Vob Committee & Council - Regular Meeting

Are we on, Brian? All right. Huh? Oh, yeah. Yeah, cuz they're having a special. All right, Miss Schoffner, whenever you're ready. Brian, you're ready? Mhm. All righty, kid. Uh, I am going to call rules committee to order at 6:01 p.m. on March 23rd. Can I have a roll call, please? Brian Schoffner here. Carol

McClean. Uh, also in attendance we have fiscal officer Brian Bibler, VA Matt Nyheiser, uh, police chief Brett Rogers, village solicitor Jeff Fo, Mayor Ellis, and council members Bar Phillips, Rick Foreman, and Brandy. Um, God, I can't. Yeah. Oh my god, I have terrible laughs. Um, okay. Do I have a um motion to approve the minutes for of the February 9th meeting?

Uh, yeah, I'll make approve the minutes of the February 9th meeting. I'll second it. I'll second it. Uh, roll call. McClean, yes. Schaer, yes. Carol, yes. visitors. Any visitors have anything for rules committee? Okay. Um, I'm going to skip down the whole business. So Jeff Feo, it looks like the my understanding of this comparison of the um zoning code situation. You're researching those and just

I've done a memo which has proposed legislation for the majority of those topics. There are a couple others I'm still researching, but I I intend to prepare legislation for those also. So, those ordinances include There's a lot of paper in here, too.

Oh, yeah. Or amending uh section 618 animals of the codified ordinance. There was um discrepancies between the hunting and housing or keeping livestock in in our ordinance apparently. Ordinance to amend chapter 104 uh to delete the chapter on trees. Ordinance to amend chapter 12. Do do we have to do we have to do all these individually to take it to council or can we just do them all? You can do it collectively except that I recommend having separate pieces of legislation for those. Oh, yeah. That's fine. All right. Does

Yeah, but everybody can read it. Did everybody have a chance to take a look at these changes or the kind of resolution more than anything? If I can add, they're pretty straightforward. Yeah, I was going to say it's pretty easy to can't have a cow. What we we what we need is a motion to send uh

Oh, they're draft ordinances. Okay. So, they don't have numbers to send them to council for review. Yeah, I move to send ordinance unless I should I should have said is there any discussion about any of these? I mean, does any havebody have It's like you said, though. I think they're pretty strange issues. Okay. Then you So, you made the motion. You made the motion. He made the motion. I'll second it. And he's Is he sponsoring? He If you make a motion, you're sponsoring. You would have to sponsor. Yeah.

Okay. Mane. Mlean. Oh, I'm sorry. Discussion. I'm always in discussion. It kind of went out of order. That's I believe that's only in council, I believe. But if you can, you're more than welcome to. No, I mean I think it's great. Yeah. Cleans it up. Clarifying it. And uh I don't have anything else to say. So yes, we're in now. McClean Schaer. Yes. Carol.

All right. And then the propos there's a proposal to amend chapter 804. Phil, do you want to um talk about that?

Uh yes. Um this was something that came up back in January. Um the village posted something to Facebook about solicitors. Um and so there was some reaction on both sides of it. So, I wanted to maybe clarify what our ordinance uh says on that. And when I was going through it, I noticed something that kind of conflicted with a US Supreme Court decision. So, basically, um in the legislative review packet that I sent out, um it kind of gives you all of the a summary of the issue and then the vulnerabilities and then what we can do to fix it or we could do nothing and just not enforce it the way that it is to protect ourselves from any litigation or anything like that. But um you know just to be very clear um you know anybody who I don't want to change anything that's you know uh a property owner's rights. So if they have a no trespassing sign then that has to be respected by everybody. Um but what it does is it allows first amendment speech you know somebody is uh basically doing anything with um political or religious or anything like that like they have that open invitation that anybody else would have until they're told otherwise. Um

can I can I ask you a question because I was a little confused by this. Are you saying that the Supreme Court has ruled that political canvasers are not or are solicitors? And if it says no, because I see where you because I've always been told a political canvaser is not a solicitor and if it says no soliciting, it's still okay to go to their door because um you're not selling anything. I can't I don't think that I don't see it that way, but Well, what what does the Supreme Court say? That's what I um I don't know that I'm qualified to to speak about, you know, exactly what

Okay. Well, that okay because that's what I I took it from your thing there that they are saying that that it's that it's the same as they would be solicitors but they wouldn't be the same category. So they would they would technically be solicitors but they would be protected they have protected first amendment rights amendment is intended for public space not private property yes we're talking about private property right so you can't violate first amendment when you're talking about private property

right so we can't tell them what not to say because we're the we're the government um so absolutely the property owner has every right to tell them to get off my property and that they have to leave. And so that's one of the things that the ordinance out it would become a legal issue at that point and could possibly be trespassing and you know if they refuse to leave but there's no there's no basic right here that we're protecting or violating when it applies property. That's not our call.

Right. And I agree with you. That's not what I'm trying to That's not what we're trying to do here. We're just trying to say that we um as the local government here can't tell someone what they can and can't say. The private property owner wants to do that. That's was well within their rights. Okay. When when you say we can't tell them what to say or not to say, who is they? The local government or the No, the government can't tell them what to say. Who's them? can't tell the person who is doing the protect the canvasing. Canvasing. Okay.

Um so the Supreme Court case that came up was actually a Bible salesman. So they had a first amendment protected right u their religion because the first amendment covers freedom of religion too. So um and it was in Ohio and it was it was a law that was almost worded exactly the way that our ordinance is is structured. So, so they have, what you're saying is they have the right to go around, but as the homeowner, I have the right on my property, say thank you, but no thank you. Yes. And you could, you could put the sign up that says no trespassing, and they can't even knock on your door at that point. Okay. It says no solicitors, no trespassing.

I don't think I agree with that. I I mean that's why I want to make sure I understand really what the Supreme Court said because that's always as somebody who has done a lot of canvasing politically, I mean I've always been told that that does not apply to political canvasers. Yeah. But if I can interject, I'm still researching that. Okay, that's and I'm going to issue a memo. Okay, cool.

Yeah, but Debbie to clarify what you're talking about with political speech is one of the protective classes. So as a officer for political speech, you know, collecting signatures for a petition or something like that, you u you are more than welcome to go on someone's property unless they have the sign though. That's how I believe the and that's where that's what I don't agree. That's what the the law I believe says as it but and that's what Yeah. Jeff is going to have to go up.

Have we ever considered I I have wondered about this before. You know, other villages do have this um no soliciting thing that you can like you can purchase something from the village. They put it on their house and should be a no trespassing sign, wouldn't it? Or Well, it's a no soliciting. Yeah. Have we ever considered doing anything like that, offering that to people? Because people don't like to have their doorbells rang here. They run and hide when that happens. Um, is it something that we would consider? Do people do villages or do cities make money by doing that? I'm assuming they make a little. I can't imagine.

Well, no. It's a registration process with the V. The the way like Pickerington does it, they have a registration process with the village and then and then it's like official official. So then they get a list of If you register to put a a noistic property, then that should be good enough. Well, it it should village ain't going to police it at 7 o'clock at night. I mean, you can call and obviously call police and they'll come out and Well, you would you would know, wouldn't you? Don't some places do I know they do? I don't know about signs. I know here we have a the only reason we have this whole thing is to come here is so we do background checks on the people because that way you know they're on the street and they're legit

and and and I can say from my personal experience we ended up arresting a lot of people that were doing that kind of stuff that had warrants. So remember last year I had like on my little street four a bunch.

So we do back and that's all we don't deny it for any reason. Well, we don't anyway. The the We just do the background check. So, they get the names of the people that are doing it and then they give them a piece of paper so that when they go up to somebody's door, they know that they've been checked and that they're not, you know, that that they're a legitimate business because I think Jeff, you were getting involved in that, too. So, that that's why we have that process here is is not to deny anybody. It's just to he checks make sure they're wrong. that they don't have any issues with the Secretary of State's office, that they're a legitimate business, um that sort of thing.

And then we do the background check and then they issue the permit or I guess that's what you call it permit. And so there's a distinction between um commercial use and then you know someone who's doing non-commercial activity, right? I understand that. for collecting signatures is not something I think you should have to you know get a background check for um and it and it would be uh considered probably prior restraint well that's for us to do that to somebody so Jeff is going to research this and then we'll just take it after that

uh that was all old business anybody else have any old they want to talk about. All right. New business. This cyber security program policy. I'm not 100% sure where this came from. This came it came from me. Um, basically last year, House Bill 66 was passed by the state legislature requires all governments to develop a cyber security program policy. And we have until July 1 to do it. And I developed one uh with some help from some other places of a similar size. Something about gerrymandering too.

