Health and Human Services Commission - Regular Meeting

Alright. So I'd like to call the city of the county of the of for the commission's special meeting, 02/23/2026 to order. They stand for the pledge of allegiance and its over on a desk with miniature flags. I pledge allegiance to the flag of The United States Of America and to the republic for which it stands. One nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice. Okay. Roll call. Okay.

Let's see. Chair Brennan?

Pardon.

Vice Chair Danford?

Present.

Commissioner Montgomery? Present. Commissioner Kristalik? Present. Commissioner Smithson?

She's not.

Commissioner Mikeland? Here. And commissioner Wood? We have a clerk here.

Here we go. Thanks. Okay. Is there a I I move that the health and the service community accept the consent agenda as presented. I so move.

I second. Commissioner Montgomery? Yes. Vice chair Danford? Yes. Commissioner Kisalek? Yes. Commissioner Michael? Yes. And then chair Brennan?

Yes. Okay. Okay. All business? I'm not aware of any.

The only announcement that I do have to make is obviously, Abby is not here this evening, so I'll be helping you guys out tonight. And then we did receive notification for miss Wood that she has a conflict of interest again this time, so she will not be joining us to make a decision on this application. So, you know, in the past, I think she misconstrued that contract.

And so I just checked that with one agency that we've had to confirm. But she could abstain from deciding on that.

She just decided to recuse herself from the whole process at this point.

I mean, I I I think that'd be very judicious, but that could work. So she absolutely. This year.

Yes. For yeah. Basically, because that this is the main function. So, you know, unless we do something after this part of it, she won't be joining us. I can't you. I can't remember, but I'm sorry. So I'm just wondering if you just wait for the camera, but I yeah. Gotcha. Okay.

So that was a great question. In other words, since she's refused herself tonight, she's gonna refuse herself in

this? For all the application process.

Yes. Okay. Mhmm. Alright. Thank you for clarifying.

Technically, she's not on the board. Yeah. Okay. That is

the Okay. We we had this. I remember that. Yeah.

We got a couple where we had. But

the nice thing is that she can put input and give us information, but she's just choosing not to vote right at Devon.

Because she represents all of the concessions. Yes. Money station because of she.

Understand. Okay.

There she is. Okay. She's got her school teacher clothes off. Yes.

Okay. So I think we end our quote. Yeah. Alright. So new business. Presentation discussion about the patient submitted at fiscal twenty six, twenty seven. And, you know, let me just add and assign. In the application, people were putting down 25, and, actually, it is exactly as stated here. It is bifurcated here because you're half a year in one year and half on the other. Yeah. And I wish that that would be clarified so that people then could say for this year that it's it's two part year.

Yeah. Isn't a good

word. You're bringing it

to the source. You're bringing it to the third.

Yeah.

What you're bringing? Can you say

it right? Yeah. No. Clearly not. Nor did I bring it.

So since Eddie's not here, any any any discussion of of that deal?

Well, however you guys want to go through the outpatients, I have them up here. We can pull them up so you can just let me know which one you wanna discuss, and I can pull it up here. Couldn't access

them on my tablet or my phone. When I went to the Hotlink, I couldn't bring them up.

Oh, okay. So I I'm going

blind right now. I haven't seen them.

Oh, okay. We also sent them out in an email. Did you not That

was in the email.

Oh, okay.

In the email, it was just like this, and it had the lakes,

and I was unable open. Oh, okay.

My tablet phone. Okay. Wow. But you know what

I was talking about.

What I found is that I was looking in wrong place, and it showed up in the right upper margin. And it said file open. Sure. No. No. Yeah. What's happened to this? And he said, okay. So I'll follow along. That's right.

Just let me know which one you guys wanna start with, and I'll follow that one. Okay. Whatever. May know. We'll trade it. We'll We'll Okay. We'll start with a new. I mean, if you guys have discussion already or if you want me to breeze through it. There's been

no discussions yet if you haven't seen them yet. Well, I well, that's

You do? Yes, sir. Thank you.

That's a. So I this was in in sort of solidarity with this. This is one that I had for a long time refused myself because I've been a medical director for them for some time. But that ended in 2010, so I think that's amplified in this that that my thoughts are not contaminated. The the issue, I think, that I wanna address with this is this is really kind of strange sort of process and decision.

It is one in which there's a quid pro quo. In other words, Apache Junction has people that have suffered from abuse, physical, emotional, sexual, what have you. And the general move is to take those people that are great at risk, greatest need of security, and move them geographically and commonly. That's the exact path. It's quite a distance, and I'm aware where that that facility is for me, I will not portray that in this.

But my point is because the council wants us to be certain that resources that are designated here are for people here, I don't know how we do that and ask for exactly a tabulation. That would be kind of silly if we kind of show the. We can't take your own person because that doesn't meet our trade off. I think there should be

a in this particular circumstance, we could make an exception to that rule because we know that if we get if we send seven or eight people or 20 people out to I mean, they said that they're gonna serve 50 people. If we serve 50 people to to Glendale and they send us 50, it's kind of a quid pro quo going on there. So we're paying for their people, but they're paying for our people. Correct. And I I think there's a I think we can make an exception in that. You know, in most states, I agree with you. If it's if it's being spent in East Mesa or Queen, we we don't wanna deal with it. But these people, there's kind of an exchange, understandably so, because of the nature of the of the issue. I think we can make that exception. K.

The only other issue I had was with the plan, number seven, provided a list of their annual fundraising. They listed fundraising that has been over an average of three years instead of the most recent. And it would be nice to know what was the sum most recently versus the three year average. So that's Tell us whether or it's going up or down. That's the average of what they've gotten over the last three years from fundraisers.

158 and 817. Well, is that is that thousands, or

is that a decimal point? No. It doesn't A thousand.

Does it I can't see. It does

it thousands. Okay. Okay. But but wait. Because above that, they have that agency services range from 77,500 in Canal County Okay. 85,518 in Maricopa County, and 58,619 from Apache Central. Now the mislabeling year was they didn't apply last year.

Yeah. I was sitting there looking. It said they were on the 20, but I'm like, I don't remember that. They weren't here, though. They were the year before.

Yeah. And this is the this is the annotation problem. Yeah. It should have been twenty four dash twenty five, fiscal year 2425. And since it says fiscal year '25, that's what they get. You know, it's a minor thing, but, nonetheless, my my issue isn't so much that, but it's that it would be better to know if this is increasing or decreasing because if it's decreasing, that changes some

of the parameters. Well, we'd also want to my concern would be if if they're allocating some of their funds to three different locations. I would wanna make sure that all the funds we give them go strictly to our location.

I feel the same way. In addition to that, I have more elementary issues with them. They're so big, and we have such a small amount to keep in a packing junction. I'm

We got budget.

