Planning Commission - Regular Meeting

Good afternoon, ladies and gentlemen. Before we get started, I would like for you to bow your head and remember the people we lost in the uh floods not too long ago and pray for their families that the good Lord might give them patience to deal with the tragedy that they're facing. And also remember the volunteers, the police and the first line uh people that help in the recovery. Thank you. And good afternoon again. My name is Cena Nead. I have the honor of chairing the planning and zoning commission uh with my good uh commissioners. and uh welcome to the meeting today of uh July 21st, 2025, please make sure that you silence your phones. And if you're uh volunteering to speak today, keep your comments to 3 minutes. And since we have a full house, if you see somebody else mentions the same thing that you're concerned with, maybe we just don't repeat all of it. Uh with that, please call the role.

Chairman Nead here. Commissioner Batty present. Commissioner Jabar is absent. Commissioner Jabio is absent. Commissioner Javeed here. Commissioner Linton here. Commissioner Little here. Commissioner Min is absent. Commissioner Sineagar here. Alternate Commissioner Dixon is absent. Alternate Commissioner Surell here. Thank you.

Thank you, ma'am. We do have a quorum uh for the members of the commission. You have been sent the uh minutes of the last meeting. Uh I would entertain a motion to approve with or without any comments or corrections. I move. Second. We have a move to uh to approve the minutes of the last meeting as it was published with a second. Any discussion? All in favor say I. I. Any in opposition? The eyes have it. Thank you. Uh with that, we're going to get started with the uh regular meeting PZ2025156. Good afternoon.

Good afternoon. Access surveyors requested approval of a replat of part of lot 2, block 3, Level Farm subdivision into lots 2A, 2B, and 2C, block 3, Bowmont, Jefferson County, Texas. This property is located within the city's extr territorial jurisdiction. The intent of the plat is to divide the property into two residential lots along an existing private road. Staff recommends approval of the request. We did send 10 property owner notices. We received one in favor and one in opposition. Favor stating consider only accepting votes of those that have paid property taxes. Opposition stating I have been maintaining that piece of property for the last seven years. As far as I'm concerned, that property is legally mine. On your on your screen uh is the area um review outlined in red. This is an aerial image of that property. And this is the uh proposed plat. And I do believe we have the applicant present.

Here. Oh my goodness. How are you? Did you get your license yet or not? I did. I did. Perfect. All right. Thank you for asking. So, you can't badmouth us anymore at this state. No. No. I'll be nice. chiropractic. Go ahead. Okay. My name is Colobby Bracken. I'm with Access Surveyors. We're located at 11025 Oldv Road here in Bowmont, Texas. And I would be more than happy to answer any questions you may have. Any questions for the gentlemen? None is hurt. Thank you, sir.

Thank you. Is there anybody in the audience that would like to speak for or against this case? Good afternoon, sir.

If you Keith Bailey and I own the property at the end of the road. Yes, sir. And I'm just the road is my concern. Uh what would happen to the road if they turn I'm not worried about the property turned into a subdivision, but what about the road? All right, sir. Any other questions? Uh no, that's it. Fantastic. Did you give us your address for the record? Yes, I did. You did? Okay. Thank you very much. We'll we'll get an answer for you. All right. Okay.

We'll get one. Is there anybody else that would like to speak for or against this case? All right, we close the public hearing and we go back to uh the gentleman with access surveyor. Uh sir, you had that comment. I would appreciate if you can tell us what your thoughts are.

Uh thank you. Thank you for the uh concerns. Um track 2C as shown uh now designated as Hunter Glenn Trail. Um it's the long strip about 60 foot wide access easement estate is what we're trying to label it now. Um there is an existing easement heading back towards Mr. Bailey's property and basically what we're doing here is designating it as a private road. Uh that way, you know, the easements are going to stay the same and they're also going to be utilized for track 2A and track 2B. So no easements are are taken away. No rights are forfeited. We're basically designating it as a as an access easement itself.

So Mr. Bailey would have access at all times. That is correct. Go ahead. I have a question. We're we're we've been working with Jefferson County being as it's in their jurisdiction along with the city of Bowmont as ETJ. So, we've been working closely with the county and the city to make sure that everyone, you know, is benefited to it to an extent.

It's not a public road. The easement actually runs through what we're going to consider private road at this time. Thank you. And his easement's not going anywhere. Basically, the 60ft ride ofway is going to serve all three tracks now. But he still has a rideway through it. But what about maintenance in on a private road? So it basically his easement's not being interfered on. It'll have to be maintained. What about maintenance of it? If it's a public rideway, then someone's going to maintain it. Well, the three tracks will have to maintain it. And that would be between the other three have to maintain uh the the two existing ones and then the second existing one we're splitting into two.

Is there an objection to turning it into a public road other county city whatever? I believe there is. Yes, sir. Why would you consider I mean uh it would just cost a significant amount of money to bring up the existing road to damage. This man is at your mercy or the owner's mercy to maintain that road. Does this perpetual access easement is already recorded? It is already recorded. It's an access easement. That's not maintenance. That's right. He he has an he has an easement crossing the current land owner's estate. Understand? So, you know, the current land owner couldn't, you know, harm or or make less the existing access easement.

Understand it gives him access, but no one, it's up to the owners of the southern to maintain that rideway, right? So it's under their, you know, their agreement at this time. It is they can't harm it. So, you know, it's not, we're not necessarily creating an easement. We're just designating one for all three tracks to use. It is not a part of it. Well, his easement's already there. We can't touch it. I understand easements, but also understand rightways. I mean, maintenance on. Yes, sir. Okay. Is there going to be a cover set or coveret area? No, sir. It It just runs straight off of Highway 365. You just But Yes, sir. I'm missing something here.

Get this here. Is the uh is the road concrete or asphalt? I believe it's a rock/ dirt road. Rocks. Yes, sir. But it doesn't matter now. future. Thank you. Any other questions for the gentlemen? Uh I'm sorry sir, you had your your time. Thank you. I believe what I'm what I say will clear up all this and understand more.

I'm sorry I you had your your time. Thank you. Clear up the answers. All right, sir. Thank you. Thank you. The the the question is are did you get your answer or not? Okay. To a certain extent and he was concerned about maintenance. We have to talk about it at the podium not from the audience and to maintain the integrity of the meeting. Why don't you come back and and tell us? Let's do it. I sure as the heck don't want you to go home unhappy.

I understood what access surveyors was saying that it's still going to be a private road and that was my concern. I have been maintaining that road for the last seven, eight, nine years. Yes, sir. Supplying the rock, filling in the potholes. Me and the two lots in front of us has just come to an agreement to redo the road again as long as it stays private. I don't mind maintaining it. Well, fantastic. You might even have some some people to share in with you. So, that's I've been doing it. I don't mind doing it. We just want it to stay private. Perfect. Thank you very much. You're happy. I'm happy.

I'm I'm loving it. I'm loving it. Thank y'all. Whoever is not happy, talk to the city attorney. Oh, we all out. We're going to go to All right. So, we heard from the applicant and we heard from the uh neighbors and um any discussion? All in favor say I. I. Any opposition? The eyes have it. Thank you. Let's go ahead and go to uh ma'am. I would love for you to do a motion with that. Most of you haven't done the motion on. We did ask for a vote but didn't ask for a motion, right? Yeah. Making it private. All right. Second.

All right. Let's slow down. Let's slow down. Then Mr. Little made a motion to approve. It was seconded. Second by Commissioner Jabat. Any discussion in the matter? All in favor say I. I. Any in opposition? The eyes have it. Thank you, ma'am.

No. And you see why I was doing what I was doing because we got people here that don't let us go full speed. So easy 2022157. Anastasia Cormier of Christ Fellowship Church of Bumont is requesting the abandonment of the 30 foot unnamed alley to the west of the property located at 2930 Avenue F north of Washington and south of Terrell. The I'm sorry, Terrell. The church is hoping to obtain the property from the city of Bulmont in order to expand their building to better serve the community. This item was sent to all interested parties. Planning staff recommends approval of the request with the following condition being that if approved, the applicant shall obtain an appraisal and title search report for the property to be abandoned at their expense. The appraisal and title search report must be submitted to the planning offices along with proof that payment has been arranged prior to the item being placed on the city council agenda. The area outlined in red is the area under review. That's where they wish to abandon the alleyway. aerial image. This is the subject property and to the south alleyway and to the south, to the north, east, west, and I believe we have the applicant present.

Any questions for the lady? Thank you. Is the applicant in the audience? Good afternoon, ma'am. would you please uh give us your name and address and if you have any additional information you can give us

my name is Anastasia Cormier. Um the address for the church is uh 2930 uh Avenue F. I don't live in the city limits, but um we're we've been trying to get the property so that we can expand and build a new building so that we can better serve the community and maybe start some services back there that are not there because we're talking about if we can get a big enough building, maybe doing some afterchool care and things like that, but we need that piece of property. We've been cutting it for the last 20 years because there's was some confusion and they thought that it had been abandoned and it hadn't. So, we just started doing the research recently to find out that it had not been abandoned prior. Okay. Any questions for the lady?

Thank you, ma'am. Thank you. Great. Uh, we heard from the staff and also the owner and uh uh I would entertain a motion uh any opposition to approve. So, move for approval with the condition or deny. Second. Um, are you going to ask if there's anybody else who wants to speak on it? Well, there's nothing on my paper that says that they send this to all these people. So, that's why I did not ask for that. It still should be open to the public. Yeah. All right. But you can't blame me for it. He's not here. I get it. All right. I get it.

So, we opened the floor for It wasn't supposed to turn into a comedy show, folks, but it's going that way. Uh we open the floor for the public comment. Is there anybody in the audience that would like to speak for or against this case? None is heard. So we close the public hearing. Now I entertain a motion. So move for approval with the condition. Second. We have a motion to approve with the uh conditions and a second. Any discussion? All in favor say I. I. Any in opposition? The eyes have it. Thank you. Uh let's go to PZ2025210.

Access surveyors requests approval of a replat to a portion of lot 5 abstract 11. I'm sorry if I say this wrong. D show league survey uh Bowmont Jefferson County, Texas into lots 1 through 5 crossing edition Bont Jefferson County, Texas containing 3.55 acres more or less. This property is located within the city's extr territorial jurisdiction. The intent of the plat is to divide one large track into five residential lots. Staff comment or staff recommends approval of the request and I would like to add the condition to read one condition to read. The plat shall note the record number of the perpetual access easement on the plat prior to final recordation. Staff sent 13 property owner notices. We received zero in favor and zero in opposition. The area outlined in red is the area under review. Here's an aerial image. And this is the plat.

And again, this is one of those situations. This is an existing private road. All right. Would you repeat that condition one more time, please? The plat shall note the record number of the perpetual access easement on the plat prior to final recordation. Perfect. Uh the applicant.

Good afternoon again. Hello. Uh Colobby Bracken with Access Surveyors 11025 Old Both Road here in Bumont, Texas. Mr. Bracken, do you agree with the condition that the uh staff has put on the I would agree with the condition if we could find that easement. We wanted to make sure that there is an easement per this plat. We were unable to locate an easement for that driveway on the south end of the the portion on the south end of this minor plat. We want to make sure that there is one being as there's a a driveway crossing it which would uh be granted towards the apparent uh home or property that's using that driveway.

Well, it shows on your survey but you don't have any documentation for it. Correct. It's per this plat which we're creating one at this time. So dam

let me make sure uh engineering believe that they're here if that is acceptable. Um I think Molly just walked in. Um so on this plat to the south um there is a existing private road. Um they don't have a perpetual access agreement already filed. Um, in my opinion, they need to have that on record before we do a final recordation of the plat. Um, I would think that they would need to create one and file one and then have that on there or they can do it per the plat. That's correct. Uh, either way that the instrument ties that easement directly to the property and is not and it stays with that property as opposed to an agreement.

Molly, would you introduce yourself, please? Sorry. Molly Veril, 801 Main Street. Um, my position is public works director for the city of Bulmont. Fantastic. Okay. Is that going to solve your issue? All right. Thank you. And for whoever is making the motion, they need to state the the condition as it was stated. Uh, thank you very much, sir. Thank you.

Is there anybody in the audience that would like to speak for or against this case? None is heard. So, we close the public hearing. We heard from the staff and also the applicant and there's a condition and uh the city public works manager is agreeing with it and u I entertain a motion. I move we approve as per motion and the condition condition second. We have a motion and an approval. Second. Any discussion? No. All in favor? Hi. You okay? Mhm. Okay. All in favor say I. I.

Any in opposition? The eyes have it. Thank you very much. At this point, we're going to start our joint meeting with the city council and the honorable mayor West is going to get us started. Mayor West, I hope you have better luck than I did. I have roll call, please. Mayor West, present. Mayor Pro Tim Turner, present. Council member Krenshaw here. Council member Durio is absent. Council member Hillyard present. Council member Sherwood. Council member Williams present. Thank you.

