Parks and Recreation Committee - Regular Meeting

Hey. Hey.

Order. Our first item after oh, wait. Attendance. We have one excused. That would be Kevin. And then so this virtually. Next up.

I'd like to to the flag of The United States Of America and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with

liberty and justice for all.

I'm pissed. Because the roads were very bumpy for I had bicycle. Get. So the fourth item on the agenda, approval of minutes from the previous year. We could start with a motion to agree, please.

So moved. Second, Nancy.

Discussion questions, corrections, or minutes?

Okay. When you move, we're concluding the minutes.

And if anyone comes to me, you say aye.

Aye. Second

opposed. K. Great. Next up is public hearing and appearances. I'm going to read our statement about the library board public participation until I get it down. We come to a time of public participation. At each meeting, the library board trustees reserves time for members of the public to express their views on items which appear on our agenda. Is there anyone who who would like to speak in addition to John who you have signed up already? Alright. So please state your name and address for the record. We ask that you keep your comments concise and to the point and limit your comments to five minutes.

Five minutes? John Keller. 1146 East Pacific Street, Appleton, Wisconsin. And during this meeting, there'll be a discussion on the state of Lewis Riggs Unitrust. It is a trust that is administered by Johnson Bank. The trust was an existent for the grantor's son, Richard. Richard passed last year, and there is a distribution to the library. And because we're in charge of the estate, I have to abstain on any or discussion.

Thank you. Our next step is to establish the order of the day. But we know so far that we would like to put item two six zero three four three out of the action item out of consideration for a consent agenda. Is there anything else within the action item assistance that discussed? Request for approval, community partnerships, position change, and to work strategic planning consult consulting contract asked for libraries.

Nancy Sherman, I move to put those items on a consent agenda.

Seconds. I'm putting the name on the consent agenda. Please say aye.

Aye. Opposed?

Okay. But I need to make

a motion to approve the consent agenda.

Move to approve Mark Lehn.

Second.

Even though we filled out that deficiency, is there any discussions with the consent? Only things that they presented in the consent. Right? Right.

Second. Brian Vargas.

So as John noted, he's abstaining from this and discussion.

I I just wanted to mention that the that this memo has been also reviewed by the friends as well as the community foundation, the Fox Valley to ensure that all of the verbiage aligns with the steps that we would need to take in order to take this action. A little bit more context is that because mister Reed's established the student trust back in 1988, that predated the existence of any library foundation in in the way that we currently would would use the foundation. So these days, typically, would leave funds to the friends, which is a merged friends and foundation, so kinda serves both of those purposes for us rather than having multiple entities. And so this has been a long established trust that it just makes sense for us to then take this action, which would then place the the distribution into the Appleton I wanna say it right. The Appleton Library Endowment Fund, which is the primary endowment that provides us with our our largest portion

of grant funds every year.

But principles have been there?

Yes. Yes.

Because if you can make a foundation, then how they manage that? Okay. We did have one question. Is this a single distribution, so trust is closing, or is it an ongoing distribution from

the trust? Single distribution, so the trust would be closing.

Think the question.

Couldn't.

Alright.

We have one extension to the document. To the information item starting in the hiring process. Yeah. So

we have three hiring processes currently running. We have the administrative support specialist. So Caitlin was with us. She is no longer with us in that position, and so we're running a brand new process. We had over 90 applicants this time around, and we are doing interviews on April Fool's Day. So April 1. We have a tech services page clerk in materials management that we'll be running an internal process for. It's a half time position. And then the assistant supervisor for returns who works in the materials management section has turned in her resignation. She'll be going to be a librarian at Kana Public Library. So we're running a full process, and we are currently filing the paperwork for that to be posted soon.

CLC twenty twenty five annual report, which is kinda

And so you have in your packet the annual report for the CLC, and I just kinda wanted to talk through what the CLC is and things like that Mhmm. With you a little bit. So in your package, you'll see the 2025 annual report. And the CLC is a group of 13 mid sized libraries here in the state. And in 2025, two additional libraries joined the original 11.

So you can see us on the map on that page in the yellow there. The CLC focuses on libraries that serve population sizes of 30,000 to a 100,000. The members are libraries that tend to be the largest libraries in our library systems and have no peers in our same system. The group focuses on creating relationships between the libraries through monthly meetings and shared. WILLS, a Wisconsin nonprofit membership organization that serves over 600 libraries and cultural institutions in the state and beyond facilitates the CLC.

