Board of Zoning Adjustment - Regular Meeting

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Hey y'all, I'm Anne Randall. I'm the urban forestry specialist for the city of Auburn. And I want to talk today a little bit about some of the native trees that we give out through the tree commission. One of the first ones I wanted to talk about is the tulip poplar. This is a two-year-old seedling tulip poplar. So this is still a baby. It's got a very fine tip and bud that's easy to identify at the top. This is a native tree and it's going to be one of your big overstory trees. So we're talking about 80 feet tall when it's finally mature. And depending on your site, it might not get quite that tall, but this is going to be one of your big overstory trees. The way to identify a tulip poplar is it's going to go straight up. It doesn't have a lot of branching. It grows really tall and straight. This tree has a beautiful bloom. It's too high up to really take advantage of, but the pollinators like it, so it's important for pollinators. It also has a beautiful yellow fall color. It is a deciduous tree, so it's going to drop its leaves in the winter. and not a lot of mess it does have a small cone it's in the magnolia family but other than that just a good native tree if you have space for a tall tree in your yard one of the ones that's been pretty popular in the last few years is our native fringe tree so there's a native fringe and then a fringe tree from asia this is the native has a beautiful white blossom very fragrant this is also called grant c graybeard you may have heard that from the grandparents but a beautiful white blossom very good for our birds and our native pollinators This is a shorter tree, so it's going to be about 20 to 30 feet tall at maturity. It loves sun, so that's an unusual thing about a shorter tree. Most of our shorter trees like to be in the shade, but this is a good one. It can be right out in the middle of your lawn. It's actually a much better tree for your lawn than a dogwood because this tree is going to tolerate those harsher conditions. This is another one that has beautiful yellow fall color. It's going to drop its leaves in the fall, so it is deciduous. And no messy fruit, just a beautiful white bloom in the spring. And this one, a little bit bigger than ones we normally give out, but we've been raising this for a few years. And this is a hop hornbeam. So this is a lovely native tree, not one of your really big ones. This is going to finish up about 30 to 40 feet tall. So it's a good smaller tree if you don't have a lot of space in your yard. What's neat about this tree is it has a flower that looks just like a hop, like you make beer with, so it's a really beautiful flower. It also produces a small nut, so it's really great for pollinators and other wildlife in your yard. This is another deciduous tree, so it's going to drop its leaves in the winter, has a beautiful yellow fall color, also kind of has an exfoliating bark when it gets a little bit bigger, so kind of interesting landscape feature in the winter as well. And a nice shade tree, but not going to be massive in your lawn. This is a bare root redbud. So you see, roots totally exposed. This is not planted in any container. A lot of the trees that we give out are bare root. So the only thing that's different about these is that you want to make sure you get them into the ground or into a pot basically immediately. They can't sit out. But redbud is a beautiful tree. It's a native species. It is one of the first trees you will see bloom in the spring. So if you look out in your neighbor's yard and you see these tiny little purple blooms all over a tree, that's your redbud. And the other way you can identify these is they have this zigzag pattern on their branches. It looks like a perfect zigzag. They have smooth bark. This is a smaller tree, not going to be very tall. It's going to finish at about 20 to 30 feet tall. And it is a native, but it likes those shadier conditions. So it can tolerate a little bit of sun, but it's going to do best if it's getting shade in the harshest times of day. But it can tolerate dry, can tolerate drought. So this is a great, good pollinator species as well. So bare root seedling, this is a white oak. which is one of our great native oaks that we have in this area. This is gonna be a very tall, beautiful, mature tree. White oaks last forever, so this tree could easily last 100 or 200 years planted in the right place. This is the kind of tree that you don't plant for yourself, you plant for your children. It takes them a long time to grow. They're not fast growers. but they stay very strong, they don't drop limbs. This tree's gonna have beautiful red fall color, and it also produces a nut, which is really important for wildlife. It is deciduous, so it's gonna drop those leaves in the winter, and as it matures, it has a really beautiful flaky bark that is only found on a white oaks. It's a really beautiful tree, one of our great natives, and one of the best performing oaks in the Auburn area.

Citizen survey presentation. I'll turn this over to you, city manager.

