City Council - Regular Meeting

Tuesday, September 1, 2026

The City Council proclaimed September 2026 as National Childhood Cancer Awareness Month and approved waiving fees for the "Krewe of Boo" parade through October 2028. They also adopted the FY 26-27 tax levy, the FY 2027 utility rate schedule, and an increased retainer for the city attorney.

About this meeting

Government Body
City Council
Meeting Type
City Council
Location
Bay St. Louis, MS
Meeting Date
September 1, 2026

Transcript

208 sections

0:45Speaker 3

Who's just a mama here?

0:46Speaker 7

Well, I saw him. I hope he doesn't start choking on me over here. Just one?

0:56Speaker 3

Josh is the one that suffers with sinuses all the time.

1:30Speaker 5

We'll go ahead and call the order. September 1st, 2026, city council meeting. If everybody would stand up for the prayer and pledge. Ms. Moynihan will lead us in prayer.

1:41 – 2:03Speaker 6

Father, Son, Holy Spirit, Amen. Gracious God, this council has a duty to make good and informed decisions on behalf of our great city and our wonderful citizens. We ask that you keep us in this unique care and respect for one another. In your name we pray, amen. Amen.

2:04 – 2:20Speaker 3

I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands, one nation, under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.

2:23 – 3:14Speaker 5

All right. roll call. Ward one is not here. Ward two, three, four, five, six and that large are all present. And ward one may call in shortly. Any agenda minutes needed from anyone? Okay. Announcement September 8th, 2026, special meeting to adopt the 2627 budget September 15 2026 the next City Council meeting Yes, Rebecca Mauro Okay, all right childhood cancer awareness proclamation you have that mayor I

3:26 – 4:34Speaker 12

So whereas nearly 15,000 children under the age of 19 will be diagnosed with cancer in the United States in 2026, including more than 130 from Mississippi, and whereas approximately 1 in 263 children in the United States is diagnosed with cancer before their 20th birthday, making cancer the leading cause of death and disease among children in the U.S. Whereas nearly 500,000 children cancer survivors are alive in the United States today, many of whom face long-term health challenges as a result of the treatments that save their lives. And whereas the National Childhood Cancer Awareness Month provides an opportunity to honor children and families affected by childhood cancer, remember those who have lost their lives, celebrate the survivors, and raise awareness of support to continue research and improve treatment. Now, therefore, I, Michael J. Falls, Mayor of the City of Bay St. Louis, along with the City Council and all its citizens do hereby proclaim the month of September 2026 as National Childhood Cancer Awareness Month.

4:42 – 5:23Speaker 1

I lost my 15-year-old son 17 and a half years ago from leukemia. And y'all may not think this is a lot, but y'all do, but it is. It's a lot for us on the coast. It brings awareness to our fundraisers and events we have to help the kids in treatment and to keep research. My son was given an adult dose of chemo. Leukemia did not kill him. The chemo gave him brain damage. Children these days get the same chemo you would get, you would get. It's not based on weight. It's just flat across the board. So things like this do bring awareness to what we do to get more research to get those kids the drugs they need and not the adult drugs. So thank y'all very much, we really appreciate it.

5:28Speaker 5

Okay. Gail Adams?

5:40Speaker 8

Hello, my name is Brett Ladner, I'm Vice President of Move in the Bay.

5:45Speaker 10

And I'm Gail Adams, president of Blue in the Bay. Sorry, I'm losing my voice tonight.

5:49 – 6:28Speaker 8

All right. We're here to ask the mayor and the city council to waive the fee for the ground for renting the eco-district area for our Bay. And also propose maybe going forward, waive these so we don't have to come back every year. And as you know, it brings a lot to the city. We also donate half our proceeds back to the Basin Park. I think so far they've already got a commercial ice machine, refrigerator. I think last year some of the officers actually got to go train with the fund. And so it brings great benefit to the city of Basin Park.

6:29Speaker 5

Yes, it does. Can we go to the future and do it, or does it need to be on basis each year?

6:38Speaker 2

I think you could do it for your term.

6:40Speaker 5

Fall term, that's what I'm asking. Correct. Okay, so we could do it for the term.

