Board of Mayor & Commissioners - Regular Meeting

All right. Everybody ready?

Yeah. Okay. All right. Can everybody hear me? Okay. This is the City of Avondale Estates, Georgia. This is Board of Mayor and Commissioners regular meeting.

It is May 27th, 2026. It's now 530. I'd like to call the meeting to order. We have an agenda before us. Do I have a motion to adopt? Do I have a second? Second. All right. So I'd like to start off. Commissioner comments this evening. I did not receive a postcard, but I understand a lot of people in the city receive postcards asking them to go look at this website, Avondale FYI. And I was a little hesitant to bring this up, but this does bother me because I think it goes against a lot of what we're about. The website claims to be raising important questions and talking about things and writing these articles about the city and the way we conduct business and certain deals that have happened. And it's claiming to be, you know, about public discourse and, you know, information and transparency and all this stuff. But I'd like to point out a few things. I think a lot of what's on there is wrong and false. I'll give you one example. They did a two-part thing on the Department of Juvenile Justice building, which happened six years ago. But the short version is this. They want to give you this – version that basically like a city lost all this money and made all these bad decisions. But the reality is this, is we created a DDA. We financed the construction of this building. We didn't pay a dime for it. The state did. They covered the bond payments with their rent payments. But basically the DDA at risk invested $0 and about 22 years later got 11 million net out of it. Somehow that was a bad deal. I mean, I want some Einstein to explain to me how that was a bad deal. But the city got, I mean, the DDA got about as much as they could from the building. We got $550,000 in payment and live taxes. The DDA got a fee. We even got some extra rent out of it, but we invested zero and we got 11 million. But they want to make you think that we lost a ton of money somehow, which is absolutely inaccurate. So I don't think they have their facts straight. I don't even think they're trying. But then what bothered me about the whole thing, because anybody can write whatever they want. You know, this is First Amendment right. But people got on there and started making nasty comments, calling board members sycophants, calling Patrick a dictator, saying that we were doing all these things behind closed doors and we just do whatever the city manager says. And the moderator of the site, who is anonymous, by the way, didn't do one thing to say, hey, if this is truly about information and discourse, they didn't do one thing to correct that and say, hey, tone that down. Because you would think a good moderator would do that, but they didn't. They actually liked the comments saying that this website is the manager's worst nightmare. They liked the comment. The moderator liked the comment. To me, I think the other thing was that Let's see. You know, about how, like, we're just listening to the manager doing whatever. It's like, you got this backwards. We talk about things formally, informally, loosely, and then we start talking about them more as we get interested in something. We talk about the formally in a meeting. Eventually, we probably vote on it. Yeah. And say, Mr. Manager, can you figure out how to make this happen? And so strategically, we decide something. We say, hey, can you give us a tactical plan for making this happen? He comes back to us. He's a great manager. So generally, he goes back with a good suggestion. And at that point, we're like, all right, that's how we're going to do it. Sounds great. Let's do it. Whoever's writing this thing has it backwards, in my opinion. But the point is, I'm trying to make, and I don't want to give him too much oxygen, but They're going out of their way to write these stories that are just misrepresenting information, that are just skewing facts, allowing nasty comments to happen. It's not about information. It's not about discourse. And it's an anonymous website. We don't know who it is. This is not journalism. Journalism, they own up to it. They sign their name and say, I wrote this article. I'm proud of this. State journalism. This is just a hit job. This is nothing more than someone trying to take us down, being nasty about it. And that's not what we're about. We're about openness. We're about respecting one another. We are about discourse. We are about transparency. And, again, I probably shouldn't give them too much oxygen, but it just bothered me, and I just want all of you to be aware of that. If you've got any questions about anything on that website, come ask us. We'll tell you. But, you know, I'm going to defend the board. I'm going to defend our manager and staff, and I'm going to defend the DDA, okay, because I don't like this kind of nastiness, and I will say something about it. So thank you for letting me get on my soapbox. Sorry to start out with that. The now arrived humidity and you're enjoying your summer. Memorial Day weekend was a little soggy. But anyway, hope you all have a great, great rest of the week. And thank you for listening. All right.

Mayor Prokofiev. Thank you, Mr. Mayor. I'm just going to briefly echo the mayor's sentiments there. I didn't get a postcard either, but I have seen this website. And, you know, it is misinformation at best. And, you know, trying to intentionally mislead people at worse. And we're a small town, and I'd be lying to you if I didn't say that that kind of stuff does affect me. I don't know about the other commissioners, but I can imagine it affects them as well. And, you know, it makes us at least it makes me feel like, you know, people suspect me of having ill intentions for being here. And, you know, the only, you know, volunteering and signing up to run for this seat. You know, the only intention I have is to try to make Avondale the best it can be. I cannot make up for the past. I cannot change anything in the past. All I can do is what I do now. right here every meeting and how I conduct myself while I'm this chair. So, you know, so thank you, Mayor, for bringing it up. I think it needs to have attention called to it so people can know that we do see it. And, you know, and I'll just echo his sentiment, too. If anybody's got any questions, please ask me. I'll try to answer it. If I can't answer it, I'll try to find somebody that can't answer it. So that being said, then I just have two quick thank yous. I wanna thank the Avon Garden Club and the Avenue Estates Garden Club for the Memorial Day wreath laying out front at the Blue Star Highway marker. It was a really nice ceremony that we had Friday morning. So I wanna thank them for doing that. And then just thanks to the city staff And Ellen, especially for the weekend wind down we had last week. The weather was a little iffy, but it was still a fun night and a really, really great band and a fun time. So thank you guys for that. Thank you, Greg.

Yeah, just to echo a little more, thank you to all who gave their lives for this country, gave the ultimate sacrifice. There's just no... nothing more important or needs more remembrance than that. So I hope everybody had a great Memorial Day. I think just to, I won't speak too much because you guys so eloquently talked about it, but I think what is frustrating is that we here on the board are residents of this city and it's not like we're from this far away land and we're HAB-Jacques Juilland, We don't want what's best for this this place, and I think if you look around the city, you can see the results and the excellent job that our city staff to thank you for all you do. HAB-Jacques Juilland, I there's just this recurrent theme about like lack of transparency, which I think comes mostly from people that aren't involved in this. process if it's it's as transparent as can be it's just you you have to be involved and come to these meetings and um and you will learn everything that you need to know about what's going on um and there's lots a wealth of information on the website the city website as well i just think everybody you know things are happening and they have to happen you know um At a quick pace because things are always changing and people that aren't paying attention. They, they, they find it's the decision has already been made, but with Met much, much prior deliberation. It's just, they weren't involved in all the kind of the sausage being made prior to that. So just, just, I think it's important for everybody to know. It's like, you can find out everything you want to know about what's going on with the city. You just have to, you know, be there, be present and look at, you know, what we're doing because it is all out there, out for all to see. So, but thanks for everybody who showed up today. We appreciate you all. Thank you.