And uh and that and and I sent this up to our insurance people with a cyber security professionals and they were okay with this policy as written and we have to have this in place by July 1. And one of the things House Bill 66 or 96 does is um requires training every year. So like we for instance uh all the employees have to be trained on this annually. Um we have our first one set up

next month during right before our team. We're get our team meeting planned. Um and the guy from the our insurance company's coming out and going to give us our presentation at no cost. So, yeah, we have to do this where I work every year, too. Yeah. So, Yep. So, does this need to be in I just need it I I need this to be a legislation drafted for this. Yes. Okay. Did we And the deadline's July 1st. Well, June. Yeah. For the ordinance to be We should just get it out of the way and move it up. So, you So, we'll see that next meeting or if you guys approve.

Oh, yes. So, I need a motion to send that to council. The cyber security program. Uh, roll call. Um, Carol. Yes. Mlean. Yes. And Okay, we are up to sidewalks. Mr. McClean again. Sidewalk. I'm busy, huh? Yes, you are.

Um, so this is something new. I hope I hope everybody had an opportunity to look it over. Um, the the packet I put together. Um, I had four tabs in it, but basically it came up in last um I think it was the last council meeting. We were talking about sidewalks to nowhere. Um, and so I I did a little research on it and um, I think the main point is that that's usually part of a new platting requirement and that the people doing that development, that's a requirement on them, not somebody doing some kind of infill construction to an existing neighborhood where sidewalks might not already exist. So, um, basically what I was putting together in this packet was something that that says that, um, it's not even an ordinance. It is a resolution saying clarifying what we meant or what we mean. So, that there's nobody required to get a permit or required to put a I'm sorry, let me rephrase that. required to uh put in a sidewalk in order to get a permit where a sidewalk doesn't exist because the either the ordinance wasn't in place at the time when the neighborhood was built or when the developer did it, they got out of doing it for some reason. Either they just failed to do it or they got a waiver or something like that. So,

don't we don't we have a ordinance that says if you have a property and you've got sidewalks on each side of you that you have to connect them? Our ordinance says if you build a new house, you have to put a sidewalk in front of it. Period. Which is why we end up with sidewalks from nowhere to nowhere. We we talked about it one time because I remember everybody got really very upset about it. Well, I just feel like Well, here's why it says the right word. I don't think the ordinance says that. So, that's what I'm contending. You know where I built right outside of town? No, actually I don't. But so when you pass Holder Road Uhhuh. I'm I'm the new builder right outside. Okay. Gotcha. There's nothing that connects my house to Porter Road sidewalk wise, right?

And Joe is a good example, too. That's a really good example. On the way to park, it's floating built a house and he has a sidewalk that literally But they they made him put those in, right? Sidewalk is anywhere near it in either direction. It's just in front of his house. So, I would have to put a sidewalk in to nowhere to nowhere. And I did. I had to put one in to nowhere. To nowhere. And it actually my sidewalk actually disrupted the natural drainage and now all the storm water street because the water used to go off into the grass and around to the storm drain and now it can't because the sidewalks there. So it just runs down the road and now the road is completely destroyed. Yeah.

I think it states it has to be 5 foot wide by 4 in thick. I don't know what the specifics are. didn't build 3T or 4T. Well, if you Google it and pull up Baltimore or Baltimore requirement, they said 5 foot by 4 in. But that's so it comes to the question where also who's responsible because when they built the houses on Cliff Street, there's no sidewalks along there and there's a bunch of houses, right? And it's the homeowner's responsibility to put the sidewalk in. But if there's not, my thing with it is there's no sidewalks there. I'm going to put a sidewalk in my front yard that's not going to do nothing but sit there, right? It's not going to connect me to holder road. Well, your neighbors don't have them.

And the ones on cliff, if you don't also put in approaches, they'll crumble. If you put those sidewalks across a gravel driveway, Yeah. without the approach, it'll crumble. His days are numbered, right? Well, DAS is probably the worst. I The house is beautiful. I'm just saying. There's this beautiful house and then there's a sidewalk. It's just dumb. So, what this resolution does is it it clarifies that that part of our code of our ordinance does not apply to existing neighborhoods. It applies to newly platted areas. Yes,

the village still has the right to require them in certain situations. Um, and that we're not going to, you know, basically we're telling the uh I guess the the the inspector or the the building office to interpret our ordinances this way according to the resolution. Okay. I would like to see it removed. It's a waste. We could do that, too. It's I mean, I just don't It's a waste to have. It's a It's a waste to have it because it's a it's a I mean our our development plan requires it in new development. But the new development is different. Yeah. You got to have it the sidewalk ordinance all together, right?

By doing that because it's in the new development, right? Requirements, right? And if you don't require it on the existing planted lots, then the ordinance is completely they come back and say, "Okay, you need to put a sidewalk in." Now, it kind of defeats the purpose of we're going to get storm sewer out through there because at some point the might have to tear that sidewalk up. Well, probably more than probably, right? Yeah, probably. No, you will. Right. So, Jeff, you're going to review this as well. I would

I am reviewing it. I'm in the process of reviewing it. A couple points. Um, I think that you need clarif This is what council wants to do. You need clarification on what an established area means. Is that something that became platted prior to a certain date? Um, I don't think we have any definition of what an infill lot is. And to that point, Cliff Street was platted after this ordinance was passed. Okay. Okay. There's no doubt about that. Yeah. So, clarifications needed. I would recommend an ordinance to amend this provision rather than to fool around with the resolution of intent. I got you.

Um that's I think that's a cleaner way to do it quite frankly. And I did ask Matt to see if there are if there are any pending issues if if there's if he's being bombarded with requests of people or you know residents complaining and my understanding my recollection is no. Right. Actually, the two the two builds on South Cliff Street are are not wanting to do it because on theirs and right there on Cliff Street, you have two different situations. You have two houses that were built on south side of Cliff Street that were existing platted lots and you have a whole row of houses on the north side of Cliff Street which were platted after the ordinance was passed. So, right there in that one street, you have both a good example of both situations existing.

Okay. But shouldn't the the developer put them sidewalks in ordinarily? Yes. The developer is required to install them before they sell. That's what I would like to see. Even if it's a if it's a subdivision or even if it's seven houses like he put out there, he should have put sidewalks. When I had when I built in Langster, all the sidewalks and curbs and everything were in and if any of them developed a crack during construction, I had to tear it out and replace it. So, and I had to do that. So my question to this is is do we start it from this point on and we leave all those other people alone which I think we should I definitely think we should leave them alone. I mean

I'm shouldn't have to do that but yeah I think I made a motion to repeal it once before but that was before right just so I so I'm clear on this um are you talking are repealing the current ordinance in the subdivision regs that requires No. Okay. Okay. Only the one that requires it for all new builds in ex in the existing builds for single unit houses. Yeah. Not talking about changing the subdivision requirements. Okay. Yeah. I don't think I don't think our code

the way I read it is it doesn't say that you have to do that for existing villages. that the way that it's placed in the the code of ordinances, the section that it's in, the wording it uses, uh, implies that it is only intended for the the newly platted areas. And that's that's what the resolution was saying. Hasn't been applied that way. It hasn't been applied that way. And this the resolution was basically us telling um the administration that that's the way they need to interpret it going forward. So the developer on Cliff Street should have been required to do it before he That's what I think. That's what I think they should do. I don't think it should be up to the home. They should hold the current homeowner, right, responsible for something the developer

should have done, should have done to begin with? Yes. So, did you get all that? Are you okay with an amendment to the resolution? I'm I'm I'm okay with anything that moves it forward. Do you want to go ahead and make a motion to take it to council? What about lots that have sidewalks on both sides currently?

Yeah, because if it's a it's just if it's a sidewalk to nowhere. The way it's written in here is that it is a continuous sidewalk. Yeah, they should add a problem. But I don't see a problem. But when it's in the middle of nowhere, well, I'm saying you just have to add that though, or else nobody will have to do it, right? That would be ridiculous to have sidewalk, sidewalk, and a house. No

sidewalk. See that and that's what I thought we addressed at one point that that that those people who were sitting like I can think of going over on railroad street where you're walking along and the sidewalk just ends in front of this house there's nothing and then you get to the next house and there's sidewalk and I thought that we had determined at another point maybe that's how the residents read it maybe it was something different must require them to put something in I don't I don't know any new building railro No, it wasn't a new. It was a It was just a All right. So, um you did you make a motion a motion to

to take uh to amend um the current Well, do I have to take that to council for just a Where is it? What is the current resolution? Oh, um I thought you was looking at No, no, no. That's Yeah, that's fine. Um 1214.06 L. or I could be I we'd still have to take it to council. So subdivision I want to wait for the solicitors ordinances because I I was I was recommending a resolution and he recommended an ordinance change. Okay. As instead. So

So you wouldn't wait. I mean, I can I can make a motion to send the resolution forward um now, but I would rather I'd rather get just what's the best way to expert opinions. I recommend an ordinance. So, I would just I'll do a draft of an ordinance, a proposed ordinance, and Okay. send it to committee. Okay. For further review. It's probably going to need to be tweaked just for definition purposes if nothing else.