They also helped identify the need for this sort of group from data that showed that compared to all other libraries, including small libraries in the state, city sized libraries face unique challenges around budgets, staffing, and buildings, which came kind of as a surprise to those of us who work in this size library that we are act actually, at the time, were worse off than the very small libraries in the state. So the group started in early twenty twenty one and launched its first project later that year. The CLC group works on two year cycles of projects. Our twenty twenty three, twenty twenty four projects focused on supporting our staff. Through surveys and research, we learned that it is middle managers in our libraries that are feeling the largest burden.

And so then we took supportive action in each of our libraries separately to try to help with each library and the problems that they were facing with middle managers and supporting them. Then in twenty twenty five, twenty six, we're working on a data dashboard that takes state annual report data and then also specific elements that the group identified as important and brings them together into a dashboard that offers visualization of the data on a per capita basis. It's very cool. If you're a data nerd, it's a very, very cool. All of this work is possible from the surveys to the data dashboard because one of the Will's facilitators who works with us monthly is a skilled data analyst.

She actually used to be a professor

who is capable not only of building scientific surveys and statistical dashboards, but also of explaining them to those of us who are not data analysts in a way that lets us use them. We hope to use the data dashboard in our upcoming strategic planning process that you just approved, I think, to inform about what other libraries our size in Wisconsin are experiencing and where we fit. We're a proud founding member of the CLC, and we continue to find value in participating in both the community building piece and then the projects themselves. I serve as the APL liaison to the CLC group and also serve on the WILLS governing board, so it's particularly close to my heart. I'm happy to answer any questions at all about the CLC and WILLS.

I just had one small question, Patcha. Actually, my first question was I was surprised that Green Bay was not on this map, then I realized I had to look it up that their population was a little over a 100,000. Right. Right. I wondered whether there is there a national organization like this? Is this the Wisconsin chapter of the CLC, or this is something unique to Wisconsin?

Unique that that Will's built.

That's so interesting. Yes. I'm I'm surprised.

Tasha kind of

thought of

it. So I

it it seems like there would be value too if you're looking for opportunities to expand it. It seems like maybe mid sized libraries across The United States would Right. Right. Be served by something like this, so a national coalition of CLCs.

We're actually thinking that some libraries just a little bit smaller might be interested in starting a group, the Needham and Nasha Mhmm. Kind of group sort because they also face unique challenges and can be large in the systems. And so I think there's an eye towards that. And then Wills does participate in national conferences, and I know is presenting on the CLC nationally this month.

Thank you.

Yeah. Maybe six year next year. It's cool.

And, Mason, just to, I mean, just to kind of support your comment, there is an urban libraries

Yes.

Council for major urban size libraries, and and we are I would say, the topics are similar. However, we are far too poor to afford the membership fee for that organization. It's it's substantial.

Uh-huh.

I have migrated. So

I believe most of you should have one. It's that blue green report that we've been producing this for, six years now. So and it's an opportunity for us to reflect on the prior year and then celebrate our accomplishments as well as a way for us to communicate, about our strategic plan and how we achieve our pillars and our goals. So kind of a strategic tool as well. Additionally, it's a helpful tool for friends to use in the right advocacy.

But if you noticed, we start with an intro letter from Colleen in the beginning. We do that kinda keep the same here And then have a page that highlights high level statistics throughout the year. This year, we also included the first what was it? First month of. I can't remember.

Yes. First month open because that, I felt, like, pretty significant story as well, as far as statistics. And then, also, we pair narratives with of our or we pair narratives with other stats throughout. So we highlighted a variety of library services for children's programs, and then, of course, our library of the year award. Any questions?

And we'll be you are the first to see it. So we'll be publishing it on all of our traditional outlets and then sharing it with staff over the next week.

Hard to believe. It's hard for a full year. Yeah.

Good job. We're growing. Yeah. I'm gonna try this. This always looks so good.

Yeah. Good. But, yes, we love we love having you share them as well.

It's but they need to prompt her comments.

Good

job, I guess. I I am shocked. 600,000 nearly 600,000 items checked out. Yeah. I guess that's insane to think about over a quarter of normal memory visits.

Good job, everybody. Pretty amazing.

Questions then? Yeah.

So, well, I I misnamed this on the agenda. So for several years now, the city of Appleton has done now that's called an a resident leadership academy. It was a citizens academy before that, and then it was app academy at the very beginning. So at least I'm only one name behind, and I've caught up in this presentation. So what I wanted to do was show you what I show them, which should have been last night, but is being rescheduled.