All right. Welcome everyone. This is a joint meeting with the quorums of both city council and the planning and zoning. And today the items we're discussing this will be the only opportunity to speak on them. We won't be speaking again at the council meeting. Uh the items will be heard at the next available agenda for a decision on these items. Uh and I don't believe I have anything else, so I'm going to turn it back over to you. Thank you, sir. Appreciate it. And welcome. Uh we're going to get started with PZ 2025126, please.

Good afternoon, Mayor and Council. Uh before I get into this uh planning case, I would like to provide information on what exactly a planned unit development is. So a planned unit development or a PUD is a zoning district that supports an approved comprehensive development plan to encourage unified design and mixed land use such as residential, commercial, retail, professional offices, and institutional facilities. Uh by approving a reszone 2A planned unit development or a PUD um it will allow greater flexibility to buildings, lot sizes, common shared spaces and a public amenities which would support the greater goal of a master plan community. So the required steps to designate a PUD is to first receive approval for a reszone uh from the existing zoning district to a planned unit development which is reviewed by the planning commission and affirmed and then affirmed or denied by the city council. The second step is to receive an approved specific use permit for the land use and density plan which follows the same requirements as the reszone application. You can go to the next one. For this case, Sam Joerger III is requesting a reszoning for approximately 366 acres located at the southwest corner of Don Road and Delaware Street to go from residential single family, residential, multifamily, and agricultural residential districts to a planned unit development or a pud to support a highquality master plan development. It should be noted that before any development of this site occurs, a specific use permit must be approved and establish to establish the land use and density plan. And what that means is the development plan of the site. At this time, Mr. Joerger is only seeking approval for the reszone. So, he is in step one of the phases we just discussed. Um, for him to break ground, of course, he has to to receive an approved specific use permit. Um, planning staff does recommend approval

of this reszone request. We did send out 249 property owner notices and receive 200 in favor and 10 in opposition. Favor states that this will be did get 200 in favor.

I'm sorry, two two in favor, not 200. I apologize. We received two in favor and 10 in opposition. Uh favor states this will be a new concept for Bulmont and they wish success to the developer. opposition states concern of drainage, impact to deer, negative impact to surrounding neighborhoods, traffic, noise, uh issues with no description of what will be built, does not want apartments, and it was stated it's ludicr it's a ludicrous proposal, and anyone going along with this arbitrary, inappropriate request should be voted out of office and is not fit to be a resident of Bowmont. At this time, we do have Mr. Joerger present. Um, and if commission's okay with it, he did prepare a short presentation of the master plan communities he's done in other parts of Texas. Um, which are areas uh such or such as areas within the woodlands. But today, the area outlined, you can go back to the one before. The area outlined in red is the area under review. So, you can see those different colors within the red outline, which is green, yellow, and then you can see a bit of orange along Don Road. Um, orange is uh what allows apartments there by right currently. That's how the current zoning stands. So, what he's wanting to do is change all of that into a planned unit development, which means it'll be a you can see to the north there's that um uh brown color. That means that all of that uh zoning district will now be that brown color. Um and again, what that is to what what the purpose of it is for a master plan community. So on the next screen, this is an aerial image. U this is by the HEB. You can see uh Delaware to the north, Don on the east. Um and to the uh south is Glattis. And then next

and then this is a zoning map or a map um that Mr. Joerger provided us. Um you can go to the next. This is the subject property. Again, this is a huge track, so the aerial image is probably the best view of the track. Um, and then we do have a short presentation if commission and council are willing um to hear from Mr. Joerger who is the applicant. Um, again, if you guys are willing, it's a very short presentation.

Well, I think by the uh number of uh people present here, it might not be uh bad to to to go ahead and look at that presentation. All right. Uh so uh is that it on your side? Mr. Diego, good afternoon, sir. Good afternoon. If you'd be kind enough to introduce yourself and then we love to hear from you.

Great. My name is Sam Jagger III. I'm president of Acadia Dellan LLC, which is the property owner and applicant in this case. I appreciate the opportunity to speak today uh and discuss this property. I know it's a subject of great interest. I've answered a lot of questions over the past couple of months from residents and I know there's a lot of concern over this uh particular project and what I want to say today is that um this is the first step in a multi-step process uh and we are here to um change the zoning and then proceed next with planning uh and there'll be another opportunity for everybody to review the plan and discuss the plan at a later date. So as part of that um what we want to talk about a little bit today is the benefits of a plan unit development uh to create a master plan community or an MPC. MPC's offers numerous benefits which include strong creative identity with consistent placemaking curated architectural style with an ongoing deed restriction and architectural guideline enforcement for all uses. A variety of housing options with a convenient walkable and integrated mixed uses connected by amenities. Diverse amenities such as decorative signage, landscaping, trails, lakes, recreation centers, parks, and shared spaces. A more well-rounded community oriented living experience with a sense of belonging. Higher, more stable and resilient property values supported by the scale and benefits and scope of the MPC. So when I talk about MPCs, you know, what am I really talking about? And um as Miss Ingman um mentioned, I brought some of the projects that we've done previously. So here's an example of one of our projects called Harper's Reserve. This is located just east of the woodlands uh in McGomery County, Texas. And you can see the residential and the lakes and the amenities and trails and landscaping and the commercial and the residential and the

schools that are all constructed in this. Next slide, please. So just to give you an idea of scale of this project, uh it's a Gulf Coast architectural style, so it has its own style that's associated with the project. There was 2,160 homes uh that were constructed in the project, 76 mixeduse acres, 880 total acres, 850 million in assessed value. There were two recreation centers in that project, lakes, a trail system, and 160 acre nature preservation area. The website is at the bottom of that page in case any of the residents would like to look online. Uh we do have more information online about that project. Next slide, please. Here's some pictures of the recreation facilities, the entry, and some of the lakes and trails. Next slide, please. Another project we've we are currently working on is called Ottabon. Uh it's at the intersection of uh 242 and FM1488 in McGomery County. It's a transitional architectural style. Uh, and it's supposed to include about 5,000 homes, 550 mixed-use acres. It's 3,000 total acres. There's 3 billion dollars of projected tax value at buildout. There's a 76 acre um park system which will include multiple parks, lakes, and trails and two recreation centers. Next slide, please. So, here's some images from that project so you can see sort of how those things are are brought to life in the project. Next slide, please. So, uh, our last presentation of another project we're working on. We're about halfway through this one called Fulshire Lakes. It's in Fort Ben County. Uh, it's Mountain Prairie transitional style. Uh, it has 1,615 homes planned, 62 mixeduse acres, including the school you see in the background. 629 total acres, $880 million of assessed value of full buildout. It has four lakes, interconnecting trails, two parks, and a

future recreation center that's about to go out for bid called Travis Park. And you can see on the bottom there, that's the website for Folster Lakes in case anybody wants to take a look at that online. Next slide, please. These are pictures of uh the retail and restaurant area. They're planned, the school, you can see over on the right, our recreation center at Travis Park, and our parks, lakes, and trail system here. So, we've also provided some additional information to the city in the form of a short video um that we have published on our website that is in the words from our residents in our Harpers Preserve project. You're welcome. I know there's a lot of people and a lot of things to get to today, a lot of business, but uh it is available on our website. We also have one on our website and we encourage all the residents and anybody else who would like to see it to to really go online and look at it. We're proud of our communities. Our goal here is to get through the first step. We are also working on drainage with the Jefferson County drainage district. There's detention facilities and drainage facilities that run through this property. There are existing agreements to expand those facilities and the drainage district has asked us to work with them to expand them even further and we are continuing to work through that process and um you're welcome to talk to the drainage district as well about that. Happy to answer any questions anybody has. Um

any questions for the gentlemen? Uh yes. I'm looking at your your examples that you do have and I'm assuming that uh and and the property that you you're looking at. How close are they going to be to those examples?

Well, each of these are unique. They're different because they're in different markets and different locations. This will also be unique, but the plan is for this to be a thematic community. This one is 365 acres. So, um has it's on the smaller end of the spectrum. So there will be mixed uses, there will be amenities. Um that is the plan for this site. And part of the reason uh we have to go through this process is we need to develop a plan that's going to be consistent with all these zoning uses that are around us as well as with this detention system that we're going to work with the drainage district for. So how we extend that amenity system through the middle using that drainage system uh will sort of help us determine um you know how that land plan is put together. uh but we also need to know what uses we can work through and that's why we've come to you today. So there will be elements of this that will get into this project. We're just not at a point where I can say, "Okay, this is what this is." Sort of like your other applicants on plats where they say, "Well, this is the configuration of the land." And, you know, it's yet to be determined what the house is going to look like and those things. We'll have to come back to city council and make a presentation on land use. And I imagine we'll have more details at that time, but we we don't want to give details that aren't correct or that haven't been developed at this point.

Okay. Impossible to change later. Okay. Uh, so no, that's it. Any other questions? Uh, Mr. Jagger, uh, you've shown some apartments and some of those pictures. Uh, are you I know this is not what we're doing today. Understood.

But, uh, are you, uh, having any plans of having any apartments in here or any subsidized housing? We don't have any plans right now for uses because we just haven't gotten to the point of planning uses, but I would just say that anything that we did do would do would be of high quality like we're demonstrating here and we're proud of the projects that we put forth and we don't want to get out in front. Um, I don't want to also say anything that is not absolutely true because we just do not have a land plan yet or a plan to present. When we do that, we will have to go through the planning group again and we will have to go through city council and we plan to do that and we're happy to answer all the detailed questions at that time.

Uh, one other question. Have you had a chance to visit with the neighbors? I have visited with some of the neighbors. I visited with some today. I visited some with by phone that actually phoned me after they received notices. So, I've answered all the calls that have come to me. Um, and I'm happy to visit with the neighbors uh after this meeting if they'd like to visit. I brought some additional materials uh that they might be interested in, but I'm always happy to listen to any any comments or questions from the public. Thank you very much, sir. Thank you.

Now, we're going to open the floor for public comments. Uh is there anybody interested in in having comments? Uh we'd be happy to hear from you. Uh please remember that you have three minutes and uh just raise your hand and we get started. Mr. Pariji, of course you had to be the first one. My name is Sam Pariji and my office is at 445 North 14th Street. We are the two people or my cup or my people voted for it because we think this is something new to Bowmont and we think it can't do anything but give our citizens of Bowmont an alternative to where they want to live. They don't have to come to Montlair where we just added 12 lots. They don't have to come to Belchase where we added 24 lots. They can come go somewhere else where they want to go and give them an opportunity. Now, they might pay a little bit more, but I I think it's great. And it is going to cost the city of Bulmont, I don't think, a dime. So, I'm about it. I'm all in favor of it. Even though it's going to help our property across the street where HB was and all that vacant land down Delaware, we still own some and it can't do anything but help us. So, we're we are in favor of it. Thank you.

Thank you, Mr. Pariji. It's good to see you. The gentleman in the front. Good afternoon, sir. My name is Michael Coleman, 6485 Wellington, Place. Mr. Coleman, go ahead, please. Okay. Um, uh, would you set the clock for him again, please? Go ahead.

Okay. Uh, basically, I'll have to say I'm in favor of this. However, I have some concerns. Um, on traffic, um, our mailbox on Wellington Place has to be replaced about every 5 years now because it gets smashed pieces. The poles out on the curve out there are replaced annually. So basically as we in general look at the traffic um it just has to be con put in consideration and as you talk about the drainage. I would like the plan as uh as the u as the as the uh planning is considered in the drainage to take into account the drainage in the neighborhoods as well as the just the drainage inside the plot. It needs to incorporate Wellington, Wellington Place, and the other neighborhoods directly associated. When the last little subdivision was put in next to Wellington Place, that wasn't taken into account and it really had a lot of Wellington Place problems. And the deer need to be handled in a very uh careful manner with the game commission. There's a lot of them in there and they need to be handled carefully or there will be lots of problems for the developer. So that's really all I have. So if all these things are handled carefully, I think it'll be successful and I wish these people well. So thank you.

Good to hear from you, sir. Thank you. Is there anybody else that would like to speak for or against this case? Yes, sir. Good afternoon. Good afternoon.