6:47 – 7:31Speaker 9

any discussion amongst the council on this i just had a quick question gail and brett appreciate the opportunity coming before us tonight and uh appreciate the generosity i think it's as noted in your summary um nearly twelve thousand dollars actually twelve thousand four hundred seventy two has been donated since 2021 so we appreciate that generosity and a lot of that goes to our police department and special needs that we have there and training as well so really appreciate that you know, those generous donations over the years. I know right now the rental's $400, right, Mike? $400? And what you guys donated far exceeds that amount. So I'm just curious. So is there a fee for those that are riding in the parade? I'm just curious on how those...

7:31 – 7:44Speaker 10

There is. There's a $35 registration fee that I've been encouraged to increase, but I refuse to do so because there's so many people in this area that like to participate. I really could not afford to pay anymore, as I will not raise the fee.

7:44Speaker 9

It's 35 to be in the parade?

7:46Speaker 10

You can have 10 people under unit, and it's 35.

7:50Speaker 9

To be in the parade. To be in the parade. How many registrations?

7:54Speaker 10

Last year we had 12.

7:54Speaker 9

Do you anticipate that continuing to grow?

8:01Speaker 10

No, because the parking spots at the depot now, we've actually scaled it down quite a bit.

8:08Speaker 9

Yeah. And is this event, and you would be, the event starts, is that 11, or the request is at 11?

8:16Speaker 10

Line up, let's start at 11.

8:17Speaker 9

11-8, okay. And there's bans during that time too?

8:21Speaker 9

Bans during that time?

8:22Speaker 10

Yes, that Brett and I pay for personally because we don't take the funds out of who, because we want to give back to our two beneficiaries.

8:33Speaker 5

Thanks for that clarification. Any other discussion?

8:39 – 9:07Speaker 13

i do um with the deposit being 500 would they still make that with the if we voted in favor of waiving the fees and then just be reimbursed just in case for insurance coverage i'm not sure how y'all have done that in the past when we waive the fees do they still pay a deposit on the grounds or no yeah okay and we'll just hold and then get rid of maybe okay all right

9:09 – 9:21Speaker 5

Any other discussion? One thing I have is it does bring a lot to the community. It's a well-attended event. My granddaughter loves it. We go to it. The city's packed. It is. I mean, it's awesome.

9:22Speaker 6

Nice to see all the kids.

9:23 – 9:51Speaker 3

Mm-hmm. I'm amazed at the creativity these people have to do this it's awesome they must spend like half a year decorating these folks jeeps and stuff we're very blessed definitely a good event for the city so I would entertain a motion to waive the fees for the crew of boo parade motion

9:53Speaker 5

Motion Mr. Smith, do you want to do that for this year or through the term?

9:57Speaker 3

The entire term.

9:57Speaker 5

The entire term. So motion to waive the fees for the term that we're on council, which is what?

10:05Speaker 7

October 28th.

10:06 – 10:20Speaker 2

Actually, it would be this year and next year. Right. Technically, you can set a blanket where it's waiver. It just becomes voidable once the next term starts, meaning the new council could come in and revoke it without any issue.

10:21Speaker 5

So we'll go October 28th, you said?

10:24Speaker 7

October 28th would be for our term. And the election would be in April of 29th. Okay.

10:31Speaker 5

All right. So through October 2028. Right. All right. Motion, Mr. Smith, do I have a second?

10:39Speaker 6

Moining seconds.

10:40Speaker 5

Ms. Moining second. Any further discussion? Vote to motion.

10:46 – 11:25Speaker 5

You know I think it's also important to note real quick that in addition to what the city receives the Children's Center for Communication and Development receives the same amount each year they receive it every 12,000 dollars as well Yeah we appreciate that The business has benefited greatly from it, too. Downtown's packed, all the restaurants, everybody's getting a lot of business from it, and it's a great event. Thank you.

11:25Speaker 10

We appreciate you.

11:26 – 12:15Speaker 5

Thank you. Next up is a public hearing for the fiscal year 26-27 budget. I will go ahead and open that hearing at 5.41 p.m. is there anyone here to speak on the budget okay no one here to speak on it nobody was signed up huh caitlin nope okay all right um Any discussion amongst the council on the budget?