So we're gonna be the first ones to see it. Some of this is gonna be content that you may have seen before, but it doesn't hurt to refresh. Some of it may be brand new to you. And so with that, I I wanna start really, really big. So this is my one opportunity with this leadership academy to talk about all the stuff that most of the time nobody wants to hear about.

And it's so I'm starting big, and I'm getting progressively more as the presentation goes on. So first and foremost, to give kind of the the kind of big picture is that something about the public library that I think is often misunderstood is that it's not about library privileges. It's about library rights. So when you have a driver's license, that's a privilege. Your library access is a right.

And so, the public library is an essential First Amendment institution that has been upheld by courts repeatedly as much as you see here and there, controversial cases going on right now in different districts and local, local governments and around the country. Ultimately, still, as it stands, the the public library is a First Amendment institution, and it is intended to help protect the free flow of information. Your privacy is protected. This is something I think you all know, but the state statutes, forty three thirty, protect the confidentiality of your library use. So what you check out, what you do here, it's nobody's business but yours.

And that is backed up by state statute. And then the library is open to everybody, and it's really one of the last truly open, free spaces, agenda free, content neutral that you will find in the country. Getting a little bit more local, I'm going to talk a little bit about Wisconsin Public Libraries. There's three eighty one public libraries in the state of Wisconsin, all sizes from gigantic multi branch systems that have budgets almost as big as our entire cities probably, all the way down to tiny little libraries that are open a few hours a week. The Wisconsin Public Libraries, the Department of Public Instruction has a division that oversees public libraries, but they're not our bosses.

All of the libraries are funded and governed locally. Locally might be a city like us. It might be a town or a small community, or it could be a county system as well. So whatever locally means for that specific library. And then we contract with OWLs, the Outagamia Packer Library System, which is one of 15 different systems, which is what you see there, all the borders of the systems on that map, to coordinate and strengthen services.

OWLS provides a very important infrastructure, catalog, interlibrary loan, consulting, delivery. They help with cooperative purchasing. So all sorts of things that we could never do if we were all functioning independently. Because we are the largest library in the system, you will find that some services we don't take as much advantage of as others, such as some of the individual technology support. We have our own network services staff here, but they also closely coordinate with OWLs to make sure that we are providing the best service we possibly can.

The library also has a representative on the OWLs board. It happens to be our current board president, and we have a a designated role on that OWLs board as the resource library for the system.

So

next up. To make it more confusing, we're part of a collaboration called OWLS Net, which is actually a partnership between OWLS and Nicolet Systems, and that's more commonly known as Infosoup to most folks. And it's a really great way to make sure that we have access to resources from a huge breadth of libraries. So there's over 50 libraries in that network, and that's why you can put something on hold from, say, Coleman and very possibly get it within just a few days if it's on the shelf. We provide delivery every day of every weekday, so five days a week, which is something that is is quite precious and and important and helps keep materials shifting around the system in timely way.

If you have questions as we're going, by the way, feel free to just chime in. So then just kind of big picture library public libraries in Wisconsin are governed by a citizen board of trustees. That is you guys. The mayor appoints members to the library board, and the city council approves it. Or in a different community, it might be a town board or whatever the governing body of that smaller municipality may be.

And there is one council member on our library board. Right there. We have one school district representative that is virtually, and that is a role that is actually appointed by the school superintendent by statute. And then we also have a county representative who is absent today, but that is is not a given role. That is contingent on the amount of funding that the county provides us based on circulation.

So we have one county representative. There can be up to two depending on that amount of funding. So while you are the ones who govern and and make the policy decisions and the big picture planning vision for the library, the actual strings are held by city council, so you do not have taxation authority. You're you're aware of that. Martin is the only one at the table who has taxation authority as part of the city council, and so that is how our our budget process works moving on to council.

So one more thing about libraries is that there's often friends groups or foundations that are really important advocacy and philanthropic elements. So there's a lot on the screen, but what I wanted to do was was show kind of the division of what does a library director or, like, the staff do, what does the board do, and then there gets to be a lot of confusion about what the friends group is. And so we've got a really phenomenal strong friends group, very important work that they do in terms of fundraising and volunteerism. But I think they're in the in the general public size, there can be a lot of confusion that maybe they're the library board. So you are the trustees of the library.

