Planning Commission - Regular Meeting

All right. Good afternoon and welcome to the town of Aber Leville regular planning commission meeting. Today is May 18th, 2026 at 6:30 p.m. at Town Hall Complex at 120B West Church Street. Go ahead and call to order and do a roll call. All right, roll call. District one, Laurel Gillespie. I'm here. District two, Shawn Bryant. Here. District three, Geraldine Bowers. Here. District four, Ljarn Williams. No. At large, Rachel Taylor. District five, Kevin Duggins.

Here. District six, Riley Adams. District seven, Bart Cotch here. And District 8, Johnny May Lemon here. and zoning administrator Becky Banks and Amanda. That's nice. All right. Now that roll call's done. We have the first item on the agenda is approval of minutes from the April 20th, 2026 regular planning commission meeting. Do I have a I ain't got a motion to approve. Motion to approve. I printed mine out. Do I have a second? Second. All right. Go ahead. Any discussion on it? No, I got one. No discussion. All right. District one. Yes. District three.

Yes. District five. Four. What? What are you Kevin? Four. I'm five. Five. Okay. Yeah, I was right. My bad. District five. Yes. Seist district seven. How do you vote? Yes. Okay. District eight. Yes. Here. District here. Johnny. And district two votes yes. Motion carries. All right, new business. The approval of proposed amendments to residential R2 ordinances in regards to setbacks and adding definition and verbiage for tiny homes. Do I have a motion to approve?

Motion to approve district. Second. Any discussion on it? Seeing no discussion, we'll go ahead and Bart was a second on the on this one. Okay. Uh, since no discussion, we'll go ahead and vote. District one, District One votes yes. District five, yes. District seven, district, yes. District eight,

yes. All right, we do have an extra one on here. Uh we're going to where we're going to have to add it. So the since we're missing so many people, um we're going to do the Okay. Oh, I'm sorry. Did you Did I not ask you? No.

I'm sorry. I'm still waking up. I apologize. I'm working at night. Okay. So, district Thank you. I appreciate district three. How do you vote on that? Uh, okay. And district two votes yes as well. Sorry. All right. So, we're going to take the work session uh item B, C, and D off of ours that was originally scheduled. Um, can I get a motion to move it to next month's meeting? I'll make a mo a motion. All right. Second. Okay. All right. Any discussion on it? Nope. Seeing none, just go ahead and vote. District one votes yes.

District three, yes. District five, yes. District seven, yes. District eight, yes. And district two votes yes. So, do I have a motion to adjurnn? Motion to Motion to adjurnn. Second. Second. Discussion. Seeing none, go ahead and vote. District one, yes. District three, yes. District five, yes. District seven, yes. District eight, yes. And district two votes yes. Motion carries. All right. We'll move into the work session then.

Okay. We can turn off the mics for now. Do we need to cut these off now?

same date, May 18th, 2026. It is now 6:40 here at Town Hall Complex at 12B West Church Street. We're going to move into a work session. Go ahead and call to order and do roll call. You want to do roll call again? Okay. It's It's on the agenda, sir. All right. So, district one, Laurel Gillespie. Thank you. District two, Sean Bryant here. District three, Geraldine Bowers here. District four, Ljerna Williams at large, Rachel Taylor. District five, Kevin Dugens here. District six, Riley Adams. District seven, Bart Cotch here.

District eight, Johnny May Lemon here. zoning administrator Becky Banks. Thank you. All right, we'll go ahead and since we moved everything else, we'll go ahead and do the new business for Greg Sprouse from COG as long Well, I'm sure you have a couple other people with you or I see you have a couple other people with you that can answer possible questions that we have.

Yeah. So, thank you all for having us again. Uh we are getting close to the completing the comprehensive plan update. I think you all have seen drafts of most of the elements. The the only one that we are still finalizing is the land use element. And if you all remember when we talked about all the different requirements, the one of the key components of the land use element is developing a future land use map. So that's supposed to represent the vision for the town into the future and set the stage for thinking about uh any changes that may need to occur in your in your zoning ordinance. So it's it's a generalized map that sort of represents the vision for the future and we've we've basically mocked one up have it uh pretty much complete. There's there's two versions over here uh with very slight variation, but our goal tonight was to uh get you all input on what we've got so far, see if there's any comments or concerns, and if you all are good with it, we're prepared to take take back any comments, make some final edits, and then uh we've got the the draft of the land use element uh complete except for this portion of it. So then we can give that back to you all and hopefully be on the road to uh giving you a full draft of the document so that we can work on getting the recommendation together to go towards council. So uh to that end want to reintroduce if you all remember Sedan Barney who is a planner at the the cog that works with me and Phil Lindler um who is the the those two combined are the the ones who've been doing all the

