City Council - Regular Meeting

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Where you at? I'm looking at it here. Right here. You putting this on? Yeah. What do you do? That 316 roof ridge line.

Yeah, it's going to be a big valley right now. You're going to take this,

but the roof line is going to continue on back. Hello, Patty. You don't know what that is. This is the And there's one there, too. So, yeah. So, you're gonna go all the way across here and then it's gonna be

No. Yeah. So, you're just going to bring the whole ridge all the way across and get into this thing here.

But your ridge is here.

We had three um Yeah.

Yeah. I said there going to be some looking at the like I said there going to be some roof work on this one. Oh yeah. Every time I do something like this

is that metal on that roof. Okay. thought it was. Is it low? Is it low profile panel or is it high profile? It's I think it's the old Yeah, the panel. So, it's probably got the inch and a half or Yeah, I know. It's a little square. Square little mini region. Yeah, you're going to match that. I mean, you're doing a whole roof then would tell you make sure. We're not going to do Yeah, we're not going to do the

roof match thereof taking off that little thing on your side. But everything that you're talking You saw yourself

in your spare time.

My son can do CAD drawing. I can read them.

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I'm doing I gave her I gave her I don't think I got I got the gave me. Oh, okay. I got

Anyway, they're building some really nice places up there. car. That's overhang.

Call to order the February 9th, 2026 Historic Preservation Commission meeting. Start this meeting prayer. Father, Son, and the Holy Spirit. Our Father, who art in heaven,

be thy name. Thresasses forive against us. Give us Lord, give us the wisdom. Make the right decision for our toy andice for all. All right, we've only got four on the agenda, so hopefully this will go fairly Quick, for everybody's purpose, the first one on the agenda is a 316 Carol, Mr. John Chamberlain in addition to the back of the house. Uh, we're going to go over it and if we have questions, we'll ask you, sir. You got a pretty good presentation here. You got the drawings, got what we need. So,

uh, I know Dave, you've had a chance to look at it. I've looked at it. depend on it was this is an addition. Yeah, this is an addition to the rear of the existing house. The roof and siding per the drawings is to match the existing windows if you add any uh be four over four or six over six and you're aware they need to be SDL with the with the raised mull on the outside.

The raised mull that's Yeah. And and what what you have on the house I I quite honestly I should have noticed but I didn't. Well, you got some 60 over6 it looks like.

Okay. You you plan on swapping out windows or just reusing the ones you got? Because I think you're already aware, you know, if you have if you have divided windows, we don't want to mismatch, you know. Okay. Very good.

Yes, they look like woodwind. Yeah, we want consistency. You got six over six or four. They should all generally be Unless you got some odd things there visible from the street. Yeah. Yeah. Uh you have also in there that and I want to confirm this uh you use wood sighting

that I ask Dutch lap wood sightings. You don't you don't you don't cross that on a regular basis. Okay. You want some? That's the only comments or questions I had. I've looked at the drawing when you were talking to D. You got some significant roof ridges change.

Lots of places for water to go in. All right.

First time I'm looking at Okay, we'll let Mr. Bazoo take time to look through it. So, your dish is going to have the bricks like you got on there. Okay. Okay.

Are you good? Wait. Are you good? I'm good. I move make a motion to accept as submitted. I have a motion by Mr. Patty Keing uh to approve as submitted. I have a second by Dave Wesinger like to vote motion. I I pass 4. Thank you, sir. Thank you.

Having a package with all the details makes makes it feel good. All right. The second uh item today is be a motion to replace five non- workinging windows with vinyl white exterior vinyl single hung at 209 deodin Gunderson. Okay. Yeah, because

what do you want to replace all the windows from some of them do not replace all the windows with impact rate windows that are clear? She wants one. Yeah, because that that you got the request was for five and there's either there's either four or or big ones and two little ones or six big ones and two little ones. There's actually 12 on this side. Do this face and then the next phase do the other side of it and replace all that. All right. Her husband's in the nursing home and she doesn't want to take care of the whole house.

So, what I'm going to ask is that you step forward and kind of on this photograph which is, you know, this is where there's there's four big ones, two little ones, and then there's a side portrait. There's two big ones. This is screen. Okay. But that that's facing the road. See, because the thing said was on the east side of the house. This is the east side coming down the side. There are four down there.

Let me draw this if we can. Here's the porch. The side of the house is the front porch right here. I don't know that. Yeah, you draw it. Turn around. Yes, sir. You can draw. Show me which windows because I saw five windows and there's no way you could do five windows and be consistent. It it's porch.