12:18Speaker 3

No, sir. All right.

12:20 – 12:32Speaker 5

So we'll go ahead and close the public hearing for the fiscal year 26-27 budget at 5.41 p.m. No comments?

12:33Speaker 2

No discussion? Please let the record reflect that there was no one signed up for public comment and no one in the audience offered public comment.

12:39 – 12:53Speaker 5

Okay. Got that, Kaylin? Thank you. Okay, next up is to adopt a fiscal year 26-27 tax levy. Do I have a motion? Motion. Motion, Mr. Smith. Do I have a second?

12:55Speaker 6

Moining, second.

12:56Speaker 5

Ms. Moining, second. Any discussion? Yes.

13:02Speaker 2

And just to reiterate real quick, that is a motion to approve the resolutions to fix the tax levies for the City of Bay St. Louis FY 2027.

13:15Speaker 13

Is this going to be affected with the school's bond that they're requesting?

13:20 – 13:37Speaker 12

No That rate would reduce a little over half mil 5.7 I think it is with the final The bond would be future to this it would be future budgets Any further discussion?

13:45Speaker 5

Vote to motion.

13:50 – 14:10Speaker 5

Aye. Motion passes 6-0. Thank you. Thank you. Public forum agenda items only. Minutes approval. Motion to approve the minutes from August 18th, 2026. Motion. Motion, Smith. Do I have a second?

14:13Speaker 5

You said that was second or something? All right. Any discussion? Vote to motion.

14:22 – 14:40Speaker 5

Aye. Motion passes 6-0. Consent agenda items A through K. Any discussion on any of them items? Do I have a motion? Motion. Motion, Mr. Smith. Do I have a second?

14:40Speaker 6

Moining seconds.

14:42Speaker 5

Moining second. Any discussion? Vote to motion.

14:47 – 14:58Speaker 5

Aye. Aye. Aye. Aye. Aye. Motion passes 6-0. Project updates.

14:59 – 15:10Speaker 4

Good evening tonight. We don't have any action items or specific discussion items, but if you have any questions about any current projects based on our report that we submitted, I'll be happy to address it.

15:11Speaker 5

I see we've got some striping coming, huh, Nora? Yeah. Bids in there for some striping. And then I think.

15:19Speaker 6

I didn't hear what you said. Striping.

15:21 – 15:36Speaker 12

Striping. Yes. And downtown on some crosswalks, different things. Okay. He's also got a price on some other coming as far as maybe some of our largest streets, I think, central out that way that they're talking about.

15:38Speaker 5

Is that including the scope might

16:04Speaker 12

That's not in this one.

16:05 – 16:19Speaker 12

This is just for the area down there to do some stops, stop signs, everything, crosswalks down in there and everything. That's coming. Hopefully we'll have something to do for that.

16:20Speaker 9

Striping in other areas? Yeah.

16:21Speaker 12

We put $100,000 in the budget this year, and it's just now getting away, getting prices on everything. I think we have a new budget for next year as well, so...

16:34Speaker 6

So we're going to be utilizing the county? No.

16:42 – 16:53Speaker 12

We may in the future. But this is through a contract. We've got two bids. I think one is $30,000 and one is $20,000. Okay. So we're going to utilize them right now. Okay.

16:56Speaker 12

One area is the parking lot downtown. I want to look into that.

17:08Speaker 5

All right. Any questions for Jason?

17:12 – 17:26Speaker 9

I got one. Jason, what would be next steps for, I know SMPDD did the road survey for us, but what's the next steps on that? And I know Ronnie was going to look at some areas too, but where do we stand with that, with some of the road improvements, service improvements?

17:26 – 17:52Speaker 4

So as part of the paving contract process, the council approved change order to warrant paving to add some additional streets, so they're starting on those. After that, I think you'd have to look at the recommendations from SMPDD and try to evaluate how much road preservation you want to do to budget annually and look at what those classifications were to see where you want to try to focus.

17:54Speaker 9

And we're all settled on Main Street. That took a little longer than expected, though. Kyle, don't say we settled on Main Street.