I'm I'm kinda concerned that what they're asking for I mean, their their budget is so big. I mean, they're the ones who set off the glossy advertisements and so forth. For me, I'm gonna lean more towards local issues and local places that actually were most of their budget than something that something is so grandiose. It's just they do wonderful work, but but I really that that's a concern of mine. That's really a concern.

Very good question.

Their budget is so huge. That's what yeah. That that they list that. And that And that's where a couple agencies do that. They list the overall mortgage budget. Mhmm. But they don't tell us what proportion of that Right. There. Because it's it's like, is it 20,000,000 or something like that?

I mean, they do great work. But for yes. But for our for our city and our amount that we have to give, I'm you're gonna see. I'm gonna tend to lean more towards our local Apache Junction, the nuts and bolts of what we do and who we are Right. Rather than something as as large as this. Because we're just a small little spec to them. I mean, in in reference to how big their budgets are and and all the things that they do and their budget.

Yeah. So so a crucial part of your part would be that not everybody has to be added to the graphical distance. And so what we need to then know is how many people then are able to be serviced PM, the community of Apache Junction. Now another call somewhere in these applications, they show there's a question about what percentage of their upward budget is the money we give them gonna go to. I'd love to see that. Well, it it here's it's different. I mean, our typical what what they say is

that there are 466

of them will serve through a new rate program. 72, however, that 15%. Mhmm.

But what's there's somewhere there used to be a question on there about what percentage of their budget was coming from us. Yeah. Would be and I'd be curious to see that.

What defines I know the answer. I wanna hear it from experienced people. What defines a not for profit?

So a a not for profit is one that makes the requirement for five zero one c. Okay? And that means that you are not one that has stock values. You're not one that has a a public business in which much of your services are subsidized either by the state, federal government, or other agencies. So you are considered to be nonprofit by virtue of that.

You also have limitations on what your executive staff can receive by virtue of the funds you receive. You can only have so much that goes for that. You can't have capital improvements. In fact, we have an application here that asked for that. We had one a couple years ago where they asked for capital improvement. Well, last year, had somebody else that wanted several capital improvements, but those are just about. You can't do that because it enhances the value of the institution without necessarily the services that are they may indirectly provide some aspect of service, but they don't directly. And that's the issue is they have I don't want

to see three certificates.

Okay. So my The bulk

of their the bulk of their money they raise goes back to the community. It's not

the problem. Yeah. They're not making a business. They're not making no money.

They they have officers

that will make money, like CEO and financial officer and stuff. But for the most part, the bulk of their funds go back out community and services and stuff.

So I just moved up their CEO of the annual sale, and it's $289,000, which

typically yes.

Right here. Michael Hughes has a total reported compensation of about $289,000 from the most recent fiscal year. This figure includes salary and taxable benefits reported to the IRS. This figure reflects compensation to a a new level organization in Arizona, and they said

it was only

to be specific. And it he's not out of state. He's out

of He's state. He's in state. No. I know. I get that. Revealed that as the medical director there, I was intrigued by that and as well with the staff update. So that's a lot

of money for I mean,

it depends it depends on it depends on what the budget is because I think

They're huge.

The general rule is that that, yeah, that that it it could be, like, 10% of the budget. If it's 20,000,000, that's

in that ballpark. Hence why

I said my our bill is a

little 20,000. If they're asking for a stock for me, I'd move on. And even if we do the stocks I I mean, what

they do is fantastic. Oh, it is. So even if we do allocate money, it would probably be after we've reviewed everybody else.

Oh, yes.

Something and then we you know? Because we do wanna support what they do but not at the tune of $20.

Well, then we can also, as part of Yeah. As part of our deliberations, we can also we have to, one, decide who we're gonna give money to, but we can give money to as much amount as we want. And the third thing is we can also decide what program. If they have multiple programs, we can direct that money to a particular program we'd like. So they may not they may get money from us, but they may not get as much as they want. Or where

they want to go. Or exactly where they want it to go. Okay. And that's up to us. And the last issue is we used to have a provision within the application that said, what are your metrics to demonstrate that you have efficacy? And that was an event. Mhmm. And that really is important. So, for example, I'll give you some stats. Okay?

I'll try to get my. Okay. So and let me find this stupid thing with the hand. With sexual abuse, with which of with abuse, physical, sexual, emotional, etcetera, it is common that within six months that reoccurs and at the rate of about fifty percent. Let me find the, you know, page to add that because pretty good all out.

I think it's maybe under nine, but it's only showing about whether or not they have increased knowledge of the community resources as opposed to, like, really what their stats are.

It's even, like, problem again is that people have knowledge about things, but if they don't act upon it so for example, there's there's an agency that applies, and I think that, actually, I have a question about exactly where they are because they are from the Adelphi County. And one of my interactions with Yadavapai County when it was medical broker with patient services and medical grade was that with there's no law. Case law says that if someone has abnormal behavior within a given vicinity, that vicinity is responsible for adjudicating the case and whether or not they need mental health care by a court order. The problem with that was that Northern Arizona, selectively, and that county in particular, was asked by the court to submit a letter of intent. Meaning, after the individual is stabilized, when you give us a letter that says that you will continue cognitive care.

Okay. We never got it. And so what it ended up being was or maybe it's better. Let me just say, rarely got it. Okay. But what that meant is that all of that was sort of not because the person got stabilized, but the reason that they usually compensate is noncompliance for treatment Mhmm. Then that enhances that problem because they don't allow for the continuity of care to be continued by scheduling an appointment, making sure they don't show up, they go look for them, etcetera, etcetera.

Having a team to get to follow-up in, like, the case management or if they're on the SMI team or something like that.

Thank you. Right. Like an app team. Right. That may be there. Right. And so that's now we're getting a little far field. But the real question here is because they haven't hear a person, and I understand people correct. But they say if the person decides that irrespective of what's been revealed about the abuse, that they're gonna be okay there, they allow them to stay. But my question in the case that they presented was the case of. Mhmm. Anybody read it? Okay.

Yeah. Use that same one.

They may have. You know what mean? Some of this stuff is is I've been to you too. Yeah. But my concern was this. Big law obligation to report back to shelf that they could serve with. I don't know if it was.

Pardon me?

Yeah. State law says that you're

Because they are mandated reporters. They don't have to investigate. They have to report.

Correct. They do have to report. But nowhere can we see that they did that. And on top of that, the end result was that father got visitation privileges, which is really interesting. Instead of re instead of reporting the mother to adult protective services, which didn't happen apparently either, the child was removed to some other place, and then the positive.

That brings up a question. Is that something you guys should follow-up on to ask me about that? Well, you'll

be interviewing them next week. Or you'll

be next week. Yeah.

A few weeks from our next meeting in March 9. Yes. Congrats. So all these questions that you guys have, notate them somewhere. The the nonprofits could potentially watch the meeting, and then they might, because some of them do that.