Okay. All right. Any other new business or rules? Visitors, one more chance. anything the rules interject. I mean, I know two people complain ever since day one out there on this way. We can't go back and do it. Undo what I can't go back and do that. I had to do it, too. and Underwoods had to do it. John Joe Daft had to do it. But

we all kind of laugh about it at this point. Anyway, you said Woods and

Well, it wouldn't make sense to put sidewalks out there with gravel approaches anyways. question. We have another we got one more meeting. There's purpose behind that idea nowhere. How does that interface with an existing sidewalk? What happens when Jamie's sidewalk does become existing sidewalks? Whose responsibility is that by sidewalks on either sidewalk?

Great question. I think sidewalk question. I guess my my question is like is there is there a point where the village will come to and say your sidewalk is a danger, you need to replace it or your lack of Okay. So, it is the responsibility of the home. So, how does someone that has an existing sidewalk, their feet are being held fire that they need to replace it? How do they feel about this person over here? They don't even have a sidewalk, you know, they're not they're not being

Yeah. I mean, the the code already addresses that they will need to maintain their sidewalks and so without a without a change to the ordinance that would have to stay in place. And I have something similar kind of along these lines. I'm just saying tricky. Nobody wants to pay for expensive but everyone wants them. Wants them pays for them. So, how do you hold these fires? Maybe I concrete.

Yeah, just what we need. I'm not a part of this committee, but kind of to John's point is we've talked about those future developments that are going to be out there on 256 and I thought that they were supposed to be connected to the village. Well, we talked about a couple different ways. Maybe a a bike path or something like that eventually going to be different than a sidewalk. So then put a bike path in front of people's homes. Well, no, I think it was from the middle. I don't I mean, we haven't got that far, you know,

I know, but this kind of goes to that point. So, let's say we get those developments out there. And the point was to try to connect that part of our community to this part of the community, making sure that there's no disconnect. And that's where the sidewalks come in. I thought Does that make sense? Yeah, it makes sense. I mean, I work with you. statement, but I'm saying I'm putting something forward. Yeah, go ahead. We just don't want to disconnect. I'm not sure how we make all the existing homeowners prior to this ordinance go back and install them back. I don't think that would be and so you're going to have these gaps that you really and that's why I'm posing the question talked about not put in from the school. That was with a grant.

That was a grant. Um was it it was before me something to do with children and access. And so that was a grant that put that nice big sidewalk all the way to the elementary school down Main Street. Yeah. And I'm just throwing out safe routes for kids. A grocery store gets out there, a Taco Bell gets out there, whatever. You're going to have people who are going to want to get out there on their bikes. Sure. That's a dangerous road to be on a bicycle. So that's all I'm saying.

Well, it's definitely stuff to talk about. I I just the only thing I don't I don't think you can make the existing people pay for a sidewalk that like the people on Cliff Street. I if there was going to be a sidewalk in the developer should have put it in or does that mean the village would have to put a connection? So we we may I'm just I just want to throw that out there. Yeah. No, it's a good it's a it's a legit and we we have talked about all of it joining and I think the developers out there will have to do their part to get it here and when we get to that point if we get to that point in my lifetime um they may have to pay for it all the way in. That might be something that we work in.

Well, just something to bring up because we even brought up the path out to Alt Park. I mean again you know there's the floating the floating I call it the floating sidewalk out there, right? But still I mean Where do we start? There's no sidewalks at between your brother's house and no nothing. Well, his is silly. I guess my point is

I don't know at some point you got old cars that don't meet modern day standards for safety, whatever. You got an old car, so be it. At some point some point you want sidewalks and walkability. I don't know. To me, it sounds dangerous. I know you're gonna get people and you're mad that they got to build a new house, put a sidewalk in. You'd be mad if you had to put a sidewalk in your house. It doesn't go anywhere, but at some point I would have to do that now. Yeah. Well, you don't have right. What he's saying is if on both sides of you ended up putting sidewalks in,

who would be responsible for it then? Well, if if they put sidewalks in beside me, I don't have a problem putting a sidewalk in. But I don't want to put a sidewalk there. That's You were the only one. Yes. When you're the only one. Be the only one because then that's people in my yard. For what reason? They shouldn't even be there in the first place. There's no sidewalk to go there. Kings Kings don't have enough road frontage to put a sidewalk in, I don't think, because the house is so close to the road. There might be. I don't know. I'm I'm gonna drive to your house just to walk on your sidewalk and give you a thumbs up.

Well, and you're but you're talking about multiple houses. We're not talking about one house, correct? I mean, if if wood if somebody puts in four houses, they ought to put in sidewalks. All right. But then are you going to be happy if they put in sidewalks and they come to you and say, "Well, he that's what he just said he would." That's what I would do if it connects me to them. Yes. And I know it's going to go to Holder Road. I do not absolutely have no problem putting a sidewalk in, but there's two properties before me that's not sidewalk. Right. One lady's doing good grass. So, I know she's not going to put a sidewalk in.

I would I would that's something we need to talk about and and Brandy to your credit that's we have talked about joining those developments eventually and we'll have to figure that out. Um but I just wanted to make that Yeah, that's a good point to bring up. I'll probably be dead, but it's it'll be it'll be uh good to it is something to talk about for sure. So, I would I would at least at this point come up with a something for us to read, Jeff, and then we'll have to ponder it out because we can beat this thing all night long on the sidewalks.

All right. So, um let's finish up here. Anything else? Any other new business? I went to the visitors. Next meeting is going to be held on the 4th Monday in April, April 27th at 6 PM if we need it, I guess. And um do I have a motion to adjurnn? I'll make a motion. A second. Uh all in favor say I. I I meeting is adjourned.

Okay, with that we need to move right along. Yeah. Um a minute here. Switch gears. He's got his fancy shirt on. He can shift gears fast. Go ahead. All right. Roll call. Uh mccury present. Shoffner present. Carol.

Okay. And also in attendance we have Mayor Rick Ellis. We also have Mr. Solicitor Rogers Chief Matt Nheiser VA of course. Um and we also have Phillips in attendance and we also have Phil McQueen in attendance, Rick Foreman in attendance and then we also have visitors approval of minutes from February 23rd. Uh I will move to approve those. All in favor?

I must abstain. So Debbie, well, I need to fix that then. Oh, wait. It says I was It says she was excused. I'm looking at the November 24th minutes. Never mind. Okay. I'm sorry. It's okay. Okay. Um, visitors, is there anybody who'd like to speak tonight? Okay. All right, safety committee. Um, let's move on then to 2026 goals. Uh, we still have the goal zero workplace accidents. We are at zero for the year. Zero fatal accidents. We remain at zero. Um, reports at this time.

Uh, I don't have anything to report. Okay. Police department. Uh, I do have something. So, uh, Company Street, uh, if you've ever been up company Street, it's like that wide. And, uh, there's a concern about people were starting to park on Company Street. And, um, where where there is no no parking signs on there, but, uh, I spoke with fire department today. They've got concerns they can't get equipment up there if anybody's parked on the street, period. So, um, why are they are they all of a sudden parking on there or It must be okay.

People that moved in maybe one of those apartments. Um, so if uh point I'd like you all to maybe just take a look up there and see what I'm talking about. And I think uh I think I think it would be advantageous to make that parking up through there for everybody's benefit. It's extremely narrow on that hill. That null at the top of that little null on

Yeah. Even the rest like I went there today and was on call there which kind of brought this a little more to light and uh when I parked in the street because I couldn't get in their driveway and looked and it just before I even walked up to the house I was like man not here with even another car without the grass. You can see where people have gone in the grass to get around people in some of those houses up there. So Jamie just tried to explain to me. Give me another visual. Street. Casey Farmer Street. Oh yeah. They park on that street. They do. And that's new because that's not been the case. Yeah. No. Yeah. You live back there? Yeah. Right. I'm on the corner of North. Yeah. There's I think there's some new people living in the one of the apartments over there that are that are doing it.

And uh there was a truck parked there and I had never seen anyone park. Mrs. Grace. Why is there So what do we need to do? have no parking signs or what do we got to do? Well, you got to pass that by ordinance for no parking. Can we bring that as an ordinance? That's because I know that street and you can't park on there. Well, I spoke with Casey at length about today and he he definitely agreed. He said if there's anything sitting there, you can't even get the medic pass, let alone a fire truck. And so anybody maybe it's Ry's house, the fire truck's going to go down company Street only to realize they can't get down company Street. They can't have a heart attack. Yeah, that's right. I hope it's not that water clerk girl parking out on the street. Yeah, right. Cuz she lives up there. It's not.