18:00 – 18:25Speaker 4

There's no more settlement on Main Street, hopefully. Yeah, so everything's tied in. All the lines are lined. The rocks are there. We're going to let that sit for about a week. The contractor plans to come in and pave that intersection next week. And then we'll stripe it about two weeks after that, and then we'll be complete with that repair. Okay. And we do have a one-year warranty, so if there's any issues, then we can always get the contract back out.

18:27 – 18:38Speaker 6

And as far as the downtown, the 488 boardwalk, you will be extending that from DeMontlison to Ullman?

18:38 – 18:59Speaker 4

The plan is to go through this grant from DeMontlison, hopefully all the way to Carroll. If we can get to Almond, we're working on those costs right now with the contractor. If we can get all the way to Carroll or to Almond, that would be great. We think we can, but we're still working out some final pricing with the contractor. Be sure we can do it all underneath the grant, the TCRF grant.

19:00Speaker 3

That'd be great.

19:03Speaker 6

Yeah, we kind of did not make much sense to stop at Carroll.

19:07Speaker 12

Well, the intent is to go, whether it's in this phase or the next phase, the intent is to go all the way down to it, to all. So it's either in this phase or the next phase.

19:16Speaker 2

It has to be segmented out with grant funds. Okay. Thank you.

19:21Speaker 5

Any other questions? We went out to bid for it, though. Tournament?

19:28Speaker 4

Tournament bid, we take bids on Thursday. Thursday. Hopefully we'll have a recommendation at the next county.

19:36Speaker 4

Just one thing I'd like to point out, the Ramonita-Seward project, we came in about $80,000 on a budget on that, so. Wow, that's huge. Whenever we come in under, we do like to point it.

19:47 – 20:41Speaker 5

Good, good. Any other discussion? Anything for us on that? No, we're good. Thank you, sir. Thank you. Appreciate it. Thank you. Ordinances, nothing. City clerk's report. Motion to approve document claims. 26-048 dated September 1st 2026 and amounted to one million three hundred nineteen thousand eight hundred fifty two dollars and forty five cents motion motion mr. Smith do I have a second second Davis any discussion motion passes 6-0 thank you most approved doctor the claim 26-049 Special dated September 1st, 2026, amount of $184. Let the record show Ms. Holmes is out of the room.

20:43Speaker 5

Motion, Ms. Smith.

20:44Speaker 6

Moining in seconds.

20:46Speaker 5

Ms. Moining in seconds. Any discussion? Vote to motion.

20:52 – 21:16Speaker 5

Aye. Motion passes 5-0. Ms. Holmes has reentered the room. All right. C is motion to approve Docter of the Claims 26-050, special date of September 1st, 2026, in the amount of $396,767.82. Motion. Motion, Smith. Do we have a second?

21:16Speaker 6

Moining seconds.

21:17Speaker 5

Moining second. Any discussion? Vote to motion.

21:24 – 21:37Speaker 5

Aye. Motion passes 6-0. Thank you. Mayor's agenda. Motion to approve a resolution of the city council in Bay St. Louis, Mississippi, adopting the FY 2027 utility rate schedule.

21:39Speaker 5

Motion, Smith. Do I have a second?

21:42Speaker 6

Moining seconds.

21:44Speaker 5

Mr. Moynihan, second.

21:45 – 22:27Speaker 9

Discussion? Yeah, just a brief discussion on it. I just wanted to point out, you know, it's broken down by residential and commercial. You know, residential, it's minimal impact, but I think it is wise to continue evaluating and making sure that we're not only covering our expenses, but also Having the ability to have some and some emergency utilities funds I was talking to some engineer in another city and he said a lot of Municipalities especially have gotten themselves in a hole to where they're not appropriately charging throughout the years and then they have to go back and do a large increase Or there's a potential of the states not bailing them out on this I think it is wise to continue to do it in increments and as we're doing it to ensure that at the very least recovering our expenses as well and then building up a little bit of reserve if there is a repair needed

22:29 – 23:27Speaker 12

I agree completely. And this was, you know, an increase on the flat fee, and then it was also a 5% increase on water and wastewater and things like that. Yeah, it's been a memorable impact, and we've been blessed to get the water. And I sent the survey out. Gosh, it's been a couple. It was during budget season about that the state did for— not the entire state but it's most of the municipality and some of the outside the cities and all some of that costs and everything and again we're still very good um but luckily of course you know it's just i don't even know how they do it for what they do and all but but it's funny some people aren't you know for 10 000 gallons of water a couple of cities pay 190 a month 191 a month for 10 000 gallons of water and when you look at this you wonder You know, I'm not sure what that situation is, but I think we're very fortunate now to be where we're at now.