So along those lines, I am going to, the first thing I do later tonight, when I turn my phone back on, is I'm going to finish doing the Avondale Estates Comprehensive and Downtown Master Plan questionnaire, which I have been remiss. It's been a few weeks that it's been out there. It's in all of our email boxes, in the newsletters, on the website. Right here, there's a QR code right there. There are many places that the city has communicated to residents and made it easy to begin the process. So the questionnaire is the easiest one because you can sit on your toilet and do it. But other ways to do it are attending some of the events like the next weekend wind down and this last week at the Shake and some other events that are upcoming. I'm sure Patrick will tell us about those events. So this is the opportunity to bring up some good ideas. And I'll say one last thing. This is fun. These are actually kind of stimulating and engaging and fun. That's my favorite one, which is the big plan where you can show where you'd like to see things and where you see issues. The one with the hearts is where you can literally write strengths and challenges. opportunity, it's an interesting time. And I'm really looking forward to seeing how all those dots turn into actions soon. Commissioner Stanton.

I would like to thank you all for coming to my birthday party tonight. See how dedicated I am about to celebrate. Anyway, thank you all for coming tonight. I do have a, you know, I do feel like personal comments aside, I think that as commissioners, you know, we have to have thick skins because people don't always see eye to eye. People have different perspectives. And, you know, we need to, you know, I think address those issues when they come across. and uh you know um i think everybody has the right to have have an opinion on on how they see things or or whatever but um i just i think we you know like during the election i had a lot of false rumors right about me but you know i um You know, I dealt with it because I didn't have any choice. And, you know, everybody up here campaigned against me, but I'm working well with them because you put that behind you and you work positively towards a better future. So I just hope we can all do that and try to listen to each other and consider other perspectives and work together.

All right. Mr. Manager? Yes. Yes.

I have news on events for Commissioner Suazo. However, one of those was the survey that you spoke about. Regardless, this Saturday, Reformology Pilates kicks off its first anniversary with Pilates on the Green at 9 a.m. After finding your balance on the green, the festivities transition to the studio for a celebration of of Reformology Studio at 3.30 p.m. Also, please do not miss the last weekend wind-down concert of the spring season, Sunday, June 7th, featuring Blue Talk, funk for the whole darn family. This funk neo-soul groove band is sure to get you moving, whether you're eight or 80. Beverage and food will be available for purchase from Stroud Eats. That's a Cajun truck. Hoppa Kitchen, Hawaiian comfort food, and Banjo Coffee starting at 6 p.m. Music runs from 7 to 9 p.m. And after a break during the summer, the concerts will return this September. You can also ride, scoot, roll, or strut in the 4th of July parade. It's time to register to participate or volunteer in this annual Avondale tradition. Links are available online and in the weekly e-news. You can also scan the QR code that are located on signs at city hall. And as Louie mentioned, there is still time to provide feedback on the comprehensive plan and the downtown master plan. Check out one of the many ways to share your thoughts on the future of the city. You can take that 10 minute survey, which is open through June 14th. You can also give your input in person at a pop-up event, including pop-up events to be held On Sunday, June 7th at the Last Weekend Wine Down Spring Concert. On Sunday, June 14th at the Avondale Estates Farmer's Market from 10 to 1 p.m. And you can also come to City Hall through June 14th, Monday through Friday, 9 a.m. to 4 p.m. when the courtroom is available. Please call 404-294-5400 in advance to ensure access available. to the materials. And also I want to go ahead and extend our deep appreciation for those who have already provided their input and feedback. It's been very helpful. And we are very proud of the way this community responds when we have calls to action. So really appreciate that.

Okay, cool. Thank you. All right, all good up here? Okay. All right. Public comment. Yes, ma'am.

Show and tell.

Very benign. I don't know how to present it. Maybe I'm just going to ask this. Three minutes. Sure. Yes, I am. Oh, sorry. Okay. My name is Beth Langhorst. I'm from Sussex Road. I'm here this afternoon on behalf of the Avondale Lake Keepers, a volunteer group dedicated to collecting fishing tackle, hooks, and fishing line left at Lake Avondale, and the nearly 500 people who signed a petition hoping for support to make the lake a safe place for wildlife people and pets. I want to acknowledge this afternoon and thank the members of the BUMC, Liza Sedman, Louis Suazo, Fran Rainey, for meeting us at Fillet and helping us with advice. Michael Smith, we apologize for not inviting you. I've got away from us and our fledgling volunteer group has a lot of folks in it. But we do invite you now, as well as anyone on the UFC or city staff, to contact us at any time if you're curious about what we're doing next week. We thank our mayor and the city manager for the time they've given to this issue and for the announcement of new signage to educate the people visiting our life of the city's catch and release policy. We hope that this signage will include the accepted barbless hook and lure that is part of catch and release fishing techniques and that these barbed treble hook lures would be prohibited. You have before you a small sample of the non-catch and release lures. It's not a complete collection. Bringing it in its entirety would be unsafe. Again, thank you all for your efforts to mitigate the issue of dangerous lures and line being brought to the lake. We look forward to the new signage, which will be so very important with our growing population and with the sun-efficient season upon us.

Thank you. Thank you.

Thank you so much, Ben, Ruth, and Robin, and the rest of your group, for all you've done for our city and that part, taking care of our lake and our wildlife. We really, really appreciate it. Thank you so much.

Oh, yes. Stacey involved.

See your voice on where the first part of the survey. Anyway, I just wanted to publicly thank Dave and Shannon and all the folks behind them last week's meeting. Super informative. It's been a long time to pull it together, but we appreciate the dialogue.