My name is Robert Nicks, 1605 Hyde Court in Bulmont. No description of a planned project has been provided, thus making it impossible for anyone to favor this request as the options within the definition of a PUD are vague uh and absent concerning this proposed project. Basically, the process is in reverse. If you'll notice, the city of Bumont is going to a lot of trouble to explain what is going to be in an upcoming bond election. There's a reason for that. People want to know what they're voting on and what they're approving. You You're asking basically uh the public and the city council to approve something that they don't know what's excuse me that they don't know what's coming. Uh the traffic on Delaware, Dalon, and Glattus are already terrible. It's difficult to maneuver on those three areas. And now we're asking to add additional traffic. That's going to be a problem. How many of you have been by HB recently? To look at the parking lot, to look at the traffic around it is pretty bad. Don the same way. We had trouble getting out of the addition today to come to this meeting and this is during the summer when school is in Marshall Middle School traffic backs up past our intersection. What you're asking basically to do is to approve something that you don't know what will be. The city has no plans to address the traffic once once approval is obtained. And so basically there's nothing in a

bond issue for it. That's the other end of Don. And so basically what we're doing is you're saying let's approve it now and we'll deal with the problems later without a plan. That's not a good planning process. You need to know what's coming so that you can anticipate the problems that'll be associated with it and develop a plan to address those problems. So we have the process reversed as to what it should be. Thank you. Thank you sir.

Anybody else that would like to speak for or against this case?

Uh go ahead. You don't have to.

May we have your name and address, please?

Michael Gat, 7950 Phelin Boulevard. You know, when I go to other cities, when I go to other cities and see how nice some of them are, I wonder why we can't have some of those nice things in Bumont. This is one of those nice things that you see in other cities that we need in Bulmont. We have over 300 acres right now that is primarily zoned agricultural. That doesn't generate a lot of property tax revenue. What Mr. Joerger is trying to do is build nice homes and put in commercial development along Delaware and Dallas. The previous speaker talked about, well, we don't know what he's going to do. Neither does he right now. He knows what he's done in the past, but you have to get this zoning changed before he can get into the nuts and bolts of actually doing this project. And then it comes back before planning and zoning and to the city council. This process is not in reverse. This is the first step, as Mr. Joerger said, of a multi-step process. You get this zoning change done. Then he gets to work and starts drawing everything up. And then it will be presented again with the request for specific use permits. And then everybody gets a chance to come back out and voice their concerns, their approval, their disapproval, whatever. But this process starts here today with the zoning change. Now, we can just leave it just as a green belt forever.

We can do that and the deer will be grateful for that, I'm sure. But folks, every part of the West End used to look just like that. Down West used to look just like that. The deer will be fine. They will naturally migrate to other parts of Jefferson County that are more rural. Give us a chance to progress as a city. Give us the opportunity to do something nice for the citizens of Bumont. Thank you.

Thank you, Mr. GS. Next, anybody else that would like to speak for Oh, yes. Good afternoon, ma'am. How are you? Now that you're all signed up and legal, we we can hear from you. Please directors. Well, why don't you come up here and introduce yourself and then we'll listen to you. I have been a U. If you please uh state your name and address for the record.

Yes. I I am Gwen ODM. I have been in Bumont since I married in 1963 to my husband who just passed away. So I'm in grief, but I'm very happy to say that I my children were raised in Dallas on Dallas and west side. I had gave them wonderful educations both in what we have as school systems here and the Catholic school as well. And I am so happy that I was able to live long enough to buy a lovely home in Windsor Park. When we moved into Windsor Park, it was a love is about 25 years ago and uh we had the most wonderful uh re very rigid HOA. We had very rigid guidelines and most of those people have moved on either they passed away. One was our congressman. He was my neighbor, his wife, uh, Jack Brooks. You might remember. Um, we had the most fabulous neighbors and the fabulous board of directors. We were very intent about certain things that went on. One of those I I took the minutes, by the way, and sent out all the all of that type of information. That's why I'm so stored. Um, but what happened, one of the most important things about the in the entering of our addition is it says no outlet. By that it meant the fire truck can't

get in to put out the fire. Now, if we have this big thing going on that you have no idea about what you're doing and what you're going to sell us or or make us comfortable with, we have families now with very very young children. Um, it's changed a lot. Many of our or many many of our streets now have moved on to what we call um younger generation. These kids walk to school which is right there around the corner, right? We're we're just two I mean we are literally in the backyard of the library. That's our turnin. Next to it you have Rogers Park. They can go play. The moms love it. They push the doggy and they push the baby carriage and there's Rogers Park. Now, one problem we do have, the poor little United States parcel um trying to get to our mailbox at about 3:30.

Forgive me, Mr. Your three minutes is over and I'll make I'll make a motion to give the lady another minute. I'm just making a point. If you stop for one second, I'm just make a motion to give the lady another minute. We're blocked in. Do it.

No, I'm just saying we're blocked in. And also, I had to call and have them. We have an oil well thing that we had to deal with and I had to have all that put out, fumes in my house and everything. So we the man is going to eventually have to stand here and answer how will you handle all of that? But mostly it's about inlet outlet. We we can't have obstructions into the entrance and to be able to get in and out of our little small community. Thank you.

That is a the biggest thing on the agenda for me is what if we had a fire? anybody had a fire. Behind the gate is addition. It's smaller than mine, but you still have to remember that was one of the bigger issues at all of our board meetings was safety. Perfect. Thank you very much, ma'am. Have a great day. Is there anybody else that would like Mr. Monroe, too? Good afternoon, sir. haven't seen in a million years. The first thing I want to make comment about is I know would you would you state my name and address?

I'm like the rest of them. Well, you call me Mr. Monroe. I figured I was in. Yeah, but but but the recording doesn't know that. My name is Bill Monroe. I live at 6820 Windsor Parkway. Believe it or not, we even asked San Purichi for his name and address. Yeah, that that's true.

All right, go ahead. Okay. So, and the comment I'd like to make number one is there were a bunch of good people down here last month and they were down here and they were wet out there and all of a sudden we turn around and the planning zoning folks were nice enough to come down and say it's not going to happen. And the reason it wasn't going to happen is because we didn't have enough city council members here. And I contacted one person in that group who reminded me to remind them even on rainy days we work in Bulma. And I think that's about the best way to put it. So you had some citizens down here who weren't too happy about folks not showing up. Number two is on Mr. Jagger and this project. I live right on the border of it and I think they really are going to do a great job with this thing and we still have the ability as a community in in Windsor Parkway if something comes up an apartment complex section 8 housing anything like that. I just want to make sure I understand this right that we can come back before this commission and protest that and that is the understanding correct there. You understood that correctly, sir.

Okay. See, now I got a minute and 37 seconds left and I'm out of here. There was a lady over there. Thank you, ma'am.

Shut up now. I think so. Good afternoon. Hi. Would state your name and address for director, please?

Christina Loki, 560 EHART. I'm on the other side of Bill Chase. Um, I'm also the economic development manager for the city of Bowmont. And for many people, they may not know, but economic development is a new department that the city and council has instilled to allow for development projects like this one. And if there was a way for economic development to check on a project, it would definitely be a project like this. I just want to take a moment to emphasize the importance of thoughtful development, especially in a prime location like this one in Bowmont. This project represents exactly the type of growth that we need. A master plan community that brings quality housing, amenities, and long-term value. Bowont hasn't seen anything on this scale before, and it's an exciting opportunity to set a new standard for how we grow and plan our future. I personally have met Sam Joerger. I went to several of the properties that he even showed himself and they are incredible units, incredible planned unit developments that I have seen firsthand. And for Bulmont to have an opportunity to experience something like that is not just an step forward, but it's a step towards growth and development. And we have to understand the difference between developed and underdeveloped land and the amount of appraised value that helps not only the city but the county and more importantly BISD. Thank you for your time.

Thank you ma'am. Is there anybody else that would like to speak for or against this case? We're going to close the public hearing. We heard from the applicant also the staff and number of the uh the uh neighbors and the uh with that I am going to ask for a motion. Motion to approve. Approve. We have a motion to approve. Is there a second? We have a motion and a second. Any discussion in the matter? All in favor say I. I.

Any in opposition? the eyes have it. Thank you. Good luck, Mr. Jagger. We'll look forward to seeing you again. Okay, let's go to PZ2025140. Yes, sir. Uh let's let's wait a minute for the folks that came for this case. Maybe they want to go home. Were they for against?

I think they just didn't know what it was. Stop. Didn't work.

All right, we're back in the session here. Uh, we're going to get started with PZ2025140.

Yes, sir. Ali Hamdam requests a reszone for the halfacre property at 3709 Concord Road from residential single family to GCMD general commercial multiple family dwelling district or a more more restrictive zoning district. The applicant submitted for a certificate of occupancy which allows to allow a tire shop at that location. Due to the current zoning being designated as residential, the C the CO was denied as a tire shop and not permitted within the residential district. If approved, this request could result in spot zoning by introducing a higher density commercial use into a predominantly single family residential area of Concord Avenue. Approval of this request may violate chapter 211 of the Texas Local Government Code. As such, planning staff recommends denial of this request. Staff sent 18 property owner notices and we received zero in favor, one in opposition. Opposition expressed concerns with commercial uses near single family homes and crime within the neighborhood. The area outlined in red is the area under review. As you can see, all surrounding around it is uh yellow, which is residential, single family. That's the zoning district there. They're requesting to turn it to that purple um color, which is uh commercial right there. Next slide. This is the aerial image and this is the subject property. It used to be a florist um shop. Now they're wanting to turn it to a tire shop per if the reszone is approved. This is to the west, to the east, and to the north. And I believe I do not believe the applicant is here unless they showed up after the meeting started. Is Mr. Hampton here?

He must have left. I don't Anybody representing him? All right. Any questions for Demi? Yes. Go ahead, please. I'm thinking this resolved back to I think months back we had the same issue and it was a legal issue of spot zoning. Correct. Yes, sir. Okay. There was a similar case. Um it was for a landscaping business and it was um one they wanted to uh reszone one special lot um to accommodate one use in a um single family area and that could violate chapter 211.

That's right. Okay. Any other questions? All right. Is there anybody in the audience that would like to speak for or against this case? None is heard. So, we close the public hearing. We heard from the staff. The uh applicant is not present. Uh the staff has recommended denial and I would entertain a motion. Move for denial. Second. We have a motion to deny and a second. Any discussion? All in favor say I. I. Any in opposition? The eyes have it. Thank you, Damian. Go to PZ 2025167.

Yes, sir. Carlton Sharp is requesting a reszoning for approximately 112 acres more or less located north and east of 7720 Pelbick Road from residential single family and agricultural residential to a planned unit development to support a high quality development. The PUD district promotes coordinated design of mixes of mixeduse residential, commercial, office, retail and institutional uses under a comprehensive development plan. It offers greater design flexibility compared to traditional zoning districts, including options for cluster housing, appealing to residents seeking larger homes with smaller private yards, shared open spaces, and public amenities. Drainage district 6 has noted that there are several significant drainage features all traverse the site and serve as critical outfall route for the area. So, that's just something to be considered um when they're developing. Um, again, before any development of this site occurs, a specific use permit must be approved to establish the land use and density plan, much like the one that we just heard or the case before that we heard. Um, planning staff staff does recommend approval of this request. We sent 47 property owner notices and we received zero in favor and nine in opposition. Opposition expressing concerns of traffic and lack of turning lanes. Additionally, the land owners in opposition make up 70% of the surrounding land within the 200 foot property notice property owner notice area. And so what that means is that in order for this case to pass, it would need a supermajority vote from um council to uh to pass or to be approved for a reasonzoning request. Um the area outlined in red is the area they're requesting the reszone for. This is the aerial image. You can see it's uh undeveloped. This is the subject property. Again, the aerial image is probably the best one to

see surrounding uses given how large the lot is. And the next slide is a U map of the opposition that we did receive. Um so the area outlined in or the area shaded in orange is um making up 70% of that area. And I do believe we have the applicant present. Good. Any questions for Demi? Uh, no. Thank you. And the applicant. Good afternoon, sir.

Good afternoon, Carlson and Brian Sharp, 5150 Plant Road. Uh, we're here uh for this legacy uh crossing development. Uh to provide stable, attainable home ownership for those in the north end of Bowmont. Um we believe that this would um spur um home ownership uh in that area. Also we believe that also it will serve as attract new tenants in the area in this underutilized property. And this is basically a reszoning just like the other just like the other. Yes sir. Any development would require the specific use permit prior to breaking land.

Perfect. And uh Mr. Sharp, these are going to be all single family homes. It's got to be a mixture of of uh right now. Yes. Until we get it uh with our engineer. We're just here for the reasoning today. And and the mixture is just throw something at me. What is the mixture mean? You have single family dwellings, you have uh senior living, you have apartments, also commercial properties. Okay. Are they be subsidized? It's possible. Possible. All right. Any other questions? Have you had a chance to talk to any of the people that are in opposition of your development?

Uh, no. It's it's actually behind the property. Uh, so we haven't talked to them because we haven't talked to them now. Okay. All right. Thank you, sir. Thank you. Now, we're going to open the floor for uh audience participation. Is there anybody in the audience that would like to speak for or against this case? None is heard. So, we close the public hearing and uh we heard from the uh staff and also the uh the applicant and uh I would entertain a motion. Motion to approve. I make a motion. You go ahead. We have a motion to approve. Second.

