Planning and Zoning Commission - Regular Meeting

My name is Dr. Ignacio Nunez. I serve as chair of the Planning and Zoning Commission of the City of Arlington. I hereby call this regularly scheduled meeting of the City of Arlington's Planning and Zoning Commission regular session to order for September the 16th, 2026. And we will begin with the Pledge of Allegiance. Mr. Maddox, would you please lead us off? under god indivisible with liberty and justice for all thank you at this time i'll ask our administration to read the speaker guidelines and in general decorum for tonight's meeting

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Thank you very much. First item of business is approval of minutes. A copy of the minutes of our September 2nd, 2026 planning and zoning regular session agenda were sent to all the commissioners in advance. Were there any changes or corrections needed to the minutes? Seeing none, do I have a motion to approve the minutes? I do by Commissioner Maddox and I have a second by Commissioner Winkles. Please cast your vote. Motion passes, eight with one abstention. Thank you very much. Yes?

Just for the record, I was going to abstain from the first plat on the agenda.

OK. So you're going to abstain from the Hillcrest addition? Yes, sir. All right. Very good. So let the minutes reflect. Commissioner Semter is going to not participate on the vote on the replat Hillcrest addition. Tonight we have four Plats on the consent agenda under Plats to be approved with conditions. First one is Re-Plat Hillcrest Edition. Second, Re-Plat Quick Trip 853 Edition. Re-Plat T.O. Harris Edition. Re-Plat Viridian Village North. Do we have any speakers on these items? Seeing none, I have a motion to approve the Platts on the consent agenda to be approved with conditions. I have a motion by Commissioner Talambas and a second by Commissioner Johnson. I ask for your vote. The vote is nine to nothing with the minutes reflecting that on the first Platt, Commissioner Semter abstained. Next, we have on our consent agenda, plats to be disapproved. We have three plats. Final plat, Assured Bowman Edition. Preliminary plat, St. Joseph Estates Phase II. And third, a replat, St. Joseph's Estates. Do I have a motion to approve the motion to disapprove these consent agenda items? I have a motion by Commissioner Semter and I have a second by Commissioner Blake.

So an affirmative vote is to disapprove these three plats. Cast your vote.

The motion passes nine to nothing. Next on our agenda we have three zoning cases. Thank you. First case is SUP 25-13 addressed at approximately 500 East Abram Street. This is an application for an approval of a specific use permit for a banquet hall on property zoned downtown form-based zoning district core. At this time, I'll call on staff to present its report on zoning case SUP 25-13. Mr.

Chair, I just want to point out that I'm abstaining for this as well.

Very good, sir. Thank you. Mr. Charles.

Good evening, Commissioners. For the record, Kevin Charles, Principal Planner, Planning and Development Services. This evening, we are looking at SUP 25-13, also known as 500 East Abram Street.

Thank you, Mr. Charles, for pausing for a moment.

No problem. Very good, sir. As you can see, this is an aerial photograph of the site. The site is addressed at 500 East Abram Street. Current zoning, downtown form-based zoning district core. The request is for a specific use permit for a banquet hall. As you can see from the aerial photograph, the site is fully developed, originally developed around 1956, and it shares like zoning with all of the properties to the north, south, east, and west at this time. These are photographs of the existing site as it is today. As you can see here, there are no plans currently for any additional renovations or exterior modifications to take place for the site. Here we identified a specific tenant space. which this specific use permit is being applied for. The overall structure is approximately 23,000 square feet. The SUP request is for a single tenant space that is approximately 9,200 square feet. Therefore, should the Commission decide to approve this particular site, the SUP will be applied only to that tenant space, as we have the meets and bounds for that individual tenant space, not the entire site. Quick explanation, so prior to the meeting, I did give everyone a revised parking layout or parking site plan. I did that because when the applicant made their original submittal for this particular project, the form-based zoning district core was not in place. At that time, our parking regulations for this area were different. While we were in the review process, we did, the city did adopt the foreign-based zoning district, and with that particular adoption, the parking regulations changed. Actually, they were reduced quite a bit for the site. However, as I said before, I provided you with that, and it shows that truly for that particular use of a banquet hall, there are only 18 parking spaces are needed. The site is fully developed. There's plenty of parking as well as shared parking with the adjacent property to the south. I do have a copy of the shared parking agreement and it should have been included as an attachment with the staff report. Staff did not receive any opposition or support in reference to this particular case. I would like to call out that in the foreign-based zoning district, it is listed in the staff report, but for the record, banquet halls are required by the foreign-based zoning district to go into existing structures that are already developed.

they're allowed there through the sup process and this fits that particular category if there are any questions i am available thank you mr charles do the commissioners have any questions in mr charles at this time thank you kevin thank you sir uh at this time i i'm going to open the public hearing for this case and call the first speaker the first speaker will be the applicant uh i believe mr ford Randy, you'll please state your name and the city of your residence. We do not need your address.

Randy Ford, how are y'all today?

Doing fine, sir.

Any questions, or would you like for me to just tell y'all what we're going to do? Well, why don't you tell us what you're going to do? We're good. Jay Gilligan's Bar and Grill. We've been there since 1979, and July 12th of this last year was 47 years. And so what we intend to do is just keeping on doing what we do. My best example, on August 16th of this last year, Arlington High School football, I believe it was their 10th year, and they have a kickoff dinner. And so we fed 343 people. The head football coach was there. Moms, dads, brothers, sisters. Tracy knows this routine. And it's quite an event. Family events are huge in Arlington and in Jay Gilligan's Bar and Grill. And you know what? It's just a natural. We have to stuff them in the bar. We put pipe and drape up so you don't see the beer signs and the beer neons. And when we move into this particular facility, that's the kind of event we want. We want to feed 343 moms and dads. They have the little colts. They have the big colts. And what we've done at Gilligan's over the year, we just do what we've been doing. And as people respond, want more gathering places, wanting a place to celebrate. birthdays, high school reunions. We've been doing high school reunions forever. So what we're going to do is we're going to do just exactly what we're doing right now. Now, we're not going to go in there and do a kitchen. We're not going to go in there and do a full bar or anything like that. The initial goal is to just do what we do, catering. Our best client is the AT&T Stadium. This last weekend, when they had Chris Brown and Usher, we took probably, what, 200 dinners for breakfast and lunch. So we have Cambros. We have catering equipment. And so if we book something like the Arlington High School football team, we'll cook everything on premise at Jay Gilligan's. We'll have warming equipment, but we're not going to do any cooking on premise at all. And you know what? Like that particular example, we don't need beer. If a dad needs a beer or a mom needs a glass of wine, they can always come over to Jay Gilligan's. Now, there will be some events, like a Cowboy home opener this coming Sunday. There will be times that we may need, you know, alcoholic beverage. So all we do is pull off of our particular permit we have in place now. So Arlington High School football, we probably don't need beer. Cowboy football games, we probably do. So just doing what we've been doing for 47 years.