So, you're saying we need to suggest an ordinance move to That's what I would suggest and mostly in the interest of safety because I can't believe people had even proposed just it was just someone had proposed the idea of making that a oneway just north only on that strip. Yep. Because you cannot see. So if you're going south on North on that null like it's well the the rest of company's already one way. So the first block one way. I know. Well that's why we had said just make the rest of that continuous to that stop sign but it didn't go any place.

I remember you talked about that. Well somehow it evolved into changing all the streets in town 25 miles hour. But it's easier for people to go out rather than speeding. Yeah, we need the no parking for sure. Yeah, it doesn't change the no parking thing. But that that's my suggestion. I mean, obviously if you want So look at it. Okay. Drive up there if you haven't driven up. Not a question. Yeah, I there was a car parked. I couldn't get my car through there. So does anyone want to move to make an ordinance for proposing ordinance or no parking sign? Uh, I will move for an ordinance for no parking signs on Company Street. Is that okay?

From where to where? From Washington Street to Maple. Yep. And is it one way? It is not. It is not. That's no parking on both sides of the street. Yes. So, do we want to do from 256? No, because that's wide. That's okay. super wide. What's so weird about it, but there's only like four houses on that part of that street, too. So, it's I can't believe people are parking on that. Okay. Um, there's also the sign down. Did you see that? No outlet signs down. I was going to let Matt know that and we'll get that fixed.

It's at the intersection of North Company and West Mabel. It's in my yard. So, do you want to review this at the next meeting or do you want to No, we should just let's just get it up. All right, there we go. Oh, yeah. Okay. Yes, I will. All right, then. Um, all in favor? I I Wow. Okay. Is there anything else to you? Okay. Thank you. All right. Old business. We have none. Uh, new business building department. I believe this is

Yes. So, uh, I asked Brandy if I could just have about five to six minutes. I put together a couple I put together a document that I included. Uh, I think I sent I sent a separate separate email. I think Connie also included it in the safety uh, packet. She did.

Uh, but I just kind of wanted to walk through it. I think some of the things that were some of the discussion that we had at the last meeting about the building department I tried to try to synthesize some of that information make it succinct readable understandable but I'd like to walk down through that with you. So really I have three sections. One's on the relationship between the zoning and building department and the workflow currently as it is. And then the second section was a series of questions that I asked in relationship to uh the residential code of Ohio and the relationship with the Ohio Revised Code as well as some questions about can we make it more can we can we make the building department co strict? Can we relax areas of it? I tried to answer that question. And then the third section was on how to how the the process of creating a certified building department and the process of dissolving it. I won't go over that tonight. Uh I've just included that in case there was a question about how we got it and then if there was ever a question about wanting to dissolve it, what's the process to do that? So the first section here is on the zoning and building department's relationship and workflow. So the process for construction within the village limits is divided into two distinct phases. The zoning phase and the building phase. Zoning determines location and usage whereas the building department ensures technical compliance. So with phase one, zoning approval is the where and the what of building. Before any construction begins, the zoning department acts as the gatekeeper for both residential and commercial projects within the village. The way this process goes is something it was not something like this. This is how the process goes. First is a submission. An applicant submits a zoning permit application to the village office. Then the zoning administrator, who is currently me, uh reviews the application for compliance with the village of Baltimore zoning code. The administrator

uh myself uh often contacts the applicant for additional information and scheduling on-site meetings or uh drivebys to see where properties been staked out. And then last last part of that process, the administrator officially approves or denies the permit. Just a couple of other uh bits of information I thought important as far as compliance. The administrator implements the zoning code. So the administrator certainly doesn't make up the zoning code. Uh nor does he have uh the right to ignore certain parts of it and that zoning code is passed by the village council. If the code is wanting to be amended, only the village council has the authority to amend the code and any appeals. All residents have a right to to appeal denied zoning applications to the board of zoning appeals that meets the second Thursday of each month. So that's zoning. Okay. All building goes through zoning. If they get approval to build the the where and what they want to build, setbacks, minimum lot sizes, stuff like that, they get permission. Then it gets kicked over to the building department and on once the zoning permit is issued, the project moves to the building phase to address technical requirements and safety codes work the workflow branches depending on the type of project. And that's because of this. When in dealing with commercial projects, applicants must make and get approval from zoning. But once they get approval from zoning, all commercial projects go to the county who does um the county building department who who oversees the technical regulations for commercial property. So like I don't I don't do any of that with retail, restaurant, commercial, all that's through the county. So that what we're doing in house is residential projects. Residential projects remain under the jurisdiction of the village building department. And the application process

is like this. The applicant submits building permits to the village. The chief building officer reviews the application and communicates with the applicant if further details are required. Inspections. The applicant coordinates with the inspector to schedule uh building inspections. Compliance. The chief building officer ensures all work follows the residential code of Ohio. assists residents with compliance and approval amending the code. Only the board of building standard has the authority to amend the residential building the residential code of Ohio and all residents do have a process of appeals whether that be locally or through in some cases uh the board itself. So that's that's how regardless of who we have do the inspection mechanism whether it's an individual or whether it's safe built um the village has contracted with other companies who have provided that regardless of who's doing the enforcement mechanism that's that's that is the process that that we follow with the certified building uh department. So that moves on to the second part of this hopefully brief presentation and that's the legal framework the relationship between state mandates and local authority. And so there were three really three questions I was trying to answer. And the first was what's the relationship between the Ohio revised code and the residential code of Ohio? And the relationship between the state law and administrative rules defines how building codes are governed and enforced in certified building departments. So, the Ohio Revised Code is the legal mandate passed by the General Assembly. The Ohio Revised Code grants the Board of Building Standards the power to create rules for building construction. It establishes the why and the WHO, defining building types and setting the framework for how local departments are certified and codes enforced. The residential code of Ohio then is the

technical rules part of the Ohio Administrative Code. the uh residential code of Ohio contains the actual technical minimums and that's what they are. They're just it's the floor. It's the very least. These administrative rules have the full force and effect of law because power is granted uh to the board of building standards by the Ohio Revised Code. So just whereas like in the zoning portion of things, the village council sets the code and then we just on the administrative side enforce the code, I can't change the code. that has to go through you all. The same would be true with the certified building department. We don't have we can't pick and choose. It has to be um it has to be according to what they've decided. So then that was my two questions. Can local standards be stricter? And without belaboring the issue generally stated no they can't. Now there are things that the residential code of Ohio doesn't address like it doesn't address fences and it doesn't address swimming pools. So currently, none of that is overseen by our building department. It's only a zoning thing. And because it's a zoning thing, we can change zoning laws. Uh we don't have the authority to change residential code of Ohio laws. Um and then lastly here, can a municipality choose not to enforce portions of the RCO? And the short answer is no. If a municipality is certified, enforcement is an all or nothing commitment to the uniform standard. So when we applied for certification, we were saying to them, if you grant us a building department, a certified building department, we promise to adhere by these state set of state minimums. And so mandatory enforcement uh according to Hyro Vice Code, a building official shall enforce the rules of the BBS. local officials cannot wave or ignore statemanded safety standards due to personal disagreement or resident burden. And then goes on to

talk about how if if if we would do that, it would risk certifi it would re risk our certification. Uh I talked to the board of building standards today and had just a slew of questions for them somewhat related to this, somewhat not related, but basically they said that we be placed on probation. There's no there's never any fine. BBS doesn't have the right to to to set fines or to enforce fines, but they can put you on probation. Ultimately, descertification would happen if a building department were found to be only enforcing portions of that. So, from my perspective, and that's all this is, this this right here is an opinion statement. All right. Um, I think the question that council may want to ask, and again, I'm not instructing. I'm just just my opinion. I think the first question that needs to be answered is does the village council really want a certified building department through the state of Ohio. There have been times uh like prior to 2006 in my research and it was very basic. We did not have a building department. So we weren't enforcing um we we we didn't have the authority. We didn't have a certified building department. We weren't held to enforce those standards. After that, we we've had it. Sometimes we've had individuals enforcing it. Sometimes we've had companies enforcing it. Large periods of time we've had nobody enforcing it, which makes us non-compliant. So from my perspective, the first question before talking about who enforces it, I think maybe the first question is, is this really something village council wants? And if the answer is no, then whether we use safeu or somebody else is really a moot point. If the answer is yes, then the question then becomes who who do we want enforcing it? Do we want a comp outside company? Do we want an individual? Now, with that being said,

my last statement, I have a meeting with Jim Camp on Wednesday and um we're going to talk about some of this and he assures me that that we have we have options. He didn't get into him and I didn't ask because I knew we were meeting. So he says that we have some other options other than just um well I didn't you know what I didn't go in further ask him so I'm not going to speculate but he says we have other options. I'll find more about that on Wednesday and I can report back at uh at a later meeting. Some people may say who's Jim Camp? He ran the Lincoln County Voting Department for a number of years. I think close to a decade.

