Town Council - Regular Meeting

Please rise for the pledge.

Pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands. One nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. Thank you. Pastor Brown, would you like to start us off this evening? Sure, I'd be glad to. Our heavenly father, we give you thanks for another day. Father, we always so appreciative of all you do for our town, our community. Just ask to continue to watch over us, help guide us, especially decisions need to be made. And father, as the paintings going on here, we just pray that heaven smoothly and without any significant problems. Ask for your blessings in the meeting tonight. Give each member the wisdom and the insight we need if decisions have to be made. We thank you. We pray it all in Christ's name. Amen.

Amen. Thank you. Thank you, Jody. We'll let the record reflect that uh Mrs. B Hook is absent this evening. Everyone else is present. And we have uh meeting minutes from April 27th. I move that we approve those. Second. All in favor?

I can proceed with reports. Yeah.

Yeah. um water utilities. Um pretty busy month really. Um of course they ran daily rounds testing, monitoring, collecting of everything. Our average um for the month of April was 47,621 gallons a day on an average. Uh the April's MR O report all completed been submitted to IDM. Uh Luke and I uh actually worked on putting a water hook up at 350 Broadway saddle. Put in a saddle on the water line, put in a saddle, put the meter pit in, they're all ready to go for their contractor to hook them up to their house. Uh the CCR report, um certification report has been um filled out and submitted to IDM. So, we're coming with that and Jennifer has put everything in the paper and listed it for everyone to see. Uh, Peerless Midwest has finished uh the reverberation on well 4. D samples came back absent and good and the well's back online and running. I don't got the reports back to tell you how much it's gone up in production or anything, but um the pump was pretty bad off. It was still working and functional, but

a lot of wear. It was wor I met with uh who's your environmental today about um updating our wellhead protection plan and um everything looked all right. They just updated contacts and board members and who was in charge and should get that back in about two weeks and we'll be good for about five years. Great.

Uh on to the wastewater utilities. Uh of course the daily round is a collection sample recording of the influent and affluent. Our daily average for the month of April was 157,36. Now due to that we did find some infiltration coming in on the backwash lift station. So, you're talking hundreds of thousands of gallons coming from that field. Yeah, we'll have to

Fred and I got together, we talked about it. Fred said, "Well, just shut it off." And I said, "Yeah, I always look for the way fastest way to fix it, put it back in production, but with it shut off, it's not going to overflow or nothing because it's only going to come off ground." Yeah. Um, are you seeing that lift station run quite a bit? Like is there hours accumulating? Hour meter on it. The next thing I was at night just had done there. You'd think somebody put an hour meter. I mean, a $100 part when they're in there doing thousands of dollars worth of work. That would have been a nice addition, but Okay.

Yeah, it's an issue that was found. Thank god it was found. And there's a pretty good coming in from the field and it's just going to You think it's coming around that penetration there? It's coming underneath the influent pipe that's coming from the water plant when we're back washing. Okay. It's underneath. It's clearly underneath. So, we can wait for the ground to dry out. Me and Luke back it out, suck it down, use some hydraulic concrete on it. Y hopefully um get it filled and hopefully that holds it. Was that manhole lined or that? No, that one's not lined. Okay, that explains that that is a steel. Oh, it's steel um lift station.

Okay. So, I wonder about some kind of a maybe almost like a polyurethane sealant or something like something in a foam tube almost. Well, it does look like that's what they use was something some kind of epoxy. Yeah. Elastto sealant of some kind. Yeah. But um we could probably inject it from the outside in and log it up. So there's a hole in the lift station. Is that what you're saying? No, it's just where the Yeah. Think about the lift station's a big pipe and then they've cut a hole in the side of it for a pipe to go in. It's around that. So that water is it's just flowing in around that. Thousands of gallons. This is like a water plant.

Yeah. So ground water is going into there. And it probably had some kind of sealant at one time. I would imagine, but stuff gets old, it wears out. Uh, we had it low enough, we had it pumped down low enough to where when I open the lid and inspect it, I can see it coming in. And that's all that water that sits there in that FE farm field was going into there. Groundwater finds a way, doesn't it?

Water's lazy. the easiest way out. Um down at the wastewater plant, uh the lagoons are kind of high. Um but we are planning to discharge start discharging tomorrow with disinfection and everything. So uh we we're going to get that up and going. Me and Luke both went out there and uh tested everything and it looks like everything's running with no cracks in the lines, no no bubbling in the ground that we seen. know. Yeah, I think everything's okay since it froze. Yeah. The other year,

uh, IPW got with me uh on our lift station for our repairs and stuff. It looks like they can schedule everything for the 19th of May to come out and start getting everything buttoned up with our lift station out on Central. uh the MRO and the DM DMR reports are all completed and submitted to the EPA and ID them today and that's pretty much for the month. It's been kind of busy for me. Well, two Sundays ago, we also had another failure up there, the the force mate and uh we ended up scrapping a lot of what was there in the ground and just redoing a single piece.

And I want to thank you for that. I was going to have that and I I ran out of time.

Well, point point being number one, hopefully we don't have another failure there. Uh we eliminated a lot of the trouble spots there. But but number two, we confirmed and for some reason it was in my mind that that was iron. It's not. It's AC as cement uh with iron fittings. Um, so if it were iron pipe, ductal iron, you would probably have a high likelihood of of um getting a lot more life out of it. But that force man really truly might be an area of life where we're at right now. So that's something that we need to actually have a serious conversation with an engineer about, especially since we're talking about doing other work anyway. Um, that's that's something we need to have on our radar. As Murray was noticing with with the pipe, it's really thin and spots on the bottom and stuff. We were noticing it.