Thank you, Randy. At this time, I'll open it up to questions. Who wants to begin? Mr. Commissioner Blake.

Randy, by the way, or Mr. Ford, I appreciate all you've done for Arlington. Well, thank you. I remember way, way back when, when I was in college, actually going to the first Gilligan's, I believe it was, a long time ago. But so whenever you open this venue, of course, it's going to be as successful as you are now. And if you do have alcohol there, I assume you're going to have police presence? Yes. Okay. So you're going to follow those type of rules?

So you will follow those types of things? Just follow TABC. We have to file for a special event permit, you know, and so that's something we've been doing for a long time. The Levitt Pavilion, you know, we go up there occasionally. We don't go as much, but like they have a do-good fest or something like that that they're doing. October 24th or something like that. That's Juana back there. She's the director of operations, and she's the one that's got all the information. So we can, like at the Levitt Pavilion, we'll go pull a temporary permit at the Levitt Pavilion to set up beer and wine downstairs and also upstairs.

Well, good luck. Any other questions? Commissioner Semter.

Not really questions, but I can see how it's much needed. I went to the Little Colt, Big Colt event, and there was a lot of people in that bar, and it would have been awesome to have a big banquet facility to house all the people. So I appreciate everything you do for Arlington. These events are wonderful for our community, and having a better space for you to operate and for us to all enjoy each other, I think is wonderful.

I appreciate that. And you know what? That's the main thing at Gilligan's. Why is Gilligan's successful? It's people. People and the community having a place together, a comfortable place, whether it's 15 in the party room or it's 300 football players. It's an honor to be here today, and it's an honor for us to have an opportunity to keep on growing.

Any other comments or questions? Yes, sir.

Hi, Mr. Ford. Just a couple quick questions to follow up. I know, obviously, we've identified some events that you would be engaged in, but do you have any idea of approximately, is this going to be a weekend thing, or are you going to be like Jerry Jones and you're going to have every possible day planned?

No, we can't keep up with Uncle Jerry. Okay. But, no, it's just going to be an event-by-event deal at this stage of the ballgame. Now, as we get into it, we had South Street Patio right across the street from us here about seven or eight years ago and stuff like that. So this would be a similar type of thing except right across the street. At some point, I'd like to be able to open that up a little bit so you could oversee across the parking lot and kind of tie the two together. So initially, you know, we've already got a couple of ideals. There's a church here in Arlington that have been with us for five or six years, and they have a tent revival. And instead of doing the tent, we'll be doing it inside, you know, the 500 East Abram. But, you know, there's no real plans until we get in there and, you know, get the power on. And, you know, there's got to be a sprinkler system at some point sooner than later because that's a – you know, back in the day, you could do 5,000 square feet and you wouldn't have to sprinkle and there wasn't really a huge limit. These days, you have to be less than five feet and less than 100 people. If you don't do less than – if you have 100 people or more, then you can't use the facility anymore. then that's when you have to do the sprinkler system.

And actually, you jumped to my second question, which is we talked a little bit upstairs about how staff had met with you about some of the building requirements and everything. So you are up to speed. You understand what's in front of you after this goes, hopefully, to council.

After this meeting, I mean, it's going to be a challenge, but I don't want to get in a hurry. I want to take our time, and as it comes to us, we will build it, if you will. You know, the property manager back there is Doug, and so he's been with us this whole time, and Mr. Daniel owns the property. We've got some agreements in place, like if I do this, he'll put a sprinkler system in. So we're going to get some help, you know, from the ownership, and then we'll build it, you know, as we can, because there's got to be a sprinkler system, there's got to be restrooms, and parking. The parking was brought up earlier. Well, we now, we have, and Kevin, thank you for that report. Kevin spent a lot of time on this, a lot of time. But we're an HOA member across the street where the Chamber of Commerce is, McCoskey and those guys over there across the street. And then there's a new neighbor, David Wren. And so we pay a quarterly fee to use that parking over there. And then just about a month ago, when World Cup was here, FIFA was here, we made an agreement with CBRE. That's the Chase Bank. Oh, yeah. And we made an agreement with them because, you know, this property over here to the east of us, Bob Johnson and the city municipal towers, well, you know, that's going to go away as far as Bob Johnson is. I think he closed yesterday. And so Trammell Crow is going to come in and develop that area. Well, that's important to us because, like, when you have home openers on Friday – and we can't use the chamber, and we can't use the sub-county courthouse, well, then we'd go over and we did an event. Per event, we'd pay Mr. Johnson a fee for that, just for, you know, a one-day deal. And then, so that's going to go away. So it was real important to have some more parking in place, so we went and made it. We have a year contract with the CBRE people, so that if there is a 3 o'clock first pitch, or if there is a cotton bowl on a Friday night or something like that, we have areas to go. Now, that's a long walk, but we shuttle. We wouldn't be here talking about this today if it wasn't for the shuttle. That shuttle has just been great. You know what it is? It's a service. People don't want to deal. you know with the traffic or drinking and driving and going out there and getting those parking lots and we have for the city for the city has allowed us to go in there and take people get them there and get them back in a safe manner but we have to have a place to park those cars well randy it sounds like you have thought of everything and i just wanted to make sure that you had that address but it sounds like you got the next couple of steps addressed so thank you so much you answered my question thank you sir

Thank you, Randy. I'm up here going, oh, he's telling us even more than we needed to know. I'm excited about this.

I can tell you're excited. Were there any other questions? Commissioner Blake? I'm going to throw a little harsher one at you, and I apologize about that for not coming up earlier. But one of the things that came on upstairs was how the trash can is in the back. Is there any way we can get some screening on that?

Yes. That's an old grandfather deal. And there on the property to the back to the east of us there behind Chiba Hut and Chiba Hut and of course Fuzzy's obviously, there is already an enclosed area for a dumpster. It's closed in there. Now, what we've got in there right now is cones and barricades and stuff like that. But then that can just go to the back. The plan is to develop that front part for the activity and stuff like that. But we're still keeping that back part. We've been releasing that since 1986. Under cook it what I'm getting off here But we have a back area of where we keep our tents and our different equipment for st Patrick's Day for example and then for the Cowboys name So we'll just move that equipment the cones the barricades the stuff that we use for the shuttle We'll move that into the back warehouse and then that would be yes, we could certainly use that and if it done What we have to do because that's It's a big deal. We want it to look nice. We don't want that dumpster just sitting out there in the middle of nowhere.

And really, that was our one and I think our only concern upstairs. So thank you very much, Randy.

We're going to take care of that.

All right.

Any other questions? Randy, you're done. Thank you, sir.