Yeah. So, he does have a lot of background. Yeah. So, if there are other options, I would think Mr. Cape would know what those are. No, I just say we table that till you talk to him and you come back and report about what we should do. Just know there was questions of how much we were spending and Matt also provided you guys. Yeah, I saw that. It's it's basically a wash. What we've taken in went out. So, right. We're not spending a bunch of money on it yet. All right. Thank Thank you. No, thank you. That was informative. Yes. Thank you for sharing all of that. Are there any questions? Anybody? I have I have a question. Um, so

if we did away with our own building department, those inspections are still p or those requirements are the county's picking that up or just so the county does not do residential building. Okay. They only oversee count. They only oversee commercial. Okay. Well, that was I was a little confused by whether I thought it was required. Oh, yeah. Except for plumbing. Plumbing. They do oversee plumbing for a new build. So, all the new builds, they would come in and do inspections. And it is not a requirement. If you say you're going to have one, you have to have one. If you say you don't, you don't. Okay.

So, that's something for all of us to think about. So, I'm worried about the residents, I guess, um, with an insurance company denying their claim, saying this this wasn't permitted properly or whatever because we didn't have somebody doing that. I mean, is that a real is that an issue? I I think about that in quality standards. Sure. I I mean, I agree. I I think we need that. I I think it's going to be discussion that's going to be ongoing. Yeah. I mean, well, I think once you talk to Mr. Camp and see what the other options are and then we go from there. In my experience,

I mean, are they going to get up on the roof and inspect your shingle? I I don't know. They don't usually do that. The insurance company sends a company out, they check it, they cut them a check, they tell them to do it, and then they go on. I again, I think with our time, I think it is going to be something we're going to have to mold over and future see what the other options are with. We have a certain timetable which that was the question. Yeah, we renew. Well, yes, there there is a stipulation in the contract and for the life of me I can't I can't recall it. I think it might be 90 days. At any point we can give a notice. Okay. 60 days. It's either they can give us a 60-day notice or we can give them a 60. It automatically renews it. But if we tell them now no at any time.

At any time. At any time. Okay. without any any reason even if the renewal dates the 25th well it would automatically renew but the next day theoretically the village could say oh by the way we're giving you right but I'm saying if we can't like say next meeting we cancel or we choose to cancel that's not die off the 25th because we're not renewing after the 25th no it's not 60 days notice and I I hate to do this but we've got to move move along yeah 58 um so there's something on here new business water heaters. That's all under um I'm okay with moving it to the next

So, if we could move that on, that would be great. So, our next meeting is going to be April 27th at 6:30 p.m. or immediately following rules. Is there anyone who'd like to move to adjourn? I have moved to a second. Who seconded it? I pardon our next meeting when it is April 27th.

Would c would council like um instead of waiting to the next safety meeting like my the meeting with Mr. Camp some of these questions about the renewal, can we can we bring that to service next time? That way we're not waiting a whole month to discuss that. One more thing I'd like to just have an idea of when we're talking about let's say a typical case. I don't know what that might be, but let's talk about processing. When you're moving that from the front office through and that component as far as let's see the see through. Yeah. How long does that take versus the processing through just I it would be interesting to know because time is money. Do you want to know that now or do you want me to have later? Okay. But just include that in

typically how many is she putting through in a week? uh building permit. Yes. So, but she typically has been the one that's been taking So, in in house in-house we do all zoning and then and then once they get a zoning application when they when they make an when they create an account with community core which is the online portal. We mark it that it is past zoning. Okay. And then they can sign up for all their permitting and they do that all electronically. But before she was dealing with a lot lot more paperwork, correct? Okay,

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Brian, could I get a roll call, please? Uh, Carol, Foreman here, McCreary present, Mlan here, Phillips here, Schoffner present. Uh, can I get an approval on the minutes from March 9th? Last council mech. I'll second. Any discussion on that? Can I get a roll call on that, please? Foreman? Yes. Carol? Yes. McCreary, yes. McClean, yes. Phillips, yes. Shner, yes. I get an approval of the agenda.

The agenda as presented. McCra seconds. Roll call on that, please. Brian. Uh, Foreman, yes. McCreary, yes. Carol, yes. Phillips, yes. Clean, yes. Schaer, yes. Okay. I know we do have some visitors. Are there any visitors that would like to address council? Yes, Jack Phillips. Okay.

Hi, good evening. Um, my name is Jack Phillips. I'm with Frontier Communications and I wanted to uh just kind of give you a heads up. We have a really big project planned for the village uh to upgrade our network. We're planning on deploying fiber um throughout the uh throughout the village and the surrounding area. It'll be a major upgrade to our network. Um it's um replacing our legacy copper network that uh desperately needs to be replaced. Um it's designed to deliver right now 10 gig symmetrical service. Um the upload speed for all of our services are the same as the download speeds. Um during the pandemic we learned that upload speeds were just as critical as download speeds. Uh the network will actually with some modification deliver 25 gig symmetrical service which um right now we're only initially will only offer uh 7 gig symmetrical service. Uh there isn't a lot of demand for that. We've been bumping the speeds up um as the demand for the service uh for those level of services increases. the other end of the spectrum, we're offering a 200 over 200 megabit service, which again is symmetrical for $29.99 a month. Um, and that's before a lowinccome discount that we offer. We offer a $921 $925 lifeline credit for qualifying low-income households, which brings a really good service down to about $21 a month. And that includes all the equipment. Um right now we're not charging any installation fees. Um we're in the process we're uh finishing up the engineering for the project. Um the well basically um where we have aerial facilities today. We'll have aerial um where we buried we'll where we have buried facilities. We'll bury the the uh

the uh fiber. Uh we'll have to do the permitting process. The timeline right now, we're still kind of juggling with our contractor in terms of what the the timing will be, but I will get back with you to let you know ahead of time on that. Um, we have a door hanger um that we put on people's uh doors that has a direct contact name and number for that they can contact for any issues that they have. Lets them know what's going on. And it's not just the it's not for ordering service. It's not to a call center. it's to a group that handles only issues if we've got a hole or you know we haven't replaced sod in somebody's yard. Um

so that's that was my question. Will this be like on a pole or it will be in the ground? So it'll be on a pole where we have uh pole today. It'll be buried where we have buried today. Um and we will run past everyone's home at all the businesses. We won't actually run a dropper up to the house obviously until we get a request for service. But usually we can turn those around in three to four days. So um get service turned up pretty quickly. Um this project include removal of all the old.

So eventually yes. Um the issue is this. Um, we are an incumbent telecommunications provider and I won't blame AARP, but um, I've done a lot of legislative work in Ohio over the years and we've made and that's part of why we we were kind of slow in terms of upgrading our network. Uh we we as the incumbent provider had this carrier last resort obligation and there's been a big push because of heart monitors and things like that, fax machines which are now outdated alarm systems that there's been a successful lobby for retaining the copper network. Um, as soon as we get the okay, we will uh transition customer any new customers we have, we'll offer or anybody that wants a fiberbased product, we'll we'll put them on the fiber network. We will replace we will be removing the uh copper as soon as we can. Um, actually the FCC has kind of stepped in on this. They want more rapid uh network modernization and they're actually actually we have to go through two steps. One, we have to get approval from uh PUCO, the Public Utilities Commission of Ohio. Second, we have to get permission from the FCC to move transition customers and uh retire our copper network. But the FCC is moving very quickly in terms of policy change to expedite that. So, it is coming, but it won't be immediate. Any other question? We'll be back again. I'll give you an update um as soon as we know what the timing's going to be, but uh want to let you know that it is coming. There is hope here and it is it's it's very it's a really good service and our pricing is really attractive. No contracts. So, um it'll

be I think you know really good for consumers and as well as the businesses here that um need really fast reliable speeds. any changes to the building you have over here? Not that I know, but um I'm I'm your next door neighbor, by the way.

Okay. Uh, not that not that I know, but actually um the equipment that we have um when we replace we eventually I the good news is we'll eventually be replacing that older equipment that takes up more space and you know be able to sort of downsize the uh amount of equipment we have which may ultimately lead to you know replacement of the building a smaller footprint than we have today. Do we you may not know the answer to this question. Do you do we still have a Frontier Rob in town? Do you do you know Frontier Rob? He was like our personal Frontier man here in town.