Well, what actually caused the leak is like a there must have been some cavitation or something, but it it just like popped the side out. Just a little chunk right out the side. And uh I wonder too if we have an obstruction somewhere in that force man just at some point I've looked at the prints there are there's numerous cleanouts between the lift station and yeah there's some some cleanouts and then I think there's also some air valves. So I don't know that's something we look into try to figure out

but none of this none of this uh civil engineering is you know it's all engineered with a life and certain materials you can well exceed that but I'm assuming that this particular one is probably closer to that engineered life which we're already past now what was it 1968 I think for sewer 69 for water so we're there y Um, so we at least need to talk with an engineer. Maybe they've got some ideas of how to, you know, examine it better. I know John Bergwin said something about that they can x-ray random spots, but I don't, but he was talking about that under the assumption that it was ductal iron, not that it was AC. So,

when I talked to John, I told him we needed to get with you because you didn't seem to be really hoping the last few months. Yeah, we just have to schedule it back, make it happen. So that's I thought it'd be better for him to ask you when you want to meet too. Sure. I'm available. Okay. Any other uh questions or anything for John? No. Thanks, sir. John, are you still wanting some help with some Excel reported? Oh, yes. I definitely need all the help I can get with Excel spreadsheet. When would be the best time?

I'll make time for that. that was going to make the job so much easier to actually put it on a spreadsheet and let it do all the calculations for you and Okay. Well, I mean, are you busy first thing in the morning? Are you Yeah, first thing in the morning is running around doing my rounds, but around 10:30, 11:00. I'll I'll get with my wife and we'll see if we can schedule a time with you. It'll probably best time be around lunchtime around 4:30ish. So, if you're available either one of those times, make myself okay. I gota check with her, see what her schedule looks like, but I'll try and get it done this week. I appreciate that. Definitely will make life a little easier. Okay.

All right. Well, thank you. Um Luke's not here. No report from him. U Jennifer, did you have anything for us? Just a couple things. Um our next meeting is actually scheduled on Memorial Day. Okay. So would you guys like to reschedu that or is Tuesday okay with everybody? Just sure. Same time the next day. Yes. 26th. Yeah. 26. Okay.

So um I'll put that out. And then um um Jim Higgins will be here talking about RDC. We have a few things that we need to get buttoned up for that. And then also he will be talking about annexation. So I will let him know tomorrow. Um, I went to Verizon to one of the Verizon stores on the one at on 146th Street and they took my information and I'm waiting on um a call or an email from actually the business office. I haven't I haven't received anything yet, but I was telling that we were wanting um we were thinking about phones and then also um a uh a plan, you know, to go with that. So, actually that's all I have to

Jennifer, did you I was looking in the last meeting's minutes and it says about the dumpsters. Have we got that scheduled? Yeah, we we kind of talked about that about scheduling after the running sale, but then I got thinking a lot of people clean out first. So, I was actually going to call and go ahead and have it scheduled. I'm not sure it actually matters. Yeah. Do you know when? No. Yeah. So, we can schedule any time. So, I I can even call him tomorrow and get it scheduled.

Okay. You want to talk about uh this real quick while while we're talking to you? Uh what is that? Uh I just saw this thing from Trey Paper or from Universal Package, excuse me. Is this trade paper now? Um no, it's it's universal packaging is what it is. And we have we're supposed to have a a short um festival meeting afterwards. Do you want to you want to take care of this now or? No, it's okay. We can I mean it's just I don't have a whole lot for festival, but Okay. Well, let's do it right now. Just right now.

So, is does Trade Paper exist and this is a different company or is this what used to be? Is this who we typically? Yes, this is who we typically give it. Okay. So, um I have talked to Duke Energy about being our trash lot sponsor and um I tried to get a hold of Mark today before the meeting and he hasn't got back up with me yet. I'll get that out there to them. If you look at the If you look at the the email from them, the mine out the uh the price on those increased June 1st. Yes. So, we need to order.

So, um he said is there time to do print plates and still get this price if Duke said yes? That would be that's a good question on that one. I can't I can't say for sure. I would think if you booked it. I I hope so. Yeah. That we could get that price. Okay.

So, we called around to other festivals to kind of get an idea of what some of them are doing. Um we called Republic. They're way expensive. We call them Uline. They're way expensive. Um, and when I had talked to this gentleman actually, um, this is who Denny goes through anyway and it's the same price. So, um,

so with the like we called, um, we'll just take for instance Rockville down um at the Covered Bridge Festival. What they do is they own their own barrels and they own 40 of them. I know 40 of them. And but then they contract out with a company that actually w they walk around the festival and empty those 40 barrels like 70 times a day. Put in the dumpster and then the dumpster, you know, is I prefer the 600 that we stuck in a trash.

Exactly. In Republic they would donate 50 60, but he said there's no way and they do not have um enough carts at all for anything like that. So, I think this is it. Best option. I think this is it. Unless, you know, but I I was still really hoping to find a sponsor for it. So, So, what's the So, do we need to Did you get a price an approximate price for doing the um print plates and the Yeah. for uh Well, yeah, because these are going to be new plates. There's going to be a little extra charge for that.

I think it used to be like 1,200 or 1,800 or something like that. I can't remember. But it's been a long time since we It's been a long time. So So let me do some checking on that. Even if they even if we decide to do that, we we need to figure out a number, I guess, for Duke that would make it worthwhile. I mean, I'm not looking for free unless they want to make it for free for us, but they can't basically just be covering the cost of those print plates and the you know, white box versus the brown. They can't just that'd basically be, you know, no benefit to us. Except that they'd be paying for our trash boxes. No, no, no, no. That's what I'm saying is there has to be a number somewhere.

And hopefully the number is they cover the whole cost. But even if there's even if they didn't, there's still a number in there somewhere where it's a benefit to us. So, I don't know. We want to set a minimum since your discussions are ongoing. You're looking at 7,200 for the boxes. Almost $7,32 for brown boxes. So, once you put the plates in there, add another $2,000 about 9,000. So, yeah. 10 grand for a two-year deal. Yeah. Is maybe a good Yeah. And then if they But if they ended up at

Yeah. six or we still winning? Yeah. Well, and we're winning if it's I would say five cuz what what did you say? Seven grand for seven grand for just the boxes brown boxes $7,32. Okay. And and for ACE it was going to be 73 we already have. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. I think that sounds fair. At least we kind of have a ballpark range. We're going to have to get them no matter what, right? Yes. Yes. So, let's order them. Well, and then see if we can get the f the the sponsorship for But they have to make them to the sponsor.

Oh, gotcha. Gotcha. You have to know whether or not they're going to be the So, it's either we have brown boxes like we had last year or we have white box with somebody's logo on it. Okay. Which is great. Exposure present. They're on every corner. So hopefully somebody says yes. Okay. Uh did you have anything else festival?