Thank you. I appreciate your time, folks. Thank you so much.

I'm going to read off two of the cards in support. Douglas Forth. Bozard? Very good, sir. You're here and you're a non-speaker. And Juana Carino, you're also in support and a non-speaker. Thank you very much. Are there any other speakers in favor of this case? Are there any speakers in opposition that would like to speak? And finally, is there anyone that wants to say anything who has not filled out a card yet? Seeing none, I believe that we can now close the public hearing. Do the commissioners have any other comments or questions? If not, I'll entertain a motion. I have a motion to approve by Commissioner Blake and a second by Commissioner Sumpter. Commissioner Blake, would you please state your motion?

I would like to make a motion to approve SUP 25-13, 500 East Abram Street, as written.

And Commissioner Sumpter, is that your second?

Yes, sir.

With the addition of the screening on the dumpster.

And I concur. All right, very good. That's the motion. With that, any other comments? Cast your vote. Motion passes eight to nothing with one abstention. Randy, congratulations and look forward to the future. Thank you, sir. Next case. AD 26-16, located at approximately 511 North Davis Drive. This is an application for approval of a change in zoning from RM-12, Yeah, I'm sorry. Excuse me. I took that out of order. We're going back to the case that was listed second. My apologies. PD 26-15.

Oh, I'm sorry.

Yeah. Thank you. PD 26-15, located at 6203 Tempest Drive. Application for approval of a planned development to allow a garage conversion... at a property built after 1984 and zoned residential single family RS5 on approximately 0.138 acres. At this time, staff will make its report. Thank you, Alex.

Good evening. Alex Van Amburg, planner with Planning and Development. Presenting this case, it is in a residential single family five neighborhood. All properties surrounding it are also zoned RS5. And they are asking for a planned development to permit a conversion of the garage. The reason they're coming through as a planned development is that this does not meet the unified development code standard that only homes built before 1984 can convert their garage into a living space. If it is after 1984, they would have to build another two car garage on the property, and that is not feasible here. They have already completed the work, received a notice of violation, and then came into the city to see what could be done. Their only path forward is approval from council because this is a deviation from the development code. Here we see the layout of the house and then the site plan for the garage conversion with the bedroom bathroom storage area closet. And then the elevations, they removed the garage door, added two windows and an exterior door, and then siding all the way down to the ground. This is in an established residential area. Uh, we do want to encourage the development of housing choices to meet the needs of many residents. Um, however, this does not really fit in architecturally with the rest of the neighborhood. Just having that front entrance kind of right out there, uh, nearer to the street. And then, like I said, the one deviation that they are requesting is to convert a garage into living space without providing an enclosed two car garage on the property. Staff recommendations, if the commission decides to approve this or recommend it to council, is to add a canopy over the new entry door or some of the other things that were discussed, maybe removing that door, maybe moving it to the side of the building. The applicant is willing to consider these things with you. And we received two letters in support. They both came from the house south of the subject property. And I'm available for any questions.

Thank you, Alex. Do the commissioners have any questions at this time? Seeing none, I'll ask the applicant to come forward, Cindy McCoy. Cindy, if you would remember to simply state your name and the city that you live in, and then the floor is yours, and the clock will start when you start speaking.

I'm just going to read a letter because I don't really know what I'm doing here.

So Cindy. And I'm Cindy Dean McCoy. Cindy, thank you. And what city do you live in?

Arlington. Thank you. Yeah, that was my first sentence. Cindy Dean McCoy. I live at 6203 Arlington, Texas. And I'd like to explain why I made the conversion. And let me change my glasses. I can't see with these glasses. I'm sorry. In 1987, my husband was on his way home from work when another driver came into his lane and caused a head-on collision. After five years and 11 surgeries and rehabilitation, my husband could walk again, but was unstable. When taking a shower, he has to sit down. We put a bench in the shower, but it was cumbersome. It was difficult for him to get in and out, and he feared falling. We put a bench in a bathtub, but stepping over the bathtub wall was dangerous for him. In fact, since the accident, he has fallen in the bathroom, which resulted in a broken hip. He kneels on the floor next to the bathtub to wash his hair. He uses a washcloth and a bucket of water to substitute for his shower. When my husband's parents passed away, he inherited some money. I gave up our garage and used the funds to build him a fully handicapped bathroom with a bedroom close by. We not only lost a garage, I gave up my car, and he gave up his antique Mustang passed down from his grandfather. That left us with just two vehicles, so we did not have to park in the street. For the first time in years, my husband has a luxury of taking a shower. He has an Iliosmi bag, which is another result of the accident. The bag leaks, and sometimes being able to take a shower is much better than a washcloth and a bucket of water. The thought of having his ability taken away from him to take a shower is heartbreaking. This is our dilemma. The builder did not pull the proper permits for the work he did. I am so frustrated that we cannot depend on people doing their job correctly. Now I am in violation. If the permits had been pulled, I would have been aware of the restrictions of a garage conversion. This is my plea. I would like to plea for a hardship special exemption. I am not able to physically construct a replacement garage, cardboard, or extra driveway. Our lot is very small, and doing so would violate city backups regulations. If this exception is granted, I would like to request rectoactive permits so I can start the process of inspecting the builder's work. Thank you very, very much for your time.

Thank you very much. Questions? Wow. Mr. Johnson?

Mrs. McCoy, thanks for being down here. We appreciate it. This is probably more for those who may listen in on this later or who may have expectations maybe raised from tonight. I just want to emphasize that not having proper permits, not having proper zoning compliance, that kind of thing, is a serious matter. And the default position is no, it's not approved. And merely because you did it without knowing and without going to get it first is not an excuse. Having said that, this commission may well approve this tonight and council may well approve this when it goes before them. But I want to emphasize that, first of all, that this is a unique set of circumstances and it's not precedential or anything like that. Your situation is certainly noted by all of us. Staff has talked about making the front of the garage that's now a unit not look like an entrance. And some of those things would include removing that door, putting a window in its place or something like that. I understand you're talking with staff about all that and you're willing to do that.

Yes, can I respond to that?

Absolutely.

The reason why I put the door is that for the safety of the house caught on fire and my husband had to get out of that room, trying to climb over those out a window, he was sure to break his hip. And that's the only reason why I put the door. But they want the door gone, the door will be gone. Okay. It's up to, you know, I want to be compliant. Yeah.

okay that that's that's fantastic to know and um that you're you're offering that you would only park in the driveway is very important um you know our city streets can only handle so much and still allow fire trucks to go through and that kind of thing so i i also want to say thank you for making that offering and and just pointing out that you do intend to park in the driveway that's that's that's that's wonderful um i i i think mr chair that's all i have

Very well said, Commissioner Johnson. Any other questions or comments? Commissioner Maddox.