So I know Erica did that last year.

Yeah. He was referred by the.

Well, we both We can. For me? Their their group is so big. He was And, no, the child was. But he was Frank was Frank Frank was actually the other problem with Frank was that Frank was tacitly complicit because he didn't stop it. Fortunately, he did seek help for his son, and then his son got help, but Frank was not willing to intervene beyond that. It's almost as though he was it it's implied that he was pretty passive in this whole process. And that's.

What is your operating budget?

There it is. Domestic violence at twelve months, 50%. Child molestation, six months, 14.7%. Child no treatment, twelve months, nineteen point six percent. Child sexual abuse, twelve months, thirty nine percent. Sexual recidivism, lifetime mixed, forty seven point nine percent. Domestic violence arrests, two year at two years, thirty eight percent.

And they said that they're gonna they're gonna allocate thirteen five for the DB outreach project, and that would impact the flexible funding available for clients in a new leaf, which is to leverage Apache Junction funding for salaries.

So here's yeah. In blue, if I'm reading this

the last sentence. Yep. Yep. If I'm reading this,

it says that 11% of the program participants

will be 11 at that Junction residence. That's one in 10. So I think it's at 17.

Right there, says 11%. Nearly projected 11% of park program will be at Apache Junction residence. Apache Junction, the 20,000 or absolute gross will represent 3% of their total budget. But then down the next line down, it says their request is less than point 5% of their total budget. So there's a discrepancy there. I'd like to see that. I mean, their total budget is 6 just for this project alone is $615,000.

Okay.

That's coming past the next slide. Do we have more questions? That's the next. Next, I think we know our quest alright. CDC is next. Convention to Development Corporation. They're asking for 7,500.

I'm gonna jump on board just in the very beginning and say, I work with them. I've been on the community cleanups. This is an Admiral group. They take care of the intent was for the city code and the people who could not pay or not carry through on the city codes when they're violating that this group would

come in and take care

of things. That's exactly their intent. That's exactly what they do. I'm all about this group. And you can piecemeal little questions here and there, but their intent is Apache Junction strong.

Yeah. Agree. But I'm saying three words. I'm trying to comfortably know about their vocabulary. Then they say I remember that from last time. Yeah. That that that they will improve property value. The property value is at the mercy of economics and other That's true. That's true. Now what they can say is that they mitigate and compromise to property value.

And, actually, what I encourage them to say is they do code remediation. So That is that. Yeah. And the other thing that they did, though, was they do help with issues that create a health hazard. So remember one of the uses that before that was a guy who's the garbage was so caught in the trash and had rats and snakes and clobias and everything in it that it would really help out. Yeah. And it was a help out because some of the trash in the yard probably would lead to tetanus infections and other stuff. Mhmm. So they they really do good stuff. They do great stuff.

My concern is they don't seem to learn from Mother Nature. So they said it here that the ones they aside from See, you can make a difference day. They oh, it is make a difference They said it's in early October.

Well, jeez. It wasn't this year. It wasn't this year. We did it. They changed it they changed it because of the heat.

Correct. And that's why I've only lived in Metro Phoenix since 1960 except for med school. So I know that it gets hot still

in October. I I did the October cleanup. It was hot as Hades, and when they decided to move it, which they did this year, yes. Yes. It was so much more comfortable.

So I'm hoping that they will continue.

I I believe that is the intent from

So they're only asking for 75.

I know. Exactly.

And it's basically a community cleanup? Yeah.

Yes. Pretty impressive. Yeah. They're very impressive. I'd like to give them more. Yeah. And you're gonna see and you're gonna see me you're gonna see me lobby for that. I'm gonna lobby for more.

Did somebody give them that? I know. I know. Did somebody give you a class?

No. I did.

Okay. So the only reason I ask is we can make a simple go to page 11. Look at any parts and recs that they point in

the cost. I'm about to ask.

Yeah. That's $6,419.98. So when you're only asking I know. 7,500, that's almost 90% of their budget. And the other sums add up to more than that.

I don't I I have a

big question mark there. Like, what what that's for?

Yes. Yeah. Maybe they I was kinda hoping that when they come and they speak to us, they can go through those numbers because I when I read them, I was like, that is that is clear as mud.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Alright. That one's fine. Is

right. Alright.

That isn't true. Come on.

We're grateful that Mother Nature provided math in the unity with one time in two years. So but I think you should talk also this more.

I got one question you may know. How long have they been doing this? Twenty years. Twenty years? Yeah.

And I urge you I urge you, if you have time, to go with them when they do the cleanup days. It is so rewarding, and it's so wonderful to see the homeowners. Not this year, but the previous year, I was part of the crew that went from home to home to home, and it was so rewarding. There were quite a few veterans and just I mean,

they were just so grateful.

Well, those are people who are not

They need they're need with all rates. Yeah.

City for noncompliance. Mhmm.

And this is And you get dirty. And Yeah. This is dead.

The names maybe they get they're given the names, but they get them also from the city. Correct. They do. I believe they get code. Yeah. They do. Social compliance. Yep. Yeah. Are they all volunteers?

Okay. Yes. There's way in positions. No. Even the board positions don't hate it. No. No one gets paid. No. No. But one question, and and the response was that, you know, they're they're dues to Chamber? To chamber of commerce less than some of the. But and maybe it maybe it allows them to have insurance.

I think and I think it helps with their partnership too. Okay. Validity. Right. But, again, you know, I'm tired. I'm I'm a be a little bit just here, folks. I mean, you're gonna be lobby hard for What's

their relationship with the chamber of commerce? It could be nothing more than the the leads group.

I think

Which means lots of crazy. Well, I'm out with two of them. So that's $75 a year, and they get a lot of contacts and interaction in that group. So let me give

you your Twitter. I belong to the American Psychiatric Association, that's where I'm a pretty blood fellow. But I paid dues, and I got all the credits and everything else to do that, but that didn't necessarily enhance my practice. That's an organizational affiliation that enhances the field. That's a question we could ask them. How much do they pay for

the chamber? Because $1.95.

$1.95. $1.95. Right.

$1.95? Mhmm. So they're paying for chamber membership Yeah. Which basically gets into the mixtures and gets them in contact with other chamber members, which is actually very donation. Which is actually a good thing.

Mhmm. It's it's a great network. They have a lot of

community partners. I've wanted two groups that did part did do the with the chamber of commerce. So that to me, a $195, that's a worthwhile oh, that's right there in front of me. That's that's a worthwhile expense. I'm I'm I'm my bigger question is more how much what are they paying the AJ Parkside for? Are they paying for use of equipment? They paying for dumpsters? So that's that's my question.

I know. Yeah. It's thousand

8 Okay. And this is a new one. They have not as far as I know, I've heard

about But remember your question about what makes a a five zero one c organization, a charitable organization? Well Yes. This organization is asking for capital improvement.

