Planning Commission - Special Meeting

regulations regarding automotive automotive and equipment sales, rental and leasing manufactured home dealers. And at this time, I will call on the staff for report. Morning. Good morning. So, you guys do have copies of the staff report. It's very similar to what Sorry, I guess I can talk in the mic so I don't yell. Um, very similar to what you saw last time. I did add a couple more items in there um that came up in conversation. Um, so the first one, so we had talked about a very specific site for a car lot. So I included those dimensions on here of what that proposed lot is at 23,000 square ft. There's an existing building on that lot and that's 2400 square ft. There's also an accessory storage building with a garage or a separated garage and that's 1,200 square ft. Um, so the remaining lot area for I'd say car sales would be approximately 19,000 square feet, almost 20,000 square ft. Um, we had talked about different parking requirements for this type of business. We usually follow there's like a national parking standard. So, we can get online. So instead of having like specific parking amounts for different businesses, we get online, they have those classifications, and then we type in like either what the building square footage is or what the square footage of the lot is or the remaining lot. Um, so the first bullet point there that says three spaces per 1,000 square feet of gross floor area, that's what the national parking standards um would require. and they go off of for this type of business, they go off the square footage of the building that's on the site. And that would be equivalent to 11 parking spaces. And then one of those one of those 11 would need to be

ADA compliant. And um it need to be ADA van accessible. Um and then that number jumps up to two spots, I believe, when you reach 20 or more parking spaces. Um, one of the provisions that I had in the draft was one space per 3,000 square ft of sales area. So, that would be of the 19,758 square ft that's left over. Um, and that would be equivalent to seven parking spaces if we were to put that revision in there. So, I guess it's just kind of a preference on if we want to regulate the parking for a car lot, if we want to stick with going with the national standards or if we want to have a special use standard just for car lots to allow one per 3,000 square ft. Um, they did mention that they were going to have two employees there. So if you have seven spaces, one is ADA van accessible, you have six remaining spaces, they were going to have two employees. Um, so that would leave four spaces for customer parking. I'd also like to remind you they have two service bays. So they have one service bay in the existing building and then that accessory structure has a garage door as well. Um, and so one of the cities that I had looked at was requiring spaces for each employee and also each service bay. So, I'm sorry. Oh, okay. Yes. So, I'm not recommending that portion. I'm recommending sticking with the one space per 3,000 square feet because that will provide a spot for your ADA. that will provide adequate parking for employees and also for remaining spaces for

customers. Um, sorry, I can move through some of the other changes as well. Um, so when you get down to the draft language, anything highlighted yellow on the on up on the screen and on your copy is something that's been added from what's currently in our zoning regulations. I have the parking area highlighted blue here because that was still kind of an open discussion for us this evening. What I've added that's not in your staff report that you have is what is in red font right now. And that's item L. And I added shall be subject to compatibility buffer requirements per article 7. And then item N is going to address your maximum lock coverage which I've increased 100% subject to all applicable setbacks and buffering and or screening requirements. So they may not be able like if it's a de a lot that's already been developed that's already full of concrete they're going to be at 100% without those setbacks. If it's an undeveloped lot that still has a grass area they're going to have to abide by the front setback, the side setback, the rear setback will have to remain some sort of like grassy area. The rest of that law outside of those setbacks can be 100% impervious surface. So I'm happy to stand for any questions right now or if you would like to go ahead and open the public hearing and then we can close the public hearing and then have more discussion. Um, whatever you prefer. Is it okay for us to ask you questions during the public hearing or would you prefer those after? Yeah, that's okay. Okay. Yeah. Well, at this time, I'll go ahead and open the public hearing and um if you

guys have any questions you want to go over Cammy based on what she's talked about, we'll go over those now. And then if anybody from the audience has um any comments, we'll do that as well. If there's no public comment, I would recommend closing it and then we can finish our discussion. Okay, I'm going to go ahead and close the public meeting at this time. Okay, Kyle, I have a couple questions. I hope I can answer. So, I think if if I'm remembering correctly, when we talked about this last time, um, one of our items of concern was are we how many other lots we're changing stuff for? Yes. Okay. Um, I did include a map in the staff report. So, might be try and make it so it's not too blurry. Um, so anything C3 will be red on this map. Um, and this comes straight from our GIS system. Okay. Um, so this everything here is north. The really large map is going to be north of 7th Street. The smaller map is going to be everything south of 7th Street. And then when we're talking about these these spots in red, these C3 spots, are we talking about this would change their lot usage just for if they wanted to run a car dealership or in this case a car dealership? Correct. So the text amendment we were looking at was just for that specific use standard in the book. So this lot coverage will only apply to the car lots, not to other C3 businesses. That was my concern because there's other C3 businesses you could