Thank you, Chair Nunez. I'll tell you that the fact that you're here more or less asking for forgiveness instead of permission has caused me much consternation. I even told the guys upstairs that I've changed my mind on this at least three times in just the short time that we were discussing it. Understand your situation and understand what you're trying to do here. My leanings tonight is to vote yes to approve this. Thank you. But you need to understand that the inspections will occur, and some of those inspections may be destructive. In other words, you may have to tear out a wall. I understand.

I have to break open walls and digging floors. I understand that will have to happen.

Yes, yes. But like I said, I've gone back and forth with this at least three times in the last 45 minutes.

I appreciate it.

Any other comments? Commissioner Winkles.

First off, thanks for coming and sharing your story of why. While why doesn't always give us permission, asking for us to grant permission after the fact is something... one of the things that i'm concerned about and i think this was brought up even in our discussion is that the front of the addition or the enclosure that you've made looks like an after it's done after the fact right when you go through this process of the inspections and Potentially, if we request you to remove the door, would you be opposed to changing the front of that from 100% siding to some brick along there to give it more of the appearance as though it was always part of your original home? You mean remove the windows? no i'm not asking you to remove the windows i'm just saying siding ages and if it's not maintained and painted regularly it looks dated and it looks like it's falling apart my question is would you be opposed to putting brick that matches the sides of the front of the regular facade of your home which is brick along the the west side i think or the east side the brick along the front where you've enclosed that instead you have siding from the top all the way down to the floor I got you. Okay. And I'm saying could you put some brick along the front? Brick where the garage door was. Maybe up to the window, around the window when you closed in that door to give it less of an appearance of I've enclosed the garage by adding a wall and putting siding on it.

If that's what I need to do, I'll do it.

Okay. Not looking to add expense because I know these are not cheap.

I'll get the funds. If that's required, I'll do it.

Those are things that would be more applicable to appeasing the neighborhood aesthetics.

Mr. Blake. I want to clarify some of that a little bit better and make sure that we're all on the same page. So essentially, change up. Have big windows. I don't care. Little windows. But make that brick. And I understand your concern about getting out. And a suggestion that may help, if it's amenable to you and satisfies city code, is instead of that door facing the driveway, have that door face, I guess, towards your front door. go on the side rather than on the front. So it's not changing the look of that house as much on the front.

It kind of looks... Oh, yeah, it would go into the closet. I guess I'd have to relocate the closet.

Yeah, maybe relocate. Unfortunately, you're going to have to do it again. I want to be real blunt with you. I thought I had my mind made up upstairs. So...

But, I mean, if that's – I've changed it. If they want us to put it on – the other side is all brick, and that would probably be expensive to break the brick down and put a door. Yeah, I think if you just do that – I'd have to remodify the floor.

Doing it to the – Move the closet. Looking at it, doing it to the left I don't think will work, but I think doing it to the right might work. And I think staff can help you with that. Okay. Because all you'd have to do is punch a hole there, put a door there, and then have a little sidewalk. And I think you can work that out. Okay. And, you know, Commissioner Johnson said upstairs, how do we find a yes? So I think that's how we find a yes. So you want to relocate the door to the south side? Yes, ma'am. Okay. Well, I'm going to say the south.

Yeah. I'll say it a little differently. The door needs to be relocated. Where it needs to be located, staff might be able to help you with that because you bring up a valid point. If you're adding a bedroom, you have to have an exit. and if staff says that what you have is adequate and meets fire code then all you have to do is get rid of the door but if staff says you're going to have to add a door then we want the door moved from where it is now to either the north or the south side facing the sidewalk or facing the side but staff will be able to help you with that what we're going to recommend when we make our motion is we want that door removed from the front

Gotcha.

Okay, that's what we're asking for. Any other comments? Commissioner Talambas.

I mean, my opinion on the door is that it just needs to be removed. I don't necessarily think that the windows, two, three, four windows, however many windows there are, allows enough egress to accommodate an emergency situation or going back through the regular house like all the other bedroom occupants would have to do is just to go through that to the front door or some other way around. Right. I just agree with you. Let's just leave it at remove the front door and leave it up to staff to work whether or not a door is actually required.

Okay.

Any other questions? Commissioner Sumpter.

Just really a comment, and you probably already realize this yourself, but lean on the city staff for qualified contractors. They have a database and list of those that are already preregistered to the city that understand the process and the permits that are required. So you're not in the situation down the road again. But I just wanted to make that point.

I didn't know that.

That's why I wanted to bring it up because not most people know that. But asking the question and getting the answers so you can actually make a decision on who you would want to use that will actually take care of you and do the job right the first time. So I just wanted to point that out.

Any other comments or questions? All right, thank you very much. Thank you. Appreciate your presentation.

Thank you very much for your time. Go ahead, Sarah.

Yeah, I just want to clarify, staff can provide you a list of contractors. We can't make a recommendation because we can't play favorites with people. I understand. So I just wanted to clarify that.

I understand that.

Okay.

Very good. Are there any other speakers in favor of this project? Are there any speakers in opposition? Saying none. Are there any other questions from the commissioners? Commissioner Blake.

As I change my mind from upstairs to downstairs, I want to put it on the record for everybody that comes after. I believe this woman. I've had people that come up here that have told us stuff that I do not believe. And it was a little bit of a jump to switch to a yes, but I have. But I want to be clear to those that ever watch this video going forward, it's not always going to be a yes. And I hope the rest of the commission feels the same way.

Any other comments? Well, I will add that I agree with that sentiment. A lot of us upstairs or a no vote on this. These are very unique circumstances. I like that phrase a lot. Very unique circumstances. And I shared with my fellow commissioners that when I first read and heard about this case, my first inclination was to be angry. Because we know that there are, throughout the city of Arlington, projects that are being undertaken that are not following the proper processes. Many of those cases never get reported to code enforcement. Unfortunately, or fortunately for us, for the city, yours did. and the consequence of doing something without permission, in a worst case scenario, we would say no and we would ask you to tear it down. I say that for the public to understand that this is a serious matter, that you are not allowed to build something to your home without getting a permit from the city. So with that, I'll entertain a motion. I have a motion to approve, oh excuse me, before I do that, Any other comments? Seeing none, I'm going to close the public hearing and ask for a motion. And I have a motion to approve by Commissioner Semptor and a second by Commissioner Winkles. Commissioner Semptor, would you please state your motion?

Yes, sir. A move to approve PD 26-15, address at 6203 Tempest Drive, an application for approval of a plan development to allow a garage conversion at a property built after 1984 and zone residential single family 5 with the condition that the existing door in place be removed.

Very good. And Commissioner Winkles, is that your second? With that, cast your vote. The brick siding? No. Commissioner Scepter, what about the brick siding or some portion of brick on the front?