No, we're just um we are just working. So our sponsorships right now we have 22,000 committed. So we're just still we're just still working on that. Um we've got our permits back. So we will be placing our vendors starting on that. um probably this um this week or next week. So those were basically the the trash boxes. Yeah. So okay. All right. Anything else for Jennifer?

Great. My granddaughter pretty short. I got a bit of time. All right. So, I'll just go through some of this. So, uh Brett Kirby, 160 Main Street. I talked to him at length and uh he's he says he's going to take care of that. My idea is give him a few months and he doesn't I told him probably you need to get a permit which you give him the time frame to take care of it. Which property are we talking about? Next to the post office. The white the big white building. So at least getting it safe and secured somehow is what he's going to do. Yeah. Yeah.

Okay. Good. Um there's that. Uh I think Garcia's has a permit application for the trailer over here. Put a roof on it. I had several calls like I usually do that aren't in our jurisdiction. Caleb Watkins. Did he pick up a variance package? He did not. He's want to put a second home. Where's What road is that? Oh, I know what you're talking. They have the dog kennel. Yeah. The new house down there,

which want put a smaller home on that house. So he would need a variance for both having a second home on one property and the size which I he's wanting to do that so we can help take care of his mom. Sure. Dad passed away. So that's kind of that situation. Reuben I haven't been able to get hold of him. Yeah. Yes. Call back.

He's out of service. want to try to fall. Uh Isaac Cooper's supposed to pick up. Did he pick up the sign? Yes, he did.

Sign permit application or sign application. That's several inspections. electrical inspection tomorrow with Ben Johnson. An inspection from a lot Broadway reinspection inspection on the pole barn over here. So, it doesn't have a final yet. Still have the AJ Kill foil sign thing. I don't know where that's at. He was wanting a variance. Yeah. He turned in a an package. That's what I was supposed to talk to Kevin about that

and he went through the attorney for that. Okay. So, he was he's in contact with our attorneys. No, he went through his own attorney to help him with the paperwork. I'm trying to think of the guy's name with him. AJ.

Yeah. No, AJ. Yeah. But who he went through? I made myself a note. I'll call Kevin. Other than that, there's anything else. Davis, did he pick that paperwork up? He did not.

He's actually zoned for business and I'm not do the business he wants by letting him ordinance information about what's allowed. He's right up here on the other side of the post office. So, I haven't heard any more about that, I guess. Okay. Any other questions for

Thanks. I enjoy your ball game. I help coach if you call that there three, four, and five. Mostly chasing him around. Get him to pay attention. Just the way it is. Okay. Well, I'm going to take off then. That's all you need. Thank you. Thank you, R. Um, the attorney's not here, but I do have an email from him today uh about uh basically they need a document signed that would hopefully then release us from this frivolous lawsuit that we're named in for okay

for a drain that doesn't belong to us. So, um anyway, hopefully that's resolved next week. There's some kind of a hearing. I'm going to get that signed opportunity, but I don't see any other updates from the attorneys and they certainly don't have a park ordinance for us yet. That's still going on. What the lawsuits? Oh, yeah. That's not even close enough. That's going to drag at least. Is that most county then? It's 100% with the county. I mean, we were named in it, but it's We have

nothing to do. once again asserting that we have nothing to do with any of that. And they even drew a map and sent it over to us and I looked at it and I said, "Yeah, nothing that's drawn on here is ours." So, and then I referred them to the official maps, not a handdrawn Yeah. thing. And it shows the same thing. So, anyway, there's that. Uh, old business library. So, I don't have them printed out in front of me, but I think So, what do we have? three or four quotes now. One of them is from somebody I knew. One of them was somebody from somebody you knew. I think we need to just pull the trigger on one of the two of them tonight if we can. How much was the other?

Well, that's what I was just looking for and I sent it to you all. I don't know if Can we maybe get these both printed off real quick? I I don't know that I got it. Um, when did it? May 6th. May 6th. Jennifer, I'm going to forward it to you right now. And then, oh, I did get it. Who was the other one from? How do I find that one? Uh, I believe I sent that to you a long time ago. That was Yeah, it's been a couple months.

There you go. Workhorse. Yes. I'll forward that one to Jennifer as well so she can go ahead and print that off again. So I'm illprepared. I don't have any of my past stuff with me tonight. The wrong truck is here.

Yeah. I think if we want to get this done this summer. Well, my question is this. As we talk about the library, do we want a finished product or do we want a do we want to have a library that's or a town hall that's not finished with I know these two quotes are rough ends if you look at those. Sure. So, they're they're finished and we still have well a bunch of work to do. I say a bunch. I mean,

well, it depends. So, I think like for example, I think they got on there and we'll have to see him here in a second, but like doing a bathroom and installing a sink and a toilet, but you know, maybe we want some tile work in there or something like that. You know what I mean? So, there's I know that

discussions to be had. Wait, maybe I'm sure it's just drywall to primer or something like that. We need to figure out paint things like that. And then the flooring is something we need to do and I think I'm confident we can do on our not us do it but find another contractor that does that because the other thing is I believe because this bond it's funded through a bond. It's not a to stay under what's considered a project. you we kind of want to do some of this stuff in house instead of just saying to one person come do all I can't remember what that dollar amount was well there's there's no way it that this quote is even close this the one that you sent Marie because they have hanging finished drywall the cost of the of the materials is1 $150 $50.

Uh cuz he was looking at the drywall we have there and asked if he could use Oh, he's going to use what? Yeah. So, he was going to try to use as much as Okay. material as he could from what we already have. Okay. Obviously, that's not going to cover it. No. Um but the only place we're talking right now about using any drywall is sewer plant. We've got a giant stack down there. Yeah. I don't have I didn't know that but I don't have a problem with even using it. Sure. I just was looking over the numbers thinking right that's incredibly low and even the labor is incredibly low. The labor is very low and that's kind of how

running the new plumbing for the bathroom. Does he know he has to take it from the other bathroom and take that bathroom out? Yeah. So, I told him that the the I gave him the plans. Um, and it's I said it on there, too. There's an additional amount for lowering that floor under the elevator. Yeah.