Okay. So explain to me what that is because I'm looking at, like, tax benefits, like tax assistance.

So They're actually what they asked for is.

Well, I said they said that the windows and stuff. Yep. Okay.

Gotcha. The building. Oh, okay.

Yeah.

Oh, that's kind of a big switch.

Yeah. That's fine. Yeah.

City of Mesa, city of Chandler. They're with the Mesa United Way.

We have grants that they're to get these grants.

Okay. They need for low individuals and families. So but then you're asking for capital improvement. It's always counting the teacher.

Yeah. Oh, yeah.

Like, why come to us?

But they do define they do define some things that are very unwilling to try and deal with youth that each out of pocket system. And even with that literacy programs, we've always supported a difference through holistic case management. Now that's a euphemism. I'm not totally sure what holistic case management is.

Doesn't that refer to having all the different services combined so they can instead of one person working with them, they have everybody working with that as part of that case management track? We would hope. Yeah.

We don't know. We we would hope. I mean, that that's gonna be a definitional issue for them. Okay. Because they're the one that's using the waiver, and we need to find out how they define it.

Yeah. Because when I think about it, I think about medical. Think about education. I think about, you know, their behavioral health. So I think about the person as a whole and whatever issues they have going on and being able to put all the partners at the table. That's what I would assume. But, again, we need to have a definition.

Thank you very much, Annette. You're right. That that's that's what I would assume you saw. Mhmm. But then we have a given skew by virtue of being involved with medical bills like that. So it could be I mean, it could be simply things as much as you have children and foster care. There's a bill in the legislature that I think provided for higher education tuition. Mhmm. Are you aware of that? Because I think they're I think haven't heard that.

Higher education. Yeah. I've and I just learned a while back as I was talking to someone that mister Michael introduced me to. I had thought that that now is only offering college tuition for the time period of COVID. And they do now. We have to we have to submit a FAFSA, which may be a problem in light of certain things.

Well, not really with these days because they do tax preparation. I mean, that's how we're talking about. No. We have to do exactly what it says on the page.

But here here, my question is, they're asking for capital improvements. Is that it?

Right? Because that's What location? Is it Apache Junction? I don't know. Right. Hold on.

I mean, one minute or two.

Sorry. You know I'm gonna be ardent about Apache Junction.

Because I see Mesa Chandler and Gilford multiple times. Apache Junction, gang.

Okay. So the new tax features. Right? Right. I'd like you to turn to the last

page. System. Which is not a bad thing because, you know, we gotta everybody's gotta meet that. Just good. I but I am looking for Apache Junction. Okay. I said, I don't see

the page with all of the figures on it. And the reason I go there is because if you have tax returns, you wanna believe that the person should add. No. Same. Same.

I thought I know. Like, yikes.

Yeah. Yeah. Putting that up. This this adds up. They come in

and put nothing. Yeah. I saw that too. I don't want to do my job. No. And and it says right on that they help seniors and people with disabilities and those with limited English proficiency, who told me that maybe English and adding on the same cap.

No. No. Numeric numerical interpretation. Yeah. Numerology. Mhmm. Actually, it it it's kinda interfering.

So we'll just ask them to explain all that, and it's not a bad thing.

And what percentage of the people you take care of today out are in the Patchy Junction area?

That's really all I care about. Again, our money goes through a patchy junction gang. Period. End of story. It doesn't matter what they do.

If that

money's not

coming to Patchy Junction,

it doesn't it's not even on our board. Yep.

Exactly.

And I would be curious if I pulled this up and did a search for the word Apache Junction and how many times it would come up compared to some of the other cities. And and, again, it says about tax preparation. Is it yeah. Is that something that we already do there that is being addressed? Well, they're getting 210,000 from the IRS in the grant to repair taxes.

That's a projected grant. They may not get it. They've applied for those grants.

That's true. So if if you go check GBT, it says right here, it looks like Azura Vida isn't a stand alone business entity in Apache Junction. No business listing shows up directly for that, but it refers to the program offering through nonprofit initiatives throughout the state of Arizona.

And I'd be curious to see

since they're statewide Maybe they wanna come in to Apache.

What percentage of their money Maybe. What percentage of their people live in Apache Junction, and what's so what percentage of that money is going to Apache Junction? Right. Because I'm with Sandy. I'm pretty hard line on that.

I'm looking to prepare for our seniors, their taxes that live

here. Yeah.

Not everybody else around that.

Yeah. Because funding and sustainability, they they know that they've received funds from the IRS, from Wells Fargo, City of Chandler, City of Cambridge, and individual donors.

I wanna probably fund all of those. Sorry. Think they're pawned everybody. Yeah. From pawned people. So we haven't seen them before. Right? No.

No. There's not it's a new one. No.

Well, there's another couple that are there. Mhmm. Even even an old person. Now

Okay. So we know what we wanna ask them. Mhmm. Oh,

that that was man here.

I thought I thought he's talking about himself.

Yeah. Well, that's all I'm not sure about.

Having trouble finding it. No. No. No. This is a new one.

Oh, yeah.

Y f l. What is that, Steve?

That's a new Boys, Girls

Oh, that's the the football one. Okay.

But but this is the one I have. Yeah. Yeah.

That feeds into the Apache Junction

Is this part of?

No. No. No. This is this is all independent, and and I think it it's kind of on a warrant that they're asking because but what I brought about is this. The the very application says that you will use you will type it. You will have one inch margins. You will vary. This

looks like last minute, Louie came in and, like, oh.

Yeah. Well,

think what it has to do to this out. Today's age, that is a lot of handwritten. It sure is.

It is.

In football. So many years are just typing. They're still talking. That's the one I

But this is the one that's asking for scholarships. Yeah. This is So my question

is if we can use this. Different now. Yeah. This is Six

to 15. Right. So I researched this as well on on April. And what are normal teams composed of with this age group? So at six years old, it's usually about seven. 13 years. At 13, they can go up to 11. So if you want to get 20, I don't understand how they're gonna have to have the ability to to form two teams, minimum.

Well, that's for football and cheer.

And Right. Absolutely. I understand. So if you if you add cheer in there, that subtracts from the football player. Unless they cheer for half of the game and then play the other half.

I'm glad you have that one. In their in their

possible defense or promoting them, looking at taking a look at them rather. It's definitely Apache Junction. Yeah. That would be my that would be my first Apache Junction and the scholarships because it doesn't say exactly Apache Junction, although they're based in Apache Junction. They feed into the high school and to the junior high for their football teams. But it did say scholarships, and it says from the area. So I would wanna make sure, again, if we we did go with something like this, that those scholarships were indeed for Apache Junction kids. Yes. But when I read, there's talked about how they Yeah. It does say draw from other places as well. Okay. Yes. They do. So when we did do that, I would just make sure those scholarships have to go to Apache Junction kids. Yeah.