I'm OK with the way it is now. If the commission wants the brick, I'm happy to add that.

Commissioner Blake? Are we OK with the motion as is? All right, very good. Commissioner Winkles, you're OK with the motion as is?

Yes.

Cast your vote. Motion passes nine to nothing. Very good. Ms. McCoy. Look forward to being able to do what you need to do. Okay. You're very welcome. God bless you. Next case PD 26 dash fifth. No, sorry. Next page. PD26-16, located at 511 North Davis Drive. Application for approval of a change in zoning from RM12 to plan development PD for RM12 with a development plan on approximately 0.256 acres. At this time, I will call on staff to present its report on zoning case PD26-16.

Good evening, Commissioners. Virginia D'Antidio, Senior Planner for Planning and Development Services. The case before you tonight is 511 North Davis. The applicant is requesting a plan development for residential PD RM 12 to construct a three town home unit in the back of an existing duplex. Before you are current site photos of the existing three-story duplex off of North Davis. And for context, there is site photos of the property currently to the left of the site, which is a single-family home. And a cluster of duplexes on the right, right next to the existing site. Before you is a landscape plan of the proposed site. The applicant is proposing trees off of the east side of the property. I did want to note that the townhome units he is proposing are also three floors. The first floor would be a garage. The second floor would be two bedrooms with two bathrooms. And the third floor would be another bedroom with a bathroom. And in the middle for context is the proposed trash area for the proposed townhome units. They will be asked to bring all the trashcan units all the way to the curb here, just for context. Here is a site plan for you to review. There is only one single driveway proposed for this site, and there is two parking spaces, guest parking spaces proposed at the end of the lot. There is also a visualization for you for the fire hose lace if they ever need it. if it were to ever come to that. Above are applicant elevations for you. I did want to point out that these elevations are not entirely accurate, simply for the fact that this site shows two streets on the end, and this is an infill lot, so the site is actually a lot tighter. So just wanted to point that out to you. The applicant is proposing deviations for the lot depth. The requirement for RM12 is 100 feet. The applicant is proposing 64-foot lot depth. And also, he is proposing the total width of the garage required. For RM12, it's 55% of the total width of the site. He is proposing 67%. If the Planning and Zoning Commission is inclined to recommend approval, staff does have three recommendations. The first would be to provide garage doors that are at least 18 feet wide. Two would be to relocate guest parking spaces or provide an auto-turn exhibit demonstrating that vehicles accessing the garages Unproposed lot one can safely enter and exit without encroaching into the guest parking spaces when occupied. And the third would be to consider an alternative development consisting of a second duplex rather than a three unit townhome building. A two unit configuration could provide additional backyard space on the east side and maybe more compatible with the surrounding development pattern. Redesigning the site and building configuration in this manner could also address several of the concerns related to building massing, parking circulation, and impervious coverage. Staff is available for questions, and so is the applicant.

Quick clarification. So the drawings of the townhomes that you saw, did the city draw those or did the applicant draw those? The applicant provided those. Okay, thank you.

Mm-hmm.

So there's an existing duplex there today, so there's two units. What's the density as it is today without the three proposed units?

The site is RM12. He's requesting RM12 with the additional units in the rear.

So what's the existing density as it is today? Is it 12 units an acre or is it less? What is the density today? Okay. Do we know the density with the proposed units?

I do not know that.

Thank you. Staff may have an answer for us before the end of the evening.

Very good.

Any other questions to staff at this time?

I'll look forward to that answer in a few minutes.

With that, I'm going to open up the public hearing. Thank you. I'm going to call for the first speaker, the applicant. I have two cards. I believe the speaker will be Mr. Kahn. If you'll come forward and state your name and the city that you live in.

That's now or proposed? Proposed.

So the answer to the question is there 18, it's a little over 18 and a half units per acre right now. I mean proposed. Proposed.

So proposed 18 units an acre, but it's zoned for 12 units an acre. So that is a deviation.

That is correct.

But that wasn't reflected in the staff report, right?

Doesn't need to be a deviation because he's asking for a PD for the townhouse use. So because these are individual lots, the density is just calculated a little differently. Townhouse lots don't have to be as large as the duplex lots.

All right. Mr. Khan, if you'll state your name and the city that you live in, we no longer require an address.

Imran Khan, Las Colinas, Texas.

Thank you, sir. The floor is yours, and the timer will come up whenever you start speaking.

Well, I'll be very short. This is a very routine townhouse development, just in two phases, essentially. First, I did the duplex, and then now the three additional units. I was going for four additional, but... narrowed it down with staff's considerate comments. Not these current comments, but previous comments.

So next slide.

The thesis of this development is new housing for Arlington. I know this is a small drop in the huge bucket that we need, but this is three families that can have modern, Spacious new housing. That's it. That's the thesis. There's nothing more exaggerated than that. There's tons of these townhouses all around DFW and in Arlington that has popped up. That's essentially what I'm trying to do here. Here's a colored depiction. Now of course these colored depictions, I apologize, it's not exactly 100% accurate to the architectural drawings that were submitted. These are just a colored rendition just to give a depiction of what is being asked to be approved. Two existing lots that were already approved, I'm sorry, two existing units that were already approved, they stay the same, but become two new lots, three new proposed lots at the end of the lot at the end of the existing lot, the front area would become a HOA lot itself and the whole community, the whole development would be managed under an HOA. Here's a great slide here. This is a slide from the base drawing. The base graphic is from the city report. It essentially says it's RM-12 throughout. It's a sea of RM-12. And behind me is Diaper Court, RM-22. So if I was to give a call to Mr. Diaper and say, hey, can I buy this? He literally can put apartments back there. This is dense already. We have two specific support letters. I wasn't able to get a hold of many of the owners because many of them actually aren't even in town. All of them are rental houses over there. The only folks that I could find were these individuals, but the other tenants in the area didn't have any issues. They actually like the development currently that's there. Here's a little picture of the floor plan. As you can see, the bedrooms are significantly, not significantly, but bigger than normal that you might find in new housing nowadays. It will be managed by HOA, professionally managed community. Landscape will be managed, exterior building maintenance managed, roofing managed. That provides a consistent appearance as opposed to five different owners doing five different things. It protects the value, it increases that area's look and feel because it's not being changed by five different owners. And the long term upkeep is maintained by the HOA. And there's a reduced burden on the residents and owners because the HOA would just need to get one landscaping guy instead of five different owners having to get five different landscaping guys. All right, so here's the 3D depiction. Again, I apologize about the streets on the side. Staff and I have been working nine months. I wish somebody said something before because I missed it. I got a little bit of ADHD thing on there and didn't see those there. I got to talk to my artist. So all I'm asking is to approve these three new housing for three new families in town. And that's all I have, unless you have any questions.