23:27 – 23:44Speaker 5

We are, yeah. Yeah. Well, look, she wouldn't be a model I would follow right now, probably. That is definitely enough. All right. Vote to motion, please.

23:49 – 25:53Speaker 6

motion passes 6-0 thank you council business nothing on here you have anything I do I have a few things first of all I'd like to compliment public works and Pike landscaping for the beautiful addition of rock garden at the foot of Main Street and Beach Boulevard it really really is Lovely. And also, last week I had the pleasure of participating in some police training. They hosted a nationwide negotiator training last week. And there were police departments represented from California and Colorado, Indiana, Arkansas, I believe. And Alvin asked me if I would participate, knowing that I've done little theater in the past. So it wasn't too far of a stretch. I played a... Paranoid schizophrenic. Short of psycho. Short of psycho. Typecasting, absolutely, was not a stretch. But it was really an impressive day to see what really goes on and how needed this training is And actually, there was a call for a negotiator while we were in training on 603. So, you know, training in action. So thank you to the police department. I think you're doing wonderful things. And every group was excited to come back again.

25:53Speaker 9

And you didn't get tased, right?

25:55 – 26:37Speaker 6

I did not get tased. Oh, no, I did not get tased either. Yeah. Yeah, it was great memories. And also lastly, Last Wednesday, we hosted a day-long inspection of Bay St. Louis by the Director of Economic Development and two board members of Mississippi Main Street Association, and the day was phenomenal. It was very positive, impactful, and we are officially in the network phase. Kudos.

26:50 – 27:44Speaker 9

Mike can we get I got a call today from Spanish acres. Can we get the crew out there? There's some dishes that need to be There's also some areas it looks like I mean we maintain and next any fire hydrants to you, right? That's something that our contractor needs to get done Okay, so there's definitely some overgrowth on that and we're testing the fire department still testing those out routinely, right? I We test them. Yeah, we test them. Okay. And then there's just some areas with some manholes, some concrete that was overgrown. I think he actually had to cut some of it away to even show it. So it's just a matter of getting out there, getting those ditches. I know part of Ward 4, Ronnie and his team got some of those ditches dug, which we greatly appreciate that. But looking at Spanish Acres and seeing what areas we can kind of tend to, especially some of those areas that need to be weed-eated on some of the city property, the easement.

27:47Speaker 3

Yeah, I believe it was Louis Pendergrass they called?

27:58Speaker 3

Do you know, Mike, when St. Charles Street is being planned on digging the ditches there along St. Charles?

28:05Speaker 12

I can find out from Ronnie.

28:07Speaker 9

I'd appreciate it. I think they did some of that, Larry, because I know right on the corner of St. Charles and 3rd.

28:13 – 28:24Speaker 12

What blocks are we looking at? Yeah, they did. I'm not sure where they went. I'll check with Ronnie.

28:24Speaker 3

All right, thank you.

28:25Speaker 12

Are we talking about off the trail or on the other side of the track?

28:31Speaker 3

On the other side of the track.

28:34 – 28:48Speaker 9

Because Mike, I think, and Ronnie's going to take care of it, but it was on the corner of St. Charles and 3rd. I think they dug just a little bit too much. And it was kind of, it was eroding a little bit by mailbox by Mr. Carver. I think there are some codes out there that are going to be addressing that.

28:48 – 29:14Speaker 5

Okay. Anything else? All right. Good. Public forum, non-agenda topics. Dottie Benton? Oh, I'm sorry. Don't be. Mr. John.