bulk of the work on this for you. And so we'll I guess one of the things we wanted to do before we look at the maps was just tell you about the land use categories that we have that you'll see on the map. So we we've created these generalized land use categories that are reflected spatially on the map of the town. Um the f the main the first one is the downtown core. And so this represents the historic heart of the Batesburg and Leville districts. This is your your central business district for each of the communities. Uh and the idea is that that's that with that designation, we want to preserve what is there and help encourage the the same types of of historic mixed use commercial types of of uses that that have been there for all these years and and really foster revitalization of those downtown cores. And then we have civic and institutional service. So this is largely the the public civic and community serving uses that support the community. So uh churches, anything that is owned by the town, the school district, uh all of those types of activities. So any any land that is publicly owned or owned by even a private institution like the power company that we know that that land use is not going to change. It's there to serve the community and it it it'll be the same color and designation as it is in perpetuity. And then we have a commercial and activity corridor. So this is that that's one of the unique things about Batesburg Leville is you've got the two historic commercial central business districts and then you've got the corridors that connect the two that have largely been dominated by uh commercial uses. And so the this the idea behind this category is that it

will preserve those those uses and encourage similar types of uses uh into the future. And then employment industrial centers. So these are the what you have in your zoning ordinance and on the existing land use that are you think of as a as industrial or warehousing those types of uses. But it also doesn't have to be limited to that. So, this future land use category and correct me if I'm wrong, Bill said it, but it is designed to be uh pro try to promote those uses into the future, but also offer some flexibility in uh and being able to kind of um maybe diversify that in some sense, but but still be concentrated on on light industrial and those similar types of commercial uses. But then some of the things that are a little bit different than what you're used to seeing is the mixeduse connection and mixed residential. So mixed use is intended to be a mixeduse district. So this could be anything um that that could incorporate residential, commercial, uh office or business type of use. So this this would complement kind of like the historic downtown core and and surrounding areas. And then mixed residential is a residential category that's designed to u allow a diversity of of housing types. So um these are the areas where you could accommodate um higher densities or different types of of residential uses beyond just single family residential. And then we've got neighborhood preservation and infill. So this is designed to really reflect uh the existing neighborhoods that are there. the predominant single family residential areas. And the idea behind this is at e we want to promote infill development and encouraging

this to perpetuate single family residential uses in those areas. But we want that residential activity, new residential activity that goes in there to really complement and support preserving the character of the existing neighborhoods. And then we have parks, recreation, and conservation. And that's self-explanatory. That's your parks and recreation areas and any type of open uh undeveloped land use that could should be preserved um for whatever reason. And then the last one we have on there is a multi-use pathway. So this is designed to promote uh bike and pedestrian connectivity within the community and to link the public institutional and park and and recreation features that are are within the town. What was that last one again?

Multi-use pathway. So, it's it's almost like think of as kind of a trail connections um between the different activity centers. And the the the primary sort of way to think about this is if if you all remember the um bike and pedestrian study that we did years ago in the town and the the community master plan that identified um potentially developing some kind of multi-use pathway or greenway that connected the two central business districts of Paceburg and so we want to make sure that that is is continued to be continues to be reflected on the map into the future so that as opportunities to develop that out about that it's already on the map and it's something that that can reflect that long-term uh strategic vision for the community. So those are those are the primary categories and we do have the handout. Should you all pass them out already?

I've just got so that way you have one. So on on this handout there's uh it gives you shows you the categories but also gives you a narrative description about them.

Okay.

Should we hang on to some of those for our missing members? How do I end up with two? I will I will say too, I don't want to by any means try to send this up or approve any of this without council's input. So, you know, do ours and then obviously let council do theirs. Yeah, Gregory can explain the whole process. I mean, it definitely will go to council. We'll have public input as well. Okay. That's what I want to make sure that I that be that make sense.