I don't know him but I can check Rob was his name. I know who you're talking about oddly enough. I haven't seen him in a while. I haven't either. Um and I had another qu. So and I might have missed this because I'm a little hearing impaired. So if if if I have frontier service now I mean will it affect me in some will I lose service at any point?

No. So you'll have an option. I mean we'll we'll encourage people to automatically take the fiber service to switch over. Um the broadband is light years ahead of of of what we're offering today on a DSL basis and the uh the voice service is much more attractive. that's got unlimited long distance. We don't have a lot of the federal some of the federal fees that we have to impose with the the legacy copper network. So, it'll be a much more tra attractive offer. I mean, most customers are going to want switch. Okay, cool. I'm excited for some competition in this area. Much needed competition.

Yeah. And I I guess I would say, you know, we don't have contracts with our services monthto month and we really don't need to. customers really are happy with our service. It's very reliable, much more reliable than our copper network. Um, as you probably know, I mean, if we have a co something goes wrong with our copper, uh, we're we're struggling to find copper pairs that that are good or if something's damaged, we've got to replace a larger segment because it just can't be rehabilitated. So, um, good news on the horizon.

Well, thank you for coming and informing us. Oh, there is one other thing I'll I'll mention. We were we're act if if if you remember, we were uh owned by uh a Verizon company previously. Um actually Verizon just purchased this back. So we are a Frontier of Verizon company. So that's one other thing we'll probably be offering. We're It isn't integrated today, but we'll probably also be offering a bundle that includes wireless. Super. I appreciate the opportunity to be here. Thanks so much. Thank you. Thank you. Uh any other uh visitors like to uh make any comments or Yeah.

You got anything? Step up. I don't know. It's your time and shine.

Okay. All right. If nothing back there, do we need to project? What's in the back? What's in the back? You going skydiving after me? A recording device. Haven't we had that before? We did have that before. We have. All right. So, we're going to go into village administrative reports. Uh I don't have any Oh, I'm sorry. It's okay. Forgive me. My first. Yes, I know. All I was going to I just have a few things and that's um I would say and I'm glad you we're probably 99% approved for the the money uh to do the water lines over I mean sounds like we're 100% approved but it's it's been approved.

Yeah, it's been approved. The other thing is is that Tim did find out on Romeside that uh Columbia Gas are replacing all the gas lines on Romeside, which kind of coincides with replacing the water lines over there. And the good news about that is one of the major sticking points that I was worried about is the money that we were getting paves for half of the the road if we replace the water lines up there. Well, that means that Columbia Gas will replace the other half is what it sounds like when Tim and I talked to the Columbia Gas guys. So, that alleviates some funding problems about I mean, if we're going to replace the gas lines and the water lines, we might as well have new streets, which sounds like that's actually can happen. And hopefully midsummer to end of summer that project could start. Um, there is uh lots of stuff going on at the parks and the ball fields. They're getting a lot of stuff done. Uh, and with that, that's really all I have. Please, uh, Matt,

sorry for interrupting. Oh, that's all right. Uh, I don't have anything really to add to my report, just a couple of attachments that I had. Um, I know we won't have probably time to talk about it today, but maybe in service, but I wanted to get you the water modeling map. There's 11 projects on there that have been identified as being immediate and critical needs as far as waterline replacement. Those numbers are not, they could just as easily have bullet points. It's a just All 11 of them are important to do and we can just kind of pick and ch Well, we certainly can pick and choose which ones we want to do, but they're not numbered in number of emergency. Yeah. Yeah. Just just look at them. They're numbered, but they're all just bullet pointed. I also included a picture of a cross-section of a couple pipes.

Yes. Just to kind of highlight, not only is the infrastructure aging, um, but it's, um, it's got stuff inside of it. So, uh, just as we think about water line replacement, just to emphasize why this is so important. Yeah. And it's, you know, when the water pipes are 90 years old. Yeah. And we're just now getting to them. It is what it is. So, doing the best we can with what we have to work with. Uh, anything else, Matt? Uh, not for me. No. Okay. Mr. Fiscal Officer Brian. Uh, no. I really don't have anything.

Yes, sir. Uh, Mr. Solicitor, couple items. two new pieces of legislation on the agenda for first reading. Uh the first is resolution 20269, which is to authorize an advance from the general fund to the um urban forestry grant fund. If this sounds familiar, it's because we passed a similar um resolution within the last year and there is emergency language and because I believe the work has already started. Correct.

Yes, it has. Okay. And then the second piece of legislation on for first reading is ordinance 2026-10, which is an ordinance establishing rates for Baltimore swimming pool for the 2026 season that has emergency language also because of pre-season sales. Yeah, we'd like to get that information out as soon as possible.

No second readings. Two items on for third reading. Uh the first is 20264 which is to reszone several parcels um out on um Baltimore Somerset Road. Um and uh um no emergency language in that. U second uh is ordinance 20265. I'm going to ask the council table that ordinance because I need to do some additional research on that. Um, and so I'm going to ask that council consider tableing that. Um, after regular business, I would ask for a motion to go into an executive session for two topics. Uh, the and so I'm going to ask that this be in two sessions. The first session is going to be to discuss economic development. Everybody at the table is welcome to attend that. The second session is to discuss pending litigation. everybody at the table, but I'm gonna excuse Mr. Mle from that one. And that's all I have.

Okay. Go to village committee reports. Uh finance.

Village committee reports. Finance. Finance. Oh, I'm sorry. That's me. Okay. Yeah, that's you, Rick. Not used to that. Glad it wasn't. I couldn't I didn't know if it was I didn't know if it was Bill or if it was did not meet tonight. Mr. Mayor, our next meeting is 13th uh on April 13th. Okay. Service committee again. That's Gar. Oh, that one's Gar. Yeah, that one is what? Service committ uh we didn't meet our next meeting April 13th. Yes, sir. Safety committee. Yes, we met tonight and we discussed um some information regarding the building department and we're given a lot of information from our VA. Our next meeting is going to be held April 27th at about 6.

Yes, ma'am. Rules committee, we did meet tonight. Uh we did discuss a number of ordinances. Uh Jeff will be um some of those are going to go to council. Um and then Jeff will be researching the rest of those. Our next meeting will be April 27th at 6 p.m. Okay. Uh Chief, do you have any reports? Okay, good. Thank you. Uh Jamie, do you have anything from the Basel Joint Fire to District? Nothing. It's been pretty quiet. Okay, good. They're happy with that. So, yes, as we all are. Uh village committee and commissions, planning and zoning commission. Do you have anything? Uh I don't have anything to add.

Okay. Is there anything to add? Tree commission. We just talked about one of the ordinance that we have to read is so we can take the grant money that we got paid so we can pay the tree guys. Uh nothing for records I assume. Brian. Nope. Okay. We'll go into motions. I'll make a motion. We missed Go ahead. Yeah. No, go ahead. I was going to make a motion to go into executive committee following regular meeting uh with two sessions. First being economic development. will include everybody here at the table and the second session being pending l litigation who you were excusing somebody was Philip okay

uh that's it fourman seconds so I'm going to go into Oh I'm sorry yeah roll call on that uh Schaer yes Foreman yes man abstain Okay. Uh, Carol, yes. McCree, yes. Phillips, yes. Okay. Okay. So, now I have a motion I'd like to make also. Okay. Go ahead. I'm sorry. I'd like to see us remove 2021-24 on impervious surface. Forman seconds. Enlighten me about that. I'm sorry.

What? impervious surface restricting the amount of imperous surface on a particular parcel. Uh in the in the ordinance there's language that gives you a percentage of lot coverage that could be impervious and that impervious surface includes gravel which is not actual le by me again. You made a motion for what? 2021-24 surface. So what would this do? Nothing. So I have a question. That's an ordinance you're referring to. Yes. So you're wanting to resend. Yeah.

Okay. Well, we need an ordinance to do that, but I can prepare it as far as that goes. You can go ahead with your motion that I'll need I'll need to prepare an ordinance to do that. I'm I'm sorry. I got to ask a question. Yeah. Like where did this come from? I mean, this came from the previous village administrator. She was in she was at her home overhearing a meeting between her husband and someone else and some other village proposed this and she thought it sounded like a good idea for us as well. So what does it do then? Where did this come from? Like like all I mean we've never talked about it previously. No, I've actually made the motion to do this prior.

There's a case right now, correct me if I'm wrong or an instance right now where a gentleman is wanting to put a shed in. Yeah. Or something of that nature and green. after to put the shed in. So, it's limitating limiting what you can do on your property. Maximum lot coverage. Yeah. Maximum lot coverage. Yeah. And so, people with small lots are like my own are inordinat, you know, unfairly disadvantaged as to what we're allowed to do on our property. It's like 30% or something. 35 40 in R3. And then I'm here in the mixed use district and I can have 80% of mine. Yeah.