29:14 – 31:50Speaker 11

How you doing? John Benton. Sorry about that. That's all right. I forgive you. 134 Carroll Avenue. I did like the rocks and junipers. We have a unique situation and I'm pretty tolerant person I mean I put up with New Orleans for 60 years I'm not one of these general complainers but next door at 1 30 we have capacity, I forgot what they currently use in the ordinance, but they can allow up to 18 people in that particular establishment. And also, I think it's four additional people per dwelling, which comes out to a huge number of people. And one of the issues, they put a pool right next to where we sit outside, and it's pretty much open 24-7. I don't know where the people are coming from. A lot of them look like they're workers, but they're using a pool every afternoon. So it's just not a weekend annoyance. So pretty much every day of the week. The next door to them at 128, they have occupancy of 13 people. So any given weekend, we can have 30 plus people that are having fun. Don't get me wrong, I travel, I use FTRs. So I'm not opposed to the concept. Like I said, I think we have a unique situation. So I guess what I'm wondering is, is the ordinance in place and is it being enforced? For example, next door, when I stand with the ordinance, you can't park on the street. That's just one example. So I've been informed by various people to call the police. I hate to call the police about something like that. Plus, they're not going to enforce, correct me if I'm wrong, you're not going to enforce short-term ordinance. It's strictly, I guess, civil law they're going to enforce. And my question is, do I keep calling, complaining, or do I do nothing at this point?

31:53 – 33:52Speaker 12

I think the parking in the street, it is in there. But myself, it's in a lawsuit right now being held up because it's just claiming discrimination against those homes when everyone else can park in the street. So anytime you can ride down in that block and there's 15, 18 cars in that one block parked on the street. No telling who's in this house where... Got the address. It's two down from you. Point 28. Yeah. So when someone's parked in there, you know, don't know whether or not they're in that house, whether they're down the street, next door, or whatever. Parking on the sidewalk is a different thing. I think that's enforceable anywhere at any time. I think they try to get there and I know the chief has put together over the last year and a half and I'll have that sent out but where he put together how many times our officers ride through there and patrolling that in particular area that particular and I mean calls have been received on anything and how many citations have been given and I mean, warning and how many times they've been by that with a call and nothing's available. So it's very limited to the amount of calls that was made. You know, call ins for them to go on their own. They've taken in when they've seen, you know, parking on the sidewalk. I'm thinking that's what most of these violations are that they they write the tickets for all. you know, getting them to move from there or whatever. So they've been very proactive in that area, and I'll have that report sent out for the last year and a half that he's put together. Okay. Also – But I do believe, you know, parking in the street is a different situation from the sidewalk, and I just don't believe they need to enforce parking on the sidewalk anyway.

33:53 – 34:44Speaker 11

Okay, so Heather, is it enforceable at this point? It is. So it is enforceable? Yeah, it is enforceable. The ordinance, okay. One concern I had with, I guess, planning permits, our neighbor, I know both these, well, I know one of them real well. They're from New Orleans. They never had a permit. They were operating without a permit. They applied for a permit, and their parking plan was they couldn't, provide a parking plan because a tree was in the way. Okay, that was their parking plan, and they still got a permit to operate. But my question is, is anything being enforced? Is it being scrutinized? And also I understand there's never been a citation written. Is that correct?

34:48Speaker 5

They'll check into it. We have a three-minute limit, but do you have any more questions?

34:56 – 35:07Speaker 11

No, I just want to know, do I keep complaining or at this point, what do I do? I know the council's here to protect the city and the culture and downtown.

35:07 – 35:36Speaker 5

Yes, sir. Yeah, and we set policies and the administration enforces policies. So, unfortunately, we don't have that side of the law to take the action. That's the administrative side. And I would think on the police department, if it's a violation of Irregular law whether it's vacation rail or not, they would enforce it to the scope of the law, you know, so They tell you to call the fraction police department is that right?

35:37Speaker 3

Yes, because the documentation is important.