Well, and I think Gregory can certainly explain better, but this is a planning commission function that is y'all. It helps y'all first and then y'all are making suggestions and moving some ideas forward. Yeah, the it's the planning commission's responsibility to develop the plan and recommend it to council. So, it will go before council. Well, I was just saying I'd like to have council's opinion before we recommend. Does that make sense? Like I'd rather have especially council's opinion on some of this stuff as well on on what we're trying to That's a good point. figure out once you send it up though, they can send it back.

They can. They can. But if if we can circumvent that by going ahead and saying, "Hey, peer council, I need y'all can y'all look at this. Can you tell me what what y'all think? if there's anything y'all see or anything like that and we can come back and obviously discuss it and put it on there and then obviously we'll have the public hearing and stuff like that for it as well. But well, there's a public input session that will be what Gregory and I were talking about earlier probably part of a planning commission meeting for the public to come and have input. They can make suggestions and recommendations and changes and have those ideas come to kind of like we did the safe streets. Well, that so that Yeah, that would be

in addition to the public hearing, right? If we hearing is part of that second reading, final approved. Yeah. Yeah. This is just a So, you were you were saying potentially have a public I thought he talked about planning commission having a meeting or having public or having a public session. Not a hearing. Not it's not a hearing. No, it's just a Yeah, kind of like this but with open to the public so we can get feedback from the public. completely off base. No, we you you can definitely do that. Okay. Yeah, that's that's um a good thing if that's what the town would like to do. And I think that

I think so. I I mean, I don't know about y'all, but I think public input and the council input before we even I mean, we can obviously do what we think is appropriate, but then at the same time get their input, public and the council, so that way we're not fighting you know, we're just getting it where we want it the whole as a town and then we can move forward and won't be that bad. I don't I think it'd be easier that way questions can be answered and everybody will see it before before anything that make sense. Sound like plan. Sorry.

That's all right. Well, so I mean we do want to get like to to even get to the point to have something to present to the public and the council. Uh we would we would the point of the meeting tonight was to show you all what we had and kind of look at get you all's thoughts on it. Um so if we can look at the map if you all want to gather around but before we do that. Somebody turn that around. Yeah, you're taking around.

And I would just add that the two scenarios that we've um developed for you um that is based on your current and existing land use pattern for the town and we've also looked at your zoning ordinance and your zoning map and combined those together to identify what could go on a lot of these properties. We do want to make wholesale changes um to the development pattern, but we also wanted to make some recommendations for a lot of the vacant property that you have um in coordination with your existing zoning. So, if there are any things that you know of that are maybe hot button uh topics or parts of the community where you see a different vision, we need to note that um within the map to to make sure that we capture that and make the map um fit your vision for what the community should be in the future.

Yeah. So this is the this is the existing land use and then these are the future future land use scenarios which they're basically identical except we're trying to so this this shows you the the existing municipal limits as as of um when we put this together anytime there may be annexations we don't have incorporated on there but um the future land use map also kind of brings in a few areas that are not currently part of the town. Uh but maybe at some point in the future through annexation. So you want to get some forethought to what how that would fit in if it were to be annexed at some point to be able to have something ready to help guide the how that zone what that zoning designation would look like. So this the the yellow is that um neighborhood preservation and infill. So those are your your predominantly predominant existing residential single family residential areas. The mixed residential is the the orang-ish color and then the downtown core you can recognize.

Yeah. And then the commercial at quarter that kind of links the two is the red and then let's see mixed use is is the pink in between and then mixed residential kind of on the periphery. So

which blue? Yeah. Yeah, that's the this green green line. So kind of running down connecting the two historic corridors and then trying to think strategically about how to make sure that there is good bike and pedestrian connectivity from that corridor going out into other park and recreation areas or public or institutional areas. actually

is this kind of play the same part that was incorporated. This is identical. Yes. Well, not really. There was a tweak. So, this was I think they had shown this is more industrial here and not so much here. What we talked about was this already is owned by JP Martin. So, we went ahead and have them shave that in. Okay. Okay. This one we talked about there are residential properties here that They could they could be parcled out. Oh yeah.

And that that was one of the primary things we needed to put on was are you all comfortable with kind of having all of this as as that employment and industrial sector category.