Thank you. Bob? My name is Bob Tim. I live at 52 Dartmouth Avenue. First of all, I would like to thank everybody, Jonathan, all the commissioners, Patrick, Dave Peters, for all the hard work and action to make it all come to fruition. I think the downtown looks fantastic, so that's great. I do have my issue, is I've lived in Avenue for 43 years. I live across the street from the pool. Okay. I think Dartmouth Avenue is becoming a dangerous street. Too many cars, there are more strollers, there are e-bikes, there are bicycles, there are little kids, there are old people. I mean, there's just too much activity there. And I know that we talked about it before, but I do think it's time to address it. And this is a time when the pool is open, school hasn't opened yet, and I just hope that you feel it might be an important issue and that it might be put on the agenda in the coming weeks, okay? I've come up with a couple of suggestions. Some of them are a little bizarre, a little out there. We'll have to solve some of these issues, okay? I don't remember when we talked about resident-only parking, okay? I think we need to get that going, okay? Number two, I think that we need more signs saying slow down, Kids that play, we put them in various spots. Another idea is to put, which Lisa Shortell brought up, is to put a table bunk right where Clarendon Avenue meets Clarendon Place. And that's where we would assign slow down kids to play. So people will slow down there, okay? I think we should eliminate the parties, offering parties at the pool. I mean, at the park. What happens is, number one, the people take possession of the park. Because they rented it, it's theirs. And what they do is they really sort of take all the park. There was one time somebody bought it in a hotel, a blow-up hotel. I'm not kidding. It was near my house. They had a truck. They had to bring it in. They had to blow it up. But they have this attitude that it's their park. And It also adds at least 15 cars, if not more, to parking on Dartmouth than it goes up the street. Okay. So I think we should eliminate that. I don't know what the benefit is to Abaddon. I know we want to welcome everybody from the rest of the world into our town. But another idea I have is I think this is, you're not going to go for this at all, but I think this could make sense. If you looked at Clarendon Place and made Dartmouth Avenue going all the way up to Wilshire Drive one way. If you went from Clarendon Place all the way up to Avenue Road, make that one way. So it would become a V of sorts, but it would stop all. I mean, there's so much traffic in Dartmouth that cut through and out. People go this way and that way. They don't pay attention to signs. We only have one sign that says one way. The pool's open. I just think it's a disaster waiting to happen. I just hope that it does get put on the agenda. We do come up with an answer. Even the first step, I think, is to put resident always parking signs there. I think it's important and I think it's should be addressed. Thanks.

Anyone alone? Suzy?

Suzy Dieters to add on to Bob's talk about traffic and speed and stuff. I love that, I don't know what it's called, but that machine that the city has that sits on the side of the road and tells us i'm always educated every time it's like oh really i'm going to you know it's this big in my car and i see that and go wow um let me just always make sure it's out and running if i if i see it correctly i know you are it looks like it's solar powered so it's not costing the city any money if you want to put it in my garage clarendon avenue and watch it happen traffic head north on work days school days when they see the green light at South Avondale, I just would love to know how fast people are traveling. But the main thing is spread it out. Kensington Road has a traffic, you know, that still traffic is fast. My road has it. So just make sure that thing gets rotated all over the city, because you need to know that we're speeding, because a lot of us are. Thank you.

Thank you. Okay, seeing no further comments. And bring it back up here. Okay. So thank you all for your comments. All right.

First item of business we have before us. The meeting minutes of the May 13th, 2026 regular meeting in the May 13th, 13th, 2026 work session. Do I have a motion to embrace the minutes?

Yes.

Do I have a second? Second.

That's great. I'll say aye. Aye. Okay.

Okay. All right. Steven, Mr. Manager, are there any kind of special rules we need to talk about for the public hearing these next two items?

Um, it's not a zoning action. Okay. Okay. Yeah. So I think it's just a matter of whatever reasonable rules you would want to set in advance or otherwise just let people have, what do we normally do? Three minutes per person. I think it's very much 15 total. Yeah. In the past we've done, um, I think, yeah, I think 15 total sounds adequate to me. Okay.

All right.

John, say something first.

Sure.

We haven't. I mean, we haven't shown people this yet, have we? I mean, these flats. I mean, it seems like we're putting the cart before the boards and in the public hearing before we've talked about it in the work session.

We did, didn't we? Well, so let me clarify those comments, if you will. So state law requires a prescribed schedule for a preliminary plat submission, which includes a public hearing. However, there are a couple of things I want to bring to your attention right now. What you are hearing comment on and will be discussed later in work session is a submission to subdivide plots. As long as the plat itself, the preliminary plat submission is aligned with the city zoning code, and the impacts of the submission do not cause any substantial hardship for the city in terms of infrastructure installation, then there is not a reason to deny the submission, legally speaking, and could potentially place the city in legal jeopardy if it did so. This is private property. The private property owners do have a right to develop on that private property according to the zoning code and any variances that they have been granted. We've already been through the process by which variances have been granted. We have discussed at length the site plans and the intentions of the developer. This is really just kind of a formality or a step in the process. So while we do welcome you know, public comment per state law. The decision for you guys is really one that requires consideration of those two things that I've just mentioned. Is the plat submission allowed by code and or the variances that you've already granted for it? And does the submission create A significant hardship for the city. And when I say significant hardship, I mean, that it does not include infrastructure that would provide. Adequate service to the development that's being built. In this case, that's y'all's decision to make, but that's the criteria by which you should apply for making your initial or your final decision. So with that in mind, the way we have our meeting schedule set up where we do a regular meeting prior to our work session. And the items on the work session aren't to be considered until the following. We believe, you know, we actually exceed the state requirement here because we have opportunity for public comment through this public hearing. Again, we'll have an opportunity for further public comment after the work session. And then have opportunity for even further public comment prior to the next regular meeting. If our meetings were set up in a different form or fashion, perhaps we would have been able to have that work session discussion prior to the public hearing. But the advertising requirements that have been placed upon us by the state don't allow us to do so without calling a special called meeting. And I did not believe that it was. to the advantage of anyone to call a special called meeting, which would require not only participation by you guys, but also participation by staff in addition to what we're already doing tonight. So that's the explanation.

I'm fine with proceeding with public viewing both of them. Yeah. All right. So item number six. I'm going to have to read the whole thing. This is a public hearing to receive comment. Consider a preliminary subdivision plat application submitted by 278 Oak Holdings LLC to redevelop 13 acres with multifamily housing and single family slash townhome housing. The subject properties are 136 Laredo Drive, 2968 Perry Street, 147 Oak Street, 143 Oak Street, 2950 Franklin Street, and 2556 Franklin Street, Avondale Estates, Georgia, 30002. And our zone CBD-3, which is Central Business District 3, Avila Real Estate and Hedgewood Homes-Oak Street Parcel. So if you didn't hear our attorney, three minutes per comment, tentatively set a 15 minute limit. We're not doing pro versus against or for whatever. So anybody can speak for or against, doesn't matter. Sometimes we have to do that, where we have to allow people in favor to speak first and speak for the people who are opposed, but we're not doing that right now.

And I just want you to know, to inform the public, and I'm saying it right now, is that each public hearing is specific to the preliminary plat on that site. Right.

So, public comment. Anybody on the line?

