or four years keep adding. Um anything else you guys like to know?

How many total do you think you would? Um, we're going to run a 6 inch water mane onto the property, which would allow for approximately 84 to 96 units.

Any other questions? This is uh beside the old stone meal, right? Yeah. Her her mom and dad used stone. It's funny how we circle back around there.

Anybody else have any questions? Oh, I guess one more. Is is that stone mill still in operation? I know it's gone through very little. It is hands, but uh yeah. Um yeah. So after they sold it, I think Greg Norman bought it. Greg Norman got sick and then I think the guy that Koopa I think he might have actually got it from the bank. We had small operation, right? Real nice fell just so if this happens I was just wondering I you're going to be right there next to a stone mill and I know the dust and the noise and everything. Is that He's pretty He's pretty old school. He doesn't use a lot of grinding.

Okay. Um, yeah, we've we've had a pretty good conversation already. Um, I I don't foresee it being an issue. That was not my problem. It's yours. I just wanted to bring it up. Larry, we're not we're not looking to change people's lives. I mean, that's that's his business. That's his way way of living. So, we know that's not it's not an issue for us. Kevin, is that property line look proper there where it's next to the stone mill? Sorry. The property line is that that looks really close to the stone. Is it is it good all right where it is?

Well, the stone would be build where it is right now current. But with their setbacks, we've discussed what setbacks they would need. He's he's wanting to go back further than what he's actually. Yeah. mainly plan on running all the utilities on the back side. So you're going to have a lot more setback from the property lines than you normally would for to allow for the utilities on the back side. Okay. So which works out well for the neighbors and everybody else. Just allows more of a setback. Was there a sail on that one time? I believe that was the case. I've also heard maybe part of the airport back in the day. Yeah, I thought it was.

Yeah. You see it's we're starting to get it cleaned. It hadn't been touched I don't know how few of the neighbors keep a little bit of it mowed but it growing up pretty good. We're starting to get it cleaned up. Getting ready to tear them old buildings down. They're pretty far gone. So start getting looking a little better. Anybody else have any questions? Not I would entertain a motion. I would uh move that we send this on to the public hearing. I'd like to hear what the neighbors have to say. Okay. I'll second first and a second. Any other questions or comments? Not all those in favor say I. I.

I. Opposed. Go to a public hearing next month here. Thanks. Um item number three, preliminary hearing for Cole Sinclair doing business as Bedford Development LLC to do minor subdivision of parcel northwest corner John Winds Boulevard and Beldine Road. They wish to divide parcel into two lots. Travis um Cole Sinclair is looking to purchase track two of the Beard Development Buer sub. It's the one we did for Geof Flow a few months ago. We broke it into five tracks and this sits right in the northeast quadrant there at Bellback and John Williams Boulevard kind of at the top of the hill when you go through the stoplight there at Walmart. He's wanting to break that. The existing parcel right now is 2.99 acres and he's wanting to break it into two lots, one being 1.47, the other one being 1.52. Um the lot lines will run east to west. So they'll come off of Bellback. And so lot one will be at the corner of John Williams and Bellback. Lot two will be on Bellback. And he's also, you know, as part of this minor sub, he's wanting to, when we did the original development, we put a drainage ement on the south side of what used to be, he's wanting to split track two. He's wanting to vacate that drainage easement and do away with that because he's want to have the full maximum capacity to develop lot number one as part of this subdivision is what he's wanting to do. Now, one thing to keep in mind on that drainage ement, there is a cave there that developed. It's to the east of him, but all the water from Walmart, John Williams Boulevard, all go into this cave and they go in the cave on the property to the east of him and it comes up and drains through his property and across Bellback into that retention pond next to Aldi's there, that little grow up

area between there. So, in order to develop this property, you would have to fill that area in and put a pipe in and make it enough capacity to hold that water to get it across the road. So, how large pipe was going to require? It'd be a pretty good size pipe.

Yeah, because we're looking at doing a development for another client to the east of this there off Williams Park and it's feasible, but we cannot close in that car feature. So where that cave opening is, we have to stay 75 feet back from that and keep that an opening and preserve it. But this here is where it outfalls out. So you don't have to do that. But it's going to take a pretty good size pipe because that drains a lot of area right there. I mean, it's doable, but it's going to cost a lot of money to do it. So I just want to make you guys aware of that. On the vacate side of that, you know what would have to take place there. And as far as the size of pipe, we don't know yet. So, we run the hydraulics to know, but it'd be a pretty good size pipe, but that area is going to require a lot of fill anyway because John Wayne's Boulevard is so much above it. It's probably going to take 12 to 13 ft of fill in that area to make this a buildable area. Yeah,

but that's what he's wanting to do. What would you anticipate? Three or four foot diameter pipe? I'm going to anticipate 60 inch. Really? Yeah. Yeah. It's amazing how much water comes out of the retention pond from Walmart and what comes down off of John Williams Boulevard because it pretty much, you know, where the new roundabout is, all that water west of there and all those businesses all come to that area. Every one of them. I mean, it's a doable deal, but it being expensive bill to do. It concerns me whether it's going to work out in the future.

Yeah. I mean, it's got to be built right, you know, because if it does, I mean, you're looking at a lot of compaction. You're looking at a 60-inch pipe. So, you got to really get in there and build it and do it right. You know, it had to be a good set of construction plans and make sure it is built to that because I mean, that's draining, you know, a lot of that area to get it out of there.