This is right here. That's the east side. This is the west side. This is the west side. This is the east side facing the

Yeah. They got four big ones and then two little ones, don't Yes. Yes. This one is the same. That's the little bitty ones there. There. Two little bitty ones. Okay. And then you got four big which ones do you plan on replacing? So it's not just five windows. Okay. That's that's a whole different ball game. That's actually better. You got two. Six. That's eight. And there's six over six right here. They're six over six now. But they all going the one over one.

What's in that packet there? This is the rating. How many are left that are not

Yeah. And I'll talk to her about that bedroom. Actually, she's staying in this bedroom now. Like I said, her husband's in the nursing home. not just all the granite counter tops while we're doing I can tell you that we need that way on that wall they're consistent

and though I don't like the idea that one's that tight You might consider letting her not change this one, but the ones on on the wall that children change. I mean, you gonna be in there. Yeah, it's extra money. Oh, yeah. Oh, okay. Then that then I'm going to request that as part of this we we'll rewrite this request because the way your request is written is very fine.

So, we're going to replace the the windows along the front of the house with fronts on the mon and the and the windows along the east side along the to towards the back. Uh so it'll be a total of one, two, three, well 11 windows and we're going to one over one replacing the existing 606 one over one. I can tell you we don't like the one over ones, but if you're consistent, we'll probably want to change this uh request, sir.

That's on the east side. So I'm say replace all windows on front and east side of house. And you're going with one over one impact rated windows. Okay, let's a lot more easier to understand and which five you replace. discuss including amendment state that the future windows on the west side will be 101 future window replacements. will be 10. So, and I'm going also add a note here for this. This is a total of 11 windows right now.

We still have that correct. He said 12 at first and then you got you got three along the front, two on the porch and one outside the porch. And You got four and two little ones.

Yes. Yes. You've got shown here. One, two, three. Now that means the little ones are not getting replaced. Yeah, you got four on his wall. Okay, maybe that's what I'm thinking. Maybe I was thinking there's two. Well, then I will All right. Further discussion. All right. Let me get my paper out. All right. Uh motion by Mr. John Bazoo. accept.

You don't know when that's going to be. She's just Yeah, I'm a motion to replace the 11 windows along the front and east side of the house to one over one windows. Then future replacement along the west side to be one over one windows. Okay. I have a motion by Mr. John Bazoo. I need a second.

I have a second by Mr. Dave Wesinger.

No, I got Okay. He he pass. All right. Yes. Uh consistency was that I read that.

Thank you, sir. makes it a lot easier to Amy, you go up there. Uh, it's a brand new construction at the corner of Hancock and Citizen. Y'all get a chance to look at the drawing yet? No,

everything else right now. I'm sure a wood front door. But everything else. Yeah. The only thing I noticed, Amy, was that you know your side and rear yard setbacks particular to that accessory dwelling if it

we're going for the varianc.

Okay, that's what those big circles are. Okay. Small one. That would be the feel like

the only thing I can see now. I wanted to pull the house forward. Well, now I see why. No, the biggest oak tree up there looking on the left. Now, get them back. So, if I put the house back then I'm definitely feeling those, you know. Yeah. No matter where I Okay. Yeah. And that oak trees as you know lately. Yeah. But lately they become a hot topic. Yeah. But I'm like if I have seven, can I get a little bit of my

Okay. Is this the corner line? Corner. It's far. Yeah. I'm another one. The question I have is this. Uh, and Jeremy, you're going to have to answer this. I know I got I got an answer some somewhat of an answer about these ancillary structures that say guest cottage in them. It's a It's not an ancillary building per se. It's a It's a guest. Yes. Yes. No, I'm okay. I'm just I I have a personal reason for asking because, you know,

gone before, got rejected, then I had to change it from a guest cottage to just a freaking open storage shed. But I got that approved, but we're not building it anyway. Problem is is is I think the rules are changing and I want to make sure that that I'm not interpreted incorrectly. I'm sorry. When it's something that's a dwelling, it change. It's It's not the same as in building. That's correct. I know that. I mean, get across, but I can't get across.

Neither that of garage or Well, we need more parking.

There's covered parking. I have like a parking space and a half. You have a sight in front. There's like a You can't see the car I have in there, but there's golf in there. So, it's like Yeah. So, we're trying to get parking, you know. That's under line of that big it is. There's no way around. So your driveway is actually going to be on street. Correct.

The driveway is 8 foot 8 foot wide drive. No, I don't have a I mean, I don't have, but we're going to have a 12 section of that. You know, this is this is the classic and Amy, you more familiar with it than I am. the narrow long that the size and shape of the lot and the location of trees become significant issues.