Um, the point I I guess what I'm getting at is we've talked about this forever and I I've delayed things and we've had other delays in the mix here. Uh, and we finally got our masonry done. Um, I've got a good idea of what needs to happen with the window. U still trying to figure out the door thing, but I think we can make that happen. Uh we need to find somebody that we feel comfortable working with that they're close. They're it looks like they've got uh most of the things on itemized on the list and just know that there's going to be some change orders, but you need to start looking.

I I don't see how this can be done for for the price. Scott. So, I I'm very worried that there's going to be overruns and that we're going to be going back and back and back and approving more and more and more because I I can't see it. I mean, I I got a little bit of knowledge about how much things cost and material to run wiring and outlets. I've never hired this guy before. I can tell you he's looks cheap and he's very efficient.

I'm questioning his ability. You could ask. I mean, I've not even asked him how it works. I know he's done work for the city of Olesville, specifically the fire department. Um, and I mean, as far as I know, this is just how he operates, but I could put you in touch with Is he by himself or does he have a

No, he's got a couple guys. And if we want to if we want to meet with these people, if we want to do you guys want to talk to anybody, if we want to nail down a a a more accurate numbers somehow, that probably makes some sense. Um, but we got to get moving. Did Did they have in that quote a sliding window? I know Jennifer had asked for the slide. Oh, for a service window. A service window. I don't know if either one of them does.

Yeah, he I know the port office. There you go.

Install window and wrap opening and counter is I'm assuming what that is. He estimates 600 for materials. Well, I think the window is going to be more than that. I think he thinks we have it cuz Yeah, we don't though. Well, well, I don't know what what's a sliding window. What's one of these cost? I'm not saying that's the right thing for the I imagine that is probably going to Well, it's going to be 500 bucks probably. Can I tell you my concern?

Can I tell you my concern? Okay, so I know we've we've done real well on the the uh um the lift and got all that taken care of right now. Um, I just don't want us to I know these you've got three different quilts. One's high, one's low, and one's right in the middle. I feel like, Marie, like you suggested, I think you guys should meet with these people and see because you don't want This is our chance to get that library and put it in top notchotch where it should be. We don't want to We don't want to have a library that's half undone. We don't want to have a count a town hall that's like little bit of this, little bit of that. And you know what I'm saying? I mean, it needs to be done and it needs to be done, right?

I don't think either one of these in front of us are necessarily done, finished. I don't think so either, but I And the other one seems high, but it he's got it all in there. He's got, you know, carrying debris away, all that kind of stuff. He's high. Um, and you know, is there some way that we can um talk with these guys and say, "Hey, you know, this is what we're after. We're not after." And I know that you guys have said John could do some of the work, but is he available to do the work? And

I don't Yeah, I I actually don't know that that's reasonable other than if it's little tiny things to expect. What we would ne what we what would be useful is since you're here all the time, um you can oversee it kind of. So you you know we'll we'll let you in on what the project is and then somebody needs something or if somebody's finished you can go see or what you know all break and rough frame. Sure. We can rough frame.

Oh maybe that's a potential option too. But the bottom line is um a lot of the work that has to be done there is fairly simple until it gets to the point of like we're going to do this trim to match the rest of the building or um or even even doors if we I mean I would say that we probably need to source the doors which is going to the hardware store on a Saturday I guess and see if they got anything that matches and if not going to a specialty But well, hanging a door is hanging a door.

Well, he has installed five doors and he has 6,300 as the materials. So, I don't know. Those are expensive doors. Well, and he might be guessing. I I should clarify what he's doing, but he he might be uh because I told him that we need that big door, the 42 by 84. Oh, is that going to be the main entrance to the office? To the elevator. Oh, to the elevator. Uh, it's got to be built to the opening, right? Would it be accept acceptable to have these contractors quote us a complete cost? I think so.

Like a turnkey. All we do is at the end of the project, unlock the door and walk in and we're we're ready to go. I think so. My I think the fear all along the reason we wanted to kind of oversee the project and not just hire somebody to come and build it for us is again I can't remember Jennifer do you remember that dollar amount when you're funding that bumps it into like being considered a project. So if it was all under one umbrella then you actually have to have engineering and you have to have No, I think we're I think we're okay. Are we well under no matter what? I will double check on that. Double check on that. The other thing is that this high this high one that came in, we straight up can't afford that.

No, no. I I agree. We cannot afford $120,000. I was guessing and this is why I was happy to see his and again we need I I don't doubt that we need to clarify some things here maybe with them but the finishes there are some unknowns with finishes again where we need to pick a nice carpet that looks period correct that has a border or something like that maybe this the uh I I would be a fan of doing white subway tile in the bathroom because it's kind of timeless. I also had the idea though, the bathroom that gets ripped out downstairs, go over there and look at that toilet and sink, they look cool and they definitely go with the building.

You just put Yeah, put them in there. I don't think the radiating the the sink probably just needs the under kit, but you you might be right on the toilet. Um, and I like that. I'd love to do that. Yeah, but Yeah. Yeah. No, you're right. to think about the chair height appeal. Can can we meet with both of them next week or in the next month or two?

I mean, let set something up. I mean, or or uh I mean, we ask for a more a detailed deal or I don't know. I don't know. I just want I you know I want to know what's in both of their heads as far as what they're planning on doing because I didn't see paint in there. I mean I think they're leaving it us paint. Yeah. I don't want that.

I mean I can I can contact the workhorse and see when he's available come and talk to us. I don't know. You may have called Mr. in the hand as well. And what's your schedule like Murray? Are you busy? But I can schedule. So I mean Okay. I didn't know what day is best for you or doesn't really matter. I can probably find it couple hours to get away. Okay. What's that? Workhorse has the paint. Yeah. New walls, pyramid doors. Very bottom one. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So I guess paint off. I'm not saying that's been different.

I talked to him as well about I noticed and I don't think Do they have anything on here for that what I want? Uh there's some plaster damage on the ceiling up in one of the squares of the ceiling from back when it had a roof leak and it it's probably a couple hour fix for somebody. But like things like that we don't need to Yeah. things like that need. We can't let that fall through the cracks. He asked me about that and I think he told him don't worry about that right now. But I mean, we can have I mean I don't think it's a remove plaster and redo it. I think it's a scrape that off and reskim it with something.