35:39 – 36:29Speaker 9

Yes, the documentation is important Mike can we get do we have we can we have visibility at the next meeting? Well, how many permits we actually have? given thus far since that ordinance has been passed and there is a provision in the ordinance based on the number of complaints and disturbances and calls and citations written that that would hinder their ability in the future to be able to obtain the permit that is a provision in that ordinance so do we have any tracking mechanism of that as well mike jeremy should have all that information if he's getting complaints and everything he should have that And it's a rolling, remind me, is it set date for that permit, application for all, or is it a rolling anniversary of when they first applied? They had a set date.

36:29Speaker 12

No, I think it was October.

36:30 – 36:41Speaker 9

Okay, okay. So they've got to renew at that set time. And then I'm assuming that's when it'll be reviewed as to any complaints, disturbances, calls, citations, and their ability to renew, right?

36:44Speaker 13

Didn't he also file a complaint with code enforcement? Like if you have pictures, documentations?

36:53 – 37:13Speaker 11

hard on the weekends but yeah I think well we have a lot of times they don't write report the police but they do have records on dispatch who's where they're being you know when they're being sent out where they miss Heather is there anything in the ordinances that tell us

37:14Speaker 3

If this is a repeat offender, how many times? And then they can have their license revoked or their permits revoked.

37:21Speaker 11

Well, it was like three times in a year. Three times.

37:23Speaker 5

That's what I thought it was, yes, within a 12-month period or something.

37:27Speaker 3

All right. Thank you.

37:28 – 37:42Speaker 5

All right. Thank you. No one else has signed up for public forum. Next, attorney's report. Most to approve an engagement letter between City of Bay, St. Louis, and Butler Snowe.

37:43 – 38:20Speaker 12

retainer for fiscal year 2627 effective October 1st 2026 yeah I thought that was on the mind I guess I missed that there but yeah it's a contract with Heather and Butler snow for the coming year I think we started a contract in 22, if I remember. And this is the same contract we've had with them. And it's just an increase from $125,000 something a year to $144,000 increase. Increase of not quite $20,000, like $19,000.

38:30 – 38:41Speaker 9

So it's roughly about 15% increase, Mike. I mean, is there a rationale or justification for a necessity of that? Because this kind of falls outside of the CPI, typical CPI. So would there be a justification within three years?

38:41Speaker 12

This is over four years. What's that? This is over a four-year period, too. We haven't had an increase in this.

38:47Speaker 3

Right. As I remember, we discussed this during our budget hearings in detail. So I'd like to make a motion.

38:55Speaker 13

But was that just her retainer, or was it the overall?

38:59Speaker 5

This is retainer. Right. Motion's moved. Do I have a second?

39:07Speaker 6

Moining in seconds.

39:08Speaker 5

Moining in second. And open the floor for discussion. Do you have more discussion?

39:12 – 40:09Speaker 9

Yeah, I do have some more discussion on that. You know, looking in the scope of engagement and looking at what's contained in the retainer, it looks like general legal services, general planning and zoning, routine personnel matters, day-to-day operations of the city, attendance at the city council meetings, city council agenda review, and routine contract review. And there are items outside of the retainer. that would be at a rate agreed upon at 275 an hour. So I guess my question, too, to the council, you know, with the day-to-day operations, and Josh, you can probably recollect this when we first approved in the previous term the chief administrative officer, you know, the rationale, I think at that time, the attorney was not on a retainer as an hourly, and so the justification for the role of chief administrative officer was to handle the day-to-day operations. So with this being on a retainer, what is the need really at this point for even having the chief administrative officer budgeted if we have that right now that we're paying for the city attorney to handle?

40:09 – 40:52Speaker 2

Let me clarify. I do not operate the city on a day-to-day basis. That is questions that come up legally pertaining to the day-to-day operation of the city. I do not now operate the city on a day-to-day basis. I have never ran the city on a day-to-day basis. I have never operated as the CAO. That is strictly from a legal standpoint of the day-to-day operation. There is legal issues that come up daily if not hourly sometimes by a minute around here and that is what that is pertaining to i'm just reading what the scope is and it's day-to-day operations of the city so maybe it should be clarified day-to-day operation of the city pertinent to legal matters and i guess i just thought that spoke for itself since i'm the lawyer and that is for legal services

40:52Speaker 9

Yeah, I just wanted that for clarification. Actually, that was the rationale in our discussion a couple, three years ago.