Thank you, Mr. Cohen. Do the commissioners have questions at this time? Commissioner Winkles.

I'll be the first. I hope that others will ask some questions as well. My first inclination is to decline this. And full disclosure, I believe in safety. I love your development. I love the architect of your project. I think it's beautiful. It's very contemporary. And that's for some people. Does it fit with everything in the neighborhood? Not technically, but it takes someone to be willing to make a change to get some others to change as well. The reason why I would decline it is for safety reasons. It is a very narrow lot. And... I take great pleasure in supporting our fire and our police. And when my fire truck cannot get in there and maneuver enough to get to those back units when you have a home with a family maybe living there, that might be an issue. I know that They can get a truck in and they can extend a line to where they need to. But for me, that's still not enough. If I were a family living in that in-house and the three units caught on fire and I couldn't get my home saved, I would be very devastated. So that concerns me. Have you considered potentially just doing two units instead of three?

Two would break the bank pretty good. We went from four to three in marketing the development to the council member that's there for that district. He thought four was fine. The other folks that I marketed to didn't have any issues with that. So we went from four to three. Now, with your concern, are you saying sprinklers are new okay? You know what I'm saying?

I, I would do some research before I would say yes to that, but I just find that as a concern, that's one concern. The second concern I have is that you have basically 15 families or excuse me, you have five homes. That's going to be families, right? Hopefully they're each going to have two cars. They're going to park in their garage. Each of them are going to have grandparents and aunts and uncles and family members. And you have two spaces. And yes, they can use Davis, but Davis is not ideal for street parking. As a matter of fact, some of that is no parking on the street.

I don't think they could use Davis.

Yeah, I was going to say, some of it's no parking. So it creates some limited space there for that. And I find that as another issue that I would say, how do we address that? Is there potential? If you went to two units, I think you have some ability to provide some flex there to give them some more space. But you know the market. It's your job to do that. It's just my job.

How many spaces are you looking for?

At least one to two per unit. They can't even park in the driveway behind their garage. The garage spaces are only, I think, seven or eight feet long, like parking the driveway. And that's not even long enough to put a car without it intruding into the drive space. So to make a turn in that parking area or in that drive area, it's even difficult. So multi-point turn. mean I rubbed a curb today and was annoyed so I think that that's an issue but I think that we have to find I love your project I wish it were a different lot size I wish it were a different space to give you what you want because I do think it's got value I just don't know that that's the right space for it does that make sense sure

Yeah, it's essentially the existing developed larger developments that are out there right now in Arlington. This is just a, you know, just copy paste. It's not anything extraordinary. I didn't come up with it. Like, oh, we've got this business plan. It's probably more spacious than what's out there right now. It's just the other ones are just huge, right? So it's like 50, 60 units. So for those, it may look like they have more parking. But to be honest, as the market guy here, as I own multiple of these around town, people just don't hang out like that anymore. They usually meet at a restaurant, probably at Jay Gilligan's. Usually, if you're asking a market question, folks aren't hanging out with four or five cars anymore.

Commissioner Sumpter and then Commissioner Maddox.

So you mentioned you own other properties where you've done something similar like this, correct? Yes. And you just made a statement that there will be an HOA here for all the different homeowners at this property. So is your intent to sell the lots or you're going to? These are for sale. These are for sale.

These are for sale, absolutely.

So you have no intentions of renting these?

Unless I can't sell it, yeah.

So did you build the existing structures? I built the duplex, yes. And you sold those?

That guy had a hammer. He broke the old house down.

Interesting. So you don't rent that today?

Say that one more time.

Do you rent those?

Those are rented today, but I didn't build it to rent it. I built it to finish out this project and then sell all five. I don't want to hold on to these.

And for you to not break the bank, having three additional units. So when you built the first two, was that your original intention?

Well, I don't want to get into the first two, why it was just two. It's a little drama. I wouldn't want to talk about it in public. But if you ask the questions, I'll answer them. But there's a reason why we have to do it in two phases. There's a lot of barriers to minorities developing. And there's a lot of barriers to small scale development. INVESTORS DEVELOPING. YOU KNOW, THERE'S A LOT OF BARRIERS TO START, WHAT DO YOU CALL IT, MOM AND POP SHOPS DEVELOPING. TWO PHASES LOOK LIKE A GREAT APPROACH. I'M IN THE MIDDLE OF IT. LET'S SEE IF IT WORKS.

Yeah, I didn't finish my question, but I was just trying to understand cost, one, because I certainly know what that is. And I do agree with you that housing is a shortage in the city, in DFW, in the nation. So these unique types of developments need to occur, but I think they actually have to be realistic as well, and they actually function well. We've had quite a few of these types of developments come across our board for recommendation and we've had great comments and they've gone back to the drawing board and come with a plan that actually realistically can work. I see all kinds of things that don't meet city requirements with the plan, the fire lane, the parking. I don't see how somebody can park at the rear and actually get out safely.

Oh, are you talking about that comment about the turning radius?

Well, I'm just looking at the plan that's on the screen right now. If you parked in those parking spaces, I don't see how you could back out. I just don't see how that could happen.

Can we get the site plan up here? Can I pull up the site plan? I don't have the site plan here. Is it possible to share the site plan? I saw that comment, and again, it's one of those comments that I wish as a small developer we'd get early on or in the middle of the comments, sit back and forth, because we've been working with the city for nine months, and this is the first time I saw it is when this report was published. But I was just doing some math on the drive over, and I'm not a great math guy, so I'll have to write it down. It's 18-foot parking spaces is a pretty decent-sized parking. That's the standard.

That's the standard, 9 by 18.

And if we could pull up the site plan right there, I'm just doing some math off the top of my head here. So we got 12.9 from the front there. You see at the bottom right there, 12.9. Plus there's a five foot for the door. Plus two foot before the garage door starts. That's what you got. 13 plus 5 is 18. So that's actually a 20-foot space, which is I'm not sure how the comment came up that that would be a turning radius issue because it's bigger than a regular parking spot.

So you're saying if somebody parks in those parking spaces, they're going to back out the entire way? Say that one more time. The parking spaces that we see to the right of this screen? Yes. They're headed and parked. To exit, they're going to back out.

Are you saying you don't like the position of it, or are you saying you don't like the turning radius?

I'm just saying I don't think they can get out of that space safely.

Oh, okay, okay. Not the turning radius comment from the report.

And you make the statement that you had to wait for staff to make that, I guess, recommendation. This is not your first rodeo and your first plan. You should know what works and doesn't work.