have. We might not want them to have 100% lot coverage, you know, on those. Um, thank you. I'm on my aame today. How much coffee have you had already? One. One cup. Not enough. I'm ready. You must have got your eight hours of sleep. Yeah. For clarity, we we talked about what you're to your point, Diana, the this the space of parking the one car per thousand square foot. Is that what we what you had mentioned? It's the one that the we said 3,000 one for 3,000 square feet. We had talked about that last Wednesday. I thought of the reduction of that. Did we? I don't recall. I wanted to go back and do the math um because I didn't know exactly what the national standards would require. So, I wanted to be able to show you the difference between the national standard for car lot and then if we did the one per 3,000 square ft. So, we can clearly see that if we did one per 3,000 square ft, that is a reduction in the amount of spaces compared to the national code. So, if we if you want to go with the one per 3,000 square feet, I'm happy to cross this out um before you approve anything. Well, even the thousand square feet that's is I mean was seven with seven. I mean, that's I mean, obviously that's too high. I mean, I think that's for that parking lot to only hold seven cars is pretty empty. That's employee parking, not like I was thinking the other way. I was think Hello. That's not Yeah, that's not roomate cars. Weren't they saying 10 to 12 or 15 cars? That's what I wanted to know was what did we decide on that? Did we This is just customer parking and employee parking.

I'm clear. So, there'll be seven public parking spaces. One needs to be a van accessible, so that'll leave six. They have two employees as they stated, so that would leave four public a public open spaces for customers. Do we set a limit for sales cars? Then I did not include a limit for sales cars. It depends on how close they're going to put them together if they don't mind door dings. And you know, they could they can put lifts in there. Well, I think it says can't put lifts in there. You can't put lifts in there. Um it I put something about You're always trying to push the envelope trying to get extra things. No. Well, I did that at the corner, but back in the back. Why Why would you not I I don't know. I just know it's in here. I don't know. I thought it was thinking about like, you know, how they Mo Hamilton pass it every morning on ramps, you know, which does catch your attention. So, um, but I don't know if you want it at that corner. Yeah. So, um, not at that not right on that corner, but back in that lot it would work, right? So, a lot of that lot though is cut. It has the building back there and then that accessory structure as well there. I would assume there would not be a whole lot of room back there, but maybe a little bit. I didn't bring it to our I mean it was in the last stuff and they they didn't request this is not the heel I want to die on. So I mean if it becomes an issue I'm happy to bring a revision, but we also have not received a request for elevated platforms. Sounds like you might want to open a car dealership with you. I think it'd be really successful. That's all right. Uh we did not but we did not set a limit for the sales. I think it would be a little bit more difficult just cars are all different sizes and yeah I don't I

don't think we would enforce it and go out and count cars. So yeah, they'll still have to have so there is a requirement for a site plan review um by our office. So they still need to show us where those the sales portion will be and then they'll need to be site circulation. So they will not be able to just come in and pack the whole area full of cars without any sort of sight circulation through for walking and even they'll need to get to their service bays as well. Um so they'll be limited on the amount of cars they can put in front of those bays. They concreting the rest of that drive. Yeah. I I don't think so. Well, those were my concerns, too. The same ones that you guys all brought up was how many lots we're changing it to. You know, is it only for this specific use? What's the lot coverage? And then the parking. So, so you need would need a motion for this amendment. Correct. I would. And if it would, it would be to approve kind of what's up here on the screen. in the staff report. So, I have certain things xed out. So, I'm happy to go through them individually or if you just want to take a little bit to kind of read through them and if there's anything that anyone disagrees with approved Z20 a section

10 regarding automotive or equipment. sales rental or leasing with the changes as outlined in the staff report. Okay. As outlined in the staff report. Okay. Yeah. I have a first and a second. All in favor? All right. Motion carries. Oh, who's seconded? Okay, next item we're going to 202507 proposed amendment to section 10.36 of the adopted zoning regulations regarding self storage uh comma commercial and we'll give back to Cammy for a staff report on this. Yes. So very similar to the last one. Um again the staff report provided everything is there really wasn't anything added to this one except last night well and yesterday I had an opportunity to talk to Kevin Unrin who is also here in attendance um and just being in the business kind of provided some of his perspective. Um so we did make some changes to the staff report um based off of those conversations. So I will go through what those changes are now. Um one of the changes was to item E. Um so I had included no vehicle or equipment storage um including recreational vehicles and based off of our conversations we included the word no outdoor vehicle and equipment storage um including recreational vehicles. Um, that's just so if someone has a a vehicle or a piece of equipment within an enclosed structure, they're still allowed to have that. Um, and really the intent was to keep it from outside and

if it can fit in the structure, then then that's okay. Um, another item that was changed, um, I eliminated item H here, that the site shall meet hard service paving requirements per article 7. Um, and we had included 24 feet in between the drive aisles. Um, I've added something to I thought it was towards the bottom. Um, it's item N. I've added where it shall still be subject to our off- streetet parking and loading requirements in article 7, which is our paving requirements, except that drive aisles may be exempt. So drive aisles may be able to be gravel, but we will work through that during the site plan review process. Um because we still need our approaches to be concrete and then depending on if there's we talked about if there was office space. So I just kind of felt like this wording was the best way to handle that. If there's office space and they need public parking, excuse me, we may require that to be concrete or asphalt, but the drive aisles themselves and the back would be allowed to be gravel. Um, let's see. I exed out item J here. Vehicular ingress and egress must be limited to one point for each side of the property abuing an artillery. And I updated that language in item K. Primary ingress and egress shall be provided to the adjacent artillery street with one additional driveway may be accessed off of a local or collector street. And this came from if you had ideally we would want these businesses on a major street um like Walnut or Ohio coming off onto a major street. If that business is on a corner lot and that side street is a collector or a local street, if it's a corner lot, they'll be able to exit off of there. So they'll have to have an