And the and the thought behind that being that it keeps res like R3 you keep neighborhoods feeling like neighborhoods not I I think that's some of the thought behind it. So does it go to 100% then% does it mean 100% coverage means we don't really there was a whole lot of conversation and I was part of this

and it that exactly that was what a lot of this was about it was all dealing with runoff of the water so this wasn't just a random there was a whole lot of discussion that went into that and it was increased from 35 to 40 if I'm not mistaken there was a lot capital was background. So for I I agree pieces gravel gravel even though they said it's considered but the purpose of including gravel was so that people wouldn't tear out their concrete driveway and put in a gravel and just to be able to fall within the limitation. Wow. I never heard that. Tear your

Well, I mean why else would you include gravel because it's just not even legit. can in different instance gravel driveway is taking there is no grass then you can't put a shed in right for instance if Phil wants to put a full pool in behind his house he can't because his garage is already there he's got enough room for a pool if you look at it but it says he can't do it by impervious service and as far as storm water runoff I mean legitimately you should run or storm water to a storm water you put concrete or whatever I mean it's going to take up space

counts it's not giving you the pool that I remember that came up very specifically that the surface area of the pool which does not discharge water was also included so what we're saying is ridiculous things there are ridiculous things in it but to turn it into 100% rooftop well I guess I guess what what I would what I would give as an example is German village where people have landscaping and brick gardens and houses and there's almost no green space no grass at all and those are gorgeous million-dollar houses and requiring grass on your lot doesn't make the place any I don't think it was just that we required grass I was doing zoning at that time when this was all going on so and I don't remember that

had nothing to do with green space it had to do with the water correct that's what it all had to Grass was never mentioned. That was not even part of the conversation. So, could the storm water rate be tied to the percentage of coverage? Columbus already does that. But does how's that affect your neighborhood? Well, it's should be drainage. Like you said, Columbus charges you a fee based on solid surface, but they don't care whether you run it on your neighbor or not. They do nothing about it. So, okay. So, what do you guys want to do? How do we do this?

Just clarification, Mr. Carol's motion is to have me draft legislation to resend the ordinance and then we talk about it. Well, and I seconded it and this is the discussion. Go for a vote. It can be further discussed obviously because the ordinance that I prepare is going to come back. Yeah. I mean, it isn't going anywhere tonight. All we're doing tonight is giving Jeff authorization to prepare an ordinance.

Okay. I just so so so we're so so we're we're giving property rights to people of sort correct which we should um the runoff I I don't I don't know when I hear of course I mean I got a m I I don't have any neighbors so it's easier for me uh but I I for the rest of I don't know well take My house for example, if I just decided to put a big old pool in my backyard. Yeah. And covered my whole I mean I live on that hill, right? So everything from my property is going to be running down Yeah.

across the alley into the next people's yard. It already does. Yeah. You're not changing to some extent. Well, I can show you a video. The neighbor across the street shows a video. The water runs down an alley when it's raining. Yeah, it does. Yeah, the soil around here is not absorbing much no water no matter what you do to it. I don't think that's an argument though for 100% law coverage. Well, I guess it'll I guess we'll wait till the ordinance comes up and we can vote on it. Correct. And discuss it. And discuss discuss it more. Yeah. All right. So, we all have something. Do we need to take a roll call on whether to have it presented or prepared? Yes. Yeah. Okay. Go ahead, Carol. Yes. Foreman,

yes. McCra, yes. Mlean, yes. Phillips, yes. And Schoffner, yes. But we're still going to talk about it. Just for discussion. Yeah, just for discussion. Okay. Anybody else have any other motions? Okay. Now, I'm going to read the uh ordinances that are on there. the first ordinance. Who would be the sponsor for this or do we need a sponsor? I need a sponsor. Miss Miss uh Brandy, would you be the sponsor for this? Sure. It's has to do with the tree commission sort of. Yes, sir.

Yes, ma'am. So, first reading resolution uh 20269, a resolution authorizing an advance from the general fund to the urban urban forestry grant fund in the declaration of emergency. Hold on before you Hey, Jeff. Th this hasn't gone through committee. So there you go. Okay. So in looking at resolution 202609, I would like to propose that we bypass with the declaration of emergency. No, just to bypass committee first. Oh, bypass committee, please. Can we get a second on that? I'll second. Okay, wonderful. Any discussion

to what? Oh, okay. Roll call. Uh McCra, yes. Carol, yes. Phillips, yes. Foreman, yes. Clean, yes. Shoffer, yes. Now a motion to suspend a three reading rule and declare. Okay, so we would like to suspend the three reading rule, the resolution 20260 and the declaration of emergency.

I'll second. Okay. So, just to explain for the new new people, all we're doing is taking money from the general fund and giving it to the urban forestry fund. And then when the project's all completed, that money it's just like a short-term loan and it gets paid back when we get reimbursed everything. Okay. To suspend um McCiri, yes. Carol, yes. Phillips, yes. Foreman, yes. McClean, yes. Schoffner, yes. Okay. Motion to adopt. Yes. 2020 609. Forman seconds. Discussion. Roll call. Uh Mccuri. Yes.

Foreman. Yes. Carol. Yes. Yes. Shner. Yes. Phillips. Yes. We good there, Brian? Yep. Okay, we're going right on to the next ordinance. Ordinance 26. I need a sponsor for this. This is so we can get the rates done for the pool. Can I have somebody sponsor this? Thank you. Thank you, Gar. Ordinance 26, 2026 10, an ordinance establishing rates for the Baltimore swimming pool for the 19 for the 2026 and the declaration of an emergency. Sorry. Yeah, I'm a little behind the time. Where we at?

We're right here. Yeah. Where what time is it? Um, it's just so we can set the rates. So when the pool opens, we're we talked about the rates and stuff last time and we seem to be in agreements on it. So we're wanting to pass this tonight. Yeah. Just just so they can it can be done and they can get it printed and post it and swing self-pool memberships. He was good with all the change with the few changes we made. Yeah. Okay. Well, and it has been through committee. It has been through committee. Yeah. So, this came out of this I believe this came out of finance with the Yes, the guard just needs to suspend and then adopt. Let's suspend and adopt.

Okay. One at a time. Forman seconds on the suspend readings. See you there, Gar. Forman seconds Gar's motion to suspend three readings. Okay. Uh, Phillips, yes. Foreman, yes. Carol, yes. McClean, yes. Shaer, yes. McCree. Yes. Forman seconds scar's motion to adopt. Can we get a roll call on that? Well, you have to have discussion. Okay. Okay. Well, wait. Yeah. Go ahead. No, no, go ahead. I I'm getting confused. Discussion comes next, right? Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Well, this is a discussion. No, we're having the discussion about

this is the discussion. I just want to make sure I last time that we talked about this, we talked about um the parties and counting them as they went in. So, and we're going to make sure that beforehand, but what I just don't want to see is somebody saying that they have like what is the cut off? 50. 50. Somebody says I'm going to have 40 people and then that night some people said, "Hey, come come. We're having a party." And then you have 60. And does the person have to say 10 people have to stay out? No. No. No. No. They just said they they just pay additional need an additional lifeguard and how do you get them in? Right. Like that like that.

If I could address this. So I met with uh Brett Makavoy today. I'd sent him the changes that council had made at the last meeting and that being one right and he had concerns about that as well. And his concern is is that very thing. And he says, you know, if we have somebody who says we're going to have 48 uh 48 guests and he said, and then they've got family from out in a town or something, whatever, and they're like, "Hey, why don't you guys all come? It'll just cost you two bucks." And he goes, "And it kicks it up past 50, then they need more lifeguards." So, he's concerned about that as well. What he recommended is that we would offer something like a package one, package two, package three, and they're all based on 50. And then and a resident would just come in and choose which package that they would want. And then that way in advance, he would make sure he has enough enough um life instructors. But we just talked about that today and so he wasn't ready to really move forward with it. wanted some time to think about it.

Okay. So, I So, we can't pass this. I don't know what or we could amend that one portion. It's up to council what they would want to do. Well, do you know what he's going to want to amend it to? I I think that's what he's going to want. I think he's going to want to do he's going to ask council to not do the $2 ahead because it just becomes too unwielding in regards to bringing in lifeguards. But he did not. That was his gut response. So, it's not ready to be adopted then. Not last. Nope. Well, we'll have to do it at the next meeting. I But he's got until the next meeting to get figure out so we can at least all talk about into his defense. He did not know about that. Yeah, it's okay. It's okay. Yeah. Yeah.

What do we do now? I motion to adopt. I would ask them to withdraw it. I make a motion we withdraw the adoption. You don't even need You can just withdraw. Okay.