You are the ones appointed to run the library and be stewards of this resource. And so I just like this slide, Not that I'm gonna run through it all, but just from, like, a snapshot of what everybody's roles are, including the friends. The the board's really important like, one of your really important jobs is to hire me or or fire me if you don't like me and make sure that I'm doing my job. You approve the policies. You make sure that we have up to date policies.

You have you develop a familiarity with intellectual freedom concepts. You make sure we have a strategic plan, which is a very important part of your job that's coming up. And then you work with the municipal governing body to make sure the library has enough funding to do what we need to do. You're an advocate with elected officials and also throughout the community, And it's very important that you're present, you're at these meetings, that you participate, and that you also represent the library in the community as well. There's opportunities for you to engage in professional development or, like, we just have library legislative day, and Mary was at library legislative day.

So, yeah, that's just kind of a high level thing. So then our budget. We are part of the city's general fund, and we are 7% of that city's general fund. So these are snips from the city's budget pages. Don't ask me which of the 600 whatever pages they were on.

And then in that budget, which is 5.2 ish million, 73% of that is personnel. And that really shows that what we are is we are a service organization. Organization. A big part of what we do is circulate materials, and that is one of our other biggest individual budget lines at almost $600,000. But those books and library materials are involved in a bigger service piece.

They first of all, it takes a lot of people to organize and sort and continuously keep those materials available and fresh, but a lot of what we do is is bigger and beyond just the material circulation, just those kind of transactional pieces. And then our purchase services are about 12% of our budget. And and in that category, you're gonna find

where did I

put it? Purchase services. Got it. Right here. And I just moved this page ahead.

One moment. Our purchase services are oh, like, utilities, of course, phone, our facilities charges, which is one of our other biggest budget lines, and then other contracts and obligations, which would include things like our AMH service contract for our automated materials handling system. And then supplies is another big part of our budget. It's actually the second biggest part, and that's primarily materials, general office supplies, supplies for programs, things like that. We have a a nice revenue of 1,300,000.0, most of which is actually from residents.

It's from county reimbursement from residents that use our library that come from communities that don't have a library. So 1 point almost 3,000,000 is a pretty substantial offset to our overall budget. Then we have another revenue line for rental, which is for meeting room rental, and then other reimbursements, which would be for things like photocopy, printing, things like that. We do have we actually had two CIPs. One was some network safety and security upgrades that that Alex is already far into. Are you done with did a lot of it

last week.

Backups, and we're, like, we're halfway through the service. Okay.

So but then the other big one is a CIP for solar. So part of our building project had originally had solar. It was removed, and so we are hoping to have solar added this year. There are sustainability sustainability credits that we got from this building project that would be used to fund this. It is not intended that this would be additional tax dollars for for the community. This would be because of things like the geothermal that were put into this building, had green credits that came back to us, we would be able to fund the solar. So we're still waiting for a few things kind of that are happening in the neighborhood to play out, but we'll be meeting with facilities in the

next month or so of

the upcoming year, and and we'll be able to come back to you with more information when we have that. So it's it's a new era for our library. Exciting times for sure. And what I do with the resident leadership academy is talk a little bit about our programs and services as kind of a reward for them tolerating the really boring stuff that I just went through. And if it wasn't boring to them, I really wanna talk to them later because they may wanna sit here someday.

So so, yes, some of this is gonna be you'll see based on our current strategic plan, which Tina uses every year in our annual report, and we use in a lot of our communications. So educating and inspiring youth, both children and teens. We have a children's area that's now designed to support all developmental stages. It's a really beautiful space where you can see the kind of empowerment and the kind of curiosity and exploration that can happen in a space that's well designed in addition to structured programs like you see portrayed here. Teens.

Teens have a great welcoming space right next to the Verastona Flex Donor Flexbox where we do a lot of the teen programs, a lot of opportunities to either, you know, do your thing on your computer, work in small groups, and our staff do a really wonderful job creating programs for that age group. Services and programs for all, And these really run the gamut from our career, our our job connection, our resume and cover letter support, the space itself with The US venture coworking space, health and wellness programming with health literacy and food literacy, the no questions asked collection, the newly instituted blood pressure monitors, creation and innovation, which is something that I think is a real point of pride for us, the artist in residence program, flip side streaming service of local musicians as well as concerts featuring those flip side artists and a lot of different creative programming, different digital literacy initiatives from one on one tech help programming ranging all the way from email basics to how to use, like, NotebookLM or other AI services. This is really a place where no one should be left behind. It's a place where no matter what access you have to these tools or if you don't have a grandchild that could teach you how to use these tools, we we will be your proxy grandchild for that little bit of time.