Council members That's what we were. So, we know there's some residential there that keep yellow. Um, and Jay was saying that this property here is already owned by KB. So that that would likely be likely purple.

I think that's kind of just R1, R2, R3. Okay. They're not it's not like a mixed use.

I think it's artists. I like That that's what Phil was saying is we use this as a guide not to deviate from it too much. Yeah,

a lot of towns are doing mixeduse brings people back into the core makes the town safe. Well, and I like

Well, and you know, if you're looking at it, the pink is not the historic downtown. That's going to be more burgundy colors. um the downtown cores and but these are there's the Miltown is historic and it should be if it's not designated it should be yeah it is not designated it should be designated as historic district most towns have their own village and it doesn't mean they can't do anything do whatever they want that's my it's has a submit. Okay.

I had to study it when I did my house. The only thing is if you apply if you apply to be a is it be designated right and you change the facade then they take your away from you. That should happen a lot. Yeah. You're not supposed to change the facade. You do whatever you want inside. Not the facial. Not the face. It's heavy on literally this is my morning. This is this is my morning. Like I'm going to work after this. So this is my morning.

You got to have a big cup of coffee in the morning. That's just and one thing I did want to note um they did identify a few areas that are out of town just you know potential growth I know like that property we just annexed in right here too but I mean I know it's up to date from it's not because this literally just happened last month so it hasn't even got reading Right. Not done yet. Where's the line? Did we just expand with it? Yeah. This does not have

So, there should be a pocket here. Then they started working. No session passing the second reading tattoo are done within R1. So the definitions hopefully the attorney has enough time to get everything written. tiny homes, mobile homes, manufactured homes, and modular homes. All those

make myself an email. Yes. Yes. it. Exactly. Yeah.

I like it.

Your money's worth to me, too. Yeah. Anytime I find anything I'll pass it on.

I have all of that22. Um, they digitized, get it scanned. How big is it? Is it bigger than It's huge. That's why I don't have it framed out yet. It's just wrapped in plastic and it is slow. The plastic's eating. Have you thought about getting museum? Oh, okay. They auctioned it off. It wasn't. Can you believe that? It wasn't old enough. Probably

they'll be buying it back in 20 years or so. But you can go to the historic map if you can see and it's in their map. I thought that I should donate it to the town. The town would hang on top of How big do you think it is? Easily. We get a frame hanging in here. We we're getting a a zoning map updated the updated zoning map that just came tonight. Be cool in here, wouldn't it? We get a we get a frame. All right. And then

yeah, right here. I'm not sure what you were talking about. I have 192

building piece of history. The definitions are going to be modular and should all be so that way they can go into the they can be incorporated into everything that we've done so far. Just as a top citizen sometime on one of our agendas we have got to do the um auxiliary good we have to have a nice

we we have lots of discussions I can I promise you I mean when David Baltight asked me to be on planning commission he's like don't worry we we don't meet but every four times a year maybe it was true since since I started we actually have more meetings December we've had I think we've only missed four or five because we didn't have them in January or February. No, December and January. We didn't have those two two other months that first year we didn't have anything. But one of them we we weren't supposed to have a meeting. We decided to have

correct a Yeah. Yeah. So yeah, we've had a meeting every month since I started basically since I started. So I got a lot but then again everything started coming

there's no way not

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And that's what we could even keep that conversation I swear I go through. Yeah. I was trying to figure it. I was like, I know. I know.

That's where I actually wash your cars there. This used to be. So this is the railroad next to the next. propert.

Oh, yeah. Because they would do you they jump on the train and go to different locations to sort the mail. He's got his It's the silver lady. Charleston.

Yeah. when I was

he had like I don't know. I just Are you sure?

Are you sure? property. The other part was three garbage truck. Just like all Thank you.

Yes. Okay.

Okay. category. There's so many pain that it hadn't certified from that depression and that type of glass. She identified perhaps you know anything that looks off to you

almost like the humanity for habitat. anything. concerns about

this is actually one thing you'll determine which house

do you have copy couple and there's now because that would give you flexibility for looked like they changed All of this right here.

Can I speak to you, ma'am? Yes, sir. I finally got that thing disgusting, man. And I went back to get on the rest of it and I couldn't get on it. Can you do it here? Um, probably make it work here. Um, did you give me the name of the Eureka Floyd lady? Yeah, she she taught my wife. I'm 72 years ago. Please. We didn't have no computers. Listen, I ain't too far behind. I'm going to be 50 coming up here pretty soon. So, you don't look like you're 50. That's fine.