Okay. Seeing no public comment, I'd like to close that hearing. All right. Item number seven. This is a public hearing to receive comment. Consider a preliminary subdivision Atmos Project LLC to redevelop 1.91 acres with single family slash townhome housing. The subject properties are 2804 Franklin Street, 2816 Franklin Street, 2820 Franklin Street, and 154 Olive Street, Avondale Estates, Georgia 30002. The subject properties are zoned CBD of real estate in Hedgewood Homes, North Maple Street, Harsel. Same rooms. Public comment.

That's a lot of houses, huh? It's all fathers' growth.

He lived in a restaurant.

Yes.

Julie.

154 Olive Street, is the wrecker service with all the cars, right?

So I'm in favor of less wrecked cars and more pretty buildings.

That's all I have.

Thank you. I agree with that.

Yes, the word. Oh, look, Michael Gargiulo, our family owns the property at 143 Maple Street and 2774 College. We are here today to express our support for the project in part, however, seeking clarity to understand the intent of the condemnation that was previously approved by this board on October 22nd, 2025. So Our understanding is at that time, the developer may not have had all of the property that they needed to complete. with condemnation against our family. So that to us didn't quite make sense. We're here also just kindly and amicably asking that the resolution be rescinded and full and documented in the public record because it's interfering with our ability to do business at that property. As you can imagine, if somebody tries to come take your property and, you know, it's the government. And when somebody wants to come by that property, they see in the public record that it's just been attempted to be condemned, that makes it difficult. So we're kindly asking that that be rescinded as you go forward through this process. I know the plot has changed a number of times. The other couple of issues that make our support for the project is the water runoff. The most recent plan that we've seen allows the setback of the residential properties to be right up against our commercial property. HAB-Jacques Juilland, This creates a number of different issues, as you can imagine, you know, also some liabilities as a commercial property with somebody's backyard literally right up against it, and we do have rules. HAB-Jacques Juilland, For buffers in the city stormwater runoff that kind of creates and there's also, you know, just emergency access up until the last design, there was going to be an issue with some of the emergency access where we understood. I don't know if that's been clarified. Our understanding is it hasn't been approved by the fire department yet. So that may also be something to look at and Yeah, right now, as I know many people know here, there's a lot of parking issues in the city. There is parking issues at our property as well. If we put a bunch of these houses in there, there's likely going to be more of these issues with the traffic and parking that goes on in the city. So that's kind of already a nuisance at our property. The condemnation issue is... more than an inconvenience to us as well. So if we could just get that rescinded and clarified, we'd certainly be appreciative. And thank you for your time.

Thank you.

Well, if I might add, just if we could have that done in 30 days, thanks to the rescinding of that. Thank you.

All right. Seeing no other comments, I will close the hearing. Okay. Moving on to item number eight. All right. We have before us a proposal for Lake Avondale Dam and stormwater rehabilitation design project. We will have a motion to approve. So moved.

Second. That was Libby. Lytle was second. Any questions, comments up here?

Okay. I'd just like to say I want to see this get going because the dam is critical and we'll see what we get going on in a minute.

Great. All right. Thank you. Any others? All right. Let's ask for a vote. All in favor say aye. Aye. That's five. All right. Thank you. All right.

I need to read the title of the thing I'm going to sign. Not really. All right. We have for us a document calling for participation in DeKalb County, Urban County, Community Development Block Grant and Home Program Requalification for Fiscal Year 2027 through 2030.

Do I have a motion to approve? So moved. That was Graham. Do I have a second? Second. That was Mike. Any questions, comments up here? All right. I'd like to ask for a vote. All in favor say aye.

Aye.

All right.

Very good. All right. One last item. All right. We have, of course, an intergovernmental agreement for paving of State Road 10 slash U.S. Road 278 between DeKalb County, Georgia, and the City of Avondale States, Georgia. Do I have a motion to approve?

So moved. That was Graham. Do I have a second? That was Lyda. Any questions, comments? Lyda?

Is this money going into the Capital Projects Fund?

So, this money, yes. It will come into the...

This is already spent to...

So, yes. Since we haven't introduced this, let me go ahead. The reason we brought this to the regular meeting rather than a work session is because this is a... kind of the back end of the work necessary to accept funds from the county. And months and months ago, The county, for lack of a better term, screwed up the progress of 278, which required us to repave a section of the roadway that we had previously paved. And we asked the county to reimburse us for that cost, given the fact that it would blow our budget. uh for the 278 project they agreed but that process for reimbursing us takes them a long time to complete And they finally were able to complete their end of the IGA. This IGA is very simple in nature. It allows us to be in receipt of these funds. The one caveat to what Commissioner Steadman said was that the funds, of course, come into the general fund as all funds that are sent to us do. And then we will ask you once we are in receipt to appropriate those monies to back to the capital fund. Okay, thank you.

Good. All right. So. All right, that's what about all that's fine. Okay.

All right, that concludes our business for the regular meeting. Do I have a motion to adjourn? Do I have a second? Second. Absolutely. All in favor say aye. Aye. See some new faces out there. We have a kind of new thing. We're going to take a break between our regular meeting and our work session, 10-minute break. It is now 6.13. 6.13. We'll re-adjourn at 6.23 at the table down there.

So, yeah, 10-minute break. Thanks. All right, this is the City of Avenue in the United States, Georgia.

Board of Mayor and Commissioners Work Session. It's May 27th, 2026. It's now 6... 23. 23. I can call the meeting to order.

We have an agenda before us, so I have a motion to resolve. Second. Second. Now, Glada and then Mike.

All in favor say aye. Aye. Okay. So, first item of discussion, 2026 Preliminary Tax Digest and Millage Rate Advertisement Discussion. Yes.