You have a second. Any discussion? All in favor say I. I. Any in opposition? The eyes have it. Good luck, sir. Uh, now we're going to go to PZ 2025173. Concord Mini Storage received an approved reszoning and specific use permit in March of 2022 to allow a construction of 190 self-s served personal storage units at 6030 and 6040 Concord Road. The applicant is seeking an amendment to the existing specific use permit to reduce the perimeter landscaping requirements along the northern and eastern property lines as conditioned in the original approval. The ordinances require an 8-ft tall wood or masonry fence with a 10- foot wide buffer include including trees every 10 ft. The applicant wishes to eliminate the requirement of the 10- foot wide tree buffer along the northern and eastern property lines, but remains committed to installing and maintaining an 8-ft tall wood fence. Our landscaping ordinances allow for the property owner to request this reduction to the perimeter landscaping through the specific use permit process, which is why this case is before you. The planning staff has reviewed this proposal and recommends approval of the request with the following conditions. Number one being they shall submit a revised landscaping plan to the planning office. Number two shall install and maintain the required 8ft tall wood or ma wood or masonry fence and eliminate the requirement to install trees and shrubs along the northern and eastern property lines. Number three shall install landscaping along the front property line to screen the development from the rideway. Screen the parking from the rideway. Construction plans must meet all requirements by water utilities for water and sanitary sewer services, including any requirements of the city's

backflow, pre-treatment, and/or fog program. And number five, maintain or replace the sidewalk along Concord Road. Staff sent 11 property owner notices. We received zero in favor and zero in opposition of this request. The area outlined in red is the area under review. um to the north along that property line that abuts the yellow um color. That is where they're wanting to eliminate uh the tree or the 10 foot wide perimeter landscaping buffer and also to the east which is along the orange color on the map as well. Next, this is an aerial image subject property to the west, to the east.

Okay. To the south, and to the north, and I do believe we have the property owner present. I'm sorry, the applicant present. Uh, Debbie, was the landscaping as a part of the original documents? So, it's this is still in its construction phase. It's not uh coed out, but yes, landscaping was included on the original um it was included as a condition on the original SUP, which is why they need to get this amendment today and also on the approved building plans. Are you allowing them to uh not just have the trees or no landscaping?

They requested. So, they came to planning and they asked to eliminate the tree requirement. We can't make that at an administrative level. Um but we can bring it to a planning commission. It was um one of the the issues I could foresee is to the north that is residential. Um that's a residential uh zoning district off Garner Road, right?

Um now there's no um homes or anything. It's it's a backyard that's abuts that. Um one of the issues that I did bring up is that we need to um keep the 8 foot wood wood fence. So that there is a screening there. Um however we didn't receive any opposition to uh their amendment. So um the only thing that I no trees but is there other landscaping or not? No not not to the to the north or to the um east along the front that six foot wide landscaping buffer that's required. Thank you. And you are the applicant I assume sir. Yes sir.

Good afternoon. Good afternoon to you guys. I sound I feel insignificant after hearing some of these other name and address please for the record.

David Owens. Um my officer address 600 Marina which is fire training grounds on industrial rescue out there and uh and reason we're here. Yes, we had a uh contract initially uh because as stated earlier it started off in 2022 uh when we tried to get this thing going and it was just obstacle after obstacle. I grew up in the north ends. We want to build a uh mini storage. There's none out there. So, I said, "Man, I want to That's where we picked. We wanted to do it." We had a gentleman come in. We're on our third contractor. They keep going bankrupt and all the things going on in the world. But the first guy came in, met with the city and uh and and covered all these things. And only thing I'd asked one of the owners was that we have a security fencing because it's a hightraic area right there on Concord. uh you know, so we could put you know, whatever protection we can to keep uh folks out of it if need be. Um they had no idea and and he wound up uh spent all the money. He left the country. So he's gone. So we picked back up, got it going again. As you can see in the pictures, uh we've now completed the building. Um waiting to do electrical and all that. I've got everybody ready, but I'm waiting to get some type of security up before I put air conditioning units and all that. That's when I got into and found um the the the trees and shrubbery and all that. The privacy fence, I fully get it. Um and and it's an aesthetic as well. So, we want to do that. But the situation is we when I asked about why the recommendation for or the the um for the the trees and everything, they said, "Well, they want kind of a buffer for sound between commercial and and residential." And I understand that. But if you look at the pictures, even the one that's up right now, these buildings go full length. So, it's going to create several obstacles. One is how do we maintain uh the aesthetics and and bushes and and

trees and everything in an area that's going to be totally cut off from the front, back, sides, and it's got a building run all the way down also across the back that runs full length. So that was then I was told whe there could have been an amendment done but obviously I think one of the young ladies said I should have done it three years ago. Um we just we weren't aware of that at the time. So that's on me. Um but that's where we're at today. So it would uh it's not just a cost savings but it's more so of

we're out there going how are we going to maintain this? It's it's literally isolated between a metal building length of property and a privacy fence that's enclosed. So maintaining it and and trying to control the growth of the trees. Uh personally in Southeast, I've been here my whole life. I really don't want trees within 10 ft of especially a metal building like a storage unit. So that's the reason for we're here to ask. Uh we do want to do the privacy fence uh the side in the back and uh we got Monica brothers on the other side of us but but there five conditions you understand all the five conditions. Yes sir. And I I'd have to ask a review of them. Most of them have already been done.

Yeah. Mo those conditions follow through from the original specific use permit. Those are what were currently in place. We just removed the and constrict compliance with the landscaping. Perfect. Thank you. Thank you sir. Thank you for your time. Absolutely. Is there anybody in the audience that would like to speak for or against this case? None is heard. So, we close the public hearing. We heard from the applicant and also the city staff and the applicant does understand the conditions that are in the original uh guidelines. With that, I would entertain a motion. Motion to approve with five conditions. We have a motion to approve.

Second. We have a second. Any discussion? All in favor say I.

Any in opposition? The eyes have it. Thank you. Uh let's go to PZ 2025178. Ray Woodside requests approval of a reszoning from RH, which is residential multif family highest density to LI light industrial zoning district for the property located at 5775 Erie Street. The purpose of the reszoning is to establish a truck parking and storage facility for a motor carrier company currently operating six semi-truckss and trailers. The property was originally zoned as light industrial when Cardinal Drive was constructed. However, in 1999, in an attempt to sell the property, the owner initiated a reszoning to multif family to allow residential development. That development never took place and the industrial uses within this area have continued to expand by right. According to our comprehensive plan, the property is located within a light industrial area and the reszoning appears to align with said plan. As such, planning staff recommends approval of the request. We did send eight property owners and we received zero in favor and zero in opposition. The area outlined in red is the area they wish to reszone back to light industrial. Aerial image subject property the north properties to the south and to the west and I do believe we have the applicant present.

Mr. Woodside good afternoon sir. How are you today?

If you please state your name and address for the record, please. Ray Woodside, 5480, Washington. Thank you. Do you have any additional information you'd like to give us, sir? No, sir. No more no more information. Fantastic. Any questions for the gentlemen? As easy as it could be, right? Love it. Thank you.

Is there anybody in the audience that would like to speak for or against this case? All right, folks in the back, one at a time. Unless you're two together, you decided you are together. Well, we're we're neighbors, so uh my name is Robert Cells. The address is 5755 Eerie Street. So, we're right to the left of that that property. Our home wasn't shown, but that that's our house, right? Property, right? Yeah. So, the house right there, that that's our property, right?

So, uh I'm speaking on behalf of my dad. Um you know, he's he's an 80-year-old resident, you know, and we have, you know, he has grandkids and we're we're concerned about a couple of things. Um, you know, first the safety, you know, what's it going to do to to to his property taxes, just the quality of life, the overall, you know, right now it's quiet, it's peaceful. There are a couple of um industrial businesses that are there, but this is going to be within right next door and his home is right there in the front. So, we're we're concerned about that. The traffic, the road safety, you know, we have kids, he has grandkids. um you know, is it going to be a 24-hour business? H how are they operating? How's it going to affect the taxes? What about the environmental issues, the buy right there? You know, so we just we just want to make sure we we're really opposed to this. We we don't want any more industrial properties. I know it was reszoned. Unfortunately, it didn't take off the way they they thought with residential, but um you know, this is going to put us in a really, you know, precarious situation with with the noise. It's just going to be continuously noisy and and we would really like, you know, to keep it as as as residential as possible.

All right, sir. Thank you. All right. Thank you. And you, sir, good afternoon. If you want to state your name and address. Willie Kleman, 5765 Street. And that's my house right next door. Yes, sir.

And I have the same concerns. It'll be what? 24-hour noise. You have truck storage. Are they going to be broke, leaking oil, gas, and two houses down, I have a neighbor with a special needs kid. I didn't put my private sense back up together in the back because she's always coming over. And I caught her one day trying to jump the fence. So my wife had me take the back down so she got easy access, you know, so she doesn't get hurt cuz she go jump on the boat, the four-wheel or whatever. And if something like that was to come, is she going to be trying to get over there being curious? You know, being artistic, you know, you know that she's curious. She wants to know. And uh we like to keep it residential. We We don't want no industrial business there.

All right, sir. Thank you. All right. Anybody else that would like to speak for or against this case? All right. We close the public hearing. Mr. Woodside, uh, you have some negative comments. I'd like for you to respond to those. You got to go all the way around. You just don't like to pass by the mayor. So, um, currently, so, let's let's do this organizing. What about traffic?

All right. So, we own six trucks. Uh, and it's just a small trucking business. Don't plan on growing anymore. Uh, the problem that I'm having now is I have nowhere to parks. And, uh, my trucks are parked at Metro right now and they're getting towed every other day at Let Let me Let me ask you some question. So, is a truck parking you're going to bring them in at night, take them out in the morning, or you going to have continuous traffic? It's my trucks. 6 I'll be bringing them out first thing in the morning, 6:00 in the morning. They be in approximately 7 o'clock in the evening. All right. It's not 24. Let's talk about uh the hours that you just said. How about safety?

Is there something that that's going to pose uh harm to the neighbors here? Well, um do plan on putting a privacy fence up all the way around the property. Okay. Um security security fence. Yes. All right. But 8 foot fence. So I told the fence you plan to put up. Um well no he he has he doesn't have a say. What what what is he required to do? So along the northern property line that Yeah. There you go. Um right there he would have to put in 8 foot. Um everywhere else he could put in uh whatever he would like but because it the other sides abut industrial zoning districts.

All right. Does he have to have landscaping? He would for a parking lot. Yes. But that would be towards um Eerie Street. All right. Do you understand that, sir? Yes, sir. Okay. So, we're going to add the condition on on the fence and the landscaping. Well, that would already that's already required by ordinance, so we don't need to condition that. Fantastic. Okay. Is already in it, too? It would be. Okay. All right. Um Well, that's great. Thank you. You're going to be a good neighbor. Outstanding. Thank you.

Demi might want to clarify for the commission that the the fencing requirement for each side based on the difference in the zoning. So if they wanted to make it continuous all the way around, they could make it that a condition of their motion.

Sure. So to the north along Yep. along that property line, that's where it's required by ordinance to install an 8ft wood or masonry fence with a 10-ft landscaping buffer right there. Um to the east. Wait, other way. Yep. To the east. Um that one that area they don't have to technically um because it's a budding and industrial zoning district. Um same to the south and also to um the west. However, along that western line, they will have to install a uh six foot wide landscaping buffer to screen the parking.

Perfect. Okay. Thank you. Is there anybody else that would like to speak for or against this case? We're going to close the public hearing. And uh we heard from the applicant. We also heard from the neighbors and the applicant does understand the fencing requirements. He did tell us his hours. And uh with that, I would entertain a motion. Motion to approve. Sir, we have a motion and a second. Any discussion? All in favor say I. Hi.

I was making sure that the commission was aware of the fencing because she said that'd be included by ordinance, but Commissioner Linton had asked about the fence on the other side, property side. So, I did want to make sure that the the motion was for the staff report, not anything additional because that was not a part of the motion. The fencing is everywhere that they bought the resident. I think she clarified that point. So it it didn't have to be a condition cuz I think she So it it it only has to be a condition if you wanted it in places that wasn't required by ordinance which is why she we went around. So I didn't know if that clarified it because I didn't hear that in your motion but if you're fine with it. All right. Thank you. With that said you we have the motion. We have the second. Did we vote? We did vote.

All right. Well good luck sir. Let's go to PZ2025182. Tonight's going to be a Ford drinks night. Go ahead.