No, thank you. That's the electronic stuff gets me too much weekend. I love it. All I do is sign trucks. That's a good part.

Y'all show it. Do it to me or whatever. How long int. But I have it on my wheel, but some people like to do all six hours at one time. Whatever your truck is, you let me know and I can make it work. And then if you have an afternoon that works for you this week or next week or whenever you let me know, I'll try to make sure Michael's here. Yeah. Okay. I'll probably do two.

But anyway, I'll I'll get in touch with you and I'll probably pick a date this week and maybe do two hours. Tomorrow afternoon, the only day I need I'll be out for an appointment the rest of the week. Okay, should be good to go.

I'll be here. I'll check. Make sure he's coming in. Yeah. See if he is and if so I can be here. I'll just come straight to work. I can I can do two hours and not just my wife around. You'll practice my classmates. Is that right? She is a mess. He was in first grade because you know you know what people told me when I married said okay big boy you done met your match I ain't lying that was a rough call and I'll eat okay I'll give you a call let me get your number that's 803

46 46 what 06 and see when he's free. If he's free, I want

some of those. That's right.

What do you think? See trouble. I ain't saying I'm working, but I

get off. She said I said with that many houses versus like commercial.

But this is Yeah, I just sit up little room.

Hey, I appreciate you doing that. I think it's interesting

when you go to where the new houses are built where um where Scott, who's the one that's on the corner that's doing a bed of breakfast? Her house is across the street from him on the corner. I don't know. They're doing a better breakfast. They're trying to tell them about breakfast. Yeah. She came for readings and Yeah. She used to have the um if you go into Ridgand, it was the barbecue place left. She's from here. Ridgeland like Madden.

I appreciate she had that barbecue place on the left. What kind of place? I can't think of it, but I

would hear ideas. I can't think of I'm trying to think

go straight down in the middle of town. Right. And we made those changes. So, we're good with that. It's almost like it looks like introduction and that book. It would just be a matter of doing the page that has I think I gave that of this area calculations which could be easily changed. She can give me that and I can finish that section. We're pretty much done with this besides, you know, just making last bit of changes to it and putting inserting the map in here.

We can put the whole document together and give it a bid. I remember two proving final maps. I remember um two people on that first place. It was the Anderson and then I think that scenario. So check and then have that hopefully big

I've done in the past is just take a map like that and split it into four sections. Put them together. Put them put all the tables together. People just come in and don't have any comments. Okay. We could not think of it. Everybody knew it. Couldn't remember it. And what's your name? They could easily do that themselves. They wouldn't necessarily certainly be your two first grade on the street. I said, you didn't say nothing.

No, I can't say a word. You've been good

couple of So this is 200 acres right here for sale that we're pretty sure

what are we going to do? Um I I thought I went to my neighbor's house because I was just curious and hers was the same way. I took pictures of mine. Okay. And um she said, "Well, look at your camera." And like it has to be cuz we had been on our streets and I think he I think it's getting red, but it's not getting red. So let what before I throw anybody under the bus, let us come out and look at it. Let me

Let me tell you, we had to take a crowbar and um move the debris move to get the top up off of it and the debris was about I got pictures I can show you about and then I did not I was like okay so we went my neighbors looked at hers the same way it's not getting ready he's not even coming out there we address 320 um he's not he because I look to see if you see so and So, I'm always going to say before we throw 100 plus the same thing on the job, which is powerful, let's let's look at it. Um,

cuz you're obviously paying for water and and you're getting build for certain Okay. Can you tell what can you explain this to me? I'm going to grab my phone and show it to you. It's crazy. The center fit property. Yes. Well, it's Kathy Cla and my dad report. They were center fits. They're both married. They were center. So it's a center fit property. Kathy Clicker is just Yeah. Yeah. If you say click a property, nobody's going to know what you're talking about. Center property. That's what I You just know Kathy cuz she's loud. But um

Yeah. across from that. No, that's just school property. They just they won't get rid of it. They talked about they they haven't come off of it yet. Well, actually, so do you have a copy of your bill or do you do the express bill pay cuz with having the picture cuz it will show what the reading is on your bill if you're able to pull it up.