It's the most wonderful time of the year. Okay. So every year in May, we receive what the county tax commissioner's office calls the preliminary tax digest. which gives us a summary of the assessed value of all the property in the city. And I want to preface this by saying that at our next BOMC meeting, we will be updating the millage rate 101 presentation with the decision that is made here tonight so that we can explain how all of this works to the public so that they can be informed and understand the process that we are about to go through. Okay, so first things first. In order to set a millage rate for the year, the city is required to hold three public hearings and to advertise what is considered to be known as the tentative millage rate. So when you advertise a tentative millage rate and then hold hearings around that rate, you can decrease that rate before you set it permanently. But if you decide to increase the rate from the tentative millage rate, you start the calendar of public hearings over again. The issue with doing that is that we have advertising requirements, which require notice of a public hearing seven days prior to it actually happening. So theoretically, if you were to decide to increase the millage rate after advertising the tentative millage rate, we would have to very much act quickly to try and meet those advertising and public hearing requirements prior to setting the millage and delivering that rate to the county by their July 1st deadline. Okay, the advertising works like this. You have to advertise in what is called a legal arm of the county. There are two of those that exist in DeKalb. One is the Champion, which is the publication that we primarily use to advertise for public hearings or public notices in general. The other is the AJC. Now, the champion requires a seven-day lead time in order to place an advertisement to run. And that schedule is Thursday to Thursday. So if you want an advertisement to run the following Thursday, you have to place the advertisement within the previous Thursday, which places more constraints on our ability to navigate this entire process by the conclusion of June. Okay. We could also go to the AJC if we needed to, which only requires a day's notice. But the AJC is cost prohibitive, significantly cost prohibitive. So if y'all decide to potentially increase the millage rate above the tentative millage rate that we advertised, that would be the approach that we would most likely use because the time to submit and have that advertisement run is quite narrow, but you're paying an absorbent amount of money. So, laying that table, what do we need to do to figure out what that tentative millage rate is going to be? Well, the Information to determine what that millage rate should be by you guys is the tax digest, which I previously said gives you the total assessed value of property, real estate property, personal property, motor vehicle, ad valorem tax, and public utility tax. The digest that you have in your packet indicates an assessed value of property within the city at $507,348,876, which if using our last year's millage rate as the multiplier, projects an overall revenue generation of $4.845,182. Now, the entirety of that $4.845,182 is not general fund money. It also includes monies that would be generated into the 10. Okay. All right. So knowing that, let's talk about the growth from last year's digest to this year's digest. We had about $87 million worth of value growth. 47 million of that is our, I may have this backwards. Let me check my spreadsheet. 40 million of that is new growth, meaning not revaluation, but new valuation. So we have $40 million of new valuation in the city. Now, the overwhelming majority of that new growth which includes new development or substantial change to existing development. And revaluation is essentially you did nothing to your property and it's increasing or decreasing in value and gets revalued. This is new property or new development or substantial modifications which require new valuation. Now, most of that is commercial, okay? Then we've got about $47 million of revalued property, okay? Meaning property that has not been substantially modified or new development created that the county has determined needs an update in value, whether that is an increase in value or a decrease in value. the bulk of all of the $87 million of value increase is reflected in the digest in the commercial and or industrial lines. Are y'all following me? Okay. And about $13 million of growth comes from residential property. Okay? Now, that does not necessarily mean homesteaded property. That just means residential property. So that means property homes where people either reside, which is homestead, or homes that people rent out, which is a non-homesteaded property. Okay. So... Given the fact that the overwhelming majority of the growth in the value of this city is either commercial or industrial, the impact to revenue collection is certainly more intense or present in the TAD than in the general fund. The reason for that is we have a massive new development that has come online that is included within the TAD boundaries, which is the DALE. We also have some valuation increases on the properties that are being assembled by the Avila Hedgewood team. So our TAD collections are now outpacing what our projections to collect in the TAD were. So what does that mean? So that means that the speed at which those TAD revenues come in will increase as they're going out. If y'all recall, the DDA has entered into a contract with the Avila Hedgewood team to provide for $5 million of TAD generated funding, right, through 2031. However, it's set up to where if collections come in faster than that 2031, right, let's just say all of that $5 million comes in by 2028. I'm not saying that. I'm just saying if it did, those monies would be distributed to the developer for that agreement for the purposes of constructing that public infrastructure that we have discussed. And then any additional TAD revenues that are generated beyond those commitments? And remember, there's one other commitment from the TAD to the city for the match of the Transportation Alternatives Grant, which is going to pay for our shared street concept in the downtown area. What it means is that if the TAD continues to grow like this, if funds come in more quickly than expected, we will have, or the DDA will have the ability to expend those TAD funds elsewhere. For the general fund, interestingly enough, and I want to thank Commissioner Steadman for making a pretty simple spreadsheet that's easy to follow that we can distribute to you guys later. I don't have copies. But for the general fund, the revenue projections from this digest based on our existing millage rate pretty much identically match up with what our budget is. So if we left the mill and trade at 955 with this digest, we would most likely not need to amend the budget mid-year to reflect a change in the expected revenue generated. So that being said, I think it's important to know the following things before we start discussing the tentative mill and trade. which is, one, the existing millage rate with this digest matches pretty much exactly what our budget is. So kudos to Brittany for once again nailing that. She's online. We can all say, yay, Brittany. She's very good at the forecasting. But also things that we need to consider. Are the follow remember. Starting this year is what is called the base year. For the new legislation that was signed into law. That restricts valuation increases on an annual basis for homesteaded properties, right? And we have a lot of homesteaded profits. And the cap on that year-to-year increase, unless that property is transacted or significantly modified, is the rate of inflation. But it doesn't mean that all of our homesteaded properties will increase by the rate of inflation. It's all market-driven. So what we've seen over the past, I don't know, seven years really, is a real hot housing market in Avondale Estates, where values were increasing because sale prices were increasing, the market was hot, and our digest grew as a result. This year, that is not the trend in the residential area. We have about a quarter of residential properties that have increased in value, or a third of residential properties that have increased in value, a third of residential properties that have stayed at the same value, and about a third of residential properties that have decreased in value. So we need to keep that in mind as we are trying to project revenue takes for future years and how The millage needs to be set because of that political climate. And, you know, I say that because we all know, we've talked about this before, like once you lower a millage rate, it's a lot more difficult to increase the millage rate to cover any maybe poor forecast or bad misstatement. Uh, the other criteria that I think is incredibly important for us, which leads me to my recommendation that I will deliver in the next two minutes is that we have a gubernatorial election this fall. And, um, both of the Republican candidates who are in the runoff for the Republican party nomination have made it a part of their platform to further, um, impact The amount of property tax that can be collected either for further homestead valuation restrictions or a phase out of property taxes altogether. You know, those details have not necessarily been discussed at length because, you know, they're running for office. However, it is a significant criteria that we need to consider because we know Georgia is a tall sub-state. So there is a reality that is very much in play whereby one of those two men is elected governor and our ability to generate revenue from property taxes is further impacted. Given all of that stuff, My recommendation is to advertise the tentative millage rate at the same millage rate that we've had, the 9.55. Of course, as we get through this process, as I mentioned earlier, y'all will have the ability to decrease that millage rate potentially without any disruption to the procedure that we have to follow. Or if you decide to increase from that tentative millage rate, we will have to utilize the AJC to speed up that process and be able to fit it within the calendar. So tomorrow is Thursday. And if y'all recall, Thursday is a day that you submit an ad to the champion. So let's just say we set that tentative millage rate, you know, just discussing it. We send that ad to the champion tomorrow. It runs the following Thursday, which is June the 4th. And then we are well in the clear for being able to have all of our hearings in time to make the final decision that you need to make to set the military before the end of June. If we wait any, any longer, let's just say, um, we did not agree on a tentative military tonight. Uh, and we just kind of keep kicking that around until our next meeting on June the 10th. And we submit that, that, uh, advertisement on the 11th, it doesn't run until the 18th. Now we can't hold a public hearing until the 25th. So our calendar that we've already kind of got established will no longer hold. So that's why it's important for us to kind of just agree. Again, this tentative millage rate does not lock you into anything. It's just for advertising purposes. I also do want to say that We had more new percentage of our digest, far more new growth than any other city in Dekalb County, which is a testament to our economic development plan and our ability to execute that. So I think kudos to everybody. God will help. Did you hear that, Gators? Oh, he left. Oh, bummer. Okay, good. So that's my spittle. Any questions y'all have, feel free to ask them. I'll be happy to answer. Y'all can deliberate amongst yourselves, but that's my advice.