All right. Second readings. We have none. Uh we have a third ordinance reading which is a sponsor is Mr. Foreman. An ordinance to reszone 0 Baltimore Somerset Road, a 4.773 acre parcel known as parcel number 024257 620 and 5 Baltimore Somerset Road, 82.955 acre parcel known as parcel number 024257700 to suburban family residential Uh R2, that is the property over by Creek View. The gentleman is it? Isn't it?

No, this is Rogers. Oh, I'm sorry. East on East6. Yes. Is there any discussion on that? Well, um Okay. So, this one um is the the went through planning and zoning. This is Roger Woods east of town. um he requested an R3 reszone and was rejected on that and uh was approved for an R2 reszone and in some lot splits and uh it's been through three readings. So for me makes a motion to adopt. McCary second. Well, actually this is a third reading. So yeah, this is Yeah. Should we curry second? Okay. So now we just need a

discussion and then roll call. Wasn't there a discuss? that we discussed previously the drainage but that's separate from this. Yeah. That that when he this is the zoning aspect. We still have to approve his plat plan and when he brings in his plans and he still that's when that's when his job comes in. Oh, and they'll be we'll have to go over that very thoroughly. I had a good conversation with him about that the other day. Well, that's good. I'm confident in you guys doing that. Yeah. Okay. The last ordinance we're not roll call. Roll call. Roll call. Sorry. Foreman. Yes. McCra, yes. Carol, yes. Phillips, yes. Mlean, yes. Shner,

yes. Okay. And the last ordinance, we're not we're going to put that. I'm asking for a motion to Can I have a motion to table that? I also move which we're tableabling ordinance 202605. Second. Okay. Any discussion on that? Can we get a roll call on that softener? Um, the clean table ordinances. There are none. Well, hold on. I haven't done the roll call on this one. You threw me for a little sponsor. Yeah, I know. She She got ahead of me. She got ahead of me. I'm sorry. I'm usually pretty quick on that, but she got ahead of me. Okay, so let's go with Schoffner. Uh, yes. Mlean, yes. Foreman, yes. Carol, yes.

McCrae, yes. Phillips, yes. Okay. Now, now there are no more tabled ordinances. So, with that, well, we can you can do old business, new business. Last call for visitors can do. Yeah, let's do that. Is there any old business that somebody would like to talk about?

I just want to bring up that I mentioned about Senate Bill 63 last time that affects home rule and it was signed by the governor. Um, which means home rule is essentially dead in the state of Ohio. Really? I mean, it's at least it's crumbling. Um and our organization does not have standing to take this to court. Uh although there are a couple organizations that are looking at it right now, but um home rule is in very bad shape in the state of Ohio right now. Anybody else have any old business? Any new business to talk about? Yeah, go ahead.

Would you find out what the street lights you was going to call in. We had like 20 some street lights ain't working right. We did call back in again. Okay. And we got no response. Well, it's it's they put us on a list. Yeah. That that's getting to the point to where it's not acceptable. Is do we still pay the electric bill? Yes. Regardless. Yes. You got to pay it regardless. Although we all be off. Get a discount. Yeah. Something right there. We we do we have a name for contact? Tim has one. I'll get it. Yeah. And no, it forward it to me. I'll call.

They like when I call. So, um any new business? I'm sorry. Um I just I don't know if this is the appropriate time to say it, but if we've annexed new places, should we move our signs further out? We do. Okay. We do. Sometimes it's on both sides of the road. Yeah, that's the problem. Like out on Basel, it's not both sides of the road or at your house or two or my two sides. We moved to one Holder a couple times. Yeah. At my house, it's not on both sides. North of town a couple times. That That's why eventually I would say, but if it's not on both sides of the road, you can't.

Well, on 158, we moved them north even though it's one side of the road. Yeah. At my house, it's before you get to my house. Even though I'm annexed in, just depends on where. Yeah.

Right. 35 on one side and 55 on the other. No, that's not going to be that way here. Any of the other visitors have anything else to see? Yes, sir. that one thing y'all were talking about um resolution or something a long time ago. Terry Wise, the impervious surface. Yes, I was here. Mhm.

Now, I'm not real good in memory, but I thought part of the conversation was brought up was if somebody could go to their front yard and stone it all for a parking lot and make it impervious so that the drainage thing and that's what I thought for some reason. I was thinking that not swimming pools as much, but it was somebody doing a parking lot. And we get a lot of that where people dump gravel in their front yard and park in front of their house. You know, not always as just throwing 57 gravel down and make it impervious, right? Well, that's true. But, you know, I think that would be an as a we'd have to address every one of those unfortunately too because there shouldn't be a bunch of that happening anyways. Although, I just wanted to bring that up. Yeah. Yeah. Just going through my memory and I thought

that was way before travel was included. Yeah. Way before my time. Okay. One more. One more. Yes, sir. Mr. D, some details about the gas lines on Romeside and the water line funding that you said you

I don't have any details of when or I know that they are wanting to replace all the gas lines uh on Romeside. As far as the funding goes, we're trying to work on some loans to do to replace the water lines up there because that's and we're what what the plan was and it's not we don't even know if we can get the money to do it. But the plan was to try to do like one whole section like if we could replace all the water lines at Romeside and new streets then that's done. then go to them. Now, there's some bouncing around with other water projects as we get different loans or different grants or whatever we get. We'll take the money from whoever or whatever get it to us to replace them. Um, but that that's what that is up there.

But the gas is going from low pressure to medium pressure. Yeah. And I don't see I don't have the answer to that question. They were having to replace all the lines in order to achieve that. Okay. Um, that was just curiosity. Then I think before that you said that you had funding almost 98% in place. That's for that's for Jefferson Street. Jefferson and Elwood. Yeah. Yeah. That's been approved and we're working on all that up there too because we'd like to I mean obviously we want to do as many water lines as we can. Um it's just a matter of having the money to do it. I have a question.

Yeah. I saw where they are going to not I guess not you but this new uh the chamber whatever it is business association yes business association is going to have uh the um farmers market farmers market at bsentennial park and I'm assuming they're not having Don't look at me I'm assuming they're not having people get insurance so is that a liability on us that's a good question firm Mr. Ninheiser.

So they are not requiring so they're re Okay, let me back up. The farmers the farmers market the business association will have an insurance policy and we will be named on that policy for liability reasons. So it'll cover us. So it will cover us. Okay. But it will only cover us. I mean it will only cover the farmers market. It will not cover the individual vendors and what they're selling. Okay. So if someone sells something bad and someone gets sick, then that's on the vendor. They are encouraged to individually get insurance, but this farmers market is not requiring that as a part of their participation.

And I I admit that I don't think I've ever been to the farmers market and I don't know what kind of a crowd you get, but I guess I'm a little concerned about parking. I mean, well, they're also talking about doing there and then the street just like what was at the bsentennial or you mean? Oh, okay. Yeah, it'll be the same. But they're not going to be driving cars into the inside the on the grass. They'll have their own table set up with a church parking will be church parking lot. Church parking lot. That's true. Yeah. Okay. Okay. Just came. Are they cutting off? Is traffic going to be cut off on Basel? Yeah. Have they discussed that with the businesses already?

They h the part of the permitting process is they have to inform all the businesses just like by Centennial did. They've got to pass it through Brett and the the fire and Tim. So, they have a process through the permit process. Okay. And I'm just asking because I'm assuming they're going to have uh portaotties because unless businesses want people coming and going. I don't know the answer to that. That's a good question for us to ask tomorrow night. It wasn't that the first place you tried it. And I know why I'm asking this. You know why? You tried it. there. The original farmers market started there and then went to elementary and then ended up at doing a great job that I can tell you the restrooms were used frequently. I can tell you

so. And I they're probably coming in there buying drills when they're using the restroom. That's a good thing. All right. Anything else? I got a question. Yes. I forgot. Um I don't know what's going on out on 37. Has nothing to do with us. doesn't have Oh, I didn't know if it was water lines. Has nothing to do with is Yep. Has to do with Walnut Creek sewer district. That's I think that I think and don't quote me on this because I don't know for sure, but I think they are running sewer to uh Micro. That's what I think. They had annexed Capital Welding and Micro years ago with the promise of sewer that they've never delivered. You know, that sediment's coming down on 256. They're fulfilling a promise they made almost a decade ago.

Yeah. has nothing to do with us. Yep. Good question though. I I asked the same question. Anybody else? Okay. Thanks everybody for attending. Can I have a restroom? Yeah, you have exactly seconds. Get on. 47 seconds. However long it takes them to get out. I'm like, come on, guys. Take your time. Well, then I'll take that. Darl used to sit there. should get a text. That's all right. Sure,

guardian. It wasn't just me tonight. So they served the squatters out on Basel. We're on a fivem minute break. Then we're going to But I also saw people out there. We are entering executive session here at 7:45.