Okay. Well, I can I can have him look at it talking about right above where the office is going. Uh I was I think it's like that northwest quadrant maybe. Like more over the elevator area. Yeah, from what I remember. Okay. Over the stairs. Yeah, almost cuz he he had noticed something above the lights where the officer was going. He noticed something up there and asked me about Well, there might be a few different parts. That was not really what we were looking at right now, but I think we might as well

do it. Okay. I said I said we're going to do one part. Let's do it all. Be done with it. Oh. I also I haven't sent them to y'all, but I did find some lights that I think that was another question I had is are we going to supply different lights for that? Yeah, I don't want them going to Menards and just finding something and put them in there. I don't think that's going to do the building justice at all. Okay. Well, I guess we've got some unknowns and we need to ask some more questions. Um, you want to be I assume you want to be there when they come out. Yeah, I' I'd prefer to be.

Yeah. Pretty familiar with the project. Either way, I mean, there can't be three of us. So, unless we schedule it. Yeah, let's make it a special meeting. I'll make I'll call them both tomorrow and see when their availability is. Okay.

Uh and then I did have a quote from Townsen for building a new window for there and it's everything except for the glass, but he suggested and he hasn't given me info on it yet, but he said some of these salvage places have large pieces of antique glass that you can get for in the $200 range. Yeah, I think that'd be worth the effort. You're trying to make the have that wavy in it. Yeah. Keep that period correct, match everything else.

Okay. Tim, if you if you do get a meeting together, let me know so I can get that advertised. Does that mean the public can come then or the public can come and y It doesn't matter how many council members are there then and yeah open to public. Okay. Okay. Uh anything else about the library before we move on?

Okay. 296th Street. The last thing I saw from our attorneys was an email about a week ago saying that um they acknowledge what did it say? something along the lines of that they now Typton does acknowledge that the road is theirs, but that it shouldn't be and they're not taking responsibility for it or something along those lines. I sent that email to you guys. Did you get it? Yeah. And uh but here's which is ridiculous. So here's my thing, though. Where's that tax where's the tax dollars go for that? I'm guessing tipped in there.

Well, they said when you when you guys asked them that they don't get tax money from it, and we confirmed from INDOT that they do get tax money from it. It is their road, their responsibility, and they're getting tax money for it. And I'm getting a lot of phone calls of unhappy people, and I keep Well, I agree with you. I don't know. I mean, I don't I don't like our This is what I don't understand. Like, this is really, really basic, really obvious stuff, right? Like in black and white, if they want it to be different than it is, you can't just say it or wish it to be

like there, show me the legal mechanism. that would allow that to transfer ownership. And in the meantime, what about the current condition? You can't just decide. And so then I'm wondering like how how can this be this hard to resolve? How many laps are we going to do on this? This is just But I don't even know why we would need to. It's not ours, right? But the people could some somebody that lives up there that's complaining could civily sue them I guess. But like it has nothing to do with us. We we have no we have no stake in the game. It's not our own

other than our citizens. Can make them do their property. I agree with you. County commissioners and no response from the leaders. Okay. Well, I appreciate you trying, but good night. Nobody wants to help. I mean, if you're going to do something legally, you have to have standing. And we have no standing. There's It's not hurting us other than the people who live here. Yeah. Citizens. It's not our road. It's not the county's road. I mean, it's Tipp. So, I don't know that we can do anything to force them other than tell people to call TIP. I mean,

or do you think differently Murray? I mean, no. I I don't think it has anything to do with us. If they want it to become ours, they need to show us how. And in the meantime, they need to fix that thing up to standard like they're they're abdicating their responsibility currently. The people that have called here, they've all said, "I called Tipton and Typton said, "It's yours." Right? you know, and and so ask for their email address and forward them that email from INDOT. Yep. Seriously, I think so. And that way they can get mad at the correct people instead of getting mad at you and they'll hang up with you and call them right back and say, "I'm staring at something right here

from Indiana Department of Trans of Transportation that says you are wrong." There's something work with INDOT to get that taken care of. Give me a copy. Sure. I give Johnny a copy. He was going to take that to the commissioner. We'll send you a copy. Thank you. But if you give me a copy, I'll march it up there and say, "Okay, we're tired of Yeah. They're literally the ones that say that it's it's theirs, right?" And that's the frustrating part. But they're they're literally saying it's they're we're not going to do anything about it. Is there possibility of getting a news agency involved in it? If you wanna

if you want to call Wish TV or whatever, I mean, be my guest. Fox 59. But, uh, nobody wants to do it. I don't care to have too many other things I'm doing. I'm not I don't care about this at all to be honest with you. I think it has nothing to do with us and I think that they need to do what they're supposed to do. And uh the only thing that makes me upset is that people are calling here and people are calling down there mad at us because they're telling a lie up there.

We should offer to buy it from them. They need to pay us all the back path that they've been receiving. Well, mill it and pave it. Mill it and pave it and then give it to us. We'll take ownership of the brand new road. Mhm. Yeah. I mean, it's full of potholes and falling apart. I mean, ridiculous. Absolutely ridiculous. Okay. Uh what do we have here for park project? This was recommended from Mike Plant heater, I guess.

Yes. And so I I had a meeting with this Brian. She had and then then another Brian and Miss Katherine Pucket and they just are sending information on on different things. We did talk about um different ways to um to help fund our project. I we Marie, we did talk about the DNR um grants and she said they are very um competitive. She said it's very costly, but she said right now with the way that they um with the the way that they're doing, we would not be eligible for something like that until like 2028. Put putting in the timing and

Sure. So that was one thing. Um the other thing was um we talked about um grants through the through the county. Um she said a lot of times that Eli Liy um they give monies to a lot of different organizations and then um those organizations um you know fund those out. So she talked about a patronicity grant and that is what actually how um Arcadia got their flashcard was um was through that. But anyway, there's a lot of different ideas, a lot of different things to talk about. Um and so I I said, "Could you please just put these in emails so the council um we could share with you guys? These are just the beginning steps of anything, you know." Um she said that or they were talking about um

since our project is not like millions of dollars um you know, like we're we're not having to like um like parking lots in or sidewalks and all that kind of stuff. Ours is more when I was telling her about, you know, upgrading our equipment and um doing ground covering and and a splash pad. I was just, you know, just kind of putting those things in.