So you're saying we're going to advertise the 9.55?

That would be my recommendation, correct.

That allows us to go lower, but not higher without restarting.

Correct. Procedurally, yes. Correct.

Is this your first time to this rodeo? I'm looking to see. Okay. We have not set all the meetings for June yet.

Yes, I think we have.

I sent the schedule.

Yep.

Considerate of your absence.

Yes. I mean, I'm fine with it. I can't imagine it. Every time I see those commercials in the world, what do you think Kansas City's and Georgia are going to do? Just dissolve with? How does that work? That's a discussion. The notion of getting rid of property tax. I don't like it either, but it seems well. Counties, in schools, okay, no schools.

One thing I do want to mention is that both Commissioner Steadman's spreadsheet and what we were theorizing showed the same thing, which is a projected 3% reduction in value to assess value of properties going into the general fund. and a 98.5% collection rate, which has been our pattern. So that puts us, I mean, smack dab aligned with what we projected to receive. So that 955 number gives us exactly what we've got in the budget, which I think is important for you to know. So if we adjust it lower, we will have to amend the budget.

number doesn't really take into account deals and things like that.

Yeah, that's what we're talking about.

Yeah, that's the 3% reduction is due to appeals.

Yeah.

Which we anticipate less since we had some properties go down in value. I think so. Yeah. Like two-thirds, well, one-third go down, one-third stay the same.

Yeah.

And I agree with Commissioner Steadman's analysis here. So in some years, we calculate that reduction as a 5% reduction. Given the comparative valuations from last year to this year, I think the 3% is pretty reflective.

Well, if you look at the last three years, see it was 2.15 and 3.6 and 2.8. So three seems a good number to pick based on that history. You know, I think it's so important.

You okay? Yeah. All right. I think we're all fine with that. Yeah. Being advertised.

That's right. And we will be discussing this at every meeting we hold from now until the date at which y'all consider the military position.

Okay. Okay.

All right. Item number four, centennial-related activities.

Yes. Okay. So... Okay. Let me pull this up so I can get it on. All right. So... We have a centennial celebration coming up, which will be spread over a three-year period beginning this August. So... We have, the committee has agreed to four events, big events, meaning city sponsored events, to commemorate four different milestones in the process of the creation of the city. And the first of those milestones is this August. And as such, we need to appropriate monies for that activity and subsequent activities that we need to happen in order to prepare for this August's event and for the remainder of the centennial calendar. So in 27 and in 28, we can build that activity into the budget. But for 26, we are going to ask you guys to appropriate, essentially amend the budget to appropriate monies for the purposes of carrying out the centennial related activities the remainder of this calendar year. So we have provided you with a budget for those activities for the remainder of this year. The main expenditure we are requesting appropriation for is the Centennial Kickoff Gala, which is going to be the largest and most costly of the four Centennial related events. We have a budget that the committee has developed a budget. For that event of 24,000 dollars, it's a significant event. It will also be ticketed. And we are also offered, we are also going to be offering. what you would consider to be a sponsorship package to individuals and businesses to help us offset these costs. So I do want to stress that the expenditures that we're going to ask you to appropriate funding for as contained in this budget will be offset in partiality by the ticket sales and the sponsorship sales. The remainder of the activities we're asking for you guys to appropriate funds for are essentially kind of the the merch and communication materials that we need for the purposes of executing these activities. So you'll see streetscape and signage and marketing and communication and community engagement items here. That's what I'm talking about there. The other is that the committee has agreed tentatively on providing funds lesser amount of funds for six approved community-led events that are Centennial-related. Two of which will be awarded in 26 and four of which will be awarded in 27 and are not containing this budget. So the 4,000 for that is because we are going to approve partial funding of community generated events in addition to the large city sponsored events that are being organized by the Centennial Organizing Committee. Make sense? Yeah. What we'll do is we will have a budget amendment that we will create and bring to you guys to reflect this appropriation into it. A 51-50? A 51-500, yes.

Is there any chance there might be some savings in our budget that might cover this?

Yes, yes. I just want to make sure the appropriation's there. Got that. Yeah. For sure. But as always, we see expenditure savings throughout the year. And of course, money is generated from tickets and sponsorships will also help to offset this from a revenue standpoint. So I think the impact on the budget is going to be real minimal. But for the sake of making sure the monies are available, we have to go through that process.

So this is something we will vote on next meeting. We'll begin the ordinance process.

You could do that too. You could go to unanimous consent to appropriate those loans.

You're going to bring it anyway. We can toss it out there if it happens.

That's right. All right. So we will read this, I guess, first time. Correct.

And it'll be a singular, it'll be a singular amendment to the budget, which will be a line item that says centennial related activities.

The only question I have is about the kickoff. The ticket sales aren't going to cover the whole thing? No.

Well, here's the

city money for an event that's not open to every...

It is open, but it's in numbers. They have to buy a ticket. That's right.

But it is open to anyone.

Open to anyone that buys a ticket. Correct.

Well, we're still working that out.

Now... You see what I'm saying? It's hard to expend city money for an event but celebrating the city that isn't, you know, not necessarily open to anybody because not everybody might not have the dough to spend on a ticket.

And then the capacity of the space.

The capacity of the space. Yeah, we're spending the city money on it.

Well, it's a city event.

It's a city event. It's not. Like, I consider a city event, but we didn't wind down where you show up, you can go, you can have a good time. Whereas this is, yes, you can come as long as you buy the ticket. And I don't know how much that ticket, the ticket's $5. It is not. I know it's not. If the ticket's $5, I'd be like, hey, most folks can probably spread about five bucks if they want to come. If the ticket's $100, $150, or $50, or $75, that's going to be a tougher ask. So here, let me explain this for you.

hear what you're saying. This event acts as the fundraiser for all of the Centennial related activities. So at the end of the Centennial related activities, we're hoping to have a complete offset of the cost to run the events with monies left over potentially to go toward a legacy project, which would be a permanent installation somewhere in the city. So yes, there is an initial outlay, but the monies coming back go to offset that cost and provide for a permanent installation. Otherwise, we can't have the event because there's no way to produce. Yeah.