And Patrick Johnson is surrounding he's done. Yep. So that's right online.

And and what they say is this is for football or cheer in our fall season. So it is simply for a three month period. Yeah.

Yeah. That's because they were adding the extra. Right? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. If I So things let's follow-up with my

kids. Because it covers 16, 16, 13, and we also have cheer. You can't have six year olds playing 13 year olds. That won't work.

I don't I don't know how I don't know how their organization's set up, I mean, frankly.

Could be could be big six year olds.

I I mean, I don't know if they're you know, are they all on the same team? Are they two different teams? It doesn't say.

So If you only have 20 scholarships, that really kind of constricts what it is that you're gonna have funding for. Good question we can ask them. I mean, how many kids how do you divide up with 20? Because you have 20 kids total between cheer, football, four, six. So it probably goes six, nine, and 13.

Age groups? Yeah. Yeah.

That's what I believe you had to know.

Yeah. We we can ask them.

Good questions.

Okay. And how do they

talk to watch the video? Right? Hope they watch it. Yeah.

And how do they determine? Is that, who's doing stuff? Yeah. There's some kind

of Yeah.

I mean, the criteria.

It's really kind of cloudy, and I think that they have implied issues, but I don't think they they really thought it through and defined it. So they say one third of the kids rely on scholarships. Okay. One third of 20 is approximately six. Mhmm.

Well, it said there, one third of our kids rely on scholarships. We're proud to they're further up ahead of that, they said, we would like to ask for 6,000. This would provide 20 scholarships for football this year this year.

And the the legal the league fees paid $47.50 per team per season? Season. And a $150. Is that a lot?

That's a lot. That seems to be a lot.

I mean, there's a couple of.

I know it covers their insurance. That's about it. The insurance is $1.50 a month. Insurance is separate. Other expenses include jersey salads. Yeah. The $47.50 is like a membership fee to their organization. I have an issue with that. That's insane. That's That money's not going to the kids.

It's also not going to the coaches, though, because it says right online that this is a completely 100% non for profit, non salary organization of volunteers who coach and teach the kids. Yeah. But where does that

I did did a little bit of checking, kind of a couple of school board members that they had never heard about this because it said specifically that fed into the tax deduction, high school and junior high, and they are aware of it. So that that I don't I don't know who this person is. I don't know anything about them, but they are aware of it. So they've done good work. They've done good work.

The actual this would be elementary school because they're six to 13. Yeah. So they're gonna be so it's

even They they talk about feeding them into the junior high or high school.

They're They're higher high school. Yeah. Uh-huh.

So this is 20% of their budget. So they have a budget of $3,030,000?

So do five times seven, so that would be approximately 35,000. Okay. That because they did they bought 6,000.

Yeah. So I'm doing six times $530,000.

I saw you some questions for the church.

Okay. Yeah. Okay.

Let's type those questions.

They're they're asking for this, and this is 20%. Where's the other 24,000 coming from? Because they don't

your parents pay them. Right.

Well, they said only a certain percentage of their students get scholarships. So I'm sure there's a the rest of it is

They might do some lunch features, some art washes.

And Harry's probably kicked in a month. She's probably fundraisers.

And how many teams do they have per season? Because if they're paying $47.50, is that the whole league, or is it each individual age group? Is that

a league? That's a great that's

missing Yeah. But that the numbers don't match.

Because it says team it says $47.50 per team

per Right. And so how many teams do they have? Eight teams.

But we get the kids that potentially three. Yeah. That's like a group.

Yeah. They must play other Three, five teams. Mhmm. And that's just $47.50 per per team. They gotta have somebody to play, so they must play other club teams. Yeah. Okay. That's a lot of

Like, for the main Alright. That are not gonna sick if they're not Yeah.

They're gonna be fine. Play. So they have 15 to 30 players per team.

13? Well, they don't need it as they ask. They have 20 total, and

that includes cheer. Yeah. Their numbers aren't the the math ain't happening.

No. It's not. And I just between Yeah.

Yeah. I mean, you look at all the different numbers they put in, and if you lay them out from the errors, their numbers match. I

was seeing an author and saying rushed. That's what I was seeing an author. Yeah. They were rushed because, obviously, they

Well, that's why we did ask him.

He told us that he's very new to this organization. Okay. Took over this. And that's

what we get to

ask him for. Kinda shoot it. Yeah. Yeah. I apologize for the poor thing. He want he actually acknowledges apologies for the poor. I have to give him props. He acknowledged the shortcomings. I can read what

he wrote. I I write lousy. That's good handwriting.

You know, he might have been really trying to beat the deadlines. I gotta give him props for that. That's good. Yep. Yep. I need to. I'm holding too really well. I hope that. We meant to be all parents that are volunteering. I'd like to keep up the street. I would like to ask you a lot of questions.

Okay. On

the boys and girls count? Yes. They're asking for 30,000, and it I think it's kind of what they.

They're asking for 30? Yes.

Yeah. Not apply last time? Did.

Oh, they did. 40 year olds come. Yeah.

Are we allowed to know what we gave

them last year? Oh, yes. Yeah. They listed, I think.

Yeah. Never we no. No. That's for a lot. We never do it. We're so well funded all over the place in the game.

It's catchy junk now.

I always go for zero. So

Sorry. You and I both did.

You and both go for

zero. Yeah.

My problem with the Boys and Girls Club, I think it's a great organization. It's wonderful. I've known kids that have gone through it. My own son went through it for a few years. It's a great program, but they have so much funding. I mean, their annual gala brings in $300,000. Yep. And the problem I have is a lot of that money that they bring in goes to their state, regional, and national, charitable organizations. Oh. So that money is not staying in our community.

Well, the membership is so they get them. Their membership is to think was in the rural club of Arizona is $4,136. Yeah. Okay? So that's it.

So one thing in a nutshell, can somebody summarize what exactly they do? The program? They have a campus. K. And she told us last time most of the kids that they service there are AJ kids, but some like, their parents work here, and so they go after school. And holidays. Right? That they have And holidays. In summer, they have summer a program. Right? I think they wanted it to go

They're legit. That's good. They're just big.

Towards they wanted it to go towards the salary increase, which They did. Is not always a bad thing because we want No. Good good people serving the kids. But And we will enough people Unenough people serving the kids. Remember that. Build those relationships with those kids. What do you think?

But that's that's by definition, but not by what we

By the time the kids get into high school They say that. Even if they don't have to go, they're probably not

The Walter Reed kids they serve are the elementary school level kids. So

they say that that their their goals are to remediate educational deficits and promote citizenship, to promote as well the ability to have appropriate interaction with one another. And It's a safe place for the kids after school. And I mean, right, encouragement, peers. And financial awareness. And I don't know that they measure that.