All right. This evening, well, two years ago, you had a presentation about the citizen survey that was just videoed. We were in the thick of COVID. And this time we have Jason Murado, who's joining us from ETC Institute. He's joining us via Zoom. This is a 15 to 20 minute presentation. And I didn't want him to have to travel here from Kansas City for such a a short presentation. So he's going to go over everything. You'll be able to interact with him. He can't see you, but he can hear you. And so you'll be able to ask questions and interact as if he's in the room. Just a quick note, the survey, as I mentioned late last week, was nearing ready to go. We didn't have it quite finished for today. I anticipate it being ready tomorrow to distribute. I'll offer you both print versions and links to the website and for the general public this presentation is being recorded now and anybody can watch it but we'll also edit it and put it on the citizen survey site just for this piece so all that will be released it is likely tomorrow if it is recording in progress well there we go recording in progress greg is making sure and we will uh we will be able to uh get this out uh very publicly this week okay so jason if you are ready okay yep i'm ready um

My name is Jason Marano. I'm with the ETC Institute. And today I'm going to go through the results from the 2022 community survey that we just finished conducting for the city of Auburn. We most recently conducted your survey in 2020, right before the pandemic in February of that year. And we first conducted your survey way back in 2006. So we've been doing this survey for many, many years now. So today I'm going to go through the most recent results of the survey. Just a little background about ETC Institute. We're based in Olathe, Kansas, which is in the Kansas City area. But we're a national leader in providing market research for local governments. We've been doing the type of work for 40 years. And in the last 10 years alone, we've conducted surveys in more than 900 communities all across the country. So this is really the type of work that we specialize in. This is just a quick rundown of what I'll go through today. I'll go over the purpose and methodology of the survey. What I call the bottom line up front are our main conclusions to the survey. And then I'll go through the major survey findings to show how we came to those conclusions. And I'll be happy to answer any questions as well. So there are several reasons to conduct a survey like this. One is to get an objective assessment of how satisfied Auburn residents are with major city services. And also to determine what residents feel are the top priorities for the community. We're also able to measure trends from the previous surveys. Most of these questions are the same ones that we asked last time in 2020. And some of these questions we've been asking every year going all the way back to 2006. And then we're also able to compare your results with other communities across the So this survey was administered by a combination of mail and online through randomly selected residents throughout the city. And that's our standard methodology for these surveys is that mail-online combination. Our goal was to receive at least 600 completed surveys. We had a very good response. We ended up with 685. And the results of those 685 surveys at the 95% level of confidence has a margin of error, plus or minus 3.7%. So essentially that means that if we conducted the survey the same way 100 times, 95 times the results would be plus or minus 3.7%.

Okay. Good evening or afternoon. We will call the June Board of Zoning Adjustment Meeting to order at 4.30 p.m.

Roll call. Will Faulkner. Here. Mary Boyd.

Here.

Emmy Soros. Here. Letitia Smith.

Here.

Marty Heffron. Elizabeth Strain. Here. Malcolm Daly.

Before we move to the approval of minutes, we will need to call a supernumerary up today.

Will Faulkner? Yes. Mary Boyd?

Yes.

Amy Soros? Yes. Letitia Smith?

Yes.

Okay. All right, if we can get someone to... I second the motion. Will Faulkner? Yes. Mary Boyd? Yes. Amy Soros? Yes.

Leticia Smith?

Yes. Elizabeth Strain?

Yes.

Okay, thank you. So I will open the meeting with my chairman's opening remarks. Any persons agreed by any decision of the board made within 15 days after such decision appeal to the circuit court having jurisdiction according to section 908.02 of the zoning ordinance of the city of Auburn, Alabama. The board consists of five regular members and two supernumeraries. The supernumeraries participate in all discussions but only vote when necessary to assure four voting members and have a board consisting of five members when possible. All decisions are made with a roll call vote and a concurring vote of four members is required to approve an application for a variance. All regular members and supernumeraries in attendance can participate in the discussion, but only the regular members can vote unless called upon by the chair to vote. With that said, we will move to our first and only case for the day, which is BZ2026-007. Good afternoon.