Dustin Berley is requesting a specific use permit to allow a truck in parking and storage facility at 410 Finet Road. A storage you use requires a specific use permit within the GCMD zoning district, which is why it's before y'all today. This property was recently subdivided and previously operated as a vehicle storage facility for towed cars. The development of the site as a truck parking and storage site would be consistent with existing development. Uh staff recommends approval of the request with the following conditions. Number one, any construction plans must meet all requirements by water utilities for water and sanitary sewer services, including any requirements of the city's backflow and pre-treatment and/or fog program. Number two, any construction plans shall comply with all applicable fire and building codes. Number three, any installed lighting shall be diverted from residential uses to the north and the east. And number four, the development shall be in con shall be in strict compliance with the city of Bulmont's landscaping and screening requirements. Staff sent 12 property owner notices and we received zero in favor and zero in opposition. The area outlined in red is the area where they wish to have the facility. This is an aerial image. This is the subject property to the west, east, and south. And I do believe we have the applicant present.

I'm sorry. I don't think that Oh, here he is. Uh, Mr. Shirley, good afternoon, sir. How are you? How are you doing? Would you uh state your name and address for the record and give us any additional information you might have? Uh Dustin Barley, 4 road. I'm actually just trying to put water on the property right now and I got y'all I'm sorry. You're trying I'm actually just trying to put water on the property at the moment. I'm not actually ready to do any type of structure to the property at the moment. I just needed water and electricity at the moment. All right. But if you do, do you understand the condition?

Yes, sir. Yes, sir. Okay. All right. Great. Any questions for the gentlemen? Good luck. Thank you, sir. Appreciate you. Thank you. Is there anybody in the audience? I have one question. I'm sorry. Uh Mr. Bley, um what kind of uh trucks are you going to be storing on there? Is it going to be like more than two axles, please? Yes, ma'am. Okay. Would that make a difference? How many trucks? I don't know. I would I wouldn't know right now currently. Um I'm just trying to grow, but I don't have a current answer for you.

Okay. Well, and the reason I'm asking if you go back to the aerial. The reason I'm asking is that it looks like this is undeveloped. Can I'm going to lay down rocks. Rocks? Yes, ma'am. Rocks. Um limestone base rocks. Okay. Okay. There's no existing drive, is it? Uh yes. I got one right there with that right there. It's like a 30 feet wide. Um, and I got, you can see right in the back, I already started putting rocks right there. All right.

Okay. Um, we'll just need to make sure that we have uh permits on file for um, grading and and whatnot. Um, we'll give you a call for that. Um, one of the reasons I was asking, if you go back to the aerial image, it looked undeveloped um, in our ordinances to I think the cap is um, I don't want to lie to you, but I think it's it's 10 uh, vehicles that are over um, two axles require a specific use permit. So, I wanted to make sure that there's not and that's on undeveloped property. I wanted to make sure that that uh, wasn't a factor here because if it were, then I would suggest that we table it. Um, however, it looks like he's improving it or you have intentions to improve it. We just need to get those permits.

Yes. I was kind of scared to keep developing the property knowing that y'all might say no. Yeah, we defin Well, and we'll get those. We'll work with you to get those permits. How many trucks did you say? 10. I think it's 10. Do you recall? Do you intend to have more than 10 right now? God bless. Yes. If it happens. Yes. But I only have four right now. But you're going to have to come back for a specific. So, if it were if it were more than 10 vehicles on undeveloped property in GCMD, which that's this zoning district, it would require a specific use permit. So, I wanted to make sure that we're not having to bring him back and pay two separate fees and whatnot. Um, it's all covered in one. However, he should be okay. Uh, we just got to get these permits on file. Perfect. Thank you.

Thank you very much. Is there anybody in the audience that would like to speak for or against this? Fantastic. We close the public hearing. We heard from the staff and also the applicant. He does understand the conditions when he gets to that point. With that, I will entertain a motion. Move for approval with four conditions. We have a move motion to approve. Is there a second? Second. Motion and a second. Any discussion? All in favor say I. I. Any in opposition? The eyes have it. Thank you. Let's go to uh PZ2025185.

ARRA buyers is requesting an approval of a specific use permit to allow a duplex at 3890 Harding Drive. The purpose of the request is to bring the existing duplex into compliance with our adopted ordinances. When the when purchasing the property, it was noticed that the use of the duplex is non-compliant with existing zoning codes um as it does not have an approved specific use permit. So to become compliant um they are retroactively seeking a specific use permit for the existing duplex. Uh staff recommends approval of the request with the following condition. Uh construction plans must meet all requirements by water utilities for water and sanitary sewer services including any requirements of the city's backflow pre-treatment and or fog program. Staff did send 25 property owner notices. We received zero in favor and zero in opposition. Um the area outlined in red is the area under review. This is the aerial image subject property northwest property southeast to the south. And I believe that we have um his partner uh Ron McCroy um here to speak on on behalf of the case.

Great. Uh, hello. Would you state your name and address for the record, please? Uh, Ron McCory, 3890 Harding. All right, sir. Tell me what happened here.

So, uh, me and two of my friends purchased our first uh, investment property right here. Um, bought it, just kind of fixed it up, painted the outside. We now have two tenants in there. um bought it on a hard money loan, tried to refinance, find out that we couldn't refinance it because it's classified as a single family home. Um bought it as a duplex and uh so we're just trying to change it to a duplex so we can get out of this hard money loan. And when you bought it, it was a duplex, huh? Correct. Yeah. Okay. Well, okay. You do understand the uh the condition that the city is asking uh to make sure things are updated. I believe you were saying.

Uh, yeah. And then for for you to get your permit and all that to have the water utility and all that good stuff complied with. Yeah, that's fine. All right. I I I may need a little bit of uh direction on how to do that, but that's fine. When when you get with with De, she'll help you. Okay. Uh, any questions for the gentlemen?

Great. Thank you very much, sir. Good luck to you. Uh, is there anybody in the audience that would like to speak for or against this case? None. All right. Perfect. We're going to close the public hearing. We heard from the applicant and also the the staff. He bought the property. It it was turned into a duplex before. So, uh, he does understand the condition that the city is asking. With that, I would entertain a motion. Motion to approve with one condition. Second. We have a motion and a second. Any discussion? All in favor say I.

Any in opposition? Let's get to the fun part. We have PZ2025185.

Shana and Jeremy Howa are seeking approval for a specific use permit to allow a drinking place to be located at 304 Orleans. The proposed speak easy is a concept designed to deliver an intimate and immersive nightlife experience inspired by elegance of the 1920s. The establishment will feature high-end craft cocktails and live jazz performances in a hidden setting. Planning staff recommends approval of the request with the following conditions. Number one, construction plans must meet all requirements by water utilities for the water and sanitary sewer services, including any requirements of the city's backflow, pre-treatment, and/or fog program. Number two, shall install a security camera system or employ security patrols during peak operational hours. And number three, the establishment and property premises shall remain in compliance with the building code, fire code, zoning code, offenses and nuisance code, health and sanitation code, and any other applicable codes of the city. Staff sent 14 property owner notices. We received one in favor and one in opposition. Opposition expressed concerns of a bar and crime uh surrounding uh what comes with a bar. Um on the area out or I'm sorry, on the screen, the area outlined in red is the area under review. This is in downtown. Next, this is the aerial image. This is the subject property to the west, properties to the east, and to the north. And I believe we have the property owner um present.

Good afternoon. Good afternoon. My name is Tyler Wharton at 2467 Calder. All right. Tell me about this property and what they're going to do. Well, tenant couldn't make it. Um, but they've got a great idea. Um, light music, snacks, wine, cocktail Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, Saturday. Kind of light. Uh, nothing crazy. They're looking for a place to kind of have an intimate setting. Um, something we seem like we're lacking a little in this area. Mhm.

But they've got a great idea. Uh they're they're I've known them for a while and and uh as far as crime and things like that, I wouldn't allow something like that in my property. And I specifically put things like that in the lease to prevent problems due to the liability. Uh this Shana and Jeremy, how have they had a place like this? Are they experiencing running a bar? No, they don't have any experience running a bar at a bar. So, but that's about it. But they are very professional. He's a professor at Lamar and uh they have a film production company locally. Um very very stand up legitimate people.

Yeah. But on Navar is different, isn't it? With it. Yeah. I had quite a few people interested. Um after interviewing all three that were interested, we had nightclubs, we had other things. I went with what I thought was in my opinion the best people for something like this. It is a liability I take on. We've had instances in town and I don't want to I want to avoid that. Um so I've checked them out pretty well. We've had really good conversations about this sort of thing. This is a place I hope to have a drink at as well.

Well, I'm glad you're conscientious about that. Thank you. Any questions for the gentlemen? Thank you, sir. Thanks. Is there anybody in the audience that would like to speak for or against this case? We're going to close the public hearing. Uh we heard from the property owner and also the staff and um there are three conditions that they have to abide by. With that, I would entertain a motion. I make a motion to approve with the conditions. Second. We have a motion to approve with three conditions and a second. Any discussion? All in favor say I. I. I.

Any in opposition? The eyes have it. Guys, just stay with me. We're getting there. Uh PZ2025190.

Matthew and Kimberly Moy are seeking approval of a specific use permit to allow an eating place to be located at 2090 Broadway. The proposed Moy Manor is a concept designed around traditional southern afternoon tea. The proposed tea room will boast traditional southern hospitality with baked goods, tea sandwiches, and carefully selected teas. In addition, the Moyals will maintain their residency on the upper floor of the historically preserved res and restored home. Parking is provided directly across the street in an existing parking lot. This is a great example of adapted reuse to a historic structure. Planning staff recommends approval of the request with the following conditions. Number one, construction plants must meet all requirements by water utilities for water and sanitary sewer services, including any requirements of the city's backflow pre-treatment and/or fog program. And number two, the establishment and property premises shall be in compliance with the building code, fire code, zoning code, offenses and nuisance code, health and sanitation code, and all other applicable codes of the city. Uh notices were mailed to 17 property owner notices or I'm sorry 17 property owners. Uh we received zero in favor and zero in opposition. The area outlined in red is under review. This is an aerial image. This is the subject property. And this is the parking lot that was discussed and also south to the north to the east and further south. I'm sorry. And also West. And I believe we have the applicants present.

Great. All right. Good afternoon, folks. Would you state your name and address for the record, please? Yes. Matthew and Kimberly Moy, 2090 Broadway Street. So, tell me, why in the world you want bunch of strangers in your house? Um we've been in hospitality for well combined almost 60 years together. Um so we've been involved in uh the hospitality side of it. The she's a 30 year well 40 year old chef or 40 year chef. Let's say 15.

Okay. 15. And I've been drunker banquet. So we've done this uh the majority of our adult lives. Um, as far as the residence, it's uh nice for us to be able to live there and operate there. Uh, as well as she's trying to slow down. Well, sounds like a great idea. Go ahead, please. I was trying to retire, but this is what my retirement project is. I'm not slowing down much, but it's fun. You are the boss, though, right? Correct. Okay. All right. You do understand the two conditions. Yes, we do. All right. Any questions for the folks? It's a great concept. Thank you. Good luck to you. We're excited.

Fantastic. Is there anybody in the audience that would like to speak for or against this case? If you do, they won't serve you tea. All right, we're going to close the public hearing and uh we heard from the staff and also the applicant and they do understand the conditions. With that, I would ask for a motion. Move we approved second conditions. Who second it? Second. All right, we have a motion and a second. Uh, any discussion? All in favor say I. I. Any in opposition? The eyes have it.

And we are going to get to the last piece. Thank you for your patience. Uh before we get started, I need to disclose to you that I do own Sigma Engineers, which is the almost next door neighbor to this property. I would manage the ongoing discussion here, but I would refrain from voting on the matter. With that, we're going to get started. PZ2025217.

Uh real quick before we start, it looks like Mr. Batty might have stepped out. So, Mr. if you could um step in for quorum for planning commission. Okay. In April of 2007, the city council approved a specific use permit allowing a charter school to operate at 4055 Calder. In June 2009, the SUP was amended and improved and approved to expand the school to occupy the building to the west within the parking lot. In that 2009 proposal, a total population on campus would be 350 students with 35 teachers on site. Over time, the school's enrollment significantly increased without the benefit of an approved amendment to their specific use permit. According to the National Center for Education Statistics, it was reported that a total of 657 students attended Harmony Science Academy at 4055 Calder location for the 2023 through 2024 school year. At present, the campus no longer complies with the key conditions of the specific use permit. The increase in student enrollment has resulted in the site's inability to adequately manage vehicular traffic without adversely affecting public safety, pedestrian access, and neighboring properties. During school hours, traffic congestion at peak times significantly impedes access to adjacent businesses, residential streets, and hinders the movement of emergency response vehicles in the area. Section 28.04.001, 001 part H of the city's of the city's code of ordinances state a specific use permit may be revoked or modified after notice and hearing for either of the following reasons. One, it was obtained or extended by fraud or deception. Or number two, one or more of conditions of the permit have not been met or have been violated. Last Thursday on the 17th, staff received a traffic mitigation and public safety response plan from the administration of the Harmony school system. It is labeled

exhibit A and you should have have had it at your seat when you arrived. Represent representation for Harmony is here to explain the plan in full as well. Um we sent 37 property owner notices and we received one in favor and one in opposition, neither stating anything. Um the area outlined in red is the area under review again for revocation or modification of the existing. Excuse

this is the aerial image. This is the subject property. Properties to the west, properties to the east, the north, and to the south. And again, Harmony's administration is here. All right. Who is from the owner side?