So, um this is just information for you guys to look at if you have questions. I think that um yeah, we definitely need to learn more. I do think that if we're if a couple of these funding opportunities are available, but they're only in the say 50,000 or $25,000 range versus there's a reasonable chance of turning our you know, I don't know, doubling our money with the DNR grant, but it takes a few years. That makes far more sense. I mean, and so so I would I guess encourage people to to be willing to play the long game if it means a much larger uh payoff. Um obviously we don't even have our park board established yet. Uh

where are we on that? That's the attorney. Our attorneys said that they would have something like a month ago. after being asked about it like a year ago. So, um yeah, I'm a little frustrated. But I'll add them to my list to call, I guess, because I would think the park board would be the people who should be looking at this stuff. Well, it's under the council's direction though to a certain degree, and I mean, we still have to fund it. Agreed. But yes, you're right. looking into this thing.

Now, here's the other thing that I will say is everybody splash pad obsessed, please, please don't get so locked into that idea because to me that sounds like maintenance nightmare. And that also sounds like a bunch of money that would be spent on that because it's the shiny cool thing instead of maybe a permanent stage and or permanent bathrooms that would benefit. I I was making an example. Not that I'm

that but I know there's people there's people that are very enamored with that idea and I'm not saying it's a terrible idea but like when they're talking about you need a 2in municipal water line that'll flow 60 GPMs like is this pump and dump how much money is that going to cost? And then it's it sounds like something that's going to have a breakdown constantly. And there's a big expense at the end of the year for um maintenance to it for water for winterizing

winterizing it. You want to believe all the um the pink RV anifreeze we poured down the one in lapel one in lapel. Um it took um one gallon jugs. I think we used 120 of them to to feed through all the lines through to winterize. How do you get that back down? Take all the jets out for the winter and you have to put plugs in them. You have to take all the cans off and all it it's a good day for four people winterizing.

Oh, and plus this cost just right here. I mean the estimated water maintenance cost just for the 60. So gallons per minute. Again, I'm not saying Oh, yeah. They cost estimate per year on it. shy of 17,000. 17 grand a year is what they estimate in 2023. Yeah. So 20 grand a year. That's three years old. That's three years old. Anyway, I don't care. I won't even be here. Uh I'm just saying as Councilman Dixon, who will be citizen Dixon by the time any of this happens,

like don't get tunnel vision on one idea. We can do an incredible park project in a lot of different ways. and just think like long-term multi-function over uh something that's shiny and exciting and new that might end up biting us in the end. Well, everybody has splash pads. I mean, it's been an idea, but it's been around forever. But I agree with you, M. So, anyway, that's my I I would rather see I could not say that. I would rather see an indoor basketball facility before I go for a splash pad. I mean, something yearround indoors.

I just I think about like a couple years ago we did uh we started trying to do like kind of quarterly town event sort of things and with and we do we do we do a quarterly thing.

Sure. But like um one of the neatest things was when we did the the fireworks that festival. Not because it was the fireworks, but because that kind of people attending the festival didn't really come to that. That turned into a town thing. Like you saw everybody leave and then a half an hour later here comes everybody from all over town. And that kind of became a town thing. And there was the stage and there was music and then there was fireworks. But a permanent stage seems like something we could get a lot of use out of. And we spend a ton of money on that every festival, too. And then permanent bathrooms and get rid of all these bathroom rentals. And that could be used for multiple different events. Those things in addition to really nice playground equipment with good fall protection and maybe some additional landscaping and seating areas and stuff. Like that's what I kind of envision for a park project. Um

permanent pavilion maybe. Sure. Yeah. That it could be that with a stage in the end of it or something like that. A multiunction structure so you can so you can eat there or be underneath the Yeah. Um I don't know. So just look around at different parks, think about what's going on. But obviously there will be a park board too that can help do some research on these different things and go get pictures and go, you know, uh talk to other communities and about how hard it is for them to maintain whatever they have or how much it costs for them to put it in. Um but do we know I mean just off the top of your head, do we have any kind of feel as to how many kids actually live in town? Oh, I don't know.

Who would be able to even help with that? The school maybe. Yeah. That would be interesting to know. We have about 40 kids at BBS everywhere. Yeah. Well, how many actually live in Atlanta? If you're putting a park in, I would assume it's for the benefit of kids who are here. And yes, and you'll see it down there. I mean, all summer that park's pretty active. Okay. I I don't drive up here enough other than town council meetings to know. To be honest with you, I really don't see all that much activity other than kids playing basketball from time to time. Small kids playing on the go round. Yeah. I mean, all I got to do is look out my window. I see what you call a lot of activity.

Uh I know I've seen upward I would estimate upwards of 20 kids there at a time before in the evenings. Um, I'm not saying I'm not saying I'm not saying every evening, but I know I've been driving by and looked over and it's there's a bunch of kids at the little playground and then there's a bunch of kids down there at the ball playing basketball, you know. Um, I know the guys transportation on this call. So many kids up. Yeah, but the woman the woman who runs it lives in town. Uh I'm just trying to think, you know, we spent a whole lot of money on 15 kits, you know, is that it's not you can't get and it goes in stages. Yeah, it goes in stages.

I mean, this is for our community. I mean, you know, people go out to other parks because our park is not the best. And if it was, there is a cost benefit calculation that needs to happen, though. Like, you couldn't make the entire thing for two-year-olds, right? which is I guess kind of an extreme example of what you're saying. It's like you you can't you some of it has to be more general use. Yeah. It's got to appeal to everybody to be able like the shelter house anybody can use, right? I mean, but Yeah. Yeah. for a fee.