This is a request for two variances. One is to the maximum ISR ratio or the impervious surface ratio. The allowance is 35% on the lot and the applicant is requesting a variance to allow 36%. And the second is a variance to the rear setback requirement of 20 feet to allow a rear setback of eight feet and four inches. The subject property is located at 203 Bridgewater Boulevard. It's at the corner of Bridgewater Boulevard and Touring Lane. It's approximately 11,000 square feet and is in the Cary Creek subdivision. This is a site plan for the existing single family residence on the lot. A CO was issued for this home in November of 21. And at the time it was constructed, it was in compliance with ISR and the setback requirements. After the construction and the CO, a 19 by 16 concrete patio was added at the rear of the home. And it did not require a permit because it was under 30 inches tall, which does allow it to also extend up to five feet to the property line. The addition of the concrete patio pushed the ISR over the maximum allowed. So the variance would allow the additional 304 square foot patio to remain on the lot. This shows the proposed where the concrete patio is and where the applicant proposes to construct a patio to cover or a porch to cover that patio. Like I mentioned, the concrete slab is permitted to extend up to five feet to the property line. But with the addition of the porch, it is required to follow the setback requirement, which is 20 feet. And in this instance, it would be eight feet and four inches to a property line. And that is just an overview of the variances, and I can answer any questions you might have.

I do have a question. When I read what you just stated in the discussion, so we state sometime after the initial construction. So what does that mean? So does that mean was there an additional owner? Do we not know when it was constructed? I'm not sure. We're not sure. Is it the same owner? I believe that this is the second owner. So just for clarification, so when... An unknown change is made where they actually added this patio and then we exceeded the ISR requirement. Does that make it legally non-conforming? It is nonconforming. Okay. Not legally. Not legally.

Yeah, and so I guess...

It was confusing when I was reading.

Yeah, so normally if we... I guess on commercial projects and we discover something like that, they're forced to rip it out. Same thing on residential projects, too. Okay. So that's kind of one of those things where... we end up, a plan gets submitted, then we discover something, then they're forced to come into compliance, kind of for all future permits. And so it's not like if someone would have called about it or anything, it's just kind of, it's not, and also this isn't a catalyst for us to make people get permits for this, it's just kind of the process. So we would force somebody to rip this out. That is how this would go. And it's not all of it, but enough of it to be compliant. Okay. Any other questions for anyone else? Well, I guess I did just kind of want to stress kind of, I guess kind of there's the two variances. So there's the one for the ISR stuff, just kind of with the patio. And then I guess, do we have like another exhibit associated with this? Another one? No. Yeah, so I guess there's kind of several things with this. So the... There's provisions in the ordinance just kind of less than 30 inches, not really applicable to it, really fine. And I guess kind of this is one of the things that we went back and forth about initially. I mean, kind of looking at this, the buildable area here, this you know if it went on the other side of the house that'd be fine from a structure standpoint but i think also just kind of the flow of the flow of the house like the like it doesn't work that way but the reason that this doesn't fall under this this is it's not a deck it's not a floating patio it is like you know cedar the kind of like attached to the house like a really big almost like an addition even though it's uh covering over a deck portion. I think one of the things just kind of that I wanted to stress just kind of like through the staff report. So the ISR is just kind of one thing, but from the structure side of things, the variance would mean that someone, if they wanted to extend all of the house, Expand the house entirely, not just the covered patio. Should the house burn down or anything, the entire house would be able to go up to eight feet. And just something to think about that. This just isn't for the covered patio kind of deal. And then just kind of reiterated some of the things just kind of in the staff report. the character of the house character of the neighborhood all those things setbacks do drive that and I think especially like I said this isn't this is one of the things that kind of like when I was asking I know we were kind of working through it like I said it's not a floating deck like if it was a floating deck we wouldn't be here it is a and I guess kind of the how the house sits kind of the back of the house I wonder if the applicant probably has pictures of it so there is a deck that sits off the ground that's enclosed now that they have and then they have a this steps down to like this patio area and then they're covering it and so but it's kinda on the plane with the rest of the house so it's less as a very large structure what we're talking about I like initially I thought we're talking about something else before before I got clarity but just kinda over just kinda from a harmony standpoint all those other things I think kinda the the biggest thing to really just kinda focus on This is really, I would say, not anything like where the ordinance changed or anything. When this got built, these were the setbacks. They were compliant. People building things without a permit, like I said, it's not like anything nefarious was done. It just kind of happened. Probably something that the contractor should have been aware of, was not, or just ignored. Like I said, that happens, but if we did find it, we wouldn't make them rip it out. Um, just kind of from our, our standpoint of this, no real unique, no, nothing real unique here. I think on, um, I know it's really odd, like, you know, like people desire corner lots and then corner lots kind of have these issues like, you know, where different setbacks, greater setbacks kind of both on the side, side streets, um, kind of deal. I think the thing that you just really be aware of is that, um, If this house were to ever go away and then be replaced, it would be all the way up to eight feet, like I said. So just something to be aware of, and I guess from staff's perspective, in addition to a perfectly functioning house, no hardship, no disaster or anything happened. Like I said, from our position, no hardship would be.