What happens if it doesn't work? Um well I mean if you approve the minor sub there would have to be a drainage easement put on the pipe and nothing could be built on top of that pipe other than the parking lot. So if it failed, they know at that point there's an easement on it for the pipe, it'd have to be repaired, you know, and also at that point, whoever the developer is, whoever owns that lot, that should be I mean, that's going to be on them to repair it because again, what's the outcome? If it fails, what's going to happen? You're basically going to have to rip it out. And what's going to happen with the water?

Yeah. I mean, it won't fail from a water standpoint. The biggest thing you're going to look at down the road is it collapsing, deteriorating. I mean, if you're going to do it, do do it right. You've got to do probably a concrete structure all the way across there. Reinforced concrete. Yeah. And there needs to be an easement on it and there would need to be stipulations stating, hey, we're putting an easement on it for the city to maintain it. But if this thing fails, you know, there's it's got to be a joint venture, you know, to do something like that because it this just it there's so much water that comes to this and it drains that whole area right there. Now, the development to the east, they would be fine because they're leaving the opening of the car feature open as a retention pond. But this here, you're looking at a pipe that would c cut across the entire development for wherever they decide to put it there. Yeah. But you'd definitely not want to put a building on it for sure. And any engineer would know that because I I'm not doing the design work on this. Someone else is out Indianapolis, but they they know that, you know, they would know you have to do all this stuff. But I just want to bring it to your attention, you know, from a board standpoint what we do have here. Any other questions? [Music]

Not I'd entertain a motion. Well, I'd like to make a statement. I mean, subdividing the property is not a big issue, but vacating the Eastman I think is an issue. I don't think the city wants to I don't want to speak for the mayor for anyone else, but I wouldn't think that the city would want to enter into any kind of an agreement with that kind of liability on it. Uh yeah, we're usually pretty good about stuff like this, but this one's I'm glad you brought it to our attention.

Well, I mean, I didn't want there to be anything left unturned because I mean this that's a huge deal, you know. I mean, even if I was the one designing it, I would still tell you, "Hey, here's what we have to do to do this." I mean, it's doable, but I mean, that's that I mean, it's a huge deal to do it. And to be honest with you, whoever develops this, the cost is going to be so astronomical to do this that I don't even know if it would be feasible for someone to put something there.

So, do they not want us to approve the subdivision unless we vacate the uh easement? To be honest, that easement's so big and we put that in place with the geo flow for a reason. I mean, obviously that's a drainage area. So, we put that there for a reason. You know, the the thing is if if it's not approved or vacated, they couldn't move forward because it doesn't give them enough buildable area for that lot one. Now, if you don't approve the minor, he could keep that as track two, which is three acres, and possibly build behind it and make it work. But, you know, as developers go, I'm not a developer. I'm a surveyor, do my thing, but they're looking at I want as many lots as I can get because this property costs this much money, you know. So, they're trying to get as many lots as they can, buildable area as they can to to do this. And if you look at this on Bellback, you know, there's two tracks there that this developer is looking at. There's track one and two of the geo flow division we did. On the very north end of this is all the power lines. So that entire track one, I mean it's five acres, but three acres of it is tower lines. So it's useless. You can't really do anything with it. But I mean, there is area there where you could shift this back north and probably do a couple of lots up through there. But, you know, as well as anybody, if you're not on the corner lot where all the traffic is, it it hurts you, you know, to not have that. But that's the concerns and things I just wanted to point out to you on what's what could happen here with this with this development. I personally have a problem with vacating the d the drainage easement. I've been in contact with utilities. If this moves forward to a public hearing, I've asked that Misty Adams be here to have be available to discuss it with you. Her

and Travis are going to get together at some point, too. I mean, she's aware of it. I wanted you to know that I talked to her. I don't have the answers to the questions that like I say, we're working on development to the east of this. We haven't submitted any plans yet. It's a major subdivision just to the east of this off of Williams Park. And that one's going to work out really well because I mean it's a nice piece of property, but we do have the curse feature on that one that we have to keep undisturbed. I mean, anytime you got a cave opening that drains, you got to keep a 75 ft radius of a drain easement on it. So, that one's going to work out fine, but I am going to work with Misti on that one also to make sure that all works out the way they want it to be and get all the maintenance stuff together and different things. But if you walk down in there, they've cleared a little bit of that that opening where you can actually see the head walls now where all the pipes come into the cave. So if you're at the head wall about 150 ft up, you'll see the cave opening where all the water goes. And I'm not for sure how it works in the cave, but it goes in the cave because I went down there on the last big rain just to see what it did, but it went in the cave and somehow it bubbles up or raises up and comes out the other side onto this development that we're looking at. And I'm not for sure how it does it.

Yeah. Well, I would think a volume of water would have to rise enough that it would flow out somewhere else.

Yeah. So, it's kind of like working like a weird wall in a mantle. You know, if you got a wall, water raises, then goes over somehow. So, that cave's got to have a lot of capacity to hold the water and then it just comes up and goes back out. And it does backflow a little bit from what I've seen, but not much. It's kind of an amazing deal how it works. I'd like to go down and look at it, but I'm not that brave. Any other questions? I would entertain a motion. [Applause] Well, I hear Scott's concerns and I share them. I think I would make a motion to move this to the public hearing and give us a crack at it next month after we can query Misty a little bit and and give Travis and Misty a chance to work some. Maybe they'll have some answers. I have to say I'm reluctant right now to do anything with this, but I I want to give them a little time to work on that and then we do get another crack at it. So, I make a motion to move it to the public hearing.

Okay. I'll second the motion. Move it on to public hear. Okay. Have a motion to second. Any other questions or comments? All those in favor say I. I. And I am staying. All right. Anything else for discussion? Okay. There's nothing for discussion. I'd entertain a motion to adjurnn. I'll make a motion to adjurnn. Second. All those in favor say I. I. I. worker.