I think 20 foot works, but I don't know. I can definitely go back and look at that. I just want to make sure I address issues that are addressable, because if the city's parking space is 18 foot, and somebody's saying, well, there's 20 foot there, but you know what? We're going to have turning radius. It's not an engineer, because the engineer and the fire marshal gave their blessing. I'm not sure if we can allow planners to dictate engineering turning radiuses. But I will definitely look at it. I will definitely rearrange the parking space. If that's what you're saying is the issue, the arrangement of it, right?

I just want something that works.

I feel like that would work, but I see what you're saying.

Commissioner Maddox and then Commissioner Blake.

I'm looking here at your area for the trash bin. Just doing the math. We will have... ten individual trash bins. And I'm wondering if you feel like that area is sufficient enough, especially when you try to take them out to the curb. You know, that's ten bins.

That is right. And we did the math there. And by the way, the trash bin is a completely voluntary amenity that we're providing. That way they don't have to the trash cans doesn't have to be randomly scattered or not intentionally, but you know how on a weekly basis some individuals may leave the trash can here and there. So I just put that there as a voluntary effort to consolidate the trash bins in one area. My architect did do the math. on the trash can size and fitting five regular trash cans and five recycle bins to be put in. The math definitely works there.

Okay, so maybe I'm not understanding what your plan is here.

Yeah, let me share. Let me ask my question first.

So the trash bin placement area, you're expecting... 10 bins, 10 individual containers to be in that area? Correct. But the trash collector is not going to come in property.

No.

So those will have to be all taken out to the street.

That's right.

And take up part of the driveway.

Take up part of the driveway? No, there's a grassy area where they would put that.

Okay, so we're going to put them in the grass.

Where else would you put them? Isn't that the instructions from the city?

What are the instructions from the city to put it on the driveway? I'm asking you. Where are you planning on putting all the trash bin? You're going to put them in the grassy area.

Yeah, we're going to follow the code provided by the city already. If it's already been established, I don't want to have to reinvent the wheel there.

Yeah. Again, my question is, I have concerns that the area you're talking about, it's not big enough for 10 units. That's my concern.

I understand. I understand. If it's the voluntary trash bin, then we could chunk that out, but I understand. Thank you for sharing that comment. Commissioner Blake?

I want to go back to why we started with two buildings and now we're at five. Because if I was building on that property, I would think that I would have gotten it all platted for five buildings and done that instead of trying for two and now coming back and asking for three more.

Yeah, what's the politically correct way of saying it? This is the business model that works for a small business here in the city of Arlington. This is the model that I find that actually gets results. And so that's why.

So I feel like I'm being fooled. Is that your intention?

Am I fooling you?

The results?

Hold on. So the results that you're getting are, let's get two in, then I'll come get three more?

No, it's because we're getting fooled as the developer. When I initially tried to develop this, the staff came up with a lot of ideas. junk comments on the on the uh permit report where i would have where i had to go hire legislative assistant to get those comments out and i had to lobby local business owners to get those comments out i think you're in the chamber of commerce chamber president called in for comments that don't exist in the code putting it into the report and stopping a permit so the only way for me to move forward and not take a loss on a project is to start earning some money and then try my luck with phase two. Now, phase two may never come and I may never make up the difference, but as a businessman, I have to worry about the full project. As a business, I have to worry about cash flow. I got to get started. If there are constantly comments that come back that doesn't exist in the code book and we have to address those, I'm sorry, sir. I'm not going to make it as a businessman.

So in your original SUP, when you built that, did you have phase one and phase two?

By the code, I do not need to have that.

OK, but I'm asking. I feel like I'm being fooled here. And then I'm going to be very blunt with you. I really don't like the fact that you're saying stuff about the staff not being cooperative, because I've personally dealt with this staff as a builder side and know exactly what I'm dealing with. God bless you. So do not come up here and talk how bad the staff is. I have yet to investigate or find an area where they have not been above board and given the developers everything that they could

God bless you for that.

So I'm also looking at drawings that are not accurate, and admittedly you may not have found them, but again.

Which drawing is not accurate, may I ask?

Well, you've got a road on each side of a building.

That's not a drawing. That's a 3D rendering not for plan submission. The plan submission drawings are highly accurate, are stamped by.

This is what you're trying to get the board to approve. What you gave to the staff, the staff didn't change it. They didn't draft it.

But which drawing is what I'm asking?

Can you go back to the drawing that was the? This is not a drawing.

This is just a depiction. Just a 3D depiction.

To me, that's trying to depict what I'm going to get in the end. Well, I mean- And we've disapproved projects because the drawings were not accurate.

I just want to make a legal, like the legal sense of a drawing for a zoning case, this is not it. The legal representation of a drawing, this is just a 3D rendition. But I can get that updated if that's really, you know, if that's the issue.

So I'm going to jump in now. Go ahead and finish.

I was just going to finish. I think you need to go back to the drawing.

Absolutely. No, if these are comments, and I'm more than willing to come once, twice, three, or even four times, but I just ask to be fair with us. You know what I mean? We're a small business, Arlington, raised, most of my business is in Arlington. Just asking, just to be fair. If it's not in the code, if you're like, hey, man, go above and beyond the code, I'll do it. But just do that instead of, like, coming up with, well, there's no turning radius when it's 20 feet and 18 is the minimum.

I think you're getting an SUP, and that's what you get. It's a PD. I'm sorry, PD. PD, yeah.

So, Imran, let me interject a couple of comments here. Every time this commission sees a plan development with a development plan, For us, our expectation of what we see in a report is that we want to see accuracy, we want to know exactly what we're getting, because it's a planned development. If you were going to take RM-12 zoning, which this piece of property is already zoned RM-12, and if you were going to follow all of the rules and guidelines in the Unified Development Code for RM-12, then You wouldn't be here today. By right, as long as you followed the rules in the Unified Development Code, you could build almost anything within certain appropriate limits. But because you're asking for a planned development, there's give and take here. I'm going to go back to what Commissioner Winkle said. I like the way it looks. What I don't like is the density. And the other thing I don't like is the insecurity I have about the safety of how this is going to be built. I'm going to share with you also, I don't like the fact that we're going to have 10 buckets of either recycle or trash. How are they going to be lined up? They have to be lined up for the truck to be able to get to them. Yeah. Republic's going to tell you they can probably do this, but the practicality of it is they have to be lined up in a straight line and you're going to have five families here, uh, And how are they going to do it? And are they really going to go and grab those buckets and take them to store them in that storage area? No. They're going to leave them out by the street because that's what they, I mean, that's exactly what's going to end up happening. So we see, what you're hearing from us tonight as a commission is we see a lot of problems with this. If you ask for a vote tonight, I can tell you this commission is going to say no. What you heard from Commissioner Sumter was we said no to other people, but we asked them if they wanted a continuance, meaning that we're basically saying to you, you've got to come back to us with a better idea, a better mousetrap, a better concept with a little more accuracy in the dimensions of what it is is going to work for us okay because if you ask us to vote yes or no tonight i can tell you it's going to be a no okay so would you like a continuance or do you want us to vote that's very generous of you and i thank you for that opportunity to do a continuance um

Whatever comments, and I think the comment list, if it needs to be added before the vote, I'm absolutely open to. I'll come back a second time, a third time. I love Arlington. I want to build something when you drive by. You said, wow, that was pretty good. I was part of it. So however many times I need to come back to fix that, I'll do it. So I would love to get a continuance and work on the comments that I've already said or needs to be said before the vote is given.