Justice, would that eight feet be just on that one side where we're alone, or does it...

No, it was just, yeah. So it would be, I guess it, let me read what the variance is too. If it's to the rear setback or just to the setback.

Is this the rear that the house is oriented to face Bridgewater Drive or does it face Turing?

Yeah, so it faces Bridgewater.

So that's the rear of the house. So I'm going to assume lot five and four are both built on as well, correct?

Yep.

Okay, also on our plot it says current, but technically that's not true. This is what was presented to get there. So current does not show the...

Yeah, and so this was, so for a lot of these, like I said, property owners don't oftentimes, they don't get as built, so they'll have like what they can get their hands on. And so oftentimes we see site plans like this. Like I said, I think the thing, like if they have the visual of it, they can show it. But yeah, it's a large, like I said, they're covering it. And I think kind of the history of it just kind of in the department was kind of talking to inspections. If you attach it, say it's like we have, I know like one of the things that we always run into is like, well, if they just detach this from the house, would this be a problem? And I guess here it wouldn't. So I think the big thing here. Even though this isn't like an enclosed structure that's heated and cooled, the manner of which they're attaching to the house and the size of it, like I said, makes it, it's always been treated as a part of the house and has had to comply to setbacks. So that was a conversation that I've had with, Inspections, as I said, I think initially just kind of we were having conversations about it. We were really looking at a way that we could just kind of make this work, but it doesn't. And so I think kind of that was one of the things that like when we were talking about inspections was very adamant of like they wanted to make sure that I understood where they were coming from on it from a historic standpoint.

Also, okay, you did say there's a deck and then this patio is attached to the deck?

Yeah, so how the house is, there's an enclosed deck. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Back where this house is.

Yeah, so you see the great square on the bottom right of the house? That is an enclosed deck area that they already have. And then the addition of the patio steps down to that. There's steps. You go up the deck, and then you go down. Right, right, right. That's how it is. That's how it is.

Let me just, I'm smiling as you're speaking, because you're giving all this explanation, so I thought it was just me when I was reading this packet, because I found it to be confusing. And I actually went out and searched and tried to see the house to see if I could see the back so I could see what it was that we were going to be discussing. And I didn't see it. So I'm hoping that if the applicant is here, they have a picture. Yeah, I guess. But it seemed like it was a lot of extra information in the package. I want to make sure you're trying to get us to harmonize. So the thing that we are focusing on the most is the coverage.

Yeah, so, yeah, yeah, yeah.

All the other stuff, ISR, it is what it is.

Yeah, like I said, I guess the old... It doesn't require a variance. Yeah, that does require a variance. But like I said, if it were any other project, it'd be caught in DRT. We'd make them change it. If it were, we were doing something else, and we found that it was noncompliant, and they were doing something else, they'd have to rip it out. Okay. So...

Okay, thank you. So if we don't give them the variance, would they technically have to rip it up back to where it would be compliant?

Yeah, I mean, it'd probably be something that inspections would handle. Yeah, they probably have to make them figure it out.

Any more questions for the staff? Okay. We'll open it up to the public hearing. Is the applicant here?

Yes. I'm going to be speaking on behalf of Mr. Randall Pinkston. This is his home.

That's fine. Did you sign in? If not, just make sure.

Okay. Sorry.

No problem.

Yes, so I do have a picture. What's your name?

Adam. Thank you guys for taking the time this afternoon. I do have a picture, a rough rendering of how the porch is going to be kind of constructed on top of the concrete patio. He does have an existing deck on the backside of the house, but it's inside of a nook. So it's a very small deck and it's currently screened in. So it's hard to fit grills in there and have a whole family inside of there. So that is the reasoning you come down from the deck onto this big nice stamped concrete patio on the back of the home. Currently on the back of the home is his outdoor kitchen, table, stuff like that. He is on the corner lot, no trees. Blazing hot, bugs, rain. So they're looking to put something coming off the side. We're not doing an A-frame. We're not doing a big heating and cooling. We're just coming off the side with a nice hardy trim to match the aesthetics of the home. It's going to be mounted on top of that retaining wall on the right side. I'm going to go ahead and hand this to you guys.

I guess if you could, yeah. So I have a visual of it. I'll put it somewhere where you can pull it seven.