They I don't know if they pay for granted certain things. But so, for example, I told them about a study that was done with kids that were in a reform school. Nails. And so they divided them into two groups, and they took a soccer ball, and they gave it to a young man. They said, here. Give it to this other young man. Now get it from him. And he left it that nebulous. And all of a sudden, a scrum. Says, okay.

Then they took another kid from the other half group, and they gave him the soccer ball. They said, give your peer the ball. They'll ask him if you can have the ball. What they were trying to demonstrate is you have this idea that you have to use physical force to get you away, but that's not so. You could ask, and they may or may not accommodate it, but you have a good shot that they want.

So that's part of it. They have here as well that you avoid peer pressure. Well, not really. Sometimes you want peer pressure to motivate positive things. You wanna avoid negative peer pressure because that's a real deficit. They talk about

So these are all the things that they want their employees to mentor with the kid. Right? And I wanna see the money go to the mentors, Matt, Marsha, who makes $403,609,000 dollars annually. So I'm all about salaries and people being compensated fairly, but that's a very broad day in aging. Yeah. No teachers are. Right?

I was like, this is big. So But you really children's Yeah. She's the director. Oh, no. No. She's she's no. They list up the director of IRSA, and they have to pay them this amount, but this money goes to the local one. But what

they say is that And we wanna make sure of that.

Yeah. Right. But they say that there was 31. I think

they had 31.

It's national.

So yeah. It's national. Organization. Yeah.

And I think they said there were 31. Here it is. Look. You need your doctors. Little, like, like, maybe. Yeah. But we do a couple of years that have searched more than 20,000 views across 31 locations, including Superstition Mountain Bridge. Well, is this is what I call filler. And it's interesting if they would define, for example, this StarGala, there's $2,000,000 they get from StarGala. Avondale Cup, 100,000, and Connect Brush, a 100,000. So that's 2,200,000. And that's Yes. I think it goes with them.

And with

our Yeah. I go over how much of that. That's the real question I have. Right. I go, how much of this $22,200,000? Not my. And I get One One the budget. Is that what you said?

That's the question I already asked. Well, I think 1% is

what they're asking for. Yeah. 1% the total budget.

6% goes to superstition monthly budget.

How much? 6%? Mhmm. That's a question I always had about their gallop too. They'll bring you $300,000, but it's not for the Apache Jungian boys club. It's for the East Valley Boys And Girls Club.

So out of that East Valley club, how much is really going on?

Down to us. Yeah. And that's I'm with Sandy on that. I'm I'm kinda hard nosed about making sure the money We ask them. Goes

Yep. They couldn't answer. Nope. Nope.

That's a red flag to me.

And I think it's the kids and the people teaching them, the teachers, that should be getting And we want the mentoring. That's right. Yeah. I agree with that. We have a lot

of good questions to ask them again too.

Okay. And and the other thing is we need to know how many people really do progress on a graduation. We didn't claim that. But, historically, we've had in the last year one person.

Yeah. Yeah. I remember that's my situation. Yeah. It tells us

what they do. They have, like, four different pillars as far as, like, what their priority outcomes are. But, again, the efficacy, they're not saying, well, give me, like, a case study or do something that's going to help us do it.

Well, they say that that people report that it improves that. We don't know. I mean, you're you know, you can do that with games, like math stuff. You could do with games and find out whether or not they have some competency with math, subtraction, division, both division, etcetera, but they don't do that. I'm not opposed to the fact that they're a national organization.

No. I belong to I belong to an organization that's got 5,000,000 members across across the world. And but we try to argue with the landscape. Our group is devoted to Apache Junction only. That's what I've great They work. Unbelievable. I see. But I'm I'm concerned about how much of the money they get from other sources and from us goes to our kids in this town.

And they did have an ESU study, but it doesn't see any percentages. Yeah. It's just kinda like, yeah. They did it and yet did better, but 1% better?

So the two so they'll have so this is sort of their interest. Is it 40% of regular attend attendees will improve their reading score by four percentage points? Well

Not a to brag about. That's enough.

I was gonna say that. That could be That could that between five and eighteen? Yeah. Pretty admissible. But if it's over a year, that might not be that more than 40.

What you're saying. Yeah.

I'm not I'm not a minute. Something else. So we'll have to say that again.

So what they said is that, you know, get over that regular candidate is 20% improvement. The reading score, that's by 4%. And is that reading? Pulse and 3%.

Pre and pulse assessments by the school district. They copy and paste. Yeah. So how does that how does that translate? I mean, I would have to know more. Yeah. We know. Yeah.

Good questions. The the question the questioning session will be very interesting. It always is. It was last time. It always is because that's where we get to to really flesh out there. And he's good at asking some really detailed questions.

Requests on the same day? Yeah. Sure. It's long. Do we that's fine. Do we give them a given amount of time? Like, whoop. You get forty five minutes, or is it just whatever it takes for group? Somewhere come with a presentation. Yeah. And then they they guys have that.

Well, we've got a meeting right after that at five.

But we've had years where they have not been able to That's true. So it could not be all eight of them. I just have to see. Mean, it ended up emailing everyone's farm. The

numbers Last year,

We if they didn't show, we Yeah. It's very weak. Questions, questions, and we tried to send it to them in different things, and some responded and some didn't. But I I'm excited to get to the next one. There? Oh, no. One of those. It. Right? Muscle hangry.

So let me start by saying, I since, like, twenty o maybe 2012, I've been doing the Builders Club, which is affiliated with Kiwanis Club. It's in Mesa, and it's a service club at my school. Mhmm. When they get to high school, it's Keith Club and then Kiwanis Club And for so I I have a definite love for Kiwanis Club, but I am kind of having a problem with this presentation. Yes.

What are your What are your concerns?

Okay. So I'm concerned they're asking for some of the stuff that's already been asked for, like Boys and Girls club. I'm not exactly sure what programs. They said special ed students and children from families with and I didn't Identified. Identified. Yeah. So it was a little bit probably more rushed filling it out. I mean, they're they're such a great organization, and everybody's heard of them. They've been around for a long time. I didn't have a lot.

Next time, we will. We'll bring some goodies. I feel really bad. You you don't wanna listen to my. They're only asking for 2,000. Well, wait. No. You're you're. That's 33%? Yeah. And then the yeah. So there's Boys and Girls Club, Stand Up AJ, Salvation Army. I know how much service and volunteering they do, so I'm just trying to find the connection here, what the 2,000 is for exactly. So, I mean, that's

what what's the

difference kinda going into, like, the Boys and Girls Club and doing, like, a certain presentation or program for their kids.

But they should specify. Somewhere in their people, they need to tell us what the money the money that we give them, where would it be going?

And not just where they're going to present it. Like, what exactly? I believe that they go to all of these different events. And so if they're going there, you know, how are they gonna use the aging money? So Because if I didn't know what Keelan new school is, I wouldn't know by this information. Yeah.