approach off of the main street. They're allowed one additional if it's off of a local or collector on the other side. Um item L, this is when a storage unit is near like a residential zoning district and if the outside, so if you think of a square, if the outside units have doors and there's residential areas on those sides, they would need to have a 15t setback between the property lines. So right now our setbacks are 5 ft on the side. So if you had a storage unit again and there was a residential zoning district on the other side, you would need to recognize 15t sight set back. Um item N we touched on with the drive being able to be gravel and then I added item Q here. your maximum lock coverage is allowed to be 100% subject to the setback and buffering and screening requirements for this type of business. Um, so I'd recommend opening the public hearing. I know Kevin's here and can provide some insight as well. I sent him some of these revisions late last night. We haven't had an opportunity to talk. Um, but I'm sure he'll have something he'll want to say and then I'm happy to answer questions. Okay. Okay, at this time I'll open the public meeting public hearing. Kevin, if you want to come up address us be great. Sorry, I didn't even touch on the shipping containers. I'm sorry. We know who you are, but you probably have to state who you are and your address. Thank you. And I do.

I don't know how things kind of work. Yeah. I have to be sh And there is a line in here that says pre-fabricated shipping containers shall not be used as storage self- storage units. So, we talked about this for a while yesterday. I think there's a compromise that can be made. I just couldn't get comfortable with the wording before I brought it to you today. I'm also worried that it might muddy the waters a little bit to get these other items passed. So it may need to come up, may be better for it to come up as its own separate item. Like if you get somebody that wants to do something like that on one, they come to us. We review a site plan, see what this Yeah. And look, and I can come back and add some language in there where that's something that comes back to the planning commission for review if that's what you would like. I I just I didn't I wasn't comfortable

with how to word that to be able to He brought up some good points, but I also want to make sure I have enough. Yeah, I know what you're talking about, Kevin. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And Red Guard's making some crazy They're right next to our park. They're making some It's pretty impressive what they're doing out of these things. How are those set then? Are they just set on the ground or are they on concrete or what? I would set Yeah. Not just set on the ground itself. Set them on concrete. Where where is that in Rose Hill, Kevin? At the stoplight and you go back to the west. Oh, really? Yeah.

But typically they're not tied down in any way. I wouldn't think. But yeah, I'd say the ones that people those ones back in the day when we they're just dropping them. Yeah. Because they're not using them for like use like this. I mean, and the thing that I'm trying to avoid is there are a few interesting shaped lots here in Augusta. and I've gotten requests for, you know, can I put down one or two shipping containers? Can I put down can I stack them up? And I mean, that's not the best use of the property. And so Kevin's is it's a self- storage business. You know, there's more storage units and it's a business and it makes sense there. I want to get wording to avoid just being able to come in and set one or two of these types of containers on a crazy shaped lot um rather than trying to find another use for it or having that land absorbed into adjacent lots to make a developable lot. So, okay. Anybody have any other questions for Kevin? Thank you. Okay, at this time I'm close the public hearing and then if you guys have any things you want to discuss more with Cammy if you based on what you've heard. Yes. Changes. Yes.

Yeah. Unless anybody has any other questions or do you guys have you feel okay about everything down there? Yeah, I think it looks good. I like to change. Go ahead and make a motion for 2025-07 proposed amendment to section 10.36 of the adopted zoning regulations regarding self storage commercial with the uh changes that Cammy has um recommended up there today. Second. Okay, I have a first and a second. All in favor? I motion carries. And both of these items will go to city council on April 21st for their approval. Okay. Um other matters. No. No. Okay. Um I had just one thing just cuz I didn't know. Did we need to approve minutes from our last meeting? We didn't have them ready. Okay. That's all right. Yeah. Shoot. I should have turn. Okay. We did not sure. Um we did not have them ready. So our next meeting will be just the first one. Oh, sorry. It's a regular meeting because we updated the calendar. Yeah. Um, but it's okay. I didn't ask for them. I thought I'd get them on the next one. So, the only April meeting Dang it. Sorry. No, it's okay. Yeah. Good job, Nick. Um, when's our next meeting? Um, April 9th. Wednesday, April 9th. And that'll be the only April meeting because I'm going to be in Lawrence for conference on April 23rd. Thank you be okay. Anything? Yeah. I'll entertain a motion to adjurnn. Have anything else? Make a motion to adjourn. Okay. That's Dave and Jake. Okay. All in favor? I motion carries. Mejourned. Okay.