Yeah, I mean what discussion Well, we're not we're not approving the guest cottage right now. The if if it's doing conceptually the conceptually you haven't come back. Well, it it would be

it's going to be match match the the house materials. elevation. Yeah, she the the guest we can't approve that she can build it, but if she builds that that cottage, right, the materials and we can't approve the placement of it, I guess, is what I'm trying to say. The cottage itself as drawn would meet a criteria, I do believe. Yeah. But I would want to know

because basically It's as drawn it would meet it. Obviously, and Amy know we're not She's got to get a side and rear yard and side yard. It's a slab elevation, right? Yeah.

You're going to have a You're not going to be able to turn your driveway. We do not perpendicular to a nice lot of footed lot. accept.

I second. Okay. A motion by Dave. The motion is to accept as submitted. Guest house. uh approved. You get

concept. Okay. I have a motion by Mr. Dave Westinger to accept as submitted conceptually approved the guest house if setback variances are approved. I have a second by Miss Patty.

I thank you Amy. Uh y'all meeting tomorrow night. Uh, that's Wednesday, isn't it? What time is it? Wednesday because I'm coming. Yeah, I'm coming for that.

No, no, I'm not. No, it's for one of the other one of the other things that's going on now. Uh, yeah. You got the one that Jim McFale's property, old Brrignat property now got being subdivided into three lots. Only reason I know is I read it in the paper and I'm tickled to death. I mean, they getting three big lots. That's what I like. No. Now, is that Are we not doing the PNZ ordinance at that point? No, I didn't think so. I thought we uh

uh where he didn't buy it. He owned a lot. All right, we got the fourth one. We had to install an ingground pool and a cabana in the backyard at 311 de Montulum. Uh,

that name's off me. And you look familiar. I don't Oh, okay. I Man, why does that guy look so familiar? Oh, okay. Yeah, you got extra help last time. I remember. All right. So, while we got photographs and a little bit of pool, tell us what you're going to do. Uh, basically just Put like a little cabana back there.

All right. Because we didn't have didn't have this ahead of time. I don't know what kind is your roof on the existing house shingles. It is. Okay. So, it's

that's the question I want to ask you. I have on yet to the house and I'm thinking about maybe I just want to know what what are y'all thought I think that the rule in in St. Louis, Hancock County, anything we have to have architectural sh not three tab. Okay. Architectural.

Oh yeah, I think I have one. It says three tab. Three tab shingles is they got to be architectural. Yeah, dimensional shingles. It's dimensional. Yeah. All right. But what you're asking is what how big of a deal is it if you want to go to metal? Yeah. Okay. Now, John and Dave, we've got a twoft fall over. How how wide is this building? Uh two foot over two foot over 14. Okay. You got you got

14. If it's metal, it's one and a half your minimum. I'm looking at your fall. You may need at that. But if you're thinking about putting metal on the I would I would metal, right? And that looks okay.

And I prefer that it would be it would be metal. long.

You put that on there. I mean, I mean, whatever y'all tell me. I mean, I put the nice metal on there. It's not I mean, just the regular, you know. Well, no. Old style corrugated fine. 5B crimp is fine. And and a low profile, what they call It's a called a golden panel. Golden panel. It's the low profile. The low profile, not the not the deep profile, but a little bit lower. Okay. Okay. Not commercial, not the commercial high profile like a butler building. It's the low profile. They call makes the panel, but so does. Yeah. It's it's referred to as low profile or panel. And I believe the rib is 3/4 of an inch. The standard panel is inch and a quart.

Right. Now, let me ask you this. If I decide I go with the metal and then I do the addition still okay with that. Yeah. Okay. So, we're going to look at dimensional shingles or metal for this shed. Now, uh what I'm I'm having a hard time. The door is a six panel sliding glass door. I assume if you wouldn't mind come forward. Are you garage door or sliding door? Numa door. The open. Yeah, those. Yeah, that's made in. Oh, yeah.

Oh, yeah. Those are nice. Oh, the Hawaii door. Oh, okay. Okay.

My last house. You be able you going to be able to get that impact rated? You going to be able to get those doors? Oh yeah. We win rated. They have those in Hawaii. Okay. Last time I went to Hawaii. I won't tell you where I had to stay. I never been. No, I wasn't at Pearl Harbor. I was up I was up on the side of all volcano in a in in an impact area for training. All right. Uh Two foot roof. Yeah. Two foot on that on that. You'd be better off with metal roof. Yeah. I'm saying

you can't put shingles because you cannot be 12. You're under that. You got to put a metal roof. That's There's no question about that. Unless you change the roof pitch. Okay. So, scratch that.