40:58Speaker 2

I do not ever remember being the rationale of any fee that I've ever been for me to operate.

41:04 – 41:18Speaker 9

No, I'm not saying on yours. I would just like to clarify because there has been plenty of. The rationale presented to us to have the chief administrative officer was to handle the day-to-day operations, and that would theoretically take. the need for the attorney away from that. That was when it was hourly.

41:19Speaker 2

It does not.

41:19Speaker 9

So there is a difference.

41:20 – 41:40Speaker 2

And in fact, I mean, when a CAO is in that seat, I would say, if anything, it increases my workload because there is more questions sent to me. It's the same thing you will hear people say frequently. Your outside counsel fees go up if you hire a GC to sit in the chair because there are more legal questions that come up.

41:40Speaker 9

So there's no overlaps in terms of what those functions are? No. No.

41:47 – 42:09Speaker 5

So the day-to-day is pretty much, if Ronnie has a problem with an employee, if this one has a problem, day-to-day, they go to the city and they got a question, they call you, you answer the question, whether you know the answer or you have to go to somebody else in the firm to get the answer, that's all included in this retainer. It's not you managing the city day-to-day? No.

42:09Speaker 2

I mean, there are days that I receive phone calls from

42:15 – 42:46Speaker 9

almost every sometimes it feels like every employee in the city and that's okay that's what i'm here for going back to as well part of the scope can we get i know it was done in the past when it falls outside of the uh outside of the retainer as a breakdown because we are charged hourly for that can we get that mike are you getting that monthly because we used to get it monthly and now i think it's maybe housed here in the chamber orders can we just get that email to us sometimes it might be difficult for us to get over here and review that before voting upon it So we can get that back emailed monthly.

42:47Speaker 2

And that will come from Mike. Mike will email.

42:50Speaker 9

Yeah, I think it used to come maybe from one of your, maybe an assistant, but then maybe she retired.

42:55 – 43:42Speaker 2

She did. She retired. And the issue with that, and I will tell you, and I will tell you all publicly, I have no, I have, there is nothing on any bill that you ever received to me that I am, afraid or ashamed of, it's public record, but it's also privileged information. So when that email is sent to you guys, just remember that there are eight of you now in possession with privileged information. So if an email gets forwarded with that privileged information, that attorney-client privilege is broken. So that is the reason why it goes to one place and it's put in a folder where anybody can go see it and grab it because you don't have confidential attorney-client privilege information just floating out on the web, but it is never, you know, it's always readily available to any of you to look at.

43:44Speaker 2

And I also would have problems with people emailing my secretary asking legal questions directly.

43:51Speaker 5

Any further discussion?

43:54Speaker 13

Just make sure we're asking questions about taking notes.

43:59 – 44:35Speaker 5

I'm just saying with your hourly rate just make sure you know you understand that it's business yeah yeah exactly so all right hear the motion in a second no further discussion go ahead and vote the motion aye aye nay aye aye motion passes 5-1 thank you All right. Any other supplementary report? No. Nothing else? No executive session needed?

44:38Speaker 5

Remember recess meeting Tuesday the 8th. So we're not adjourning, we're just recessing?

44:44 – 45:04Speaker 2

Yes, and we will do that with a motion. And just to announce, I know it's been announced earlier, but just to announce again, September 8th will be your special meeting to adopt your FY26-27 budget. And there is also an advertisement that will be ran in the paper just advertising that you're adopting your budget in a week.

45:04 – 45:15Speaker 5

Okay, thank you. All right, so I entertain a motion to recess the meeting. Motion. September 1st to September 8th, 2026, to adopt the fiscal year 2027 budget. Motion, Smith. Do I have a second?

45:16Speaker 6

Point and second.

45:17Speaker 5

Second. Davis.

45:20Speaker 5

She beat you. Got in there, girl. Just barely. She was in my good ear. Go ahead and vote to motion.

45:28Speaker 5

Aye. Aye. Aye. Aye. Pass the six arrow. Thank you all.

45:33Speaker 6

Thank you, Josh.

45:34Speaker 3

Thank you, Johnnie.

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