Yeah. That

request is 2,000.

I really like the page is cut off a little bit because you got all the way to the end, so I don't know if you're right. You're all cut off. But It is. There's a few words missing. I have the original.

Oh, you're gonna do okay. Yeah. Because because it it said getting families with an ident identified Oh, yeah.

Thank you, I didn't even realize that until, like, infrequently. Yeah. No. No. So it's identified need, and I don't think this is much more. And I mean, because I know, like, the Mesa does the angels. The angel tree. The angel tree. I mean, there are so many things that they've done over the years. They also do the trick or treat, which now it's it used to be the kids that go collect the change and stuff.

Now it's like you do an app or whatever else that you donate to and it the and it's just stuff that even goes global, like, fight new mothers and new babies shots in third third world countries to keep them from getting malaria. I mean, it is huge. And that's a good still.

Kieran says, what services will be provided? Support for STARS program, Stand Up Agege reading program. The Boys and Girls Club, and The Salvation So what is the STARS program?

I'm not sure. In the past, when I put it, it's a reading program. Okay. Maybe with the. And what's stand up? Up BG. You got a booby or something over there? I think he did. It's on Bowling? Yeah. Because I'm in Mesa School District, so but I've heard stand up AJA.

It says all programs are in Apache Junction.

Yeah. Special education students. Them. Special education on the right track.

For your children from families who are good.

So so wait. So they say all programs are that adjunctive at the service area may be easy to help. So you don't know that all your

recipients are. That's a question you got.

Well, they are Kiwanis of Mhmm. And it sounds like they're really small, whereas the Mesa one that I dealt with is kinda big. Let's make sure. Bigger. With with a lot

of these organizations like Kiwanis, Alliance, Rotary, they're part of a national organization and then even a district or regional organization within the local groups. Like like I said, the Lions gives where people 5,000,000 people all over the world, but our particular club that we're just starting is strictly for Jackson Junction, Double Canyon area.

So let me tell you where I stand with this. If you were not here if you were not here, I would totally just disregard. Yeah. I would have disregarded this application. Yeah. Because I don't know I've heard of it. Yeah. But I really don't know what they do. Right. And they are they are not doing a very good job advocating for themselves for the money. Right. And I know $2,000 is not a whole lot of money in the totality of things, but yeah. But right. But I have no idea what they do. I shouldn't have to research what they do to figure out what they're providing to our community.

So that's

Look. Look. Now you give me a quote. Albert Einstein said here. Those that are careless with little facts Yeah. Would not be trusted with logic. A document.

And, Gary said, that's where that's where our questions have to come into play. Yep. Okay. Next time we meet

with them Oh, so you submitted this one.

Yeah. Okay. Next time we meet with them, we have to ask those questions. Okay. What are you know, can you narrow it down? You say here this Hopefully, come and give you a sensation. And and sometimes we have seen sometimes when they're totally unprepared to answer the questions. At other times, when they have the questions right at hand and they clear up a lot of things for us.

So maybe do you wanna just do a quick scan of this? Because

It's because. Yeah. It is not.

The one I

just saw? Yes. No. No. So this tells exactly what they're doing. But here's another funny thing. Sponsored one athlete through AJ Black and Gold football at $250.

One

Yeah. Yeah. One athlete. So I'm just I can be micromanaging. I'm like, so what this other group doing paying $4,000 for me?

But, anyway Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

That was for the whole team. Yeah. So This

is for one athlete. Okay. Yeah. Because in AJ High School, you got fees to pay. You got your athletic fees and stuff. Which one you can check?

Over by Mountain View in Mesa at State Road. State Road. So, yeah, we would not They have just around. And there are fees. Okay. And I emailed this list out. We use we had, like, sent you guys the actual application card, not all the financials, because then it would have to be, like, a security email, and it was a lot, you know, for extra information. I did not realize that was in there. Would've sent that to

you guys because it gives a lot more

Yes. So I'll send that out after. Yes, please. And and I and I do agree. I feel like I can understand that he gets the application for his football team. He's gonna fill it out. But, like, this is a very large organization that's established. They should know better, and I feel like we were sort of an after five year. Like, oh, let's just throw our name in the head for 2,000. Like, they get tipped off that, hey.

We don't have enough apps. Fill one out real quick and send it in on the deadline because you got one hour to do it. Well, I'll send this around because it does it does look a little it kinda might even answer some of these. These are just real quick, all the things that they have been involved in and maybe put some money towards. The rodeo, the lost Dutchman rodeo with the kids day, the Salvation Army volunteer bell ringing, the stars program at high school for spent special ed, the student of the month program giving $25 gift cards to Walmart, school supplies drive, school supplies backpacks, literacy, a bunch of things under literacy, the athlete, the New Leaf domestic walk, pizza at the stand up event, games for the district project today of play at Sunshine Acres, if you haven't heard of that.

Mhmm. They do a lot there. The teddy bear troll teddy bear run.

But where is the money? What's the $6.00 1? They're asking about $2,000. Where is our

$2,000 Yeah.

Where do they plan to spend?

Gonna be spent.

Yeah.

Which one of these programs is this? Is that one They got a lot to choose from. I do

they do they I've heard of the student from student a month or whatever that started.

Oh, I

want them to be

a month. Oh, okay. Yeah.

They I

like the ones. I've I've been to a couple of them years. I've been in. I've got friends at home.

But I'm I'm saying it was such a large group. I was like, Pam, I'm I'm all about.

There's a good group, but I'm concerned. My real question is kinda along Sandy's lines. How is that benefiting the past junction? Right.

And where specific is the money you owe

me? Exactly.

A detailed narrative of the cost explained in our fiscal budget. Are we supposed to rag and hold that and figure out where that is?

We're supposed to envision

And if they were just gonna we're gonna put it towards the backpacks. We're gonna put it towards this. Right. Towards that. Right. I hope they show up. Yeah. Me too.

I hope

they show up.

Abby, I was unable to access the applications on the email. Could you resend those for me for the sixth? I choose you.

You mean Yeah. She said she's would be the worst. It could be, like Which is really possible. Very possible. I had to go to the original survey as well with the tabs.

Well, I got the original email, and it showed the it it it showed the tabs at the bottom. When I clicked it open, it showed the agenda again with the with the, links, and the links did not open.

Oh, okay. Yeah. Because the one that's in this So

if send them that, that'd be appreciated.

Well, Eric says 16 pages.

I I heard you found your sign.

Thank you, Eric.

Okay.

And that's another program I don't know. I'm not.

Mhmm. This is part of what used to be Narva. Northern Arizona.

Okay. So I do okay. Okay? Okay. So because if you

look at all of their contact information Mhmm. Yeah, it's in Prescott. Okay.

Well And they're only asking for 624?

600.

62000.

62000.

Oh, okay. Yeah. For renovation.