Civic engagement, a huge part of what we do from local history, community forums, our community information board, which I think is one of the I just love walking by it all the time. It's one of the coolest things, I think, that being an informed citizen is something that you can do at your library and then being a part of access to various local organizations. We're another door to those organizations in providing services to folks in need.

For the health and wellness section Yeah. You're showing? Sorry.

Yeah. I can go back. Maybe.

So is this something, like, literacy, food literacy, and then the blood pressure monitors, which I didn't know we had? Is this something we're partnering with, like, Mellon, ThetaCare, or somebody like that where doctors, PAs come in, or is this more, here's some good literature. If you have questions, talk to a doc.

Yeah. So the so health literacy could take different it could look differently. It could be one on one at a service desk where somebody's coming in wanting to learn how to research something. We're not giving medical advice, but we're helping them learn how say they just got a diagnosis, and you're at the doctor and you're just overwhelmed. You can come here, find more, find a book, find other resources.

So it could be one on one. It could be in a structured program where we're bringing in an expert on a topic. Food literacy, we've been doing a fair amount of food literacy programming. I think there's a picture from one of our opening sort of almost opening day programs or was it opening day program with Tasha Banks doing food demo in the Flexbox. We've had various tea programs. So so their the food literacy is either hands on or more informational and unprogrammed. Blood pressure monitors is a partnership that we have with DePierre, do you wanna talk about that, actually?

The American Heart Association, they provided a station for us with a a standing blood pressure monitor, and then we also have some cuffs that can go home too and circulate as well. And

that's that one's pretty new, like, two weeks.

Yeah. A couple of weeks.

Yeah.

Published a blog on our so it's on our website now.

Oh, cool. Cool. Okay. Yep.

My blood pressure is hopefully fine. Check

out a blood pressure map.

Right.

Yes.

Okay. I've seen Partnership Community Health here before too. It's just tabling up front or formal program.

Yeah. Partnership Community Health, I think, has been a table often around the health care enrollment time because they are one of the organizations that helps people find whatever their health insurance provider is for the health insurance marketplace. So it could be that. It could be TechWitty is another one. So United Way Fox Cities has a grant, and they are doing an initiative of laptop giveaways.

And so that has happened in the commons and will be coming back, I believe, soon. So folks register that are eligible, and they come and pick up their laptop here. Could be Valley Transit, teaching people how to navigate the bus system, feeding America. Did I say that?

Yep. Thank you. Yeah.

Any other questions on this slide? So another one of our our values is to be a city of literacy and learning, and actually, think that we're really proud of the work that we've been doing in this area. I'm not gonna steal Peter's thunder about Fox City's reads yet, but that that did just occur. The summer reading program is a large part of what we do. Really helps mitigate the summer slides so children and teens don't regress during summer from all the progress they've made during the school year.

It also has many adult participants as well, and so that's something that we're very proud of. And then being a resource for book clubs. So we just passed the Wednesday club book club hub on the way in here, but we also have these great spaces where book clubs can come and meet. And you will see that, I think, most often in the David L. And Rita E.

Nelson Family Fund on conference room because it has that kind of living room like vibe, but you do see a lot of book clubs using the space in different ways as well. So these are some of those numbers that were in the annual report that you've already seen. And just keep in mind, this was from February 15 until December 31. The meeting and study room bookings are I think were quite a shock to all of us even though we knew that was gonna be a strong area. So just something that I think to to just kind of reflect on what an amazing year it was.

Colleen? Yes? Back on the meeting and, you know, as you said, we really felt that that was gonna be a big number, a bigger, but I'm not sure have you reported back or has anybody have we looked at meetings that have been revenue?

We can do a report on that.

Because I was curious about that because we you know, obviously, we had to set up a policy for that, and I'm just curious as to how many things have occurred on that venue rather than the open, you know, use of the library meeting rooms.

Yeah. And I can I can say so for last year, I think we had budgeted $15,000 for revenue, and I don't know that we hit $15,000? It wasn't quite. And this year, we may hit that or not, but I think what's been kind of comforting is that it does get used in that way. But because we are pretty restrictive about that, it's not snuffing out what it's originally intended for, which is free access to educational, cultural programming for the community.