Good afternoon, folks. Would you please state your name and address and tell me what you do? Yes, my name is Michael Bender. My address is 600 Travis Street, Sweet 4200, Houston, Texas 770002. I'm an attorney uh and I work for Harmony Public Schools and all aspects their operations from development, financing, and real estate purchases and sales. Right. Hi, my name is Niat Bhan. I am the deputy superintendent of Harmony Public Schools. My address is 9321 West Sam Houston, Houston, Texas. And I'm sorry, what is your position? Deputy superintendent of Harmony Public Schools. Okay. So, are you local here?

No. Okay. Anybody with your local school is here? Yes, we have the principal. Okay. All right. Good. Good. Okay. Please go ahead. Guess.

Yeah. I mean, nothing more to really add. Um, I can go through the traffic mitigation plan um, at length if you'd like me to answer any questions y'all have on any of the options that we provided in there. Um, but also just want to highlight the fact that that we are here to work with the city to work with the neighboring land owners and business owners to try and find a solution to these traffic issues that have um, kind of ramped up here in the last uh, last few years. And so, um, we spent the majority of the last week and a half, um, two weeks kind of going through options, feasibility, um, feasibility studies, and brainstorming ideas. Have worked with with city staff, um, over the course of that week and a half, two weeks. I think we have some really good and and valuable and and viable solutions um, to the traffic issues. some that can be implemented immediately as of the first day of school August 12th uh next month and some that may take a little bit longer but um ultimately will be more permanent and and I think more useful for the community um and the neighboring land owners and business owners as well. But happy to go through any of the options if you'd like. Um but I know we are the last item on the on a long agenda for you guys. So here to answer any questions y'all have.

Uh how's your parking? Do you have enough parking? We have enough parking. Uh oh. I believe we have enough parking for our staff. Yes. Um this is an elementary school, so none of the students drive. Um so that's not really an issue uh for for those students. I think if you could go through the response plan that you gave staff, I think that would that good.

Okay. Um, so I I'll start with an option that we've already implemented that we hoped would be a stronger result but didn't end up turning out to be as good as we hoped, which was shuttling siblings from the elementary campus to the new high school campus um to kind of alleviate some of that congestion. We started that in April of 2025. Didn't see the best results um and and now we are here with with some new additional solutions that we've kind of put in place. The first most immediate one is uh direct busing. Um we've secured a contract with a busing company here in we work with them across the state but in for this Bowmont campus and we expect to have between 250 and 300 students um bus directly to their home to the campus and and vice versa. Um that will significantly reduce the amount of students coming to campus um via car over their parents. And so what we hope that does is drop the number from uh 650 students getting dropped off to 350 students getting dropped off just with that one solution um that that is in process and finalized right now. Um we're working on bus routes with the company and kind of going through next steps with them in terms of uh capacity. Um in addition to in addition to the direct to school busing um we've entered into a contract with uh a company called first responder protective services. Uh they are basically a staffing um agency or coordination company for offduty offduty active duty police officers. So, um, police officers from, you know, local jurisdictions, surrounding jurisdictions who are working offduty, uh, jobs to help with traffic coordination. And that can come in the form of helping parents move through the parking lot more smoothly or, um, reminding some of the parents that they cannot park on Calder, Felen, I think

it's West 23rd on on the uh, other border um, where there is some backup. And so we're hoping that having some uniformed, although offduty, uniformed, police officers in place um will definitely help with the enforcement of of kind of keeping those cars from queuing on on public roads. Uh as part of our meetings with city staff uh last week, we um we also the assistant police chief uh was included in those meetings and we kind of worked with him on on kind of an action plan. you know, maybe the first couple days of school, um, having some active duty officers out there writing tickets for people parking on a public road. Um, and again, we we want to be clear, we are going to make that message clear to our parents that that is not something that that we can do. We're going to, you know, take every effort we can to put that in policy, put that in procedure, and notify these parents that they cannot do that. Um and if they do, they're subject to uh tickets violations with the school and and with the city of Bowmont. Um in addition to kind of those options, some other immediate options we have in place are uh extended I'm going to call them extended study hall hours. Um, making those options available to more than 100 students between study hall, between after uh school activities, between clubs on certain days of the week will also significantly reduce um the amount of kids that are being let out and dismissed at 3:00 on a on a Tuesday or 3:00 on a Thursday. Um and and we're hoping that combining those kind of club um involvement, afterchool activities and and study hall uh will be somewhat of a quote unquote staggered dismissal, although not, you know, as official as having different times being dismissed along the way. Um it will give students the opportunity to kind of stay a little

bit later, do their homework on campus, and then get picked up at 3:30 or 4. Um, and so adding those students into the pool of students being bust will also reduce the number of kids that are being picked up by their parents at 3:00. Um, and and avoiding staging issues. Um, we've also looked into a couple different uh kind of pilot programs to be put in place this year. We're hoping to get them in place by August 12th, but um, that's the goal at least. One of them is a carpool program um which is sent to all families and parents of students in the school and it basically is a way to connect parents to other parents that have kids in at Harmony um so they can reduce their traffic. Uh Dr. Bay was just telling me today he uh he he uses the carpool program uh with a neighbor and you know the neighbor picks up in the morning and Dr. Bay picks up in the afternoon or vice versa. So right there you have two cars drop down to one car for two kids and you know multiply that over over 10, 15, 20, hopefully 50 parents um and you start to see a significant reduction in in car volume and uh and pick up and drop off times um around the area. Another kind of interesting one that we've looked at is a is a GPS triggered kind of geoence is the best way to put it um where Harmony staff uh can set a border around the campus and um and basically get notifications when a parent arrives in into that geoence and so they can more quickly have that student ready for dismissal to load into the car. that is early early stages. So, I'm making no promises on that one, but um it is a definitely a unique and and very interesting option that I didn't know existed. Um and so, we're kind of working through kind of some other uh unique solutions here just to work with the city and the neighboring land owners. Uh lastly is is one that may be a more permanent solution, but would also take a little bit more lead time,

and that is property purchases in the area. Um we've already identified a few different sites uh in the surrounding area near the school. Um these can operate either as staging areas for parents. So instead of having, you know, 100 cars show up at dismissal time, they can show up to a designated parking lot with a controlled exit from that parking lot. And all of those options would be, you know, worked on with the city with city staff um and and approved by them before kind of putting anything into place. And um you know that's a more permanent solution but also requires a little bit of work uh in terms of negotiating a purchase and sale agreement or a short-term lease or a long-term lease um kind of working through the financing of those options. Um and and we are kind of all all eyes and all ears on this on this issue and uh you know as I stated at the start of this um at the start of this discussion, we want to work with the city. We love being in Bumont. Um, we love the families that that attend our school and we want to continue to do that uh for for years to come. And so, um, we've kind of put put it out there and and I don't know how how much city staff wants to see us, but weekly, bi-weekly, monthly meetings, whatever it is that they want to to make this problem go away to to find a solution that is, you know, workable for everybody. That's what we want to do. and and that's what we're committed to doing um here today and for the next, you know, 12 months, 10 years, for the for however long we're going to be in this community.

All right. So, let's uh you you had three items that you you said. So, for the uh sake of keeping up with the record, you asked for you're going to have busing. How many buses you going to provide? So, the staff would know how to make a note. Yeah. Six bus. Six buses. It maybe f five or six. We're going to see kind of the the feedback we get from families. Let's say five or six. And how many uniform officers you're going to hire? I think the plan is to hire two uniformed officers. Um it they may be split between the high school and the and the elementary school. But depending on need, we could

That's not a good answer. I mean, one or which one? How many you going to have for this campus? At least one. And then we're going to see where where that goes. Um, you know, if if we need to expand that to two, three, four. Um, we we are we want to be flexible with the city. Um, and and kind of provide what y'all need and what we need on campus, but I think we're going to start with one, maybe two at this campus. Have you visited with the police department? Yes. Okay. All right. Good. You have these notes, ma'am? All right. Now, uh, any questions? Yes. Um, how many students are are you expecting this year? This school year? 675.

And I'm assuming the we have a a flux from original permit is what we have. What what our original permit?

The original uh permit was 350 students with 35 uh teachers. Um, correct me if I'm wrong, but what I believe happened was over time, um, they increased enrollment obviously, um, and then I believe it was 2023 or 24 when they built their, uh, Harmony High School. So that split the student population. However, at the elementary school, instead of effectively splitting that population, they backfilled um, that population. and then that has uh further exacerbated the issues of traffic uh traffic congestion in that area. Again, one of the the main issues is the the ability for emergency vehicles to flow through uh through the uh streets and whatnot. And right now, some of those um to the north, some of those uh streets are being blocked or there's businesses that are being blocked. So if anyone had an emergency back there, there's a serious there's significant issues. So we just we need to um come to a resolution where that um that is mitigated um because that that's a that's a serious public safety concern.

Okay. Uh and back to the his question was what is going to be implemented? You said some will be there next month and then some was to come later. So so the immediate ones to start on the first day will be the busing. um we've already contracted with the company for that. The traffic coordinators, the offduty police officers, we've already contracted with the company um to provide that. And the third is the after school after school activities that includes clubs um club participation that includes an extended study hall and that includes a um after school tutoring uh service. Yeah. For those three will be on August 12th, 2025. Yeah. Okay. and the rest you work on depending on.

Yeah. Yeah, we're we're working on the other ones as quickly as possible. Um I mean the goal would be to have uh some sort of significant movement yesterday. Um right, but sometimes land owners and sellers they want to um you know talk through it, talk negotiate and and you know see if there's a common ground they can find. Yeah. And I only thing I would and I'm not suggest recommendation is that I know that one police because that's a highly uh traffic area. I think um uh if you've gotten with the rest of uh one I don't think we'll never do for that area. Actually I am here to give you an assurance about addressing the traffic. So if we need five policemen over there we will have five policemen for sure.

Okay. I have a question. Yes.

Go ahead. Why didn't this be addressed see a year and a half ago, two years ago when this problem has been going on a lot longer than the last six months. Actually, I really want to say sorry for that. Uh but it came to my attention on February this month this year and we thought that busing from both campuses will address the issue. So I think uh I mean last year when we moved to our middle and high school students to the other location I mean it becomes much clear. So sorry for that but uh when it came to my attention we jump into the conversation and we offer busing by assuming it will ease the traffic but we notice that it is not. So we can clear the message. I mean we can hear the message clearly and we will fix it as soon as possible.

Okay. So basically but you're in Houston. Yes. The problems existed and but you haven't heard anything about it until February of this year. Correct. Okay.

Let me just give you brief information about Harmony. As Harmony we have 45,000 students all around Texas. We are we are one of the largest uh charter operators and because of the high demand uh I mean in just in just one day we got 12,000 applications. So we open our uh new campus last year because of the high demand. So but uh I mean it's not an excuse. We definitely need to address the traffic issue uh and we are all eyes and ears. So we want to make sure that we'll address it I mean right away. Okay. And if I could add Oh, sorry. Go ahead.

Yes, Demi. I think brief me or bring me up to date. Wasn't there a uh some issue that came up previously that y'all reached out to Harmony and did not get a response from?

Yes, sir. We originally reached out in as early as I can find record September of 2024. um could be far earlier than with other staff, but one that I'm aware of is September of 2024 and then we didn't um have any response. Um so we had to send uh the letters of um basically basically stating um you know if you guys don't come u we may have to revoke or modify um the SUP. And so from there we were able to get down uh get to a conversation um with these two gentlemen and hopefully we can come up with a plan.

So there was very little response until it got a little okay. I wonder if there's room here and I'm just going to throw out an idea that we're going along with these ideas but have some kind of comeback fairly soon. How is it working? If it's not working, then what do we do? Because quite frankly, historically, it doesn't sound real good about y'all staying on top of this traffic issue and then taking care of it at the time.

100%. And we've committed to work with Demi and her team on on weekly meetings, have them out at pick and drop off to kind of see how some of these things are being implemented. And and if they work, great. We'll keep doing them. And if they don't work, we'll hit the ground running with another solution, you know, as soon as we can, um, as soon as possible, the next day. So, um, 100% agree with that and and I think that is a a a prudent solution here on top of all of the, um, kind of things that we're trying to implement on day one. Okay. Y'all are in Houston, though. Who do they work with here locally? Our principal and region superintendent. I'm sorry, who?