But the playground is I think it's a great thing to have. I mean, I the if if the if we could somehow talk to the people who do the music festival stuff down here, if they would use an outdoor venue at times, you know, that would be worth it. Then what I don't want to have happen is we build an outdoor pav pavilion and we have an outdoor, you know, stage and it gets used twice a year. Well, I think you could I think you could do it fairly inexpensively, too, because you don't necessarily have to have all of the equipment. Like, it's fairly common for bands to have their own equipment. They need a stage and they bring that they call it backline, right? So, they

Yeah. You know, but you have I mean, you got to have the power and the wiring and everything ready for Absolutely. Anyway, but I think we have to look too that people are moving north. Yes. You don't have this area is in demand for sure. Yeah. And I have little kids, but I just enjoy watching the little kids. That's reason we go all back on that rampage. It was something for the kids. Yeah. And and we're not and I don't think anybody's saying we don't want to do anything for the kids. Even those of us that are opposed to a splash pad

still want nice stuff for the kids. We want really cool playground equipment with good fall protection and you know exciting stuff over there. It's just trying to find that balance. So anyway, somebody say no park no I told them these these um people I to have one chance to get this right because I said this ain't going to come again. And they're like are you sure? And I'm like I am sure. I said unless somebody passes away and and leaves the the town money like um like they did anyway. So, yeah.

All right. Uh I guess we'll move on to new business. We've got a pay application um for sidewalk completion. Was that $113,000 worth of sidewalks? What it looked like? Mhm. probably. So, concrete's expensive. Ain't that wild though, that that was the whole project's 296, right? That's more than more expensive than the paving.

Over a third. Well, it's not. Yeah, but it's over a third of the cost of this whole project is And the paving's milling and paving. It's not just straight pave. I mean, wow. Okay. Uh completed. Are they done? Done with sidewalk chase. They're done with sidewalks. I assume they fixed the one we asked them to.

They did. Uh I don't understand what this is. They've got 133 453. Then this next columns the 2017,795 amount eligible to date. So okay is that we retain that through the end. That's the balance. Okay, that's left over. So they're asking for 113435. Okay, I got to tell you, I'm It's nice having those sidewalks up, but uh and I was glad that they were willing to

redo certain things without fighting us too much. U seemed like some unnecessary issues to have, but I think we kind of got pretty close to where we need to be. Could Can we just go over this real quick so that I understand? So the 296 is the total. Yes. And Ace Paving is who holds the the bid, right? The whole project. So the total completed and stored to date. I assume that's their cost of 133453. Yes. The work completed. Did we already give them some money? What's the 20,7?

I don't uh It's retainage. So, of that 133453, $20,17.95 is being retained. That's probably some sort of a percentage. Yes. This is just sidewalks. $90,000. $290,000. 296. This is just the sidewalks.

This is the sidewalk of that 296. They reduced it by $20,7. I'm just trying to figure out why. We we retain a certain amount. We don't pay them fully until the entire project's complete. Okay. But I was trying to figure out how we ended up at that dollar amount. I guess 15%. Is that about 15%? So, it's over 10. It's less than 20. So, I'll go with that.

It's about 15%. Okay. Has everybody does anybody have any reservations to uh to uh releasing this payment? I move that we approve this pay. Has somebody double checked and looked at all of them and made sure that we're happy with it? I mean, I haven't walked every but Luke as we keep an eye on Luke's okay with all the work that I have asked him plainly to, you know, keep an eye on different things after our initial problem over here and he says that they're where they need to be. So, okay, we have a motion to approve this pay application.

I'll make a motion we approve the pay application for the sidewalks in the amount of one 1343505. I'll second that. All in favor? I I What are you laughing at? We got a double double. I already made the motion and you made a second. You already did. That's fine. I'm getting old. Fred, you made it again. I So, well, you can you can have it and I'll second. I second Fred's motion. So, put it in the minutes that way. I don't care. I forgot. No.

Okay.

Huh? You okay? Hopefully Blue Blue is okay. I'm so tired. Say, "Drink more Sprite or something." They're doing Jackson Street. Uh the last block of Meridian Street. uh the north two blocks of Walnut Street and all the original portion of the subdivision. So those original portions of Hopkins, Allison, and Michael Drive, they're all about halfway done right now. Oh, they've started already. No, no, no. I'm saying the original part Oh.

was of Allison and Michael was about half of what they currently are. They were added on to when they completed the subdivision. And then Hopkins is about a third probably. Um, so those original portions are getting milled out and replaced. Actually, everything we're doing is a mill and replaced. It's not a just pave over the top. Um, so that that'll be good. When are they going to start on that? They started today. They did. Where did they start at? Out on Hopkins, Hopkins Drive, and Michael Drive and also on Meridian. I can imagine that the phone's going to ring, Jennifer, because people are going to notice that. And why aren't we doing 296th Street if we're

Yeah, I had a couple buildings for our use for that. Yeah. Speaking of milling, I wasn't here when you guys discussed it, but if we talked about what we're going to do over here, it was our decision on what we were going to do. Luke was giving John the number for a contractor we've used in the past to try to get a price, but I don't know. Were you ever able to make a call about this low area over here?

We did make calls to um I forgot what this guy's name was and he came out. We looked at it. We were seeing how the street was. It was perfectly level. The street was perfectly level. It couldn't go down either way. And he told us about a idea a town had forgot what town it was, Smallville or Sharpville or something like that. and they put French drains in every 8 ft and it actually took care of the flooding problem in the whole town without connecting it to um

a a storm drain without ripping the road up and stuff. We could actually cut out a box with a gray that we already ordered and then suck it out down go down about our wand makes it 16 or 17 feet down. Just fill it with stone and fill it full of stone because that's dried up in two days after a drain. Well, no casing or anything. Well, we would have a storm drain with the casing and but no no casing going down 16 ft. I mean, no, it's just

So that's actually interesting. But got away with it doing the whole street that way without every eight or 10 feet they put a French drain next to the curb. And so care of their flooding problems. What you think you could do a couple or three of them in a day? We were thinking just one just one do do do one over there. So a day of work and a few hundred dollar worth of stone just to see. Yeah. try it. Okay. We were just looking for an easy

that that would be cost ine unlike tearing a whole street up connecting it to that. That's what we came up with. Okay. We got the grade over there. It's already been delivered. Um it's us free to get some time. It's been really one thing after another day. What is the drain? Is it like a curb box? It's not a curve box. It'll sit flat next to the curb. Okay. But it'll sit flat. There's a nice thick heavy duty base with a nice blade. I mean, it's it's a lot nicer than what I thought I ordered. Okay. In my opinion. All right.