I see it. It's just a little bit of anything.

Sure. So at the end of the day, we're hoping that, you know, after all of the centennial activities are done, the monies raised offset the cost of production and are able to offset some of the cost of the legacy project so that the taxpayer is not going, the taxpayer dollars are not being spent in vain, so to speak.

Yeah. That's coming back to us. Yeah, I see, I see.

Item number five, exception of preliminary flat applications for .

Yes. So, all right. As I was trying to suggest earlier, this is part of the procedure a developer has to go through before they can obtain permits to construct their development. The rationale or the reason for this is because the land that will be involved in the development of this project has to be assembled and then subdivided in order to create new lots. And so this process shows to you the tentative, essentially, plan for subdivision to create those lots, okay? Our code, has subdivision requirements, and this is part of it. So the board has to approve the preliminary plan for subdividing those lots. And then we'll also have to come back and approve the final plat or the final subdivision before the developer can proceed to obtaining the permits for construction. Now, they also have to go through a lot of other steps with agencies that are not us, like the county, to make sure that, you know, they have approval from the fire marshal for fire clearance so that they have, you know, water and sewer hookups, those types of things. So this is kind of the first step in the non-zoning decision process of getting to develop this project. So what you have before you, and we can kind of take these as two things if you want, is the preliminary plant for subdivision from both Avila and Hedgewood. And what you'll notice is that the entire oak site is had a preliminary plat submission, but not the entire Maples site. The only part of the Maples site that y'all are considering for approval of a preliminary plat is the Edgewood piece of the Maples site. That is because the Avala piece of the Maples site will be a later phase and may not even require any subdivision. if you were confused about the acreage of the maple uh submission and looked at the map and saw that it was just the hedgewood piece and wondering where the avala piece was that's fine also i want to reiterate to you guys as we move through this process what i said during the public hearing before the public hearing which is um We don't want to put ourselves in an adverse legal position by denying the preliminary plat submission for reasons other than the reasons that I mentioned at the time, which are, does the submission follow the zoning code and the variances that were previously granted from the zoning code? Or does the submission create a hardship for the city in terms of the infrastructure that is being proposed on the site? And when I say infrastructure, I'm talking about, you know, roads, sidewalks, paths, stormwater detention. So, open it up for questions. They're probably going to be better answered by Stephen and Shannon than they would be by me, but that's the entry line.

I have a question. So, I can see it better on this shared streets map right here. And, you know, Washington was kind of meant to be a through street, you know, sprinkling that couldn't work out in Washington. So what I find awkward is where Perry breaks up and then Washington continues. I don't understand why. And then there's new streets. I'm coming over so I can understand what you're saying. Okay. Sometimes I've fallen back. Okay, so they've got homes here and here, right? So what I don't understand is instead of this, this, and this, why couldn't we do that? Because these are existing streets. Is that right?

Yeah. I think there are two reasons why this may not be the one. So what Commissioner Steadman is noting is that there's a little job there's a jog in the site plan. And they're showing a path that would be aligned directly through. If you took a straight line and did that, when you get to... It's hard to say. When you get to... What is that? This is pottery, and this is... But it jogs around. I didn't see that at all. And so it's a combination of things. So yeah, you're looking here. So there's a path that comes through here. And she's asking, why not put a rose? Some of that is the way that we talk. Neat. asking why didn't it go straight to it oh i i see what you're saying because it's an existing condition well it is an existing condition and there are turbo issues as well as the way that the zoning was approved was the was to do the pathways what i would offer is there are some advantages i mean i i think we were looking for creating a way for people to get through downtown, but not necessarily to race through downtown. So this provides that kind of access, and the pathways provide, you know, an alternative on how you access through your bike or walking. So that was, and that's just the way, I mean, that's the site plan that we approved as part of the zoning code. Okay, so that were kind of a variance that y'all granted.

No, that is those roads are an existing condition, so they don't have to build it. They're not required to build a road through there because the condition already exists.

Well, I agree with the logic there that it's more conducive to the neighborhood feel and function of it if you don't have a road blasting through it. Connectivity and access are still can do there that are approved there. Please. It's not it's not only what we envisioned, but neither was what Ed proposed. And think about the territory a little bit. It's just it's more conducive to having a cohesive, safe feeling. Neighborhood, you know, cluster of housing legends. I was not. We always thought about these streets going straight through but It just doesn't work.

I mean, sometimes we just go to those.

Go to any city in the world.

Now, those streets will be improved. Um, to the standard as outlined in our zoning code. So, um, right. So, so, um, when you're developing. And, uh, adjacent to the right of what it is, there is that requirement to improve the standard of the street. If it's not. If it is what we consider to be substandard. And most of our downtown roads are currently substandard to the prescription of a standard that now exists in our zoning code.

So these new streets, are they going to be city-owned or?

The new streets?

Yes. Correct. And in fact, the next item we'll talk about kind of how some of that will materialize.

I can add just a little bit on that. It's like, so the preliminary plat is a plane. The final plat is a survey of what was actually done. The vertical So at that point, when they get that done, then the city's building official goes and looks at it, affirms that the road is the right asphalt, the right width, right sidewalk, etc. And if all that looks good, then the city accepts or approves the final plan. That gets recorded, and that's how the public infrastructure becomes officially dedicated to the city and then

property in our responsibility so what is the next action for item number five or is that kind of a little six is about um so now okay six is different okay so what's the next action on five the next action on uh yeah on five um

would be, we are going to bring it back to you at our next regular meeting for adoption.

Yeah, that's correct. We will vote on the next meeting. Okay. Everybody good on that one? I'm good. So I'm number six.