Our principal and regional superintendent. But we will be at the top of this issue and uh and definitely we will have a meeting with the city team in a regular base until we resolve the issue. So we will not give up for the information your information on the commission. You can put any kind of commission or any condition or timeline to check on the progress.

What would you suggest Demi? Would you have an idea on this? I think we should definitely have monthly meetings. Um but also um I would think to curb any issues. It it obviously needs to happen over um for the kids it needs to happen um over periods where they're out of school and you guys can figure out certain accommodations. Um so I would suggest in my opinion um and of course it's just my opinion. It's up to the commission on whether they want that in the council. Um but if necessary, the administration um should return to planning commission for a review of the um SUP um in February of 2026 at the latest at the latest. Um and then you should put in some steps on so they submitted a response plan. And I would love to, you know, if if you guys would like, we can have staff come up and comment on um what they think of the response plan. Um you know, such as uh Bowmont Police Department and also uh public works.

But um you should we should implement this in whole as a condition that this is implemented by X date. Um that's what I would suggest and I did prepare some conditions in the event you guys are okay with this response plan. You mentioned the date of February 26th at the latest. What would you think be optimum?

I would think uh end of December um at least uh December or January because you got to start preparing whether it means uh you have to find a new location um to perhaps build a school or retrofit a existing building for a school. Um that takes time and you definitely want to have it done um before the beginning of the next school year. um any kind of construction that may need to happen such as like crosswalks across the street or sidewalks to connect for um safe passage of the children. You just want to give yourself time. Um that was one of the reasons we reached out last uh September was to um try to get this hammered out before uh the new school year. Excuse me. Go ahead.

Mr. J has another question. I don't have a question. Why we can't put more kids on the buses because of the age or the parents don't want to participate in the buses? What is seems to be a problem?

Actually, it's our game plan. Uh normally our game plan 300 students busing 300 students will address the issue. So if it does not we will put more students. If it does not we will add more policemen. So if it does not we will purchase the I mean land. So we have multi-layer solutions. So I really want to give you an assurance one way or other way we will solve it and yes we I mean uh we didn't do it on time. So that's why I want to really say sorry one more time but we will fix it as soon as possible. I do want to say one I'm sorry.

Are you done? No, no. I just want to make a comment though and I have a lot of my family members and their kids go to Harmony and sometimes you know they call me and say that can can you get more kids into those schools? But you guys have a system and kids that come in, they're very happy. But the parents, if you have a policies, put your policies in place that going forward like next year that make make sure you let them know that that's the only option that you left with. If they they wanted to have this school in this place, put them on the buses and they will be gladly happy to do that and work with you guys.

Absolutely. One of the policy will be if you block the road we will withdraw your child. So we will assure you that I mean safety is first. I mean there's no negotiation over there but we will make sure that everybody is safe and we will provide the best education but uh I mean I mean in the past we couldn't do it. So sorry for the day. Thank you. Your turn

the I want to go back to this timing as far as looking at this end of December. You've got Christmas, New Year's holidays in there and obviously Thanksgiving just before that. I'm trying to look at ask about mechanics of getting it done or how what would be what your thoughts on this? I think I'm asking you because I think you're working pretty close with this. So, if if everyone is amanable to the traffic plan that they just presented, um, and I think we should definitely hear from PD and also public works on their opinion of it as well. But if we're amunable to it, I've drafted potential conditions for it. Um and that would be number one um shall implement steps one through three of the traffic mitigation and public safety response plan which is attached as exhibit A by August 12th 2025 which is what they communicated that they would do. Um and number two, by September 30th, 2025, shall implement the measures outlined in step three, part four and um step four of the mitigation and public safety response plan. Again, as attached as exhibit A um subject to review and approval of the city's traffic engineer. That way, it gives some room if they need to scale up, they can. if they need to, if they there's room to scale back, they can, but it needs to be approved by the city. Um, and number three, if necessary, the administration of Harmony Science Academy shall return to the planning commission for review of the amended specific use permit to ensure all conditions have been met and that safety issues have been resolved by no later than February of 2026. Um and number four, because this is relevant to the amend the request to amend, um total enrollment shall not exceed 675 students and 65 teachers. But again, I definitely recommend that we hear from the guys

that have boots on the ground um and are out there um trying to mitigate these issues. Are you okay with the date or you What's your hours there? The the time being the in school. What time does school start and what time does it dismiss? 3 p.m. 3. We take in at 7:40 for the students. The students time is 7:48. If you would please come up here and and state your name and address for the record so we can recognize you.

My name is Melissa Vines. I live at 270 Tal Trail in Lumberton. Our school hours currently and how it's scheduled now, provided all this works through is from 7:40 in the morning to 3:18. I'm currently opening the campus at 6:45 in the morning for the students to come in and the families could drop them off, which is why we haven't been experiencing a large problem with the traffic in the morning and in the afternoon. Our regular dismissal is 3:18, but then our clubs dismiss at 4:30 and our tutorials dismiss at 4:00. So that's our operating hours. So how about dismissing so many grades at a time? Um

do I like first and second grade goes out at one time, third, you know. So we have you ever come up with a plan on that?

Yes sir, we have and we haven't pushed that completely to the side. The problem with that is we're also trying first of all we have siblings. So when we dismount one child, we have to dismiss the other, you know, if they're family to keep the parents from coming more than once. And also that would push our time further out throughout the day. And then where are all of our parents going to go? But that has not that is something that we did talk about, but currently right now I think that's just on the back burner because it's not going to make as big as difference as the buses system is right now. Can

add one more thing. um some of those afterchool activities I is the mechanism that we are kind of looking at as a quote unquote staggered dismissal. And so instead of you know splitting up a a first grade brother and a and a fourth grade sister, if both of them want to go to a study hall, if their parents want both of them to go to a study hall after, you're then getting them dismissed 30 minutes later or an hour later than the rest of the group. So instead of staggering dismissal by first and second grades, we're staggering dismissal by uh after school activities, club options, tuto uh tutoring options um and and things of that nature. So again, we submitted this this plan to to Demi and her team last week um with the hope that we'd have updates for you today and and those are that's one of the things that that we are working through um still, you know, every day um since then. So, I hope that answers answers your question.

Uh, Demi, your note shows that you you're going to have by February, whatever a date was, you're looking for results, right? Well, far be far before then. Um, yes. All right. Yes. But if if there's if there's no um improvement, then this needs to be reviewed again in February of 2026 in preparation of the upcoming summer session. I have one question. In addition, you did say that you will be meeting with them weekly and monthly. That's something we've already um Okay. I

I have one question for uh you on the conditions. If some of these turn out to be, you know, not even close to viable um kind of how should we address that with with you, the team, and and the commission? The bottom line is the result. If you don't achieve your result, I'm good with that. Everything's gone. I'm good with that. All right. If you don't mind, I'm gonna ask the police chief or some of his people to come in and then we'll get back to you. You guys don't have any more questions for the gentleman. Right. All right. Thank you,

Chief. Good afternoon. What complaints are you hearing and and what do you think the solution would be? Well, for the most part, and I asked assistant chief Jason Plunga to come up here because he's dealing with operational focus of this and he's been dealing with for a number of years. As the attorney said, this is not a new issue. And we get, it's sort of amazing to me that so few people responded to the official survey because we get weekly very disgruntled residents, business owners, uh, customers, um, to all this traffic issue. And it's been going on for a long time. and we gave very uh definitive recommendations over a year ago to help with the traffic problem. They weren't implemented. So, here we are yet another year. We got both public safety issues and impacts on businesses and we're going into another year with some potential plans. So, it's it's very concerning, but I'd like Chief Blanka to go over some of the details. Would would the assistant chief knows the detail of what you guys have recommended?

Yes, sir. So, would you please state your name and address for the record? Yes. Uh Jason Plunkett. I'm the assistant chief of Again, assistant chief of police department, 255 college. Thank you for what you guys do.

Thank you, sir. Um so, just a couple of notes. Um again this has been going on for this precedes this previous school year as everyone knows but when the in the when the enrollment expanded at the school obviously the problems got worse. So just as an example, um between the end of August to through about the first or second week of October last year, our traffic unit had to spend 190 manh hours in the morning and in the evening trying to help with this stuff. And you know, we I think with engineering, the city engineering, what is going on now is the best that it can be with what we have. If it's just parent pickup, that's it. But in the meeting that we had last week with Harmony, I expressed that if they do the busing, that's great. But if they're only expecting 50%, that really needs to be in conjunction. And what we've pushed is an alternate location, drop off and pickup, whether it's feeling and installing crosswalks or whatever. But the the busing is not going I can tell you right now it's not going to really because you're going to have the buses there as well as the parents. So, um we're not really confident that that's uh the best way to go. As far as secondary employment, something that I've expressed to them is it's um we can't make officers work secondary employment. That's they're private contractors. They they can do that or not. in filling a job to have an officer or two officers which I believe we would require a minimum of two to have that fill those positions at two hours in the morning and two hours in the afternoon is very difficult. Uh officers just aren't going to jump on that type of of employment. So we cannot while we can

encourage it and and support them in their endeavor, we can't make officers do that. Um and and they've requested that before and we've not been able to to fill that before. Um yes, we will be there if as available to assist the first first few days. It I I don't want to look at it as an enforcement issue because I'd like for the commission to understand the position that it puts the officers in. Parents have to be able to pick up their children. parents didn't ask for this, but then certainly neither did the residents who can't receive emergency services if they need it, nor did the businesses that are being negatively impacted in the area. So, the police are in the middle. It's it's really hard to go out and and write a parent a ticket for blocking um a turn lane when that's the only place that they have to be. So, what we've ended up having to do is try to mitigate as much as possible the impact. Bottom line is it's too many cars in too small of place at one time. Um so again, even if even if you did approve the busing as as a as a necessity to amend the the um the SUP, we still need to have an alternate plan for pickup. It it the busing is not going to solve the problem. And um you know, we've made proposals that that's been a long-standing proposal of ours back to the first of of the year. Um engineering has loo or engineering has looked at this. We've tried every way we can to to cue the cars up. There's just there's just nowhere to put them. It's it's too many people. Even when enrollment was at 350, it was a problem. That problem was barely manageable. We still got complaints then, but since the enrollment doubled, it's it's just it's not workable as it

is from a police perspective. I know Chief White is here. If you want to talk to him about the negative impact if we needed to get an ambulance somewhere, if we needed to get a fire truck somewhere, there's you just can't. So, all of these neighborhoods across uh Calder, I'm sorry, yeah, across Calder, they're blocked in. They have a hard time getting in and out. So again, it puts the police department in the middle of um really an untenable situation for both the parents and the residents of business owners. If you have specific questions, I'll be happy to try to answer those. Yes, sir. Yes, sir.

Did you say y'all, excuse me, already recommended a alternate pickup? The police department has recommended that that they

What response did you get to that? Well, we got in the last finally in the last meeting that we had, we had some commitment that they're trying to obtain property, but here we are now. We're almost at school start time and it's, you know, we're we're past time to have done this already. And we we don't have a firm commitment. I don't believe is I don't think we can say we have a firm commitment. I think they're still attempting to secure that feeling property. Well, it appears as as a referee in here, it appears that the solutions that they're proposing are not going to work.

I think that implementing the solutions that they have proposed at this point, if they can get alternate alternative drop off and pickup, um that that may do it. It's not going to be perfect. It's just a bad location for this many people. But I don't I don't this is me. I don't believe that that busing at most half of your student population at the same time the parents are picking up is a solution by itself. Chief White, you look like you want to say something. Good afternoon, sir.

Good afternoon. Earl White, 400 Walnut. Uh I've received not only the fire marshall's office but in my office complaints as to the traffic. If you look at it, it's a very small area and you may have noticed that my fire trucks are pretty large and not only for fire but for medical emergencies also. So that's been our concern. We've communicated with Demi with the police department with Molly on our concern. Uh, I'm in agreement with Chief Plunkett's assessment that offsite would probably be a more viable solution when it comes to emergency response uh to that location. You got that story. Demi, what is your opinion?

Uh, my opinion is my opinion is I wish that they would that we would have been having this conversation well before July. Um, however, they submitted a response plan. They It can't be um we're going to do this or only and only this and maybe not that or it needs to be cohesive and it needs to be comprehensive. um and what they submitted to us. If they do all of those things, it may mitigate it. Um but the biggest thing is that this needs to come back for review because if this is too many kids in one spot and this is and it's the traffic congestion is not going to um the traffic congestion is not going to fix itself or relieve itself, then um then we're going to have to look at some alternate options. and if they need a larger campus, that's something, you know, we've talked about that in our last um meeting together. That's something that they need to start looking at. So, it it can't be, you know, we're just going to do busing, we're just going to do this. It's got to be all all of it in my opinion, including the GPS coordination.