Okay. But, yes, we're just looking for a space to get out of the sun, get out of the rain, make some more memories in with his family. The deck's very small. And I would like to note all surrounding neighbors and the HOA are on board. So that'll be all. Thank you guys very much.

We were just pulling it up. So are we waiting on you, Justin, to pull? Okay.

There are photos on the MLS that three of the five of us could pull up and see it. Okay.

So Adam, once the pictures come back up, we may have some more questions for you.

Yeah, just give me a second so I'm going to say this.

And I know the applicant stated that all the neighbors were on board. Did we receive any communication on this officially?

We did have one neighbor call in, but they really didn't express for or against. Okay, just curious.

They just wanted to know what was going on.

Yeah, pretty much.

All right, so it should be, I guess I put it in the case file. So if you go to, that's in the.

I can see photographs.

So yeah, if you go back to where you were, like the packets for this one, it'll be in there.

So there is a poured concrete patio that does, you can see it's quite far. I mean, it's... But this is what's proposed to...

It's coming. It's coming.

There we go. Yeah, and so this was the rendering that they sent over. And so as you see, like, this is the, to the left is, like, the enclosed patio nook thing that they're talking about. It is the enclosed deck nook that they're talking about. And then, yeah, so then this is the structure that I was talking about, kind of the outdoor kitchen and all that other stuff.

Because the drawing proposes a knee wall addition. But this is, I mean...

Yeah, so this is just kind of like an AR rendering. It's not fully accurate.

So are there dimensions of this that you are allowed to do? Yeah, so pretty much kind of

like it just wouldn't be able to go all the way to the full portion of the house, like to the full portion of the edge of the concrete. And so like if they were to do like a gazebo of some sort, um, that was separate from it. Um, uh, as I said, kind of, I know like we're getting here and like we talk about, um, I guess all these nuances of the code. But I feel like whenever we work on commercial or non-residential projects or the bigger things, these are the things that come up. And like I said, these are the things that we push in DRT. And then it does impact the design of things. That's why guys normally call us beforehand. So there would be an alternative. It just wouldn't be connected to the house. That's always one of the themes of the discussions here, since connecting it to the house then describes different setbacks to it versus when you detach it from the house.

If it's detached, it would have to then be 10 feet from the house. That's right.

Okay, so I might be the only one that's still so confused. So... I know this is a rendering, so are we saying that there's nothing here and it's just a deck, or is there still this piece that we said was after the construction?

No, the only thing was just the poured concrete.

Okay, that's there. All right. Okay, any questions for the applicant?

So if they did the detached covering, would that be in compliance with the code if it was just detached and it covered this concrete house?

They can't do it.

No, no, no. Yeah. And that would be this concrete pad, I guess. Right, right, right.

And so I guess it would have been something where they probably just would have had a separate area that would have been further. And I guess kind of like, Driving by it, they got like a fence. It's like pretty tight back there. But yeah, so it would have been designed completely differently.

So if I was to break the two variances into two, one and two. So without a variance, I need to remove a portion of this to be in compliance.

That is correct. And so we do that. Like I said, guys, oftentimes, like, you know, I know it looks cool. Like the driveways that are split, they got grass in the middle. Oftentimes those guys are trying to meet ISR stuff. Yeah. Or like, you know, like the cool pervious pavers and all those things. Like those are the tricks that those guys use. And I said, it's very common throughout town that guys do that.

Yeah. I agree with you. I think I don't want to see them have to rip this up. And I think probably what they were trying very hard to stay in compliance, they're 1% over ISR. So I think, can we separate those and like approve a variance to so that they don't have to tear up this patio?

And yeah, so so so yeah, so these are these are two variances. So it's not you don't have to separate them. They're already separate. So so yes, yeah. So just just consider them separately. So I guess there's ISR variance, and there's ISR. And then there's the covered patio variance.

And we have looked at every other possible alternative for getting them a covered space, and it's just not possible.

I don't, yeah, I guess I don't know that to be true. I guess this is kind of one of the things I say. Oftentimes, like with residential, they'll come to us with like, hey, here's what we want to build. And then it's like, well, have you thought about these other things? And it's just like, we're trying to build this.

Okay.

Any other questions?

Let me ask you. Yes, I would not be here. I assure you.

You want to introduce yourself?