I will. I will cuz I think we took a p we took a

No, you can't see that. But like this. He literally had to take a crowbar. All of that was um all of that was vines with the the grass vines had locked it in and literally and we were just going out there um because um we were trying to he was trying to make sure that my storage shed water was off. And I said, then he said, "Girl," he said, "Look at this thing." And I was like, and he he, you know, he tried. He said,

"Get something out." He said, "I can't even He said, "I can't even pull it up." It's 320, but I put in my camera. So, I went back three months. I saw somebody. Well, now I I know that I don't know if it goes all the way. And I don't know how sensitive your cameras are. Didn't pick up nobody either. But do you get all the cars going up all the way picking all that up? Yeah. The the thing that got me was is that um before when I looked at hers, the outside of it looked just like mine. See right there? Yeah.

Yeah. But um the debris on the inside of that I mean you didn't cover up to me. I mean the thing you can't see nothing. I mean that literally I'll show it to you like when he get those numbers because hers looked the same way. It it was it was it it it was I'll put it like this. What was the date on that? That was March 31st.

Yeah. Um, so again, I don't want to I don't want to go to my employee under the bus without without doing my investigation. Now, there's they should are you throwing me that out with paper cleaner space, but I know that Lawrence is notorious for not cleaning out and a lot of times he'll just have like a wiped off spot where you can read that. Yes. Well, it looks like it was closed and and it got flipped open. So, um What do you mean clos

So, you can see cover them. Right. Right. Right. Yeah. Family camp. Yeah. We hadn't done any of that. So, we weren't exactly outdoorsman. We're not too good. Um, do you have express bill pay? Are you able to pull your bill up on your phone?

I do have it. Um cuz what I do encourage people do uh to do is if you get your zoom um it will have a date when the meter was read and what that reading is. Now it it's not going to show that 170 at the end. That thing although pay I don't even know what that Well I'm guilty of that too. Yeah. All right. So I was trying it should I should get um express bill pay. Yeah. X P R E S express. Okay.

Um so on your bill it has like the date it was read and then what the reading is. So in your case which one is that? I was probably pretty soon. You looked at it on March 30. Either way, you should be able to Okay. It should be close. Yeah. Cuz he he probably didn't read it on the 31st because we're not using.

So, what you're looking at here, if I'm not mistaken, is the 170 is 170 gallons. It's a recharge per thousand. So, your bill would say 703 or 702. It's just like We're not we're not paying attention until that that number. True. So, can you log in to your cuz I don't think it shows. So, you got to go to go to the town. There should be a link. There should have been a link in that email. So, like Yep. Yep. That's it. This is the

you let me everything in my phone. I had to put the password. Where are you getting?

That's what I just got. All right. So, what it's saying here, the previous date was it was read on March 12th, so 3 weeks before. Okay. And it said 702 was the reading. So, here you had 703. So, I think he's it's consistent. Um, okay. Actually, 703 was the current reading. So, he was he had the same reason, right?

So, I mean, It looks bad. I don't disagree with you, but the number is spot on. It's spot on. So, I mean, now I'm I'm the first one to No, no, no, no, no. I mean, it's But but are we good? Yeah. Yeah. Trust me, you would know. Yeah. I mean, yeah, but it it is it's spot on. And so if you ever feel like something was wrong, you can always look at that number and go pop it up just like you did and and kind of verify. Do the same thing. But yeah, so Okay. Well, yeah. And so

um you know, we've had people that have questioned before and I tell them that and and I've gone out with them and I I'll go there was a gentleman over on Well Street one time. Um Major Yeah. Yeah. Oh, major win. And I'm like, I was like, I bet you a dollar. It's right. He goes, "All right, you're on." So, we go over there and had sand all in it cuz a sandy driveway and it'll wash in and so it was spot on. He goes, "All right, I need a dollar." I'm like, "We good." I'm glad to read it because like I said, that don't look it doesn't look good. I don't disagree with it, but but at least the number is right.

Just went up and lifted up a corner and looked at it. But there's there I think sometimes they don't they do that little grocery shop there and then it's just a very it's just a very she owns that parcel across the street. So I guess they just Yeah, that was a few years ago and I'm home now. That's you retired already. I mean

that's what I did. So, so I retired, went home for a year and a half and came about working. I said, "I got to go back to work." And she's wanting to retire. She's she's 60. Yeah. And uh I'm going to retire. She still say, "Honey, you going to lose a lot of money. I don't care.