Let me add one more comment. This one, I'm not sure how the commissioners feel about this. You know, I used to drive by this street going to work all the time. I've been retired for a long time, but I still go up and down Davis all the time. And this house from the street, my wife and I, when we drive by, we've looked at it and go, wow, that sticks out like a sore thumb and it doesn't fit the neighborhood. Now, one can take the position, well, you know that the neighborhood's gonna change. The other position that one could take is, man, why in the world did we ever allow that to occur? I'm not going to tell you today how I'm going to vote one way or the other in the future when you come back, but I want you to keep in mind, try and keep in mind what is north, south, and east of you in mind when you come back. I know you've got to make a profit. I know the numbers have got to work. But what I'm looking at tonight is not going to work.

Any other comments you want to make, Emerald? I had to look up when it became RM12, just so folks know the history of it. July 10th, 2014, when the ordinance passed. Before then, it was a duplex zoning. So 2014, folks that voted on it, the city, the city leadership, felt that whole neighborhood needs to change. because of the existing houses. I just want to keep that perspective in mind.

I don't disagree with you at all.

Right. I appreciate you saying you don't disagree. But the surrounding has not. I guess somebody just did a replant right behind me there today. I wasn't tracking that. Was that RS5 or maybe just single family right behind me. But nothing over there developed until I did this. So it's impossible, there is an impossibility that nobody's developing there, even from 2014 when it was increased in density from duplex to RM-12, so you could do three outright, right? Times have changed, and the housing needs have changed. The demographics have changed. How people live have changed.

Well, you've heard our objections. Right on. You could go on and on, but you've heard our objections. I hope you took notes. Absolutely. And I hope you'll come back with a better concept. Commissioner Finlan.

Thank you. If you are going to accept a continuance on this case, I would like to say I'm not in favor of the materials that you've used on your elevations. I believe that you should use more stone and brick instead of the board and batten. I'm just not in favor of that. I want something that's going to be more sustainable over the years. And I just think it looks better. You have very little brick on this building, all the way around.

I agree. There was a business and political need to do the first units that way. If you want the units in the back to be more brick, I could do it, but I think there would be a deviation because then the comment would come back that it doesn't match the rest of the neighborhood either, actually.

Well, it doesn't look the same as the two that you have established already. So I don't see that being a problem.

Putting bricks back there or not putting bricks back there?

Putting bricks around these three buildings. I mean, to add more bricks instead of the percentage of stone and brick compared to what you have already. I mean, you have very little brick on these three buildings. What I want to see is more brick, more stone, less wood.

even if it's uh um even if it if it makes the new three units different than the first two years they're different already i mean these units don't look exactly like the two units that you have yes so i mean yeah you know i i prefer i do i agree with you 100 i prefer brick and stone more hopefully i get to see y'all in a couple of maybe a month or so for other projects where you'll see uh more bricks and stone but

What I'd like to see is at least 50% to 75% brick and stone on these buildings.

On the 3D buildings?

Yes. Thank you.

Any other comments? Commissioner, please go ahead. I'm sorry.

Just I think it's fair to you to give you comments as you're going to go back to the drawing board. And I think mine is going to be in line with others here that I think it is just too dense. I think I could support two additional units in the back, but three, when you get your density up close to 20 units an acre, it was rezoned arm 12, which is 12. If you get three units on there, like you said, that's by right, you could get three. We could stretch it to four. I could see that. But getting five units on there, I think that's a lot of your problem is just getting so much crammed in there on that quarter acre lot. It's tough. If you just add two on there, you could get maybe the visitor parking you need. um you know a little bit more area for for uh the the trash bins um you could meet that you know the garage door uh comment that came up um so that that that's my that's my thought just i think i could support this with two extra units in the back but i think it's with that third third unit it's it's a lot to fit so those are my thoughts any other questions comments

Commissioner Blake.

Assuming that you're going with the continuance, would you like that October 21st or indefinitely?

Oh, definitely not indefinitely. There's issues with that one. October.

October 21st. Okay.

And does that work with staff?

I did check with that staff.

Just wanting to publicly confirm that for the record that we have consulted staff and staff believes that we can do it on October the 21st? Oh, well, thank you for that. But if you think the 21st works, then that will be a date certain time for him to come back.

I mean, it will be up to the applicant to get drawings back to staff in a timely fashion in order for staff to review and prepare the report for you.

Mr. Kahn, do you think that's enough time for you to get the materials and better descriptions and more realistic things that we can look at?

There's definitely, that should be enough time, and if it's not, I can reach out to staff to follow the appropriate request to extend further.

All right, very good. So I'm going to ask you very directly, are you asking for a continuance? Please. All right, very good. Thank you, sir. With that, I'll ask you to take your seat. Are there any other speakers in favor of this project that would like to speak? I do have a card. Let's see, I have Dr. Asifa Ashraf and Mrs. Yasmin Khan who are non-speakers in support of this project. Are you here tonight? Very good, thank you very much. Are there any other additional speakers in support? Are there any speakers in opposition? saying none. With that, I'm going to close the public hearing and ask if the commissioners have any other...

Excuse me.

Oh, our laptops are... Okay. But I can't close the public session, so I've done that. Or the public hearing. It's closed. So our laptops are kind of having hiccups. Mine did that a little while ago. It just went... They went to sleep and then it had to be rebooted up. Let me get out of here. So are we all back up now? Very good. I'll entertain a motion. there we go i have a motion from commissioner winkles with a second from commissioner greer commissioner winkles would you please state your motion To October the 21st.

My apologies. I would like to make a motion that we accept the continuance request to October 21st for item number PD26-16 at 511 North Davis Drive. An application for an approval of a change in zoning from RM-12 to a planned development for RM-12 with a development plan on approximately 0.256 acres.

Commissioner Greer, is that your second? That is my second. Cast your votes, please. Motion passes 8 to 1 for a continuous.

Mr. Kahn, we'll see you back here in October.

With that, is there any other business before the commission tonight? Do we have any reports from any boards or any announcements? Okay. With that, I want to remind everyone that our next regular session meeting of the Planning and Zoning Commission will be on Wednesday, October 7th at 5.30 p.m. And with that, this meeting is now adjourned. Thank you.