Like, that's the main point. We aren't trying to be an event center. And so by not allowing alcohol in the room, we don't get, like, events that are are going to be the higher revenue generating events. And I think that is where if we did offer that in a limited way in the future, we would want to be cautious with how we executed that because we don't want it. I was looking to reschedule the resident leadership academy sometime in the next six weeks for the city, and there's only two dates of the ones that they wanted that are available. So it's heavily used already for the primary intent.

And and I guess I was asking that because for those of us who've been on the trustee board a long time, we had those conversations years ago. Right. You know, and you forget how time has gone, but those are initial conversations we had about what what types of things would we allow and and charge a fee for and maintaining the real, real gem of having it open to the community events that were needed. So I really appreciate having that knowledge for everybody. Thank you. Thank you.

Next up, strategic planning. So there's, I think, a lot to be excited about. And so one thing that we heard from every single strategic planning consultant that we spoke to is that engagement right now is really, really hard. And so we have various ways for folks to be engaged by design in this process that that we asked every consultant to consider and that fast forward has also proposed. But anything that you can do once we have kind of those specific plans out to you to get folks engaged will be really appreciated.

This is has gotta have the community's voice incorporated into it. You don't wanna just have a bunch of folks in a room deciding the strategic plan for the library. So we'll we'll get information to you, and anything you can do to help get the word out and get folks engaged will be very, very appreciated. So now we finally have a tool that can help us dream with this building, and and it's an exciting time to do our planning. Any questions?

Children's. Children's. And I think Anne, once again, is not here. Okay. And she did submit a written report.

Great. Well, I'll share both the three programs that have occurred, since we last met, and then I'll pitch a couple programs to you, hopefully, to attend and come back to the library. First, on the ninth, APL hosted a job fair in collaboration with the department of workforce development, and we saw 101 individuals come to that job fair to learn about openings in the area or to further their career. In chatting with one of our adult services librarians, Kenneth Mack, he shared that many of the organizations shared that they had participants who are already scheduled for interviews. So it was a very impactful event for those who attended, but then also for the employers who participated.

On the tenth, our local history librarian joined our team librarians for a bigger special program titled American Beets, Revolutionary Recipes for Teens. Together, they made or recreated some recipes that were popular during the founding of our country, Johnny cakes, warm mulled cider, and they also had a take home baked apple activity for the kids so they could learn in the library and then bring it to maybe their parents or their grown ups or even their siblings. And then last Thursday, we had the Fox Cities Reads Author Event. Remarkably bright creatures is the Fox Cities read for this year. So Shelby Van Pelt, the author, came in, and we saw incredible attendance at that event.

We had over 500 people come. The room, you know, has a certain limit to it.

Which We should have built a figure. Right?

So we cut people off once we hit the max capacity for that room, but then welcome people to stay in the welcome hall just outside to hear if they could. And it and then once the welcome hall filled up, we'd welcome people to come back for the book signing after the event. Wow. The book signing was really remarkable. It quite literally stretched from east to west.

The line started on the east end of the building and extended all the way to the west end and even started curling. So little bit. The presentation was awesome. Really fun to hear from an author about their process in writing, the effects afterwards, and then really cool to hear from community members in the line and after the program and how the the book has impacted them. Because the line was so long, there were plenty of opportunities for people to chat. Folks were in line for two hours, but we got Shelby out of here before the library close,

which is a really great accomplishment.

April, we're welcoming our newest artist in residence, Justin Key. He is a photographer and really excited to be engaging with the library and with our patrons. If you go on to the library's online calendar, a pl.org/calendar, you can type in Justin Key and see how many programs he has scheduled. One I would recommend, though, for you is happening on Saturday, April 11. Justin will be hosting an urban photo walk. So we'll walk around town. Hopefully, no snow will be Yeah. April 11. Maybe we'll have a little

bit of snow.

And so folks will take photos. Justin will guide them through the process of looking at the world's true photographer's eye or lens, if you will. And then a week later, Justin's welcoming folks back into the library to share the photos they took on the walk. So if you're interested in attending, again, Saturday, April 11, and there'll be plenty of other engagement events with Justin.

End of our agenda. I have to entertain a motion to.

So moved.

I think we're. Aye.

Have a good night. Bye, Angie.

Oh, what is that?

I wanted so badly to be who knows out

of town for bad things. Maybe I would have not.