I'm Randall Pinkston. I am the owner. Okay. I would not be here if it was any other option, and I didn't even want to go through this process a couple of years ago. Like I said, I retired here a couple of years ago and bought the house and probably didn't think through But I'd still bought the house, love where we live. But I tell you all that, I wouldn't be here if there was another option. We even talked about a gazebo. Actually, it's a worst-case scenario because you have to be away from the house. So it is, you know, it's just a small lot. I mean, it is what it is. I get that. But, again, and I understand that we have rules and regulations for a reason. I get all that. But I was hoping from a – the only reason I'm here is to say, hey, this is – We always, when it's us or when you're involved, you think it's an exception, right? When it's not, it's not. But that's, I would ask for the consideration. But, yes, we've looked. That's your question. Okay.

And you did not pour the pad. That was already there when you purchased them.

That was here. We've done some landscaping and stuff in that yard, tremendous amount of landscaping. All the landscaping you see in the yard is done. And we had a drainage issue. We fixed that due to the. But to answer your question, no, it was there.

It's some tricky topography over there. I absolutely know that for sure. Actually, there's a house for sale right across the street from ours, and I showed it. It has a crazy yard that's neither here nor there. But I do understand that there's some issues with some of those lots over there. I know. I wish we could do everything we want to, but yeah, rules.

Rules. Okay. If there are no more questions, we'll close the public hearing and open for board discussion.

I just want to, if I could, as Justice was mentioning, just keep in mind in your deliberation, if you pass this variance, the variance would run with land. So if this house is destroyed and they had to rebuild it, those variances would apply to what gets built in the future. So I just want to mention that as a reminder, as Justice has already said.

I certainly hope that doesn't happen. Okay, thank you for that clarification. Any discussion?

I don't see a unique hardship for the second variance. It's unfortunate, but I don't see any kind of unique hardship as far as attaching this to the house and covering the whole pad.

It's a very large patio. I'm inclined to go ahead and pass the variance for the 1% for the ISR just so that he can keep the existing patio, but I don't, the 11 feet, I'm getting stuck on that. I don't see, I feel like there are possibly other options or he could just do something a little bit different. You know, the zoning ordinance allows it for uncovered decks of no more than 30 height to extend five feet from the property line, but when you add the covering. So it says the current patio does not require a variance to the rear setback requirement. So we're not talking about setbacks, that's just an ISR requirement.

So we can, okay. Yep, yep, yep.

So I'm inclined to say, let's deal with the first variance, and then, yeah.

So will we have separate discussions, or will we take them separately, just so we can?

Yeah, so two separate motions.

I have a motion to approve the first variance of BZ2026007. I'll second.

Will Faulkner? Yes. Mary Boyd? Yes. Amy Soros? Yes. Leticia Smith?

Yes.

Elizabeth Strain.

Yes.

Approved.

Okay, thank you. We'll open back up for discussion for variance number two. All right, so I feel like we've had some discussion. I mean, while it's beautiful, I'm thinking about the work that I did in my own backyard to be able to have those family gatherings, but I was very conscious of, I'm on the BZA, I need to be able to do this without having to request a variance. And so we have to try to come up with the most reasonable use to get what I need. So I just think that this is a very large variance that is being requested to do this. Very nice, but I'm thinking that there may be some other options. That's just my opinion.

Yeah, unfortunately, I don't see a way around. Just because we're bound to... A, B, C, D, E, F, G. Right. And I don't see that this variance meets any of the requirements. Hardships. Not a hardship. Obviously, no special privileges. Unique circumstances. I mean, I appreciate wanting to use that, but yeah. Okay, so I'll make a motion for... The second part of this, the variance of 11 feet 8 inches to the required 20 foot setback on BZ2026007. Motion to approve. Second.

Will Faulkner?

No.

Mary Boyd? No. Amy Soros? No. Letitia Smith? No. Elizabeth Strain?

No.

Failed.

We don't have any other questions. business to take care of, but is there anything that you have for us?

Yeah, I guess I'll, we can talk after this, I guess, because I know you mentioned possible training, but yeah, we can talk about that, and I don't think we have, I think there might be another pending case or two, but we haven't gotten any applications yet, so just people inquiring about them, kind of similar stuff.

Okay.

Garages.

All right. So you will follow up with us? I will. So the request was just so that we can, and we have a lot of new members, so we just wanted to do just a quick train of refresher about the role of the VCA and how we are to evaluate these variances when they come across. So that was one that I requested, so hopefully we'll be able to find some time, maybe about an hour to an hour and a half, Maybe at lunch one day, we could do a training if that works for everyone's schedule. All right. I don't have anything else, and if there is nothing else, we will adjourn this meeting at 5 o'clock p.m.