But this too is for repairs for our building. This is

a guy at the Capitol. Yeah. And I'm a group of capital war. You put us paying for capital improvements. So then But

I got a problem with this. They used an acronym that I have never encountered before. So let me quote this. A rising star, I would say the current clientele are located in New York Demographic group is LMI, and critically disabled, SMI person. What is LMI? Because we

know what SMI is. Yes. So is an auto. Yeah. It's severe mental illness.

Okay. So what's So L

I that's the first thing I thought of.

So I also was when you said the current clientele are located within the city, does that mean they're residents of the city Yes. Or they come in from somewhere else?

Well, wait. So so so remember what I told you about my problem with with yeah. But I thought Yeah. So they but I think they reveal that. Let me tell you how they reveal it. They are only open from, like, nine to four. I saw them. We did. Yep. And so that means that these are all outpatients. My point is Get a referral. Saying that someone's SMI, and they didn't list the REBA is they get funding from the REBA for providing services. So I feel like they they double do.

And just so you know, we looked it up for LMI. It's low to moderate income.

Low to moderate. Oh, okay. Maybe Oh,

yeah. Yeah. Some TBT. Yeah. Yeah. What is the low to moderate income? Individuals extremely Shit. TBT. Individuals experiencing mental health conditions that are treatable and may not significantly impair daily functioning, as they day only. Anxiety disorders, depression, PTSD, depending on severity, clients may receive outpatient counseling, case management, or medication management. SMI is you're exactly right, Rhonda, is serious mental illness. A clinical designation used in Arizona for individuals with mental illness of state, substantially interferes with major life activities.

And I They're asking for building improvements, so that's not within our realm. Right?

Well, ideally, get they're willing to accept partial funding. For windows. Ideally, $3,000 for windows. I I can't see that. Yeah. And then air conditioning.

Oh, like, I just

I know. Put them aside. The only the only way and this is level of care I absolutely love. The only way I could see capital improvements is if it is a psychosocial rehab clubhouse, and I don't think that's what it is. No.

No. I didn't know. I would agree. It's a site where where they need, and and who knows? Because I they never submitted before, and I don't know whether or not this is a new location for them. But it is interesting that their all of their phone numbers are 928. That's Northern Arizona. Mhmm. Okay? The other is that I have a listing the REBAs.

Okay? And the REBA for up in Northern Arizona is called the the the Northern Geographic Service Area, and it's by CareFirst Health Plan, Arizona. And so they will be receiving funding because they're getting of

Like, Exactly right on here.

It's an access. Yeah. It's an access subsidiary. But there is a little bit capital improvement. That's

not Which

does not fall under Axis

money. Axis well paid.

Oh, so I Yeah. It would have to be like a clubhouse for me to even consider it. And I love psychosocial. I love it. But if it's not something to wear and it kind of says this, is it someplace that they're actually going and where and I think about it more on the DD side, but I know SMI has it too, to where they're actually learning about banking, and they're learning about cooking and things like that.

So would they say repairing the building will ensure it can continue to be a safe place, space to live and receive services in four years.

Live? I thought they weren't living.

Well, thank you. They aren't. They're So I'll So so then I'm duplicitous with Sanctuary because they they don't live there. They come from nine to four, like, only weekdays, maybe not even holidays.

Oh, weekends for that matter.

Well, no weekends at all.

No. But, yes, they're asking for building some new bond. Oh, yeah.

For a program that's not I've been doing that. Move on. Those. Love me. Okay. Okay. Eric.

Find the gate. Eric.

He's asking for 75,000 pretty quickly. Yep. He does.

The food bank? Yeah. That's and you know

what that's got. Okay. So y'all know where I'm gonna come out on this. Jump in. That backpack backpack program, I want that increased. I love that backpack. I want that increased.

And one of the questions I'd like to ask you, in last year, they were in a limited number of schools, but their goal was to expand to all the schools in the area, including some of the charters. I would like to find out how they expand and what do they need to get that expansion all the way through. Because I think that is one of most important programs we have.

There's so many other things that they do. Yeah. Right? That that actual people that are outside of Patchy Junction that come in to the food bank in Apache Junction, but they're from the East Valley, and all well and good. Wonder wonderful, wonderful, wonderful. However, backpack program is for AJ kids. It's for our children, and there was such a huge need on every single campus, whether they're charter, whether they're part of the the AJ school system. There's just such

a need for those children to

be eating on the The Babcock program, when you described it, and I've seen that in action, is really a well needed

They feed those dogs on the weekend. They're fed.

Some of those kids, if they don't

get that backpack on Friday Nope. They don't eat for the whole weekend.

Nope. See you in a And they got 70 last year? Some of the other organizations like Kiwanis.

Well, I don't think they got 70. We don't

have 57 guys. His his he asked for 20 extra thousand last year to pick up two new schools. Yeah. And he picked up, I think, one school, even though he there's two schools

on it. Their goal is to eventually reach all of the Yes. The schools and a patch of junk. Like I said, we may go to some new

But we didn't give him. I did. I did. We didn't give him giving him, like,

$4,040,000. Thousand.

Yeah. We didn't give him the extra bump that he Well, you and

I are so He's saying that he made it up. He has 70,000. He did. $65.30. He did.

He's like, he asked for an extra 20 or something of that money that would go to the

backpack program. Yeah. And that's what we could I mean

Yeah. That's what it's

In our discussions, we can we can dictate that all the money goes to the backpack program.

I would really like I'm glad

it was so easy because I know that the their food bank they're in a network of food banks. So some of them in Apache Junction can go to Mesa. They can go to Chandler. Some from Chandler can come here and use ours. But the backpack program, it's our kids and our schools I tell them. Our city, and that's the ones I'm concerned.

That is that this is my

That's my good concern. My thing. So I I agree. I think they have to worry about kids, but I'm equally concerned because that they revealed in the first meeting. I've seen just an outrageous increase in the volume of cards that are going to pick up this. Yeah.

Well and the thing is if if we give the money Sandy and I'd be on this every year. If we give the money to the FATPAP program, that frees up funds for the other food to

be given to those parents you see lined up in there. Well, the chance. So remember, he missed that there's a federal program that usually got food for elderly. And a lot of

that's been affected. Absolutely. That's that's a problem. Remarkably

and let the legislation improve congress as far as. As a consequence, we have several issues that that are concerning to me. One is that approximately Arizona's population roughly of 7,000,000 people. 2,000,000 people have compromised health care I've heard you have not been able to be on access and or or on the ACA. So we have those. Plus

That has nothing to with sleep apnea.

I mean, that's

Well, I mean, not really.

Family by nothing. Change it, ma'am. Not not really. Well

I'm I'm the only reason why I say

this because I don't disagree with you. But

for for me, I'm not gonna cut his money. I would probably give his organization more money. I just my point is I want the backpack program picked up