I mean, I can I can um It's so much, you know, I have some things that were totally different, but this thing that was kicking tail. Oh, I want it. Look at that. I'm on a ride in my back and I've had it since 201. Absolutely. Yeah. I just can't do it. I got a few going to be popping out four or five 600 shirts and you know we ready to go but y you had a place on I think I went there one time and got some

I think but yeah I'm just matter of fact you had you had lay on right uh I actually I brought 10 years long that I went from that just doing spines and shirts cuz ain't nobody embroidery. I say really for um uh what's the man name? I I did his shirt for his business. I don't

and it's a lot of work, but I continue to do it just for him. You know what? I sing at a lot of funerals in the funeral home. And he said, "You don't sing in mine." I said, "What?" He said, "I want you to sing. I did it my way." I said, "By Elvis." He said, "Yep." And you know what? Yeah. Man, we have great relationship. I mean, Kim was oneow to the commercial, but yet I I told I can come in and do anything with the love

the way it is right now. It wasn't it wasn't hard for me. He kept saying you got to keep doing it. He was a good but he was a great guy and his granddaughter so that's controvers I had a problem with somebody like on that last now what is the

saying you know certain things you want and I thought your your grandfather was hands on with stuff like that you know so me and him had that kind of relationship where it was touched and detailed um and I I actually um you know he everything on it you know if you ever seen it even got hedges on there yeah he but he wanted everything on there but I was glad that

my sister does that.

Hey, you know what? You can always go back. No, I'm do it. But if I do not take it away, it doesn't take it away. It ain't going away. I'm like, no. It makes um really what happens though. Well, stop. So, I had to take some time off.

And then when Helina came to the where like pulling the bone that the rod, it was shifting and I thought it was loose and and she kept saying, "Are you sure it's not what you're doing?" So, stop doing it. And I haven't been I didn't stop, but when I passed out driving, I had to take that time off. I stopped and it did go back in place.

So, cuz I could just I could feel it moving. But now I don't feel it anymore. It just went on back in place. But cuz she said the rod ain't going nowhere. So, but you know the older we getting the more brittle our bones get I told I told a friend of mine I said I wish I played the high school band football and baseball I messed up my knees I can't play basketball and softball I don't care what nobody say it'll work on you after you get old

it will I was talking to before I got here and she said there's like a million of them running around. I'd like for

Well, we have chocolate. I'm going to look him up. I got that card I can buy. Each month with my insurance. I got um what you call it? That's some spending cards. Yeah. Like Yeah. You can get them on. Yeah. Sometimes uh sometimes you have them They sell them in stores, but I get them from uh I get them from Walmart online and they they know

at Amazon

Arizona that is the only one that price. The green tea was 12 and just the regular green tea, the diet green tea was 12. The regular I think was the same thing. No, the the regular See, it's 629, but I'd rather the lemon tea was 129.

Sweet tea was 1239. But I like that because it's crazy how crazy. Is everybody everybody good? Everybody got all their thoughts and ideas and

everything out? All right, cool. Um, comfortable with that one. Which the one um west of town? That one that's commercial residential. I almost think you should leave it and if that ever comes up then we vote because no matter what you're not no matter this is planning my understanding is we really can't see the future and there's always going to be something that comes up which talking about on Broad Street. We got to go into town.

I know. So it' be on this end. Three or one? Bethlehem Road. West. Yeah. Going east. East. Going east. Oh. Oh. East. Okay.

Yeah. This This is the only one I feel weird about. Yeah. We We're We're going to Well, that's what So, we are going to do We're going to keep it residential here, but then just make that industrial. Okay. And again and just to clarify to you, it's it's not industrial in the sense of what what most people associate it's a employment in industrial centers. So it it can be it's just meant to be kind of a me council council see this and go for me. All right. Well, thank co thank you cog for coming out and putting up with us. We appreciate it. Uh do I have a motion to adjourn? I make a motion.

All right, Bart makes a motion. Do I have a second? Kevin seconds. We're just going to say all those in favor. I motion passes. We are adjourned. Everybody have a great night. Get out of here.