Your insurance company will be happier.

All right. Now, you show a little eyebrow. I'm going call eyebrow. What? That's just like a just cover. Just keep the rain because if I if I don't, you know, I'm going have a lot of splashback that rain. It's going to cause a lot of You put metal on it or what? Uh yeah, I can't put metal on that. Put something.

Okay. So make sure I understand if you have concrete floor, wooden frame, uh what sighting party

board and baton or just doesn't matter. horizontal horizontal. Okay.

Right now it's problem when I do that addition they don't want like four vinyl. So what I was going to do is more than like because it's going to be on that side vinyl front probably going to change front as well. If not I mean I'm going to do that party and then I want I want it look I want it to look better than what y'all want to look like. So I want to party and change party time only got one side. All right. So, what I'm I'm going to write the conditions here. Uh that we're going to say a metal roof

used cabana and that'll be uh and I'll just write it on here. You won't see this. uh it be low low profile R panel the oldfashioned corrugated you know the one that everybody thinks about or the V 5V crimp which is flat get the little crimp on those corrugated and 5V crimp are much more traditional quite honestly but John you tell them I think they're more expensive that true not not much or difference is you can do the standing seam which is more expens is more expensive

standing seam more expensive What's the pen where it's flat and you have that one proof that raised proof? Yes. It has like one R and and they're they're touting what it's great for is that you have no no penetrations and true standing seam. That's true. The what they typically sell is what they call snap and lock which is you know it snap snap it together top you know it holds together. The standing seam has that machine that goes down and crimps it. type of

Yeah, I will print low profile. I don't want to limit the golden panel because Bill is fly as well. They got their own Okay. Metal roof to be using cabana. And then we said u horizontal

party horizontal lapsiding party lap side. You have need a motion with these conditions.

I have a motion by Mr. Dave Westinger to approve with the conditions that the roof on the cabana be a metal roof approved metal corugated by V crimp or low profile and that the hardy sight lap sighting that the sighting be a hardy lap site horizontal lap sorry uh do we need any other conditions everything else is otherwise as submitted I have a motion by Dave Wessinger second by Mr. John Bazoo like to vote the motion. I thank you sir.

Thank you. Fences on hand down all that vinyl. We would approve this last month. cabinet shop.

Yes. Right across from the old school. right there. Oh, that one. It just showed up one day.

To the left of the shop. It's the It's a house that we approved the renovations on and got and finally sold it. And they exceeded their when they renovations they did. Okay. We got uh Did anybody get a chance to look at the minutes? Yeah.

Let me ask you a question. Did those people get the override on this? It never went to city council.

City Chris out of charact Oh yeah. No, we

I mean we approved but we I thought we approved they they just didn't didn't vote. Yes. That guy laughed that guy because they had to come in and tell us what they're going to do with it. That's what And then then he came back came back and did not piece of anything. The only thing they did roof off

every so many good stuff in there. I thought they were keep more of It could be a planter. If they created a plant and put plants in and created a fence, I would think that that might be a solution. Or it's a retaining one. Who was the retaining one?

Wait, which one we talking about? The the school or the street. Switch from one to the other. Yeah, I can tell. Okay. All right. Where are the school? It's just a big knock down. We gave them the approval to do the asbesus abatement first and then they had to bring back the what they were going to do in the future. This is about the school. What they would do in the future. Oh yeah, they came back. They're going to put They're going to put a

Yeah. No, they didn't come back what the building's going to look like. No. But what was the eventual use? Yes, it's going to be parking and or driveway for a while and then eventually change. They're gonna they're going to take away one street over there. I got then on Washington Street uh with the little brick wall. Yes. I I was aware I was actually surprised. I went to the last city council meeting. It was not on the agenda. Okay.

Yeah. And we we told them you need to appeal this. I don't know. Uh I think you saw it where they want to I don't know who their city council person is. That's Kyle or it's Paul. But I I lately been going to more city council meetings, but somebody should grin. I heard, hey, I make them unhappy. Josh told me. Yeah, kind of aggravated. was just here.

Yeah. Okay. I see the writing on the wall. Make a motion to approve the second. Okay. I have a motion. Motion to approve by John Bazoo. Second by Miss Patty Keing. I

movement.

No, not from

get started on that. school across the street. What are you talking about?

Oh, okay. Trying to sell that one, too.

All right. Any further business? Oh yeah.

Yeah. because our our house is on the street and whenever they're showing our house it looks like an up. plywood. Alternate plywood. I mean it's

a million worth a lot of money just like that. So it's actually back when she had that whole thing. Mr.

People across the street. They are you know you