Yes. All right. So, Stephen, you've been knee deep in this one. So you want to just tell me? Sure. This is the property exchange. Yes. Okay. Okay. So. Okay. Okay. All right, we have talked about aspects of this before. There was formerly a public street known as Franklin Street slash Potter app running east west. abandoned it so currently that is some property it's not officially legally a public street it's just some property that the city ends okay so that's we'll call that area one and um we're following up on that after we abandon the property abandon the road aspect we now have some property the city under state law as the ability to dispose of the property, which means to transfer it to private ownership. There's various ways that that can happen, including hiring a real estate agent or holding a public auction. But first, you as a city are to give the original owner of the property the opportunity to buy it back. um if that is transpiring within i think 20 years of the city acquiring property then you know it the law assumes that you know who the owner was if not you may not which we don't because that street's been here longer than we have so that part frankly we don't know about the city did not the city did own it the question is like so take a imaginary situation where these laws are mostly written for the department of transportation so in in this hypothetical g dot is building a highway and it goes through farmer jones's rural property if for some reason they decide to close that property Well, they've got the records. We went and used eminent domain on Farmer Jones, and now it's his chance to get this back. Exactly. That's what I'm saying. So we don't know who the city acquired this from way back whenever that road was built, which we don't even know when. What we do know is who owns the abutting properties down there. so we sent out letters to those property owners there's four they are the folks that own property to the north and the south of this road because it is an east west road so we offered each of those property owners are you interested in acquiring this property repair market value you receive back Three responses that said we've assigned that right to Avalon's development. A response from Avalon that said we would like to acquire it, but rather than buying it, we propose to do a property exchange with you. Okay. So Georgia law allows... This is all ways that the city can do a transaction without having a public auction basically. And one of those ways is to transact with the abutting owners of abandoned road products. the requirements are essentially that the city have an appraisal of the property that it's getting and the property that it's giving and what we are receiving is at least as valuable as what we are giving to the private owner so avila has proposed to the city to exchange But two for one, it's changed, where the city would give up primarily the abandoned Franklin that we just talked about. Secondly, a little area, like a tenth of an acre, I think, of what is called remnant property. It was not used when we built the new and improved Washington and Lake Street in connection with building out in the town. Right. So there's just a little bit of area at that corner, the northeast corner of Lake in Washington, which is just a sliver of property between the public streets and property that Avila already owns. There's nothing that can be done with that property by itself because it's tiny and crescent shaped. So there's another state statute that says The city can dispose of remnant properties. It couldn't be built on by themselves. By selling it to the, uh, or transacting with the neighbor, if that'll be convenient for the development of the city. Okay, so we got 2 city properties that meet these. State law. criteria to essentially do a private transaction rather than a public auction. Now, so what is Avila offering in exchange rather than money? They are offering a seven-tenths of an acre of property that is located at the low point of the downtown on the concrete wasteland is what I call it, the former Georgia ducting portage. That's where the water for the whole from out at that street to there tends to go because of the topo. And the city is in need of such a area to detain or retain stormwater to alleviate flooding in the downtown. so avila obtained the surveys from uh cv richard ellis which excuse me appraisals not surveys which is a very reputable appraisal group and the numbers are in the resolution but essentially what they're offering us is worth like 180 percent of what we would be getting

Yes, and we're also, if y'all recall, some of the funding that the DDA has pledged to the development group. is to assist with the construction of the stormwater detention. And so why is this of interest to us and not something that they can do? Because they have agreed to build it so that it detains stormwater that exists outside of their property areas. So they're detaining stormwater on their property for us that they wouldn't otherwise have to detain. Okay. And so that's why we want the property itself so that we can be in control of its maintenance so that we can guarantee that it will continue to detain the water we need it to detain, which is outside of the project area and not their responsibility.

Right. Otherwise, we wouldn't have the legal right to put our water on that property.

So, I mean, for a development this size, don't they have some stormwater retention requirements?

Oh, yeah.

This is bigger than...

Correct. So they're not only detaining their required stormwater, but also a whole bunch of other stormwater that's coming from property that is not.

So is it... And this is what we're talking about.

Yes. Turn it around. Yeah.

Okay. So basically, they're going to build this. It's going to look like an amenity.

Yeah.

And the DDA is putting $780,000 into this? I think it's $670,000. $670,000. And it's going to take stormwater runoff from Laredo?

It's going to, no, no, no, the opposite way. It's coming from, it's all of the, it's pretty much all of the downtown's water flows to that.

Well, an awful lot. Yeah, an awful lot. From 278 towards water tracks. So, we've actually, I mean, we've been talking about this, this notion of overbuilding their retention for our use for years and they have always been so this is really yeah it was just something we kind of hung out there and they're like don't bother that well this is just how we're actually finally nitty-gritty and working it out and so it's what's this little squiggly lawn here tubas

It's a path. Is it going to be, is it going to be on a bridge? It might be water.

Isn't that just tubas?

I think it's a boardwalk.

Is it? Really? Okay. I just thought it was some remnant. Well, it's a boardwalk to go over that, but.

Okay.

it might just be some remnant lines they didn't delete.

So the thing I think we need to keep in mind is, again, the value of the land they're proposing to swap with us is 180% of the value of the land that we are swapping them and We get stormwater detention and it's as an amenity, it's not an eyesore, so they can use it to sell homes, which is of import to them and why they have agreed to detain water outside of the project.

Do we know how much the whole thing is going to cost to do?

The whole stormwater? No. No.

I mean, they're going to have to do their construction. Some aspects of that are still being engineered. Yeah, I mean, we've got an idea.

It's pretty much halfsies, if you will. So, you know, given the fact that after water is going to be on our system.

So we will take over maintenance of it. So we'll have to maintain it?

Not necessarily. Since it's ours, that gives us a maintenance right so that we can always guarantee that it is not closed off to collecting the stormwater that is off their project site.

Okay, but what if it needs... you know, repairs or whatever kind of maintenance.

We will have the right to do that on our own without

But we have to pay for that. They wouldn't have to pay.

Well, it just depends on the scenario. Okay. The reason for us owning it is so that we retain that right to do whatever we need to do to ensure that the water we need to go into it continues to go.

And that's consistent with all our stormwater facilities throughout the city?

Yeah. So... You know, my question, so this is something that we will vote on next meeting threat. This is a 1. Yeah.

Not an ordinance.

So, okay. All good on the items in the work session. Okay. Can you just.

talk about the role of the process that yeah as you mentioned yes public comment previously now there was public comment a week ago and

Yes. So our zoning code calls for the PAZB to hear the matter themselves, which they did last week, and to provide a, you know, non-binding recommendation to you guys. That recommendation is contained in your materials. They recommended approval of the plan submissions. And before public comment. Yes. During this. So you had essentially comment at the PACB, comment tonight at public hearing, comment tonight after this, comment again at the regular meeting prior to, yeah, so you're right. Yeah, okay. Yes.

Yeah, you're right. All right, all good?

Yeah. All right. Public comment? Any online? None. All right. Do you want to launch? Launch? All right. I'll bring it back. Thank you all for being here this evening. We do appreciate it. And good evening. Did I motion to adjourn?

Motion to adjourn.

Do I have a second? Second. All right. I'm going to say aye.

Aye.