So, just to be the devil's advocate, why wouldn't we just connect it to the storm sewer down here? I I'm not sure it's a bad idea to try. We can always come back and later. That's what I'm saying is this isn't actually a big loss. I mean, what the great cost you It's probably $400 or something like that going to be another few hundred worth of stone and then their time. And if it fixes it, great. If not, it's not a huge loss. We can always come back and put the Sure. It's It's worth trying the thousand fix before we do the $20,000 fix. I just didn't want to see the whole road get ripped up before the festival or something. Yeah. Mhm.

Because this all this is going to need is like two like two or three inches of patch around Yeah. the grading to make it level with the road. Fair enough. I like it. Uh we'll we'll see. Uh we'll see what happens with that. A hair lower than the road. Yeah, they'll they'll figure it out. It's the lowest spot of that spot. that spot that floods, right? I mean, we we should have went out there and marked it when we got the inch and 3/4 brain just see which one's the deepest and see where um sewer just Jennifer, did you get clarification on I did and um actually John and Luke went over and talked with her.

Okay. And so everything everything was okay that make I can't remember. There was something written on there about they have a well, but they also have Well, what happened out there was a copper pipe flew out, okay, the bottom of the house, and that's what was leaking. The saleserson for the plumbing firm came out to look at it. Well, he's all dressed nice and he's seen all the water crawl space and seen he's seen the pressure tank. So, he said so he said they have a well.

He brought it down as a well. Okay. Well, they do have a well, but it's all the pressure tanks all rotted out and it hasn't worked for a long time. Nothing's worked in this well for a long time. It was the saleserson that wrote everything what the plumbers had to fix and he wrote it up all this will be this. You guys already approved it. So, we approved it contingent upon additional information that we have. Then we have another Are you sure? Yes. I feel like we tabled it. All right. I'll go with it. uh for today's date, I guess. Or for our last meeting. Last meeting. What was it? 27th.

Oh, that's the old one. Not this one. This one's the new. Yeah, this is all right. That's on down. Uh when I got home, plumbing fixed it. So, it's just a leak in the crawl space. Another one on 19. That other one isn't that one on 19. Yeah, it is. Is this like the house next door or something as well? Yeah. And Donna has had about about two years ago, she had a really big one. Big on the east side of 19 at row homes. Oh, over dollar store.

All right. We've got a uh utility utility adjust uh in the amount of $12323. It looks like it was a leak in the crawl space and uh nothing went down our sewer. So, it is eligible for adjust and the ver the repair has been verified. I make a motion we approve it. Second. All in favor? Okay. All right.

All right. We'll pass that on down. The tree at 237 South Indiana. So, I know she's asked about it. The last I knew about it. Did we I don't think we ever approved removing it, right? We just the last meeting of the year last. I mean, you guys talked about it. That's been a while. I The last I remember we were going to have somebody come out and actually look at it, but I'm not sure if that ever happened. Wasn't it some sort of debate as to whether it was on her property or our property or Not that I know of, but if that is a in question, we probably ought to figure that out, too. I didn't I I thought I remember.

We get close by measuring off of the other sidewalk. You can measure the street width there. I mean, from the other sidewalk across over there. So, we can probably at least get within a few feet. Um, but we definitely need to have somebody look at it. If it's our tree and it has problems, guess we need to do I mean, we can have somebody look at it regardless, right? I mean, do they charge us come out and give us an estimate?

No, I don't think so. Just Somebody can look at it and we can decide whether or not it's ours. Okay, I will talk to Luke about that. All right. Main Street Shutdown. What's that for? This is for Shannon. Okay. The thing that she does every year.

Um, this is So, this is actually, let me get back to her text message. Um, she would like to shut the street down on Wednesday, June the 10th, between 4 and 10 p.m. She said that there is um Noblesville Creates is having a fundraiser that day. And I asked her if she could kind of tell me a little bit more about it. And she thought it was going to be some kind of circus thing. She said she has she tried to get a hold of him to find out exactly what they're going to use the robe for, but it's something to do with a fun rose razor and they're going to be having a circus of some sort up here. Yes. So, she wanted to know it's like a a carnival theme is what it is.

I think we need a whole lot more information before we let them do it because like we check see if we have our insurance. Well, yeah, she knows all that. She always provides. Okay. Uh, all of that. But if it's another Yeah. Is it for her? It's for I guess. Well, she said, let me see how she put it here.

And then the other question is full block, half block, whole street. I would say probably just um from Walnut to rower track and yeah that block. Um she said they're having a fundraiser with us that day. So Okay. I don't I mean we've never I don't think we've denied anybody for similar 4 to 8 things as long as 4 to 10. as long as they have uh insurance and they police their trash and stuff like that.

I'm not opposed to it. Does anybody have any opposition to this? Um I don't know if we even need a motion for this or not. If somebody wants a motion for it, I guess I'll move that we approve shutting the street for 10 June the 10th. state. I'll second it. All in favor? I know. All right. Good deal. Any other new businesses from the council? I forgot one thing. Yeah. Annie was um she went to the high school tonight to present the um scholarship. Oh, yeah. So, good deal.

All right. Uh any questions or comments from any of you all? anything. Yes. Do you have information on that? Um Luke went over there after the last meeting and um the gentleman came in to the office and said that um that he got rid of all of them but four. So um he said that there was a lady that um he knew that has a barn out in the country and he took them all out there. Okay. So I Princess came in today and said that she's like, "What happened to the cats?" She said, "I haven't seen him around." They haven't been on her mom's porch, so that's that's a good thing. So, okay. So, as far as I know,

I'm angry. Yeah. Good. Yes. So, it's a little excessive there for a while. A little bit.

Okay. Uh we also do have a a report from police, a total of 198 calls u for the last month. Most of them are just traffic or patrols around town, but they did some 27 traffic stops, 21 other calls for service, etc., etc. Arrested two people. Anyway, u, so they're up here. They're working. Uh, I see them when I'm out walking. So, um, yeah, make you all aware of that. Uh, is there a motion to sign our claims and adjourn? Must be signed. Second.

Uh before we do an all in favor, do you have anything else request? Sorry, we address it. Okay. All in favor? All right. for coming Nice.