All right. Go ahead. What about next? What about It looks like we have no solution really. We have a lot of proposals, some of which a lot of which really don't apparent apparently is not going to work or may not. Why not readress this in 3 months? Just don't wait till holidays and everything else. I mean, we you're going to be able to tell in 3 months whether this proposals are working or not working. Councelor, uh, can I propose for the table this and then have all parties go together and come back in three months? Not you. You're accused, remember? I can.

I'm trying to help. And real quick, I do want to I do want to So Elena normally has every planning commission meeting off uh off the top of her head, but um August 12th is when the school starts. that that's happening. Um so we they wouldn't come back before planning commission until third week of August. Um so school will have started by then. So it's just something to keep in mind. Um the we will do whatever this commission says to do, but that's just something to keep in mind.

Can they move forward and still come back to the next meeting? Can we move forward with some of these options and still come back to anything you can do? Yeah. But I mean, as far as Ashley formally coming to a conclusion right now,

absolutely. And and I apologize if you know talking about the properties was was a bit vague. It's just they're not I I don't want to negotiate against ourselves on pieces of property, you know, and and I hope you understand that. But we had productive efforts today. We came in this morning and toward um tooured a property, looked at a few other properties and and I'm I'm confident that um we can secure a solution for that very very quickly. Um and we're going to do our best. Like Dr. everybody on said if it takes 10 buses to bus 600 kids, we're going to figure out a way to get it to where y'all are happy and and Demi and her team are happy and we can continue, you know, or you might be able to secure off maybe lease temporarily something to get it off

Absolutely. area and then revisit this next meeting. That that is our see what's working. Yes. Our plan is a short-term lease right now before August 12th with a with an option to purchase it once we go through diligence and make sure that it's not, you know, on parking drop off whatever. Yeah. To to queueing staging areas are is the best way we can describe it. All right, let's uh let's keep on going. If you don't mind, I'm going to ask for public comments in here and then we'll come back to you folks. Um we're going to open the public comments. Uh who wants to start? Mr. Perigi, go ahead. And then the gentleman in the back.

Sam Pariji, 445 North 14th Street, Bulmont. I've been listening to this conversation for some time. I go through it, but what's good for the goose is good for the gander. I'm a little concerned about, and I have to step on my own toes. I'm a little concerned that this issue they're having here is no different than the issue we have on at Marshall. Unless the chief can tell me differently. We have the same issue at Marshall. Not as bad because Marshall's a bigger school or Don Road's a bigger school and Glattus bigger. We have the same problem at St. An's. We have the same problem at the new school they just built behind the shopping center. Now, what whatever we're going to do, we got to do it to fix all of them because there's a lot of grumpy people out there driving cars that are being held up because of this and changing lanes. And so, we can talk about forcing them to do something now, but I'm not so sure we need to come up with a solution that's going to cure a lot of these other areas that do have this. Sally Curtis has got the same pro. Regina H, Regina How has the same problem. So, how do we solve the problem? Part of the part of the issue, it's not their fault. The fault is is that when I was growing up, my parents said, "You either walk home or catch the bus or something like that." We didn't have they didn't pick us up. Today, mamas like to pick up their children. I don't blame them. That's just the way we have evolved over the years. which consequently, so if you have 650 students there, you got an average of 350 families probably and you got 350 cars standing out there. But that's across the board at every school that's out there. So that's it. Thank you.

Thank you. Uh yes, sir.

Start the clock in there. Good afternoon, sir. I brought a little Google map. All right. If you don't mind, state your name and address for the record. And then we're going to start the timer. Go ahead.

Good afternoon. My name is Mark Fagger. My office is at 4320 CER. My home is at 3715 Long. So, I not only live in this neighborhood, but I also reside in this neighborhood. And I've made some notes about some things I'd like to talk about with y'all about the entirety of the debacle of the traffic situation that has existed in our neighborhood and our business community along Calder since this school opened. As the as the Bumont Police Department officers here had testified, it was tolerable before. It is now intolerable. And here's why. I'm probably going to need more than three minutes. I s the green lime green is the outline of the problem area. The intersections that I'm talking about or circles in the dark green areas. Okay. Here, here, here. Now, the problem and and I have elderly parents that live on the other side of Calder. My father's 96, my mother's 94. You couldn't get to them if you wanted to while they're dropping off kids and picking up kids at the intersection of Calder and 23rd. You cannot get in the turn lane. If you go south, you can't get in the turn lane to turn and go left on feeling and go east on feeling because when they come down feeling coming to drop off kids and pick up kids, they immediately get in the left turn lane. So there's no access to the left turn lane at all on the intersections of 23rd and feeling. It's totally blocked. Okay. The bigger problem is too, if you want to go go south on 23rd Street while they they're

dropping off and picking up, you can't do that. If you want to turn be west on Calder off 23rd Street, you can't do that. So, it causes a backup in traffic two or three blocks down 23rd Street back to the north. And then the other big issue is is that when on felin when the people come down feeling what they do is they have two routing systems. They have a routing system for the the prek and the one first through second grade and then they have another gate that where they they come in and they drop off the third and fourth and fifth graders. Okay. Well, what they do is when they come down CER to drive and pick up their kids, they get in the left turn lane all the way back to the what I used to call the pumpkin building way back here. Okay. So, the left turn lane is completely occupied and they drive straight through the wrongfully in the left turn lane. And they go straight across called C 23rd and they go so you can't go that way. And

uh I'll make a motion to give the gentleman two more minutes. Thank you. Thank you. The all right. Go ahead.

The so and if you come down if you come from Lucas and you have to turn you come down feeling you have to turn down feeling. They have the the right lane completely blocked as they're turning on Lucas Executive Drive completely blocked during these time periods. So you have to turn from the outside inside lane of Felin onto Executive Drive and the where you have to turn is the center lane and then you have the oncoming left turn lane and I've seen some near misses there. Okay. Now the biggest problem is once you get on feeling and you may have observed this once you get on feeling you have to you you have to drive to avoid the traffic that's blocking the right lane going back east. They park in the bicycle lane which is illegal. But more importantly, they they they force the the residents of this neighborhood and the business owners to drive illegally in the center turn lane. You see where I'm coming from? So, it's and it you you can't access this area when they're doing this. And I have several friends that I talked to and they could not be here today, but there you know BPD promised us they were going to have officer out there. He shows up one time. I have I so you're and I forwarded it to the Bumont Police Department today. I had photographs of this that I took on September the 16th. So this company was well aware there was an issue. Okay. I took videos on November the 4th and again in November the 12th of 2024 showing these extremely dangerous traffic conditions. So, it's a serious situation and you there what really gets me about this whole deal and forgive my my it's been an angry

situation for myself and everybody in the neighborhood. They knew there was a problem when they added all these extra students, but rather than coming to the city council and to y'all to get an amended permit to address these situations, they just said, "Let's play with it until we get caught." They got caught. Thank you, Mr. Faget. Thank you. Is there anybody else that would like to speak for or against this? All right. So, uh, yes, sir. Go ahead. If you would state your name and address.

Yes, sir. Car is 705 Wade Street, Bmont, Texas. Uh, a lot of people in this room know me. I'm Caritos with Caritos Mexican Restaurant. uh us and our family owns Carmelas and we're right to the right of the school and I'd like to give Miss Vine her props for doing the right things with these kids and you know their academics and all that are well but our first priority uh are the kids and the children and we do have a serious traffic problem very serious and we you know see these kids and it's just going to be a matter of time before something happens And uh we get the traffic that comes through the back part of the restaurant to go to Sonic. Um and that bothers us because they're on our property. And we also have people that are picking up kids at the school that park in that parking lot, our parking lot, okay? And go out and try to talk to one of those people and tell them, "Look, you you know, you have to move." And it's not because we're trying to be selfish about it or be ugly about it. We've always tried to be good neighbors. Uh but when you go to approach a a car and tell them said, "Ma'am, we have to move or sir, you have to move." And then they, you know, threaten you with violence or uh you know, kind of give us some sign language, but they don't understand that if we let one car pick up those kids there, then there's going to be multiple cars want to do the same thing. Okay. So, I'm in agreement with uh Bulmont PD uh Earl, you know, and and their staff. I mean, it is a serious serious problem. And I would ask anybody that if you have the time uh to leave your house early and go down them streets like Mr. Fagard

said in the morning between 7:30, 8:00 and 3:00, 3:30, you'll understand the problems that we have. Our problem is you have people coming out of the restaurant that can't get out of the restaurant and vice versa. People trying to turn into the restaurant that can't get into the restaurant. Okay. So again, I mean that affects everybody and it affects us. We want to do the right things. We want to see Harmony continue to do well. But honestly, I can tell you you've outgrown your school and that's a good thing. Now, I think the second question you you know would be looking at like um our council woman in W 2 is here. I just there she is right there.

Oh, w three. Okay. I'm sorry. Oddwwind. Uh we have a a school ML King down here in the avenues. Maybe they can look at that of moving a school there. I don't know. But what's working? It's not going to work. This ain't rocket science. You can't double a school and faculty increase and think that it's going to get better. They hit it right on the head. When you bring buses, you're going to have the same problem. It might be a worse problem. I understand what they're wanting to do, but it it's just in the end, it's not going to work. And we've been battling this issue. So, you know, uh we don't want to be return enemies, but at the same time, uh we have a a business that operates in the communities and people count on us and and uh we want to be supportive of that. So, uh again, I'm saddened, but I just they've outgrown the school and now we start a new school year and we're in the same mode again. Let's come back in three months. Let's come back next year. I mean, it's kind of like we we kicking the can down the street. That's what I think. But, I mean, you know, I don't make those decisions, but I can tell you it's just not going to work. And I my apologies. I don't want to say that in an ugly way, but this it's just not going to work out.

All right. Okay. Thank you. Thank you very much. Anybody else? Okay. So, now you heard the negatives and you can respond. I want to say one more time sorry for that but it will work. It will work in I mean anyway otherwise we will move the school for sure. We will not uh kick the can we will fix it in 3 months. If we cannot fix it we will move the school to another place for sure.

Thank you very much sir. Uh is there anybody else that would like to speak for or against this case? None is heard. So, we'll close the public hearing. We heard from all the interested party, the police, the neighbors, and everybody else. So, uh I entertain a motion. No, go hold on, hold on, hold on. Go ahead.

Real quick, I do want to um put it on the record that this property is before you guys because it has an SU. Um it the school came in uh be post 1981. Um 1981 is when we adopted our zoning code. So that's why the specific use permit applies here. So I don't want it to to seem as if it's a you know we're picking on just harmony. It's just because the SUP applies here and that's why it's before you guys at this commission.

Mr. Linton, you had something um for clarification of what we're going to be voting on. I want to understand that uh the SUP is asking to be modified correct and in that modification we had conditions even though it's not here we added conditions on addition to this I was trying to get a clarification on right now what's going to happen on August the 12th that's definitely going to happen on August the 12th

that's going to be in to the conditions and I know there's other things that you said will come later. And with that, I want to address back 60 days down the road will probably be too late. Uh that that should be met within a shorter time period to make sure that it's being corrected. So that that's that's all I have.

All right. No, hold on a minute. Go ahead. Um, everybody else had their comments. All right. Thank you very much. I'm sorry it's kind of trying, but uh I would entertain a motion.

Postponding it with them continuing with their work. Right. Commissioner Little, are you asking them to come back and present f like findings? Are you asking them to implement something specific on the plan or are you asking them to continue to find additional solutions? I just wanted to be clear.

Okay. Yes. So, I just wanted to be clear when they come back, are they coming back to say we imple No, I'm asking when they come back, are you are you expecting them to come back and say we've implemented these things and it's working or we found a different solution to the problem?

She just said that. Okay. Just just so you know, my mind's a little simple. Don't worry, it's usually him. So, so you're looking for a solution in three months. All right. So, there is a motion here. We need to make this proper. There is a motion. Is there a second to the motion? You have a second. Is there any discussion? And you

discussion. So to make this clear, we are going to vote on this with the conditions and you're adding coming back in three months or we I believe Commissioner Little uh table or re made a motion to table for three months to come back uh and essentially see if uh their response plan has worked or is effective. He's looking for a solution to see if it's working in three months. Okay. Any other discussion to clarify? Are we not amending the SUP today? Is it a complete and full table?

Yes, sir. Any other discussion? All in favor say I. Any in opposition? The eyes have it. Thank you. All right. Uh, dear mayor, I'm sorry that we have put you through this all day today, but uh, be happy that you're going to let us go home. And who are you? We called you and you weren't here, sir. We already voted. Go ahead, Mr. Mayor.

I'm sorry. You were in here. All right, with that the meeting's adjourned. Thank you, sir.

May I May I visit with you? Yes. Oh, Lord. No problem. I would take my engineers next door. I tell you, next time I'm not going to sit here. I'm going to be